WEBVTT - The Black Cat Named Sabotage: Spooky Week #2 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:12.000 Oh oh no, there's that monster coming to kill me 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:19.599 with his fentinel knife. Ah, it got me, what a bummer. Welcome, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.079 Welcome to Spooky Week when we're talking about all of 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.840 the scariest things. A podcast with foreshadowing that is foreshadowing. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:32.319 That's right, twent Deputy Garrison Davis. But I'm fentinel by 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.760 being near it on theastume seventeen knock as Yep, it 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:43.600 was very scary. Thank you, very very very spooky. Yeah. Ah, 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.879 it's good. It's good too. It's good to be it's 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.080 good to be back with Spooky Week. All right, So 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.680 this episode, I believe Chris has something very special prepared 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.600 for us. Yes, so this just today we we are 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.440 talking about one of the the most immediately recognizable and 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.160 enduring embols of Halloween and one of the things that 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.200 I've had to spend the most time cropping out of 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.080 party invitations when I was sending them to kids. Oh no, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:14.760 we're talking talking other other iconic Yeah, well this is 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.240 the one, like like specifically, I just spent a lot 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.119 of time cropping this out of I fucking like party 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.959 invitations people, because if like you're you're in, you're in 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.800 your like fucking shitty Christian suburb. And if you send 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.840 a kid home with an invitation that has a that 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.119 has a black cat on it, uh, their parents will 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:30.720 pull them out of public school because of the like 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:35.320 the rising threat of Satanism. Better to stick to the 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.399 tried and true, you know, like put the Uni bomber 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.960 on it or something. Yeah, you got you gotta lots 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.160 of nice stars. Put some crosses on it instead, but 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.080 like a cornucopia. Make sure it's like called like a 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.760 harvest festival or some bullshit. Yeah, oh yeah, harvest festival. Yeah, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.760 come to my fucking pentagram potty or your party sack. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.880 So yeah, we're talking about the black cat um And ironically, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.360 the black cats association with witchcraft is actually this is 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:07.320 the Catholic Church's fault, as are many things. Only bad 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:12.640 thing they've ever done. They even created Protestantism. It's a 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:17.360 it's a real issue, so true. So okay, So Pope 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.880 Pope Gregory the ninth May Cats eternally feast on his soul. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.840 It took took office of the Pope in twelve and 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.760 six years later and in It's in in twelve thirty three, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.959 he issues his first papal bull. This is This bull 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.600 is called vox in Rama and Fox and Rama is 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.920 essentially like it's a giant anti witchcraft bull that is 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:42.079 designed to like what do you mean by bull like people? People? 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.040 Bulls are these like orders basically that are like declared 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.079 by the Pope and they turn into sort of like 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.919 they have this sort of legal status that they're there 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.519 they determined what sort of church doctor in church positions, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.840 because it's it's basically like it's like it's like it's 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.160 like an executive order for the pope. Okay, all right, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.960 and they could just do this and so they do 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.720 this a lot, and yeah, this this is the sort 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.160 of anti witchcraft one because he's trying to rally support 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.160 for like stamping out a bunch of heretics in Germany 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.720 for the crime of like not believing in Catholic doctrine 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.320 and giving all their money to the pope. So this 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.200 bull like directly links cats to Satanic rituals. There's this 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:27.080 whole thing about like half cat like half people. This 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:31.400 is what we are back to iconic Transgirl, Halloween invertry, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.120 false circled. There are no new moral panics. This is 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.520 a fucking furry panic and like twelve thirty three. It's 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:44.000 it's amazing, it's cat girls kill God. Yeah. Unfortunately the 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.080 product of this is that you know, like that this this, this, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.440 this space, here's it's off to the races, right, black 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.760 hats have become associated with witchcraft and then sort of 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.400 in general with bad luck, and you get this whole 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.280 sort of like you know, crossing a black cat like 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.000 bringing bad luck, and this is really sort of devastating 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.800 real world effect on cats. Like m hmm yeah, like 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.320 I mean like like throughout your like from this point on, 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.160 like periodically they're just mass killings of cats in Europe 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.600 because like these people are fucking barbarians and savages who 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.960 like should never have been allowed to like leave their 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.320 stone huts. Um. When I was getting a while ago, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.680 when I was getting some childhood cats, we were talking 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.160 to the cat agency and we learned that they don't 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.000 allow people to adopt to black cats during October because 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.600 people either buy them as props and then like to 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.000 get rid of them or just like abuse them. Um, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.440 it's it sucks. It's like an actual problem. And are 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.279 we going to get to the Great cat massacre? No? 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.520 What is the Great cat Massacre? It sounds like that 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.480 sounds like a sequel to that, to that mouse Sherlock 0:04:54.520 --> 0:05:02.480 Holmes movie that Disney made, the extremely dark version. Yeah. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.120 The Great Cat Maskers a book by Robert Johnson. It's 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.919 like a it's a very click. If you're doing a 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.880 history graduate degree and you're reading like these sort of 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.920 histories of everyday life or like histories of popular laughter, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.640 you will read The Great Cat Massacre and he details 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.480 how like basically in France, I can't remember when, but 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.159 these printers apprentices were like the apprentices lived with the 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.120 printer right, and the prince's wife also had a bunch 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.640 of cats, which he cared for much better than the apprentices. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:37.720 So they got mad and started doing cat murders. They 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.880 put the cats on trial and convicted them of witchcraft. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:48.039 Wait wait, this was like judicial murder. Yes, yeah, they 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.000 sent it to cats to death by I think they 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.480 hung them or something. Oh my god, did the cats 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:59.600 have like a defense attorney? Like what you're you're supposed 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.000 to have an a kid at a witch cat trial, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.440 so one would hope, but unfortunately, my guest though, is 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.080 if you're probably gonna get another cat, which is like 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.560 not a great defense attorney no, they don't get a 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.400 single fuck. I don't know they could. They could really 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.479 funk up your face or something if they just you know, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.000 when close out. I don't know if the cats had 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.760 a defense turned. It's an excellent question if someone's read 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.040 it more recently than me. This is this is reminding 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.159 me of that that great poster someone took about Vets 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.760 Office that was like fighting cats. It's like, don't fight 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:35.080 fair use drugs one. Yeah, yes, but you know, okay, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.240 my piece of advice to you is don't fight fair. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.800 Yeah during these drokes. Yeah, it's great, it's it's good. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.760 It's it's good general advice. And put him in your 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:49.839 Halloween sweets. Yeah yeah, foreshadowing. Yeah. So, according to a 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.839 study from the Journal Animals, black cats have the highest 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.200 rate of Usian Houston, Asia and shelters and have lower 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.200 rates of adoption, like have the lowest rate of adoption 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.360 among all fur colors, which is like extremely fucked up. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.080 And it's also like the number of cats that we 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:09.960 euthanize every year is just so bleak, it's very sad. Yeah. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:15.760 So that funk the Catholic Church. This is their fault somehow, However, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.000 Comma for millions of people across space and time. The 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.720 black cat has met something else entirely. This black cat, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.040 with its fur raised and back arched, is the bringer 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.000 of the class war, the herald of the new world, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:34.560 and its name is sabotage. And okay, song about it. Yeah, 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.720 and before before before we get into how the Sabo 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.280 tabby or the Sabo kitty became associated with sabotage, we 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.760 have to talk about what sabotage actually is. And the 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.440 reason we have to do this is because sabotage like 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.080 does not mean the same thing now as it did 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.800 when the term was coined. So if you look at 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.800 sort of the modern definition of sabotage, it's it's almost 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.240 entirely focused about sort of the physical destruction of property, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.360 like here's here's maryam Webster's definition, for example, destruction of 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.480 employers property such as tools or materials, or the hindering 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:07.000 of manufacturing by discontented workers, to destruction or obstructive action 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.320 carried on by a civilian or enemy agent to hinder 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.520 in nation's war efforts. And okay, so part of part 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.720 of the reason why sabbog why everyone thinks about sabotage 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.800 is sort of like a physical act of destruction. Has 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.960 to do with the sort of folk etymology of you 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.120 know where the word sabotage came from, which is supposedly 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.000 dates back to these like early French workers throwing these 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.480 wooden shoes called sabots it's like machines to break them. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.240 And the problem is that this sort of just isn't true. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:37.240 Um Like, there there's no direct evidence that anyone sabotaged 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.439 machines by throwing your shoes into them, which seems like 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.800 kind of a kind of inefficient way to grab a stick, right, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.679 like you you need your shoes to walk on. And 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.160 the everthing is that people who put cats on trial, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.440 they weren't always thinking in straight lines. That's true that well, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.400 at least this is the eighteen hundreds, so hopefully, hopefully 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.959 we're slightly past the cat trials. But what's interesting about 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.280 this is do you ever think about this, Okay, like sabotage, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.640 it's a French word, right that the French shoot the 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.560 word for the shoe is sabot Like, it doesn't start 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.840 up until like the late eighteen hundreds. It literally just 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.400 means someone who like it means to make a wooden 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:20.000 shoe okay, but it turns out it's actually it's actual 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.320 Orisin is more interesting. This um. The term sabotage, as 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.360 you know, like the sort of like worker action, was 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.600 invented by the French anarchist of Meal Pigot. I don't 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.640 it's po u g. I don't know how to pronounce. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:39.440 That doesn't matter, pochet I, I don't know. Sure, Okay, okay, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.719 I lightly it's fine. I feel slightly bad because he's 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:48.600 one of the few good frenchmen him and sent him 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:54.840 and Fuco the only philology. So Pago is like he's 0:09:54.880 --> 0:10:00.400 a this guy is extremely French. Yeah, but he also 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.840 he is he is in the he's in the period 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.240 of French cool, which is to say he is um. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.240 He he he is an he's an anarchist, he is 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.480 a cynicalist, he is all of the ship UM and 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.520 he like he invents the term sabotage is part of 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.800 this report to the c g T s I eight 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.080 seventy nine conference in some cities name I can't remember. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.559 So the c GT is is a really weird unions. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.640 It means c g T means like the General Confederation 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.400 of Labor of Workers. Basically, UM actually It's really funny 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.040 because because because of how similar like French, Spanish and 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.920 Portuguese are, there were like sixteen thousand unions across like 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.679 twelve countries that are named the CGT. It's it's, it's 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.839 it's they're all either the CGT or the u g 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:51.640 C because they're all just like confeder something. Yeah, So 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.400 the French CGT is like a very very weird union. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.199 They're they're they're like they're the only union I've ever 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.360 seen that has at various points been an anarchist union, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.959 of communist union, a liberal union, and a democratic union. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.640 And it also like the thing they're famous for sort 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.400 of now is the fact that they sat out like 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.560 every revolution that's ever happened in France. Like they're they're 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.520 they're probably most famous for like telling people to like 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.920 basically signing a pact with the government and trying to 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.920 get people like to go back to work when sixty 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.520 eight was happening, and you know, and the usically about 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.640 like the c g T. The CTC is still around today. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.679 They have like seven hundred thousand members or something like that, 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.480 the second largest union in France, and I don't know, 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.679 it's interesting. So they'll go on strike for like pension stuff, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.000 but they won't go on strike to like abolish the 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.000 class system and sort of how I put it. But 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.920 in the late age hundred, early in eighteen hundreds they 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.120 are a very very radical cynicalast union. And Emil Pigou, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:49.000 who again like like anarchist par excellence, is like their 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:55.240 vice secretary, so to go, like invents the investor. Sabotage 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:59.199 is a way of translating basically the Scottish term that 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.600 I okay, I apologize for my Scottish pronunciation. I don't 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.240 I genuinely don't really have any problems with Scottish people. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.880 I think the term is go Connie basically, which means 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.240 go slow. Um sures to go. From his pamphlet sabotage, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.280 that's um like his explanation of like what's going on 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.720 here that the first part of it seem quoting British pamphlet. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.560 That's about what dogatti is. If you want to buy 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.079 a hat worth two dollars, you must pay two dollars. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.240 If you want to spend only a dollar fifty, you 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.360 must be satisfied with an inferior quality. A hat is 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.920 a commodity if you want to buy a dozen of 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.560 why is it a dozen of shirts? Okay, I don't know. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.880 People wrote weird in the early night entwids. If you 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.000 want to buy half a dozen shirts at fifty cents each, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.600 you must pay three dollars. If you only spend two 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.520 dollars and fifty cents, you can only have five shirts. Now, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.640 the boss declares that labor and skill are nothing but 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.760 commodities like hats and shirts. Very well, we answer, We'll 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.040 take you at your word. If labor and skill are commodities, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.880 their owners have the right to sell them. Like the 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.200 hat seller sells hats and the habitasher sells shirts, these 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.640 merchants must give a certain value in exchange for an 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.400 equivalent value. For a lower price, you will have an 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.599 article of either lower quality or smaller quantity. Give the 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.800 worker of fair, fair wage, and he will furnish you 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.080 with his best labor at its highest skill. On the 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.160 other hand, give the work an insufficient wage, and you 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.400 forfeit the right to demand the best and most of 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.560 his labor anymore of when you can demand a two 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.760 dollar half for one dollar. The gokhani consists then and 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:38.560 systematically applying the formula bad wages, bad labor. So yeah, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.800 but basically what this is like, it's it's Gokani is 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.840 like it's it's it's a kind of strike where it's 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.439 it's kind of like it's kind of like a slowdown 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.520 or there's another kind of striker's name I forgetting right 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.840 now where it's like you you you you like exactly 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.760 follow the rules, work to rule. Yeah, yeah, that's it's 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.079 it's kind of like a work to rule stricker. It's 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:56.840 basically like, okay, so you're not being paid enough, so 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:02.319 you just intentionally work really shittily and just keep working 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.240 slowly and badly until boss is paying you more. And 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.120 so this has been a big thing in in Britain 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.040 and Togo like sees this and he writes basically like 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.880 a paper like recommending that the CGT starts using this 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.199 as a tactic. But sure, he's trying to find a 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:18.920 French word for it, and he's like, I don't know 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.680 how to translate this, and so what he thinks of 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.800 there's this sort of like well, okay, so here's where 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.400 it gets messy because it's like there's like a couple 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.040 of versions of the story. One version of it is 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.800 like work as if you're being like hit with a 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:37.520 wooden shoe. So I wake up every morning and turn 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:42.280 on my podcasting Mike and a clog just flies in 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:48.920 through my windows. That's why Sophie us to move, yeah together, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.960 there's there's these there's these slinger shots to set up 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.120 outside of my windows that launched these clogs right at 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.720 my face every more hilariously hilariously. We are going to 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:04.680 come back to sling shots in So there's this thing 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.320 in France, like so people people with wooden shoes basically 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.840 generally are like peasants right there, people from burrel areas, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.840 And there's this whole sort of stereotype in France that 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.480 like in this period and like the like there's like 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.320 these people with their wooden shoes and they're like peasants 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.720 and they're like ignorant and they're bad at working and 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.120 like and so basically what Pago is the other thing 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.040 that the other theory of what's happening. Here's he's doing. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.040 He's like reversing this thing, right, He's like, well, okay, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.880 here's this, here's this like stereotype like workers working badly, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.280 and he's like, okay, no, what what if we did 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:38.000 this on purpose, Like what if we were intentionally just lazy? 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.520 And it's important to note that, like and Pago does this, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.440 and it's writing that like so she invents the word sabotage, 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.440 but like he sure it's hell didn't invent the content 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.120 of sabotage. Here here, here's from the pamphlet Sabotage again. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.000 Sabotage the former revolt is as old as human exploitation, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.240 since the day man had the criminal ability to profit 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.720 by another man's labor, Since that very same day, the exploited, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.600 the exploited toiler has instinctively tried to give his master 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.640 lesson what was demanded from him. In this way, the 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.520 worker was unconsciously doing sabotage, demonstrating in an indirect way 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.520 the irrepressible antagonism that raised capital and labor against one another. Okay, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.320 I'm I have to I have to do a call 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:24.360 out post on poor poor, get poor gy whatever. Um, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.120 that was very sexist, he said, every man. That's true. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.160 That's not. Women should also be forced to work, um 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.520 non bid. The people should be forced to work, um 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.360 eight hours a day, hopefully more so the fact that 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.760 he's just making men work is a little sexist garrison 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:45.920 doing a Hillary Clinton there, doing a Glen green Wall there. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:53.920 That's right enough to see it. Ah, weirdly, weirdly in 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.200 terms of in terms of canceling a Frenchman for a 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.600 French dude for sexism, like pretty mild. I gonna lie 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:06.000 at least problematic frenchman, don't. He probably did do something horrible. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.840 I just didn't see it when I was reading about it. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.520 But you know, such as such as the the guy 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.719 he invents sabotage. Um, so okay, so we have sabotage 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.159 as like you know, and this is an interesting about this, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.800 right when when when Pigot was first like defining the 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.239 word right, like he literally is just talking about like 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:29.800 labor slowdowns, right, and you know, very quickly sabotage comes 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.640 to mean other things, and he's yeah, so so here 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.960 here's again from this same Pamply. He's quoting the secretary 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.240 of a railway union who's like on strike for the 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.280 right to unionize. And this this is what the railway 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.439 union secretary guys says, with two cents worth of a 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.320 certain ingredient younion utilized in a peculiar way, he declared 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.760 it will be easy for the railwayman to put the 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.080 locomotive and such conditions as to make it impossible to 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:03.200 run them, which fucking absolutely absolutely based eighteen seventies French 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.800 road Union secretary. Ah, it's great stuff. It's actually funny 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.040 because like she's she's just like out there, just like 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.919 saying this, and like every modern union has like a 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.240 giant disclaimer in their things, saying like we do not 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:23.600 endorse the destruction of machines. Like yeah, the fucking based 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.240 French guys like no, no, no, no no, Like we 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.919 we are actively threatening you to destroy like every locomotive 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.160 in France if you do not let us form this union. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.480 This is why, this is why my organizing with the 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.480 I Heart Union is solely based on us planning future 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.639 terrorist attacks. If we don't get our way, the Hollywood 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.720 sign will never never be the same again. I've already 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.200 pulled sugar into the I guess time of my podcast recorded, correct, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:59.160 that's gonna work out for it. Unfortunately, the gas tank 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.840 of the podcast is like my stomach, So we're kind 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.440 of it's it's it's just as a fact of it 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.480 is actually pouring sugar into things. Yeah, so I'm hiding 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.480 under your bed with a funnel right now. Some sugar. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.120 On the other hand, Garrison, do you know what else 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.280 will put locomotives in such a condition that will make 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:23.359 it impossible for them to run? Uh? The is this 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:29.840 an ad break? This dynamite the products and services that 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:34.040 support this podcast? There, Yeah, the fucking the rail companies 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:35.639 are making the trains not be able to work. The 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:40.360 trains are too long. They are too long. Okay, dynamite. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:53.920 The answer is dynamite, and we're back. Okay. So from 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.320 from here, the definition of sabotage starts to sort of 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.679 expand um very rapidly. Here the I w w in 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:08.240 n about what sabotage is. I'm so curious sabotages is. 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.400 Sabotage is a destruction of profits to gain a definite 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.280 revolutionary economic end. It has many forms. It may mean 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.840 damaging the raw materials is that destined for a scab 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.760 factory or a shop. It may mean spoiling. It may 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.600 mean the spoiling of a finished product. It may mean 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.720 the displacement of parts of machinery or the disarrangement of 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.960 a whole machine, where that machine is the one upon 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.000 which other machines are dependent. From material. It may mean 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.520 working slow, it may mean poor work. It may mean 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:43.240 missending packages, giving overweight to consumers, pointing out defects and goods, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.440 using the best material where the employer desires of alteration, 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.080 and also the telling of trade secrets. In fact, it 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.680 has as many variations as there are lines of work. 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.640 This is this is so fascinating because sabotage definitely now 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.399 is way more associated with like earth for like the 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.440 left tactics, and this is like very labor focus. Like 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.560 sabotage is done by the people who are working at 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.480 the factory or place of production on the products that 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.640 they're working on. It's it's that that is extremely fascinating. Yeah, 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.960 And I think there's another thing too, right, because like 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.200 there is the sort of physical aspect of it. But again, 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.280 like this was created as like like as a term 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.600 of sort of like like anarchy, like specifically like syndical 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.280 political struggle, right, Yeah, and as that term like it's 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.040 a lot of what they're talking about when people think 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.600 about sabotage is just like strikes and like labor slowdowns, 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.200 and that that part of the connotation of sabotage has 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.800 just like completely faded and get into sort of like 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.840 how that happens. It's and it's so based on addressing 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.679 actual material changes as opposed to like a lot of sabotage. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.159 Now is almost like performative like even like even like 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.800 the left type stuff. It does. It does get a 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.080 thing done, like yes, this thing did burn down, but 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.320 they're gonna build another one. It's it's all. It's obviously 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.280 it's four kind of like spectacles built into what the 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:05.120 actual goal is. And for this kind of stuff, it's 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:10.200 actually it's about like it's more like improving labor conditions. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.280 It's based only and like there's a lot of this 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.399 that is this that is specifically designed not to be 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.159 like very noticeable, Like I mean there's there's a very 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.920 common thing. You get strikes like in the US even 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:20.639 even like sort of like conservative truck restrikes will do 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.240 this thing where like okay, so the truckers will go 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.080 on strike and then they'll hang like basically like hang 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.720 like fragments of metal and shipped from like the top 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.320 of overpasses so that if you drive another truck under 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:32.840 it or like funk up the top of the truck. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.400 And that's like that's kind of stuff. Isn't like it's 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.679 not designed specifically, not designed to be public, right, It's 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.000 designed to be something that like, okay, like it's it's, it's, it's, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.560 it's it's it's about like directly materially hurting the bosses. Yeah, 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.879 over like a long period of time, not just like 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.120 ones like single action you do it and you run 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.040 away and hope and hope never be caught. It's like, no, 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.600 it's gonna work slowly for two years and it costs 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.600 my boss like thousands of dollars in process. I mean 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:04.440 there there's some there's something like okay, so I I 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.400