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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. According to a recent

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Speaker 1: Gallup poll from October twenty twenty three, support for a

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Speaker 1: third party candidate is up to sixty three percent. This

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Speaker 1: represents a seven percentage point increase from a year ago

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Speaker 1: and is the highest since Gallup first asked the question

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. And in national polling, the

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Speaker 1: majority of registered voters think the United States is on

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Speaker 1: the wrong track. No Labels is working to ensure Americans

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Speaker 1: have the choice to vote for a presidential ticket that

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Speaker 1: features strong, effective, and honest leaders who will commit to

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Speaker 1: working closely with both parties to find common sense solutions

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Speaker 1: to America's biggest problems. No Labels has proposed quote a

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Speaker 1: unity ticket for twenty twenty four. Here to talk about

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Speaker 1: their national polling results and the latest update on the

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Speaker 1: No Labels unity ticket. I'm really pleased to welcome my guest,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Clancy, chief strategist of No Labels. Ryan, Welcome and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me on news World.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: What drew you into the No Labels project?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been with No Labels in some capacity for

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Speaker 2: about a decade. I actually came up in democratic politics,

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Speaker 2: so I was at the DSCC in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: six when Schumer was there.

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Speaker 1: I should say that's the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when I was a speech writer for them Vice

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Speaker 2: President Biden, among others. I never saw people who were

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Speaker 2: Republicans as my enemy. I really believed in my bones

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Speaker 2: when I looked historically as to how change happens, you

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Speaker 2: need people from both sides of the aisle. I mean,

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Speaker 2: in the early days of no labels, we always used

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Speaker 2: to reference the budget deals that you and President Clinton

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Speaker 2: did in the nineties, and the things that Tip O'Neil

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Speaker 2: and Ronald Reagan did in the eighties, where you had

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Speaker 2: people who were proudly conservative or liberal but recognized nobody

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Speaker 2: gets to be king for a day, and you got

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Speaker 2: to work together to achieve things.

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Speaker 1: The various things we did, the only four consecutive balance

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Speaker 1: budgets in your lifetime, welfare reform, capital gains, tax cuts,

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Speaker 1: Medicare reform, all of that required some ability to get

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Speaker 1: in the same room. And Clinton and I on the

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Speaker 1: balanced budget, for example, I think we figured out one

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Speaker 1: time we'd spent thirty five days face to face just

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Speaker 1: talking and analyzing and brainstorming trying to figure out how

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Speaker 1: to get there. There's an interesting book called The Pact

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Speaker 1: by a Professor Duke who points out that if it

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Speaker 1: hadn't been for the Lewinsky affair, that we actually, the

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Speaker 1: President and I had actually developed a program to move

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Speaker 1: on both Medicare and Social Security in a totally bipartisan way.

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Speaker 1: And I think it always shocks people that, given the

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Speaker 1: current tensions, that you could in fact get an amazing

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Speaker 1: amount done if you were willing for both sides to

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Speaker 1: If I remember, really started as a congressional and particularly

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Speaker 2: Yes, to the extent people knew us at any point

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Speaker 2: problem solver's caucus, which is you know, Democrats Republicans. A

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Speaker 2: good way to think about it conceptually is the folks

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Speaker 2: we connected them with a lot of our allies in

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Speaker 1: And one of the people I most admire is former

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Speaker 1: Senator Joe Lieberman, and he was a founding chairman of

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Speaker 1: No Labels. I mean, I think that by itself told

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Speaker 1: you this was a serious, substantive effort, because he's one

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Speaker 2: He's a great man, and he's still with us today

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Speaker 1: That's given you sort of an anchor because Lieberman was

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Speaker 1: what's the national leadership like for No Labels?

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Speaker 2: So we've got four national co chairs. We have Senator Lieberman,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty good Isshaemeent. We did a

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about somebody who really went to

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Speaker 2: He spent almost a decade in jail in the seventies

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Speaker 1: He came out of it amazingly as a positive person.

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Speaker 1: I found it to be very positive and very human.

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Speaker 1: When we did the podcast together, it was very exciting.

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Speaker 2: We're very lucky to have it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about your polling up. I gather you guys

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Speaker 1: are pretty optimistic by what you're learning from the American people.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're optimistic about the prospects of a unity ticket

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Speaker 2: because the American people are so pessimistic. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: why it Okay, that's why there's an opening. You noticed

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Speaker 2: at the top the Gallup polling showing about three and

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Speaker 2: five Americans say they want a third party every which way.

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Speaker 2: We've asked the question over the course of the last

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Speaker 2: two years. The main poll question we've asked is, if

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Speaker 2: it were Trump and Biden in twenty four and you

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Speaker 2: had a choice to vote for a moderate independent, would

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Speaker 2: you be open to voting for that independent? Anywhere from

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Speaker 2: fifty nine percent the first time we asked the poll,

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Speaker 2: the latest reading is sixty three have said yes. Now,

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Speaker 2: the reason to us that's so notable is we know

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Speaker 2: that somebody saying they're open to doing something doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: sixty three, you can lose a lot of those open

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Speaker 1: That's right, because if you have Biden and Trump and

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Speaker 1: What kind of reaction are you getting in terms of

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Speaker 2: We are strong everywhere. We've been working with a signature

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Speaker 2: signatures for referendum and all kinds of ballot initiative. They said,

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Speaker 2: our petitions across the country. We are on the ballot

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Speaker 2: already in twelve states, will be active around the ballot

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Speaker 2: I want to emphasize because when we say twelve, people

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Speaker 2: for context, Ross Perot didn't even start gathering signatures until

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Speaker 2: the spring of ninety two for his race. So we're

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Speaker 2: pretty far ahead of the curve and we think we're

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Speaker 2: hitting all our marks in terms of ballot access.

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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a sense that

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Speaker 1: the systematic opposition to you getting on the ballot is

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Speaker 1: much greater than Pero faced.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we had the benefit of flying under the radar

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Speaker 2: suit us and the Democratic Secretary of State a couple

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Speaker 2: months ago. They lost that suit, and so we expect

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Speaker 2: to see more of this. This is really the political

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Speaker 2: equivalent of like I walk in a grocery store, drop

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Speaker 2: and then I sue the grocery store. So they're not

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Speaker 2: good lawsuits, but we know they're going to keep doing

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Speaker 2: this to just throw sand in the gears and make

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Speaker 1: Have you had trouble raising the money just to survive

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Speaker 1: the legal fights?

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Speaker 2: No, because we knew this was coming, so we did

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Speaker 2: a lot of fundraising early on. We've got everything we

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Speaker 2: the legal challenges we know we're going to get. We

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Speaker 1: I read Mark Alpern's Wide World of News every morning,

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Speaker 1: and Halprin keeps making the point that Robert Kennedy Junior

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Speaker 1: to get on the ballot as an independent candidate, and

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Speaker 1: that you all are the only people who've actually been

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Speaker 2: It is a lot of work. Every state has these

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Speaker 2: very arcane and idiosyncratic procedures for how you get on

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Speaker 2: an organized operation. As far as we've seen, neither Cornell

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Speaker 2: but it's a steep hill to climb, and you.

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Speaker 1: Represent a peculiar threat. I've just read today Ben Dominich

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Speaker 1: was writing a column that the Florida Democratic Party has

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Speaker 1: ruled that nobody else can be on the ballot except Biden,

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Speaker 1: and so literally they are closing out the primaries because

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Speaker 1: they're so frightened that the numbers you're describing mean that

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Speaker 1: he could in fact face some very embarrassing primaries. But

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Speaker 1: all that does is push people towards you.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think we see on both sides,

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out, the Democratic Party, despite the fact

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Speaker 2: independence of republic, more than half of Democrats want somebody

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Speaker 2: other than Biden, They've closed off any possibility a competition,

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Speaker 2: no debates. They've changed around the primary calendar, as you

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Speaker 2: On the Republican side, at the state level, they've done

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Speaker 2: a lot of things to clear the decks for Trump too.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of state Republican parties, for example, that

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Speaker 2: have changed their delegate selection rules to be winner take all,

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Speaker 2: which of course is better for a front runner. So

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Speaker 2: on the one hand, I understand why people think historically

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Speaker 2: independents can't get a lot of traction. On the other hand,

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Speaker 2: when both parties are doing everything in their power to

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Speaker 2: force a choice on the public that most of them

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Speaker 2: don't want, why should it surprise anybody that some viable

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Speaker 2: competition is emerging.

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Speaker 1: Christmas is coming and it's never too early to think

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Speaker 1: about what would make the perfect gift for your children

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I assume that's all available online. It is

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Speaker 1: I like that commonsense dot org. Okay, I'm a big

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Speaker 2: Well, common sense speaks to you. Look at focus groups,

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Speaker 2: I think there would be less of an opening. The

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Speaker 1: Probably. Do you see the same thing on the Democratic side.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's doing a lot of things that you don't

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Speaker 2: So the way this works is no labels will get

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. To what extent is your publication common sense

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Speaker 2: We have no interest in fueling a spoiler ticket. But

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Speaker 1: In essence of both Biden and Trump are on the

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Speaker 2: Look, it's always possible the public could feel very different

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Speaker 1: You have basically an opportunity to create an independent unity ticket.

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Speaker 2: two choices. Well, a lot of people didn't think those

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Speaker 2: primary process, not just at the presidential level, as you know,

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Speaker 2: it's producing really bad outcomes in the House and in

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Speaker 2: the Senate. So we make no apologies about bypassing that

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Speaker 2: very dysfunctional process which makes it impossible oftentimes to get

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Speaker 2: candidates that speak to a broad majority of voters.

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Speaker 1: How do you validate your legitimacy?

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Speaker 2: We know we're going to have some kind of process

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Speaker 2: We're going to be doing focus groups and in the

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Speaker 2: end we'll use that input to get to a good place.

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Speaker 1: But will there then be like all committee that will

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Speaker 1: anoint a ticket.

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Speaker 2: There could be, but mister s I'm not being coy here.

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Speaker 2: We just are still working on it and we'll have

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Speaker 1: I've thought about from your perspective. On the one hand,

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Speaker 1: you have people at Joe Manchin who are sort of available.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you could imagine going to

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Speaker 1: a pure outsider ticket that had very successful people who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to have a wide open process. There

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Speaker 2: will be some recognizable political figures in that process. There

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Speaker 2: will be people from outside. That's part of the reason,

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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, we're going to get a lot of

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Speaker 2: And again that's part of the reason we want to wait,

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Speaker 2: and Biden become more apparent, there may be some people

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Speaker 2: who emerge that aren't you on our radar today, but

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Speaker 2: suddenly think there's an opening here four or five months

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Speaker 2: from that.

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Speaker 1: It must be at one level both frustrating and exhilarating.

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Speaker 2: It is. Look, we have studied all the past independent candidacies,

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Speaker 2: and we know all the reasons why they haven't worked historically.

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Speaker 2: It is no question it's an uphill fight. But on

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Speaker 2: the other hand, when you look at the polling we've seen,

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Speaker 2: that you've seen, and then when you just talk to anybody,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you know anybody who's happy about a

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Speaker 2: Trump Biden rematch, I'd like to meet them because that's

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Speaker 2: the first person I'll have met who feels that way.

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Speaker 2: If not now, when there's lots of moments in American

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Speaker 2: history where the conventional wisdom was this can never work,

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Speaker 2: this can never happen, until it did not as it

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Speaker 2: relates to an independent But even if you think about

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Twenty sixteen, all the people

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Speaker 2: that said Trump could never win, twenty twenty two, all

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Speaker 2: the people who said the red wave was coming. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure as you remember well, all the people in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy nine were saying, man, this washed UPEX actor from

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Speaker 2: California can never win the presidency, and then he did.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things all of us could

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Speaker 2: use in the political system a little more is a

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Speaker 2: bit more humility about what we don't know. The only

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Speaker 2: thing we know with certainty today is that the public

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Speaker 2: really doesn't like their choices, and they are hungry for

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Speaker 2: other choices. And we're getting the ballot so that choice

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Speaker 2: is available if voters want it next year.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you actually have membership?

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Speaker 2: We do. We have very active chapters all across the country.

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Speaker 2: We have state level co chairs, we have people who

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Speaker 2: give money to the movement. We have people who take

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Speaker 2: action on behalf of the movement. So we're active on

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Speaker 2: Capitol Hill. They're writing members of Congress and calling them.

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Speaker 2: And as I said, a million people have now signed

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Speaker 2: no Labels petition. That's a pretty strong validator or the

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Speaker 2: appetite for this right there.

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Speaker 1: I assume you have all those in your database. Now

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Speaker 1: we do.

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Speaker 2: We've spent a lot of resources in building out a

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Speaker 2: voter file to identify these kinds of voters in the

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Speaker 2: same way that the major parties have that same kind

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Speaker 2: of database that lets them target and turn out voters.

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Speaker 1: I encourage everybody who's listening to go to no Labels

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Speaker 1: dot org and from there they can get your platform.

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Speaker 1: You got it. If you believe in the great strength

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Speaker 1: of a democracy being open to all of its people

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Speaker 1: having ideas and all of its people having an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to provide leadership, then what you're doing is totally in

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Speaker 1: the American tradition. I appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 1: talk with this because I think as we get deeper

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Speaker 1: into the year, people are going to be really interested

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Speaker 1: in exactly what No Labels is all about. And Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I think that you've given us a good initial introduction

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Speaker 1: and I'm very grateful and we will continue to follow you,

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Speaker 1: and when you get the candids and things are totally

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Speaker 1: lined up, we could have them come and also talk

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Speaker 1: with us and share with our listeners.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to do that. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: Ryan. I want to thank you for joining me and

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Speaker 1: the national polling No Labels continues to do is really fascinating,

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Speaker 1: and I want to recommend to all of our listeners

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Speaker 1: that they can go to org and to Commonsense Majority

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Speaker 1: dot org first for the whole organization and the common

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Speaker 1: Sense for the booklet that tells what their core platform is.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mister speaker, Thank you to my guest Ryan Clancy.

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Speaker 1: You can learn more about No Labels on our show

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