WEBVTT - #250 Packers Unscripted: One final push 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:20.759 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.880 I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my colleague 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.640 West Hodkowitz. Were coming to here from our studios at 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.520 lambeau Field and West final show of the week leading 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.400 into Packers Lions, the season finale for both teams Sunday 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:38.040 noon Central kickoff at Ford Field in Detroit. It's Keys 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.440 to Victory Day and we always start on the offensive 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.440 side of the ball for the Packers. So what do 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.000 you got, I mean, Alex Van Pelt, in a joking manner, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.680 said during his Thursday news conference when the assistant coaches 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.520 were available, I mean, Bred Hunley's back on the road. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.440 He's been hot on the road, so you hope that 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.920 that continues. Certainly, He did reiterate that you think that's 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.720 that's kind of a fluke, the that the stats have 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.600 turned out this year. Hunley's road passerating though you can't 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.800 argue with it. It's like and he has had a 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.559 lot of fair share of success, particularly late in ball 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.039 games when he's away from lambeau Field. So um, while 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.360 the Packers believe that he can win games at home 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.120 and believe he can throw touchdowns, at home. Um, they 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.440 they're fine with riding the hot hand at Ford Field. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.119 And this is an interesting ball game, Mike, because after 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.440 last week I was kind of you know, I said 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.319 one of the keys of victories, I didn't anticipate they 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.759 throw more than thirty five times. They end up throwing 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.200 for forty times in that weather not exactly ideal. Well, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.800 now you're in the temperate, you know, dome. So I'm 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.240 really interested to see how this plays out. Its back 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.640 to back years, the Packers finishing the season in Detroit, 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.160 much different scenario than a year ago, where there's a 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.040 lot of different while they both were in the playoffs, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:48.480 there's a lot of different things on the line in 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:52.120 terms of seating. So it'll be interesting to watch. But Hunley, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.880 definitely it starts with him and protecting the football. Yeah, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.520 And I don't know how to explain his home versus 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.000 road statistics. It's it to me. I don't think it's 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.440 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense because it's 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.160 not as though the games in Pittsburgh and Cleveland, those 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.720 road games where these pristine conditions. I mean, they were 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.080 very similar, not like Minnesota last Saturday night, where it 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.880 was very very cold, but he's played road games in 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.120 the Chili conditions and a little bit of wind and 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.560 things like that. So the difference between the home and 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.600 the road statistics, to me, I'm not going to try 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.280 to try to provide an explanation, but what I will 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.079 say about what the Packers need to do to win 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.440 this game. For me, it just comes down to making 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.600 the plays that are there. Because there were plays to 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.160 be made against the Minnesota Vikings that could have put 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.519 pressure on Minnesota that would have kept the Packers in 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.919 the game. It was about a half a dozen drop passes, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.399 all of them would have been for first downs, would 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.600 have kept drives going, would have developed some rhythm and 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.880 momentum for your young quarterback, and the Packers just dropped 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.040 the ball too many times. And I know there's some 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.880 accuracy issues with Brett Hunley. There were some deep balls 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.399 late in the game that weren't on target, other things 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.600 like that that happened. But when he does make the throw, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.760 the Packers have got to catch the ball and they've 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.960 got to help out their young or back to to 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.640 develop some of that rhythm and momentum. That's what they 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.520 need to do. Indoors on Sunday afternoon. Yeah, and it's 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.560 gonna be an interesting matchup for the Packers here because 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.480 they already know they're not gonna have Davante Adams, they 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.079 won't have Jordy Nelson, Jarry Evans has been rolled out 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.480 of this one. They're starting right guard for four teen 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.520 games this season. So it's gonna be a lot of 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.360 young guys playing in this ball game. And obviously Gerano 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.079 Allison is another guy to keep an eye on two 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.280 from that regard dealing with his illness this week. So 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.520 whether it is Michael Clark or Trevor Davis, um, you know, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.480 even a guy like Davante Mays, if he gets in 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.440 there in the backfield, they need to make sure that 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.560 that they have that chance, that they're focused in on 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.400 it and trying to make the most of it. I 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.280 think back to that play and you and I discussed 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.160 this of you know, it takes two to tango and 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.080 Bred Hunley through a heck of a ball in that 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.800 deep pass to Trevor Davis last week against Minnesota, Davis 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.600 doesn't get his arms out, could have potentially with his speed, 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.280 been a you know, a catch and run for a touchdown. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.040 Didn't work. Out that way though, and then that's the 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.760 small kind of room for error that you have to 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:01.880 do with when even when you know Hunley throws a 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.600 perfect ball, it doesn't mean the big play is going 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.360 to happen. So it takes receivers, it takes the quarterbacks 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.400 being on the same page and they look to develop 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.800 another one of them against Detroit. The one thing I'll 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.920 add though, he has had a lot of comfort level 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.680 with these guys. He's thrown a lot of passes the 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.359 Jeff Janis and you know Michael Clark over the past, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.520 you know, three or four months, and these scout teams 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.920 and in preseason, so he does have that to fall 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.760 back on. Yeah, and I'm not sure the play with 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.680 Davis that you talked about, I don't know if he 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.039 lost the ball in the lights or just didn't see 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.839 it or what happened there, because it was just really 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.240 strange to see him not only not try to die 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.080 for it, but didn't even really put his arms out 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.360 for it. I thought that was one of the more accurate, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.520 one of the better deep ball throws that we've seen 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.080 from Brett Hunley, you know, really since the Pittsburgh game, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.119 probably in terms of really trying to take a shot 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.440 down field, and whatever the circumstances were, it didn't work out. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.920 Those are the opportunities that the Packers simply can't let 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.520 slip away here because hey, this uh, this Detroit Lions offense. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.320 As we'll talk about in the next segment with the 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.360 Keys to Victory on defense, this Lions offense came into 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.600 Lambeau Field and kind of lit up the Packers defense 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.840 last time. The Packers are going to need to score 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.000 some points on Sunday in order to win this game. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.240 Try to finish the season at eight and eight. When 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.080 you have an opportunity to make a play, you can't 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:11.760 let it get away. Yeah. And I don't want to 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.400 sit here and make this like I'm trying to rip 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.440 on Trevor Davis or anything like that. It's just I 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.159 think it really shows you why this game, in my opinion, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.559 is so beautiful, because it takes more than one player 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.240 at times to make a big play happen. Absolutely. Think 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.640 even in that back shoulder throw um you can look 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.440 at the Michael Clark one, you know where it didn't 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.840 work out there, But think back, you know till last 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.320 year when Aaron Rodgers was trying to connect with Davante 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.679 Adams on that in the end zone. It's not easy. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.240 Sometimes it takes a redo to make those things happen, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.840 and sometimes you're not afforded that opportunity. So it's time. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.040 It's things that these guys are going to develop. You know, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.520 in the more reps they get, the faster they're going 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.480 to play, the better it's going to be for them. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.560 In the long run. That depth chart is going to 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.360 be really deep going into the off season for the 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.520 Packers that receiver. So it's gonna take, you know, these 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.599 small moments in time to really allow guys like Michael 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.800 Clark or you know, Trevor Davis to really cement themselves 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.919 in this line up. Yeah, trying to finish on a 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.520 high note. But with that, we'll toss to a breakback 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:24.680 with more and Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.000 to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes hodkouhits 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.000 in that one in West, continuing our discussion of keys 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.839 to victory, but shifting gears to the defensive side of 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.160 the ball for the Green Bay Packers heading into Ford 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.159 Field against Matthew Stafford and that Lions offense. What are 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.719 you thinking. I think it starts with getting pressure on 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.040 Matthew Stafford in that Lion's offense. I mean, you look 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.880 at his stats and I don't have them all up 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.720 in front of me right now, Mike, but I will say, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.120 much like a lot of NFL quarterbacks, but I think 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.160 specifically with Stafford, the more pressure you get on him, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.880 the better chances your defense is going to have, because 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.200 sometimes that's where he forsakes the fundamentals. I think that's 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:00.800 sort of been the book on him over the years. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.000 The arm, the football start coming outside arm, he'll start 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.000 throwing off his back foot a little bit more. So 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.280 that's gonna be really important. And I think one of 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.040 the reasons why that feeds so much into it is 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.400 because of what he has outside with Marvin Jones Jr. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.560 We've seen what he's done when he's been able to 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.800 really get that rhythm and time. And going with Stafford 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.640 against this Packers defense, Golden Tate is a guy that 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.520 has been there for a number of years, one of 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.840 the most effective, you know, possession receivers in the game. Um, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.239 I look at this Packers defense now again, as I mentioned, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.280 you're not gonna have Nick Perry in this contest claim Matthews, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.120 dealing with the hamstring injury, will have to see what 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.679 he can give them. But you look at Kenny Clark 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.400 inside coming off his two sack performance. You have Mike 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.600 Daniels there sounds like he'll be a full go despite 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.960 the shoulder injury. He stayed sustained in practice this week. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.480 If you can get that interior pressure, that's what's gonna 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.080 allow that stuff to open up a little bit more 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.800 for those guys outside. Yeah, when I look at the 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.440 first meeting this season between the Packers and the Lions, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.520 I think it's safe to say that Matthew Stafford got 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.760 into a rhythm and the Packers never got him out 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.960 of it. And when you talk about pressure, whether it's 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.720 just getting him off the spot, disrupting that passing game somehow, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.320 And it just seemed like whatever the Packers tried on 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.080 that Monday night game back in November, whether it was 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.280 a slot blitz, whether it was you know, the cross 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.760 dog in the middle, anything they did to try to 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.400 disrupt Stafford, it was like he had his guys ready, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.800 they picked everything up. He was getting the ball out 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.520 on time. The Packers just never got that rhythm disrupted. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.480 So whatever it takes, you can't let him settle in 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.440 because playing at home, you know, it's going to be 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.920 even more difficult to uh to hold that offense down. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.880 And this Packers defense, as I said earlier this week, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.880 I think I think they're out there. They're out playing 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.600 for a little bit of pride because to me, when 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.240 I look at the entire the entirety of this season, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.240 Aaron Rodgers or no, Aaron Rodgers or whatever, I think 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.280 that defensive performance against the Lions on Monday night was 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.040 maybe the most disappointing one of the entire season. I 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.520 think this Packers defense wants to make up for it. Yeah, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.679 I agree, Mike. And the thing that's kind of interesting too, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.320 and you go back and look at, you know, the 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.920 history there against Matthew Stafford and really recently this Lions offense. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.480 It's a little bit different than most weeks because you 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:09.800 and I will sit here at times and say, hey, 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.280 you want to try to make them one dimensional? The Lions, 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.079 for better or worse, inherently are one Dimensional's been one 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.959 dimensional all year long. They have this thirty second ranked 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.640 rushing offense in the league. They have not had a 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.559 hundred yard rusher. You know in now I think too 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.679 three seasons whatever it is, spanning sixty games. I'm not 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:27.760 saying you can take them for granted on the ground. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.199 That's not what I'm saying. They could come out and 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.080 have a good game. We talked about their new options 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.280 in the backfield earlier this week, but you know where 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.120 the point of emphasis is going to be. It's going 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.720 to be on Matthew Stafford's arm. It's gonna be on 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.480 those receivers. Eric Ebron has become a very capable tight 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.199 end in the middle of the field as well, so 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.480 that is where you have to be looking. The cornerbacks. 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.439 Will see again if you can get to Marius Randall 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.360 out there this week with the knee injury and missed 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.480 last week, with potentially match him up with with Marvin 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.880 Jones Jr. You have Morgan Burnett potentially being able to 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.360 go up against either Ebrun or maybe Golden Tate. They 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.360 are healthier in the secondary, as strange as it sounds, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.120 it seems like going into this contest, so I think 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.079 that can be a big plus for them and allow 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.679 those guys up front to be able to do the 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.440 work that they need to do. Yeah, another thing you 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.200 have to watch out for now with Matthew Stafford is 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.080 his ability to, much like Aaron Rodgers does, to catch 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.160 the defense with twelve on the field, to catch you 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.720 in the middle of a substitution. And it was funny. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.280 I asked Mike McCarthy about this just briefly in his 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.280 Friday press conference and and he said, hey, don't forget 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.040 about t J. Lang, sort of suggesting that it might 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.200 have been Land that shared some of the secrets with 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.440 Stafford as to the mechanics of it, like how you 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.160 do this, what you watch for a code word? You know, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.319 all these all these things that the Packers have done 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.199 over the years with Rogers to catch twelve on the field. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.800 And I remember watching the Thanksgiving game against the Minnesota 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.800 Vikings this year in Detroit, and Stafford ends up throwing 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.920 like a forty yard touchdown pass on a play where 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.960 he had a free play with twelve guys on the field. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.000 The twelve defender actually didn't leave the field and provided 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.880 double coverage and he completed the passwords just down anyway. Yeah, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.920 Terrence Newman, So you gotta watch out for that, because 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.719 this this is just another area where Matthew Stafford has 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.280 taken his game to another level compared to where he 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.319 was a couple of years ago. And yes, the Lions 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.080 aren't going to the playoffs this year. They've had a 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.400 disappointing season. There's a lot of talk about whether Jim 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.200 Calledwell will be back as head coach or not. But 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.640 Matthew Stafford is the constant with this team and I 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.960 I just see him. He continues to add things to 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.240 his game every time the Packers see him. Yeah, and 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.000 absolutely a beautiful pass going back to that Thanksgiving game. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.880 I believe it was to Marvin Jones Jr. I think, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.160 I think you're correct. And Terrence Newman actually, a lot 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.440 of Packer fans we get this a lot of inbox saying, well, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:38.880 if you get caught for twelvemen on the field, why 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.240 don't they just stay on the field. That's what Terrence yea, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.360 he was trying. He was trying to run off and 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.120 then when the snap was made, he just turned up 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.360 the sideline and ran with the wide receiver for double 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.800 coverage and they completed it for a touchdown and still 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.280 got it there. But that is the dynamic he adds 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.079 and I mean keep in mind now. I mean Matthew 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.920 Stafford is a veteran now for a number of years, 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.960 he was the little brother kind of in this division. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.240 He's eight years into this thing. He's a Pro Bowl 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.720 type quarterback. He's had his ups and downs, but on 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.000 any given week and go off in terms of that 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.120 passing game. Packers have to be very sure about that. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.520 The one thing that I think helps screen big going 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.120 into this, as strange as it sounds, the ability to 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.560 play some of those young guys last week, like Reggie Gilbert, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.800 Lindsay Pipkins if he's called upon again. Those guys have 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.880 some work now, they have some reps, and they produced 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.960 when they got the chance. So fresh legs to fresh legs. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.079 So we'll see again. Maybe it's Matthews, maybe it's on 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.920 Modd Brooks, and maybe it looks more like the usual 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.320 core pass rushers. But they know that they have Reggie 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.440 Gilbert there too if they need him. All right, with that, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.599 let's toss to another breakback with more and Packers Unscripted 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:56.720 right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.800 Wes hodkoit's over there, and I want to talk about 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.360 a little bit of a milestone that's being reached in 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:09.160 the media world this weekend. No, it's actually not for us. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:14.200 Not for us, but on Sunday at Ford Field in Detroit, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.240 from the Packers Radio Network, Wayne Larvy and Larry McCarron, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:24.120 we'll call their three game regular season and postseason combined 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.480 for the Packers Radio Network, and that is actually going 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.920 to tie Jim Irwin and Max McGee for the most 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.400 games on the Packers Radio network as a duo. I 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.160 think that's pretty cool. I mean, I grew up listening 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.000 to Jim Erwin and Max McGee on the radio. Loved 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.000 what they do. I love what Wayne and Larry do. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.040 Um the fact that the Packers in essence, and I 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.160 know Larry was kind of a bridge because there was 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.040 a three man booth there for a while and he 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.840 was a bridge, you know, to Wayne then coming in 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.920 as the play by play man. But I think it's 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.520 pretty neat that the pack Is now have gone all 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.440 the way back to nine seventy nine when Jim Erwin 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.600 and Max McGee started that they've essentially had just two 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.240 radio teams going going all the way back to the 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.560 late nineteen seventies. That's pretty neat. It is neat, Mike, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:13.920 because I mean you even look at like with the 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.560 Brewers and obviously Bob Yuker in the run he's been on, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.320 but he's had a lot of guys with them, you know, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.000 to have two guys together, that's such a special run. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.400 And I've said this, you know, many times before, and 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.080 I'm sure Larry will probably get mad at me if 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.480 I said it. I really hope people appreciate Larry McCarron 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.480 and what he's brought, not only on the radio, but 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.240 you know, the the other avenues. I think he's one 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.320 of the greatest ambassadors enfranchise history of Packers football. Um. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.120 And you know he hears so much about Bob Yuker 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.240 and rightfully so one of the greatest ever do it. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.160 A multi platform type personality, I mean, I see Larry 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:47.880 has a lot of that with the Packers though too. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.600 And for him and Wayne to have this run together, um, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.480 after that, that tremendous run over when a McGhee you 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.840 mentioned listen to them growing up. I listened to Wayne 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.720 and Larry growing up as a kid, so uh that 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.080 that's just the way this thing goes. And to have that, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.120 I think it connects everybody. It's the voice and how 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.160 often do you see it to Mike that you and 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.840 I'll answer inbox and they'll people ask or they'll mention 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.080 who the court you know the announcers are for a 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.880 particular game, and no disrespect to them, but they say, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.080 you know, we turned that down and we listen to 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.560 Wayne and Larry. It's it happens every week. Yeah, And 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.600 I talked with Wayne and Larry for a piece I'm 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.640 doing my one Last Look column that will be posted 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.520 Saturday on the website is about this milestone of theirs 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.240 and matching Jim and Max. And a comment that Larry 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.760 made to me was really interesting. He said he really 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:40.320 credits Jim and Max for all of those people who 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.640 do exactly what you said, which is they turned down 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.840 the volume on their television and they listened to the 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.440 Packers Radio Network broadcast. Because people did that with Jim 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.560 Erwhen and Max McGee, they've continued it with Wayne Larvy 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.440 and Larry McCarn and just to give folks the breakdown 0:15:54.440 --> 0:16:00.200 on the numbers, Jim and Max nine through game two 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:07.000 regular season plus sixteen postseason, Wayne and Larry together beginning 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.960 in nine through now this will be their three game 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.640 two D eighty eight regular season and twenty four post season. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.720 A lot more success overall for the franchise with with 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.640 Wayne and Larry and uh Wayne actually told me that 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.840 that's actually helped them in the sense that they didn't 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.760 need to develop sort of the homespun humor that the 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.040 down home folksy type of broadcast that Jim and Max did, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.000 which is what which is what really entertained people when 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.480 the team was not doing so well. Wayne and Larry 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.200 have covered a lot of very successful teams. They've been 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.760 very much more of a hardcore XS and OS type 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.440 of team. Just interesting the way it's evolved. But but 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.800 you know, hats off to to both teams for for 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.520 what they've done over the years. For the Packers, It's 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.160 funny you bring that up too, because I know, talking 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.000 to my dad in the past two about Irwin and 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.000 McGee about how that was almost kind of one of 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.760 the comical things about listening to the Packers, specifically for 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.040 him in the eighties. Yeah, during some of the lean 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.560 years there the fact that those guys always found a 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.800 way to still keep it entertaining, keep it light and obviously, um, 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.080 you know, keep you set on everything else that that's 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.040 going on almost away from the field. But yeah, from 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.760 from Wayne and Larry's perspective, an amazing run. They've been 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.199 on some tremendous games they've been able to cover, and 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.439 certainly you know a lot more to come. Yeah, And 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.399 I think we can all remember hearing those radio calls 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.480 from Jim and Max back in when the Packers won 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.960 the NFC Championship and we're going to the super Bowl. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.240 The joy, the unbridled joy in their voice, all those 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.320 seasons that they had been through and to get there. 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.040 That they really personified what Packers fans were about at 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:39.919 that time. They did, and I recorded that too. I 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.199 still have that recording on a cassette tape. I actually 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.600 paid it. Good for you there the entire time. I 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.760 used to be big into that kind of stuff. That's neat. That' 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.920 s neat. 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Right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.840 Mike Spofford alongside West, Hodkowitz and West. Here our final 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:42.439 segment heading into Week seventeen, the playoff picture. Some spots 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.200 still to be decided in both conferences. In the NFC, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.960 You've got one spot available between the Falcons and the Seahawks. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.480 The Falcons host the Panthers. If they win it, they 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.560 get it. If they lose, Seattle can get it with 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.760 a victory over the Arizona Cardinals. You've got a prediction. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.240 How you think this is gonna fall. It's kind of 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.439 like family few, you know, or anything. You're like, you know, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:02.960