Speaker 1: Check It down Man. Thursday morning, September nineteenth, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four is the Beating the Book podcast megapod for week
Speaker 1: number three in the National Football League. It's skill Alexander
Speaker 1: hasn't gone well for me weeks one and two predicted
Speaker 1: after a two year just stretch of greatness, and now
Speaker 1: Todd is in the early lead, and I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: hear all about it. Our regular guests are regular staples
Speaker 1: of the show, not guests. They're pillars. Todd wishing up
Speaker 1: afore mentioned Todd wishing them from his mom's cork attic
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, star of the showtime Docuseriies Action, and
Speaker 1: he's five and one out of the gate. How you doing, Todd?
Speaker 2: Why don't you mention that I'm also not paying one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars to park down at the Rivers and that
Speaker 2: because they're not gonna screw me in that because I
Speaker 2: got the card, So I don't care what you ends
Speaker 2: are thinking. You're gonna make me pay one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: just because everyone's going down to act for sure that
Speaker 2: new way.
Speaker 1: Someone asked me to do a yins er accent on
Speaker 1: a numbers game and I completely watched it today, completely
Speaker 1: watched it. It was not good Will Hill, not from his
Speaker 1: mom score attic, but Todd, what what was your comment
Speaker 1: you'd like to make about Will every week? What is
Speaker 1: the thing the story got it?
Speaker 2: We're getting we're getting like one point oh five of
Speaker 2: Willy every week. So we get a little bit more Willy,
Speaker 2: and then a little bit more Willy, and it starts
Speaker 2: to compound and then you look up, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he's filling up the whole face area. So you gotta wonder.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a guy who shouldn't be throwing stones,
Speaker 2: as I have fluctuated over hundred pounds, but you know
Speaker 2: I have a keen eye, and I could tell there's
Speaker 2: more Willy to go around.
Speaker 3: Your keen observation. Keen eye is correct.
Speaker 4: Football season's taking its toll a little bit on the
Speaker 4: on the exercise regime diets.
Speaker 3: I need to tighten it up. I appreciate you pointing
Speaker 3: it out, and.
Speaker 4: Uh, this could be a little psydechics to you just
Speaker 4: point out people that are getting fatter and just you know,
Speaker 4: kind of shame them into losing the weight.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's Will be from the should have
Speaker 1: been more podcast. That's the thing about you, Todd. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're three bills. You just it's outgoing
Speaker 1: with you. You just just shoot at everybody, don't you.
Speaker 2: Because I'm not part of society, and I don't think
Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with being fat unless you ought to
Speaker 2: be healthy. And my friend Willie, he wants to be healthy.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to help the guy out.
Speaker 1: You've lost weight, right, you look thinner than you did
Speaker 1: two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: For really you do. I'm down about eight pounds. I've
Speaker 2: had ten good days and four bad days, and I
Speaker 2: played tennis four five times.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh look at you. You know what that tells me.
Speaker 1: You feel the heat from young Gil on the tennis court,
Speaker 1: and you are ripping your sape yourself into shape. I
Speaker 1: know exactly what's happening. It's over. He knows it's over.
Speaker 1: It's like Ali even one, he won the thriller in Manila,
Speaker 1: but he knew he'd never be as great again. That's
Speaker 1: you right now. I understand ladies and gentlemen are rotating
Speaker 1: guest for the week, kind enough to spend time with us,
Speaker 1: and he's probably like, you know, ten minutes and He's like,
Speaker 1: do I get to talk? It's Adam Chernoff from the
Speaker 1: Simple Handicap app, which comes out how many times a week? Adam?
Speaker 1: How many times you do it? Every day?
Speaker 5: Five five days a week, five.
Speaker 1: Days a week, Monday through Friday, right Monday through Friday,
Speaker 1: no shift, right, yep, Friday, And Todd was just saying
Speaker 1: off air how much he enjoyed it injury reports for
Speaker 1: every team. Adam is also at Right Angle Sports. Uh,
Speaker 1: Stevie Fesick was here. We could have like a complete
Speaker 1: war going on because Stevie has it up. What does
Speaker 1: he happen? It was crawl about Right Angle Todd? What's
Speaker 1: his story? He just hates he.
Speaker 2: Has panties and a bunch in major Yes, Adam, Now.
Speaker 5: No, Well, it gets overblown because everything on Twitter that
Speaker 5: has posted is taken one hundred times more serious than
Speaker 5: if it was said in person, where it's a non factor.
Speaker 5: So it's there's a heel and heal and face like
Speaker 5: wrestling style thing going on here that is maybe taking
Speaker 5: a bit out of proportion.
Speaker 2: That's how he's so much sugar. He's also sugar.
Speaker 1: That's how I introduced him on the podcast two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I said, really nice in person and the biggest asshole
Speaker 1: you'll ever meet on Twitter, Steve, that's the intro. Thank
Speaker 1: you for doing this.
Speaker 5: That is appreciated ninety nine out of one hundred people
Speaker 5: on Twitter. That's reality especially.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know what that is about gambling Twitter
Speaker 1: where everybody has to be that way on Twitter, but
Speaker 1: it just is, how's your season gone so far? First
Speaker 1: two weeks?
Speaker 5: Let's start there, Uh, treading water above water, but treading
Speaker 5: water nothing too. It's been a weird opening two weeks.
Speaker 5: I would say, just a couple things in game not
Speaker 5: expected and just a couple of bad breaks late on
Speaker 5: fourth quarter stuff. So treading water above it, but could
Speaker 5: be better.
Speaker 1: Could be better. You still in Canada, Adam? Is that
Speaker 1: where you're coming to us from? Still in Canada? Yep?
Speaker 5: Still same spot, not going, not going too far between
Speaker 5: now and February. So locked in just south of Vancouver.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a moment where you wanted to move to
Speaker 1: la Am? I am I not remembering that correctly.
Speaker 5: I in twenty twenty two, I desperately tried to and
Speaker 5: it was just one of the hardest things that you
Speaker 5: could ever do, is be a Canadian and get papers
Speaker 5: in the United States. As a person who especially so
Speaker 5: in this industry, in this side of the world, it
Speaker 5: is it is very tough to prove and get the paperwork.
Speaker 5: So it didn't work out. But as in as warm
Speaker 5: of a climate as I can be here in Canada,
Speaker 5: so at least think that.
Speaker 1: Damn Justin Trudeau. My girlfriend is from Toronto and getting
Speaker 1: her back and forth during the pandemic was the worst. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous. Todd wishnev is chomping at the
Speaker 1: bit to give the records for the first two weeks,
Speaker 1: So Todd, please let's have it.
Speaker 2: I don't see me jumping at the bit at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think, you know, it's a reversion
Speaker 2: to the me when you have to do.
Speaker 5: We have the best care record, because this, for me
Speaker 5: is the biggest sweat of the season of any immedia.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. I appreciate Adam so much for this, Like
Speaker 1: he says, he genuinely will DM me afterwards and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm more nervous about my megapod picks than i am
Speaker 1: about every other picks the rest of the year. I
Speaker 1: love that about correct, because it's this guy because he's
Speaker 1: a shamer, is what he is.
Speaker 2: My good friend Gilly, and my good friend Gilly had
Speaker 2: the Texans minus six and a half. They were inside
Speaker 2: the five yard like they're about to go in ball
Speaker 2: and it's a sixth point when and Gilly thinks, what
Speaker 2: we call the oh and three, let's do that one
Speaker 2: more tiko oh and three. And by the way, he
Speaker 2: also had Detroit in his teaser to go to oh
Speaker 2: and two. So mister Gilly, as we predicted, was going
Speaker 2: to have a regression to the mean after his thirty
Speaker 2: eight and fifteen miracle season. He stands at one four
Speaker 2: and one. Oh my god, he might as well just
Speaker 2: tap out right now, and his teasers are oh and
Speaker 2: two Willie, this Thrilly Hill, it was it two and
Speaker 2: one coming in. Had a lackluster one and two. One
Speaker 2: of those bets the Panthers plus six had to make
Speaker 2: him think, hey, who the hell am I three and
Speaker 2: three for Willie? And he goes to zero and two
Speaker 2: in a terrible way on his teaser. When the Philadelphia
Speaker 2: Eagles did some ridiculous crap and lost the games, teezer.
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, no, By the way, my other lost Titans
Speaker 4: plus four was could have just as easily been a win.
Speaker 3: So why didn't you mention that too?
Speaker 5: Oh, there's four terrible beats here.
Speaker 2: Titan's Actually I will agree with him, Titans plus four
Speaker 2: is probably a good good side.
Speaker 3: I just did the.
Speaker 1: Old because of ill advised Billy Levies, who has costed
Speaker 1: himself two games already. That's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, block blocks.
Speaker 2: Nobody cares. I had a ho hum two and one
Speaker 2: to go to five and one. How is that even possible?
Speaker 2: That's like, I don't even know what the percentages. It's
Speaker 2: five and one. I won my teaser as well to
Speaker 2: go to one and one to lead the teasers, and
Speaker 2: Adam Churnoff will represent the guests share today. The guests
Speaker 2: set two, three and one and their teaser record one
Speaker 2: and one as well. So Adam has his work cut
Speaker 2: out for him to bring the guests back into alignment.
Speaker 5: Here we go, There you go.
Speaker 1: That's the attitude. That was a lot of page like
Speaker 1: scrolling for a lot of like not that much information.
Speaker 1: What is all that about?
Speaker 2: Like moving the sho Do we want to talk about
Speaker 2: Sean Payton on size kicking the ball?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's the thing. Sean Payton was absolutely going
Speaker 1: to be the Dumbo of the week until the whole
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni thing happened. Right, do we agree on that
Speaker 1: the Sean Payton thing was he had one time out?
Speaker 1: You think Sean Payton is worse? Okay, Sean Payton had
Speaker 1: one time out left first of all. Before that, before that,
Speaker 1: let me kaya, I wasn't prepared for this. Let me
Speaker 1: let me get the exact detail because I don't want
Speaker 1: to mess it up.
Speaker 3: Kick thee.
Speaker 1: He kicked the field goal at thirteen and nothing, but
Speaker 1: I want to get exactly how much time anyway it was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: It was in the fourth one one down. It was
Speaker 1: about no no, no, no, no, not the first, not the
Speaker 1: first one. The first one wasn't one forty. They were
Speaker 1: down two thirteen and nothing, two touchdowns. He kicks a
Speaker 1: field goal basically to avoid a shutout. It felt like right,
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, they get another field goal. So
Speaker 1: then he kind of like had plausible deniabilities, like you
Speaker 1: see now we only need one. But anyway, down thirteen
Speaker 1: at that point he kicks the original field goal. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we can quibble about that. They get it
Speaker 1: to thirteen to six, they have one time out left
Speaker 1: less than two minutes. I want to say it was
Speaker 1: just over a minute left with one timeout.
Speaker 2: One fifty one fifty four left when he when they
Speaker 2: kicked the field goal, and then the.
Speaker 1: Steelers had they kicked the field goal. Okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, stop to Tod, stop talking, Tot, stop talking
Speaker 1: for a second. So no, but you're not one fifty
Speaker 1: four left right. That's when he had to declare. He
Speaker 1: had to say, I do declare an on side kick,
Speaker 1: and he did not declare an on side kick. They
Speaker 1: just kicked away with one time out left, so they
Speaker 1: ended up as you say, the Steelers then had the
Speaker 1: ball after that, right, and then they ended up the
Speaker 1: Broncos did, with the ball at their own nineteen yard
Speaker 1: line with nine seconds left in the game. That was
Speaker 1: the scenario.
Speaker 5: It sounds so much worse when you say it out
Speaker 5: loud a few days later.
Speaker 1: It's so bad. What was he doing? What's the xbox?
Speaker 2: Also?
Speaker 4: Did you mention too he punted with it was under
Speaker 4: eight minutes left, down ten and he punted on like
Speaker 4: fourth and six or something.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't I didn't mention that.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wait, I'll tell you either. There was there was
Speaker 2: seven seven forty eight to go, they're down thirteen to
Speaker 2: three fourth and eight from the Denver thirty three. They
Speaker 2: decided to punt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, also also.
Speaker 5: Not as egregious as the other three egregious heads.
Speaker 4: No, well, the lead changing the rules and going from
Speaker 4: five quarters to four quarters.
Speaker 3: I think really caught Sean payonof guard this week.
Speaker 1: It's really really it's like when it's like when Todd
Speaker 1: has to come up with his three best bets, He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me see. Wait, so you you Todd believed that
Speaker 1: was worse than Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I obviously I would have liked
Speaker 2: Nick Siriana just line up and do tush push two
Speaker 2: times in a row and that would have been the
Speaker 2: end of that. But but you know, I understand, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's he throws the ball out, It's oh, yes, do
Speaker 2: just catch it? Fine, whatever it's bad. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it's not bad. I'm just saying I don't understand the
Speaker 2: on Science kick thing at all. Can you not do
Speaker 2: the math? How are you going to get the ball?
Speaker 2: The most you're gonna have is fifteen seconds left? How
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even understand what thinking.
Speaker 1: I kind of understand what you're saying, because as bad
Speaker 1: as the Sirianni thing was, and you can't like the
Speaker 1: Sirianni thing, and I get it. There were some people
Speaker 1: on Twitter that were pushing back like it was a
Speaker 1: simple play call. He just should have caught it. You
Speaker 1: just can't allow for that possibility. Right. The win probability
Speaker 1: goes from you're dead too, here's a free get out
Speaker 1: of jail card.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But you're kind of right, I think todd because while
Speaker 1: Sirianni and the Eagles can at least say, well, this
Speaker 1: was the play call and it should have worked, there
Speaker 1: is no response from Sean Payton. Right. There is no
Speaker 1: possible explanation.
Speaker 5: Hold on, let's stop. Is your grievance with Sirianni the
Speaker 5: third or the fourth down call or a combo of both.
Speaker 5: Let's put this in context.
Speaker 1: My grievance with Sirianni was was I went through it
Speaker 1: the other day? Was A was a number of things.
Speaker 1: One he was he was right to decline the off
Speaker 1: side first of all. That was the Atlanta was right
Speaker 1: to try to jump off. Sirianni was right to decline
Speaker 1: the off side when they got to third and three
Speaker 1: at the ten with no timeouts left for Atlanta. My
Speaker 1: problem was you cannot call a pass play there because
Speaker 1: you cannot allow for the possibility of a stoppage of
Speaker 1: the clock. You should run it, you should run it again.
Speaker 1: There's you know, and then people can quibble about, oh, well,
Speaker 1: then you could have passed on fourth down. There's like
Speaker 1: all kinds of other things, but my biggest issue was
Speaker 1: that you cannot pass on third down. And by the way,
Speaker 1: also after that, like the Eagles only needed fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty yards to get in field goal range, you also
Speaker 1: can't throw the ball down field like he did and
Speaker 1: risk that kind of pick also. But the real thing
Speaker 1: was the third down play you, Adam, what was your takeover?
Speaker 5: Well? I pushed back there a little bit because I
Speaker 5: would rather have that play call run to win the
Speaker 5: game than to set yourself up to defend the clock.
Speaker 5: And I think pregame ninety nine out of one hundred
Speaker 5: Eagles fans, player staff, whatever you want to put it on,
Speaker 5: you said there was a wide open pass to Barkley
Speaker 5: on a third and three to win the game. Do
Speaker 5: you want that as the option? I don't think anybody
Speaker 5: is saying no. To that and the.
Speaker 2: Most drops also, he has a million he does in
Speaker 2: that spot.
Speaker 5: I mean, Atlanta had nine guys at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 5: and so I don't even if it was a run play,
Speaker 5: it's a dead run play there's and that was his
Speaker 5: defense after the game, He's like, they've been junking up
Speaker 5: the middle and they weren't gaining anything on that third
Speaker 5: down run play. Wait, there's a wide open play for
Speaker 5: Barkley in the flat to win the game. I don't
Speaker 5: think that's a I think the fourth field goal was
Speaker 5: that disaster.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, that's the part I left. The
Speaker 1: fourth down field goal was also a disaster because, as
Speaker 1: we talked about it, lets it then forces Atlanta to
Speaker 1: have to go for the touchdown as opposed to changing
Speaker 1: the calculus for the field goal. Right, that's what you
Speaker 1: were say, Will.
Speaker 5: But I also liked it. If you don't get it
Speaker 5: on fourth and you're defending up three, the way you
Speaker 5: defend up three in that scenario is much different than
Speaker 5: the way you defend up six in the spot that
Speaker 5: they were. I think in that it makes it a
Speaker 5: lot more straightforward for what you want to do. And
Speaker 5: we saw the Eagles caught in between. That field goal
Speaker 5: was a disaster. I don't hate the third one hundred
Speaker 5: pall in the same way I don't hate what Shane
Speaker 5: Stiken did on fourth and two week eighteen last year
Speaker 5: against the Texans, which was a similar play call but
Speaker 5: to the other side, putting everybody on the spot trying
Speaker 5: to bring that up. But that game against Houston passed
Speaker 5: a two minute warning where they were driving and they
Speaker 5: elected to throw the backup running back. I mean, you
Speaker 5: got the exact look you wanted to win the game.
Speaker 5: Both guys dropped it, So to me, that's I don't
Speaker 5: hate that, but I hate the fourth down decision.
Speaker 1: We agree completely on the fourth down decision to get
Speaker 1: the field goal, not to give a villa as I
Speaker 1: went through when I went through it on a clip
Speaker 1: on Twitter on a Numbers game, I completely agree with
Speaker 1: you about the fourth down field goal. You should never
Speaker 1: have kick the field goal there. We're going to disagree
Speaker 1: on the third because everything you're saying is right right.
Speaker 1: It was a play they had it. The nine guys
Speaker 1: up stacked up top. They are the inventors and the
Speaker 1: perfectors of the tushbush, the tuflest pushes. We like to
Speaker 1: call it here on the show, they were gaining five
Speaker 1: point five yards a clip on the ground, Jalen Hurst
Speaker 1: was gaining six point five yards a clip. I am
Speaker 1: not letting the defense nine guys are not dictating to
Speaker 1: me a sequence of plays that could put the game
Speaker 1: out of reach by clock. The clock is the most
Speaker 1: important thing at that point and the risk reward assessment
Speaker 1: of that drop. And this is not armchair quarterbacking. After
Speaker 1: the fact, when it happened, I was I could not
Speaker 1: believe that they did that. I couldn't. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: in my mind that they would do it. But I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. At the same time, I can't
Speaker 1: believe they did it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I have another question to push back on the
Speaker 5: spot here. The Eagles on the second drive of the
Speaker 5: game were third and four at the Atlanta eight. Should
Speaker 5: should he be criticized for not running the touch push
Speaker 5: twice in that scenario because he didn't? Yes, and they
Speaker 5: ended up saying he fells that on him as well.
Speaker 5: Process wise.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, are you talking about the one where they
Speaker 1: went for it on fourth down?
Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
Speaker 1: Instead they should have just kicked the field goal.
Speaker 5: They went past past late first quarter inside the Atlanta ten,
Speaker 5: third and four, fourth and four. Didn't get it right.
Speaker 5: They kicked the field Is that criticizable as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should have kicked the field goal there not
Speaker 1: for the reasons you're trying to get me to say,
Speaker 1: it's uncriticizable. They should have kicked. Wow, we should just
Speaker 1: kick the point. We're not going No, we're not going
Speaker 1: both ways. No, we're not going both ways. That's the
Speaker 1: first quarter of a game where just take the points.
Speaker 1: Don't be allergic to field goals. This was a scenario
Speaker 1: with win probability, where the only thing that matters is
Speaker 1: the clock to end this game. I completely view those
Speaker 1: two things as differently.
Speaker 4: I did less three verse fourth and third and four
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 5: But they're gaining five and a half on the ground
Speaker 5: every time they give the ball to the running back
Speaker 5: to Hurtz, So for four yards two plays seems easy.
Speaker 1: If you're If you're trying to get me to say
Speaker 1: that the that you must behave the same way in
Speaker 1: a fourth quarter clinching scenario versus a zero zero game
Speaker 1: where you can just take three points. I disagree with
Speaker 1: the premise. I don't think it's the same thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can apply those things the same way.
Speaker 5: So he should have. You're saying you should have kicked
Speaker 5: on the second drive of the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah he should.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he didn't take that. I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't believe. I couldn't believe he didn't take the points. Then,
Speaker 1: I don't these teams that are allergic to field goals
Speaker 1: and a zero zero game. I mean, it's four yards.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's fourth and four at that point.
Speaker 1: It's not the third and four thinking push push twice.
Speaker 1: They didn't toush push on the third down, So it's
Speaker 1: not the same scenario. It's fourth and four at that
Speaker 1: point in the first quarter. It's different. It's it's not
Speaker 1: the same thing. I disagree with the line. I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't have the numbers, and I wish I did.
Speaker 5: There's one hundred people, including yourself, that are smarter for
Speaker 5: me on this, but I just I'm curious how to
Speaker 5: me the like, the end of game stuff always gets
Speaker 5: magnified a hundred times more than what happens earlier in
Speaker 5: the game, despite it often being similar down and distance
Speaker 5: and play calling structures. And I just sometimes I think
Speaker 5: that gets in a similar way to Dan Campbell last
Speaker 5: year in the NFC Championship. It was the later calls
Speaker 5: that got him, but it was something that was done
Speaker 5: for the majority of the season behind them, and then
Speaker 5: it was like that one gets blown up because of it.
Speaker 5: I understand what you're trying to say, but to an extent.
Speaker 1: No, I understand what you're trying to say. But that
Speaker 1: fourth quarter scenario, it's the the clock can end it
Speaker 1: kind of scenario that doesn't apply to the first quarter thing.
Speaker 1: You're right saying, like it started third and four as
Speaker 1: the same scenario, but everything else is different that claw
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: What else could have ended it? Though a first down
Speaker 5: on Saquon Barkley catching the football would have ended the game.
Speaker 1: Too, right, But we all agree that a dropped pass
Speaker 1: is far more likely in that scenario than say, a
Speaker 1: fumble on a run. Right, So you're opening yourself up
Speaker 1: to a get out of jail free card possibility that
Speaker 1: wouldn't otherwise exist, And that, to me is the key point.
Speaker 1: You have them done, but just to give them life,
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. You can't. To me, that's the
Speaker 1: risk reward assessment. It's not armchair quarterbacking after he dropped it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe they even tried it because of that assessment,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I disagree with the premise that it's
Speaker 1: the same thing as the first quarter thing. We can
Speaker 1: argue about this for a day.
Speaker 5: Okay, So a fair way to put this in context
Speaker 5: and wrap it would be that they should have ran
Speaker 5: the ball on third down and then throwing it on
Speaker 5: fourth if they didn't gain anything to try and get
Speaker 5: the first down, rather than kicking the field goal.
Speaker 1: That fair to say they should have. They should have
Speaker 1: run on third down and reassessed depending on how many
Speaker 1: yards they got on third down, Right, Like I think it's.
Speaker 5: The field goal should have never been an option ever.
Speaker 1: Never Ever, I agree with you on that. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: else do we Todd? Did you have an in game
Speaker 1: scenario you wanted to talk about it?
Speaker 2: Yes? I do. The whole point was Adam though Sean
Speaker 2: Payton needs to on site to kick the ball. That
Speaker 2: was me.
Speaker 5: There's no, it didn't happen. It's indefensible.
Speaker 1: No, I do I actually understand you're you're thinking there, Todd,
Speaker 1: which is there is no defense for the Sean Payton
Speaker 1: one right to me?
Speaker 2: I don't see it unless he thinks he can block
Speaker 2: u pun on fourth down more than he can on
Speaker 2: side kick it. But I don't see it anyways. Will's
Speaker 2: gained another two pounds in the in the meantime.
Speaker 3: So that's not funny feelings.
Speaker 2: It's not funny brutal.
Speaker 5: So one last comment on the Seohn Payton thing. I
Speaker 5: was not born in nineteen eighty eight, that is when
Speaker 5: he was first coaching, so it's not like he's been
Speaker 5: around forever and he still makes that gaff. How do
Speaker 5: you get to that point, after nearly forty years of
Speaker 5: doing this, that you're in that scenario. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: That's why I said. That's why I said, Adam, I
Speaker 2: texted him. I said something that fishy is going on,
Speaker 2: because there's no way Peyton doesn't know that if he
Speaker 2: does this, he's going to have no time out left.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how to explain that. There's no
Speaker 2: explanation of a forty year NFL coach who won the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl not being able to understand there's gonna be
Speaker 2: no time left when he gets the goddamn ball back.
Speaker 2: So I just to me, it's the dumbest thing I've
Speaker 2: ever heard in my life. I just can't even believe
Speaker 2: it happened.
Speaker 5: And it's not even like a point differential keeping like
Speaker 5: making it look better, because even if you don't get
Speaker 5: the onside kicked or just kneeling it out anyway. So
Speaker 5: I don't know what the lodger like, they weren't trying
Speaker 5: to score. If they don't get it, I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Is it possible he just lost his fastball? Like players
Speaker 4: just get older, and like he's looking now, he's sixty.
Speaker 4: It's not like he's ancient, but players get old and
Speaker 4: aren't good anymore. Is it possible he's just old and
Speaker 4: not good anymore?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Listen, this is not in your fastballs. Losing directions to
Speaker 5: the stadium and driving with the wrong city kickoff.
Speaker 1: That's me, I say on the radio side, I say
Speaker 1: all the time I go. The two biggest lies. I said,
Speaker 1: there's only one bigger lie in sports that Ega is
Speaker 1: only a clay court tennis player. Right, that's the biggest
Speaker 1: lion sports two. Sean Payton being a quarterback whisperer.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think everything about Sean Payton, this reputation that he
Speaker 1: has as being this great coach is all one big lie.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees came to him as a finished product. I
Speaker 1: only had a shoulder injury in San Diego, but he
Speaker 1: was like a great free agent quarterback acquisition. I will
Speaker 1: hang up and wait to see how many other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: Drew Brees has had success with the answer is zero, nobody,
Speaker 1: And somehow he has this reputation as this great quarterback.
Speaker 1: Whisper is the word I use, is the word I
Speaker 1: hear all the time. Bo Nick, good luck whispering him
Speaker 1: up by the way. And then that thing, what you
Speaker 1: what will was talking about? I remember, I'm old enough
Speaker 1: to remember Joe Gibbs two point zero what is shacks
Speaker 1: line thirty nine twenty nine? Joe Gibbs two point oh
Speaker 1: was not Joe Gibbs one point oh, like he had
Speaker 1: lost his fast.
Speaker 2: Joe gibbsonew not to on sites kicked in that scenario.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: But there were times where Greg Williams, as the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: had to explain to him a couple of things like
Speaker 1: he couldn't like call time out twice in a row
Speaker 1: on a kick or some shit right like. So there
Speaker 1: was some stuff. So I think will Is will might
Speaker 1: be onto something too.
Speaker 3: One last thing was taking two.
Speaker 4: I don't understand why he put this sort of pressure
Speaker 4: on Nicks, on himself. I mean, he talked a big
Speaker 4: game about Nicks, like, oh, the draft combine blew us away.
Speaker 4: He built him up like he was going to be
Speaker 4: this next, you know, big time quarterback. He again, maybe
Speaker 4: he had his reasons, but wouldn't you just sort of
Speaker 4: slow play it. Hey, he's coming along nicely. We'll see
Speaker 4: we see things like I mean, you can you can
Speaker 4: compliment him without putting all this U sure where now
Speaker 4: people are kind of mocking him, and rightfully so where
Speaker 4: you built him into I'll just wait, wait till you
Speaker 4: see how good this kid is.
Speaker 3: And I remember Tod mcsha.
Speaker 4: I think it was said he talked like thirteen different
Speaker 4: scouts NFL people, and not one.
Speaker 3: Of them had a first round great on bo Nick.
Speaker 4: So there were some arrogance with this pick, and there
Speaker 4: were some arrogance since they picked him, you know, in.
Speaker 3: Terms of how this was handled.
Speaker 1: Well, he's kind of the example, Oh sorry, Gil, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, I think he was in
Speaker 5: a weird spot where it was such a blunder with Russ,
Speaker 5: and he pushed to get him out of there so
Speaker 5: much that he kind of had to take his his
Speaker 5: stance and to why they were backing him to give
Speaker 5: some sort of like optics and some hope around that.
Speaker 5: But I do think that league wide, just with head
Speaker 5: coaching tenures becoming so short cycled, I think we're seeing
Speaker 5: a lot of coaches take a stand with a quarterback
Speaker 5: that they're attached to to lead them to success, to
Speaker 5: almost justify their job and extend it. And like it
Speaker 5: gets back to the point with Breeze and Peyton or
Speaker 5: even Brady and Belichick, where I think we're starting to
Speaker 5: see that the quarterback perhaps had a little bit more
Speaker 5: impact than the coach maybe did. And so that's maybe
Speaker 5: why we're starting to see all of these coaches around
Speaker 5: the league just stand up for this younger quarterback or
Speaker 5: the guy they bring in to almost justify their job
Speaker 5: in a weird way. I think that's which of a
Speaker 5: new dynamic building, which.
Speaker 1: Is why Joe Jacksonson Gibbs is the greatest NFL head
Speaker 1: coach has ever lived. The thisman Williams rippon three Super
Speaker 1: Bowls and also about that.
Speaker 2: Arry Bonds was a better NFL coach. I was going
Speaker 2: to make a box. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton came in job crushing Nathaniel Hackett in a
Speaker 1: way that coaching fraternity, that the coaching fraternity dictates you
Speaker 1: never do to another coach. He was an asshole to Hackett.
Speaker 1: He was further an asshole to Russell Wilson, who deserved
Speaker 1: for forever forever bad Russell Wilson has become deserved more
Speaker 1: fucking respect. Excuse my French right. And Sean Payton, by
Speaker 1: the way, was a was an nineteen eighty seven scab
Speaker 1: that has somehow gotten washed away in history. Also, like,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that hasn't statement. So there's all these different things.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not like, I'm not the
Speaker 1: guy who like goes crazy about nineteen eighty seven scabs,
Speaker 1: but the NFL fraternity usually does, or did for a while,
Speaker 1: hate on those people who broke the picket line at
Speaker 1: that point in nineteen eighty seven, and Peyton was one
Speaker 1: of those guys. So like, I don't understand why he
Speaker 1: is whole he is held in this massive reverence. Good
Speaker 1: for you, you won a Super Bowl with Drew Brees Mazotov.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you, but everything you've done since
Speaker 1: is suspect, both on and off the field.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Sorry, okay, anyways, can I give you one? I
Speaker 2: had a delicious in game that I that I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about that I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: would help them. Towards the end of game, Cincinnati is
Speaker 2: playing the Kansas City Chiefs. It's Cincinnati's ball, first down
Speaker 2: at their own sixteen with seven minutes left, and they're
Speaker 2: leading twenty five to twenty three. So now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: If you're just watching the game, you have to be
Speaker 2: looking at the apps, because the apps are like a
Speaker 2: player two ahead of what's going on. And I immediately
Speaker 2: look up my app and I see it's third down
Speaker 2: and four at the Cincinnati twenty two with about five
Speaker 2: forty five to go. Now, so at that point, they
Speaker 2: have the total at fifty three and a half, which
Speaker 2: is five and a half more points. A touchdown beats you,
Speaker 2: but if it's just going to be a field goal
Speaker 2: or nothing, you're going to win the under, right, So
Speaker 2: at that point I took under fifty three and a
Speaker 2: half right before that third down and four play with
Speaker 2: five and a half to go, reason being if Cincinnati
Speaker 2: gets the first down. It's now first and ten for Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: somewhere around their own thirty issue right, and there's only
Speaker 2: five minutes left. They're going to try to grind out
Speaker 2: the clock and win the game like that. Okay, if
Speaker 2: they don't get it, then they kick the ball to
Speaker 2: Kansas City who's down twenty five twenty three. And Kansas
Speaker 2: City gets the ball with about five minutes to go,
Speaker 2: they may try to grind it down and just kick
Speaker 2: a field goal to win it like that. So anyways,
Speaker 2: what ended up happening was the best case scenario. Cincinnati
Speaker 2: got another first down or two punted the ball. By
Speaker 2: the time the Kansas City gets it back, there's like
Speaker 2: two forty five to go, and I'm probably gonna win
Speaker 2: for sure because Kansas City, if they get in field
Speaker 2: goal range, they're just gonna kick the field goal to
Speaker 2: win it twenty six to twenty five, which is exactly
Speaker 2: what happened. But to me, the risk reward there of
Speaker 2: avoiding a touchdown in that scenario is gigantic because there's
Speaker 2: very little cases for touchdowns there. Nobody wants to get
Speaker 2: a touchdown, you know, Cincinnati just wants to get more
Speaker 2: first downs and they've got a huge long field in
Speaker 2: front of them to try to do it. And then
Speaker 2: if Kansasity's gonna get the ball back, they don't want
Speaker 2: to get a touchdown. They want to grind the clock
Speaker 2: down and kick the field goal to win the game.
Speaker 2: So to me, I thought that was one of the
Speaker 2: best end gamers that I've had in a long time,
Speaker 2: in the sense that you know, understanding what the teams
Speaker 2: are trying to accomplish it toward the end of the game.
Speaker 1: Nice smarty pants, you are a good podcast.
Speaker 3: I'll see you guys next week. This was fun.
Speaker 1: No, that was a good one. I am by the way,
Speaker 1: were you and all? This has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: your end game, but but the result of that game.
Speaker 1: You know, the amazing stat of the NFL field goal
Speaker 1: kickers are thirty five of thirty nine on field goals
Speaker 1: of fifty plus yards this year and Justin Tucker's oh
Speaker 1: win two. So there really thirty five and thirty seven
Speaker 1: outside of what we believe is the best kicker in
Speaker 1: the NFL and Justin Tucker. We'll see if that's the case.
Speaker 1: Were you amazed?
Speaker 5: How about that? Was Don gil yes over over three
Speaker 5: and a half field goals the game props typically plus
Speaker 5: one point fifteen. It is twenty seven and five.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, oh man edible twenty seven and five.
Speaker 3: Because you have Tea betting at Adam. Are they catching
Speaker 3: up at all or no?
Speaker 5: So I tried to round Robin All sixteen last week
Speaker 5: and it was tough to get down and get it around.
Speaker 5: But there's been a full effort into doing so and
Speaker 5: it's been very good. But these primetime games where it's
Speaker 5: pretty wide open and you get all the alternates has
Speaker 5: been has been excellent so far. So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it's partially obviously, kickers are way better than
Speaker 5: they ever have been before. But like you think about
Speaker 5: you think about five years. Five years ago, the average
Speaker 5: starting field position was the twenty two. You need it
Speaker 5: realistically four third down or four first downs to get
Speaker 5: into range. Now teams are starting at the thirty. But
Speaker 5: you're getting longer attempts than ever before. I mean, you
Speaker 5: get the ball now and you're twenty one, twenty two
Speaker 5: yards away from a realistic attempt. It's never happened before.
Speaker 5: And we're seeing like all the defensive changes, a lot
Speaker 5: more shell defense, keeping everything in front. It's harder to
Speaker 5: get downfield, but teams are just allowing teams to get
Speaker 5: across midfield like they're it's not super aggressive. Off of
Speaker 5: these early plays, they tightened up in the red zone.
Speaker 5: Seen crazy high rates of field.
Speaker 2: Goals the Jets games over three and a half plus
Speaker 2: one oh eight, So I guess they haven't really been
Speaker 2: moving him yet.
Speaker 5: No, it's I feel it's been very consistent. It's usually
Speaker 5: like if there's a lower total game like this, it'll
Speaker 5: be in that plus one oh five plus one ten
Speaker 5: and then it'll kind of linger around in that. So
Speaker 5: it's it's been very consistent so far.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, at the end of that
Speaker 1: Kansas City Cincinnati game, were you as amazed as as
Speaker 1: I was about the nonchalance with which the Chiefs were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just kick a fifty one yard or to win it,
Speaker 1: like it was an extra.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not even a thing anymore. It really isn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were treating like it was an old school
Speaker 4: extra point, like they were at the two yard line.
Speaker 3: It was like, it's still fifty plus yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, problem, It's just it was like, yeah, we'll just
Speaker 1: kick it, and Bucker bisected the uprights like it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Even which was That's why they have to move the
Speaker 2: goalposts in and make it more exciting, because I don't
Speaker 2: find it at all. When you get to the thirty
Speaker 2: eight yard line and you kick a fifty five yard
Speaker 2: field goal, it's just stupid. I don't even like it.
Speaker 5: You know what the answer is, Todd, You put a
Speaker 5: so you have the goal posts, right, you have the crossbar.
Speaker 5: You put a top post across so it becomes a square.
Speaker 1: Oh look at you.
Speaker 3: There you go. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: But I don't like that. I like that. I like
Speaker 2: the field goal post moved in.
Speaker 5: Your head just exploded.
Speaker 2: I saw you processed interesting idea. It is interesting. Don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong. I still would rather have like the
Speaker 2: posts moved in, because then you don't lose the whole
Speaker 2: idea of football, doesn't become like a silly thing like
Speaker 2: four point shots in NBA or something.
Speaker 3: If you want to go.
Speaker 2: To post ball type on some of those posts, no not,
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be arena ball type. But I'm
Speaker 2: sure they could figure out exactly how far they have
Speaker 2: to move them in to make a fifty five yard
Speaker 2: field goal. Now like a forty percent play as opposed
Speaker 2: to a seventy percent play. I don't like a seventy
Speaker 2: percent Do you guys like it? Do you guys like
Speaker 2: enjoy watching fifty five yard field goals be a seventy
Speaker 2: percent play? I can't stand for Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5: Great, but.
Speaker 2: Forget about the props for a second, just for the
Speaker 2: aesthetic of the game. To me, I think you need
Speaker 2: to be the defense. How is the defense going to
Speaker 2: stop people from getting the thirty eight yard Linde? It's
Speaker 2: getting ridiculous? Can the defense get something? My god, you
Speaker 2: know it's I don't you know.
Speaker 1: Larry David's suggestion is to this. He was on Rich
Speaker 1: Eisen Show and he and he was allowed. He's like,
Speaker 1: what would suggestions? What would you change? He says, get
Speaker 1: rid of the goalposts, get rid of the goalpost, like
Speaker 1: get no field goal kicking, just get rid of it.
Speaker 1: Because he in his brain right, He's like, what does
Speaker 1: that have to anything to do with football anyway?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Which is which is a pretty amusing point. And then
Speaker 1: his second one was give me a couple of years
Speaker 1: to decide about punters too, Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want punters anymore either. So it's like I mean
Speaker 1: it's different. That's just the turn off box theory is
Speaker 1: there is what we're going with the other one.
Speaker 3: I played the game forever with.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, if we played the game forever
Speaker 4: with no kickers and no punters, nobody would be sitting
Speaker 4: here saying we need kickers and punters. But because it's
Speaker 4: always been that way, it's just it's the way it is.
Speaker 4: I will say, I don't know what you guys think.
Speaker 4: It doesn't bother my. You know, enjoyment of the game
Speaker 4: one thing. Watching every minute of these games the last
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, thing that bothers me way more. And
Speaker 4: this was bad Sunday night Texans bears the flags. It
Speaker 4: just seems like you've been out of control.
Speaker 5: I love a good I love a good unnecessary roughness
Speaker 5: flag in my game. I like it that that spike
Speaker 5: of Jalen Hurts when he spiked the football. Imagine if
Speaker 5: you're a young kid watching that and you see that
Speaker 5: violent act on the field of him spiking the football
Speaker 5: after a first down, what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: By the way, And I hope people get that. I
Speaker 1: hope people understand.
Speaker 5: People did not get.
Speaker 3: Well actually shot at Adam and sent it to Gil
Speaker 3: the other day.
Speaker 2: That was funny, alkins. Guy was shooting into the stands,
Speaker 2: and then you guys all correctly told me that you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to shoot. You know, I allowed to pretend shooting.
Speaker 2: But then somebody said, well what if he was shooting
Speaker 2: T shirts into the stands. It's like, oh, now we're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna like have the refs figure out what
Speaker 2: the celebration is. It's like, come on, that was to
Speaker 2: me at it whatever? Just no more, fIF.
Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about Thursday night? Is it one of
Speaker 1: your best bets at all? Does anybody have a best
Speaker 1: bet on tonight's game?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I kind of want to. And I know Adam's
Speaker 1: gonna hate me because I think I know where Adam
Speaker 1: stands on this game tonight. But I think I want
Speaker 1: to make the Patriots my third. I didn't think me
Speaker 1: and Adam would be at odds on all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but I think I think I want to make the
Speaker 1: Patriots my third. But it's six now, it's not six
Speaker 1: and a half, right.
Speaker 2: I have six?
Speaker 5: It is six flats?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I keep I keep losing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's mattered twice already to me, on this podcast a
Speaker 1: half point. I am going to make it my number three.
Speaker 1: I just think low total. Six points. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill myself after this, but six points. I
Speaker 1: think again, the Patriots are run heavy. There was a
Speaker 1: stat about by the way, I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a very ugly game tonight. That's my feeling. But Patriots
Speaker 1: have used six or more offensive linemen twenty six plays
Speaker 1: this season. They've run it on twenty five of them.
Speaker 1: Perssett gets pressured at forty four percent. That's the second
Speaker 1: highest rate in the league. Jets have generated the highest pressure,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna run. They have a couple offensive linemen
Speaker 1: out on the left side, but the Jets also have
Speaker 1: a bevy of injuries on the defensive side. Jermaine Johnson
Speaker 1: is hurt like you. Foto is hurt. Hassan Redick is
Speaker 1: not there. CJ. Moseley is a game time decision. And
Speaker 1: I just think Rogers so far with the short passing
Speaker 1: games averaging five point four yard air yards downfield, third
Speaker 1: lowest among quarterbacks. Both teams have like top ten punt rate.
Speaker 1: New England's third, New York is seventh. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's going to be low scoring, and if you're
Speaker 1: giving me six points with that clock and that total,
Speaker 1: I just I'll take the points and live with it.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a fun bet or a fun watch,
Speaker 1: but I'll happily take the points in this ball game. Adam,
Speaker 1: tell me why.
Speaker 5: I do think we see a different version of the
Speaker 5: Jets offense tonight. I think if Seattle's offense last week
Speaker 5: in Foxbrow was any indication of how teams want to
Speaker 5: approach them, because I don't. I mean, Gino throwing the
Speaker 5: football forty four times last week was just wild to me.
Speaker 5: And so the Jets have not been able to run
Speaker 5: at all. And I just wonder if this becomes a
Speaker 5: bigger Rogers game. They don't really want him to be
Speaker 5: like a thirty plus attempt guy he might be tonight.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine the drama tonight if it was to
Speaker 4: zero to two Jets versus the two and oh Patriots,
Speaker 4: which we weren't that far away from him, like Salama, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we really were.
Speaker 1: This is awesome.
Speaker 5: This is I mean last year Week one was a
Speaker 5: massive home game for the Jets that obviously ended in
Speaker 5: it ended in celebration, but that was masked by just
Speaker 5: terror and doom for the rest of the season. But
Speaker 5: this is probably the biggest Jets home game since the
Speaker 5: decker end zone catch against the Pats in twenty fifteen
Speaker 5: late in the season, probably, if I had to put
Speaker 5: my spot on it, so like that that crowd last
Speaker 5: year Week one was as ridiculous of a Jets crowd
Speaker 5: as there's been in forever. To me, this is a
Speaker 5: big game for New York.
Speaker 1: You are a Jets fan, correct, Adam, Now that I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about.
Speaker 5: It, yes, I am. It's it's been a long, long,
Speaker 5: long life of stuff.
Speaker 1: Front Runner. Yeah, I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with you. Like what did the
Speaker 2: Patriots do in the first two weeks of the season
Speaker 2: to make people think that it's not a If they
Speaker 2: had Jakobe Weressett starting and just doing game management, they
Speaker 2: could win six, seven, eight games. They were hanging right
Speaker 2: in the game with Cincinnati and got a couple of
Speaker 2: breaks and won it, And they hung right in the
Speaker 2: game with Seattle. Are the Jets that good? The Jets
Speaker 2: got smoked the first week and last week, I mean
Speaker 2: they didn't look that good. They wanted they'd beat Tennessee
Speaker 2: and they had a block pun I mean, give me
Speaker 2: a break. Why are that we all of a sudden
Speaker 2: so convinced that the Jets are such a great team
Speaker 2: they can just win by margin over teams that are
Speaker 2: trying to grind it out. I don't see it. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't want the Jets.
Speaker 1: It is I mean, it is worth saying that it
Speaker 1: is the ultimate. Perhaps I'm being fooled by recency bias
Speaker 1: play too, right, because if we go back two weeks,
Speaker 1: we were all I'll speak for everybody, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: there were exceptions to this. We all thought the Patriots
Speaker 1: were going to be by far the worst team in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and we all thought the Jets were going
Speaker 1: to be one of the best and their defense was
Speaker 1: going to be infallible. So two weeks ago this looked
Speaker 1: like a Survivor play for this, By the way, the
Speaker 1: Jets are getting picked in Survivor, and I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of precarious, Like I don't know, so there is
Speaker 1: that right, Like I'm two is two weeks of football
Speaker 1: enough for me to be convinced of this? And apparently
Speaker 1: it has been one.
Speaker 3: Last quick thing.
Speaker 4: Adam, I'm curious what you think, do you think the
Speaker 4: Reddick deal gets done? Doesn't it seem like Reddick has
Speaker 4: more leverage now or before he was kind of thought
Speaker 4: as a luxury and now they kind of need him,
Speaker 4: and whatever he wants money wise, maybe you give it
Speaker 4: to him now.
Speaker 5: I don't know. The way that this has been botched
Speaker 5: from day one is baffling to me. And now it's
Speaker 5: you lose Johnson, who was seven and a half sack
Speaker 5: guy last year, who was going to be the guy
Speaker 5: that was benefiting from this egos down there's no outside
Speaker 5: pass run. McDonald is coming along, but asking him to
Speaker 5: be the main pass rush guy for the whole season
Speaker 5: is crazy to me. And so the fact they somehow
Speaker 5: didn't find the way to make this work and the
Speaker 5: fact that both sides seem to have lost from this.
Speaker 5: I mean, ho for Philly against Atlanta was doing nothing.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of it at all,
Speaker 5: but it's I don't know if it's too far gone
Speaker 5: at this point or what to make of it, but
Speaker 5: the outside pass rush is a problem.
Speaker 1: Shall we start with the other best bets? Adam you're
Speaker 1: number one, SA we start with you.
Speaker 5: Well, we just picked on Sean Payton for about half
Speaker 5: an hour, but I'll take the six and a half.
Speaker 5: She'll make for good podcast listing on the road to
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay. I look at who Denver's played the first
Speaker 5: two weeks. It was just no rookie quarterback is going
Speaker 5: into Looman to take on Mike McDonald, one of the
Speaker 5: best defensive minds and doing anything, and Bo Nixon and
Speaker 5: the Broncos did not. Week two. Who does he get?
Speaker 5: He gets Pittsburgh Steelers coming in, who just look like
Speaker 5: an absolute top three defense at both levels, and so
Speaker 5: just a hillacious first two weeks for Nix and the Broncos.
Speaker 5: They weirdly kind of moved it decent last week against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: Now they go into Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers very likely
Speaker 5: without Vita b they have Kanci still missing on the
Speaker 5: d line, They're down Winfield Junior, their best safety down
Speaker 5: multiple corners. This to me is is the best spot
Speaker 5: by far that Denver has had to move the football.
Speaker 5: And now Tampa Bay's laying near a touchdown here at
Speaker 5: six and a half. I just think it's too big
Speaker 5: a number. So it's an ugly dog. We just bashed
Speaker 5: them in for a long time. And I think that's
Speaker 5: part of the sentiment why this number has been adjusted
Speaker 5: out two points. So I'll take six and a half
Speaker 5: with Denver.
Speaker 2: On the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had considered Tampa Bay as a possible survivor pick,
Speaker 1: but I can't play them. The too many injuries, too
Speaker 1: many injuries and there is Yeah, yeah, h Toddy, you're first, sir.
Speaker 1: Those cards are those cards stuck in the cork?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What are those greetings cards? What are those back there?
Speaker 1: Post its notes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Different, different stuff. My dad used to put up
Speaker 2: there and nobody ever took them down. Anyways. The Jaguars,
Speaker 2: I'm going to take an ugly Jaguars. What do I get? Five? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, Stevie. Stevie says, I'm an idiot. Stevie says,
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. I don't care. Jaggs plus five against
Speaker 2: the Bills. Okay, So here's what we saw from the Bills.
Speaker 2: The Bills didn't really wow me on defense against the
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals, and they won the game in a high
Speaker 2: scoring ballgame with their offense. Of course, we know what
Speaker 2: it is, you know, if in doubt, Josh pulls it
Speaker 2: down and gets the first down and then the second
Speaker 2: game is almost like a throwaway game to me because
Speaker 2: Tua gets injured and it just changes the whole complexion
Speaker 2: of Granted, they played well, but you know, they also
Speaker 2: won the game by a zillion. I love going against
Speaker 2: teams that win by a zillion, and the Jaguars to me,
Speaker 2: they should have won the first game. At the end
Speaker 2: blew my third quarterback by fooling at the two yard line,
Speaker 2: which was just unheard of, and then of course Tyree
Speaker 2: Kill gets Ady R touchdown. To me, they could have
Speaker 2: won that game. They should have won that game, And
Speaker 2: then last week they could have won the game. I
Speaker 2: don't think they played better than the Browns, but the
Speaker 2: Browns are a good team. You know, throw out what
Speaker 2: happened to Cowboys Week one, who knows what that was
Speaker 2: all about. I think the Browns are still going to
Speaker 2: be good, and I think that the Jaguars are not
Speaker 2: as bad as everyone thinks they are, and the Bills
Speaker 2: are not a team that you can trust to win
Speaker 2: by a huge amount. By the way, didn't these teams
Speaker 2: also play in a London game last year if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, and Jaguars won. Am I right? I believe
Speaker 2: the Jaguars won. There was like crazy touchdowns at the
Speaker 2: end if I remember correctly. But I like the Jags here.
Speaker 2: You know, look if when you're zero and two in
Speaker 2: the NFL, you better get your ducks in a row
Speaker 2: and you get to go against a team that's two
Speaker 2: and zero, cut fat and happy. After the Miami game,
Speaker 2: Stevie will tell me what they got so many days
Speaker 2: to prepare. You're an idiot, Okay, fine, Stevie, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 2: I'll take Jags plus five.
Speaker 1: He's not even here, He's not even saying anything here.
Speaker 1: You are so angry at him, by the way, Jacksonville
Speaker 1: twenty five, Buffalo twenty Last year, it was the result
Speaker 1: was that London? Yeah, I guess it was London, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: will Willy, what do you like? U?
Speaker 3: Chargers? Steelers under thirty six?
Speaker 4: I think there's enough thirty six is to give it
Speaker 4: to me, right, I'm kind of split between thirty five
Speaker 4: and a half and thirty six.
Speaker 2: I see enough. What do you guys see.
Speaker 3: Six?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty six thirty six sir, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna keep riding these Steelers unders until they
Speaker 3: buck me. I just think the Steelers are a dead nut.
Speaker 2: Under team.
Speaker 4: It's a little like Iowa football of the past decade,
Speaker 4: where uh, they're just gonna play ball control. They're gonna
Speaker 4: punt fourth and two, fourth and three. They're gonna be
Speaker 4: very conservative. They're gonna take their field goals, their quarterback runs.
Speaker 4: They like to run Chargers the same sort of thing
Speaker 4: where hardball is an old school coach. I think seventeen
Speaker 4: points probably wins this game. Chargers don't have a lot
Speaker 4: of explosiveness on offense. The uh you know, the Charger
Speaker 4: weapons are certainly not what they used to be. I
Speaker 4: think they've played okay defensively. Now, look they've played the
Speaker 4: Raiders in the Panther, so who knows, But to me,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep playing these Steelers under So Steelers
Speaker 4: Chargers under thirty six, Well.
Speaker 2: Yen's I considered the fact that Rivers is charging eighty
Speaker 2: dollars to self park and one hundred dollars for Valet,
Speaker 2: and that now that's a lot to park. And Yen's
Speaker 2: gotta think if people are paying that much to park,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be yelling Ladder and that probably is gonna
Speaker 2: confuse Herbert and then it could be lead to even
Speaker 2: more of an under, maybe you should do an under
Speaker 2: twenty eight and a half in that what is speaking
Speaker 2: of unders?
Speaker 4: I have under eight and a half wins for the Steelers.
Speaker 4: They went too and oh to start two and oh
Speaker 4: on the road and we're still eight and a half,
Speaker 4: which is very strange.
Speaker 5: Hold on what is rivers.
Speaker 2: River's Casino is next door to the Akroscher Stadium for
Speaker 2: the football games, so it goes there's PNCP.
Speaker 5: You have to pay one hundred and twenty dollars to
Speaker 5: park there.
Speaker 2: It's on a Steeler game day, not pirate games, Steeler
Speaker 2: game Day or pitt game day. They're now charging one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars for valet and eighty dollars for self park
Speaker 2: unless you have a card, and they send you these
Speaker 2: emails saying on September twenty first, if you show your card,
Speaker 2: you could get in for free. So I always do that,
Speaker 2: but it's it's absolutely like unbelievable that people actually pay it.
Speaker 5: They that's why.
Speaker 1: They have the Eli Holstein fever in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Todd Yep, oh my god, you should. I think I
Speaker 2: sent you guys a video of what the book looked
Speaker 2: like when the when pitt got the last touchdown at
Speaker 2: the end. People were going absolutely bonkers, and that was
Speaker 2: my friend went to the game. He said it was
Speaker 2: It was just an insane scene down there because there
Speaker 2: was Watch Virginia fans, Pitt fans. It was like a
Speaker 2: whole craziness.
Speaker 4: By the way, we're giving a hard time with that
Speaker 4: was a good pick by him.
Speaker 1: Yes, please don't say that. That was a doctor Bob
Speaker 1: pick that Pheesick magically came up with as.
Speaker 2: One of his aggregated it. He aggregated it.
Speaker 3: They were both on it, and they were both on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're both on it. I have hosting at
Speaker 1: a thousand into one to win the Heisman. Let's go baby.
Speaker 1: By the way, he hasn't claimed his judaism yet, so downgrade. Okay,
Speaker 1: I only do one here because I already gave one right.
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, you do you do one here?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I do? Can? I? I think I can do
Speaker 1: this right because I'm not doing it in a correlated
Speaker 1: parlay or anything. I want the under in tonight's game too.
Speaker 1: Have we ever had that happen before? Two picks on
Speaker 1: the Thursday night that I am going for it under
Speaker 1: thirty same reasoning as before I just think it's a
Speaker 1: run heavy game for the Patriots because that's all they got.
Speaker 1: I do think that the injuries makes it a little
Speaker 1: muddy because I don't exactly know how that plays out
Speaker 1: a little bit on both sides of the ball. But
Speaker 1: I think they'll grind. I think Remandre will do his thing,
Speaker 1: and I think I don't know until I see Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers throw the ball downfield, maybe the Jets will grind
Speaker 1: his well, grind meaning you know, just sort of.
Speaker 2: Wait, truly, do you hear that? Really? Can you hear that?
Speaker 2: I hear it. They're thirty seven to three is the
Speaker 2: score of Andre Stevens, and in the backfield twenty two
Speaker 2: seconds to play, were set back the past looking looking
Speaker 2: did he get it? Yes?
Speaker 4: He did?
Speaker 2: Final score thirty seven dead. Oh my god, that's gotta hurt. Gilly.
Speaker 1: You botched it because thirty seven to three I already
Speaker 1: would have lost.
Speaker 2: Oh I messed it up. I'm sorry. Thirty one three. Sorry,
Speaker 2: great happening, like what's the drama?
Speaker 1: But good effort there on that. So we go back
Speaker 1: to Will with snaked.
Speaker 4: And I am going to go back to the Tennessee
Speaker 4: Titans laying two against the Packers. I don't buy this
Speaker 4: idea that Jordan Love is going to start the Vikings
Speaker 4: on deck next week. By the way, our buddy Fez
Speaker 4: gave out in our group chat here, Fez getting a
Speaker 4: lot of airtime here minus two and a half next
Speaker 4: week against the Vikings with the idea that they're going
Speaker 4: to save Love for next week. I buy that you
Speaker 4: stole a win with Will. There's no reason to force him.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Tennessee Titans. It's it's not like this
Speaker 4: is a tiebreaker game for the conference or the division.
Speaker 4: And I just don't think you can pull off this
Speaker 4: wing t offense on the road, now that there's film
Speaker 4: on it. The Colts were completely unprepared last week. I mean,
Speaker 4: we all knew they were just gonna line up and
Speaker 4: run the ball. I guess we all knew, except the Colts.
Speaker 4: The Titans defense, to me, has been one of the
Speaker 4: more underrated units. I thought, like we were talked about earlier,
Speaker 4: that was a bad beat.
Speaker 2: If you had the.
Speaker 3: Titans plus four last week, it was a bad beat.
Speaker 3: If you have the Titans plus.
Speaker 4: Four the week before, a desperate zero and two team,
Speaker 4: a pretty good defense, a quarterback who I don't think
Speaker 4: is really, you know, on the level of an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 4: I think the Titans find a way to win this game.
Speaker 4: I'm okay laying the two with.
Speaker 2: The Titans is two? What you guys have to.
Speaker 1: Let's see here, will Will's trying to snake a half
Speaker 1: a point? Office? Is that what's happening?
Speaker 2: I see two and a half, but maybe wrong.
Speaker 3: I see a lot of twos.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of two and a half's, but
Speaker 1: I also see pinnacle. Pinnacle just went to a pick them,
Speaker 1: is am am? I seeing that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's too that's fine, I'll take the pick them. That's
Speaker 3: okay too.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying I don't know what they're.
Speaker 3: Doing two and a half.
Speaker 1: It is two and a half. May you lose on
Speaker 1: a half point? May you? May you lose on a
Speaker 1: hook like I do every week.
Speaker 3: Oh that's really nice.
Speaker 2: Thanks, You're We're welcome. He's got to try to get
Speaker 2: back in it.
Speaker 1: I gotta get back in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: By the way, Willie, have you taken into effect. Tennessee
Speaker 2: is going to get a punt block for a touchdown
Speaker 2: because that's part of their game plan.
Speaker 1: Have you also taken into account that ill advised Billy
Speaker 1: Levey's will try to flick the ball out of bounds
Speaker 1: and I'll go back for a pick.
Speaker 4: Six two weeks by the way, Oh, well.
Speaker 5: He's who is now that will? I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I'm looking mar I think you can keep him. Get
Speaker 2: Duck Hodges. Get Duck Hodges.
Speaker 3: Wasn't bad that the last quarter of the season for
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh wasn't terrible.
Speaker 5: No, he was like, you're right, he's very good.
Speaker 2: No, Billy, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, toddam no expect for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, for my second pick, I'm going to do
Speaker 2: something a yiinsers not to pace to do, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to go to Cleveland Brownies. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've ever heard about this club, the mistake by the Rike.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the Browns minus the six and
Speaker 2: a half. Why am I doing this? You ask, Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, I don't think the Giants can play
Speaker 2: offensive football. Now you're gonna say, but they scored three
Speaker 2: touchdowns to last week against the Redskins. Uh, the Redskins
Speaker 2: are not playing Grade A, B, C, D, E F
Speaker 2: G defense. That is not a real defense at the
Speaker 2: NFL level. I'm sorry. You know that is not for real.
Speaker 2: So it just be because the Giants got three touchdowns
Speaker 2: against the Redskins doesn't, in my mind, mean that they
Speaker 2: can score against Cleveland. I think they're going to be
Speaker 2: lucky to get thirteen points here, and if they're only
Speaker 2: going to get thirteen, I need twenty to win. So
Speaker 2: twenty to thirteen Cleveland. I think Cleveland is not as
Speaker 2: bad as they looked against Dallas. I think that was
Speaker 2: just an abnormality, so maybe the offensive line problems. And
Speaker 2: then last week they came back to what they are,
Speaker 2: which is a grinded out football team, win the close
Speaker 2: ones like they did against the Jaguars, and now they're
Speaker 2: playing against a team that doesn't even have an offense.
Speaker 2: So let's not be fooled by the Giants playing against
Speaker 2: the substandard Washington football club. I'm going with Cleveland minus
Speaker 2: six and a half.
Speaker 1: To your point, Todd's Skins are giving up six point
Speaker 1: two yards per play on defense. Six points.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: I'm told that's say.
Speaker 5: They played Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: That's correct now, by the way, or the Giants gonna
Speaker 2: have a ticker.
Speaker 1: Well, one would assume with a week that the Giants
Speaker 1: would have a kicker. Let me not assume, though, Let's
Speaker 1: find out real quick. Graham Gano's a hamstring injury and
Speaker 1: warm ups was the only reason why Washington won that game.
Speaker 1: The Giants did, in fact, sign veteran kicker Greg Joseph
Speaker 1: off the Detroit Lions practice squad and placed Graham Ganot
Speaker 1: on IR two days ago. So there you go. They
Speaker 1: have addressed it with Greg Joseph because that's why. Because
Speaker 1: they tried a extra point their first touchdown. That whole
Speaker 1: game was Skins went up three, Giants would leapfrog them
Speaker 1: with a six. The first time they got the six,
Speaker 1: they tried the punter Jamie Gillen to kick the extra point.
Speaker 1: That didn't work, and then the Skins would get two
Speaker 1: field goals. They'd go back up three. Giants would score
Speaker 1: a touchdown, they'd go for two, they'd fail. Every time
Speaker 1: Skins would go back up three with two field goals
Speaker 1: they got six, they'd fail the two point. That was
Speaker 1: the whole game. And then finally at eighteen eighteen, the
Speaker 1: Giants had fourth and four. If they have Graham know
Speaker 1: they kick a field goal. They went for it, and
Speaker 1: I went off my league neighbor's hands.
Speaker 2: And then, by the way, that's why I played Washington.
Speaker 2: I played Washington at eighteen eighteen. When the Giants had
Speaker 2: the ball. You could have the you could have the
Speaker 2: Redskins plus two and a half minus one oh five,
Speaker 2: And I wanted the two and a half because I
Speaker 2: thought maybe we could have a tie with no field goals.
Speaker 2: I figured, you having a field goal kicker there has
Speaker 2: to be worth a zillion points in that scenario for
Speaker 2: that exact reason, because they haven't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's why I took the Redskins there.
Speaker 1: But anyways, a zillion is act a zillion What it
Speaker 1: came out to him, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Imagine an offense targeting their best player on a short
Speaker 5: pass on fourth and short. Who can imagine.
Speaker 1: Circling back, ladies and gentlemen circling did that? See what
Speaker 1: he did there? Very clever? All right, Adam?
Speaker 3: You get to thinking, was it Casino or good Fellows?
Speaker 4: When he tells them to shine the shoes out again
Speaker 4: after it dies down, get your shine.
Speaker 1: Box up, all right?
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 2: Flips the table.
Speaker 5: I'm putting the guest seat in really trusted hands here
Speaker 5: After going with bo Nicks in game number one. Let's
Speaker 5: go with Caleb Williams in game number two. I'll take
Speaker 5: the Bears. We'll say plus one and a half on
Speaker 5: the road, maybe even go plus one. I'll leave that
Speaker 5: up to the officials. Stenographer a little.
Speaker 2: To what do you guys see I see it too,
Speaker 2: what do you guys see the two?
Speaker 5: I'd be curious between one and a half or one.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 5: I mean he's gonna need everything. Kind of a similar
Speaker 5: scenario like Week one. Tennessee to me is a very
Speaker 5: kind of sneaky underrated defense, very good D line, very
Speaker 5: good group of D tackles, And so that was a
Speaker 5: bit of a tough intro for Williams, not as tough
Speaker 5: as what he faced on Sunday Night Football going into Houston,
Speaker 5: where Qbs are just going to get beat up and
Speaker 5: struggle every single time that they go into Houston to
Speaker 5: play that Texans defense, and so tough. Two games. Now,
Speaker 5: it's a drop off where Eberphilis goes back to Indy
Speaker 5: his old team. It's a defensive scheme and Gus Bradley
Speaker 5: that just lost to Forrest Buckner. You're down, Juju, Brent's
Speaker 5: your best corner other guys are banged up, but Gus
Speaker 5: Bradley's cover three. He never changes, everything's predictable. This just
Speaker 5: feels like an offense where Williams can actually breathe a
Speaker 5: little bit in the pocket and do something offensively. So
Speaker 5: to me, the Bears a little bit underrated because of that.
Speaker 5: Coming in getting one and a half here on the road,
Speaker 5: I will take the points there.
Speaker 1: Two things. One, Gus Bradley really didn't see that Malik
Speaker 1: Willis running game coming did He was like totally caught Aba.
Speaker 5: He never changes. He does the same thing every snap,
Speaker 5: every game and never waivers. It's wild.
Speaker 1: And Todd. I had an audio note from I should
Speaker 1: have told you this before the podcast. It was asked
Speaker 1: that if you feel a sneeze or a cough coming on,
Speaker 1: to try to sneeze away from your microphone. That was
Speaker 1: the note I got from last week. So it just happened.
Speaker 1: So it just reminded me of that. See Todd does
Speaker 1: this thing now when it's against him, then he keeps
Speaker 1: silent and so it acts like I'm thee instead of
Speaker 1: just going with it. I hate when he does that.
Speaker 1: It looks silent treatment not saying ord all right, anyway. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, before you get to the other one, Adam,
Speaker 1: and this is moree.
Speaker 5: Th the street crossing the road.
Speaker 1: Did you all see the C. J. Stroud Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: interaction for the game?
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 1: What did we think about that? Adam? What did you say?
Speaker 4: I didn't like it from Caleb Williams. It looked he
Speaker 4: was very dismissive. I thought it was, Uh, it was rude.
Speaker 4: Stroud went out of his way for for people that
Speaker 4: didn't see it. Hey man, you can't take those hits.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be a great player, but just be careful.
Speaker 4: It was very I guess if you're Caleb Williams, you're
Speaker 4: not in the mood after lost to hear some counseling.
Speaker 4: But Stroud his heart was in the right place. He's
Speaker 4: trying to help them, and Caleb Williams was very dismissive.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a bad look.
Speaker 5: Has Stroud done enoughing been in the league long enough
Speaker 5: to be in that position doing that exactly?
Speaker 1: By my question? That's my question. It was one of
Speaker 1: the times, but pretty much people were pretty much split
Speaker 1: down the middle on this, and I think both guys
Speaker 1: were a little off right, Like I think I agree
Speaker 1: with you if you're is that, if that's what you're
Speaker 1: insinuating Adam, which is c J. Stroud as great as
Speaker 1: he is, and he is great, and he's probably top five,
Speaker 1: but you still have only been in the league for
Speaker 1: one year? Do you do you? Is it still your place?
Speaker 1: You're not Tom Brady to go to the guy basically
Speaker 1: your age and say that, but you're right, And then
Speaker 1: Caleb was like, Caleb was not having whatever.
Speaker 5: I totally, but this is not the first time from Caleb.
Speaker 5: We've seen some weird body language antics in similar there's something, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know something. It's just I thought. He was like,
Speaker 5: but I agree with media, I don't know what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What? What do you think it is?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Because some people, a lot of
Speaker 1: people go as far as it's the painted fingernails. Some
Speaker 1: people go to remember that US game where he cried
Speaker 1: on his mom's shoulder that bothers them about him the prepants.
Speaker 1: He has not worn the prepants to our knowledge, he
Speaker 1: has not worth the prepands yet, so it's always game.
Speaker 5: Press are calling those joggers now they thought from what
Speaker 5: I understand.
Speaker 2: Look, you could call it whatever you want. But if
Speaker 2: you're the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins
Speaker 2: go to TJ Max and get regular sweatpants.
Speaker 5: He's got his thing going on there. It's not too bad,
Speaker 5: not too bad.
Speaker 1: But do you agree with me that that it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where if they're all of a sudden
Speaker 1: bad let's just say they go one in five, that
Speaker 1: all the NFL neanderthal types are will be quick to
Speaker 1: turn on him because of the nerdiness.
Speaker 5: Why if already could be just in the draft, yeah,
Speaker 5: well and well yeah, go ahead, Well sorry.
Speaker 4: They already have the tweets in the drafts just waiting
Speaker 4: to hit send when they go one and four, one five,
Speaker 4: they've already typed out.
Speaker 2: They just hit this.
Speaker 1: But it's like a bet in the bet slip. They're
Speaker 1: just ready to bunch on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And part of this could be that we're all
Speaker 5: just getting a little bit older and we're detached from
Speaker 5: younger guys coming into the league and how things are different.
Speaker 5: I played golf a few weeks ago with a kid
Speaker 5: that was seventeen, and it was like we were from
Speaker 5: different planets.
Speaker 1: And oh, I'm not saying there. And I agree with
Speaker 1: you about that. But I'm not saying I'm bothered, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the NFL ultra machismo type.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's got to be the most uncomfortable thing ever.
Speaker 5: Especially I think it could even be worse if he
Speaker 5: turns out to be really, really good and they have
Speaker 5: to go ten twenty years more with that. That but
Speaker 5: that's really going to get.
Speaker 2: I'd love it if paid these nails, though, serious question.
Speaker 4: If he painted his nails and after the game he's
Speaker 4: coughing into the microphone, how would you look at him
Speaker 4: exactly sneezing, coughing anything.
Speaker 1: If he hit the annoying two team parlay on that,
Speaker 1: how would it go? Yeah, all right, Adam, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: your last one.
Speaker 5: I'm I'll go for the I was gonna go with
Speaker 5: a total, but let's keep it consistent with the sides,
Speaker 5: and let's go.
Speaker 2: You you're allowed to go. You're allowed to go with
Speaker 2: the total, Adam, Adam, You're totally allowed.
Speaker 5: No, I know, but I don't want to go. I
Speaker 5: don't want to go same game on that. So I'll
Speaker 5: go Washington plus seven and a half on Monday Night
Speaker 5: football at Cincinnati. I'll take the points there. That is
Speaker 5: another rookie quarterback coming in. But I watched the Bengals
Speaker 5: defense full game Week one, full game Week two. That
Speaker 5: is a serious problem, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 5: being discussed enough or priced in enough. We see the
Speaker 5: total leak a little bit here, but this Bengals team
Speaker 5: laying more than the touchdown with that defense, I don't
Speaker 5: think it's a good situation to be in all season.
Speaker 5: And they have a big issue up front on the
Speaker 5: d line stopping the run, but now it's going to
Speaker 5: be even bigger because Hill and Rankins are both on
Speaker 5: the injury report, have the potential to miss. But the
Speaker 5: safety situations a big mess as well. And so I
Speaker 5: actually I don't hate what I'm seeing from Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 5: I wish there was more of an outside passing game
Speaker 5: to this Washington offense. But in this game, if Washington
Speaker 5: wants to make this a little bit uglier and keep
Speaker 5: it on the ground and focus on the run and
Speaker 5: target those backs and tight ends like they did in
Speaker 5: Week one, I think that's there. And they passed quick
Speaker 5: enough to avoid the pressure from Hendrickson, and what the
Speaker 5: Bengals did against the Chiefs, I just it's a lot
Speaker 5: of points for this Bengals defense. So I'll take Washington
Speaker 5: seven and a half.
Speaker 1: Are you in survivor.
Speaker 5: Adam still alive?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Who are you taking this week? Well we'll get to
Speaker 1: that because right now you've sent my brain into Fritz
Speaker 1: mode because I was for me it's a choice between
Speaker 1: Cleveland and Cincinnati, and now you got me thinking.
Speaker 5: I'm and again I'm not advocating that this is Washington
Speaker 5: going in and beating him up and winning. This just
Speaker 5: feels like a ten point lead for since he late
Speaker 5: and Washington gets the easy score, it's a three to
Speaker 5: four point win. That never felt that.
Speaker 1: Club, Dottie, your last.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with a club that we call
Speaker 2: the fourth down Detroit Lions. Is it minus two and
Speaker 2: a half?
Speaker 1: It is minus two and a half? Yes, two and
Speaker 1: a half extra juice, So you're getting a little lucky there.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the Lions minus to two and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: And the reason let's move on, Let's remember this precedent
Speaker 1: that we are giving him a two and a half
Speaker 1: with extra juice that will come up again.
Speaker 2: We've given you, We've given you extra juice as many times. Listen,
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. I think, first of all, they moved
Speaker 2: the ball against Tampa all game. They lost the game.
Speaker 2: They moved the ball against the Rams, screwed me on
Speaker 2: my team total in overtime, and especially in that overtime
Speaker 2: where they just said, okay, now with the passing, we're
Speaker 2: just gonna hand the ball off. We're gonna push you around.
Speaker 2: To me, Arizona is a great team to get pushed around,
Speaker 2: if so, And I think the Lions are gonna just
Speaker 2: come out and say, we're gonna push you boys around.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see if you can handle the smash math football, right.
Speaker 2: You have smash mouth ability, right, And I don't think
Speaker 2: that the Arizona team has enough defense to do it. Now. Granted,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be, you know, peeing in my pants when
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray goes back to pass and he gets away
Speaker 2: from fourteen different guys and he's running and he's still
Speaker 2: running in the play, still going, and he's still running,
Speaker 2: and finally he finds somebody down downfield wide open. That
Speaker 2: guy is just electric and unbelievable to watch. However, I
Speaker 2: just think that the Lions can physically beat them up.
Speaker 2: And after a loss and after Arizona comes off maybe
Speaker 2: one of their best performances in the last you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, twelve fifteen games. This is the time
Speaker 2: to get the Lions to just smash him in the mouth.
Speaker 2: Minus the two and a half. All I gotta do
Speaker 2: is win by three two and a half.
Speaker 1: Todd, you are I like, I like all of your picks, Todd.
Speaker 5: Todd wishing like, here's better than mine.
Speaker 1: He's not messing around this year, Tod's.
Speaker 3: Going three week Oh here really.
Speaker 2: At the end rolling in wait, this just did the
Speaker 2: hand to at the end. The greatest fumbler inside the
Speaker 2: five yard line this year, and he again another one
Speaker 2: yard line.
Speaker 3: That's why you throw it the running back right, Adam.
Speaker 1: Especially short circling back. All right, Well, I.
Speaker 4: Wasn't going to have a play in rams forty nine ers,
Speaker 4: but I was doing the uh the bare bets pod earlier,
Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz actually made a pretty good case for the
Speaker 4: for the under, and I'm gonna I'm gonna use that
Speaker 4: as my third one here under are we going forty four?
Speaker 3: Forty four and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing both so many questions forty four forty four Yes, consensus.
Speaker 4: Forty four is no Debo, no McCaffrey, Rams with a
Speaker 4: million offensive line issues, no Cup, no Nikua. I think
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers probably just are happy to run
Speaker 4: the ball. We know all the stats with Debo off
Speaker 4: the field as opposed to on the field. Now, some
Speaker 4: of that coincides with Trent Williams, who's a big factor
Speaker 4: in the production for the forty nine ers offense as well.
Speaker 4: But I just think both teams missing a lot of weapons,
Speaker 4: familiarity Division games tend to trend lower scoring anyway. I
Speaker 4: will go under here Rams and forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1: Todd, I should have piped up when you had the
Speaker 1: Jaguars pick, but we're aligned on that one. A lot
Speaker 1: of this is pre flop conviction for me. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Bills are ultimately that good of a football team.
Speaker 1: As Todd pointed out, should have lost to Arizona. Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior was wide open, Kyler didn't see him after
Speaker 1: Arizona was up seventeen to three. Buffalo's best player on
Speaker 1: offense is still Josh Allen tucking the ball run under
Speaker 1: and I think Jacksonville is one of these teams where
Speaker 1: you cannot count on them to have things go right
Speaker 1: at the end. But if you're giving me, what is
Speaker 1: it six points? We said, what was it six and
Speaker 1: a half? Five? Okay, I try to do it. What
Speaker 1: is it eight points? What was let's spread on this
Speaker 1: five points? I think Jacksonville again. Give me the points.
Speaker 1: I'm happy with taking all five of those. I'll take
Speaker 1: the Jaguars who have shown themselves to be again you
Speaker 1: said it, they could be two and oh and somehow
Speaker 1: they're not. They're on too. But I'll take the points.
Speaker 2: You can tease them up to eleven. Two. You could
Speaker 2: tease them up to eleven, which is.
Speaker 1: A speaking of speaking of teasers, Adam, your favorite two
Speaker 1: leg six point teaser of the week is.
Speaker 5: This is my least favorite part of the show every
Speaker 5: time I come on. The unfortunate part with all of
Speaker 5: this that I've just made the case for Washington, and
Speaker 5: I mean, I know Cincinnati is going to be very
Speaker 5: pop leg. I don't want to touch Arizona. And a
Speaker 5: teaser with a high total, I will tease up Minnesota,
Speaker 5: which I hate, with Chicago, which I like.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Minnesota plus a great teaser week from me
Speaker 2: here Minnesota plus eight, Minnesota plus eight and Chicago plus
Speaker 2: seven and a half.
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of good Teazer likes
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 5: Is the tie ruling on the show? Based on the
Speaker 5: official stenographer? Is that a tie? The tie ruling on
Speaker 5: teasers here tis.
Speaker 1: Push they ties ties wait ties push here we give them,
Speaker 1: we give them a tie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get if you get a tie on
Speaker 2: one of the legs, it's a push teaser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you throw, You throw it in the dumpster at him,
Speaker 1: and then we dumpster die for the push and we
Speaker 1: get the refund. That's how this works. Okay, yeah, Will
Speaker 1: or Todd, I'm sorry, I forget the order. Todd.
Speaker 2: Well can go next.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Will, I'll use the Chargers from plus one
Speaker 4: and a half to plus seven and a half in
Speaker 4: a game with a low total VET and the Steelers
Speaker 4: seem to play nothing but one possession games.
Speaker 3: And I'll also use the vikings.
Speaker 4: Uh Party said after the game last week he went
Speaker 4: up to Flores. I'm sure people saw this and said, man,
Speaker 4: you've got a great scheme. It gave me nightmares. Now
Speaker 4: you got a young quarterback in Stroud against Flores, so
Speaker 4: I think Minnesota can keep it close. That's still one
Speaker 4: of the home fields that matters in that dome. So
Speaker 4: vikings plus eight chargers plus seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Are the chargers actually one and a half right now?
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, you can go now they.
Speaker 1: Are you can go there. That's great, you can see.
Speaker 3: One and a half. I gotta get a different we
Speaker 3: gotta I see.
Speaker 1: I see, I see one across the board.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, bookmaker has one.
Speaker 3: I'll take the seven, you know.
Speaker 4: Makers seven, I'll take the fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, he makes me the bad guy Gilly, but
Speaker 2: you know he's trying to pull fast.
Speaker 4: I mean, we gave you what, we gave you a
Speaker 4: pick him on the lions. It's like minus three, but
Speaker 4: it's fine.
Speaker 1: No, what is the Do we have a weight gain
Speaker 1: update on Will? From the last from the last.
Speaker 3: Update, he's not funny.
Speaker 2: Between minutes forty five and minute one oh three, we
Speaker 2: picked up about point four of a.
Speaker 1: Bound We'll see a look at your arms. We've been
Speaker 1: working out. Look at your lot at Will's arms. Put
Speaker 1: your arms up again.
Speaker 3: Just like todd says, I'm getting puffy. I'm getting puffy,
Speaker 3: all right?
Speaker 1: What is yours? Toime?
Speaker 2: He's a monster, that guy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a a f C North uh
Speaker 2: teaser and go with the Cincinnata Bengals minus one and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, I take all of Adam's turn Off's opinions seriously,
Speaker 2: and I you know, I agree with him that the
Speaker 2: Bengals defense is bad. I still think at home against
Speaker 2: a team that doesn't even play defense, they should be
Speaker 2: able to pull it out minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: So I'll take Cincinnati there minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: And I believe Cincinnati is zero and two on the year,
Speaker 2: right Cincinnatis. Oh and too, they lost to the Chiefs
Speaker 2: of Austin if they can't lose another game, if another
Speaker 2: game season, So I'm going Cincinnati minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: And then the Cleveland Bronis I love from the other pick,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna just take them minus a half. So
Speaker 2: they got to just win the game for me, So
Speaker 2: I'll take the Cleveland Brownis. In a little AFC North.
Speaker 5: Action, I went Cnati Bengals money line is almost like
Speaker 5: minus four hundred and so I think when I was saying,
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a popular teaser like
Speaker 5: that's that's a big part of it because you just
Speaker 5: see that different distribution of spread and money line and
Speaker 5: that's usually pretty good indication that teaser likes in their strength.
Speaker 1: I think everybody will have them. I think you're right,
Speaker 1: I will have them Cincinnati Minnesota for me, he's Minnesota
Speaker 1: up through three and the seven against the tech Sans
Speaker 1: along with the Bengals. Who I Who I getting to?
Speaker 1: I have narrowed my survivor choices to either the Bengals
Speaker 1: or the Browns. The break the most. What's that take?
Speaker 1: The Browns are the most They're the most organic choice.
Speaker 1: In other words, there is no better place the rest
Speaker 1: of the year to play the Browns. If you look
Speaker 1: at their skins. You know the Bengals, though. But if
Speaker 1: you ask me who will I feel more comfortable with
Speaker 1: headed into the weekend, it's actually Cincinnati, because there's no
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is not losing to that outfit. They are not.
Speaker 1: They're not going on three losing to the Skins. I'm
Speaker 1: a Skins fan, by the way, but I can't decide
Speaker 1: between those two. If you're holding me to the fire, now,
Speaker 1: I'd say Cincinnati, but I could be lying. It might
Speaker 1: be Cleveland. But I promise you'll be one of those two.
Speaker 2: I think you should take the Browns.
Speaker 5: Adam Okay, So I am a survivor in contest square.
Speaker 5: I am not good them. I'd never succeed with them,
Speaker 5: and the strategy stuff is over my head. From what
Speaker 5: I understand is I look at the card, the Browns
Speaker 5: are the choice because you're probably not going to use
Speaker 5: them again most likely. Is that a fair statement?
Speaker 1: That is correct? Now?
Speaker 5: Yes, if I was just looking to make a pick
Speaker 5: that would kind of put me away from a possible
Speaker 5: Browns no show at home with Deshaun Watson and that surprise,
Speaker 5: and then liking Washington, perhaps that gets competitive, even though
Speaker 5: I don't think it's in doubt.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 5: When I was looking at the board trying to figure
Speaker 5: out what way you would go, the one that stood
Speaker 5: out to me would be Kansas City. But that's probably
Speaker 5: upsetting for the typical survivor path that you would take.
Speaker 5: But if I was playing it, which for the sake
Speaker 5: of the show, I will from a perspective of like
Speaker 5: how do you dodge a bunch of disasters this week
Speaker 5: that could happen, I would go Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind Kansas City with circa Are you in
Speaker 1: circa Survivor?
Speaker 5: We're playing in We're in Circa We're in like a
Speaker 5: bunch of them and play a circuit is not a
Speaker 5: lot of thought behind it, quite frankly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kansas City is plays on Thanksgiving and Christmas as well,
Speaker 1: so for non circuitar contestants.
Speaker 5: He was, so, then you're stuck in that way, So
Speaker 5: then you could put me on the spot. Otherwise I
Speaker 5: would have to stick to Cleveland because but there's what's
Speaker 5: the Cleveland percentage in most pool is going to be
Speaker 5: like seventy percent plus or is it divided with no.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be nearly that high. I think
Speaker 1: it'll actually be pretty splintered. I think you'll have a
Speaker 1: good splintering of Cincinnati of Cleveland. And believe it or not,
Speaker 1: I think despite the Andy Dalton start, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people will still take the Raiders, and I
Speaker 1: do think a lot of people will take the Bucks.
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch on the Jets tonight. I bet
Speaker 1: we won't know that.
Speaker 5: Thursday is always the least picked, even when it's pretty popular,
Speaker 5: like relative to Sunday games.
Speaker 1: Just the deadline, Well, someone was sending me the sort
Speaker 1: of percentage of picks that have already been submitted at
Speaker 1: their particular pools and it is a big splintering between
Speaker 1: all those teams. So I don't know if that's represented interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, one pick that I liked that that
Speaker 2: didn't make it onto the top three. How is Skyler
Speaker 2: Thompson going to keep it close in Seattle? I mean,
Speaker 2: I've watched that guy a number of times get on
Speaker 2: the field. I don't think he's very good at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I almost do not touch that. I'm
Speaker 1: not touching that.
Speaker 5: He almost won a playoff game in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, years ago, but his numbers were bad. He
Speaker 3: was like eighteen to forty four mebs. It was a
Speaker 3: fluky game. There's some defensive scores.
Speaker 4: I went and look back at that because I almost
Speaker 4: almost took the points, because I'm just of a believer
Speaker 4: that it's more of the system and the players around
Speaker 4: to h but I just couldn't quite get there.
Speaker 1: Dodd, you would take Cleveland? Dodd, you would take Cleveland?
Speaker 1: Survivor said Will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would take Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Final two questions then, yes. Final two questions
Speaker 1: for each and every megapod since its inception so many
Speaker 1: years ago. The first is which of the big favorites.
Speaker 1: Do you believe is the most likely to lose outright?
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of choices here. Jets tonight, six
Speaker 1: point favorites at home against the Patriots, that's choice number one.
Speaker 1: Brown six and a half point favorites at home against
Speaker 1: the Giants, Bucks six and a half point favorites at
Speaker 1: home against the Broncos. Do Niners seven point favorites on
Speaker 1: the road against the Rams, Niners banged up, Rams banged
Speaker 1: up even more. And then the Bengals seven and a
Speaker 1: half point favorites at home against the Washington Taco Holders
Speaker 1: on Monday night. By the way, two Monday night games, y'all.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Buffalo followed, not followed by staggered staggered start to
Speaker 1: the Commodores and the Bengals after that. So the Skins
Speaker 1: game starts forty five minutes after the Jags Bills game starts.
Speaker 1: I forgot about it.
Speaker 2: I wish they spread them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: I remember remember during COVID they would.
Speaker 4: Play like five o'clock in the afternoon Eastern for like
Speaker 4: some of the Monday night games.
Speaker 3: I missed that.
Speaker 4: I wish they would kind of do like one super
Speaker 4: early and won at like seven and that was fun.
Speaker 5: But East West games were great. Yeah. Yeah, remember you
Speaker 5: remember Week one when the Jets played in San Francisco
Speaker 5: and it's like Monday night football and it's still five
Speaker 5: pm and bright and sunny up like this doesn't fit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you got to move that game back put an earlier
Speaker 5: one on the East coast. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Didn't we have? Didn't we have like a Steeler's Redskins Thursday.
Speaker 2: After Steelers Ravens, Steelers Ravens Wednesday afternoon Steelers Skins.
Speaker 1: I remember it was a.
Speaker 5: Game and like two pm on a random day as well.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: We had like a Tuesday it was Washington.
Speaker 3: I think Steelers were undefeated and that was their first loss.
Speaker 4: That was a Monday night game, yes, And then there
Speaker 4: was like a Titans Bills on like a Tuesday at
Speaker 4: night makeup game. We basically got all the days cover.
Speaker 4: Then there was a Steelers Ravens Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2: I knew there was a s Ravens.
Speaker 1: The Tuesday night wasn't That Tuesday night game was the
Speaker 1: Cross Wins game makeup game the Buffalo.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I think that was the game.
Speaker 4: Every game was st armed as somebody like knocked him out.
Speaker 4: It was Josh, Yeah, that was I missed that.
Speaker 1: Ah Covid like wistfully Covid.
Speaker 2: Patriots go ahead at him?
Speaker 5: Well, I see which way you're going. I'll say the
Speaker 5: team that's a bigger favorite most likely to lose this
Speaker 5: week is San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that choice.
Speaker 2: Todd the pat Pats to beat the Jets.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm gonna say Jets to lose to
Speaker 1: the Pats. Willy, I don't.
Speaker 3: Trust the Jets either, I'll say Patriots.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, Wow, that's just direct assault on Adam shirt
Speaker 1: Off is what?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 1: Just a three multi That.
Speaker 5: Isn't it crazy? How the perception that this team has
Speaker 5: changed despite I honestly, if we went back to September first,
Speaker 5: nineteen days ago, and we went around the table and
Speaker 5: we said, what is the biggest concern with the Jets
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers and his health, that's like the unanimous, without question,
Speaker 5: everyone on the Jets was, yeah, but Aaron Rodgers forty health,
Speaker 5: coming back whatever. There has been nothing that we have
Speaker 5: seen in weeks one and two that would imply that
Speaker 5: he is still not working with a very very live
Speaker 5: arm and that leg is a hindrance, Like, well, the
Speaker 5: one concern everybody had his answered and what we all
Speaker 5: were certain about has arguably struggled more than we expected.
Speaker 5: So like, where does it level out?
Speaker 1: Do not include me in that because I know people
Speaker 1: on the radio set are sick of me saying this,
Speaker 1: but I have been. I'm sorry. I've been the one
Speaker 1: pushing back on the Achilles thing the whole time. I
Speaker 1: said last year when Aaron Rodgers and all these hack
Speaker 1: doctors on Twitter were saying he could come back, last
Speaker 1: year on saying all these people are full of shit,
Speaker 1: trust me, he can't come back this year. And then
Speaker 1: this year and the off season I was on Willis
Speaker 1: should have been more podcasts, and I said, it will
Speaker 1: not be a problem for any of these guys now
Speaker 1: that they've had an off season to rehab. If the
Speaker 1: teams are going to fail, the Falcons and the Jets
Speaker 1: talking about Cousins and Rogers, it will not be because
Speaker 1: of the Achilles. And by the way, everybody after week one,
Speaker 1: the same people that were like, yeah, Rogers can come
Speaker 1: back last year were the same people after Week one
Speaker 1: who are like, oh, they're really affected by their Achilles well,
Speaker 1: after Cousins the other night, no one is saying that
Speaker 1: about Cousins anymore. And by the way, Rogers five years
Speaker 1: older than Cousins, so maybe, right, maybe you could argue, oh, well,
Speaker 1: take Rogers a little longer because he's older. But they're
Speaker 1: not going to fail because of his achilles his achilles
Speaker 1: asistion it ever was after a surgery. But he does
Speaker 1: have to get over a mental thing. But that's the
Speaker 1: reason the Jets fail. But two years ago, but Gilly
Speaker 1: two years ago?
Speaker 2: Was Aaron Rodgers really Aaron Rodgers two years ago? I
Speaker 2: remember some.
Speaker 1: Had a hand injury every no one remembers that.
Speaker 2: Wow, I remember a lot of games.
Speaker 5: It was an arry or something. At an end of
Speaker 5: the game he hit.
Speaker 2: A helmet that I remember, right, Yeah, I remember some
Speaker 2: stinker use by Aaron Rodgers the year before. But okay,
Speaker 2: stink a rouge.
Speaker 1: Okay, last question, then, if we lived in a Bizarro
Speaker 1: world and we were forced to bet a side in
Speaker 1: each and every one of these games, but you got
Speaker 1: one free pass one game where you're like, I am
Speaker 1: not even betting that with Toddy's money, Adam, what would
Speaker 1: that game.
Speaker 5: Be the easiest answer to the show Ravens Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Ravens Cowboys as dictated as as reflected by the spread itself.
Speaker 4: Willie, Yeah, that's a good one, but I'll go Panthers Raiders.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was all Bryce Young, or
Speaker 4: if it's the team around him and we'll see this
Speaker 4: bump with Dalton or the team is just that bad.
Speaker 4: I can't get a feeling for that. I'm in no
Speaker 4: hurry to lay five with the Raiders. I'm certainly in
Speaker 4: no hurry to bet the Panthers again. Like ever so,
Speaker 4: Panthers Panthers are Raiders for me, as as someone who
Speaker 4: called as someone who bets CJ. Stroud to go number
Speaker 4: one multiple times at plus money last year, and was
Speaker 4: just an incredulous that the Panthers drafted Bryce Young because
Speaker 4: I thought he's small, he can't succeed. Even I right,
Speaker 4: who thought Young would suck and he kind of did historically.
Speaker 4: Even I say about this year's Bryce Young, who looked
Speaker 4: like his confidence was entirely shot. It's not all his fault.
Speaker 4: How did canalis we said this during the preseason? How
Speaker 4: did they only play him a drive in the preseason?
Speaker 4: How were they okay with him?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 1: He's great. We don't need to see any more from him,
Speaker 1: Like Canalos has something to do with that, I think
Speaker 1: right brace Young didn't get forty seven points of the Saints.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you see that.
Speaker 2: On Twitter they had a Chase Daniel. I think it
Speaker 2: was Chase Daniel on Twitter. I'm not positive, but it
Speaker 2: was some I think it was Chase Daniel has a
Speaker 2: Twitter feed where he went through about fifteen reads by
Speaker 2: Bryce Young and he shows you, like what the routes are,
Speaker 2: he shows you what the zone is. He goes back
Speaker 2: and forth and shows you, Okay, here's where he should
Speaker 2: have thrown it, here's what he did wrong and everything,
Speaker 2: and he's like butchering him death. He goes, I don't
Speaker 2: want to do this to the guy. You know, he's
Speaker 2: not you know, he's like apologizing the whole time, and
Speaker 2: he's saying, but.
Speaker 5: It's gonna get me a lot of you, so I'm
Speaker 5: gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Adam, Adam, I'm with you. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying the point is, you watch that thing and you're
Speaker 2: just like, you feel like you're in the quarterback room.
Speaker 2: I like saying, the quarterback room. You know, actually the
Speaker 2: dumbest I've ever heard of the quarterback room. And you're
Speaker 2: watching and you're saying, okay, well, here's where he's supposed
Speaker 2: to go against the two high safeties, and he threw
Speaker 2: it to the wrong guy here, and here's what he's
Speaker 2: supposed to do. Because it's this is the play, and
Speaker 2: these guys are watching his and he's showing you all
Speaker 2: the things, and it seems like Bryce. And now, granted,
Speaker 2: we could probably look at a whole bunch of quarterbacks
Speaker 2: and maybe Chase Daniel could pick it apart, but it
Speaker 2: sure looked like, you know, there was like some real
Speaker 2: elementary shit that he wasn't doing.
Speaker 3: What's the rest of his career?
Speaker 4: Look like somebody tray a fourth round re form at
Speaker 4: some point this year offseason and he gets another chance
Speaker 4: to start, or he just fades into oblivion, because my
Speaker 4: guess is the former. Just because these coaches have egos,
Speaker 4: they say he was the first pick. I can fix him,
Speaker 4: put him in my city. I don't know, he'll get
Speaker 4: a chance. Yeah, yeah, he'll get a chance. I don't
Speaker 4: know if it leads to anything.
Speaker 1: That by the way, that we don't say this enough
Speaker 1: about football, right, you know, Baseball seaball, hit ball basketball,
Speaker 1: put this, you know, orange sphere into this orange cylinder.
Speaker 1: But that's the beauty of football, right, the fact that
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have to have that moment, whether it's holding a
Speaker 1: clipboard for years, whatever it takes. Some people will get
Speaker 1: it way quicker than others, the moment where it just
Speaker 1: clicks for them right where they see the field and
Speaker 1: they know exactly what's happening. Tom Brady does a great
Speaker 1: job of this, like pre snap, you should know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, and some quarterbacks never get that. And
Speaker 1: I think that's that's fascinating. My ex father in law
Speaker 1: used to play in the NFL, and he used to
Speaker 1: say about returns, right, he used to be like, it's
Speaker 1: just a knack, Like you can't explain it. It's just
Speaker 1: a knack for being able to have your brain, the
Speaker 1: computer in your brain recognize velocity coming at you and
Speaker 1: angles coming at you and knowing how to counter that.
Speaker 1: He's like, you can't teach that. I just find that
Speaker 1: about football to be anything because it's something.
Speaker 5: But the coaches and the quarterbacks earlier and how they're
Speaker 5: attaching themselves to success in the job. I've seen other
Speaker 5: opinions on where the nil deals in college are forcing
Speaker 5: teams to become more player dependent than system dependent. And
Speaker 5: so you have these these quarterbacks that go to college,
Speaker 5: get paid a bunch, and the plays are made for
Speaker 5: them to generate whatever notoriety for the college rather than
Speaker 5: them going into a college program. And then they make
Speaker 5: the leap to the NFL and they're forced to play
Speaker 5: quicker that it's now like NFL teams are rather than
Speaker 5: trying to get the quarterback into their offensive system, it's
Speaker 5: like these coaches are trying to figure out how to
Speaker 5: get the system built around the quarterback they're now married to.
Speaker 5: And it's seems like that's causing a lot of like
Speaker 5: variance in this early career play.
Speaker 1: Though, I would argue because if that's true, Adam, and
Speaker 1: I think that is true, right, I think that's an
Speaker 1: interesting point. I would argue, then that shows more of
Speaker 1: a coaching fit than it does a quarterbackacking deficiency, because
Speaker 1: I believe and again let me reference the great Joe
Speaker 1: Gibbs again, his ability to tailor x's and o's around personnel,
Speaker 1: no matter of the personnel. Right, Oh, we have John Riggins,
Speaker 1: We're now going to be run heavy run a jumbo
Speaker 1: with two tight ends. I'm going to design everything around
Speaker 1: this amazing package. And Taylor, oh, now we have Monk
Speaker 1: Clark and Sanders, let me play an entirely different kind
Speaker 1: of offense. Right, Whereas you had these guys like the
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer's of the world who believed my way is
Speaker 1: the only way, right, Steve's my way is the only way.
Speaker 1: You have to conform to my systems, Like that's the arrogance.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, it's It's an interesting point too, and
Speaker 5: that's you get guys like Andy Reid who typically young
Speaker 5: guys outside of quarterback and homes have always taken the
Speaker 5: year or two to click in that offense, and now
Speaker 5: we're seeing things change a little bit there. So it's
Speaker 5: like an interesting like with Worthy breaking through week one,
Speaker 5: that that's never really happened in that offense, but they're
Speaker 5: kind of now forced to do it just personnel wise,
Speaker 5: even I perhaps the cap has something to do with
Speaker 5: it where you don't have that depth like you used
Speaker 5: to as well.
Speaker 1: It's right, lots changed, right, And to your point, that's
Speaker 1: why I believe that Jordan Love was actually going to
Speaker 1: be good when most didn't because he got to youse,
Speaker 1: got to be in the same system for multiple years
Speaker 1: holding a clipboard with a Hall of Fame quarterback in
Speaker 1: the same system, And I related it back to just
Speaker 1: my purview from the Skins point of view, the reason
Speaker 1: Stan Humphries and Mark Rippin and Trent Green be came
Speaker 1: great or not greatly very good quarter and Barry Lamar
Speaker 1: Bonds also is because they got to do that. They
Speaker 1: got to just chill in the same system for years
Speaker 1: and that's how they became. You know, Stan Humphreys went
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl with the Chargers, for God's sakes.
Speaker 1: Trent Green might have, but then then ther.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Barry Bonds had Andy Vance liked to take him
Speaker 3: under his wing. I actually I disagree a little bit
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 4: I think Aaron Shots, I don't know if we're going
Speaker 4: to have him on on this podcast.
Speaker 3: He's done some pretty detailed.
Speaker 4: Research on sitting versus not sitting, and he's his conclusions
Speaker 4: have been very much that it's anybody's guest.
Speaker 3: There's no one way to do it. First, you know,
Speaker 3: a right way versus a wrong way to do it.
Speaker 4: Speaking of film study, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 4: have seen these grooding clips where he's breaking down film.
Speaker 4: They are equal parts entertaining and disturbing. I don't know
Speaker 4: where I fall between them, but they are very bizarre.
Speaker 4: I sent you some of them last night. They are odd,
Speaker 4: aren't grooding? Yeah? That, yeah, I'll send. He's like rapping
Speaker 4: and he's dancing to these rap songs. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: He's breaking down football film and then he'll randomly like
Speaker 1: the one that will send. He's talking about Joe Mason.
Speaker 1: I don't like what Joe mix and Joe mixing, just
Speaker 1: like I don't like cheeseburgers. I love cheese, and like
Speaker 1: he'll throw in a rap song. It's not it's nicely.
Speaker 1: I know they like he'll play it like a hip
Speaker 1: hop song or something.
Speaker 5: So my immediate presentation work to beep up and reach
Speaker 5: your broader audience.
Speaker 1: Let's be a lesson to us all, Adam that we
Speaker 1: need to.
Speaker 5: I have one last QB point to wrap up to
Speaker 5: your point of Aaron Schott saying like the start or
Speaker 5: sit hard not to look back at one of the
Speaker 5: best AFC quarterbacks of all time, and Mark Sanchez gets
Speaker 5: to the Jets playoffs playoffs nothing since and we've gone
Speaker 5: through a few quarterbacks there, so yeah, just saying legendary
Speaker 5: AFC quarterback.
Speaker 1: Not that anyone cares, but two of us haven't given
Speaker 1: our game that we want no part of. And the
Speaker 1: game that I want no part of would be if
Speaker 1: I could just call it the games I want absolutely
Speaker 1: no part of that Detroit Arizona game. Actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: Miami Seattle, Miami Seattle. I would say, there's a few
Speaker 1: of those this week where I'm like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go because you're right, I think the Ravens
Speaker 2: game against the Cowboys. Who are these teams? What is
Speaker 2: really going on with these teams and the Cowboys? By
Speaker 2: the way, the should we just auto bet after the
Speaker 2: Cowboys look great for like three, four, five, six weeks
Speaker 2: in a row, or they just have a huge game,
Speaker 2: just auto bet them at home against somebody to like
Speaker 2: lay a giant deuce in their pants, because they just
Speaker 2: it seems like they do it all the time, you know,
Speaker 2: And that was like a perfect spot for that.
Speaker 1: They're a bully. They're a bully, right, They beat all
Speaker 1: the teams that are clearly less talented them and then
Speaker 1: someone there picks on them. That's their own size. They
Speaker 1: were bully last year too. The Dolphins were bully last year,
Speaker 1: but now it too is out. So you can't even
Speaker 1: say that about that. What was your lying about them, Todd?
Speaker 1: They can't stand prosperity cowboys?
Speaker 2: You can't. Yeah, as soon as by the way, as
Speaker 2: soon as that game started, I said to myself, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, here we go. Typical cowboys are the killers
Speaker 2: and now it's going to be like eight million to
Speaker 2: nothing against the coup.
Speaker 1: Let me let me just end with this, Adam, what
Speaker 1: is your what is your most off general market consensus
Speaker 1: viewpoint at this point, either to the good or the bad,
Speaker 1: Like you don't think the Saints are for real? I
Speaker 1: don't know what. I just leave it open open ended
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 5: Well, I did Cowherd this summer, and my face is
Speaker 5: attached to the Carolina Panthers success and so it's been
Speaker 5: a My DF has been ugly for the last weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so I'm certainly tied to Andy Dalton turning things around
Speaker 5: there in Carolina. So that would be one that's to
Speaker 5: the bad but hopefully turns out good. If I'm going
Speaker 5: the other way, I would say so far being very
Speaker 5: high on Seattle preseason, which nobody really wants to bring
Speaker 5: up again, unfortunately, would be the one that's been so
Speaker 5: far to the good. I really am a big fan
Speaker 5: of Mike McDonald and so what he's done so far
Speaker 5: I thought has been really telling.
Speaker 1: Our coach of the year. Bets looked pretty good after
Speaker 1: two weeks. Anyway, with Mike McDonald, what number did you
Speaker 1: get him on this?
Speaker 2: He runs a Burger franchise and plays great defense. That's
Speaker 2: that's impressive.
Speaker 1: It's it's always a pregnant pause when you have to
Speaker 1: distinguish on air between Mike McDaniel, Mike McDonald, Michael McDonald,
Speaker 1: the artist. And there was one more I can't remember.
Speaker 1: There's like four of them, the.
Speaker 5: Worst yet last week when I was doing the previews,
Speaker 5: it was Harbaugh, Harbaugh, Raiders, Ravens, McDaniel McDonald in three
Speaker 5: consecutive games in rotation, and I just butchering all of them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's Mike McDaniel, Mike McDonald, Michael McDonald. I
Speaker 1: think the other one was Josh McDaniels. Right, was another one?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: With brutal all.
Speaker 1: Right, gentlemen, Adam the simple, the simple handicap The Simple
Speaker 1: Handicap is that the name you a simple Handicap Monday
Speaker 1: through Friday, and it's about what ten to fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: each you do them real quick, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's trending fifteen to twenty Apple Spotify YouTube
Speaker 5: every morning gets you ready on what you need to
Speaker 5: know for the day for NFL betting, and so that's
Speaker 5: airing every morning five am Eastern, two am Pacific.
Speaker 1: And what is your jurisdiction at Right Angle Sports? What
Speaker 1: do you handle there?
Speaker 5: All things NFL, mostly service facing and media, but we
Speaker 5: do a lot of betting and handicapping behind the scenes
Speaker 5: that doesn't get shown up. So everything relating to the
Speaker 5: NFL is is what I'm involved with.
Speaker 1: Beautiful And how did Coward? I didn't know that you
Speaker 1: were on Collin Coward? How did how did you? How
Speaker 1: did he find out about you? How did he get
Speaker 1: your his attention? How did you get his attention?
Speaker 5: I've known Jason McIntyre for a while, but there was
Speaker 5: Colin has the volume and it was a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago while I was still at Covers. There was
Speaker 5: very close to doing something with them and getting involved
Speaker 5: with that network. They elected to go with Shannon Sharp
Speaker 5: instead of me, I was told, which makes a lot
Speaker 5: of sense and certainly is probably paying off for them
Speaker 5: in a much better way. So I was. I became
Speaker 5: pretty close and friendly with them at that time, and
Speaker 5: then there was a very slow news day that nobody
Speaker 5: had anything to talk about, and so then I got
Speaker 5: I got bumped up for that back and right around June.
Speaker 1: Or so good for you. I would have liked to
Speaker 1: have seen you done interviews with Kat Williams, though, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, I would have liked to ar multi
Speaker 1: media thing. Is that true?
Speaker 4: There are some jokes you could have made there, and
Speaker 4: I was, yeah, there was there were some Shannon Sharp
Speaker 4: jokes to be.
Speaker 1: Made, but yes there were others to be made. Adam
Speaker 1: chirt off everybody and on Twitter you are at Adam
Speaker 1: chirtoff c h E r f F. Check it out
Speaker 1: there for Adam, for Toddy, thank you, Toddy, thank you.
Speaker 1: Will will Hills should have been more podcasts as well,
Speaker 1: and Todd and I we're not doing our halftimes at Tish.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to do halftimes, right, is that
Speaker 1: what we've determined.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just we have we have issues that's
Speaker 2: the only problem. I don't mind doing them. It's just
Speaker 2: the problems that we talked about. But maybe we the
Speaker 2: way Wills Wills Will's new podcast. Will's new podcast, put
Speaker 2: Down the Burger. That's his new podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess We'll deserves it after the couple the
Speaker 1: double funk.
Speaker 2: He didn't go after me very hard last last podcast.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, Okay, he was the guy was on
Speaker 2: site kicking without even declaring. He wasn't even declaring on
Speaker 2: side kicking.
Speaker 1: You gotta say for Will to.
Speaker 5: Win more than I am the guest chair here this week,
Speaker 5: just to get some revenge on that.
Speaker 1: It really is, uh you all with all your Week
Speaker 1: three bets in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: Thanks for I was kidding, It's it's real. His real
Speaker 2: podcast should have ate more. My fault.