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Speaker 1: Those are numbers I don't think I've ever seen, so

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Speaker 1: I need to talk to professional about this. R J Gallows,

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Speaker 1: Senior portfolio manager Federated Hermes Joins US. R J talked

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Speaker 1: to us about this year today performance we've seen in

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Speaker 1: the US corporate bond market really really noteworthy declines. Well,

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Speaker 1: good morning. Noteworthy might be an understatement. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you me, most of your listeners have not seen this

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Speaker 1: kind of performance in fixed income. You know, nine four

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Speaker 1: used to be an infamous year for bond returns. This

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Speaker 1: dwarfs that, um it. It spans across really all the

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Speaker 1: major sectors of fixed income. Uh, you were mentioning, I

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Speaker 1: believe the Bloomberg Investment Grade Corporate Index down thirteen point four.

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Speaker 1: You know, overall the agg of which that's a component,

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Speaker 1: it's down nine seven. Treasuries are down just about nine.

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Speaker 1: Munies are also down comparable amount. Ten percent means a

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Speaker 1: terrible month of May. By the way, I think that

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Speaker 1: the key concern now from an asset manager standpoint is

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Speaker 1: trying to call when do we hit some stability on

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Speaker 1: rates number one UH and number two dealing with what

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Speaker 1: has been and outside redemptions as investors are sort of

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Speaker 1: fleeing the losses they've already taken. And I highlight that

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Speaker 1: just because they've already taken these losses, we are probably

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Speaker 1: closer to the end of the sell off them. We

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Speaker 1: are at the beginning for sure. When you consider that

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Speaker 1: the treasury yields have risen, you know, all across the

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Speaker 1: curve hundred fifty almost hundred eighty basis points UM. We

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Speaker 1: still are short. We think there's another like to go

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Speaker 1: up and yield, but the worst blosses that we've sustained

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Speaker 1: are already probably behind us UM, and we're getting a

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Speaker 1: little bit more optimistic as we start to look forward

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Speaker 1: at this point. First of all, shout out to the

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Speaker 1: i n GO function on the Bloomberg Journal. I end

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Speaker 1: go is so helpful when talking fixed income. It just

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Speaker 1: shows you all the indexes um that you can get.

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Speaker 1: Thank you another well, R. J. Just rattled them all

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Speaker 1: off as well. Um Uh. There was a great story

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Speaker 1: r J by Liz Cappel McCormick and Alice Gledhill. Bonds

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Speaker 1: suddenly looked like a smart hedge again. Um is the headline,

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Speaker 1: and you're saying you expect another leg up in yields.

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Speaker 1: But in a way, I find this so exciting because

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Speaker 1: you know, for so long in my adult life, UM,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get that much yield from bonds, and now

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to see levels that I would be comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm perfectly happy buying UH bond with a

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Speaker 1: five coupon. I mean, that sounds great to me right now.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point. For much of the last ten years,

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Speaker 1: which in a sense we're book ended by the global

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Speaker 1: financial crisis and the pandemic, we had extraordinary economic shocks

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Speaker 1: that were met with extraordinary monetary policy measures that drove

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Speaker 1: yields down and caused price for short and intermedium periods

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Speaker 1: of time to be your source of return. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: direct implication of that is that yields got very low uh,

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Speaker 1: and and they muted the perspective long term return and

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Speaker 1: fixed income. As a result of the measures that were

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Speaker 1: put in place by the central bank facing the economic

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Speaker 1: crisis that I just mentioned. At this point, you know,

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Speaker 1: fortunately the economy is growing. There are many challenges globally,

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Speaker 1: and uh, the inflation story is a very very troubling

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Speaker 1: one to fixed income returns. But now the bonds have

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Speaker 1: repriced higher and yield to incorporate the very hawk ash

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Speaker 1: central bank. Uh, we were getting closer to a period

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Speaker 1: where there might be some symmetry and returns again. You

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Speaker 1: get some income that historically has always boosted your fixed

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Speaker 1: after all, um, and going forward, I think that the

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Speaker 1: fact that we've seen bonds start to behave somewhat more

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Speaker 1: normally where on a risk off day stocks are down, uh,

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Speaker 1: bonds can actually be up again. For a while, They're

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Speaker 1: everything was falling, which was a very adversarial investment climate

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Speaker 1: for traditional diversification, you know, diversified bonds of the stocks.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't working. You know, sixty portfolios weren't working. Um.

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Speaker 1: So now that you've reset yields sharply higher, you're getting

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Speaker 1: I would argue we still think that the tenure Treasury

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Speaker 1: what does that mean, r J, What does that mean

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Speaker 1: for what's the spread usually like to UM investment grade corporate? Well,

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Speaker 1: recession UM in you know, next year or UH certainly

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Speaker 1: the underperformance is probably a better way of saying it,

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Speaker 1: that we've seen now in investment grade corporates are starting

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Speaker 1: to price in that that sort of shift in the

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Speaker 1: fundamental macro outlook. For a while there, we were recovering

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Speaker 1: grade corporates had a really nice total rate of return UH,

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Speaker 1: And now we're living to the flip side of that point.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the last five years the OS

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Speaker 1: We still think that that could get a little higher

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Speaker 1: as rates continue to drive somewhat higher and cause flows out.

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Speaker 1: All right, r J, thank you so much. We appreciate r. J. Gallas,

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Speaker 1: Senior portfolio Manager, Federated at Hermes. What we've all become

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Speaker 1: You know, some challenges out there, and there's no better

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Speaker 1: place to get the latest UH than with Gene Shiroka,

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Speaker 1: the Port of Los Angeles is the busiest container port

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Speaker 1: in North America. Gene, thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: just start with your port. Give us a sense of

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Speaker 1: just an update. Good morning, man and pauled a couple

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Speaker 1: wonder about the morale of the industry, Gene, because you know,

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Speaker 1: the global economy. Do you think that, you know, people

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Speaker 1: You've got dock workers who have been averaging six days

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Speaker 1: no shortage of areas that need to be fixed, improved

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Speaker 1: and we haven't shown any reason to stop just yet.

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Speaker 1: Jane talked to us about what you're seeing in China.

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Speaker 1: you're seeing in terms of exports. Well, a lot has

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Speaker 1: probably use a few more, but they've gone into other sectors,

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks, just you know, economists in general

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Speaker 1: Cha Kazi, managing director, trying to bage book Internet for

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Speaker 1: One of the coolest stories is the Jet Blue hostile

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Speaker 1: What's the deal with this Jet Blue offer? I mean,

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