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Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available training competition. Here are

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Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble, and Nick Shook, and

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Speaker 1: we welcome you into Maria on a Monday. It's an

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Speaker 1: exciting week, very exciting. See the look he's excited. See

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Speaker 1: that look took his hat off to he's so excited.

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Speaker 1: Week four of the preseason and a game on Thursday

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Speaker 1: night in the Battle of the Barge as the Browns

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Speaker 1: take on the Lions. But first we need to recap

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Speaker 1: what happened today at practice and also get some thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the Friday night quote dress rehearsal game. I'm Jason Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: He's Nick Shook, He's Andrew Gribble, and this is the

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Speaker 1: best podcast available. Gribbs, A pleasant Monday afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: Takeaways first from Friday night's game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: Maybe some over reaction on fan parts, maybe some reason

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Speaker 1: for worry in certain aspects. Yeah, I mean, I'll start

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Speaker 1: with the good, which was the defense as a whole

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Speaker 1: and specifically the defensive line, which just rates havoc the

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Speaker 1: entire time they were in there. And that's what you

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Speaker 1: wanted to see. I mean it was only we only

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Speaker 1: one series. But they were just absolutely overmatching Tampa Bay's

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Speaker 1: offensive line, which not in the top half of the

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Speaker 1: league when it comes to offensive lines, maybe in the

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Speaker 1: bottom five or ten. But you put a top end

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Speaker 1: defensive line against that offensive line, and they dominated the

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Speaker 1: way that they should. And uh, it really didn't allow

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers to do much of anything on offense. They

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Speaker 1: had one drive that kind of fizzled out at the end,

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Speaker 1: and they missed a field goal. Uh. Offensively though nothing

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Speaker 1: really good to report. It wasn't it wasn't a good

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Speaker 1: night and it it started. It was a really a

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Speaker 1: mix of everything. I think you look at Baker Mayfield's

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Speaker 1: final numbers ten and twenty six, not good. Uh missed

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Speaker 1: on some throws, wide receivers dropped a lot of those throws,

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Speaker 1: weren't in the right place where they should have been

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Speaker 1: for those throws, and the offensive line there was there's

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Speaker 1: too many times where Baker was running around. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't really a good night at all for

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Speaker 1: thing you have to take away from it. First off

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Speaker 1: its preseason. Secondly, it was not a normal game plan.

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Speaker 1: They clearly went out and tried to throw the ball

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Speaker 1: it just it didn't seem like anyone played particularly well

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Speaker 1: Bay's defense. I think Todd Bowles has a pretty good

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Speaker 1: scheme going there. They disguised a lot of the looks.

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Speaker 1: I think they probably brought more and showed more than

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Speaker 1: the Browns might have been prepared for considering it as

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Speaker 1: a preseason game. But there were a lot of times

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Speaker 1: to where J. C. Trader said it today as well,

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Speaker 1: where it wasn't scheme, it wasn't what the Buccaneers are

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Speaker 1: showing them. They just didn't do what they needed to

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Speaker 1: do fundamentally. They got away from their fundamentals. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as a line, you're a group of five. If one guy,

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Speaker 1: And and sometimes it's less obvious to see on tape

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Speaker 1: average fan that it would be to the player. So um,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit difficult to diagnose I think at times,

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Speaker 1: but That's what they said was, you know, we just

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Speaker 1: messed up our fundamentals and it made us all look bad,

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Speaker 1: You see that kind of have a trickle down effect

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Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield's timing and accuracy, which was a little

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Speaker 1: and and and catch passes. Because Baker's got more time

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Speaker 1: That game had the recipe to be a blowout in

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Speaker 1: the first half, and your defense plays that well and

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Speaker 1: entire first half. You should have been up by three scores,

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Speaker 1: what it was. In terms of a Baker game. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that we've seen Baker play like that Chargers game.

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Speaker 1: Maybe last year, second half of the Steelers game. That's

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Speaker 1: So they kept going for some some clearly some plays

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Speaker 1: And let's go back to those three games that you

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Speaker 1: You can set the shorter passes, the screens, kind of

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