WEBVTT - Episode 78: Candyman 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.720 Hey, how's it going. Welcome to Nerdifice Into with Danny 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.640 and Iffy. I'm iff you, waddy Way. Danny is at 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.200 New York City Comic Con, so it's just me and 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.320 my special guest, and I'm super excited. Our guest has 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.479 a mission and I'm happy to be a part of 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.920 that mission. We've interacted so much online. He's laid witness 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:33.640 to uh shots fired between me and Zig respectively for 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.240 the longest. We're talking about Jeff Trammell. How you doing. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.640 Oh man, I'm good. Thank you so much for having me. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.080 Oh man, No, thank you. I mean, you know, before 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:43.880 we even get into anything, I just want to talk about, 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.879 you know, everything that you've done. So you're the head 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.360 writer of Craig of the Creek, you know, and you've 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.760 came up through was it Nick's uh writing writing program, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.040 so you you know your success story around all that. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.680 And have you always wanted to do animation? H No? 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.120 And when I was a kid, I want to be 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.720 a pro wrestler. Uh. So I went after that for 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.840 a while and then I was like, oh, yeah, this 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.119 hurts a lot. I don't like feeling like an old 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.920 man with no back when uh when I wake up 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:20.000 at the age of eighteen. So I eventually moved into 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.440 like I went to a trade school in Michigan, UH, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.000 where I studied like video production, and one day I 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.280 caught an episode at thirty Rock. I was like, okay, wait, 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.000 you can get paid right. No one told me this, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.039 And you can do comedy and you don't have to 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.560 like write books. So that was kind of when I 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.200 like realigned my focus. And that was I was twenty 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.679 at the time, and uh, I took up writing, taught myself. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:50.200 I didn't go to college, and then when uh I 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.320 was twenty five, applied for the Nick writing program, got in, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:58.440 moved out here, uh and been out working in animation 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:03.080 for the last four years. Wow, that's so dope. So 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.280 what was it was? What was the first show you 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.240 worked on? The first show I ever worked on was 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.720 the show called Harvey Beaks at Nickelodeon. I was produced 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.920 or created by C. H. Greenblatt, who also created the 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:18.360 show Chowder what you might know. So, uh, that was 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.520 a great like start for me because the room was 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.640 like super welcoming and everyone taught me a lot, like 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.160 the perfect room for me to start in, and within 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.240 like two months in that room. They gave me a 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:32.480 freelance episode, which hardly ever happens. And uh, that was 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.040 the first show I worked on. Then I moved around too, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.160 Nickelodeon's upcoming show Glitch Texts uh, and a bunch of 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.680 other shows that I can't name yet, but mainly Craig 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.800 of the Creek, where I started as the staff writer 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.760 for season one and got promoted the hat writer for 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.160 seasons two and three. Wow, well, big congrats is already 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.440 that with that dope resume. Uh So, what's something you're 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.359 you're you're seeking out about this week? So this might 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.760 be old for you, but I'm looking for people to 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.360 talk about it with. I just started reading and watching 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.120 my hero Academia. Oh yeah, now, so yeah, you know, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.880 I'm not I'm I'm still season one so so so no, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.440 we're we're ready. I'm gonna start chopping it up with 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.200 you on that. But you've been digging it, oh man. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:25.280 I started reading it four days ago. Uh, and I'm 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.960 on chapter one and two. So yeah, I'm I'm getting 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:35.360 I'm digging it pretty much. You're you're deep in over me. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.000 I just did twitch Con. I was down in San 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.120 Diego for twitch Con and Twitch Con is one of 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.960 the most exciting times a year for me. Now this 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.680 was my third one, and now I'm like, yeah, this 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.440 is this is my jam because it's crazy to see you, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.520 like all the faces behind the screen name and meeting 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.160 everyone and just the energy around it. Like it's crazy. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.200 You're walking around and you're seeing people and you think 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:01.800 you're like, oh, I know that person. You know, I 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.800 just watched their face while they played video games. So 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.040 I'm it's gonna be in San Diego next year and 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.119 I'm already looking forward to it. And I had fun 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.080 idea the season finale of my sneaker show on Twitch 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.839 fresh Stock and that went well. Puma laced me up 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.120 in these they're doing a collaboration with the Cloud nineties 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.000 Sports team, and they gave me like the shirt and 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.839 the sweatsuit that they're coming out for it and it's 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.040 not dropped until the tenth So you know, there's there's 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.679 nothing a sneaker had likes more than wearing some stuff 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.000 that people can't even get. Yeah, so I gotta get 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.599 on Twitch, that's what you're telling. Look, look, we'll talk 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.760 sneaks on Twitch. You know, we gotta get ready for 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.599 this next season. But yeah, no, so that was dope 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.000 for me and it was a good time. And now 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.960 it's like it's officially Spoketober. You know this episode, you know, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.800 since I knew you were coming, I wanted it to 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.480 be you know, not only something spooky, but something black 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.719 and spooky. This is a property that you know, had 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.320 real prominence in the black community. I think the only 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.680 way I could have made this episode blacker is if 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.320 we did Tales from the Hood, which I kind of 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.200 am regretting not choosing that one. I will come back, yea. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.400 But yeah, this is we're talking about candy Man, which 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.320 you know, before we even get into nitty gritty, you 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.840 were saying you haven't seen it in almost like twenty years. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.240 It's been a long time. Same here. It's been a 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:28.320 while since I like even remembered candy Man. We lightly 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.119 touched on candy Man last year when we did Horrid Noir, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.560 uh and we and we talked about that, but like 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.320 now we're gonna truly go in because it had like 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.320 an impact because it's so funny because we talked about like, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.760 you know, needing representation and diversity now, but nineties had 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.440 a like big, like splash of diversity. You know, you 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:53.279 had family matters the Waynes Bros. You know, meteor Man, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.279 you had blank Man, fresh Print, fresh Prints don't be 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.560 a medicine, South Central We drink can choose basically the 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.000 way In were pushing like diversity and they didn't have 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.680 to hire anyone because their family was so big. But 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.479 this was another one of those like splashes. And this 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.640 was a horror movie. I was centered around you know, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.800 black culture, blackness and uh and everything. And I remember 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.280 instead of like I know, there was the Bloody Mary. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.640 You can say the name three three times? Yeah, and 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.400 people said that for candy Man where I grew up, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.360 like if you say candy Man in the mirror, he 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.880 comes and he kills you. But it's five times. Yeah, 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.560 it's five times in the actual movie. But but but 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.039 people were like three times in the mirror. Yeah. My 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.480 fiance is still won't say it really still today. Well 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.240 I was telling her about it yesterday. I was like, yeah, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.560 so we're doing candy Man. She was like, you can 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.240 only say that name so many times. I was like, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:51.760 it's not gonna She's like, still, she's not wrong. Yeah, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.360 you know it could no one you know, knowing that 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.240 I know have said it five times, but here's the 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.880 nitty gritty from The Wicked. Did he uh? Candy Man 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.560 is a American supernatural slasher film written and directed by 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.880 Bernard Rose and starring Virginia Madsen, Tony Todd, Xander Berkeley 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.040 and Kassi Lemon's and Vanessa Williams. Based on the short 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.560 story The Forbidden by Clive Barker, the film follows a 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.239 graduate student in Chicago complete and a thesis on urban legend, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.240 which leads her to the legend of Candy Man, the 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.440 ghost of an artist and son of a slave who 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.600 was murdered in the late nineteenth century. Which, yeah, that 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:36.080 was that was. It's it's so funny because I until 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.960 revisiting it in my adult life, was I really up 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.960 to date on like the backstory to canymnep? Yeah, Yeah, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.560 it's real deep. I always just thought he was just 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:53.440 a scary man. Yeah. Then you find out why he's angry, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:58.440 and he's angry because he loves white women. Like, let's 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.280 keep it funky. That's that's the story. If a black 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.120 guy loves white women so much, he's gonna kill you 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:09.160 four not wrong. Yeah, but there's all these other like, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.680 um wild parts about it that I didn't know, like 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.280 the fact that it's from a story from Clive Barker's 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.720 that it has like serious horror roots, and then uh, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.760 you know, then it got uh amped up. We'll say 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.600 so the Forbidden, so just so we'll look at the 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.560 Forbidden and then like already off that fuel. Candy Man. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:37.000 The Forbidden is about the university student named Helen who's 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.600 doing a thesis on graffiti, and then she selects a rundown, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.679 a state to focus her study. She noticed disturbing graffiti 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.480 in an abandoned building that makes references to an urban 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.920 legend known as candy Man. Further inquiries led her to 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.000 believe this is connected with recent murders and mutilations in 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.080 the neighborhood. Although the locals are seemingly reluctant to discuss 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.720 the incidents, She eventually encounters the candy Man himself, getting 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.640 notoriety by becoming his latest victim. And that's what that's 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.000 what happened with a candy Man. Yeah, it seems pretty 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.720 close to what candy Man is, except like it seems 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.800 like it just sent in short story form that the 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.560 ending is horrible anything, I mean, the ending The Candyman 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.440 actually isn't great, like not, you know, like it's not 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.920 a happy ending. But this one is just like in 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.720 a horror fashion of being like yeah, yeah, it's It's 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.520 basically like, this is a cautionary tale. Never say candy 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.040 man or you will die. Yeah, never say candy man, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.440 even if you're doing the paper or a podcast. Yeah yeah, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.440 I know, we gotta get a candy bank. Oh no, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.960 we've definitely went over it. This is this is how 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:53.200 the key Impel version is gonna starts. Oh man, so um. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.320 The film came to Fruition after a chance meeting between 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.600 director Rose and Clive Barker, who had recently completed his 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.400 own HM adaptation of Night Breed, and Rose express interest 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.680 in Barker's story that forbidden, and Barker agreed to license 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.640 the right. Where Barker's story revolved around themes of the 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.920 British class system in contemporary Liverpool, Rose chose to refit 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.280 the story to Cabrini Green public housing development in Chicago 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.520 instead focus on the themes race and social class and 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.960 inner city United States. So it seems like the difference 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.320 because I didn't get to crack open the actual book 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.559 Volume five of the Black Barker Book is that Candyman 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.839 was white and then the original candy Man. He was like, hey, bro, 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.520 gonna caut you with my hook. Sorry to all my 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.240 British listeners, all of them except Drake Levi, who I 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.520 hope to disrespect any chance I get, But every other 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:53.120 British listener I truly apologize. Um, there's just so many 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.360 inside jokes of people I'm slandering. I figured as much. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.000 I was like, I'm not gonna pry. Yeah, Drake is 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.000 a member of my commune and he's uh black Londoner 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.680 who uh he hops, you know, he'll hop and play 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.280 with me, and it's like storms. He joins my discord 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.960 and just goes off like that's exactly like I wish 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.080 I was joking, because like I remember, it was him 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.880 and there's another guy in our community, Wolf Yahmi and 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.600 they're both black Londoners and they jumped in the discord 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.720 together and just started talking using slang words I've never 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.600 heard before, lots of in its thoughts of blood brov 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.720 Man deems. All of that. I was. It was fascinating. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.720 I was like, this is this is what we might 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:43.200 must sound to black like yeah, bet naming. You know 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.880 you're gonna run that back, like what, Like I said, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.400 this is gonna be a very black episode of Nerd Deficit. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.320 I'm hoping that there's that kind of dialogue in the 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:58.160 upcoming Possible Candymen. Yeah, like if it's updated like that 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.960 and like just a bunch of s and stuff. Yeah, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.000 So here I was that you were talking about the 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:09.800 social bit most Like, I know that that's gonna be 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.679 interesting because like it really like looking back on it 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.200 with adult eyes, they really were trying to say something, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.320 but you know, it had a comment on social and 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.400 race issues as well as a white director can do. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.560 You know, you can only you're only so limited, especially 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.360 like because really the foundation, I do respect how you 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.160 would like talking about like housing projects and all this stuff, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.439 but it really is a cat to happen, especially something 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.400 as nuanced as projects, because anyone, any person of color 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.520 who's like grown up in the hood or trap or 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.160 whatever you want to call it, there's like such a 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.000 interesting take on it because like there are aspects of 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.880 it that are bad, there are aspects of it that 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.959 are home, and lots of times when you're from the 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.680 outside looking at it, you can only see the portion, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.160 and that's how you kind of portray it. And that's 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.640 exactly how it was portrayed, because even watching that scene 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.520 again last en. I watched it again last night, and 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.239 the scene where they show up and they're like immediately 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.240 it's just like getting cat called and just a terrible place. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.200 And it's just like five dudes crowding around these women 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.480 and you're like Jesus Christ, what if why are you here? 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.040 But then also like you know, no, it's fine. They 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.320 think we're police and I'm like, well, no, you don't 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.600 look like police officers at all. What is happening here? 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.080 Like like I said, And that's what's so funny too. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.040 It is like just the the the aspect. Like I remember, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.679 so I grew up in Compton Um and then I 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.520 moved to Downey when I was in like I started 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:46.080 going to school in Downey in eighth grade, but I 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.520 didn't move to Downy to like tenth grade. But I 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.040 remember a lot of times, you know, from Downy, like 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.800 all the white people that I met would be like, oh, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.080 if I walked in Compton, I'd get shot. And I 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.480 was like, yeah, yeah, there are gang member was waiting 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:05.560 at the board. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, uh, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.719 you know, kudos to them, because I also did think 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.280 I could just walk in houses without knocking, because that's 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.960 what all the white people on TV did. So so 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.640 like I was like, we both were wrong, but you 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:21.480 were more wrong than I was. I was so sure. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.840 I was so ready to get a ladder like claristics. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.040 That would have been a horror movie real quick. You 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:34.120 imagine this thick Nigerian guy crawling into your room. Fantasy 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:40.640 for some nightmare for most. But uh but yeah, so 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.840 um so then they talk he licensed it, and they're like, 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.240 bet we're gonna make this. Um, We're gonna make this happen. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.120 Let's get into production the screenplay, so the change of 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.320 set necessitated a change to certain elements for the film, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.760 according to the journalists. According to journalists Steve Bagaria, one 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.680 source of inspiration may have been a pair of articles 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.480 he wrote for The Chicago Reader in seven and nineteen 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.560 ninety about the murder of Ruthie May McCoy, a resident 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.520 of Chicago's Abbot Homes housing project. Seven. McCoy had been 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.840 killed by an intruder who entered her apartment through an 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.000 opening behind the bathroom's medicine cabinet. This is gonna be 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:22.480 the first piece of information I'm anna rebuff, like like I'm, I'm, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.480 I'm I'm gonna have to side out of this regard. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.040 I was like, yeah, I wrote an article about someone 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.360 got murdered in a home invasion, Like yeah, that's a 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.840 lot that happened. That's a that's a textbook crime. My guy, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.840 you're the one. You're the one who inspired this whole move, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.720 Like I'm sure you know in Chicago they had a 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.080 few of those. I mean, I just love the fact that, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.080 like he was like, well, I wrote this article once 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:54.960 and again in so clearly they ripped me on. You're 0:15:55.000 --> 0:16:02.320 ripping yourself over. This is irrefutable, irrefutable evidence. And that's 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.080 what I love is that it's according to take him. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:11.200 There was nobody the the Rose didn't say this. Barker 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.880 did not say this. He was like, nah, they stole 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.880 it from me. See this is what apps we get 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.080 info for Wikipedia, and why I like to get info 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.160 for because I feel like any official documentation on this 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.240 movie was not going to mention this one report. He's like, man, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:32.560 I reported on crime in Chicago. You know, yeah, we 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:37.960 ain't got many of those were life that's like you 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.160 being like yo. So boys in the Hood ripped me 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:46.000 off because I grew up a comment. They ripped me 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.800 off based on a MySpace post I'd posted about living 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:57.479 in Compton in two thousand and five and two thousands alright, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.200 so and it's such a like anecdote that I'm glad 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:07.280 it was added. So then, uh, there was some controversy 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.040 that the film was depicting racism and racial stereotypes. This 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:16.160 film based on that scene you just described. I don't 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:21.440 see what the problem is. You know what, just according 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.159 to Rose, I had to go and have a whole 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.600 set of meetings with the Inn double a CP because 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.720 the producer were so worried. And what they said to 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.439 me was they'd read the script. What they said to 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.600 me when they read the script was why are we 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:44.120 even having this meeting? You know? This is just good fun? Um. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.000 This must be the National Advancement the National Association of 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:54.400 the Advancement of Caucasian People. Their argument was, why shouldn't 0:17:54.400 --> 0:18:04.240 a black actor be a ghost? Why should black actor 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.640 play Freddy Kruger arondible elector? If you're saying that they 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.959 can't be it's really perverse, this is a horror movie. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.760 According to Madison, I was and am now worried about 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.040 how people will respond. I don't think uh, I don't 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.960 think Spike Lee will like this film. To his defense, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:27.560 he's right, because SPI don't like anything like yeah, that's 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.960 that's a that's an easy did I make it no trash? 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.679 Oh my gosh, this is great because I want to 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.800 know how much of that is true. I just love 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.960 the quote why shouldn't a black actor be a ghost? 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.240 It's like, imagine how much better Woo be Goldberg? But 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.920 it man, it's that a Patrick. I don't know, why 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.760 wouldn't she a ghost? Oh? This is Oh, this is 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.760 already off to the best start, because I mean this 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.000 is this is the amount of gravity to approached this movie. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.159 But also it's like it's funny because it is like 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.080 a tin pole in the black community. It's important. It's 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.840 it's important to us because like we said, why shouldn't 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.880 black people be a ghost? Or a Freddie Rueger? Oh 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.439 my gosh, yeah this yeah, this this is great. This 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.320 is gonna be my most fun is just kind of 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.119 diving into sections of this because like I want to 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.359 know what script the in double a c P was reading, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.960 you know, because also, like if you're in a script 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.560 you read enters the Avid Kinny projects, it probably doesn't 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.359 read the same as when you shot the scene of 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.240 four black dudes with sagging if rob wasn't that extra 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:45.080 descriptive script because on paper, yeah, why why not do 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:50.080 candy Man? Okay? Um, Now we got onto the filming, which, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.440 although barker short story is set in his native Liverpool, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.040 Rose decided that the film would be much better done 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.320 in the US, like we uh, like we said earlier. Um, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.879 and he's scouted locations in Chicago and found Cabrini Green, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.600 which was an incredible arena for horror, for a horror 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.520 movie because it was a place of such palpable fear. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:17.200 What does that mean? Like thet he was a white 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.360 person walking around south side Chicago and was like, oh, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:27.119 this is scary. I am afraid right now. This is 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.760 this is the perfect setting because all I can imagine 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.879 is this like young white guy in a beret walking 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.919 around south side Chicago and doing the finger things. Directors, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.840 Oh my god, this is horrifying. Yeah, this is scary. Yeah, 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.439 this is it. This is where we make it, alright, 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.480 we're gonna be diving in some more with Candy Man. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:54.040 We're already off to this is fun and spooky, spooked over, 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.920 but we're gonna hear from some of these uh these 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:09.760 these sponsors, uh commercials. We'll be right back, Welcome back 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.639 to narrative. EM I'm if you wait, sitting across from me, 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:17.240 Jeff Trammel, and we are looking into the modern black 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.119 masterpiece candy Man. H this is this has been the 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.480 most fun and that's that's what I wanted to do. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.400 Is because I speaked over. We go over scary, scary things, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.680 and there are lots of fun scary things. But it's 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:35.280 crazy to look back on candy Man because it really 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.600 is like like I'm not like I'm saying it when 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.720 we're saying a lot of funny things, but I'm not joking. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.680 And how big of a impact candy Man has a 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.640 black I mean, there's nothing. What's the other like big 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.000 black horror movie besides tell Us from the Yeah, I 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:51.959 think that's it, right, Yeah, I think it's candy Man 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:58.960 until along and um uh get out. So yeah, there's 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.239 been nothing for us. Yeah, Yeah, it was either this 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:10.080 or acrimony from Tyler Perry scariest movie for a different reason. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:17.160 Oh oh man, so uh so, so, so we went 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:21.880 to Chicago. He was scared. Now we're talking such an 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:26.239 excellent like now you're caught up. You're caught up. Uh So, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.280 Now we get to the casting, which is wilder than 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:36.120 we were ready for. So Eddie Murphy was the original 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.240 choice for the role of candy Man, but his filmmakers 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.320 could not afford him, which means both the film was 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.800 off to a great start, but also he's not the 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.760 choice like, well, and the biggest comedy star is gonna 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:56.440 be our horror guy. I'm gonna till you That's that's 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.160 how I learned My Eddie Murphy impression needs some tightening up. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.879 But you know I got the point. I mean, at 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.680 least you did it, so I didn't have to. Uh So, 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.200 according to time, I met with Bernard Rose, who's a 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.440 brilliant mind and a great director, and I wanted to say, 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.440 uh and I wanted to say it was a higher 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.160 but I just people can't tell me, oh, You'll never 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.000 be able to shake this. And he said, you know, 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:20.919 I'm gonna do the best I can and go with that. 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.040 I knew when I read it. I saw the beats 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.280 and stuff. I knew things like that hadn't been filmed before, 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.000 so that was interesting and I always wanted to find 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.600 my own personal Phantom of the Opera. Todd negotiated a 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.600 bonus of one thousand dollars for every beast thing he 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:41.159 suffered well filming. He was stung twenty three times. I 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.919 mean that's smart. He's like, Yo, you gotta pay me 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.359 a rack every time I get stuff. But also like, 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.600 how do you do you just lie or do they 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.359 check you for standing? I know when you're talking money, 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.800 like talking about a rack, I got stung a million. 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.200 I'm just saying I'm at the doctor right now. Kiss. 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.439 You know it's the Naties. So I can't send you 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:08.119 like a picture. I left my polaroid in my in 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:13.000 my catillec, so you're gonna have to believe me. I'm 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:18.280