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Speaker 1: right time where the Francis deal didn't work out and

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Speaker 1: he could slide in and be that big returning star

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Speaker 1: and get the huge upgrade in his deal, and you

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Speaker 1: know what, good for him. And I did see the

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Speaker 1: interview with Richard Schaefer, the longtime boxing promoter who's now

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Speaker 1: John Jones' is you know advisor manager, that he had

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Speaker 1: with Ariel yesterday, where you know, he said at the

435
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Speaker 1: end of the day it was a negotiation and agreement.

436
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Speaker 1: Both sides are very happy and not happy based on

437
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Speaker 1: the things that they had to find in the middle ground.

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Speaker 1: But in that same table when it was Dana UFC

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Speaker 1: and Francis on the other side, to me, it seems

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Speaker 1: the and maybe Francis can explain that today with Ariel,

441
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Speaker 1: but it seems to me the fact that they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: budge on boxing was the end of the line for Francis.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's been through enough shit with them

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Speaker 1: to be to be very fair that that's fine. I'm

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Speaker 1: fine with that boxing wise, though. Look, if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're PBC, which has Deontay Wilder, it's such an interesting

447
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: idea to try to entice in gone to and make

448
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Speaker 1: a fight like that because Wilder, although he had been a

449
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Speaker 1: champion for so long, obviously had you know, compensates for

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Speaker 1: his lack of pure boxing skill just with athleticism, ferociousness, reach,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, cardio, all that great stuff. That that does

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Speaker 1: make Deontay Wilder's so dangerous. That fight is to me

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Speaker 1: a lot more interesting than Fury from the standpoint of

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Speaker 1: I mean, both are going to come out there guns blazing,

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Speaker 1: you know, so that's interesting. Fury fight somewhat interesting. Uh. BKFC,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned too, is tweeting at him, offering him. I mean,

457
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Speaker 1: you know, could they back up the truck for him?

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Speaker 1: But who are they going to get for an opponent

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Speaker 1: just Francis really want to get involved in. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: I look at BKFC, even though I give them a

461
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Speaker 1: lot of credit for how they promote matchmake in some

462
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Speaker 1: ways go after certain certain individuals. It's grimy to me.

463
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Speaker 1: It's not the full grime of the slap League. And

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Speaker 1: and even separate from any you know, back and forth

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Speaker 1: with Dana, I mean the slap slap fighting in general,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Dana's brand or that other one. And I

467
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people saw that that viral video

468
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Speaker 1: that's floating around in the last twenty four hours of

469
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Speaker 1: a different slap league where the guy got slapped and

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Speaker 1: his face got deformed and puffed up, and you know,

471
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Speaker 1: and he kept slapping, he kept going back out there,

472
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Speaker 1: and it's just like, damn, that's about as gross ass

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Speaker 1: of a sport as I can I can think of,

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Speaker 1: and you know, not even nothing to do with Dana

475
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Speaker 1: on the slap in the wife situation. BKFC is classier

476
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Speaker 1: than that to me. But to me, I still look

477
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Speaker 1: at it as that last stop unless you're like somebody

478
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Speaker 1: like Page van Zandt who wants to get out of

479
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Speaker 1: the UFC and make big money and this is the right,

480
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Speaker 1: this is the step you have to take. Fighters tend

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Speaker 1: to see that differently, though. I'm constantly surprised at how

482
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Speaker 1: many bocs are or MMA fighters I talked to you

483
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Speaker 1: that are like, oh yeah, I'd love to go in

484
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Speaker 1: there and clean up. I'd do great in there. You might.

485
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Speaker 1: That's a grimy different game in which you know you

486
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Speaker 1: can get sliced up pretty quickly in there. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't see Francis going there, but I think that

488
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Speaker 1: the problem in general for frances is going to be

489
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Speaker 1: that level of competition. Who can they find that's not

490
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Speaker 1: signed to the UFC Heavyweight division. And I'm not going

491
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Speaker 1: to act like this isn't a problem right that he

492
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Speaker 1: could fight. I mean, who you know Is Kane, are

493
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Speaker 1: Kine and brock Lesner are still under locking key to

494
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Speaker 1: the UFC should they ever decide to come back into

495
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Speaker 1: MMA with You know, how much do people care about that?

496
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Speaker 1: It's like, could could you fight Fato or Ryan Bader

497
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Speaker 1: for the bells? Yeah? I guess you know, could you

498
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Speaker 1: go to one and fight you know, the winner of

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Speaker 1: the Boular Malle can fight, Yes, but there will have

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Speaker 1: to be some level of middle ground negotiation. If a

501
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Speaker 1: promoter's bringing him in, they're gonna want to have him

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Speaker 1: as champion. It's not gonna be as easy as piece

503
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Speaker 1: me maybe as easy as I indirectly made it seem

504
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Speaker 1: the other day of you know, Francis can now call

505
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Speaker 1: his own shots. He can't, but he's gonna have to

506
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Speaker 1: be a bull at the negotiation table, just like he

507
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Speaker 1: was with the UFC. They sort of get the idea

508
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Speaker 1: of short term deals. I want to do a little

509
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Speaker 1: bit of this, a little bit of this, a little

510
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Speaker 1: bit of that. Let's give him the chance to figure

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Speaker 1: it out. He's charting a new course. For the most part,

512
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Speaker 1: he's charting another you know, so he's going to have

513
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Speaker 1: to ultimately figure that out. We got another Francis question

514
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Speaker 1: coming in from Caleb Major Dana saying they won't match

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Speaker 1: what another organization offers Francis. Was this a move to

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Speaker 1: lower what Francis would be offered as other organizations now

517
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Speaker 1: know the UFC isn't going to match, try to match.

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Speaker 1: I hope that makes sense. So this is unique because

519
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Speaker 1: the UFC it appears and the two big recent free

520
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Speaker 1: agents that left, and again this almost never happens, right

521
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Speaker 1: where a big free agent leaves the UFC when they

522
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Speaker 1: still have something big left in the tank. And I'm

523
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Speaker 1: not going to try to act like Nate Diaz has

524
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Speaker 1: a ton left in terms of fights you can win,

525
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Speaker 1: but brand pay per view wise, yeah, he's still got

526
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Speaker 1: something left. They didn't match either of those guys, the

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Speaker 1: Francis one. I don't agree with your comment all those

528
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Speaker 1: things for the question in terms of did they do

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Speaker 1: it just to keep his you know, his bottom line load. No.

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Speaker 1: I think that the divide in the negotiation table was

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Speaker 1: the boxing. Francis wants to free him to do what

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Speaker 1: he wants. And you know, some people said maybe you

533
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Speaker 1: can go to WW and Russell Brock. I mean, you know, maybe,

534
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Speaker 1: but now he has the ability in theory to do

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Speaker 1: whatever he wants. I think that was the breaker in

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Speaker 1: UFC's like, why are we gonna? I think UFC is

537
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Speaker 1: in a spot right now where the PR machine has

538
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: swirled up so much shit around them, most of it

539
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Speaker 1: self induced. To be fair, this would be really bad

540
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Speaker 1: PR if they went through the hell they went through

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Speaker 1: with Francis. They got to this point, they almost made

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Speaker 1: the Jones fight, and now they were in theory gonna

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Speaker 1: just hold him back and constantly match other offers. It'd

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Speaker 1: be a waste of money, it'd be a waste of time,

545
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Speaker 1: and it would be really bad PR in that regard.

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Speaker 1: So no, I don't I don't think that's the case

547
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Speaker 1: at all. I think the Nate situation was I'd be

548
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Speaker 1: really honest with you, here's what I think really happened

549
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: in the Nate situation. They didn't want to burn monster

550
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Speaker 1: bridges with Nate on the way out. In some ways,

551
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Speaker 1: they didn't care about throwing him against Tremaia right, which

552
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Speaker 1: could have to him up, you know, could have could

553
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Speaker 1: have gotten him handled on the way out and hurt

554
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Speaker 1: his brand. Yeah, that was part of it. Although the

555
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: Enimy Gods the karma seemed to come again back up

556
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Speaker 1: against the UFC in the situation that led to to

557
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Speaker 1: Nate fighting Ferguson, winning, looking good and walking out in

558
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Speaker 1: his own terms. But when we talk about Connor McGregor

559
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: coming back in the UFC having at least one major

560
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: lottery ticket to cash in of a big fight when

561
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: he does return, is it against Chandler? Is it against

562
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: you know whoever? Right? RDA, what do you want to

563
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: do here? UFC? I still think the Nate third fight

564
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: is something that they want to be able to talk

565
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Speaker 1: to Nate about. So I think part of that is

566
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Speaker 1: is the is the protection of that. But if it's

567
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Speaker 1: a different scenario, a different situation, would they match and

568
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: keep someone under contract as long as they could? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Didn't they just do that with GSP who's been retired

570
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Speaker 1: for five years when he tried to box d la Hoya, Like, yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: they would in that regard. But I hope again that

572
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Speaker 1: the Francis breakthrough is the beginning of shit like that

573
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Speaker 1: not being part of it anymore. And I think there

574
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Speaker 1: is a larger problem in general. And again shout out

575
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Speaker 1: to MAI and their new series on Managers, which is

576
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: educating you know a lot of us that weren't in

577
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: on that. Although you hear a lot of rumors, you know,

578
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: are managers really for the fighters in the end, if

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00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: they're so close to the UFC and their job depends

580
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: on that funnel of bringing fighters in and get it.

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00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean there's something to be said there because UFC

582
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: not only has so much control over so many categories,

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Speaker 1: if they have managers representing large number of fighters who

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Speaker 1: may or may not be willing to fight and you know,

585
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: at the negotiation table and and risk future opportunities by

586
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: doing what's right for their for the fiduciary responsibility for

587
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Speaker 1: their fighter, which is in essence of the definition of

588
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: a manager, then yeah, we have we have a lot

589
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: of larger issues here, but Francis living was a major

590
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: stumbling block and opening up the door and bringing in

591
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Speaker 1: more light. I think for future stars of the UFC

592
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: to try to slowly learn how to maneuver a little

593
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Speaker 1: bit smarter. I think, you know, a major problem. And

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Speaker 1: it's why Dana and everybody else when the idea of

595
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: unions come up in MMA, everyone's like, well, you know,

596
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: good luck to them organizing. Yeah, there is a large

597
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: problem in the mmaf I game of fight er ignorance.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and it's not meant to shut

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00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: take a shot at them. But I don't think there's enough,

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00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, in boxing too, I don't think there's enough

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Speaker 1: people with the businessman mentality. A lot of times that

602
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: is something you have to learn on the job, oftentimes

603
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: through missteps of your own. You know, unless you are

604
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: able to hook up with the right manager, promoter, agent

605
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know who has your back end is

606
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: a maverick and is pushing through and fighting through. I mean,

607
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: even Francis's situation, a lot of rumors that he left

608
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: his manager and was negotiating on his own of late.

609
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: It reminds you that we are so far from the

610
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: real change that we'll eventually see. But you know, I'm

611
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: here for a chair in Francis on whatever he's going

612
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: to do, and there are certain MMA moves he can

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Speaker 1: make that I think are interesting, even though there are

614
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: a lack of opponents and like it's everyone saying, look,

615
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: pfl's got a ton of money, it seems right now,

616
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: although some people DM me and go BC, how is

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00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: PFL actually making money outside of the you know, smaller

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Speaker 1: UFC deal they have. I mean, ESPN deal. Excuse me

619
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Speaker 1: that they have I don't know, I don't know. I

620
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: know they have a lot of bat financial backing and

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Speaker 1: a lot of celebrity financial backing within that, and there's

622
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Speaker 1: been a lot of investments made and I think for

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00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: the most part, PFL has made some smart moves. But

624
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: even though they don't have, you know, a stable full

625
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: of sexy heavyweights that I'd love to see Francis against,

626
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: they also can offer, it seems, the potential of big

627
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: money to launch their super fight pay per view division,

628
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: and then it becomes what can you do with Francis

629
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Speaker 1: after signing Jake Paul to become this home for big

630
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: money free agents that may or may not be still

631
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: in their prime and looking to make the leap. It's

632
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be an interesting future. It could also,

633
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, the walls could come up and Francis could

634
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: find out it's harder than he thought. But you're never

635
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: going to find out unless you're willing to risk it

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00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: and take that. Let's keep the questions flow here before

637
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: I get into some other things. There's boxing news floating

638
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: around that's somewhat ominous given the the perennial state of

639
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: where we're at in boxing where you know, the whole

640
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: thing is the best, don't fight the best. It's not

641
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: all always true, but in a big picture sense, in

642
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: some big fights, yeah, you tend to have to wait

643
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: a long time or sometimes not at all for them

644
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: to happen. To see Oscar de la Hoya, who his

645
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: correspondence publicly typically can't be trusted or must be weighed

646
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: with a large grain of salt. But him coming out

647
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: and tweeting and saying, you know, we don't have a

648
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: deal for Tank. You know, here's your deadline. If you

649
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: don't make this fight wrong. Ercie is not going to

650
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: fight him if you don't send a contract. Everyone's panicking

651
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: and saying, is this the next Spence Crawford, you know,

652
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Mayweather Pacquiao, Like, we got to wait on this shit.

653
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And I saw that Stephen A

654
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: or Stephen Espino's excuse me? Did it? Of? Showtime Sports

655
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: did an interview with a fight Hub with Marcos Vegas

656
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: where he basically said, look, there is no official final

657
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: contract yet, but he but you know, Steven's a former lawyer.

658
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: He was Mike Tyson's lawyer. He worked for Golden Boy

659
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: under Oscar de la Hoya. I mean he knows what

660
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: he's doing. He said most times in big fights, that

661
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: final contract doesn't get signed until the week of but

662
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of it is already agreed to either verse

663
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: or in writing about a lot of the terms. And

664
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: what Stephen said is this fight which is proposed for

665
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: April fifteenth, Tank versus Ryan in Las Vegas on Showtime

666
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: pay per view. But obviously, as we talked about, de

667
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: Zone would have the ability to present the Showtime pay

668
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: per view on their own streaming service and make a

669
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: certain amount of money from that. Is that, you know,

670
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: all the important stuff has been agreed to, so I

671
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: don't worry about this per se. I know it's another

672
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: dropping the bucket of boxing. Can't get out of their

673
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: own way, and are they gonna pull the rug out

674
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: from under us again? I think this is just such

675
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: a unique situation in which Showtime took a hard stance,

676
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: it seemed, and said, we'll work with the Zone, but

677
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: we're not doing fifty to fifty equal to network pay

678
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: per view. We don't feel they bring enough in this situation.

679
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: And credit to Ryan Garcia, he appeared to have pushback

680
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: behind the scenes against his promoter's network and all that

681
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: to get to this point, to make it. I think

682
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: this is Oscared causing trouble and maybe in some backward

683
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: hope in the back of his mind, hoping that this

684
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: does fall apart. And you say, why, well, all is

685
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia gonna be favored to be Tank Davis. No,

686
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: it's a great fight. We have to see it. Ryan

687
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: Garcia has many ways he can win this. It's not

688
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna be favored against him. This is the fight that

689
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: the experts will look at it go love that f

690
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. Tank should win, and

691
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: to be fair, he should because there's so many unknowns

692
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: about Ryan still at this level. But you know, dala

693
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: Hoya has an obligation to Dizone, which is essentially keeping

694
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: his company afloat with the with the streaming deal right now,

695
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: Dela Hoia lost Canelo, that's sued by Canelo. You know,

696
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: de la Hoya has kept this ship afloat pretty admirably

697
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: since the twenty fifteen exodus of all his fighters, which

698
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: co re late twenty fourteen, which coincided, of course, with

699
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: Richard Schaefer leaving Golden Boy under some heavy accusations that

700
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. He you know, tried to sell the

701
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: tried to get Oscar signature, to sell the company to

702
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: alle him. I mean, there was a lot of shit

703
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: back then that was being talked about. But I think

704
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I always gave Oscar credit for how he said, no,

705
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm not going out like this, I'm taking my company

706
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: back even if we lose you know, seventy five percent

707
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: of our fighters because Richard didn't get them under contract.

708
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: It was all a handshake deal with al. But he's

709
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: been you know, largely, I don't want to say barely

710
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: able to stay afloat because that stretch with Canelo kept

711
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: him going. And you know, Oscar's credit stud up Virgil

712
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: Ortias Juniors, Jojo Die still has some fighters you like

713
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: and want to see. But he he owes Golden Boy

714
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: to I mean, he owes his own to have Ryan

715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Garcia fight on his own. This fight technically won't be

716
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: so I think that's a little bit just more of

717
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: what we see a lot in this game, which is

718
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: somebody trying to you know, spit in the pod and

719
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: stir it up when you're cooking dinner. And Oscar tends

720
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: to do crazy things. And Oscar also It's been talked

721
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: about by a lot of people that isn't always the

722
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: one behind the scenes making all of those decisions. Richard

723
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: Schaefer was the brains behind Golden Boys' success, which was

724
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: the second half of Oscar's pay per view career, which

725
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: they became instantly almost day one legitimate promoter because he

726
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: had Oscar and signed Bernard Hopkins and they signed Mark

727
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: Antonio Barrera and they were all all at ownership and

728
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: they were like, this is a fighter's promoters that's going

729
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: to go after making the best fights, and to some

730
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: degree they did, but then they started to do promoter stuff,

731
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: and you know, the peak of Golden Boy was obviously

732
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: right before that launch of the PBC when they had

733
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: all of the PBC fighters under their banner, and twenty

734
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: thirteen on Showtime was massive for Showtime and Golden Boy.

735
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: But those fighters went with Al Hayman too PBC when

736
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: that launched in twenty fifteen. And you know now to

737
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: see in the last few weeks that Golden Boy has

738
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: cut ties with their matchmaker, Roberto Diez. I don't know

739
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: that the situation or the reasons, but the only news

740
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: we got out of that was that Oscar chose not

741
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: to renew Roberto Diez. I mean, Robert Is, You're talking

742
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: about a guy who's like a cornerstone of that operation

743
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: as a matchmaker, as the brains behind the scenes, and

744
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: now he's gone to was running that chip. It's a

745
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: legitimate question right now. I don't think that's going to

746
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: get in the way as we build toward what is

747
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: going to be the next big fight in boxing, unless

748
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Usik versus Fury slides in their first But I think

749
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: there'll still be a good year for boxing, even with

750
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: Spence Crawford being up in the air, even with some

751
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: fights falling apart due to injury. You got it. You

752
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: gotta hold that optimism close. Here a boxing question coming

753
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: in from screw you. Oh well, screw no, fuck you too, Yeah,

754
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: screw you all right, that's great, thank you. Random Mayweather question.

755
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: Out of these three, which one would have the biggest

756
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: chance of coming out a winner against Mayweather in your opinion?

757
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: This has always been one of my favorite categories, like

758
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: putting Mayweather, who's a depending on your opinion, a top

759
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: ten fighter of all time, Top fifteen, top twenty. Some

760
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: people say, without a shadow of a doubt that he's

761
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: the best ever, and I think that's not true, but

762
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: I credit Floyd's marketing skills to sort of put that

763
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: part of the narrative. And then obviously, when you look

764
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: at Floyd's career as a whole, fifty to zero broke

765
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: every financial record. Look, he's one of the greatest of

766
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: all time. But would he win head to head against

767
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: every other welterweight in history. I just don't believe so.

768
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: And the question here asked by screw you is Thomas

769
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: Hearns and Vernon Forrest at one forty seven, Winky Right

770
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: at one fifty four, Pernell Whittaker at one who has

771
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: the best chance of coming out a winner against Floyd?

772
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Look that Winkie Right fight at one fifty four. It

773
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: is a tough fight for Floyd in theory. Floyd fought

774
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: twice at one fifty four against Canelo and Miguel Coto Codo.

775
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: Fight was close and competitive, eight rounds to four. Codo

776
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: bloodied his nose. It was a hard fight, and we

777
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: know what he did to Canelo. But Winky writes a

778
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer at one fifty four and is a

779
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: south paw that's just the ultimate. He's the ultimate cock blocker.

780
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: Can I say that on here? I don't know. Am

781
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: I gonna get demonistored? By way? Some people have had

782
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: the wrong narrative here right now. They think that, you know,

783
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: we were talking about sanitizing MK lately a bit. This

784
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: is not a directive from above. It's a directive from

785
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the idea that YouTube is demonetizing us sometimes when we

786
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: show a questionable have you seen the ship photo? Or

787
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: have too many swears? And you know, we got to

788
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: play the system here. We got to figure out how

789
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: to not have that happen. But I'm not looking to

790
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: change the flavor of MK yet. I'm also not looking

791
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: to get fired. So there has to be a comfortable

792
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: middle ground in there. But in terms of the middle ground,

793
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: in terms of who would give Floyd trouble, here's the

794
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: thing about Flood, the pretty boy Flood of the Low

795
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Way Classes one, thirty one, thirty five, right like, you know,

796
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: that guy was pump for pound, you know, one of

797
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: the best when he was twenty one. He was the

798
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: fighter of the year when he was twenty one. That

799
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: guy was everything we love about second half of career

800
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: money Mayweather. But on top of it, he was offensive

801
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: in terms of intentions in terms of his ability to

802
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: walk guys down land combinations. You know, he had legitimate

803
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: hand troubles, which put his career in jeopardy. I think

804
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: that was one of the main reasons why he took

805
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: such long stretches of time off after the De l

806
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Hoya fight, was only fighting once every year and a half.

807
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he had legitimate hand problems. And then when

808
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: you talk about him moving up to forty seven and

809
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: then twice to one fifty four, you know, he didn't

810
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: have the power to go punch or punch on that level.

811
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: He's also purely more of a mover defensive fighter and

812
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the greatest defensive fighter of all time

813
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: to be fair, you know, maybe the sharpest, most technically

814
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: accurate counterpuncher I've ever seen. But when you put him

815
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: in the idea at welterweight against killers again, so Thomas Hearns,

816
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: who has long arms, speed of piston like jab, insane

817
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: knockout ability. And by the way, because this, you know,

818
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: he came up in the late seventies before turning pro

819
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: and you know, becoming a star in the eighties. You know,

820
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: that was back when boxing was still boxing, and you know,

821
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: a boxing gym on every street corner, and when you

822
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: came up those systems, you learned how to box, you know.

823
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean Thomas Hearns could box circles around people. Pan

824
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: Thomas Hearns is a problem for Floyd at Welterwaite could

825
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: he went at sure, but that's a that's a problem

826
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: for him. That's a guy who could almost match his speed,

827
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: can box enough to not get fully exposed, and then

828
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: with that length and that power, that's a rough fight.

829
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: N In Forrest is interesting because at his very peak,

830
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: the two wins over Shane Mosley at one forty seven

831
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: when he was in the conversation for pomp from Poum King,

832
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: that version was tough, tall, long, knows how to sharp

833
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: heavy jab just you know. Could Floyd get the edge

834
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: in that at welterweight? I believe at the end of

835
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: the day you have to bereat for Floyd not to

836
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: figure you out, eventually play the margins and find out

837
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: how to outpoint you, because nobody smarter than Floyd in

838
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: that regard. Could he beat Verninforce? I think Floyd could,

839
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: but it would be a close fight. Could he beat

840
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: Winky Right at one fifty four? I do think that

841
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: is asking too much. Floyd had to be selective when

842
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: he went up to one fifty four, although he took

843
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: on too all time grades right, and I think there

844
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: was a reason ultimately why Floyd never tried to do

845
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: something too crazy and go up to middleweight and try

846
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: to f around there with the hand issues, there was

847
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: limitations and also, let's not forget at welterweit a monster

848
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: part of Floyd's success, sneaky longreach, sneaky long ability to

849
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: keep you at the end of his punches. Harder to

850
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: do in the higher way classes. Prenell Whitaker is interesting

851
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: because the speed, the defense, and the elusiveness is all

852
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Floyd like. In some areas, maybe slightly better but could

853
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: pronell be offensive And I like Floyd in that matchup still,

854
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: but there are certain ones. I think prime welterweight Oscar

855
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: is another one where you go, I don't know, you

856
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: know that quick hands, can box, can punch in a

857
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: left hook. I mean, look to give Floyd issues at

858
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: his welterweight peak. Sorry, in the third fight at one

859
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: fifty four was Dale Hoya don't dead wrong me? He

860
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: had three at one fifty four. The third one being

861
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: dale Hoya, which was his first one, and that was

862
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: the split decision, but in reality it should have been unanimous.

863
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: It's basically in eight rounds to four fight, but Oscar

864
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: showed in the first six rounds. Even in old Oscar

865
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: at thirty four, who wasn't always living up to his

866
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: best outside the ring, he showed that there is a

867
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: blueprint at welterweight that you could give Floyd trouble. But

868
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: you got to have a big jab, you've got to

869
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: have size, and you've got to also have that technical ability.

870
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: And I think in Oscar's case that one fight he

871
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: had with Freddie Roach, she fought his balls off for

872
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: six rounds and I thought he was in that fight,

873
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: and I think he combination of faded late and also

874
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: once Floyd makes the adjustment and starts walking you down

875
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: with lead right hands, you have to start to ask yourself,

876
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: and I think Oscar asked himself in that fight May fifth,

877
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. My wedding night, by the way. Uh,

878
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: it's funny how that works out that, Uh you know,

879
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: do I want to step on the gas and try

880
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: to win this in risk getting knocked out by Floyd

881
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: Mayweather here and I thought, you know, he played the margins.

882
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: He tried his best to win. The decision lost. The

883
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: split decision was it was generous, but it didn't happen.

884
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: Prime Oscar though at welterweight, the guy who fought mostly

885
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: the guy who fought Trinidad, the guy who fought you know,

886
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: I quarte that guy's a problem for Floyd too. It's interesting,

887
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm never gonna I've questioned Floyd's matchmaking

888
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: in the past. He got it all done in the end.

889
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: He did it on his terms, but he got it

890
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: all done. But his ability to figure another guy out

891
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: and make the adjustments to completely turn the fight around

892
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: onto his terms. You know, that's where when when people

893
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: like to say that Floyd's the greatest of all time,

894
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: and again, you know, it's better than Sugar Ray Robinson

895
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: at welter way's better than Ray Leonard at welters wath

896
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I just I don't you know, all in all, I

897
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: don't see that, But he's in the larger conversation and

898
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: his ability to do what I just said. Very few

899
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: in the history of this game can do exactly what

900
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: Flood can and and and could just just completely turn

901
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: the fight around in his favor. Play that chess and

902
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: just take away what makes you great? Breathtaking, brilliant. All right,

903
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: let's keep the the fun rolling. Here, we got we

904
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: got questions in a few different categories. Here, let's go

905
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: over to food. Here. This is from I like fights.

906
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: What's the grossest food you've ever gotten from a gas station?

907
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: For me? Probably egg rolls? Thanks dong. Look, if you're

908
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: buying sushi from a gas station, you're gonna you're gonna

909
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: hurt yourself. All right, I've done it. I wouldn't do

910
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: it again. I've talked at length before on the mass

911
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Pike I ninety they used to they used to squirt

912
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: the cheese into the hot dog. I mean as you're eating,

913
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, beforehand, on the inside, as you're eating that,

914
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: you know this thing's killing you. It was gross. I

915
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: mean it tasted good, but it was gross. That's the thing.

916
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: It's like, what does this question mean? Something that I

917
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: tasted that was just all disgusting, Throw it out, can't

918
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: finish it. Yeah, I've done that at a gas station

919
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: many times. I'm an expert on gas station cuisine. But

920
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: there's another category of gross. It's the guilty pleasure. Gross.

921
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, almost like going through the McDonald's drive through. Right,

922
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: It's like, I know this's gonna hurt me. I know

923
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna regret it. I know everything about this sucks.

924
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: But man, those first sixty to ninety seconds right, that

925
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: drug hits the lips. Good lord, that's something. You've been

926
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: there a few times at a gas station too. But

927
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: what are gas stations in the modern era. The look,

928
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: there's there's the elite ones, there's the wuah wahs and

929
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: the sheets that know what they're doing. All right, But

930
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, you drive around America, you hit one of

931
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: those odd ball ones. You know all they got fried

932
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: chicken at the gas station. I mean maybe in some areas,

933
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: fried chicken at the gas station works. In Connecticut, it's

934
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: pretty damn disgusting. Been there. I really only trust at

935
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: a gas station, and I can't anymore because of my

936
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: liver for the most part. But you know, the rollers

937
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: are fine, Pizza can be okay, burgers can be okay.

938
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: The hot dogs is the staple. But you get too

939
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: weird at a gas station. You're asking, you're asking for

940
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: bad things. And let me be the one who tells you.

941
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Like Mickey Man, when he passed away in ninety five.

942
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: He's like, don't you know, learn from me. Don't be

943
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: like me. He was talking about alcoholism. Don't be like me.

944
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: Gas stations are the silent killer, just because everything in

945
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: there's for ninety nine cents tastes like you know, you

946
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: can it's meal replacement, right. Oh, I stopped buying Philip

947
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: on gas. Oh I can eat. I can eat with

948
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: a family of four for six ninety nine Ya, you

949
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: probably could. It's going to kill you, though, so be

950
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: careful there. All right, we'll keep the live chat going.

951
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: Let's go over to music here. A lot of people

952
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm finding that that are BC live chat fans also

953
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: tend to like good music. So one hundred and fifteenth

954
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: Dream with the Bob Dylan Avatar shout out, ask BC

955
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: in your opinion, who are some of the most overrated

956
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: bands of the night. I've misread that. I thought that

957
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: said underrated. He says overrated. Let me give you one

958
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: underrated band right now, because for the last six months

959
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: they've basically been my favorite band, and I avoided them

960
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: for a long time and I'm finally into him. Traffic

961
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: with Steve Winwood is one of the greatest rock bands

962
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: of all time. And to truly understand and appreciate track,

963
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I have to you got to understand jazz and jazz

964
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: fusion to a certain degree because that's a heavy influence

965
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: in the background. You have to, especially in the early

966
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: albums like that intersection, the intersection of the late nineteen

967
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: sixties between psychedelic rock in the early onset of progressive

968
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: rock is glamorous and there's different versions of it. Could

969
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: be wild, that could be crazy. Traffic was had a

970
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: polished groove version of it. That's an insanely great band.

971
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: And I think the closer you get into that, the

972
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: more you listen to the early Steve Winwood solo records,

973
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, Blind Faith, the Supergroup record, whether it's piano,

974
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: guitar or whatever. Steve win would one of the musical

975
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: geniuses of our extended lifetime. And I'm finally fully realizing

976
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: that through Traffic. But you want to know, one of

977
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: the most overrated bands of the nineteen seventies. This is

978
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: hard because my pandemic journey since the Pandemic when I

979
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: got into vinyl and I've got, you know, six hundred

980
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: records in this office and running out of space, and

981
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: room and I look like a hoarder. Is that? You know,

982
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: it's been unlocking so many bands that I just assumed

983
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: sucked from the seventies because classic rock radio lot to us.

984
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean they did they you know, they played stuff

985
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: they know that that people would want, and a lot

986
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: of times it gives you the wrong impression of what

987
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: a band was. Or you take a interesting, quirky song

988
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: out of the full concept of the album and you

989
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: can grow to hate that song, and then you go

990
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: back and you listen to the album as one and

991
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: you're like, oh God, that's a journey, that's brilliant, that's

992
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of that going on. So really

993
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: this has been about finding out that No, Fleetwood Mac

994
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: is not overrid, No Chicago doesn't suck. No, you know

995
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: in Sir Alan John, I used to hate Ellen John

996
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: and then I, you know, picked up about nine of

997
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: his out. He's probably the most prolific artist in the

998
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies in general, from the standpoint of consistent top

999
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: shelf across the board. Not all of it's for me,

1000
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: but damn do I respect the art and the song

1001
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: craft and everything going on there. There's very so few

1002
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: in fact, that it's hard for me to even jump

1003
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: out and say I think that the there's certainly some

1004
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: some rough genre turns in the seventies. Disco is obviously

1005
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: a monster one in that regard, But areno rock slash

1006
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: corporate rock into a some degree the connection between yacht rock. Now,

1007
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bang on yacht rock because I've got

1008
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: a huge guilty pleasure for it's one of my favorite

1009
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: serious XM channels. Yes, it's the kind of soft rock

1010
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: that makes you feel like you're going sterile while listening

1011
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: to it. And yes, there are certain bands within that

1012
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: genre that are just I don't even care if I

1013
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: like this song, I gotta turn it off. I hate

1014
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: that band. But corporate rock is a little bit more

1015
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: of that, like Doobie Brothers Boston and by the way,

1016
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: I like both bands. I'm not trying to shit on them,

1017
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: but the whole idea of this like rock music that's

1018
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: still powerful, but it's just like so overly produced and

1019
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: shipped off to the masses and stadium tours, and you know,

1020
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: then you collide it with yacht rock, which has the

1021
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: much more loose vibe to it. I mean, there are

1022
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: some yacht rock bands that I've discovered, like like Seals

1023
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: and Cross, like America that I've just been like, damn,

1024
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: these these are brilliant. They go you know, you can't

1025
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: just look at them and go, oh, that's soft rock,

1026
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: that shit. No, you got to dig in and you go, no,

1027
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: this is brilliant. But who's overrated? To me? I hate

1028
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: to say it because I like them, but Bad Company

1029
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: to me is a little bit overrated. It's straight ahead rock.

1030
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 1: Paul Rodgers from Free I mean, it's it's it's great,

1031
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's some elements to it that's great,

1032
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: but it's formulaic and repetitive in that regard. And I

1033
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: just had a few that jumped into my head. I'm

1034
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: trying to remember. It's definitely within the uh with the

1035
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: arena rock realm, where where you get into it you're like, na,

1036
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: these guys, it's missing me. I got to keep the

1037
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: show flowing. But the late seventies is really where where

1038
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: the real hit. And this comes in early seventies, the

1039
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: the fallout of the sixties psychedelic movement, which became sort

1040
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: of mainstream rock in the early seventies, and the build

1041
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: of offshoots of you know, hard rock to metal and

1042
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff is just absolutely brilliant. The jazz fusion

1043
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: of that era brilliant, progressive rock to some degree brilliant.

1044
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: But then it gets too much. He's here's a good one.

1045
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Here's a good one. It's like I could tell you

1046
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: that Yes is equally the most underrated and overrated band

1047
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: of all time, right because the indulgence. Emerson Lincoln Palmer's

1048
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: another great one. I could put on their two best albums, ELP,

1049
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: put on the headphones, Sit and Row eight and just

1050
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: be like, damn, this is great stuff. But they got

1051
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: some indulgent shit. If you go deeper down the catalog,

1052
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: same thing. Styx is another one sticks sucks. I mean,

1053
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: there are you know, I got a couple of records

1054
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: and you know they'll they'll hit you between the eyes

1055
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: with some good rock. But yeah, those are the overrated

1056
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: bands that really make me questioning, like am I losing

1057
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: my te levels while listening to them? Hey, to each

1058
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: their own right. At the end of the day, let's

1059
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: go over down to the miscellaneous section here. By the way,

1060
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: BC could go all day here speaking of the third

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00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: person here, it's up to you if you like this

1062
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: and you want to stay for this content, but I

1063
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: could read you the inside of my mind for hours. Here. Uh,

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00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: let's go over to aa HS. What advice would you

1065
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: give to people who are losing interest or falling out

1066
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: of love with one of their passions? How can they

1067
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: deal with that and come to terms with that great

1068
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: question whether your passion is ends up being your job,

1069
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: which is the case to me, and I consider myself

1070
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: one of the luckiest in the world because you know,

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00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: if I didn't have this as a job, would I

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00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: still be watching fights? Yep? Would I still be dreaming of,

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00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, getting money together and taking a guy's weekend

1074
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: and going to fights? Yep? I get to do this

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00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: for a living. Not everybody else does. But when you

1076
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: hit these ruts where your passion no longer feels like

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00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: your passion anymore. And if it's like you know, guitar,

1078
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: and you do it on the side, you could just

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00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: give it up for a while, right, you know, it's

1080
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: not a big deal, But when it's your job, you

1081
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: can't fake it anymore. If it's something that you feel

1082
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: like you're just in a season of despair or disillusion,

1083
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: take a break. Take a break if you can, or

1084
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: pick a different lane that's slightly connected but not completely,

1085
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: and that may just re energize your passion. There's a

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00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: real thing about life cross training, And I don't mean

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00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: that necessarily an exercise sense, but I mean the same

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00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: simple theory. And I think I coincide that with when

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00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: I look back in my life and people say, hey,

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00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: you see what would you change? You know what? And

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00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: it is some to some degree, the whole back to

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00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: the future effect. You know they when they altered history

1093
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: and people start disappearing from the picture. It's like, you

1094
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: can't alter history too much because you need to take

1095
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: those l's and learn from them. You need to have

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00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: failed miserably. You need to have experienced awful things to

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00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: motivate you to never experience those again, or to learn

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00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: lessons of how badly you hurt people, to grow and

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00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: heal and all that. So many things like that. That that,

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00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: But the idea of cross training across your life, of

1101
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: trying different interests, of doing different things, it all matters.

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00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: When I look back at just specifically my career, there

1103
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: were so many turns that were beyond my control. Let's

1104
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: say I was at ESPN and I was working on

1105
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: something that I loved and I was passionate about and

1106
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: that thing got stopped and canceled and they said, no,

1107
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: you're not doing this for your job. Slight things like

1108
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: that have happened. I'm so thankful that those things happened.

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00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful. When I was covering boxing only and

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00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I got a new boss at ESPN, he suddenly said, no,

1111
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: starting today, you're the MMA editor because we know that

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00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: you follow it to a certain degree. And oh, by

1113
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: the way, you're a good writer. We're sending you on

1114
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: the road. You're the UFC columnist on You're on there

1115
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: like you know, moments like that where the door open,

1116
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: the opportunity was there. It wasn't easy, you know, but

1117
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: you gotta kick them down. You got to go after it. Now,

1118
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: that's just an example in terms of a job related

1119
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: but in terms of your passion. When you know it's

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00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: your passion and you know you're involved in it for

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00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: a reason and you hit that wall of runn out

1122
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: of ideas, it's not as much fun to you. You

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00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: got to cross train, you gotta, you know. I always

1124
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: look at Joni Mitchell, for example, she considers herself a painter.

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00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: We know her as a musician. She always pivoted and

1126
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: went into different projects and different genres in one direction

1127
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: and did a record here, and painted for a year here,

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00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: and then came back into a record year. If you're

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00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: able to float and do that the new experiences in

1130
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: your life and to offer an experience that translates back

1131
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: to what you were originally doing to it just all matters.

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00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: It's all connected. And so there's a little bit of

1133
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: two cent advice from a guy who works in his

1134
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: basement and covers cage fighting for a living. All right,

1135
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: there so many questions we can get to. Let's go

1136
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: back to the sport of MMA here as that people

1137
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: have questions in BC might have answers. I'm not really

1138
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: sure this is from I'll name this channel later. This

1139
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: channel's called Morning Combat Dude. John Jones Sun an eight

1140
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: fight deal. Dana said he didn't have a contract. Does

1141
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: this mean for the last three years John wasn't in

1142
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: the testing pool. I can't speak to the testing part

1143
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: of it because I'd have to ask Aaron brons Setter,

1144
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: who team seems to be all over the testing websites

1145
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: to find out who's tested the most and all that.

1146
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: But I thought Richard Schaeffer made an amendment during his

1147
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: interview with Arioljuana yesterday as to what Dana said publicly Saturday,

1148
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: whereas this isn't a new eight fight deal for John.

1149
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: He was already under an eight fight deal but just

1150
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: hadn't fought in three years. But what obviously the reason,

1151
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons why John hadn't fought in

1152
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: the last three years while bulking up to heavyweight was

1153
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: the gap in money. And that's why I think it

1154
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: was perfect timing where Francis was offered a shit ton

1155
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: of money and ultimately said no to fight John. And

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00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: I think some of that money was easy to go. Okay, John,

1157
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: we're shifting. Now you are the guy again, let's go.

1158
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: So I think John to a degree got a lot

1159
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: of the money he was looking for when he initially

1160
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: said I want Deontay Wile other money blah blah blah.

1161
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: But it was you know, Schaeffer who said John's problem

1162
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: initially was that the contract offered no level of bonus

1163
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: or essentially increases for moving up to heavyweight. The amendments

1164
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: to the contract now do, so that's ultimately the difference there.

1165
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: But how that pertains to the testing. I don't have

1166
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: that answer, and I would be interested of knowing, but

1167
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: I do have, I think the natural level of skepticism

1168
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: that a lot of people have about USADA in general,

1169
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: about the testing, about the privileges stars get, about all

1170
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: that stuff. They moved a fight card for John Jones

1171
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: and the Gustus and rematched on Christmas week on five

1172
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: days notice, from one state to another, right, like, all right, peakograms,

1173
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to be the guy who's naive here.

1174
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't actually know the answer to this question, but

1175
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I already actually do know the answer

1176
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 1: to this question if you get my drift right there,

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00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: all right, staying down the line here in an mma,

1178
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh good one here from I am somewhere, I am somewhere, well,

1179
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: aren't we all? Hamzad is now bulking up to middleweight size.

1180
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: If so, five top realistic matchups for him at middlewaight

1181
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: is that official? Though? I've seen the pictures of him

1182
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: with lifting gloves and being jacked. But as we all know,

1183
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: you can go to the gym and get a great

1184
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: workout and get that swollen, you know, take your Instagram

1185
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: picture and look like you're suddenly twenty five pounds bigger

1186
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: of muscle. I don't know this yet to be true,

1187
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: but I still think unless he knows and his team knows,

1188
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: meaning hamsuch am I have in his heart that he

1189
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: cannot consis distantly make welterweight, not just for one big fight,

1190
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: but consistently, then middleweight's the move. I think middleweight's inevitably

1191
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: the move right anyway. But I still feel like we

1192
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: have to see him play this welterweight thing out. You

1193
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: know that I don't know. I don't really know what happened,

1194
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: how he can miswait that badly for an Adaz. There's

1195
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: some weird elements that whole week to be really fair,

1196
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not doing a big conspiracy bit, but there's

1197
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: there's there's some on like if you only label people

1198
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: based on either they believe conspiracies or they don't, you'd

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00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: put me in the more crazier side of it. And

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00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: there were times in my life that I really believed

1201
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: in conspiracies. But I think to a large degree, I've

1202
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: sobered up on some very important ones. But there are

1203
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: certain ones where I'll tell you at the end of

1204
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: the day, I won't say them because they're hot button,

1205
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: but you know, do I officially one hundred percent believe

1206
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: that was a conspiracy. No, But do I believe there's

1207
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: unanswered questions and things that don't match up. Yes, to

1208
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: some degree. The whole situation with with missing weight, with

1209
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: how he acted on the microphone afterwards, I just don't

1210
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: get it. I don't get how someone that like was

1211
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: it just the pressure of the situation got to him.

1212
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. If he does announce to move to middleweight,

1213
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: then I guess you can look back and say, Okay,

1214
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: this is his body's way in some degree of telling him,

1215
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: you know that that he that he can't make that anymore?

1216
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: Or did he just f up because he thought this

1217
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: is an easy fight against name. I don't know any

1218
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: of that situation, But if he can still make it,

1219
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it's the company's duty to put him in

1220
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: line to face the winner of the Usmann trilogy against

1221
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards, which I believe this announces from was it March? Uh?

1222
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: Does he have to win a fight first? It would

1223
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: be it would be like it would be hope, it

1224
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: would be Uh. It would be preferred by me because

1225
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you can reward a guy for missing

1226
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: weight that badly and blowing that situation. Now, he did

1227
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: come in there and just absolutely destroy Kevin Holland in

1228
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: the same regard, in the last minute situation. But let's

1229
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: play that welterweight thing out first. Put him against Colby, right,

1230
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: Let's do that. Set that up if he wins that

1231
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: gem the title shot, because I do believe we have

1232
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: something super special here. But he will be there in

1233
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: middleway eventually, and if the move was now you want

1234
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: to know, what are the matchups that make a lot

1235
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: of sense that I want to see that would be

1236
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: the best challenge for him all that stuff, Well, I

1237
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: mean it's easy. You just look at the top. I mean,

1238
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: would you not want to see what his aggressive, dominant

1239
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: wrestling side mixed with that dog that we know is

1240
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: that is in him that came out against Gilbert Burns

1241
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: that I think was showcased against Gilbert, meaning he didn't

1242
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: have to fight that way, but he wanted to to

1243
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 1: show you he's a problem for everybody. He's a problem

1244
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: for everyone in this division, from Ansania to the current

1245
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: champion Poeton, to whit occur to all of that. The

1246
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: matchups are so interesting, but we still don't know a

1247
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: ton about Hamza Chimayev. We know, up to a certain

1248
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: level of competition that he can rag doll folks, embarrass them,

1249
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: put them away, and you know, in a couple minutes,

1250
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: what about when you start to fight, find legitimate pushback.

1251
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: That's sort of why I want to say, see this

1252
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: incrementally done at welterweight first, moving up to middleweight. But

1253
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: if he goes into middleway tomorrow, all the matchups we

1254
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: all want to see, but we don't actually know what

1255
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna look like because you can only answer questions

1256
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: with the fights you've been given to showcase yourself, and

1257
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: most of these fights didn't go the distance, didn't show

1258
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: us beyond just an early you know. It's why when

1259
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: Francis was entering into the Steepey rematch a few years

1260
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: ago for the title that it was hard to tell

1261
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: on the destruction path that he had built leading up

1262
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: there was like four first round knockouts whether he really

1263
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: had evolved. It wasn't until that steep A rematch when

1264
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: he showed the wrestling, when he showed the confidence, the poise,

1265
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: the gas tank that you're like, oh crap, somebody learned

1266
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: to put right like you know, like you're like, oh shit, yeah,

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Speaker 1: in that regard, I don't know yet for hams up,

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: but I want to see him against everybody, and I'm

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00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: sure you do too. Just the same. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: keep it, keep it flowing here, let it flow, let

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Speaker 1: it grow great. Dave Mason seventy. Yeah, let's go into

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: the box. Got anything else here in the box. This

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01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: is from Bada Latov rank the following three potential Tyson

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Speaker 1: Fury fights in order of a financial success and pay

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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: per view sales, B, interest or importance to Fury. I e.

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Speaker 1: Which fight would mean the most and be most important

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Speaker 1: to him? Uh? Here are your options Fury versus Usik,

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: Fury versus a J and Fury versus in Ghanu. How

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Speaker 1: do these rankings affect your opinion about whether a Fury

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: or in Ghanu fight ever happened? Okay, I think that's

1281
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: an interesting side to the equation here saying okay, on

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: Ghanu's walking now into the direction of He's available in

1283
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: boxing if you want, But don't we have an undisputed

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: championship fight to make first against Alexander Usik. Yes, Tyson

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: Fury does. I don't you know. I think we've It's

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: weird It's like Tyson Fury shows us so many different

1287
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: tells and teases, yet he's always fucking around in the interviews.

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: That's like you never know is he trying to sell

1289
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: us on something? Is he just effing around? Is he

1290
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: just like whatever? Is he crazy today? Is he telling

1291
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: the truth? He's going to be favored against every single

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01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: heavyweight and I think he beats them all. So know

1293
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: that is my foundation. But I was nervous leading up

1294
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: to hear that he was going to try to find

1295
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: a way to not fight oor Sick for whatever reason.

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01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any direction he can go. But

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Speaker 1: right through that now, I don't think that's the fight

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: he wants the most. So if I ordered these, you

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01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: asked me to order these. In terms of overall Tyson's

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: interests mixed with how big the fight would be and

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01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: how important it could be, I think the fight Fury

1302
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: wants more than anything for his career is Anthony Joshua

1303
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: at a soccer stadium all Britain. Opportunity for the most

1304
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: amount of money they can possibly get, and you know,

1305
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: attendance records and all that. I mean, to be fair,

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: he was willing to just kind of shoehorn that in

1307
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: December if it was possible, and it wasn't, And I think,

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, Joshua's got a lot of questions to answer

1309
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: about the training team moving forward with style he's going

1310
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: to impart. But I do think we will see Joshua

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01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: two to three times this year, and I think he's

1312
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: going to bounce back and be ready to be a

1313
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: big fight. So I still think we're gonna make this

1314
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: fight regardless, and I think, you know, Aj has to

1315
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: be back for this fight to really matter in that regard.

1316
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, Fury would make it today

1317
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: if if Aj wasn't coming off a loss, and wasn't

1318
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, because I also think when when Fury looks

1319
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: at this, he knows AJ's his calico Barry, his dance

1320
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: partner commercially, but he also knows he can handle it,

1321
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: and he knows there's enough thread in there to make

1322
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: it fun. But he can do that. I think next

1323
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: has to be Usik because I think there's a lot

1324
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: of pressure on Fury with not just the belts, but

1325
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: the sport, the money involved in all that. So it's

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01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: Usik number one, it's Aj number two, and that would

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01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: leave in Ghanu three. Do I really believe that Tyson

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01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: Fury wants this the third most. I just think there's

1329
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: too much history in front of him right now with

1330
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: the Usk thing that if it was a year ago

1331
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: in Ghanu was free, I'd put in Ghanu number one

1332
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: on this list, because I think Tyson's smart enough to

1333
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: know I can go and do this barnstorm and thing.

1334
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: I can even change the rules a bit to make

1335
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: it a little bit more even. I think Tyson wants

1336
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: the challenge and the threat, but also the knowledge that

1337
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: I have what it takes to best this guy, you know,

1338
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: So in that to that degree, I think he wants

1339
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: to make the fight a little more dangerous than it

1340
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: has to be, but still knows at the end of

1341
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: the day he'll handle Francis. It'll be an easy night out.

1342
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: I'll make a lot of money. Right now, I still

1343
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: think that would be third on his list. But could

1344
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: we see it this calendar year. It's an interesting question.

1345
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: What if we do see Usik versus Fury in the

1346
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: first half, Let's say Fury wins. Yeah, I think we

1347
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of probably start building toward in Ghanu, because Joshua

1348
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: was still going to need some time to come back,

1349
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: Fury would have all four titles. There wouldn't be a

1350
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: ton of pressure. I don't believe on you owe this

1351
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: mandatory excuse me right now, we got to do this,

1352
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: so if we I wonder if we do see that

1353
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: this calendar year. It's interesting, it's an interesting question. But

1354
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: I think what I'm trying to say on this long

1355
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: woodenness on Fury is that he's not afraid of anybody.

1356
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: He wants to smoke, but he wants at this point

1357
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: in his currier wants all the business to match up.

1358
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: The business I think is more important to him than

1359
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: the than the legacy and his history side of it,

1360
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: because he has accomplished so much already. If he walked

1361
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: away tomorrow, he would have some kind of asterisk argument

1362
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: of being the best of this era and maybe the

1363
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, among the best ever. But I don't ever

1364
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: question that he's ever duck in somebody. I just think

1365
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: he's at a point now where he's like, I got

1366
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: I gotta make the smartest financial moves here soon. I

1367
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: just think that the USAK fight has been pushed off

1368
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: too long. It's time let's do this thing right there,

1369
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: all right. Miscellaneous question sliding through here from Enrique L.

1370
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: Luke often mentions his last breakup, I think relationship wise,

1371
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: when people ask how to deal with heartbreak, do you

1372
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: have any advice to get over a long term relationship? Yeah,

1373
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: let's let's let's have some real talk here. We've all

1374
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: we've all beten through it, right for the most part.

1375
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: We you know, is it better to have loved and

1376
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: been and been stomped on, you know, than of not

1377
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: loved at all? Yes, yes, it is. It's better to

1378
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: have endured these experiences to feel one of the most incredible, pure,

1379
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, amazing things in this life, which is, you know,

1380
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: a loving relationship with your partner, whether that's in the

1381
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: dating sense or ultimately, if that's the road you choose,

1382
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: the marriage sense in starting a family. So when that,

1383
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: when that ends, when that gets ripped apart, when that's

1384
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: somebody you've now looked at and said, I see my

1385
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: future in them, they are my future, right, That's that's

1386
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: everything I ever wanted in life, right here, right now,

1387
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: and then it falls apart. You. I don't think any

1388
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: of us are ever prepared for how much that devastates

1389
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: everything you ever were, any foundation of toughness that you

1390
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: ever stood on or stood for, like anything that you

1391
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: ever leaned on to believe in your own ability. You

1392
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: just get wiped off like a like wiped out, like

1393
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: a tsunami coming through. And it's gut wrenching, and it

1394
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: can cause you to do embarrassing things. It can cause

1395
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: you to do things you never you know thought were possible.

1396
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, there's

1397
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: two competing ideas that have to be going at the

1398
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: same time for you to properly survive this, whether it's heartbreak, care,

1399
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: whether it's really any challenge in life. Is that The

1400
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: greatest piece of advice I've ever heard in this area

1401
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: is you know, you hear a lot come up in

1402
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: Christian self help talk. If you're going through hell, keep going.

1403
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: You have to go. You have to get through it.

1404
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: Because there's two errors that people make in reaction to this.

1405
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: One is it is I'm just going to bury it

1406
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to deal with it because it's

1407
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: foreign and it hurts and I'm too tough for this,

1408
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna move on. You do that, it's

1409
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: going to come back and haunt you the rest of

1410
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: your life and screw up your future opportunities and hold

1411
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: you back from you know, evolving and finding peace and freedom.

1412
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: The flip side is setting up shop in that in

1413
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: that dirty puddle of despair and never leaving. And you know,

1414
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: and there's some people who never recover that first huge,

1415
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: life changing monster heartbreak because for some people that comes,

1416
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, and that comes in marriage, or that comes

1417
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: in you know, some people don't. People are different. We

1418
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: all have different walks of life. Some people have been

1419
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: in and out of relationships, have been hurt and been

1420
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: the hurder many times. By the time they get to

1421
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: a certain age, they're veterans at this game. Even though

1422
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: you even though, even though, even though there's always a

1423
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: receipt to be had in an end of the relationship,

1424
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: whether you're ending it or the other one, there's always

1425
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: receipts in terms of the of the stuff. You have

1426
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: to walk through, the hearts of the feelings. But you

1427
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: can't live in there and you can't avoid it. You've

1428
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: got to live it and endure it and get through it.

1429
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: And it's easier said than done, but it's something to

1430
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: always remember. Keep going because there will become a time

1431
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: when you're finally through it and you finally have a

1432
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: better understanding of who you are, how this world works,

1433
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: what love means, that all that stuff that you're going

1434
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: to regret how you acted, you know earlier, when it

1435
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: first happened. As much as you want to contact that

1436
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: other person, whether you're the hurder or the herd e,

1437
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: I think all that does is complicate it more. You've

1438
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: got to make a decision if you've just been hurt

1439
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: and been through, just been wrecked, you know, and usually

1440
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: everyone in life gets won where you just get wrecked.

1441
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: You didn't see it coming and you just got you know, leveled.

1442
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: You can't you can't chase it back. You got to

1443
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: move on, but you got to walk it out, and

1444
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: you've got to deal with your own feelings and and

1445
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: and know that it's going to take time. You know,

1446
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: you're not probably not going to go out with your

1447
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: friends and be out in public for a while. Sometimes

1448
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: you got to you got to do the work behind

1449
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: the scenes in a healthy way and get through it.

1450
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: But you've got to be moving forward because when you

1451
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: ultimately land on you know where you were destined and

1452
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be in the beginning, and you and you

1453
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: meet that one, it's gonna be worth it, and you

1454
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: will be in a much better position to have gone

1455
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: through the experiences you have to be to know what

1456
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: you know. It's like you know ever know how to

1457
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: treat somebody until you try and you mistreat somebody. Right,

1458
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: It's like that's the ultimate teacher in life, you know,

1459
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: and in some in some ways on the flip side,

1460
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 1: you never know how much you actually deserve in a

1461
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: relationship until you for a long time don't get what

1462
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: you deserve. And but you got to go through those experiences.

1463
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: So keep going, brother, all right, keep going the lights

1464
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: at the end. It's not easy, but it's worth it.

1465
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: It's worth it because that's the experience. It's life, right,

1466
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: Like you can't underestimate the power of of of of

1467
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: the heart and the feelings. And luckily we've got this

1468
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: great music to to, you know. I mean, it's nothing

1469
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: better than a great breakup album, right, you know, whether

1470
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan,

1471
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: whether it's uh, I was trying to I was gonna.

1472
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: I was making a ranking in my head the other day,

1473
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: the top five like divorce or breakup albums in history,

1474
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: And there's so many great ones where it's sort of like,

1475
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: leave me alone. This is my depression. Let me get

1476
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: through it on my own way, and I'm going to

1477
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: get through it with these headphones on right now. Okay,

1478
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Uh, let's keep it rolling here

1479
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: as we wind down the uh the back end here

1480
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: of the BC chat. I'm gonna close, of course, with

1481
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: some recommendations in a few different categories here, but back

1482
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: to him and make quickly Derek Alexander Smith. There's been

1483
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about how important the John Jones

1484
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: fight is for Francis's legacy, But what if John looks

1485
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: awful in the comeback and part of the way is

1486
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: part of the way we remember Francis's departure going to

1487
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: depend on how John looks. Yeah, yeah, Look, nothing's in

1488
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: stone here. There's no guarantee that Francis goes and makes

1489
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: more money than he ever did and is successful and

1490
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: wins his knee. May never respond he's not young, although

1491
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: he's not we're not in a panic. He's thirty six

1492
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: at heavyweight, you know, he's in his prime. But then

1493
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: there's zero garmant there, zero guarantee he isn't going there,

1494
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: and Bogt like, let's Let's say he does something that

1495
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want him to do, which is trying to

1496
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: build to wild'er in fury take on a you know,

1497
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: credible heavyweight. But who's on the down end. Like imagine

1498
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: if you thought Derek Jasare. A lot of people are saying,

1499
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: what if you thought you don't fight Jasaura? Okay, what

1500
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: are you going there? And you know, you guess how

1501
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: you get knocked out? It goes back, You're gonna risk

1502
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: and ruin that future payday. There are ways this goes bad.

1503
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,879
Speaker 1: And on the flip side, John suddenly the hero sliding

1504
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: in here to some weird degree from a UFC sense,

1505
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and and you know, there's there's a

1506
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 1: chance this three years was everything John needed physically and mentally,

1507
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: even with all the self enforced errors that he's had,

1508
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean some you know, unforgivable errors to some degree

1509
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: in certain areas of his personal life, but he's motored through.

1510
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: He seems to be in great physical shape. There hasn't

1511
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: been a ton of interviews, but the stuff that we're

1512
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: seeing from that Henry so Hudo and the Captain Eric

1513
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: Albert Sine are putting out who they're now members of

1514
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: his camp. He seems happy. I saw Richard Schaffer's interview.

1515
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: He seems ready to go. It seems like until we

1516
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: see him fight and win or lose. Right now, it

1517
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: does feel like this. In the long run, maybe this

1518
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: break was what John needed. In all the greats, they

1519
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: do need a break from that grind, and that could

1520
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: be a great fighter, a great artist, or you know whatever,

1521
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: like you need to step away at some level in

1522
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: your not your early prime, but your mid to late

1523
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: prime and refreshed. This wasn't what John had planned to do,

1524
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: and no one thought he'd be gone for three years.

1525
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: But there's a scenario where John just goes out there

1526
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: and does to all the heavyweight's gone included everything we

1527
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: thought he ever could. And you know, let's not forget

1528
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: that when you move up to heavyweight, especially from light heavyweight,

1529
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: there is you know, like the speed is going to

1530
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: be could potentially be some I know, Gone is not slow.

1531
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: So that's why this matchup is so interesting. But you know,

1532
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: there is a scenario where John just goes in there

1533
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: and does John Jones things, and we go, wow, that

1534
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,959
Speaker 1: three years really helped him kind of just you know, reboot,

1535
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: and here we are John Jones two point zero. But

1536
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: to your point, there is and also a reality that

1537
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: he goes in there and just gets handled or fights

1538
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: great but gets knocked out. I mean, there's so many

1539
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: ways you can lose in this game, and John's ability

1540
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: largely to not have done that right short of the

1541
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: Hamil DQ And maybe maybe you thought Reyes or Maheta

1542
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: beat him, or maybe Gustuson in the first fight. And

1543
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's I'm a truther of Gustuson had

1544
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: a case, but it's not so much GSP versus Johnny

1545
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: HENDRICKX for me. But I think there's some argument in

1546
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: that first one. But yes, if John Jones goes out

1547
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: there and gets wrecked, it's interesting. There's levels to wrecked.

1548
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: But let's say it's devastatingly wrecked, and let's say he

1549
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: or let's say you know, he loses and then tries

1550
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: to come back and loses again. You know what I mean,

1551
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: there's ways that this can go really badly. And also,

1552
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: as much as I'm not wishing for this on John,

1553
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: I do wonder how long Karmel wise, whether you believe

1554
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: in that good things happen to good people, you know,

1555
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: in the long run or not. But he's been teftlon

1556
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,919
Speaker 1: in so many categories to be able to escape major

1557
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: misfortune because of his actions, because of his name, meaning

1558
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: he's created, he's done the type of offenses that would

1559
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: get people fired put away. Like a lot of bad

1560
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: things could have happened to John that didn't. He's been

1561
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: largely teft on same thing. Inside the cage. He's gotten

1562
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: the decisions in his favor. Although in all of those fights,

1563
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: for the most part, I did think John, you know,

1564
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: had the better case of having won. At some point,

1565
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: the bad luck's got to you know, MMA wise, the

1566
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: good luck has to run out to some degree. I

1567
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: don't know. But if John doesn't do it at heavyweight,

1568
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: if he goes in there and loses this fight, loses

1569
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: the follow up, and you know, I don't know, is

1570
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: there a scenario where he could cut back down and

1571
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: just continue as light heavyweight at that age with that muscle,

1572
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: I would have serious doubts. We all remember the Roy

1573
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: Jones Harvard situation. But would that change the way this

1574
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: has looked? Yeah, that would change the way this transaction

1575
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: is viewed, for sure. But I also think, you know,

1576
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: outside of just the precedent, of Dana not wanting to

1577
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: give into and Gonda's boxing demands in that regard is

1578
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: you know they're in a great spot because you know,

1579
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: John Jones could go out there and beat Gone and

1580
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: be the greatest of all time, and you know he's

1581
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: already a proven draw and people are interested he crosses

1582
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:42,520
Speaker 1: over even despite his own setbacks. That it's like, okay,

1583
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: we may have in a weird degree, up upgraded because

1584
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: of the questions facing France as possible. It's also possible

1585
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: if Gon blows away Francis, that you just go, okay,

1586
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: we finally have it. Here's your real heavyweight two point

1587
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: other that can do it all and do it dynamically.

1588
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways that can win. It's also

1589
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that things can change. And look

1590
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: back at this, it's like that to Metrice Johnson Askrin Trade,

1591
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: I think at various times we thought various things, but

1592
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: now we think, okay, in the long run, I mean,

1593
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was almost a push, and to

1594
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: some degree it was. I mean, if you look at it,

1595
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: as you know, Askrin was used to put over Masbita

1596
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: on a level we never thought possible. Then does that

1597
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: help that trade to some degree, but things change in

1598
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: terms of how we perceive them based on different things.

1599
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: If John goes out there and gets wiped out, even

1600
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: with the idea of God still being a star, they

1601
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: can build around and lean on. I think you're always

1602
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna say what if. And I think, certainly on the

1603
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: idea of in Gono versus Jones, you're always gonna say

1604
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: what if. But there's something interesting, and Luke said it

1605
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: on our Monday Bonus Show as sort of like an afterthought, like, hey,

1606
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: Francis could always come back to UFC one day. That's

1607
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: the interesting part for Nate too, right, That's why I

1608
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: left that open for really anybody. The only thing you

1609
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: cannot completely compare Dana White to Vince mcmahontoo, even though

1610
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: there's so many parallels and there are times they had

1611
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: been close and talked and I'm sure Vince gave him

1612
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: advice and all that. I'm sure Dana took a lot

1613
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: from watching how Vince operates on the long run. But

1614
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: the one thing that that Vince had as almost like

1615
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: a superpower, well he had a lat of shame, so

1616
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: does Dana, but his ability to always forgive for the

1617
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: sake of business like Vince could could get in the

1618
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: same type of things we accused Dana for in terms

1619
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: of holding grudges against people or holding people back or

1620
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: all that stuff too. But if somebody made money, no

1621
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: matter how much they they they trashed the wwn the

1622
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: way out, or whether they screwed them over business wise,

1623
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: here's Vince welcoming back, Hogan welcoming back, Brett Heart welcoming back.

1624
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: Anybody you can think of. I mean, seempunk might be

1625
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: the only one right now that would have to break

1626
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: that rule. But who still hasn't come back. But because

1627
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: it's to him at the end of the day, it

1628
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: was about the business that was the most important thing,

1629
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: not even his own personal cares or beliefs. I wonder

1630
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: if if there's a scenario there for Francis where he

1631
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: does go out do the boxing thing, make a ton

1632
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: of money, maybe do a one or two fight deal

1633
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: with one promotion or whatever. But let's say two years

1634
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: from now, if John Jones is still the heavyweight champion,

1635
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: right like, if that happens and he's still the heavyweight

1636
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: champion and Francis is a free agent, and is there

1637
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: a scenario where everyone's talking about that fight, and it's

1638
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: just like fate or versus Randy, only the windows back.

1639
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,480
Speaker 1: We could get it again. Could he come back. There's

1640
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: a chance, there's a scenario. And it didn't seem like

1641
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: outside of framing Francis is leaving as he just wants

1642
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: easy fights for big money, which is not does not

1643
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: seem to be the accurate way to paint this. It

1644
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: didn't seem like Gan it was bashing him. It didn't

1645
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: seem like he you know, was offended by him. It

1646
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: just seemed like one wanted one thing, the other side

1647
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to give it, and they both said goodbye.

1648
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: So there you go. But wouldn't it be interesting if

1649
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Francis leaving changed the

1650
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: game enough where somebody could come back in his situation,

1651
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: even with whatever said back and forth, and even you know,

1652
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: without having to come back and sign an eight fight deal.

1653
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Can you be a big enough star

1654
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: who becomes a free agent, but then keeps close enough

1655
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 1: with the company where you can come back and do

1656
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: the type of big returns you want. Understandably tries to

1657
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: limit that unless you're somebody like a Lessenar level who

1658
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: anytime he'd be willing they'd open the doors back up

1659
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: to a certain degree throughout most of that gap between

1660
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: his appearances. But it's interesting if things change over time.

1661
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: It's interesting if if in three years from now, if

1662
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: Dana is still in power, and whenever Dana does leave,

1663
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: does that radically change fighter treatment or is the fighter

1664
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: treatment more of a institutionalized financial decision by the company

1665
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: in heavy part influenced by endeavor and the EBITA, E

1666
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: B I T and all that John Nash financial stuff.

1667
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: That those guys are brilliant understanding that I can't even

1668
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: bounce my own checkbooks, so I barely can can speak here.

1669
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: But how much how different will you have c culture

1670
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: be for fighters in five years and ten years? It's

1671
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: very interesting. Obviously, the guys, most of the stars from today,

1672
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, by the time major change happens, probably won't

1673
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: still be active or still be part of it. But

1674
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: you never know, and it's going to be interesting to

1675
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: see what the large long form impact of this Francis

1676
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 1: decision and situation ends up being for him, for everybody.

1677
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: That's why I do think it's bigger than just oh,

1678
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: a thirty six year old heavyweight coming off of a

1679
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: knee injury who didn't get everything he wanted walked away. No,

1680
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: to me, it's much much bigger than that food question

1681
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: here from young Dirty Flocco PC, what is the perfect sandwich? Well,

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: it's no longer the hot dog, nor is a hot

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: dog a sandwich. Although I get functionally why people make

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01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: that stupid argument, because you're just taking a piece of

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01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 1: bread and folding it in theory, right, what's the perfect sandwich?

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01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it depends on your flavor, right,

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01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean there's some people like like, you know, I've

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01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: gone to Subway a million times like everybody else, but

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: I tend to only get the you know, meatball or

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01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: the chicken palm when they have it or something in

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01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: that guard. Although I've tried everything and have a decent

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01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: amount of respect, you know, I'm not the type of

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01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: guy who goes to the Italian Deli and gets the

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: Italian Special and you know it's good. It's just not great.

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01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: To me. It's not my thing in that same level.

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01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm much more of the chicken palm, chicken cutlet at

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01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: that that direction meet all, of course, But have you

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01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: ever had a just a drop dead roast beef sandwich

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01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: at a diner, at a at a luncheon at where

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: you know not it's not our Bee's beef and cheddar

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01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: fast food style. It's like the slow cook style and

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01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: the gravy and the onions and the bond there. I

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01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: always reserve roast beef sandwiches to a category of when

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: I almost put it in the same category of barbecue ribs.

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01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't like ribs unless I know their

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 1: top shelf because it's such a it's such a gross tease.

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's like when you it's like when you

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01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: get your first adult VHS tape, Like you know, you

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01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,759
Speaker 1: get it through the smuggling system in your high school.

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01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: Somebody knows somebody who has got an older brother, and

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01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, then somebody's got a gym bag filled with them. Yeah,

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01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: those things happen in the night, and then you just

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01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: get a gross tape and you're like, oh wow, what

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01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,919
Speaker 1: a waste of time and effort there. You know, anything

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: short of top shelf in barbecue ribs is just that

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01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: it's just an insult. But let's say you got a

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01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: great one. It's no better meal in the world. Roastby

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01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: sandwich is kind of like that. So that's sort of

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01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: the perfect extreme sandwich to me. But everybody knows in

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: my life. My I guess it's my weird guilty pleasure.

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: I don't think's guilt. I'm not guilty at all. Guys,

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01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: peanut butter and cheese is a bad ass sandwich, has been,

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: will always be. And every single person in my life

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01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: has said ill when I mention it. But so it's

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01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of people have said ill, gross when

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: I've mentioned that that's my favorite sandwich. And it has

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01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: always been in terms of like a, hey, there's nothing

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01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: for lunch to make. What am I going to do? Oh?

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01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: Let me make this sandwich. I'd say twenty five percent

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01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: of those people have tried it. And you know, after

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01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: criticizing it, and of that twenty five percent, say ninety

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01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: nine percent, I've said, oh shit, this is something. There's

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01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: something here. BC Americ in cheese with peanut butter. There's

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01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: something here. Guys, don't miss that. If you haven't, there's

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: there's definitely something there. All right. That's you know, this

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01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: is the BC Live chat. There is some a little

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01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: bit of weird breaking news in boxing. We know that

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01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: Adrian Broner signed with b l K Prime, and a

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01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, had skepticism over whether he's

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: getting the money he's saying he is. Will they ever

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01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: have another fight card he was supposed to fight. I've

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: in Redcotch February twenty fifth on a b LK Prime

1743
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: pay per view. Red Cotch is out, and I've seen

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01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: him on Twitter going after promoter Joe DeGuardia accusing him

1745
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: of holding him back from this fight Hammer and Hank

1746
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: Lundy is gonna replace him, And you know that's a

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: downgrade and hand I love Hammer and Hank and he's

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01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: still going right, but uh, and and knowing Broner's knowing

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01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: Bronner and knowing the fact that Lundy's still willing to

1750
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 1: fight anybody every week. If you know, he's one of

1751
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: those guys he doesn't have shame right now at the

1752
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: amunt of losses, he's polling up. He's have gun, Well,

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01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: we'll travel, we'll fire it. He may end up giving

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01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: a b a problem, but on a pay per view,

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01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: this is this is weird. I don't I just don't,

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01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, Triller kind of just disappeared. I'm not saying

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01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: bl BLK Prime is the next Triller, But I'm not

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01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: saying it isn't either. I don't know how this thing's

1759
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen another time. It barely happened the first time.

1760
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: I mean, we got to be honest about something here.

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01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it made enough news. Right before the

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01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: Crawford Eveniesen fight, the local promoter hired to run the

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01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: event locally, right like they there was you know, there

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01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: was b l K Prime, the streaming service. But the

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01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: local promoter they hired two days before. He got off

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: the what he thought was a sinking ship and and

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01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: and removed his license from the in from the agreement

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01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: and saw that he was not he could not. He

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01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: later said it was Steve bash from bash Boxing. He

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01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: later said, uh, I wasn't confident I was able to

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01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: pay everybody what was promised on my team and who's

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: working on this this thing, you know, And and he

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: pulled out of that, and they still went forward and

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01:23:58,479 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: they had it. And there's a lot of debate of

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01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: whether Terrence Crawford got both sides of his you know,

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01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: he got the five million up front, did he ever

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01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: get the second five million? There's a lot of debate

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01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: if you actually did. There's a lot of people that

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: said they never got paid from that, so I got

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01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: questions about that. I'm not cheering against them. You know,

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01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: boxing's weird. It's like everyone that tries to enter the

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01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: game gets such resistance. I'm trying to resist anybody from

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01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: coming from coming in. I just have serious doubts about

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01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: where this money is coming from and who's going to

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01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: buy this, and and you know how you can last

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01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 1: more than without the without this, the structural thing built

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01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: in you know, if you're going to come in. It's

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01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: so how many celebrities have tried to come into boxing

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01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: and be a promoter. How many ex fighters have tried

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: to and failed. It's you have to be savvy, dirty, connected,

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01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: and have a lot of money to blow. And I

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01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: don't see all those categories yet. From BLK BLK Prime,

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01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: who seemed to just arrive like yesterday. So uh yeah,

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01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: there we go. Almost done here on the BC live chat.

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01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you all. Miscellaneous question here from Zachary

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01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: Kazi b C. Would love to hear what you leaned

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01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: in what you would love to hear what you leaned

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01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: in when you pulled yourself out of your darker moments

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01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: in life. As a young man. We did just have

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01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: like a a self help hour here with the BC

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01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: on the relationship question, and Luke, I know, always gives

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01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: great answers in these type of life questions. So I

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01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: don't want to short change you here, But I had

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01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: a quarter life crisis at age twenty five. I've talked

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01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: about it before in various interviews. People have you know,

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: seen or heard bits from it where where things just

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01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: fell apart and you kind of come to those crossroads

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01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: of you know, which side am I going? Am I

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01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 1: searching the chasing the light? Or the darkness? Here? You know?

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01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: Am I am I? Am I complicit in my downfall? Here?

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01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: Do I do? I not know how to stop it?

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01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: Do I not know any other way? Or can I?

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01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Can I fight back? I'm very lucky that I was

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01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: able to storm back. And you know, for me, it

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01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: was sort of a quasi sort of like religious conversion experience.

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01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 1: One day. I guess I can tell the story for

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01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: anybody that cares. But it's a it's it's a it's

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01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: a miraculous story. And I've had a few miracles. I've

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01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 1: had a few miraculous stories in my adult life, many

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01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: involving the health of my children when they were born

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01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: four and a half months premature and had a million

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01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: illnesses and told things couldn't happen, and things happen. Body

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01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: parts grew back. I've seen I've seen some crazy things

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01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: in my life. And when I kind of hit the

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01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: wall at age twenty five and substance abuse and depression

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01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: and a dead end job and college drop out. I mean,

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01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasons to be another statistic

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01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 1: of sort of the epidemic of my hometown in small

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01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: town life. Anyone that comes kind of from like a

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01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: grimy aggressive in an industrial town knows this. You know,

1831
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of good people they don't come out of it,

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01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, or you know, I can't tell you how

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01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: many people that I graduated high school with are dead now.

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01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: And everyone's every every everywhere you go. That happens, right,

1835
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: But there's a an exorbitant amount. There's a lot of

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01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 1: people who have gone down some dark road, and you know,

1837
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: and it could have been me, it could have been you,

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01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: just the same. I was lucky to get out of

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01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 1: that with a life changing spiritual breakthrough where I gave

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01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: my life to Christ and went down that road. And

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01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: that road has been fruitful and amazing, and it's had

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01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: various ups and downs and sometimes where I was all

1843
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: in and sometimes I was skeptical, and sometimes I was

1844
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, and and and you have to walk your

1845
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 1: own path when it comes to those categories. I believe

1846
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: what I believe, and I believe it firm. But you

1847
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: have to believe what you believe for your life. But

1848
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: that changed me. That's what I leaned on. I felt

1849
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: love for the first time. I felt clarity in the

1850
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: way I could. I could think about my role in

1851
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: my life and what my future could entail and how

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01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: do I get there, and the you know, the relationships

1853
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: in my life that are positive that I was turning negative.

1854
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean so many things like that. That was eye

1855
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: opening to me. But it was I felt like it

1856
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: was the circumstances involved. It was a miracle, you know

1857
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: that that that the lights got turned on and I

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01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: was back and I'm thankful and I'm never going to

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01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: throw it away because of that and all that has

1860
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: happened in my life since then. But you have to

1861
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, whether it is a

1862
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, I went through the Christian experience and I

1863
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: stand by that and I'm better for it. And but

1864
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: you have to find your own path, and that could

1865
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: be self help, it could be anything. But if you

1866
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: don't have something to lean on, cling to as a family,

1867
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: a support system during your darkest times, you can't you

1868
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: can't pull yourself out because life is really hard and

1869
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that are almost like

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01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to say predestined, because that's a wrong word,

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01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: but like it's just sort of borne into your circumstances

1872
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: that you can't control, and that can set you up

1873
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: for failure. And how do you get out of it?

1874
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: What do you lean on to get through? At some point,

1875
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: you have to have a belief in something, and that's

1876
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: something could just be that there's good in this world,

1877
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: that good things happen to good people, or that you know,

1878
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: we can mess up, we can go the wrong direction,

1879
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: but inevitably we can turn it around. You're never too

1880
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: that's never too late. All that stuff is true. It's true.

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01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: We're also in you know, in America, which is good

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01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,839
Speaker 1: or bad. But there's like this, you know, this idea

1883
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 1: like romantic feeling like anything's possible and it is it

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01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: really is, it actually really is, And you have to

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01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: lean on some level of belief, because if you don't

1886
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: have that, why are you getting up in the morning,

1887
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Why are you getting out of bed? You know what.

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01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: I've been there where you just numb your feelings away

1889
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: because you don't know how to deal with them, you

1890
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But at some point you have

1891
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: to say, I want to be better, I want to

1892
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: get better, I want to get out of this. But

1893
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: if you don't believe in anything, and that what your

1894
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 1: belief could be in a process, a twelve step processor

1895
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: whatever like, but you have to believe in. Bob Dylan

1896
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: said it best. You gotta serve somebody, right in his

1897
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: famous lyric, I'm not telling you what to serve. That's

1898
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: your own personal journey and maybe it's served no one,

1899
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: and that's that's great. I mean, like, look, be you,

1900
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: but you gotta serve somebody and you go. You gotta

1901
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: believe at the end of the day that you're here

1902
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: for a reason, that this life makes sense. It's not

1903
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five minutes to make it all. You know,

1904
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 1: like the poor a linement from today out list, It's

1905
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: like you got to believe that no matter what you

1906
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: were dealt and no matter what you did to to

1907
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: to ruin your own your own prospects, that that you're

1908
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: meant for something. And when you find out or you

1909
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: begin to understand what that is, I don't just mean

1910
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: career wise, right, like I mean your purpose, like why

1911
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: are we here? Why? What? What do you know? Like?

1912
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,440
Speaker 1: And then if you're blessed enough to be in committed relationships,

1913
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: to have children and to have love and family around you,

1914
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: you got to believe that that there's there's something to this,

1915
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: that this isn't all random, right, you know what I mean.

1916
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend anybody with like, but you

1917
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: get my point like that that that that there is

1918
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: a way out, that there's a reason, and you have

1919
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: a why, and you got to cling to that why, right,

1920
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: that's it, you know, And and and it's never too late,

1921
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: and the journey's never too long or arduous. But life's tough.

1922
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: So you got you gott to arm yourself with something

1923
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: or it's going to fall apart. You got to build

1924
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: that foundation somewhere, right, And some people find that in

1925
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: exercise or they you know, whatever your thing is, find it,

1926
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: find it because trying to just go through this alone

1927
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: in general, you know, I don't need to listen to that.

1928
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. Okay, see where you end

1929
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: up in the end, right, It's it's tough. It's tough,

1930
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: but I appreciate the time, and I got a lot

1931
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: of love for you guys, and I want to close

1932
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: with a couple recommendations, as I like to do on

1933
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: these parts. Okay, Oh, somebody had a question real quick

1934
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: that I wanted to hit here regarding MMA in the

1935
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: one Championship card. I just saw that quickly. Gordon lou

1936
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:41,879
Speaker 1: Is am I saying that. Gordon lou Am I correctly

1937
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: saying I know he's a regular MK guy. How would

1938
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: you rate Stamp Fairtex's performance on Friday Night? I thought

1939
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: she did great, considering she took on a late replacement

1940
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 1: opponent that was a full weight class above her and

1941
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: had the height and reach advantage. She earned that fifty

1942
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: K bonus in my opinion, this is the first fifty

1943
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: K bonus of Stamp's career. But if you didn't know

1944
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: she was supposed to fight in that sort of kickbox

1945
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: mixed rules kickboxing muy Thai and MMA sort of you know,

1946
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: almost like Rod Tang versus Demetrius John Johnson that fight

1947
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 1: falls apart. She agrees on twenty four hours notice to

1948
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: take on Supergirl Jerunsack nineteen years old, tie fighter just

1949
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: like Stamp, and they're fighting in Bangkok and it in,

1950
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: you know. To their credit, the two of them delivered

1951
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 1: what you would expect muy Thai rules. Three rounds, three

1952
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: minutes each, and it was action, especially the first and

1953
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: then the third. But I got to echo a lot

1954
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: of people on social media, I don't think Stamp won

1955
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: this fight. She won a split decision in the end,

1956
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: and I thought she will. The round one would be

1957
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Round one was close ish, but that

1958
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: eight inch reach advantage Supergirl had and the fact that

1959
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: she came right out met Stamp in the center of

1960
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 1: the cage, backed her up to the cage, and then

1961
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: started the land in big right hands, she brought the

1962
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: fight to her. I think it caught Stamp off guard.

1963
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I think there was I think there was even a

1964
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: fallout from that. In Round two was the only round

1965
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: that really wasn't super excited because Stamp really wasn't thrown

1966
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: much and Supergirl was keeping her at the end of

1967
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 1: the jab. But in that first round, look fairtext ate

1968
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: some big shots she started landing counter right hands and

1969
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: they went back and forth and it was great, It

1970
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: was fantastic. But I still scored the first round if

1971
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: you're going by that scoring system, and I don't even

1972
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: to be fair, I don't even remember. Each judge just

1973
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: gave a winner. So they are they judging this fight

1974
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: as a whole. I'm a little bit confused in general,

1975
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: But if I was scoring on a ten point must system,

1976
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: I would have given the first round to Supergirl for

1977
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: just landing the higher amount of volume. Round two, Stamp

1978
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: got wobbled early with a right hand and she just

1979
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: kind of stopped, you know, throwing. Now they had some

1980
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,879
Speaker 1: fun interactions of faking injuries and laughing and high fiving,

1981
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: and you know, Stamp was kind of trying to no

1982
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: sell everything and look, Stamp says, star if you like

1983
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: it took me a while to hear the hype and

1984
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: then actually see it. If you're not watching twenty five

1985
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: year old Stamp fair text and whatever discipline she's fighting.

1986
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, this is somebody who understands charisma and

1987
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: st and how to project, but also puts in the

1988
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: work and is a gnarly, you know, action fighter who's

1989
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: got good skills too. Round three, Stamps finally started to

1990
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: show that she came back. Could you give her round

1991
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: three based on the rally she had at the end,

1992
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: for sure, But I I you know, I'm gonna be fair.

1993
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: I thought you thought you could just the same, go

1994
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: three rounds to zero for Supergirl. So it goes down

1995
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: as a split decision. Each judge picked who they thought once,

1996
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: so I'm assuming they're scoring that on a hole, which

1997
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: tends to be the case for one MMA and the

1998
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: Pride rules. But uh, you know, I don't know it

1999
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 1: was weird. I mean, Supergirl didn't complain about the decision,

2000
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: and they were very friendly, and I'm sure there's mutual

2001
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: respect from the same country there and all that, but uh,

2002
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: give them the circumstances. I don't hold it against Stamp

2003
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: much bigger opponent, and her ability to rally around three

2004
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: showed that true fighting spirit. I just don't think she

2005
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: won that fight at the end of the day, But

2006
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily like overly harmful whether she

2007
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: won or lost given the circumstances. She also understands her role,

2008
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately there as an entertainer. But let me

2009
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: close out with this, I like to give you a

2010
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: couple of recommendations in the way, because some of you

2011
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: do care about that, and I appreciate that I love music.

2012
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: You guys, some of you do too. I mean, you

2013
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 1: got you gotta understand. Like I was texting the other

2014
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 1: it's like, it's a big humble brag, right, Like I

2015
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: was texting, you know John Baldwin Gourley from Portugal de

2016
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: mand the other day. But you know he's a big

2017
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: monster MMA fan, as the whole band is shout out

2018
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: to Zach on bass, all those guys huge MMA fans.

2019
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: But you know that John's a big MK fan and

2020
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: mutual admirers admiration society, and sometimes we can send texts

2021
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: about music, and I was, I was texting the other night.

2022
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I was saying, Look,

2023
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for their next album and I am. I'm

2024
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: excited it's on the way, and I'm excited to see

2025
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: which direction they go sonically after Woodstock, which is a big, polished,

2026
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 1: sort of close up opportunity and it produced the Monster

2027
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 1: hit and all that. But most of my music liking

2028
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,879
Speaker 1: has been of bands that you know, had either peaked

2029
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: or had had their time and been disbanded twenty years ago.

2030
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, what are your best times in

2031
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 1: life as a sports fan. It's following that team, especially

2032
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: during a big playoff run, minute by minute, day by day.

2033
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: In the eighties, was reading the newspapers and listening to

2034
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, wf an for me on radio, and nowadays

2035
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: it's you know, internet block and all that, the day

2036
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: to day coverage of it, the life and death and

2037
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: debate in sports. There's no journey like that when your

2038
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: team makes the run of the championship, whether win or lose,

2039
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: and you you'll never forget it right. Music can be

2040
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 1: like that. Movie watching of a franchise or an actor

2041
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: or a director can be like that. There's some sports

2042
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: equivalents there, but the majority of my music exploration, especially

2043
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: on an album by album basis, which is how I

2044
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: prefer to do it, because I look at each album

2045
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: as as, you know, an artistic statement. I'm not a

2046
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: big you know, shuffler guy of songs or you know,

2047
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: put it turning on the streaming service and just putting

2048
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: it on shuffle. No, not even really a big you know,

2049
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: radio guy per se. Although Sirius XM has won me

2050
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: over to monster degrees. But I was doing that of

2051
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: bands that you know that that they've been gone, I've

2052
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: been you know, twenty years after even some even to

2053
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 1: be fair, even some like Pearl Jam. Now, did I

2054
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: listen to Pearl Jam in its prime launch the ten album,

2055
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, the Versus album, if I telog you all that, Yes,

2056
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: did I watch the videos? Yes? I didn't own the

2057
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: records at that point though. It was more by absorption

2058
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: and osmosis. Although you know, do you ever have those

2059
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: glorious listens of a certain album that you'll never forget

2060
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: where you were what you know what I mean, how

2061
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: you know what number of times that was that you

2062
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 1: heard it? There was a couple of times in the

2063
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 1: back of Rich Brenny's car on the way home from

2064
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: school where he would just stop in front of my

2065
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: house and we'd sit there as a foursome with ten

2066
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: by Pearl Jam that would that had only been out,

2067
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, six months, and just no one's talking, and

2068
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you're just listening to the entire thing from start to finish,

2069
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: and you're just like, wow, Okay, I did have that experience.

2070
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: But even Pearl Jam, per se, I wasn't I was

2071
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: buying the record, you know, the CDs five years later,

2072
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: I was sort of playing ketchup because I've always been

2073
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: so connected to nineteen sixties music, which is, you know,

2074
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: spilled into the seventies. And obviously my exploration over the

2075
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: past couple of years deep into the seventies has been

2076
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: very fruitful. But maybe it's just growing up worshiping my

2077
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: dad's record collection and not being able to play them,

2078
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,759
Speaker 1: but being able to look at them and read everything

2079
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 1: that that I've had a want and love to appreciate

2080
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: the past. Rarely do I have a band now in

2081
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 1: their prime where it's like you can anticipate what direction

2082
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: is that next record going to take? You know, what

2083
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: genre are they going? Is it going to be more

2084
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: commercial or less than the last one? Is this the

2085
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: time they take a chance and jam out or go

2086
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: acid psychedelic, stone a rock? I mean, you know, there's

2087
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that, Like like you know, seeing them

2088
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: in concert on a specific tour and seeing how the

2089
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: lineup where the music changed. That stuff is is wild.

2090
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: I rarely get to do it with bands today because

2091
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 1: even though I like the I love the indie rock

2092
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 1: scene of today in the last fifteen years and will

2093
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: cole My Morning Jacket that those type of bands, there's

2094
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: something special that's the drug, right, that's the kick of

2095
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: being with a band in the moment and seeing how

2096
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: they grow and seeing if they can keep the success going.

2097
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 1: And I don't thank commercial, I mean critically. I mean,

2098
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's rare. First of all, it's rare the

2099
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: band that can last multiple decades. It's obviously rare. The

2100
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 1: band like the Rolling Stones that could essentially be active

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01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: for like sixty seventy years and still be touring in

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01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: their eighties. I mean it's wild. But on top of that,

2103
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: and you know, in some forever bands have had the

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01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: ability to to find the magic again in the mature

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01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: years in little bursts. Bob Dylan's Time out of Mind

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01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven is a great point on that

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01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: where it's sort of like, oh, like a reinvention of

2108
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 1: top shelf material. But for the most part, most bands,

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01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, they have that prime and and you know,

2110
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 1: rare as even a band that can put together a

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01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: five year prime of four or five top shelf albums.

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01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: But to live that in the moment as a fan

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01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: is an experience that I don't do enough of. For

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01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: how much listen music I listened to I tend to

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01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: be too much looking behind. So speaking of looking behind,

2116
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: here's a couple of rex here from your boy BC.

2117
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Let's go with a song recommendation. I want you. Everybody's

2118
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: got their own streaming service, but I think you got

2119
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: to watch the YouTube video with the audio there to

2120
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: really get the full experience. Search in YouTube. The Bob

2121
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 1: Dylan song called It's All Over Now, Baby Blue by

2122
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 1: the band formerly you know, the former band known as

2123
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: the Chris Robinson Brotherhood. It's it was posted on YouTube

2124
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,759
Speaker 1: by the Syrix XM channel and this song was performed

2125
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: live in the Syrix XM studio in twenty sixteen. I

2126
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 1: think it's one of the best cover versions of a

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01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: song in rock history, you know. And when you say

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01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: that something like that, you're like, oh shit, be Ce,

2129
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 1: you know what are we talking about? Like Joe Cocker

2130
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: or the Little Help from my friends at woods Dog,

2131
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 1: like you know that level. Okay, maybe not that level,

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01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: but uh, they nailed this in ways that I it's

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01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 1: it's one of it's just just watch it, Okay, just

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01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: watch it. But you know, a great almost downtrodden breakup

2135
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: song by Bob Dylan and Bob Dylan's breakup songs were

2136
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: typically in the first person, meaning he's the one doing

2137
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 1: the not always right, but for the most part a

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01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: lot of times like he's the one doing the you know,

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01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: don't think twice baby, you know it's all right. It

2140
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 1: ain't me, babe, it ain't me you're looking for And

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01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,759
Speaker 1: this one it's all over now, baby Blue. He's doing

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01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: the damage here. But even when he's doing the damage,

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01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: for the most part, except for positively Fourth Street, he's

2144
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,799
Speaker 1: delivering it in like a depressive but you know soft,

2145
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: like he's trying to give you the soft killing, like

2146
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: you know kill. I'm going to break up with people,

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01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, You'll be fine. The Chris Robinson

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Speaker 1: Brotherhood here, of course Chris Robinson, lead singer of The

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01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: Black Crows. This was his longtime spin off band. They

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Speaker 1: do it in a in an upbeat, Jammy Grateful Dead

2151
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 1: inspired type of way. And the reason why I say

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01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: they're no longer a band they disbanded in twenty nineteen

2153
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: is they disbanded because unfortunately the guitarist Neil Cassel, committed

2154
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: suicide and that you know that broke the band in

2155
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. He was the backbone and heart

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01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: and soul, and his work in this video is incredible.

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01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,600
Speaker 1: And you know, Neil's just fifty when he took his

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01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 1: own life, and he's always been one of those underrated

2159
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: modern guitarists, but those who know know, you know. And

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01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: he plays a guitar that looked like it could be

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01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: right out of Jerry Garcia's hands. And he's always been

2162
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: influenced by the Dead and you know he was. I

2163
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: came to know him when he was with Ryan Adams

2164
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals, and he played a big role back

2165
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: then too, and Ryan Adams direction of kind of going

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01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: a little bit in the Dead area, if you remember

2167
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: the double album Cold Roses from Ryan had had a

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01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 1: Warfrat cover from grayful Deed, and he was kind of

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01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,719
Speaker 1: going in that direction. But his work on Easy Tiger

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01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: by Ryan Adams, a great studio album and a couple

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01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 1: other ones piqued my interest. But when he joined up

2172
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 1: with the Chris Robinson brotherhood, I mean, he's doing Jerry

2173
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 1: Garcia stuff, you know, without shame, you know, but also

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01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 1: at an extremely high level. They take this down trodden

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01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: ballad and jam it out for eight minutes and essentially

2176
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 1: do a repetition of verse and solo and the solos.

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01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: It starts off with a guitar solo by Castle that's

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01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: just amazing but kind of upbeat and soft. Then they

2179
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: go into an organ solo by Adam McDougal, which is incredible,

2180
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 1: and then they come back to a second guitar solo

2181
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,440
Speaker 1: at the end from Castle. So check it out. Uplifting

2182
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: jam type of feel. The band cohesive as shit, so

2183
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: did like that band was. It wasn't all over their

2184
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: catalog more of about Crowts fan, but you know, the

2185
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: Chris Robinson Brotherhood began to get a reputation as like

2186
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,759
Speaker 1: a good jam band, and they can go a different directions,

2187
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 1: but this shows you everything that they were in that song.

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01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 1: It's all over now. But Baby Blue maybe maybe the

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01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: best cover you've ever heard, seriously, so good. Here's an

2190
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 1: album recommendation here. I could give you a million from

2191
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: the seventies, but let's go somewhat recent history because I

2192
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: forgot about it and rediscovered it the other day and

2193
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: kind of had another religious experience. Twenty eleven. Have you

2194
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: ever heard of the indie folk band Blind Pilot. I

2195
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you have. They only have three studio albums.

2196
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: The last one was twenty sixteen. If you go to

2197
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: their website anytime in the last ten years, it pretty

2198
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: much will always say they're not touring, But then they

2199
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: do tour, and they tore in very small venues in

2200
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 1: weird cities, and they don't tend to be consistent about it.

2201
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: I missed a chance about five years ago to see

2202
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: him at a like a hole in the wall and Hamden, Connecticut,

2203
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: and it sits with me. I regret it, you know,

2204
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 1: as much as I regret not seeing The Who on

2205
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,639
Speaker 1: the Quadrafinia Reunion tour in ninety seven. I regret it. Okay.

2206
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: They have an album in twenty eleven, Blind Pilot called

2207
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: We Are the Tide. It's the second of their three.

2208
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: They're from Oregon. This like this isn't just an album

2209
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: wreck where you'll be like, oh that thanks BCI, Like

2210
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 1: that was really good. That was cool, you know, I

2211
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: like that, Like this is great, Like seriously, they use

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01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 1: a lot of cool accompanying instruments like the ukulele, the harmonium,

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01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: the pump organ, the dulcimer, the vibraphone, and it's got

2214
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 1: a the spirit of like a loose jazz feel without

2215
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: being too jazzy. But really it's just indie rock meets

2216
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:43,600
Speaker 1: folk with incredible harmonies and those weird additional instruments that

2217
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: I mentioned sort of just paint the sonic landscape. And

2218
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: it's got that chilled out Pacific Northwest modern you know

2219
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: indie folks sound think the head in the heart like,

2220
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: it's got that vibe to it, but it's different. It's

2221
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: got these intoxicating hooks. Some clever lyrics from this guy,

2222
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 1: Israel Nebeker is the vocalist, just heart wrenching clever lyrics

2223
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: on on acoustic guitar. There and there are these these look,

2224
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 1: there's there's things about music that make us keep coming back, right,

2225
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: And I started off as a lyric guy, the poetry

2226
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 1: side of it, right, and really have evolved into almost

2227
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 1: the other direction completely. And you know, I always say

2228
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 1: that like the guitar tone that like the Grateful Dead

2229
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,759
Speaker 1: or Dicky Bets with the Olmens can use while jamming

2230
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 1: out is like a cat whistle the stoners and hippies.

2231
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a joke, but there's just something

2232
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: about that sound. You know when you hear Jerry Jammin

2233
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: and it just hits it. You're like, oh wow, you

2234
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: know it does something to you. It's a power of music.

2235
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing that I don't think people really

2236
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:44,719
Speaker 1: understand the full power of. But one of my favorite

2237
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 1: things in those categories is when you just hear a

2238
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: chorus kick in and this hook and it's and it's this.

2239
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 1: It's the spirit of what makes this album We Are

2240
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the Tides so good is that it's it's this is

2241
01:45:55,120 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: music that lyrically it's downtrodden, but the chorus is or

2242
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: put together in such a hopeful, almost optimistic way that

2243
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: the marriage of those two at the same time, I

2244
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 1: don't know, it just kind of it just kind of

2245
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 1: grabs you and freezes you for a second and chills you.

2246
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: And this one has if you're into that sort of yeah,

2247
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to say emo like, but that immersive

2248
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: emotional experience that you know, it's like it's like pillow

2249
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: talk music but dressed up and it's it's it's incredible.

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01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,600
Speaker 1: The Colored Night is my favorite track on that, So

2251
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 1: check that out from Blind Pilot if you care at all.

2252
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:33,639
Speaker 1: And how about a quick fight recommendation here BC almost

2253
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: going two hours in the end, one of my favorite

2254
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 1: boxing matches. I don't think I got the respect it

2255
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: deserved in the twenty thirteen Fight of the Year discussion.

2256
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, by the way, one of the best modern

2257
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: boxing years, like in an epically great year that produced

2258
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 1: so many great fights and Golden Boy brought all the

2259
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: fighters to Showtime with Al Hayman, and you know, HBO

2260
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 1: still stood firm and it was like a network and

2261
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 1: network war that year. But this fight took place in

2262
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: England the O two Arena. It was a rematch super

2263
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: middleweight title unification Carl Frotch versus Michel Kesler May twenty fifth,

2264
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, the last fight of Kessler's great, great Hall

2265
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,719
Speaker 1: of Fame career. And you consider that Michel Kessler only

2266
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 1: lost to Carl Fratch in this rematch, to Andre Ward

2267
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: in the Super six tournament and to Joe Kalzagi and

2268
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: a unification fight in two thousand and seven between two

2269
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:29,520
Speaker 1: unbeaten Hall of famers in one of the most electric

2270
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 1: crowds in the UK that you've ever heard, and really

2271
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 1: a great fight this rematch. So they fought once in

2272
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,879
Speaker 1: twenty ten. It was part of the Showtime Super six Tournament,

2273
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 1: and you know, Kessler got an unanimous decision, and I

2274
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: thought he had done it enough. Frotch kind of started late,

2275
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 1: and I'd hope to see them do it again. And

2276
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 1: I still, by the way, lament that they didn't get

2277
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 1: a trilogy out of this, because, like I said, Kesler

2278
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 1: retired right after Carl Frotch would take this win, do

2279
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: the two fights with George Groves in Wembley Stadium, be

2280
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 1: a giant, you know, aightyk a big deal, and then

2281
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: also retire. They're not in their pace prime anymore, but

2282
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: they still can dig in and find it. This is

2283
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: the beautiful the beautiful cross because like Fight of the Year,

2284
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,719
Speaker 1: we think brawl, right, but the best, the real best

2285
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: fights of the year are when you have action mixed

2286
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: with stakes, emotion, high technical skill and strategy, ebbs and flows,

2287
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: all of that. This isn't a dragout war, but this

2288
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 1: is a highly skilled action fight. Kessler hit a shot

2289
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 1: in round eight or right hand that would have knocked

2290
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 1: anyone out. But Frat's chin is just legendary. But the

2291
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 1: stats are crazy here fraud ends up winning a unanimous decision.

2292
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 1: The one to eighteen to one to ten card made

2293
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: no sense. But sixteen twelve, fifteen, thirteen, eight rounds to four,

2294
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 1: seven to five. It was on point. The theory in

2295
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: the end is that Kessler just didn't do enough, that

2296
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 1: he was being too much like that efficient counterpuncher who

2297
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 1: can land big shots but wasn't following it up with frauds,

2298
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 1: with outland him two sixty one to one ninety four

2299
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: according to Comfybox. Okay, but the attempts fraudst through one

2300
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 1: tho thirty four punches, most of them behind that big

2301
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: jab and Keshlo only through four ninety seventy through less

2302
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 1: than half. But Kesler landed on percentages of punches that

2303
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: you will never see somebody connect this amount and lose.

2304
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: He hit fifty five percent of his power shots and

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Speaker 1: thirty nine percent of his punches overall, which basically means

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01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,680
Speaker 1: he didn't jab and he just was sniper from the outside.

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01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,640
Speaker 1: He didn't do enough but to get the nod, but

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01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: his willingness to play sniper, to land big shots and

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01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 1: absorb them. Those are just two men, and I love it.

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01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 1: And it's part of that stretch that ended Carl Fratch's career,

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01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,640
Speaker 1: that made him a legend, that made him in the

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Speaker 1: conversation for greatest super middleweights of all time. Here's the

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01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 1: last twelve fights of Carl Fratch's career. The Cobra decision

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01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:50,759
Speaker 1: went over Pascal on a title fight. Knocks out Jermaine

2315
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 1: Taylor in the last round to win a title in

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01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: the Super six tournament. Takes a split decision over On

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01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 1: beating Andre Durell. Loses to Kessler in their first fight.

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01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: Takes a decision from Our Abraham in the tournament. Takes

2319
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: a majority decision from Glenn Johnson in a tough fight.

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01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 1: Loses the Super sixth final to Andre Ward, but it's

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01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: one fifteen, one to thirteen on all three cards, and

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01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 1: then he stops Lucian Butte in one of the most

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01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 1: the craziest live crowd experiences that I know some people

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01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: that have been there. You know, there's a guy who

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01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 1: lives in my town. He's a soccer analyst on on ESPN,

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01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Craig Burley. If you guys are old school soccer EPL

2327
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 1: guys or whatever, you know this guy. I think it's

2328
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 1: from Scotland. Love that guy just ran into him at

2329
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: the town dump the other day. We used to go

2330
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: the same barber. Burley was in the crowd that night

2331
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 1: and told me you used to tell me stories about it

2332
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: in the makeup room at ESPN. Butte versus Frotz justin

2333
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 1: an electric atmosphere. And then frock Ko's Yusaf Mac the

2334
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 1: film star. But that's probably the little sinkhole in this

2335
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 1: great journey. And then he beats Kesler and then he

2336
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:53,759
Speaker 1: beats Gross twice. I mean, it's weird. It's like Frog

2337
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 1: doesn't always get that like crossover American love that he

2338
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 1: probably should have. And maybe it's because he didn't come

2339
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: to the state a top. I mean, no, he did.

2340
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, he thought Johnson, Ward Taylor all in the US,

2341
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: but you know, never had that like breakthrough Las Vegas

2342
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: pay per view fight against American star. But is there

2343
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: is there a better man than that guy? He married

2344
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: up too? You know, shout out to the cobra there

2345
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: just the same. I'll shout out to you if this

2346
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 1: is your flavor. The BC live chat it was back today.

2347
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 1: When will it be back? Oh, I don't know. Next week,

2348
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. We'll see, We'll see.

2349
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 1: It's like a case by case basis. If you want it,

2350
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: tell me you want it. But you know, not everybody

2351
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 1: loves to hear about nineties NBA, although we didn't hit

2352
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: that today, or or self help scenarios, or which seventies

2353
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 1: jazz album they should put on, although the answer is

2354
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: clearly thrust by Herbie Hancock. I was listening to that

2355
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 1: last night. Damn right, damn all right. B C out

2356
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: of here live chat or live show, February eighth, King's

2357
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Speaker 1: Place in London and the king Court section. There's a

2358
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Q the Q code there Q sqsr or whatever you

2359
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 1: want to call it, in the corner by tickets. Now

2360
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 1: we only have five hundred of them and the majority

2361
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: of them are sold out. And this is not a

2362
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: trap here like it's gonna be a packed house. It's

2363
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna be electric. Appy's gonna be there, the pacts will

2364
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 1: be there. It'll be wild danger mouse, danger mouse. Are

2365
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 1: you gonna forgive me enough to come out for the show,

2366
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: That's the real question. Are you even watching this? Even

2367
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: if it was just me and one other listener? I

2368
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it, guys. Brian Campbell's signing off there. You can

2369
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: follow us, like us, subscribe to us. Every Monday, Wednesday

2370
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: and Friday, eleven am Eastern Time is morning Combat your

2371
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Speaker 1: award winning Combat Sports showcase. But for everyone on the show,

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Speaker 1: Mikey Morms on the ones and twos, We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: headlining a podcast festival in the UK and February eighth,

2374
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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be doing a I'll be headlining Carolines

2375
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Speaker 1: and then the Attic and then the then not a

2376
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,640
Speaker 1: comedian here, just play one on TV. I will be

2377
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Speaker 1: on the air this Friday. This Friday, Showbox the New Generation,

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Speaker 1: the first broadcast of twenty twenty three. Kis, Barry Tompkins,

2379
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Speaker 1: Steve Farhood, myself on the call, six unbeaten fighters in

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Speaker 1: and Raoul and the boys. All right, it's good time,

2384
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: great old these right there. Take care of yourself. All right, guys,

2385
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean we're all in this together, right, Who are you?

2386
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: Who am I? Right? We're all in this together. You

2387
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 1: can do this. We got this, all right. Combat sports

2388
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: is fun, but good change is coming, serious change. It's

2389
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 1: a great time to be alive. BC. Sign it out.

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Speaker 1: Oh the goat, the goat right, the goat