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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome back to another NFL episode of the

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Speaker 2: Action Network NFL Podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in

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Speaker 2: chief of Fantasy Labs, and with me or two guys

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Speaker 2: Network Sean Corner and Chris Raymond. Shawn is our director

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Speaker 2: of predictive Analytics and one of the top end c's

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Speaker 2: in fantasy football rankers for the past half decade. Chris

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Speaker 2: is a senior editor and analyst at the Action Network

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Speaker 2: Serious XM Fantasy Radio at nine am Eastern Time and

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Speaker 2: speaking of Sirius XM. We are joined by Jeff Ratcliffe,

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Speaker 2: the director of Fantasy at Pro Football Focus and an

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Speaker 2: award winning podcaster for Serious x and Fantasy Radio. Jeff,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to be here. I'm excited it's finally.

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Speaker 4: July is sixty six days until the start of the

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Speaker 4: NFL season. It's I always say like June sucks because

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Speaker 4: June went really quickly and football is in the air.

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Speaker 2: Man, it seems as if the season really is right

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Speaker 2: around the corner. Great to have you on the episode.

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Speaker 2: We are kicking off our position by position epic multi

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Speaker 2: episode breakdown. First, we're going to discuss our fantasy strategy

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Speaker 2: for the quarterback position and outline how we each approach

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Speaker 2: the position, and then we will do a full breakdown

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Speaker 2: of the top twelve fantasy quarterbacks for twenty nineteen by

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Speaker 2: average draft position. This episode is going to be so good,

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Speaker 2: in fact, that you will immediately want to rate and

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Speaker 2: review the show on Apple Podcast or wherever you your podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's jump into the episode, and Jeff, I'd like to

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Speaker 2: start with you to get some big picture thoughts about

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Speaker 2: how you project quarterbacks, because I'm sure that sort of

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Speaker 2: flows from your your team level projections, but just thoughts

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Speaker 2: on how you do your projections in general.

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Speaker 3: It does start at the team level.

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Speaker 4: I've talked to different people about their processes, and not

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Speaker 4: nobody's one hundred percent transparent about exactly what they do.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Mike Clay have talked to Sean a

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Speaker 4: bunch of times, and John Paulson and John Hanson about

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Speaker 4: how they go about theirs, and everybody has a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a different approach. But I think really you

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Speaker 4: have to start at that team level. You have to

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Speaker 4: project what you ultimately expect from the teams, and then

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Speaker 4: you can factor in how the individual player performance. You know,

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Speaker 4: it is all a part of that. And there are

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Speaker 4: certain players this year who I think where we have

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Speaker 4: individual perceptions of and then when we look at team

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Speaker 2: How do you kind of think about balancing questions that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you obviously have to consider the play calling tendencies.

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Speaker 4: You know, Russell Wilson is a guy who stands out

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Speaker 2: Right, Sean, I'd like to get some of your thoughts

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Speaker 5: Jeff Nail that you know, there's a lot of similarities

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Speaker 5: So I have a bunch of different layers I'm adding in.

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Speaker 5: And you know, when it comes to football, there's a

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Speaker 2: All right, right, man, I'd like to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I feel like two to three times a year, i'm

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Speaker 2: football since I believe twenty ten. Yes, I'm wondering how

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Speaker 2: you actually do watch all of the games. But of

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Speaker 1: Both of these guys already hit on a ton with

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Speaker 1: the top down projections. I think watching the games really

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Speaker 1: kind of what Sean mentioned that art part of it.

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Speaker 1: Like when you watch a game, sometimes it can just

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Speaker 1: say that for me, a quarterbacks, you know, efficiencies, particularly

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Speaker 2: I think, Jeff, for fantasy, how do you tend to

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Speaker 4: A friend of ours in the industry said, late round approach,

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Speaker 4: of folks out there are pointing this out. Over valuing

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Speaker 4: There are so many who are producing four thousand plus

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Speaker 4: any reason to even be looking at quarterbacks early on.

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Speaker 4: So what I basically establish for all positions is my

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Speaker 4: value falls. So I'm not saying don't draft Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: but I'm not even looking at him in the second round.

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Speaker 4: But if Patrick Mahomes is there in the fourth rounds,

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Speaker 4: and I typically will draft two quarterbacks. I know that

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Speaker 4: conventionally traditionally was don't draft two quarterbacks, with all the

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Speaker 4: is I will draft a safe option. So, for example,

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Speaker 4: last year, my safe option was Philip Rivers. He's probably

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Speaker 4: not going to win you weeks, but he won't lose

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Speaker 4: then draft an upside option swing for the fences, because hey,

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Speaker 4: Not a big deal. So last year, Patrick Mahomes was

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Speaker 4: But even if you went Rivers and Jimmy G, all right,

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Speaker 4: You still had Rivers, you still got decent value on him,

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Speaker 3: So that's the approach that I typically used the most.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jeff, maybe last year was even a situation

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Speaker 2: where you lose Jimmy G, but you're able to pick

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Speaker 2: for instance. I'd like to get your thoughts, Jeff, on

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Speaker 2: this era of quarterbacking, which I think is especially conducive

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Speaker 2: to the late round strategy anyway, Like, I think that's

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Speaker 2: a good strategy as it is, but we're in this

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Speaker 2: then also the style of game has changed where you

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Speaker 2: have some passers, some quarterbacks who are able to provide

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Speaker 2: really good value as passers, but then you have this

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Speaker 2: lot of value with his legs. So it just seems

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Speaker 2: like there are so many ways that so many of

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Speaker 2: these guys can provide value. Do you have any thoughts

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Speaker 2: on why it is that the late round strategy is

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Speaker 2: so good for this time?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, as you mentioned, especially when you factor

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Speaker 4: in the running quarterback. So I call it the modern

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Speaker 4: fantasy quarterback. The quarterback who can go out and you know,

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Speaker 4: think about it, if they if they rack up forty

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Speaker 4: yards on the ground as a runner, that's the same

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Speaker 4: amount of fantasy points as if they pass for a

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Speaker 4: have to be these traditional drop back passers. Who are

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Speaker 4: you know, you're hoping and maybe cracks four thousand passing yards,

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Speaker 4: this is depressed as ADPs. So you're getting him as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Sean, I'd like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean it's frustrating because we all know

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Speaker 5: So that's why people tend to stick to the you know,

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Speaker 5: have that streaming option. You know, every every given week

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Speaker 5: it should be, you know, like we're used to in

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Speaker 2: Raybon, how about you, how are you approaching quarterbacks at

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting almost always. I think it's gotten to the

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Speaker 1: You know eighteen. Josh Allen was the top fantasy quarterback

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Speaker 1: Every single person in my league has taken a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So this year, the potential outliers I think are Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: that Mahomes type level, that fifty touchdown level if everyone

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Speaker 1: those are some of the guys that I'm really kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my thoughts are, I'm waiting and the first guy

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Speaker 1: How much how much exposure do you already have, because

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Speaker 2: Too much is not enough? But yeah, that's way too much.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say that's what, way too much? On What

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't like to go any higher than twenty percent tops.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you like, go all in, I have

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit about these quarterbacks specifically,

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Speaker 2: How much regression is reasonable to expect, because you have

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Speaker 4: Well, I think in home leagues he very likely is

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Speaker 4: never going to get there. But regression is inevitable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: It makes me think a little bit of what we

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Speaker 5: I mean, of course there is, but I mean he

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Speaker 5: But you know, I have the Chief scoring around twenty

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't think it's crazy if Mahomes ends

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Speaker 2: All raymon, you are someone who definitely likes to wait

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Speaker 2: fall to for you to say, Okay, Like, I know

433
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Speaker 2: I can get Kyler Murray later, but there's absolutely no

434
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Speaker 2: way I can pass on Mahomes at this spot.

435
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Speaker 1: It's probably later than most It's probably a round. Like

436
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Speaker 1: Sean said in that sixth seventh round, I usually like

437
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: to and one of the reasons I like to employ

438
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Speaker 1: the late round quarterback strategy, well two reasons. One, even

439
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 1: if you employ it and everyone else does. It's not

440
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: like let's say a zero running back, where then you

441
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Speaker 1: want to do the opposite. It's like if everyone else

442
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Speaker 1: employees that you could still wait in quarterback, and it's

443
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Speaker 1: either you have needed to because everyone else waited, or

444
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Speaker 1: you would like in theories, still get the top selection.

445
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: So really no downside I think to waiting. But the

446
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Speaker 1: other reason I liked it is because I think you

447
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: need at least one more player at each of the

448
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: running back and wide receiver positions then you're starting lineup required.

449
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Speaker 1: So for example, if you have let's say a league

450
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Speaker 1: that it requires you to start two running backs three

451
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Speaker 1: wide receivers in a flex, I usually wait till at

452
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Speaker 1: least you know the double digit rounds to take a quarterback,

453
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Speaker 1: because I don't just want to get those you know,

454
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: two running backs and those three wide receivers in a flex.

455
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: I want to get now two extra running backs and

456
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: an extra wide receiver or two you know, extra wide receivers,

457
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 1: an extra running back before I even look at quarterback.

458
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: Because those middle rounds, yes, there are riskier players, and

459
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Speaker 1: maybe you know that's kind of when those those stud

460
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks start tempting people. But those picks can be extremely valuable,

461
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: and it's a lot tougher to hit on the right guy.

462
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Speaker 1: The later in the draft you get, you might get

463
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Speaker 1: really lucky, but it's just harder to kind of spot,

464
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Speaker 1: Whereas you're still getting guys, especially at the running back position,

465
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Speaker 1: were getting decent usage in those six through eight through

466
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Speaker 1: nine rounds, and I think that's really a crucial part

467
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Speaker 1: of the draft that a lot of people overlook or

468
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Speaker 1: they take a quarterback, or they just go on auto

469
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: draft or something like that. But those are the rounds

470
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Speaker 1: you really want to go to work. And you can't

471
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Speaker 1: really win a draft in the early rounds, but you

472
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Speaker 1: can sort of lose it, and I think for the

473
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: most part, taking a quarterback is more likely to lose it.

474
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Speaker 1: I want to find the next Mahome. I don't want

475
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: to now draft him at or above cost. I want

476
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Speaker 1: to hope that Tyler is the next Mahomes for goth

477
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: or Baker Mayfield, even who's not going who's still a

478
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: stud quarterback and still going early, but even he's going

479
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: three four rounds after Mahomes in some leagues. So those

480
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: are the kind of the guys that I would target

481
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Speaker 1: if I was gonna get tempted all.

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Speaker 2: Right to put a number to this. I have Mahomes

483
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: as the guy most likely to lead the league in

484
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. I'm projecting thirty six point two touchdowns right

485
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: after him. I have Andrew Luck just around thirty six,

486
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: and Luck is the second quarterback off the board going

487
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: late in round four. I'm really intrigued by him and

488
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: by this Colts team as a whole. I'm interested in

489
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: the impact of Luck moving into a second year of

490
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: the system and really his first full off season of

491
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: health when it comes to his shoulder, and interested in

492
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: the additions of Devin Funis and Paris Campbell and then

493
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: the return of Jack Doyle. I think it's it's a

494
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: pretty loaded offense. Jeff, what are your thoughts on Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 4: I agree with a lot of what you said there.

496
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: You look at what he was able to do last

497
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: season when there were a lot of questions entery.

498
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Speaker 3: You remember, let's not forget that Jacobe Prissett threw a

499
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: Hail Mary, right.

500
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: Everybody lost their freaking minds when Brissette was out there,

501
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: and then what was Luck down the stretch? Eleven top

502
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: ten Fantasy finishes over the final thirteen. He was rock solid.

503
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: The shoulder looked fine. And you mentioned the biggest problem

504
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 4: that we had last year was the wide receiver group.

505
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 4: He was throwing to pretty much nobody. And it's not

506
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: the Devin Funches is a phenomenal player or anything like that,

507
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: but as your number two, to get another big body

508
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: guy in there, another red zone presence, you know, So

509
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: that opposing defense was where you know, eventually going to

510
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 4: figure out that Eric Ebron was going to be the

511
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 4: only red zone target. Well that's not the case anymore

512
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: in Paris Campbell. While he may may not be doing

513
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 4: much downfield for you, you know, his a dot at

514
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: Ohio State was like six yards. Like he's not doing

515
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: anything downfield. He does have the ability though to break

516
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: plays as that short and intermediate wide receiver. So getting

517
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: him in there certainly helps. I love everything that they

518
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: have all around, but really just the system, how it's

519
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: tailor made to Andrew Luck's skill set, with the vertical

520
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 4: concepts in there. The passing attempts alone, I mean, could

521
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: he be well over six hundred passing attempts again this year? Yes,

522
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Speaker 4: I totally think he will be.

523
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Speaker 3: Now.

524
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Speaker 4: The one thing though that I think separates him though,

525
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: from maybe somebody like Deshaun Watson is you know, you

526
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: look at Watson, he has that higher floor as a runner.

527
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Speaker 3: Lower floor is a passer, but the higher floor is

528
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Speaker 3: a runner.

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Speaker 4: So I've when faced with that decision in best balls,

530
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Speaker 4: I've probably gone about you know, sixty five thirty five

531
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Speaker 4: Watson to Luck. But I have taken Luck over over Watson.

532
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Speaker 4: You know that like roughly one third at the time.

533
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Speaker 2: I definitely hear you about the Watson Overlock. I'm with

534
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: you there, but I mean all of us. I think

535
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: we have Luck as a top five fantasy quarterback. And

536
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: when he's been healthy each year of his career except

537
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: his rookie season, he's been a top five fantasy quarterback. Sean,

538
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: do you think that's exactly where he should be going?

539
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, And you know Jeff mentioned the Hail Mary

540
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 5: they brought in Brissette, and if you guys remember I

541
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 5: was freaking out about that because I had the similar injury,

542
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: similar surgery, so you know, but he shook off the

543
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 5: rest starting in week four and you know week four

544
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 5: on he was a QB two and like you guys mentioned,

545
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 5: that was with considerably less weapons than he's gonna have

546
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: this year, so I love him as a high floor

547
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 5: play when it comes to Luck, we also, you know,

548
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: last year was the first full season where he didn't

549
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: top two hundred and fifty rushing yards or score two

550
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 5: more touchdowns on the ground, So I think that's something

551
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: that we might be overlooking, where his first year back

552
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 5: from the surgery, he could have been protecting it a

553
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 5: little more than we think. So I'm seeing some positive

554
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 5: aggression in the rushing stats, which could help his ceiling

555
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 5: a little bit more. But I'm with you guys on

556
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson. I have him ranked about the same, but

557
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: I like Watson's upside a lot more. You're going to

558
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 5: be spending high capital this early on in the drafts

559
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 5: on the QB. I'd rather have a guy with better

560
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 5: odds of being the overall QB one. And I actually

561
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: did ten thousand season simulation and Deshaun Watson added point

562
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 5: two more wins than Luck just due to his high

563
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 5: floor and high ceiling combo. I think Luck is you know,

564
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: he's a high floor guy who's basically guaranteeing you QB

565
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 5: one numbers every week, but he doesn't have that super

566
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: high ceiling because Watson brings the rushing stats. So I'm

567
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 5: typically favoring Watson between these two.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I was about to say, like Jeff, I

569
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: think I would have to disagree with you about that

570
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: that Luck's a higher floor passer. I think Watson's a

571
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: higher floor passer as well. I mean, these guys already

572
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: know my love for Deshaun, but two years in the league,

573
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: eight point three eight point two yards in attempt, I

574
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: mean Luck was at seven. He threw a lot of

575
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: balls last year, partly because, yeah, the supporting cast, but

576
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: he was just generally, you know, a little more inefficient

577
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: on a yardage basis, and in the red zone he

578
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: averaged seven point two yards in attempt a season ago.

579
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Speaker 1: So like, if you're talking about like Mahomes versus Watson

580
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: versus Luck, who could regress the most? I actually think

581
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: Luck could actually be that person because it's hard to

582
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: sustain that touchdown rate, especially if the yards per attempt

583
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: doesn't go up and it should. And I love his weapons,

584
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: but I still think he's like a lower floor guy

585
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: than the Watson, Holmes, Baker, Mayfield and those guys. Because

586
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, number one Eric Hebron had an amazing season.

587
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, funcious. It was kind of like a scrap

588
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: heat player at this point. Campbell unproven. You know a

589
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: lot of guys who like it looks good on paper,

590
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: but I just see more downside. Whereas Watson, you know,

591
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: even with QTa and Will Fuller kind of in and

592
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: out of the lineup all year, still remain just as

593
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: efficient and does add that that Russian ability.

594
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: I will say though, with Luck, his overall floor seems

595
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 5: a little bit safer because he's not He's not directly

596
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: tied to anyone receiver. I think to Hilton, we're gonna

597
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: mess time. He has so many weapons that you know,

598
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: I don't see his value dropping much. But you know,

599
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, if DeVante Adams goes down, or Deshaun Watson,

600
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 5: if Hopkins goes down, the other value is kind of

601
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: tied up a top receiver. So I think Luck has

602
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: that in his favorite all these weapons, you know, different

603
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 5: skill sets. He can survive a little bit of bad injury.

604
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 5: Luck to his receiving corpse Seawan.

605
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: You just mentioned Aaron Rodgers there, that's the guy I

606
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: like to talk about next. He is going third off

607
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: the board by ADP in the middle of Round five, Jeff,

608
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: I'd like to know what you think we are going

609
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: to see out of him. Because it's this new era,

610
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: it's hard to know exactly what we should see out

611
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: of Head coach Matt Lafleur and his first year really

612
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: running the show. Last year with the Titans, he coordinated

613
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: a very run heavy offense. Previously as a quarterbacks coach,

614
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: he was a part of offenses with the Rams and

615
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: then with the Falcons that skew towards the pass. Obviously,

616
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers, he's someone who's been in a pass

617
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: heavy system previously. What do you think we're going to

618
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: see out of him this year?

619
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Speaker 4: It was a weird year last year for a number

620
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: of reasons. But when you look at Rogers over the

621
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: course of his career, he's a guy who has been

622
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: able to produce fantasy value because of his touchdown efficiency,

623
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: not because he was putting up crazy yards. I mean,

624
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: he hasn't even come close to a five thousand yard season.

625
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: When you look at like somebody like Matt Ryan, who's been,

626
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: you know, within one hundred yards in two of the

627
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: last three years of a five thousand yard season, but

628
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: he has two forty touchdown passing seasons, he has a

629
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Speaker 4: thirty nine, a thirty eight, you know, last year only

630
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: twenty five. But in the same right he had sixteen

631
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: completions of forty plus yards, which was tied for the

632
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: league lead, you know. So there's that the big play

633
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 4: in that offense that was kind of surprising and kind

634
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: of hidden by the numbers. So looking forward to this year,

635
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: I don't think you can make any argument that he

636
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: should be in that conversation with Mahomes. But in this

637
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: next tier when we talk about guys like we talk

638
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: about guys like Watson, he's in that tier. For me,

639
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 4: he's at the bottom of that tier. But I think

640
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: that good things are gonna happen going forward with Matt Lafleur.

641
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a nice change from what we saw.

642
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 4: Things got really stale at the end. There really vanilla

643
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: with the Mike McCarthy offense.

644
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: In any season in which Aaron Rodgers has played let's

645
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: say like more than ten games, or we'll just say

646
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: a full sixteen game season, because he has missed his

647
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: two partial seasons seasons which he's played only like five

648
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: to seven games, and all of his full seasons he's

649
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: been in most of them a top two quarterback. At

650
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: no point has he finished less than the fantasy number

651
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Speaker 2: seven quarterback. Raybond has him ranked number seven, which I'm

652
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: not gonna say that seems egregious, but it's aggressively low. Sean,

653
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: you and I both have him ranked in the top

654
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: of five. Can you talk about what you see out

655
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: of him this year, and then we're gonna see what

656
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: Raymond thinks.

657
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 5: Last year was almost the worst case scenario for him

658
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: in a full season. You know, he's suffered the mcl

659
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 5: injury in Game one and then proceeded to play through

660
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: it through this season, and we kind of saw he had,

661
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 5: you know, he lacked the mobility we usually see out

662
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 5: of Aaron Rodgers and he only ended with twenty five

663
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 5: passing touchdowns. So finishing QB eight in a season like

664
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: that seems like his floor. I'm expecting him to bounce

665
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 5: back in this little floor offense. I expect the need

666
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 5: to be closer to one hundred percent, So yeah, I

667
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: have him closer to the top three range we usually

668
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 5: expect from him. However, the market is definitely aware of

669
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: that and that's where he's being drafted. So I don't

670
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 5: really see any value in taking him right now. I

671
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 5: guess unless you're in a league that you know, docs

672
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: ten points for interceptions, then I'm all in on Aaron Rodgers.

673
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 5: But other than that, there just isn't much value to

674
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 5: be had at him in the top three. But I

675
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: think that's exactly where he should be going. So curious

676
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 5: to hear what Raybond has to say about his seventh

677
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: ranking for him.

678
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: The way I see it this year, I think a

679
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: lot of people are kind of overrating some of the

680
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: more proven guys like the Rogers, the Lucks and the

681
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: and in reality, I think it's the younger guns, the Mahomes,

682
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: the Watsons and the Mayfields that have the higher floor

683
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: sailing combos. So with Rogers, it just comes down to,

684
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, Jeff hit on it when he said he

685
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: hasn't been doing it with the yardage. I mean, he's

686
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: been right around the league average in yards per attempt

687
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: each of the last four seasons. His touchdown interception ratio

688
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: has been amazing. Yes, but we still only have as

689
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: far as proven receivers on that team Davante Adams, and

690
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: you compare that to yes, even Luk with you know what,

691
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: I do see some more downside, even even the guys

692
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: surrounding him, as we mentioned, you know, Mayfield with Odell

693
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: and the joke who and Landry and Chubb and Hunt

694
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: and just the guys that we saw him doing it.

695
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: We saw him doing it with less. Last year he

696
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: was he Aver was the second most yards per attempt

697
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: behind Mahomes over the second half of the season with

698
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: not as much weaponry as he's going to have this year.

699
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: So Rogers, it's like, you know, Matt Laflor On top

700
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: of that, it's like, what's his real claim to fame?

701
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Riding Derek Henry like it's nineteen seventy six. Like, I

702
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: don't see anything that really makes me want to reach

703
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: on a quarterback in terms of Aaron Rodgers except his

704
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: name being Aaron Rodgers. Whereas when I look at Mahomes

705
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: or I look at like, I'd rather take Mahomes in

706
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: round two than Rodgers in round five, if that makes sense.

707
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: I just think there's certain guys that have these monster ceilings,

708
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think Rogers is one of them this year.

709
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: I think he's another guy who's just been He's just

710
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: such a good quarterback, one of the all time grades.

711
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: But in fantasy again, you know, as we've talked about

712
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: all show, these fantasy points are kind of getting equalized,

713
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: so you really need these outliers. And I just don't

714
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: think Rogers this year is in position necessarily to post

715
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: an outlier season or as much in position as some

716
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: of these other guys that we've talked about. I think

717
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: the value in terms of the Green Bay passing attack

718
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: outside of Devontae Adams, of course, is just grabbing some

719
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: of these receivers late. I think there's a lot of

720
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: different ways you could attack that Green Bay offense that

721
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: doesn't involve burning an early or mid round pick on

722
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

723
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, going in that same draft range as

724
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: Rogers is Deshaun Watson, and Jeff you mentioned him earlier

725
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: as someone you were interested in because of his rushing upside.

726
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: I actually have him as my number one quarterback in

727
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: large part because of that rushing upside, and I think

728
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: his passing efficiency is good enough to maybe give him

729
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: the edge over Mahomes. One of my questions, what do

730
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: you think of the impact of will Fuller's health on Watson.

731
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: He's someone who's been able to kind of be efficient

732
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: regardless of what's been going on with his wide receiver

733
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: group or you know, just any of the pass catchers

734
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: around him. But Fuller towards ACL later in the season,

735
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: I think people are assuming that he's going to be

736
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: back to full health. But that seems like an assumption

737
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: that might not be all that safe to make. But

738
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on Watson?

739
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: Well, he can't ever make the assumption of health with

740
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: Will Fuller. Unfortunately, if the dude could just stay healthy,

741
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 4: he could be the you know, modern day Chris Carter

742
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 4: because that's basically all he does is catch touchdowns. It's

743
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 4: it's really unbelievable. Last year or the last two years,

744
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: sixty catches eleven touchdowns. It's eighteen point three percent. That's unbelievable.

745
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 4: With him on the field, with the connection that they've

746
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: obviously shown between him and Watson, that's a good thing.

747
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: Plus QT, now that that's the there's a lot of

748
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: QT momentum and I know that's not really the topic here,

749
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: but a lot of momentum there and a lot of

750
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 4: people thrown out stats and oftentimes the stats are when

751
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: Fuller wasn't on the field. So we have to be

752
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 4: a little bit careful there. With the three of them

753
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: on the field, I still think Fuller is going to

754
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 4: you know, see the field a little bit more than Qt.

755
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: But that gives them that extra dynamic. They have all

756
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 4: of those tight ends. They have one hundred tight ends

757
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: on the roster, you they they There's a lot to

758
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: like with Houston as a whole. Plus the fact that

759
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: Watson really didn't disappoint last year. I mean, he wasn't

760
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: exactly people were drafting him as high as the second

761
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: round at times, he wasn't quite that, but he ended

762
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 4: up as a number four fantasy quarterback. You know, he

763
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: put up really strong numbers as a whole. As a rusher,

764
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: you know, obviously he brings that to the table, as

765
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 4: we know. But the fact that he was able to

766
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: top four thousand yards passing I think really says something

767
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: because historically a lot of times he's rushing quarterbacks, you

768
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: expect something like thirty six thirty seven hundred passing yards.

769
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 4: He's up over four and that was with his receivers

770
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: being dinged up for a good chunk of the season

771
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 4: and everybody knowing that Hopkins was going to see like

772
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: ten targets a game. I love him. I have him

773
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: at number two. I'm not going to go as far

774
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: as putting him at number one, but it would not

775
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: shock me if he actually outscored Mahomes this year.

776
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: Jeff, I love it. The mention of all the tight ends.

777
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean they have five tight ends named Jordan at

778
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: this point. It's a little ridiculous. Sean, you have him

779
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: ranked number two. I mean we all have him ranked

780
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: in the top two. What are your quick thoughts on Watson?

781
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have ranked two, but I mean I gotta

782
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: be honest. He makes it difficult to use the late

783
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 5: round QB strategy when you know, if he falls to

784
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 5: round six or something, it's awfully attempting to scoop him

785
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: up because you know, I don't think your number one

786
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 5: ranking is too crazy. Last year, again it's sort of

787
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 5: a first case scenario, and he ended up QB four.

788
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: I mean, he was coming back from ACL surgery and

789
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 5: then he had that chest injury he suffered in a

790
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: week five or about five weeks after that, he wasn't

791
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 5: the same. He didn't rush as much. He averrigin only

792
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: fifteen yard during that stretch. I mean it was so

793
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 5: bad he couldn't even fly in the plane with them,

794
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: you know once once they had the bye week to recover.

795
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 5: You know, if he looked closer to one hundred percent,

796
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 5: he was the QB two from weeks eleven through seventeen.

797
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 5: So I think just his upside immense. Like you guys mentioned,

798
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: you know, his receivers were banged up, so I would

799
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 5: assume more you know, injury luck in that aspect, and

800
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: he'll have fuller QT and Hopkins available more often. So

801
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: I just think the guy's limit with him, and I

802
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 5: would almost have him almost the same odds as Mahomes

803
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 5: to be the overall QB one this year. So I think,

804
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 5: you know, taking a guy this early in the draftic QB,

805
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 5: you kind of want QB one upside and he brings

806
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 5: up Raybon.

807
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Watson? Is there any kind

808
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: of like a like post hype type of sleeper possibility

809
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: with him?

810
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I mean listen, will Ford's missed nine games. He

811
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: missed six games the year before, not all of them

812
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: with Watson. But you know will for has barely been

813
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: in the lineup. QT missed a third of the season

814
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: last year. Yes, Hopkins has generally been healthy, but you know,

815
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: the guys have hit on it. We hasn't even seen

816
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: this guy's true upside. The average wide receiver only misses

817
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: about a game the year, so if he just gets

818
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: normal luck, and let's not forget he did this whole

819
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: QB Top five twov thing last year coming off of

820
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: torn a mid season torn acl his upside is silly.

821
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: I think again, like these are the guys if you're

822
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: if you're watching the games, if you're paying attention, don't

823
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: draft the guy with just because he's name value. That's

824
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: just because he's been good for like five, ten, fifteen years.

825
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: That makes you comfortable. Like Deshaun Watson is it. He

826
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: is the truth, and if his receivers stay healthy, he

827
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: will put up a season like Patrick Mahomes. I don't

828
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: have any doubt about that because even in his rookie

829
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: year in twenty seventeen, he only played, he only started

830
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: seven games, but he was on pace over a full

831
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: season for forty eight hundred total yards and forty eight

832
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: touchdown total. So he was right there with that same

833
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of season that Mahomes posted last year. And you know,

834
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is the year one of their tight

835
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: ends is actually good. So you know, you never know

836
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: you have that Deonta Foreman in the fold, so you

837
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: might even be getting you know, the best group of

838
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: weapons health provided that Watson's ever had. So I mean,

839
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: this guy's selling is ridiculous.

840
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: After the top four guys, there's a little bit of

841
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: a tear break in terms of ADP, and then the

842
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: next guy we see is Baker Mayfield going in the

843
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: late six sixth round. Jeff, I'm curious about what your

844
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: thoughts are the addition of Todd Monkin to the offense

845
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: because with Tampa Bay last year we saw a very

846
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: vigorous downfield attack and that seems to suit Mayfield style.

847
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: What do you think we're going to see out of

848
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: him this year?

849
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: It does suit his style.

850
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: My concern is that, you know, anytime we get new

851
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: head coaches and we you know, you could very easily

852
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: have a situation where you get something like a Sean

853
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: McVay scenario where the first year head coach hits the

854
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: ground running. We've seen a couple instances like Matt Naggy

855
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 4: last year is a great example. You know, hit the

856
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: ground running, the team immediately improved. Other times in recent

857
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: history we've seen new coaches struggles. So I don't know

858
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: if we can necessarily just say Freddie Kitchens he's going

859
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: to be the guy and have one hundred percent confidence there.

860
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: And same thing with Monkin, And you don't like here

861
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: on reports that those who aren't meshing per se that

862
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: well or Monkin's not off to a good start, So

863
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 4: it gives me a little bit of pause. Also the

864
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: fact that Baker, if his A dot goes up, if

865
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: he's thrown further downfield on average, his efficiency will suffer

866
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: a little bit. In fact, when we ran models of

867
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: Pro football focus, we did see, you know, instances where

868
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: we could see more interceptions, we could see fewer completions,

869
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: we could see some regression in his overall touchdown efficiency.

870
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: So while a lot of people are all in on

871
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: him and I get it.

872
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: I love him, you know, and he's the personality is infectious,

873
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: the play is good.

874
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 3: There's a lot to like there.

875
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: Taking him as the fifth quarterback off the board is

876
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: too early for my liking. I like him more as

877
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: maybe the seventh, eighth, ninth quarterback off the board, which

878
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: you're probably not going to see because the buzz just

879
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: is built so much with him. So I still think

880
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: he's a QB one like a top twelve quarterback. But

881
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: I just I'm not where everybody else is right now,

882
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 4: I've been ranked a little bit lower.

883
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: Sean, what do you think we're going to see with

884
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 2: the addition of Odell Beckham.

885
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't really poke calls in anything of Mayfield.

886
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: Everything's a positive, and you know, Odell Beckham's presidents will

887
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: only help Mayfield. You know, he likes to spread it around,

888
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: so it's going to leave a lot of other guys

889
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 5: open as well. You know, and Mayfield has some unrealized

890
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: rushing potential too. He kind of underwhelmed in that department

891
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: last year, so I think we could see some positive

892
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 5: regression there. Just I'm afraid of this tier in general,

893
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 5: This this mini tier of Matt Ryan Baker, Mayfield, and

894
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson. I consider them more of a two QB

895
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 5: league tier, so a single QB draft, I'm usually avoiding

896
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: this tier altogether. I have roughly fifteen projected points separating

897
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 5: my QB five to my QB thirteen, so it's just

898
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 5: easier to wait, you know, several rounds to get guys

899
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: that you're not seeing that much of a drop off,

900
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 5: But there's hard to you know, knock on Mayfield's game,

901
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 5: So I just I think his his ADP will only

902
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: go up. So I just I just don't think there's

903
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 5: any plus TV there right now.

904
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: Hey, Sean, you know, you know why you don't like

905
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan, Russell, Wilson, Baker Mayfield tier. Why because

906
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is not supposed to be in that tier.

907
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: I would take him number one. I think he had

908
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: fifty touchdown as that I have literally take him. I

909
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: would take him over my homes right now, like in

910
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: whatever round you asked me for right now.

911
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 5: We have our draft on Monday, so I'm going to

912
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 5: hold you to that.

913
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: You guys are kind of sharp. I might have to

914
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: wait on quarterback in that one, but no, I would.

915
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: I would. I think that he started blossoming when free

916
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: tensions took over. So I think when you're you know, yes,

917
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: Todd Monkin is coming through and whatnot, but I think

918
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: that can only be looked at a positive when you

919
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: look at, you know, the Tampa Bay's numbers. I think

920
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: also that was just a lot of making do with

921
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: what was going on in the situation. I mean, Tampa

922
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: Bay was turning the ball over and they had the

923
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Shawn Jackson and they had James went. But Baker Mayfield

924
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: has shown, you know again second half of the year

925
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: eight point five seven yards per attempt, only a tenth

926
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: of a point behind Patrick Mahomes over that whole second

927
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: half of the season, throwing you know, over nine yards

928
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: in attempt to Rattley and Higgins and Breshat, the ghosts

929
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: of Breshad Perriman and all these guys targeted. Landry Lesson

930
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: knows how to spread the ball around. This guy could

931
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: have a historic season. I think, like, if you're trying

932
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback and it's in that middle tier,

933
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: you're not just going to go extream and wait, like

934
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: you really have to find it. You have to hit

935
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: an outlier like it's not good enough anymore to just

936
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of hit like a solid, you know, top six guy.

937
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: I think you really want that outlier season and that's

938
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: what's going to put you over the top. Baker Mayfield

939
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: might be on his way to break in Patrick Mahomes'

940
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: records this year.

941
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it's not as if I want to

942
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: be the guy who is the Matt Ryan stand here.

943
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: But for a guy who for the past three years,

944
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: two of those years has been a top two fantasy quarterback,

945
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: and as Jeff mentioned, he's come pretty close to getting

946
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: five thousand passing yards a couple of times. He's I mean,

947
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: I grant is that he's not He doesn't seem to

948
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: have the upside that Mayfield has, but on his own

949
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: he's a pretty solid passer and he is reuniting with

950
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: Dirk Cutter for whatever that is worth. And Jeff, I

951
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: would like to get your thoughts on what you think

952
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: that actually might be worth. Is that something that is

953
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: good for Ryan or is that just kind of something

954
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: that seems like a net neutral And we should expect

955
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: from Ryan some sort of average of what we've seen

956
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: out of him for the past four or five years.

957
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: I mean, first and foremost, if Patrick Mahomes didn't do

958
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: what he did last year, and of course we could

959
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: say that, but he did it. But regardless I he

960
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: didn't do that, would we not be talking about Matt

961
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 4: Ryan a whole lot more?

962
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: Right now?

963
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: That was a quiet nine and twenty four passing yards,

964
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: thirty five passing touchdowns, and it's getting widely overlooked. And

965
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 4: you know, the complaint over the last couple of seasons was,

966
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: oh well, Sark, it's all, it's Sark Sark campiona offensive

967
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 4: coordinator at the NFL level. Well, now, I mean Dirk

968
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: Cutter has shown that he can do that. Last year. Hey,

969
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: it wasn't the best of seasons for the Buccaneers, but

970
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 4: there were times where that offense was arguably the most

971
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: explosive or right up there passing offenses in the NFL.

972
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 4: So I think if anything is a good thing for him,

973
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: I want to see the touchdown efficiency continue there, you know.

974
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: I want to see the touch the passing volume continue.

975
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: I love getting Matt Ryan. If I can get him

976
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 4: as the seventh quarterback off the board, which sometimes will happen,

977
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: I will do that. And going back to something that

978
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: Sean said, Deshaun Watson is a guy who I have

979
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: taken in the sixth round a bunch of times. I've

980
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 4: taken Matt Ryan in the eighth round. You know, instead

981
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 4: of waiting and waiting and waiting and playing chicken with people.

982
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 4: If he's there, why not just do it. If it's

983
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: a guy who, as you said, has shown the ability

984
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: to put up a top two Fantasy season more than once.

985
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: All right, Ray Ben, I want to kick it to

986
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: you if you're saying that the sixth round roughly is

987
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: where you are waiting to take Patrick Mahomes. What is

988
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: the round that you're waiting on for someone like Matt Ryan,

989
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: who you think has a very limited upside.

990
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he has limited upside. I think he's

991
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: shown he has the upset. I think with him, he's

992
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: another one of those guys that I think has a

993
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: lower floor than we think. And because he's kind of

994
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: a household name, larger track record, people feel more comfortable

995
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: taking him than maybe a guy like Baker Mayfield. But

996
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: I think it's silly not to pay attention to Matt

997
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: Ryan's career arc. Okay, because you guys mentioned Dirk Cutter,

998
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator. Well, the last four seasons, we've

999
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of seen Matt Ryan go up and down. What's

1000
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: been the one similar point between his two down seasons.

1001
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: It's been his first year with a new offensive coordinator. Yes,

1002
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: I know he's worked with Cutter before, but it is

1003
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: a disturbing trend of him kind of being a little

1004
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: slow to kind of readjust to these changes in scheme,

1005
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: and I think that kind of mirrors who Matt Ryan

1006
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: is as a quarterback. He's a little bit by the book.

1007
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: He's very smart, but also a little bit robotic. Not

1008
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: really a guy that's gonna make off schedule, off script plays,

1009
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: not a guy that's going to give you a lot

1010
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: of rushing upside. So could Matt Ryan, you know, have

1011
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: a ceiling year with five k yards and thirty five

1012
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: to forty touchdowns, Absolutely, but I think the floor is

1013
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: still you know, twenty touchdowns and fifteen picks and everyone

1014
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: going ahead.

1015
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: All right, Sean, what are your thoughts here?

1016
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 5: I would say that last year was closer to his

1017
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 5: ceiling league ceiling season. You know, they lost three key

1018
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 5: players on defense I think by week two, so they

1019
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: were kind of forced to throw a bit more to

1020
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 5: keep up. So I think last year is closer to

1021
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 5: the ceiling than we realize. But with Matt Ryan, you know,

1022
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 5: he's just a solid, high floor guy. So I don't

1023
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 5: like reaching for high floor qbs this early in the draft,

1024
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: so I'm avoiding him in single QB. But like I mentioned,

1025
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: in two QB leagues, he's the ideal guy I want

1026
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 5: to take early on. I try to get a high

1027
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 5: floor guy in two QB leagues. You know, he doesn't

1028
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 5: provide much rushing stats, but on the flip side, it

1029
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 5: keeps him healthy. He's He's had what nine straight seasons

1030
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: playing all sixteen games, So I think he's just one

1031
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 5: of those steady qbs you can rely on, stay healthy

1032
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 5: and put up solid numbers when he's in there, but

1033
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 5: he won't necessarily win your league, so I'm not spending

1034
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 5: high draft capital on him in single QB leagues.

1035
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so those are the top six. In the middle

1036
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 2: of the sentence round, we have Russell Wilson, Jeff, I'd

1037
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: like to get your thoughts on what we might expect

1038
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: to see out of that offense. In that Schottenheimer offense,

1039
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: it was a run heavy scheme last year, the most

1040
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: run heavy offense in the league excepting, of course, the

1041
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens once Lamar Miller came in as the starting quarterback.

1042
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: But what do you think we're going to see out

1043
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: of that offense in terms of the run pass split.

1044
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: A lot of what we saw last year.

1045
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 4: And I think it's really fascinating that they get DK

1046
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: metcalf In and I will not call him Greg Jennings.

1047
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: I will not call him Greg Jennings, Gary Jennings. They

1048
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: get guys who can get downfield so I think that's

1049
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: going to be interesting. Are they using the run to

1050
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 4: collapse the defense to then get vertical on the defense

1051
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: because we know Russ has a nice deep ball. The problem,

1052
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: of course, is it's going to be a continuation of

1053
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: lower pass volumes. So that's going to hurt, you know,

1054
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: his overall ceiling. But I don't have a problem with

1055
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 4: where he's going. Per se He's another one. If he

1056
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: falls far enough, I'll take him, but I'm not you know,

1057
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: necessarily you know, scooping him up at ADP.

1058
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: Sean, can you talk about what you see out of

1059
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson? Raymond and I both have him ranked to

1060
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: number ten. You have him number seven. What are your

1061
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: thoughts on him?

1062
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean, similar to you guys, I'm not

1063
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 5: expecting him to maintain his efficiency from last year, so

1064
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 5: I'm actually factoring a ton of regression in his rate stats,

1065
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 5: but I'm still giving a bit of a boost and attempts.

1066
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 5: I think that will aggress up also, and I think

1067
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 5: it's more of a balancing act where you know, if

1068
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 5: he's not as efficient, they won't be able to run

1069
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 5: as much, you know, So I think with him, you're

1070
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 5: going to balance things out and you're going to get

1071
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: QB one production out of him, you know, So my

1072
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 5: projections are pretty modest, and he's still coming in at

1073
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 5: QB seven. I don't really like his upside in this range,

1074
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 5: so I've been avoiding him. But I'm only giving him,

1075
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 5: you know, twenty seven pass touchdowns, four hundred rushing yards,

1076
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 5: and a touchdown and a half. So I'm just curious

1077
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 5: to hear why you guys are so low on him,

1078
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: because I feel like I'm being pretty conservative of his

1079
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 5: projection and he's still showing up QB seven for me.

1080
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: For me, it's just you know, as you guys have

1081
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned thirty five touchdowns in four hundred and

1082
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: twenty seven pass attempts. I mean, he's kind of mirroring

1083
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck in a way, except without all of the

1084
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: past attempts. You know, also rushing less, Witch could regress

1085
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: back to the norm. But also you know, he is

1086
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: thirty now, they are paying him exorbitant sums of money. Now.

1087
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: Their whole roster is especially essentially made in the image

1088
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson because they've had a let that pretty

1089
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: much almost everyone else go and just kind of reacquire

1090
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: and keep recycling cheaper guys at younger guys because they

1091
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: have they're paying Russell Wilson someonech so they might just

1092
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: not want him to run. This is not just something

1093
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: where it's like a blip on the radar, like we've

1094
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: seen him maintain efficiency but also just maintain a low

1095
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: pass volume. You know, in the past, I mean five

1096
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: times in his career he's been under five hundred. Three

1097
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: times he's been under four hundred and fifty, including last

1098
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: year with four twenty seven. So I just think that

1099
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: the way they love, you know, Pete Carroll still loves

1100
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: Chris Carson, who I think is at this point the

1101
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: best value in the Seattle offense because now he's fallen

1102
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: to the fifth, sixth round in some drafts, but Carol

1103
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: loves Carson. Rashad Penny's a better back than than you know,

1104
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: his playing time indicated last year. He just couldn't see

1105
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: the field at times. But yes, their defense won't be

1106
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: that good, but that's part of the reason they're running

1107
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: the ball. And if these running backs just jam in

1108
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of touchdowns, Wilson could easily get down to

1109
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns. He's also with his guy without Doug Baldwin,

1110
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of things kind of

1111
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: not to really like about Wilson. They'll they'll win ugly

1112
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: if they have to. So I just I agree with Sean.

1113
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's where he's going. I don't

1114
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: think it's a high upside pick. I'd rather for that

1115
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: for all that, I'd rather just, you know, take a

1116
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: Watson a little bit earlier.

1117
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: Are going in that same draft range. Is Drew Brees

1118
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: in the middle of the seventh round. Jeff, what do

1119
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: you think we should expect to see out of the

1120
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: Saints For the past couple of seasons? They've been more

1121
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: of a run heavy team ars For the first decade

1122
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: that Drew Brees had in New Orleans, that was a

1123
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: very past heavy offense that we saw. What do you

1124
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: think we're gonna see now?

1125
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 4: Still more of you know what we saw the past

1126
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: couple of seasons. It'll be a whole heck of a

1127
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: lot of passing attempts. To Michael Thomas, I do like

1128
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: me some Jared Cook. I will say that I especially

1129
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: like where he's going in drafts. But the era where

1130
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: we could almost ink Drew Brees in for five thousand Yeah,

1131
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 4: that's long, long, long past. But in that same vein,

1132
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 4: he's one of those higher floor quarterbacks who you know

1133
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 4: Sean mentioned. I think it's a great point that really

1134
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: needs to be taken in. If you're in two quarterback leagues,

1135
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: at least one of those guys, being a high floor

1136
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 4: guy is pretty optimal, and Breeze fits the bill for

1137
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 4: that at this point in his career.

1138
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: All right, So the middle of the seventh round that

1139
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: seems pretty aggressive for a guy who isn't seen the

1140
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: passing volume that he saw previously. And Sean, all of us,

1141
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: all three of us for Action Network, we have him

1142
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: ranked outside of the top twelve. So taking him at

1143
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: quarterback eight seems pretty aggressive. You are the highest on him.

1144
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: You have him ranked thirteenth, Raymond, and I have him

1145
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 2: fifteenth and seventeenth. What are your thoughts on Breeze.

1146
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I still have him, you know, four to

1147
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 5: five rounds later than his ADP. So I'm basically getting

1148
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 5: no Breeze this year, and I think with him his

1149
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 5: overall numbers should be fine. But last year he surprisingly

1150
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 5: had a pretty low floor. It was about twenty five

1151
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 5: percent of the games he finished outside of the top

1152
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 5: twenty kbs, and you know when it comes ahead to head,

1153
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 5: I always like to emphasize this just based on you know,

1154
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 5: DFS strategy. But you know a lot of people talk

1155
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 5: about head to head fans football like you know, they're

1156
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 5: trying to beat the entire league any given week, but

1157
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: in reality, you're facing just one opponent. So I typically

1158
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 5: like high flour players week to week, and you know,

1159
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 5: simulating out the season, I found that, you know, breeze

1160
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 5: At that sort of erratic production actually hurts you. So

1161
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 5: you know, he's a guy I'm avoiding just based on

1162
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 5: his week to week volatility. Whereas you know, by the

1163
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 5: end of the year his numbers might look good, but

1164
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 5: he's you know, he's such a high volatile player now

1165
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 5: where if they get up early and just run the ball.

1166
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 5: You know, you saw plenty of games where he had

1167
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 5: under two hundred passing maybe zero touchdown. I'm always worried

1168
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 5: that they're going to start to incorporate Taysom Hill even

1169
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: more so. He's just the guy I'm avoiding completely this year.

1170
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Raybon, I want to kick it to you to talk

1171
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 2: about Cam Newton. He's the guy who's going next off

1172
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: the board every year in which he's been healthy, He's

1173
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: been a top five fantasy quarterback. Sean and I have

1174
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 2: him ranked in the top ten. You have him ranked

1175
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: number fifteen. Can you talk a little bit about what

1176
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: you expect at a Newton this year.

1177
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know, the way I kind of project

1178
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: and rank is I do kind of account for, you know,

1179
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: off season injuries, and because I know a lot of

1180
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: people are drafting using these rankings to draft for best ball,

1181
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: I will kind of not guys down a little bit

1182
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: until we kind of know that they're fully ready to go.

1183
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: So that was kind of my process with Luck last year.

1184
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: He obviously outperformed that, so I could have done to

1185
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: be more aggressive. But at the end of the day,

1186
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: this tends to help me more times than it hurts

1187
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: with these kind of guys. But I think if Newton,

1188
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: you know, is who he is and he's good off

1189
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury, I think you're gonna get the same

1190
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: old Cam Newton yet again, and he will be another

1191
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: guy that you can rely on. But just right now,

1192
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: I think there are a few red flags just in

1193
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: terms of you know, probably going to to you know,

1194
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: getting older, probably going you know, if he's not gonna

1195
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: want to run a tiny bit less. The team is

1196
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: going to continue to want that. He is getting better

1197
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: weapons around him, but which you know is good for

1198
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: him as a passer, but as a guy who always

1199
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: made his living on that rushing I think not necessarily

1200
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: the best thing for Fantasy now. He does sometimes drop

1201
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: to you know that tenth, eleventh, twelfth, sometimes even further

1202
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: than that quarterback taken, at which point I think you

1203
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: go right ahead and scoop that up. He's just one

1204
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: of kind of many guys this year that I think

1205
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: could put up similar production with rushing upside. You know,

1206
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: you have a guy like Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen was

1207
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: the top quarterback in Fantasy over the last four weeks

1208
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: of the season. You still have a guy like that Prescott,

1209
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: who were kind of forgetting about but who you know,

1210
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: has a lot of weapons around him now, and a

1211
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: guy who has kind of been pretty consistent as well.

1212
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: So there are just a lot of guys that I

1213
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: think could replicate Cam's production, which is the only reason

1214
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: I have him lower a little lower, because he's the

1215
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: guy that happens to be Hitlito nicked up Jeff.

1216
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna see Cam Newton in his second year in

1217
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: Nord Turner's offense, and you know, I'm expecting there to

1218
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: be some development out of two receivers I really like

1219
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: in Dj Moore and Curtis Samuel. What are your thoughts

1220
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: on Newton for this season?

1221
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: Fantasy players love to hate him. You know, there are

1222
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 4: certain guys that no matter what they do on the field,

1223
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: no matter what Jordan Howard does on the field, for

1224
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 4: some reason, every freaking year, people will think he's going

1225
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: to be phenomenal and I don't get that one And

1226
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: the same thing like opposite with Cam Newton, and what

1227
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 4: I liked about him last year is, yes, the rushing

1228
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: production isn't what we saw, you know, maybe earlier in

1229
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: his career, but he's still topped one hundred rushing attempts

1230
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 4: in those fourteen games. He had at least two passing

1231
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: scores in eleven consecutive games though from Week two to

1232
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 4: week third team, so you had that. You didn't have

1233
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 4: the passing yardage, not massing massive passage passing yardage numbers,

1234
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: but you mentioned DJ Moore, who yes, super exciting, poised

1235
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 4: to break out. Curtis Samuel with his upside, you still

1236
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 4: have the stability with Greg Olsen if you can stay healthy,

1237
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 4: they have a bunch of pieces as to who could

1238
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 4: be that number three receiver as well, and then McCaffrey there.

1239
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: I think all of this really helps do out and

1240
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: and what Raybond said, it really rings true. If Newton

1241
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 4: falls to like the eleventh or twelfth quarterback, I mean

1242
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 4: it's almost a no brainer. You know you're getting him

1243
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: for you know, pennies on the dollar ultimately there on

1244
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 4: draft day, So I have no issue with it whatsoever.

1245
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Jeff brings up a really good point.

1246
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: There's a there's a pretty important kind of like swing

1247
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: point in the draft where you don't want to kind

1248
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: of get tricked into taking a quarterback that Matt Ryan,

1249
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: that that Drew Brees here, Like don't take at the

1250
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: top or the front of that tier, you know, wait

1251
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: and take at the back of that tier, because yeah,

1252
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna go like set than eight nine.

1253
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: But guess what if they go seventy nine, you guess

1254
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna get like ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, Jared Goff,

1255
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and guys like that. So I think you

1256
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: really can afford to kind of wait once it gets

1257
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: past you know, those that top six. Once those guys

1258
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: are off the board, I don't think you need to

1259
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: reach on a breeze or something, because I mean, who's

1260
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: to say that a guy like Ben Roethlisberger can't replicate

1261
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: the production of a breeze or a Matt Ryan. There's

1262
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: guys up to about that QB twenty range that could

1263
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: replicate the production of these guys in the sixth to

1264
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: weight range. And I don't think the floors are drastically different.

1265
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: In fact, some of the floors are probably lower for

1266
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: the guys in that six through ten range, just because

1267
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: you're taking them there. A lot of these guys. You

1268
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: can see the floors. It's just that they kind of

1269
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: feel reliable. When it feels like you wait a lone enough,

1270
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake.

1271
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: Sean Raybond mentioned earlier Carson Wentz as someone who can

1272
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: be an alternative to Cam Newton. And he's going off

1273
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: the board next is the tenth quarterback early in the

1274
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: ninth round. Presumably he's finally healthy. He has a lot

1275
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: of pass catching options in Philadelphia. What are your thoughts

1276
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: on him?

1277
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wentz is tricky, you know, like you mentioned he

1278
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 5: has a ton of pass catching options. You know, he

1279
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 5: seems to be healthy going in this year, and I

1280
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 5: think with Nick Foles gone, I think it'll help, you know,

1281
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 5: keep him on the field. I think he's going to

1282
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 5: be kind of forced to play when he's not one

1283
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 5: hundred percent. So I think, you know, we can bank

1284
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 5: on a sixteen game season from him. But with Wentz,

1285
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if we're going to ever see that

1286
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 5: rushing upside he flashed twenty seventeen before the ACL tear.

1287
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 5: So that's why I'm attle hesitant taking him here when

1288
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 5: you have, you know, Kyler Murray being drafted around this range.

1289
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 5: So I think in this range, if I'm a swinging

1290
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 5: for the fences, I'd rather go with Kyler Murray. But

1291
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 5: you know, Carson Wentz could be a steal in round

1292
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 5: nine if he does regain that twenty seventeen rushing for him,

1293
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 5: But I'm just not banking on it.

1294
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: Jeff, what do you think are we going to see

1295
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: that rushing potential out of Carson Wentz?

1296
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 3: I don't want to bank on that at all.

1297
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the uide with Carson Wentz is

1298
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 4: with his arm, not necessarily his legs that obviously you know,

1299
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 4: got that that was really the start of the entire

1300
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: problem there. So hopefully they keep the reins on that.

1301
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 4: But just the weapons that they have, you know, you

1302
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 4: keep going back to that with Philadelphia, and plus the

1303
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 4: fact that you know, for what I said about Jordan

1304
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: Howard earlier, the fact that they get Miles Sanders, who

1305
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 4: I'm really excited about as a pass catcher out of

1306
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 4: the backfield, adds that that one element that they were

1307
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 4: really missing because they really had just a bunch of

1308
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 4: Jags back there, you know, who really couldn't do that

1309
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 4: much for them. So I mean, with Wentz, I'm fine

1310
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 4: where he is. I don't think that we're going to

1311
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 4: see a return to the massive numbers of twenty seventeen

1312
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 4: where he was the number two fantasy quarterback before he

1313
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 4: got hurt. But in the same right, I could certainly

1314
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 4: see him returning to a top twelve.

1315
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: What about Jared Goff, He's the guy going off the

1316
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: board and next as the eleventh quarterback in the same

1317
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: draft range early in around nine. What are your thoughts

1318
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: on him? Obviously there are questions around Cooper Cup and

1319
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 2: Todd Gurley and their health, and then there's also question

1320
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: kind of like who gets more of the credit for

1321
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: what has happened, golf or McVeigh, And can you kind

1322
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: of separate the quarterback from the system he's playing in.

1323
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 4: Or is it the weather? Yeah, December, I don't know.

1324
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if I have Jared Goff. I don't

1325
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 4: know how confident I am once the weather cools off

1326
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 4: and his you know whatever, nine in a quarter, inch

1327
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: hands or grip in the football. But you know, ultimately

1328
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 4: a lot of this is McVeigh Goff. I'm glad to

1329
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 4: see that. You know, he really proved a lot of

1330
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: the doubters wrong with what he's been able to do,

1331
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 4: you know, really even over the last two seasons here,

1332
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: because let's not forget there were a couple you know,

1333
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 4: first overall finishes, including Week sixteen in twenty seventeen, that

1334
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 4: he put up. I like the fact that largely he

1335
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 4: does get a little bit overlooked. You know, there's sometimes

1336
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 4: where these guys in this range of ADP, some will

1337
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 4: slip through the crack, some will hang around just a

1338
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 4: little bit longer. Depends on how folks draft in your league,

1339
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 4: and if you can get him outside of the top

1340
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 4: twelve quarterbacks. I pounce all day long. I'm not going

1341
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 4: to reach for him by any means. But you know,

1342
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 4: you mentioned all the weapons. The system is just so

1343
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: conducive to creating mismatches that I think he's you know,

1344
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 4: set up for another strong year.

1345
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: Raybow, what do you think on him?

1346
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with Jeff. I think that, you know,

1347
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: Jared Goff could be a horrible you know pick as

1348
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback nine, but an amazing pick as the QB twelve.

1349
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: There's really just a swing point in that point of

1350
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: the draft where if you're in a one QB league

1351
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: there is more supply of these high upside guys, then

1352
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be demands for them. If you look at

1353
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. Now again, you know, yes, there is some

1354
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: concern about Cooper Cup coming off the ACL injury, but but'

1355
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: also remember, on average, the receivers are only going to

1356
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: miss about, you know, about game and a half or so,

1357
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: usually maybe just a game. So as long as he's back,

1358
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: it's not like he's necessarily going to be you know,

1359
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: out of the lineup. And you know, over these last

1360
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: two years in the Sean McVay era, twenty three regular

1361
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: season games with Cooper Cup in the lineup, Jared Goff

1362
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: has averaged eight point six pass yards per attempt in

1363
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: eight games. With Cup out, He's down to only seven

1364
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: point three. So essentially he goes from you know, a

1365
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: league average quarterback without Cooper Cup in the lineup to

1366
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: a you know, future Hall of famer, you know in

1367
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: ther yards per attempt that is with Cup in the lineup.

1368
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: And I think Darryl Henderson, the rookie, the third rounder

1369
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: running back, as another threat that can take one to

1370
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: the house. So it's a really high ceiling proposition to

1371
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: draft Golfin. He's just one of the reasons why I

1372
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: like passing on that, you know, Breeze, Ryan Wilson tier

1373
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: and just waiting because he's one of like Goff Wentz.

1374
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: Perhaps Kyler Murray even one of those guys going to

1375
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: fall to you outside of the top twelve.

1376
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: All right, Well, speaking of top twelve, Kyler Murray is

1377
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: the guy going off the board as the twelfth quarterback. Jeff,

1378
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 2: I would like to get your thoughts because there is

1379
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: a pretty big divide, I would say, in the Action

1380
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: Network projection population when it comes to Kyler Murray, Raybond

1381
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: and I are very bullish on him. We have him

1382
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: ranked inside our top four. There's a mini battle between

1383
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 2: Rayvaughn and I to see which one of us can

1384
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: be more ridiculous in ranking him higher, and then Sean

1385
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: to balance us out. As Murray projected a number twelve. Sean,

1386
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: by the way, one of the best projectionists in the world.

1387
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: Probably he's correct, but I'm going to be adamant that

1388
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: I think Murray is someone who should be targeted very

1389
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: aggressively this year. Where are you coming down on Kyler Murray?

1390
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: Because I should just say I think he's the dream.

1391
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: He is a highly efficient passing quarterback who can also run,

1392
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: and he's going to be playing in a fast paced,

1393
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: pass heavy offense like that is the dream. But what

1394
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: are your thoughts?

1395
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 4: Well, I tend to be a little bit more conservative.

1396
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 4: I actually have him in the exact same spot as

1397
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: Sean at twelve. But I mean, I think there's a

1398
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: lot of assumptions that we have to make that I

1399
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: don't know if I want to make you know the

1400
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 4: thing about Kingsbury, it could be a high paced, exciting offense.

1401
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: That's part of the range of expectations. But also in

1402
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 4: that range of expectation. The very bottom end is it

1403
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 4: could be Chip Kelly two point zero. Like all of

1404
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 4: these things are possible, we need to keep that in consideration.

1405
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 4: But what do you have with Kyler Murray? Yes, the

1406
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 4: dynamic running ability, the fact that he can make big

1407
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 4: boy throws. He isn't quite Baker from that regard, but

1408
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 4: that offense didn't really look that much different with Kyler

1409
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 4: under center. He is every bit of five foot ten.

1410
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 4: Though I stood next to him. I was fortunate enough

1411
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 4: to meet him the day after he won the Heisman

1412
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 4: at CBS, and I stand about six foot two and

1413
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 4: I towered over him.

1414
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 3: So that is a concern.

1415
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 4: It's not as big of a concern as it would

1416
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 4: have been twenty years ago, but it's something that I

1417
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 4: do factor in a little bit.

1418
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: There.

1419
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Plus all the uncertainties at wide receiver, I'd love to

1420
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 4: see Christian Kirk take a step forward.

1421
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 3: I'm not convinced, to you convinced he will. I think he.

1422
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 4: Will, but I'm not, you know all in I like

1423
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 4: the rookies. I don't think Andy Isabelle is going to

1424
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 4: see the field a time with Larry Fitzgerald there, So

1425
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: Keen Butler's going to be on the field who I love,

1426
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 4: But I don't know if he's going to make an

1427
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 4: immediate impact. So there's a lot of question marks, right,

1428
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 4: There's a lot of question marks. So that's why I

1429
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: kind of I'm not as bullish as you. I think,

1430
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 4: reasonably the twelve is reasonably bullish for a rookie quarterback.

1431
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in all fairness, this is the highest that,

1432
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: I mean that I can remember a rookie quarterback being drafted.

1433
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: Most people are a little more cognizant of being aware

1434
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: of the short falls that we often see with rookie quarterbacks.

1435
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: But Sean, okay, talk to us. You have him ranked twelve.

1436
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean you're wrong, But yeah, well go ahead, what

1437
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: do you What do you see out of him?

1438
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 5: I mean, just because I don't have him in the

1439
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 5: top five like you guys, doesn't mean I don't like him.

1440
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm just trying to hold down the

1441
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 5: fort as long as possible here, and you know, I'm

1442
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 5: going with you guys at the Kyler Murray cult meetings.

1443
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 5: I'm just hanging out outside and getting a drink of

1444
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 5: the after but I'm trying not to go in. Who

1445
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 5: knows I might join you guys soon. But you know,

1446
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 5: when it comes to Kyler Murray right now, you know,

1447
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 5: if he falls of the ninth I'm taking him in

1448
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 5: every draft. I think that's sort of my draft processes.

1449
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 5: If Deshaun Watson falls to me in the sixth, I

1450
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 5: take him. If Kyler Murray falls to me in the ninth,

1451
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 5: I take him. If not, I just scroup up a

1452
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 5: Jameis Winston, dot Press car Lamar Jackson later. So you know,

1453
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray has QB one overall upside and getting him,

1454
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 5: you know, in the ninth round is too good to

1455
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: pass up. When it comes to, you know, the preseason

1456
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 5: coming up, I'm a little bit worried if they come

1457
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 5: out firing right away that his ADP might rise, So

1458
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 5: I'll act accordingly. But do you guys think that they're

1459
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 5: gonna unleash the raid right away or do you think

1460
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 5: they'll kind of hide that in the preseason. You know,

1461
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to predict what is ADP is going

1462
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 5: to do once people see this offense in action.

1463
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think as the ADP is

1464
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 2: going to continue to rise, it's already risen throughout the offseason,

1465
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: and as Yeah, as we see some preseason games, I

1466
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 2: think there's going to be enough excitement there to continue

1467
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: to boost his draft stock. Raymond, what do you think

1468
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: is going to happen with his draft stock? And then

1469
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: just kind of big picture, what do you see now

1470
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray?

1471
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: I think his draft stock probably will rise because what

1472
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: is it. It's barely July and here all of us

1473
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: are talking about how you know Kyler Murray COLT meetings

1474
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: and thinking him in the top five, and so his

1475
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: draft stock is sure to rise. I think the preseason

1476
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: he'll just be highly volatile either way. Like if he

1477
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: throws an interception, which I hope he does, I think

1478
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: his draft stock will probably take the biggest hit of

1479
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: anyone whoever threw an interception in the preseason. But if

1480
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: he throws a touchdown, I think the same thing will happen.

1481
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think he's going to be highly

1482
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: sensitive in that area. But bigger pitcher, I think this

1483
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: is another one of those guys who has that outlier

1484
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: potential and you're getting him at a point in the

1485
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: draft where usually eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve quarterbacks have

1486
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: come off the board already. I think this is the

1487
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: guy that you want to pull the trigger on because yeah,

1488
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, he has everything in place. He has the talent,

1489
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: he has the rushing ability, he has the coach. It's

1490
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: all potential. But this is how you win in fantasy football,

1491
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: This is how you win in betting, This is how

1492
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: you win in anything where you're kind of speculating. You

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Speaker 1: have to be ahead of the curve. You have to

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Speaker 1: buy low. This is still buying low on Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: when you're getting him as a QB eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 1: you're getting him in the eighth, ninth round. So think

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Speaker 1: about it this way. What is kind of Murray's ADP

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Speaker 1: likely to do between this season and next season? Like

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Speaker 1: most people, even if they're kind of a little bit

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Speaker 1: conservative on him, would agree that it will likely go up. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what. Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, these are

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Speaker 1: just some of the guys who had monstered you know, big,

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Speaker 1: big years as rookies. They didn't the mobile quarterbacks in general.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about this on the Action Network and discussing

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and how they were foolish for sitting him in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. But these mobile quarterbacks, it doesn't really take

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Speaker 1: that second year for them to flourish, especially for fantasy purposes.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing these guys do with Dak Prescott. Even these

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Speaker 1: guys are doing it right away, And so I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: hesitate to pull the trigger on Murray pretty much anytime

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Speaker 1: he falls to me after I got my backs and receivers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I kind of like where a consensus rink

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Speaker 5: is right now, and I'm playing around with our customizable

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Speaker 5: draft sheet, which should be available next week, and we

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Speaker 5: have color Murray going in the late second round in

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Speaker 5: two QB format.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, thank you so much for joining us. Is there

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Speaker 2: anything going on at PFF that you want to talk

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Speaker 2: to us about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of goodies. Of course.

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Speaker 2: All right, be sure to follow Jeff on Twitter at

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Speaker 2: Jeff Ratcliffe. You can follow Sean, Chris and Me and

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