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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Happy fourth of July, Happy Independence Day. I'm

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Speaker 2: Drew Doherty. That's John Harris and you are you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for watching, Thank you for listening. We appreciate you

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Speaker 2: being here. It's just the three of us, John, Me

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Speaker 2: and you. So John with Independence Day here, it made

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Speaker 2: me think back to twenty eleven, maybe twenty twelve. Gary

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Speaker 2: Kubiak went to the Middle East as part of the

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Speaker 2: USO NFL tour and he got to ride in a

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Speaker 2: helicopter and see some stuff, and there are some really

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Speaker 2: cool pictures. But it reminded me, Hey, let's take a

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Speaker 2: moment and let's think back in Texans terms about patriotic stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I thought about that. I thought about the football game.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember who the Texans played, but it was

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Speaker 2: around twenty ten, twenty eleven ish, when George H. W.

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Speaker 2: Bush and George W. Bush both had been out of office.

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Speaker 2: They were not presidents anymore, but they were both of

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Speaker 2: the same game. I don't know how many times that's

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Speaker 2: happened in an NFL game. Two presidents, I'm sure as

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Speaker 2: but gosh, that was that was pretty wild. It was

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Speaker 2: just a regular season game, and the two Bush guys

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Speaker 2: were the former presidents were at the game, and it was, Hey,

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Speaker 2: look there's George W. Bush. There's George H. W.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's something that you know, the Texans

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Speaker 2: are a patriotic organization. They've always loved Salute to Service Day.

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Speaker 2: They were doing it before everyone else did. They weren't

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Speaker 2: doing the profiting off of it like many people did.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, Plus we've had Johnson's Andre Johnson.

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Speaker 2: You know, there have been some presidents with the last

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Speaker 2: name Johnson, Andrew Johnson, Lynnon B. Johnson, who else? Who

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Speaker 2: else president was been?

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Speaker 3: No, there have been no presidents named Stroud that we

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Speaker 3: know of.

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Speaker 2: Right, So Adams Adams or two? Right? Uh, Jeff Adams.

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Speaker 4: We had Jeff Adams offensive tackle back in fourteen fifteen,

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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Yeah, Jeff Adams who actually went

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Speaker 4: to Columbia.

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Speaker 3: So have we had him? Monroe?

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Speaker 2: What my uncle Google, I can ask Kim know.

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Speaker 3: That we've had I don't know that we've had him Monroe.

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Speaker 2: I wrote an article about this a while.

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Speaker 4: At Washington's we had Nate Washington. I remember that in fifteen.

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Speaker 3: We've had Washington's, Cleveland's. I don't know that we've had

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Speaker 3: There's Bank Cleveland. But he doesn't play for us. No,

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Speaker 3: Hoover's a taffs I don't think so. No.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, well have we had have.

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Speaker 3: We had a Bush?

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Speaker 4: We almost had Reggie bush Man.

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like we have anyways.

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Speaker 3: We had Frank Bush as a coach.

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Speaker 2: That'll work, Yeah, that'll work. Yeah, So what are you

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Speaker 2: gonna do for the fourth man?

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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

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Speaker 4: Actually it's after the fourth but I'm going to Big

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Speaker 4: twelve Media Days in Vegas, right. So Vegas is always

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Speaker 4: kind of an interesting place for things like that because

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Speaker 4: it's Vegas, so you know the lights and the popping circumstance,

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Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But then you realize, wait a second, I gotta go work.

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of a working kind of a working

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Speaker 4: pseudo vacation before the train camp the following weeks. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: next Monday, I'll be flying to Vegas. I'll be there

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Speaker 4: for Big Twelve media days. They've moved it to Vegas.

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Speaker 4: The Big twelve is going through its changes, lost Texas

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Speaker 4: and Oklahoma. But again the four corner schools of Utah, Colorado, Arizona,

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Speaker 4: Arizona State, and that actually is going to make the

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Speaker 4: Big twelve. Those that's gonna make the Big twelve that

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Speaker 4: much more attractive because Utah has picked to win a

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Speaker 4: Big twelve. Colorado has got two of the most polarizing

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Speaker 4: players in the country, not to mention dian As, the coach.

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Speaker 3: Arizona might be as talented.

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Speaker 4: It's got my number one wide receiver in the twenty

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Speaker 3: And his quarterback from Servided High School, noelh.

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Speaker 4: Fafida, who is great and I'm glad he finally got

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Speaker 4: it's Aarazona State. So Arizona State brings a certain I

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Speaker 4: it's really cool to see that. So they decided we'll

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Speaker 4: go even further west and go to Vegas for media Days,

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Speaker 4: so that's where we're all head. Last year was up

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Speaker 4: taking over his commissioner a Big Twelve. He thinks, like

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Speaker 4: college commissioners, college ads need to start thinking. He's thinking

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Speaker 4: business first, and I think that's a change in college

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Speaker 4: sports from that perspective. There's always been money, TV money

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Speaker 4: in particular, but the way that he thinks, he thinks

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Speaker 4: other commissioners have thought that way. Commissioners have been around

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Speaker 4: been business first, and I think that's made the Big

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Speaker 4: for a day after Dallas for SEC media Days, and

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Speaker 4: they break it up into four days, but I'll be

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Speaker 4: up there for a day. Now, you gotta get back

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Speaker 4: because camp is that Thursday, so I gotta get back.

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Speaker 4: I'll be doing a radio show with Sean Penry Gass

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Speaker 4: on the sixteenth, So we'll get back together. It should

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Speaker 4: be kind of fun, and then we have the seventeenth

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Speaker 4: to recover and then the eighteenth it's go time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is go time, all right.

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Speaker 2: So ninety men are on a roster until end of

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Speaker 2: August early September before you cut them. Texans signed thirty

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Speaker 2: one free agents this offseason. Some of them were their own,

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Speaker 2: some of them came from other teams. Of those thirty

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Speaker 2: one plus or mind or over under, how many do

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Speaker 2: you think we're from another team? And I'll set the

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Speaker 2: over under a twenty. I think that's over under.

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Speaker 3: Twenty was going to be the number, so I'll go

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Speaker 3: I'll go under eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Texans signed eighteen free agents from another team. And looking

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Speaker 2: at it like if you just look at it chronologically,

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Speaker 2: they signed, you know, four guys Dalton Schultz, Kymie Freber,

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Speaker 2: days of free agency March eighth March twelfth, those four

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Speaker 2: That's when you had daneil Hunter. That's when Joe Mixon

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Speaker 2: interesting to look at it that way. And then Stefan

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Speaker 2: Diggs came on April fourth, that was announced on April fourth.

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Speaker 2: Ben Scronick from the Rams is the last one. May fourteenth,

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Speaker 2: that's the last player that the Texans have signed free

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Speaker 2: agent wise. But it's just interesting to look at it

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Speaker 2: because you can go back all the way to two

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I know this real obvious.

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Speaker 2: Steve McKinney on March sixth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I know how he was the first.

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Speaker 2: Kylie Wong was the next day on the seventh. So

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Speaker 2: it's just really interesting. And I'm saying this because the

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Speaker 2: Texans Media relations department, held by Omar Mazoo, has the

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Speaker 2: Texans free agency history in their new twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: Media Guide. It's always fun to look through, but I always.

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Speaker 4: Love how the team is built and looking at how

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Speaker 4: you know, how we got here. And there are always

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Speaker 4: a couple of things that stand out, like who's been

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Speaker 4: with the Texans, you know the longest who's the longest

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Speaker 4: tenured Texans? Well, we know it's John Weeks for a

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Speaker 4: long time, but and we kind of put week See

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Speaker 4: Famer in that regard. So who and then Kyie fairbanh

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Speaker 2: It's probably Andre Johnson because that's whose record.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm talking about on the team now, I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about the team. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be Titus Howard maybe, or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Titus Howard. How about that.

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Speaker 4: Titus still feels like a young guy, like I still

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Speaker 4: think of oh, young Titus Howard. But he's the longest

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Speaker 4: tenured Texan, followed by Larmie tunsell Is a few months later,

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Speaker 4: So those two are the longest tenured Texans, which and

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Speaker 2: He left and he came back. But Lonnie Johnson. He

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Speaker 2: was in that mix too.

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Speaker 3: That's right. He was twenty nineteen, that's right, and then

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Speaker 2: But he's got a history with the team for.

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Speaker 3: Sure, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that strikes me

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Speaker 4: COVID the Texans side, Eric Murray.

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Speaker 3: Eric Murray is one of the.

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Speaker 4: Longest tenured Texans to go with Larmie tons Still and

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Speaker 4: Titus Howard, which is I mean, it's incredible think about

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Speaker 4: and then in signed Eric Murray as a free agent.

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Speaker 4: So I always look at the longest tenured players with

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Speaker 4: they've been through it now they have been through it

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Speaker 4: obviously learning me a Pro Bowl starter, Titus more than

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Speaker 4: likely starting at right tackle, and Eric Murray has found

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Speaker 4: has been healthy, and I think we really missed him

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Speaker 4: last year. I think I think we really missed Eric Murray.

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Speaker 4: We had to go out and get Adrian Amos and

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Speaker 4: but I think Eric Murray would have given them that

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Speaker 4: much more so. I always look at that part of

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Speaker 4: it's an interesting mix of guys. Because they brought over

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Speaker 4: Eric Murray stayed. So you know, you signed guys for

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Speaker 4: a year and then they they end up staying with you,

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Speaker 4: which I think is fantastic. But this is it's such

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Speaker 4: a mix of these grizzled Vets with these young dudes

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Speaker 4: that hopefully can merge it together and become the team

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Speaker 4: everybody really wants.

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Speaker 2: Us to be another thing here. Andre Johnson wore the

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Speaker 2: number eighty. You know, he's not the only person in

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Speaker 4: Ooh, I know this this is the really Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: but I'm trying to remember who wore it.

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Speaker 2: Before him, I'm guessing he was the first the franchise's

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Speaker 2: Same for ninety nine. Now ninety nine JJ Watt's number

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Speaker 2: Right, yuh no, because a Goonlia and Jamison would have

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Speaker 4: Think there's a chance that the Texans might have to

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna be a special circumstance, like a guy

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Speaker 4: Well, you have more guys in college that might wear

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Speaker 3: The road where they have a you know, they.

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Speaker 3: You're just not seeing.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I got something for you. This is This

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Speaker 2: is I predict this will kind of blow your mind. Okay, Basically,

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Speaker 2: about it. Denzel Perriman wore it last year. Denzel Perryman

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Speaker 3: What's right. Yeah, yeah, but then.

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Speaker 2: You got to go all the way back to twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 4: Now, receivers back in the day couldn't wear a single digit.

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Speaker 3: You know number now was the quarterback number du jure

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Speaker 2: Nobody wore zero until last year when Shaq Griffin got here,

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Speaker 3: Can you name? Can you name who number six is

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Speaker 2: I cannot? Who is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. See

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, so Tommy Soundsen is the is the

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Speaker 4: number six. That's interesting that they for twelve years did

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Speaker 4: I'd wear number six. Sal Bando A's Brewers, I wear

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Speaker 2: There are probably five other people watching or listening, and

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Speaker 3: We know our guy Dave.

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Speaker 2: Howard is he probably knows who Salbando is. But I

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Speaker 2: sal Bando it is.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't. I probably promise he doesn't know. Sal Bando is.

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Speaker 4: Sal Bando is third basement the Brewers when I was

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Speaker 3: So yeah, seal Bando.

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Speaker 4: For some reason, number six, that's the that's the guy

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Speaker 2: That's how young. But people forget that's how young the

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Steelers that probably had fifty eight people

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Speaker 3: Hey, we can drink though we're we're we're legal to drink.

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Speaker 3: We can do that as a franchise now. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we went a championship. We can have the

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Speaker 2: Hoped and hopefully that can happen this year. All right, man,

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Speaker 2: Well this was kind of a weird in the lab

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Speaker 2: title it, something along those lines. See what people like,

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Speaker 2: Happy forth to July. I hope you have a great

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Speaker 2: with you again. We're gonna do it in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break next week because the whole

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait,