Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going. Welcome to Nerdifice Into with Danny
Speaker 1: and Iffy. I'm iff you, waddy Way. Danny is at
Speaker 1: New York City Comic Con, so it's just me and
Speaker 1: my special guest, and I'm super excited. Our guest has
Speaker 1: a mission and I'm happy to be a part of
Speaker 1: that mission. We've interacted so much online. He's laid witness
Speaker 1: to uh shots fired between me and Zig respectively for
Speaker 1: the longest. We're talking about Jeff Trammell. How you doing.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm good. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh man, No, thank you. I mean, you know, before
Speaker 1: we even get into anything, I just want to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, everything that you've done. So you're the head
Speaker 1: writer of Craig of the Creek, you know, and you've
Speaker 1: came up through was it Nick's uh writing writing program,
Speaker 1: so you you know your success story around all that.
Speaker 1: And have you always wanted to do animation? H No?
Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, I want to be
Speaker 1: a pro wrestler. Uh. So I went after that for
Speaker 1: a while and then I was like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: hurts a lot. I don't like feeling like an old
Speaker 1: man with no back when uh when I wake up
Speaker 1: at the age of eighteen. So I eventually moved into
Speaker 1: like I went to a trade school in Michigan, UH,
Speaker 1: where I studied like video production, and one day I
Speaker 1: caught an episode at thirty Rock. I was like, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: you can get paid right. No one told me this,
Speaker 1: And you can do comedy and you don't have to
Speaker 1: like write books. So that was kind of when I
Speaker 1: like realigned my focus. And that was I was twenty
Speaker 1: at the time, and uh, I took up writing, taught myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't go to college, and then when uh I
Speaker 1: was twenty five, applied for the Nick writing program, got in,
Speaker 1: moved out here, uh and been out working in animation
Speaker 1: for the last four years. Wow, that's so dope. So
Speaker 1: what was it was? What was the first show you
Speaker 1: worked on? The first show I ever worked on was
Speaker 1: the show called Harvey Beaks at Nickelodeon. I was produced
Speaker 1: or created by C. H. Greenblatt, who also created the
Speaker 1: show Chowder what you might know. So, uh, that was
Speaker 1: a great like start for me because the room was
Speaker 1: like super welcoming and everyone taught me a lot, like
Speaker 1: the perfect room for me to start in, and within
Speaker 1: like two months in that room. They gave me a
Speaker 1: freelance episode, which hardly ever happens. And uh, that was
Speaker 1: the first show I worked on. Then I moved around too,
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon's upcoming show Glitch Texts uh, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other shows that I can't name yet, but mainly Craig
Speaker 1: of the Creek, where I started as the staff writer
Speaker 1: for season one and got promoted the hat writer for
Speaker 1: seasons two and three. Wow, well, big congrats is already
Speaker 1: that with that dope resume. Uh So, what's something you're
Speaker 1: you're you're seeking out about this week? So this might
Speaker 1: be old for you, but I'm looking for people to
Speaker 1: talk about it with. I just started reading and watching
Speaker 1: my hero Academia. Oh yeah, now, so yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm still season one so so so no,
Speaker 1: we're we're ready. I'm gonna start chopping it up with
Speaker 1: you on that. But you've been digging it, oh man.
Speaker 1: I started reading it four days ago. Uh, and I'm
Speaker 1: on chapter one and two. So yeah, I'm I'm getting
Speaker 1: I'm digging it pretty much. You're you're deep in over me.
Speaker 1: I just did twitch Con. I was down in San
Speaker 1: Diego for twitch Con and Twitch Con is one of
Speaker 1: the most exciting times a year for me. Now this
Speaker 1: was my third one, and now I'm like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is my jam because it's crazy to see you,
Speaker 1: like all the faces behind the screen name and meeting
Speaker 1: everyone and just the energy around it. Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: You're walking around and you're seeing people and you think
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I know that person. You know, I
Speaker 1: just watched their face while they played video games. So
Speaker 1: I'm it's gonna be in San Diego next year and
Speaker 1: I'm already looking forward to it. And I had fun
Speaker 1: idea the season finale of my sneaker show on Twitch
Speaker 1: fresh Stock and that went well. Puma laced me up
Speaker 1: in these they're doing a collaboration with the Cloud nineties
Speaker 1: Sports team, and they gave me like the shirt and
Speaker 1: the sweatsuit that they're coming out for it and it's
Speaker 1: not dropped until the tenth So you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: nothing a sneaker had likes more than wearing some stuff
Speaker 1: that people can't even get. Yeah, so I gotta get
Speaker 1: on Twitch, that's what you're telling. Look, look, we'll talk
Speaker 1: sneaks on Twitch. You know, we gotta get ready for
Speaker 1: this next season. But yeah, no, so that was dope
Speaker 1: for me and it was a good time. And now
Speaker 1: it's like it's officially Spoketober. You know this episode, you know,
Speaker 1: since I knew you were coming, I wanted it to
Speaker 1: be you know, not only something spooky, but something black
Speaker 1: and spooky. This is a property that you know, had
Speaker 1: real prominence in the black community. I think the only
Speaker 1: way I could have made this episode blacker is if
Speaker 1: we did Tales from the Hood, which I kind of
Speaker 1: am regretting not choosing that one. I will come back, yea.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is we're talking about candy Man, which
Speaker 1: you know, before we even get into nitty gritty, you
Speaker 1: were saying you haven't seen it in almost like twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time. Same here. It's been a
Speaker 1: while since I like even remembered candy Man. We lightly
Speaker 1: touched on candy Man last year when we did Horrid Noir,
Speaker 1: uh and we and we talked about that, but like
Speaker 1: now we're gonna truly go in because it had like
Speaker 1: an impact because it's so funny because we talked about like,
Speaker 1: you know, needing representation and diversity now, but nineties had
Speaker 1: a like big, like splash of diversity. You know, you
Speaker 1: had family matters the Waynes Bros. You know, meteor Man,
Speaker 1: you had blank Man, fresh Print, fresh Prints don't be
Speaker 1: a medicine, South Central We drink can choose basically the
Speaker 1: way In were pushing like diversity and they didn't have
Speaker 1: to hire anyone because their family was so big. But
Speaker 1: this was another one of those like splashes. And this
Speaker 1: was a horror movie. I was centered around you know,
Speaker 1: black culture, blackness and uh and everything. And I remember
Speaker 1: instead of like I know, there was the Bloody Mary.
Speaker 1: You can say the name three three times? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: people said that for candy Man where I grew up,
Speaker 1: like if you say candy Man in the mirror, he
Speaker 1: comes and he kills you. But it's five times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's five times in the actual movie. But but but
Speaker 1: people were like three times in the mirror. Yeah. My
Speaker 1: fiance is still won't say it really still today. Well
Speaker 1: I was telling her about it yesterday. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're doing candy Man. She was like, you can
Speaker 1: only say that name so many times. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna She's like, still, she's not wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it could no one you know, knowing that
Speaker 1: I know have said it five times, but here's the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty from The Wicked. Did he uh? Candy Man
Speaker 1: is a American supernatural slasher film written and directed by
Speaker 1: Bernard Rose and starring Virginia Madsen, Tony Todd, Xander Berkeley
Speaker 1: and Kassi Lemon's and Vanessa Williams. Based on the short
Speaker 1: story The Forbidden by Clive Barker, the film follows a
Speaker 1: graduate student in Chicago complete and a thesis on urban legend,
Speaker 1: which leads her to the legend of Candy Man, the
Speaker 1: ghost of an artist and son of a slave who
Speaker 1: was murdered in the late nineteenth century. Which, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was. It's it's so funny because I until
Speaker 1: revisiting it in my adult life, was I really up
Speaker 1: to date on like the backstory to canymnep? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's real deep. I always just thought he was just
Speaker 1: a scary man. Yeah. Then you find out why he's angry,
Speaker 1: and he's angry because he loves white women. Like, let's
Speaker 1: keep it funky. That's that's the story. If a black
Speaker 1: guy loves white women so much, he's gonna kill you
Speaker 1: four not wrong. Yeah, but there's all these other like,
Speaker 1: um wild parts about it that I didn't know, like
Speaker 1: the fact that it's from a story from Clive Barker's
Speaker 1: that it has like serious horror roots, and then uh,
Speaker 1: you know, then it got uh amped up. We'll say
Speaker 1: so the Forbidden, so just so we'll look at the
Speaker 1: Forbidden and then like already off that fuel. Candy Man.
Speaker 1: The Forbidden is about the university student named Helen who's
Speaker 1: doing a thesis on graffiti, and then she selects a rundown,
Speaker 1: a state to focus her study. She noticed disturbing graffiti
Speaker 1: in an abandoned building that makes references to an urban
Speaker 1: legend known as candy Man. Further inquiries led her to
Speaker 1: believe this is connected with recent murders and mutilations in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Although the locals are seemingly reluctant to discuss
Speaker 1: the incidents, She eventually encounters the candy Man himself, getting
Speaker 1: notoriety by becoming his latest victim. And that's what that's
Speaker 1: what happened with a candy Man. Yeah, it seems pretty
Speaker 1: close to what candy Man is, except like it seems
Speaker 1: like it just sent in short story form that the
Speaker 1: ending is horrible anything, I mean, the ending The Candyman
Speaker 1: actually isn't great, like not, you know, like it's not
Speaker 1: a happy ending. But this one is just like in
Speaker 1: a horror fashion of being like yeah, yeah, it's It's
Speaker 1: basically like, this is a cautionary tale. Never say candy
Speaker 1: man or you will die. Yeah, never say candy man,
Speaker 1: even if you're doing the paper or a podcast. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, we gotta get a candy bank. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we've definitely went over it. This is this is how
Speaker 1: the key Impel version is gonna starts. Oh man, so um.
Speaker 1: The film came to Fruition after a chance meeting between
Speaker 1: director Rose and Clive Barker, who had recently completed his
Speaker 1: own HM adaptation of Night Breed, and Rose express interest
Speaker 1: in Barker's story that forbidden, and Barker agreed to license
Speaker 1: the right. Where Barker's story revolved around themes of the
Speaker 1: British class system in contemporary Liverpool, Rose chose to refit
Speaker 1: the story to Cabrini Green public housing development in Chicago
Speaker 1: instead focus on the themes race and social class and
Speaker 1: inner city United States. So it seems like the difference
Speaker 1: because I didn't get to crack open the actual book
Speaker 1: Volume five of the Black Barker Book is that Candyman
Speaker 1: was white and then the original candy Man. He was like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: gonna caut you with my hook. Sorry to all my
Speaker 1: British listeners, all of them except Drake Levi, who I
Speaker 1: hope to disrespect any chance I get, But every other
Speaker 1: British listener I truly apologize. Um, there's just so many
Speaker 1: inside jokes of people I'm slandering. I figured as much.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna pry. Yeah, Drake is
Speaker 1: a member of my commune and he's uh black Londoner
Speaker 1: who uh he hops, you know, he'll hop and play
Speaker 1: with me, and it's like storms. He joins my discord
Speaker 1: and just goes off like that's exactly like I wish
Speaker 1: I was joking, because like I remember, it was him
Speaker 1: and there's another guy in our community, Wolf Yahmi and
Speaker 1: they're both black Londoners and they jumped in the discord
Speaker 1: together and just started talking using slang words I've never
Speaker 1: heard before, lots of in its thoughts of blood brov
Speaker 1: Man deems. All of that. I was. It was fascinating.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is what we might
Speaker 1: must sound to black like yeah, bet naming. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna run that back, like what, Like I said,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a very black episode of Nerd Deficit.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that there's that kind of dialogue in the
Speaker 1: upcoming Possible Candymen. Yeah, like if it's updated like that
Speaker 1: and like just a bunch of s and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So here I was that you were talking about the
Speaker 1: social bit most Like, I know that that's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting because like it really like looking back on it
Speaker 1: with adult eyes, they really were trying to say something,
Speaker 1: but you know, it had a comment on social and
Speaker 1: race issues as well as a white director can do.
Speaker 1: You know, you can only you're only so limited, especially
Speaker 1: like because really the foundation, I do respect how you
Speaker 1: would like talking about like housing projects and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but it really is a cat to happen, especially something
Speaker 1: as nuanced as projects, because anyone, any person of color
Speaker 1: who's like grown up in the hood or trap or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, there's like such a
Speaker 1: interesting take on it because like there are aspects of
Speaker 1: it that are bad, there are aspects of it that
Speaker 1: are home, and lots of times when you're from the
Speaker 1: outside looking at it, you can only see the portion,
Speaker 1: and that's how you kind of portray it. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly how it was portrayed, because even watching that scene
Speaker 1: again last en. I watched it again last night, and
Speaker 1: the scene where they show up and they're like immediately
Speaker 1: it's just like getting cat called and just a terrible place.
Speaker 1: And it's just like five dudes crowding around these women
Speaker 1: and you're like Jesus Christ, what if why are you here?
Speaker 1: But then also like you know, no, it's fine. They
Speaker 1: think we're police and I'm like, well, no, you don't
Speaker 1: look like police officers at all. What is happening here?
Speaker 1: Like like I said, And that's what's so funny too.
Speaker 1: It is like just the the the aspect. Like I remember,
Speaker 1: so I grew up in Compton Um and then I
Speaker 1: moved to Downey when I was in like I started
Speaker 1: going to school in Downey in eighth grade, but I
Speaker 1: didn't move to Downy to like tenth grade. But I
Speaker 1: remember a lot of times, you know, from Downy, like
Speaker 1: all the white people that I met would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I walked in Compton, I'd get shot. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, there are gang member was waiting
Speaker 1: at the board. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kudos to them, because I also did think
Speaker 1: I could just walk in houses without knocking, because that's
Speaker 1: what all the white people on TV did. So so
Speaker 1: like I was like, we both were wrong, but you
Speaker 1: were more wrong than I was. I was so sure.
Speaker 1: I was so ready to get a ladder like claristics.
Speaker 1: That would have been a horror movie real quick. You
Speaker 1: imagine this thick Nigerian guy crawling into your room. Fantasy
Speaker 1: for some nightmare for most. But uh but yeah, so
Speaker 1: um so then they talk he licensed it, and they're like,
Speaker 1: bet we're gonna make this. Um, We're gonna make this happen.
Speaker 1: Let's get into production the screenplay, so the change of
Speaker 1: set necessitated a change to certain elements for the film,
Speaker 1: according to the journalists. According to journalists Steve Bagaria, one
Speaker 1: source of inspiration may have been a pair of articles
Speaker 1: he wrote for The Chicago Reader in seven and nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety about the murder of Ruthie May McCoy, a resident
Speaker 1: of Chicago's Abbot Homes housing project. Seven. McCoy had been
Speaker 1: killed by an intruder who entered her apartment through an
Speaker 1: opening behind the bathroom's medicine cabinet. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: the first piece of information I'm anna rebuff, like like I'm, I'm,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna have to side out of this regard.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I wrote an article about someone
Speaker 1: got murdered in a home invasion, Like yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: lot that happened. That's a that's a textbook crime. My guy,
Speaker 1: you're the one. You're the one who inspired this whole move,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure you know in Chicago they had a
Speaker 1: few of those. I mean, I just love the fact that,
Speaker 1: like he was like, well, I wrote this article once
Speaker 1: and again in so clearly they ripped me on. You're
Speaker 1: ripping yourself over. This is irrefutable, irrefutable evidence. And that's
Speaker 1: what I love is that it's according to take him.
Speaker 1: There was nobody the the Rose didn't say this. Barker
Speaker 1: did not say this. He was like, nah, they stole
Speaker 1: it from me. See this is what apps we get
Speaker 1: info for Wikipedia, and why I like to get info
Speaker 1: for because I feel like any official documentation on this
Speaker 1: movie was not going to mention this one report. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: I reported on crime in Chicago. You know, yeah, we
Speaker 1: ain't got many of those were life that's like you
Speaker 1: being like yo. So boys in the Hood ripped me
Speaker 1: off because I grew up a comment. They ripped me
Speaker 1: off based on a MySpace post I'd posted about living
Speaker 1: in Compton in two thousand and five and two thousands alright,
Speaker 1: so and it's such a like anecdote that I'm glad
Speaker 1: it was added. So then, uh, there was some controversy
Speaker 1: that the film was depicting racism and racial stereotypes. This
Speaker 1: film based on that scene you just described. I don't
Speaker 1: see what the problem is. You know what, just according
Speaker 1: to Rose, I had to go and have a whole
Speaker 1: set of meetings with the Inn double a CP because
Speaker 1: the producer were so worried. And what they said to
Speaker 1: me was they'd read the script. What they said to
Speaker 1: me when they read the script was why are we
Speaker 1: even having this meeting? You know? This is just good fun? Um.
Speaker 1: This must be the National Advancement the National Association of
Speaker 1: the Advancement of Caucasian People. Their argument was, why shouldn't
Speaker 1: a black actor be a ghost? Why should black actor
Speaker 1: play Freddy Kruger arondible elector? If you're saying that they
Speaker 1: can't be it's really perverse, this is a horror movie.
Speaker 1: According to Madison, I was and am now worried about
Speaker 1: how people will respond. I don't think uh, I don't
Speaker 1: think Spike Lee will like this film. To his defense,
Speaker 1: he's right, because SPI don't like anything like yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's a that's an easy did I make it no trash?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is great because I want to
Speaker 1: know how much of that is true. I just love
Speaker 1: the quote why shouldn't a black actor be a ghost?
Speaker 1: It's like, imagine how much better Woo be Goldberg? But
Speaker 1: it man, it's that a Patrick. I don't know, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't she a ghost? Oh? This is Oh, this is
Speaker 1: already off to the best start, because I mean this
Speaker 1: is this is the amount of gravity to approached this movie.
Speaker 1: But also it's like it's funny because it is like
Speaker 1: a tin pole in the black community. It's important. It's
Speaker 1: it's important to us because like we said, why shouldn't
Speaker 1: black people be a ghost? Or a Freddie Rueger? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, yeah this yeah, this this is great. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be my most fun is just kind of
Speaker 1: diving into sections of this because like I want to
Speaker 1: know what script the in double a c P was reading,
Speaker 1: you know, because also, like if you're in a script
Speaker 1: you read enters the Avid Kinny projects, it probably doesn't
Speaker 1: read the same as when you shot the scene of
Speaker 1: four black dudes with sagging if rob wasn't that extra
Speaker 1: descriptive script because on paper, yeah, why why not do
Speaker 1: candy Man? Okay? Um, Now we got onto the filming, which,
Speaker 1: although barker short story is set in his native Liverpool,
Speaker 1: Rose decided that the film would be much better done
Speaker 1: in the US, like we uh, like we said earlier. Um,
Speaker 1: and he's scouted locations in Chicago and found Cabrini Green,
Speaker 1: which was an incredible arena for horror, for a horror
Speaker 1: movie because it was a place of such palpable fear.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Like thet he was a white
Speaker 1: person walking around south side Chicago and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is scary. I am afraid right now. This is
Speaker 1: this is the perfect setting because all I can imagine
Speaker 1: is this like young white guy in a beret walking
Speaker 1: around south side Chicago and doing the finger things. Directors,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is horrifying. Yeah, this is scary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it. This is where we make it, alright,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be diving in some more with Candy Man.
Speaker 1: We're already off to this is fun and spooky, spooked over,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna hear from some of these uh these
Speaker 1: these sponsors, uh commercials. We'll be right back, Welcome back
Speaker 1: to narrative. EM I'm if you wait, sitting across from me,
Speaker 1: Jeff Trammel, and we are looking into the modern black
Speaker 1: masterpiece candy Man. H this is this has been the
Speaker 1: most fun and that's that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Is because I speaked over. We go over scary, scary things,
Speaker 1: and there are lots of fun scary things. But it's
Speaker 1: crazy to look back on candy Man because it really
Speaker 1: is like like I'm not like I'm saying it when
Speaker 1: we're saying a lot of funny things, but I'm not joking.
Speaker 1: And how big of a impact candy Man has a
Speaker 1: black I mean, there's nothing. What's the other like big
Speaker 1: black horror movie besides tell Us from the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's it, right, Yeah, I think it's candy Man
Speaker 1: until along and um uh get out. So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: been nothing for us. Yeah, Yeah, it was either this
Speaker 1: or acrimony from Tyler Perry scariest movie for a different reason.
Speaker 1: Oh oh man, so uh so, so, so we went
Speaker 1: to Chicago. He was scared. Now we're talking such an
Speaker 1: excellent like now you're caught up. You're caught up. Uh So,
Speaker 1: Now we get to the casting, which is wilder than
Speaker 1: we were ready for. So Eddie Murphy was the original
Speaker 1: choice for the role of candy Man, but his filmmakers
Speaker 1: could not afford him, which means both the film was
Speaker 1: off to a great start, but also he's not the
Speaker 1: choice like, well, and the biggest comedy star is gonna
Speaker 1: be our horror guy. I'm gonna till you That's that's
Speaker 1: how I learned My Eddie Murphy impression needs some tightening up.
Speaker 1: But you know I got the point. I mean, at
Speaker 1: least you did it, so I didn't have to. Uh So,
Speaker 1: according to time, I met with Bernard Rose, who's a
Speaker 1: brilliant mind and a great director, and I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: uh and I wanted to say it was a higher
Speaker 1: but I just people can't tell me, oh, You'll never
Speaker 1: be able to shake this. And he said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the best I can and go with that.
Speaker 1: I knew when I read it. I saw the beats
Speaker 1: and stuff. I knew things like that hadn't been filmed before,
Speaker 1: so that was interesting and I always wanted to find
Speaker 1: my own personal Phantom of the Opera. Todd negotiated a
Speaker 1: bonus of one thousand dollars for every beast thing he
Speaker 1: suffered well filming. He was stung twenty three times. I
Speaker 1: mean that's smart. He's like, Yo, you gotta pay me
Speaker 1: a rack every time I get stuff. But also like,
Speaker 1: how do you do you just lie or do they
Speaker 1: check you for standing? I know when you're talking money,
Speaker 1: like talking about a rack, I got stung a million.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm at the doctor right now. Kiss.
Speaker 1: You know it's the Naties. So I can't send you
Speaker 1: like a picture. I left my polaroid in my in
Speaker 1: my catillec, so you're gonna have to believe me. I'm
Speaker 1: calling you on a landline. Oh my gosh. So that's
Speaker 1: how we got So that's how we got um. Todd
Speaker 1: and then Virginia Madson was friends with director Bernard and
Speaker 1: his then wife Alexander Pig and Matson was original was
Speaker 1: originally to play the role of Helen's friend Bernie. While
Speaker 1: I'm Pig was to play Helen, so he's gonna cast
Speaker 1: his wife. Yeah. Yeah. The choice was then made to
Speaker 1: make the character of Bernie African Americans, so Mattson lost
Speaker 1: the part. Diversity strikes again. As shooting was about to commence,
Speaker 1: Peg discovered that she was pregnant, so the role of
Speaker 1: Heaven Helen was offered to Mattson. Had Mattson been unable
Speaker 1: to step into the role, producer Alan Pole was partial
Speaker 1: to say wait. So he was like, first, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be my wife, and then he was like, she's pregnant though,
Speaker 1: so the second it's gonna be her, Yeah, her homie,
Speaker 1: and then the homie couldn't do it. Sandy bull What
Speaker 1: I can't talk about, are you kidding me? Is this
Speaker 1: early Sandra Bullet because Sandra Bullock and Sandra Bullet and
Speaker 1: she's sitting behind the director's wife and man, that that
Speaker 1: old tell that tells you everything you need, Towood, that
Speaker 1: tells you everything. Sandra Bullock. Oh man. So the film
Speaker 1: score was composed by Philip Glass, and according to Glass,
Speaker 1: is to become It has become a classic. So I
Speaker 1: still make money from that score to checks every year.
Speaker 1: What a flex a stand a kid. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still making racks, stay getting money on his candy Man.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry hired me because I make classes. Do you
Speaker 1: know the candy Man theme off the top of your head? No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I couldn't if that was a gun
Speaker 1: in my head. I'm dead. I don't know that. I'm
Speaker 1: just going here it comes Canny. I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if we can find it on Spotify
Speaker 1: to get it. And here I am contributed to that
Speaker 1: check right now, candy Man, candy Man main theme from
Speaker 1: candy Man. So it does because this isn't even his right,
Speaker 1: this isn't even the track. It's from Halloween themes, so
Speaker 1: that and so he definitely has some cloud when he's
Speaker 1: getting uh copied by Halloween and I'm with a banger.
Speaker 1: Here we go, prepare. It's pretty close to what you
Speaker 1: were doing. I mean, I feel like he gets checks
Speaker 1: from from like dub step tracks, because that sounds like
Speaker 1: every the beginning to every dub step song I've heard
Speaker 1: to my life. He just needed like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: do do look well we'll ask a producer Dan if
Speaker 1: he used that in this Gladiators track. He's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, oh my god, this is the best. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. He's talking, he's he's putting numbers on
Speaker 1: the board. Tony Todd confirmed in an interview with I
Speaker 1: g N that a limited edition featuring seventy copies of
Speaker 1: the film soundtrack was released in February. Two souls that
Speaker 1: can still have seven thousand, hundred ninety nine copies sitting
Speaker 1: in the trunk. You ain't talking about all that, huh, Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this release. Baby. So The Cannyman had
Speaker 1: its world premiere at the Toronto International Film to tiff Baby.
Speaker 1: This was a tiff opening film, son, and it was
Speaker 1: part of its Midnight Madness lineup. What is that? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It seems like Tiffic was getting wild in
Speaker 1: the nineties and then it was released in October on
Speaker 1: October where it made twenty five point seven million budget.
Speaker 1: Al right, the budget was eight to nine million five.
Speaker 1: I mean, well you get the guarantee twenty for black people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna show us. So, so you that was you?
Speaker 1: You made uh you made a free throw. You didn't
Speaker 1: think it, but I mean that's a huge come up. Um,
Speaker 1: we should have known. I know, yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 1: I but now stop with a critical response. So Ron
Speaker 1: Tomato has it at se a fifty three survey critics,
Speaker 1: with an average eating of six point three to ten.
Speaker 1: The Curicum consensus raids though it though it ultimately sacrifices
Speaker 1: some mystery in the name of gory thrills, Candyman is
Speaker 1: a nuanced, effectively chilling tell that benefits from an interesting
Speaker 1: premise and some fine performances. Yeah, that's the one thing
Speaker 1: you want to hear about a horror movie that you mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, it's it's nuanced. I mean, I really
Speaker 1: got to think about it a bit, but is great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's talk about our homie Ebert, because that's
Speaker 1: that's you know, he's not holding back. Ebert wrote, elements
Speaker 1: of the plot may not hold up in clear in
Speaker 1: the clear light of day, but that didn't bother me much.
Speaker 1: What I liked was a horror movie that was scaring
Speaker 1: me with ideas and gore instead of simply with gore.
Speaker 1: All right, that'd be bad. So that it's okay. They
Speaker 1: did good. We got Kevin Thomas from that like times,
Speaker 1: though he called it. Clive Barker's worst to date, and
Speaker 1: he says it quickly becomes as repellent as it is preposterous.
Speaker 1: But honestly, I can't slander this man. I was gonna say, honestly,
Speaker 1: he could just be a racist. Kevin Thomas's lawyer contacting
Speaker 1: the podcast. So I did not say that. Oh sometimes
Speaker 1: once sooner or later. Um, how stuff works is gonna
Speaker 1: pull the plug on my mouth. So the film came
Speaker 1: in at number seventy five on bravos One Scariest Movie Moments,
Speaker 1: and the character can Deman Can even number eight on
Speaker 1: Bloody Disgustings Top thirteen Slashers in Horror Movie History, and
Speaker 1: ranked the same on Hugo's Top eleven Slashers. Uh. Tony Todd,
Speaker 1: the actor who played Candy Man, made number fifty three
Speaker 1: on Retro Crushes a hundred Greatest Horror Movie Performances for
Speaker 1: his role. The film appears in two sections of films
Speaker 1: dot org's Greatest Scary Movie Moments and Scenes and Greatest
Speaker 1: Movie Twist Spoilers and Surprise Endings. Um, and that's that's
Speaker 1: that's just all about the movie. I guess we gotta
Speaker 1: kind of talk about the plot. I noticed we talked everything. Also,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about here's one thing about candy
Speaker 1: Man that I wanted that I just remember that messed
Speaker 1: me up. So this is the poster. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like that. I don't like that. But what does this
Speaker 1: poster also look like? A coaster of Candyman shows a
Speaker 1: bee crawling into an eye and it looks very similar,
Speaker 1: and it's like a very washed out white eye, and
Speaker 1: it looks a lot like the Silence of the Lamb, Like,
Speaker 1: uh one, Silence of the Lamb came out, this came
Speaker 1: out in So I'm just saying somebody was copying somebody.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just one guy who's doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like and he's like, all right, well we got
Speaker 1: James and a giant peach. We don't want a peach
Speaker 1: on somebody knows, like, looks son that did you see
Speaker 1: the numbers that Silence of the Lamb was doing. Put
Speaker 1: a bug on a white face. Don't don't do nothing else.
Speaker 1: Put a bug on the face, because that's what we
Speaker 1: gotta do. So basically, the plot of Cannyman has Helen Lyle,
Speaker 1: who is a graduate student. This is very much the
Speaker 1: same as the short story who was researching urban legends
Speaker 1: and here about the local story of Candyman. The legend
Speaker 1: came that claims that Candyman can be summoned by saying
Speaker 1: his name five times while face can mirror, whereupon he
Speaker 1: will kill the summoner with a hook jammed in the
Speaker 1: bloody stump of his right arm. She encounters two cleaning
Speaker 1: ladies who tell her about Ruthie Jean, a resident of
Speaker 1: the notorious Cabrini greenhousing project, who they claim was killed
Speaker 1: by candy Man. Helen's research turns up twenty five other
Speaker 1: mayor other murders in the area similar to Ruthie Jeans.
Speaker 1: Later that evening, Helen and her friend Bernadette Walsh, skeptical
Speaker 1: of candy Man's existence, call candy Man's name into the
Speaker 1: mirror in Helen's bathroom and nothing happens. Helen learns from
Speaker 1: Professor Philip Purcell that Candyman was the son of a slave.
Speaker 1: Here we go, here's the juice of the origin of Cannyman.
Speaker 1: Cannyman was the son of a slave who became posterous
Speaker 1: after developing a system for mass producing shoes in Civil War.
Speaker 1: So candy Man is a son of a slave who
Speaker 1: makes sneakers candy during the Yo man the katy once Yo,
Speaker 1: I need them during the Civil War. He grew up
Speaker 1: in a polite society and became a well known artist,
Speaker 1: sought after for his talent in producing portraits. After falling
Speaker 1: in love and with and fathering a child with a
Speaker 1: white woman, he was hired to paint. In eighteen nine,
Speaker 1: Candyman was set upon by a lynch mob hired by
Speaker 1: his lover's father. They cut off his painting hand and
Speaker 1: replaced it with a hook. He was smeared with honey
Speaker 1: stolen from an apiary, attracting hungry, hungry bees, which stung
Speaker 1: him to death. A long way to go to just
Speaker 1: kill him, man. Yeah, His corpse was burned into pirate
Speaker 1: and his ashes were scattered across the area where Cabrini
Speaker 1: break states. So it was like, first off, take his hand,
Speaker 1: m he can't paint no more. Also, we're gonna kill him,
Speaker 1: but he can't paint no more and heaving buster. Then
Speaker 1: then they was like, all right, we cut off his hand,
Speaker 1: what can you do? Not Well, I got it, honey,
Speaker 1: So we stole some funny bro and you know what
Speaker 1: I know, bees like honey, they're gonna sting him. We're
Speaker 1: gonna stay him to death. Then we're gonna burn his corpse,
Speaker 1: and then we're just gonna sprinkle his ashes. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: he did put in his wheel that he wanted his
Speaker 1: ashes sp and we know you gotta respect the will,
Speaker 1: even if we linched, and we gotta respect that will.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna sprinkle the ashes everywhere this plot is wild.
Speaker 1: Sprinkle his ashes and that and and and essentially they
Speaker 1: just yanked Poulter guyst They're like, it's all right, so
Speaker 1: that's the So, yeah, pulled your guys. You you were you,
Speaker 1: you live on the barrel ground of natives. What if
Speaker 1: we take that use it for this. You just sprinkled slave.
Speaker 1: I mean, just keep coming. We built the projects on
Speaker 1: top of it. Okay, let me ask you something because again,
Speaker 1: I started watching this movie last night. I didn't finish
Speaker 1: it for multiple reasons. I was busy, it was I
Speaker 1: was busy. But okay, do they explain where he got
Speaker 1: the hook from? And do they explain why his name
Speaker 1: is can't even uh, well, the hook it's they said
Speaker 1: they shoved it, the hook and the stump when they
Speaker 1: cut his arm off and lynched. Why that that is
Speaker 1: a wild thing. But I cut his hand off and
Speaker 1: put a hook on it. Ha ha, alright, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna burn you. Don't We're gonna burn you the
Speaker 1: dust and sprinkle you all over. Okay, maybe I need
Speaker 1: to rewatch you. Who knows? Maybe that was his family
Speaker 1: was like we gotta sprinkle. I don't know, that is wild.
Speaker 1: So Helen decides to write a thesis on how the
Speaker 1: residence of Cabrina Breen used the Candyman legend to cope
Speaker 1: with the hardships of living there. She and Bernadette entered
Speaker 1: the housing project to visit the scene of Ruthie Jean's murders.
Speaker 1: There they meet Anne Marie McCoy, one of the residents,
Speaker 1: and a young boy named Jake, who tells Helen the
Speaker 1: disturbing story of a child who was castrated in a
Speaker 1: public restroom by candy Man. While Helen explores the Rundown restroom,
Speaker 1: she is attacked by a gang leader who carries a
Speaker 1: hook and is assumed has assumed candy Man's moniker in
Speaker 1: order to enhance his street correct. I love when white
Speaker 1: people write gang violence name like he was a Rick
Speaker 1: Ross I'm candy Man, but I like that his something
Speaker 1: like for street cramps to be like, oh man, not
Speaker 1: not um um, young killer. Ain't hard enough candy Man,
Speaker 1: that's mr to blow your brains out. Not rough enough
Speaker 1: candy Man, little shooter. Nah, candy Man, and I carry
Speaker 1: a hook for some reason. This is great um. Helen
Speaker 1: survives the assault and is able to identify her attacker
Speaker 1: to the police, who believe him to be responsible for
Speaker 1: the killings attributed to Candyman. Helen tells Jake that Candyman
Speaker 1: is a made up character that isn't real. In a
Speaker 1: parking garage, Helen is confronted by the real candy Man,
Speaker 1: who explains that since Helen has discredited his lesson, he
Speaker 1: must shut innocent blood to perpetuate belief in himself and
Speaker 1: continue his existence. Are you trying to not make people
Speaker 1: believe in me? Also, I love that a coast from
Speaker 1: slave times comes back to the future and wants to
Speaker 1: kill more black people, Like that's really you ain't catching
Speaker 1: no white bodies because that'd be the number one on
Speaker 1: my list after what happened to me. I'd be in
Speaker 1: from get in Chicago. I'm going to Manhattan, sex and
Speaker 1: the city is not being made because Samantha carry they
Speaker 1: all done. I might smash Somemantha actually me and Samantha
Speaker 1: getting married, but the rest of them done. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is wild. God. Oh yeah, this is great. Okay,
Speaker 1: Uh about sheddings in blood so people can believe in them.
Speaker 1: I wish, By the way, another borrowed the concept because
Speaker 1: apparently the only way to defeat Freddy Krueger is to
Speaker 1: not believe, so so this is also we're borrowing from
Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger, and we've borrowed from Poulter Geist. Uh. Helen
Speaker 1: blacks out and wakes up in Anne Marie's apartment covered
Speaker 1: in blood, and Marie whose dog has been decapitated. Lot, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta go to break. When we get back, hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll find out why this dog with the Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is wild. I'll see you in a second. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Nertifficent. We can't handle this, um if you wadway.
Speaker 1: Jeff Trammell right over there, we're reading through the plot
Speaker 1: of Candy Man. I'm glad we waited this long ado it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got all the making of the all
Speaker 1: that out of the way. Because the plot itself needs
Speaker 1: to be dived into. Because also another thing to remember
Speaker 1: while we're going through this plot is Key and Peele
Speaker 1: is rebooting this, So it's gonna be keep I keep
Speaker 1: calling Key and people, Jordan Peele my bad, Jordan's y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all together for the rest of my life. Jordan Peele
Speaker 1: is remaking this. It's gonna be fun to see what
Speaker 1: he decides to keep and what he gets rid of.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be along. Let's got a
Speaker 1: lot of the Chopper block if I'm reading. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: all right, Um, So the dog has been decapitated and
Speaker 1: Amory's baby Anthony is missing, and she attacks Helen. In
Speaker 1: the midst of defending herself, Helen is arrested by the police. Trevor,
Speaker 1: Helen's husband, bills her out of jail, but candy Man
Speaker 1: appears to Helen again and cuts her neck, causing her
Speaker 1: to bleed to a point of unconsciousness, so she blacks
Speaker 1: out again. Bernadette appears at the apartment and is murdered
Speaker 1: by candy Man, who frames Helen for the murder. Helen
Speaker 1: is sedated and placed in a psychiatric hospital after a
Speaker 1: month's stay at the hospital, Helen is interviewed by a
Speaker 1: psychologist in preparation for upcoming trial. She attempts to prove
Speaker 1: her innocence by summoning Candyman, who kills the psychologist else
Speaker 1: Helen to escape, making it harder to prove Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wasn't his goal to prove that he is a real thing?
Speaker 1: So why is he putting all these murders? I don't understand. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to remember last time I read this plot,
Speaker 1: and just you ain't ready. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: You are not and will never be ready, because now
Speaker 1: I'm remembering what happens, and I remember why it raced
Speaker 1: out of my memory. So she returns home and briefly
Speaker 1: confronts Trevor, who is now living with Stacy, one of
Speaker 1: his female undergraduate student students. Helen then flees to Cabrini
Speaker 1: Green to confront Candy Man and locate Anthony. Finding murals
Speaker 1: depicting candy Man's lynching. Helen tracks down candy Man, who
Speaker 1: tells her to surrender to him to ensure the baby's safety.
Speaker 1: So candy Man has the baby. Baby has been missing
Speaker 1: for a month. A month at this point, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: month of baby. That's a toddler, that's no longer a baby.
Speaker 1: It's his baby. You don't get to give it back
Speaker 1: that baby for him up baby, all facts on the
Speaker 1: bad diet. Yeah, that's your baby now, don't try and
Speaker 1: give it back. Offering Helen immortal immortality, Candyman opens his
Speaker 1: coat to reveal a rib cage wreathing bees and kisses her.
Speaker 1: After candy Man vanishes with Anthony, Helen finds a mural
Speaker 1: of candy Man alongside his lover, Caroline Sullivan, who bears
Speaker 1: a striking resemblance to Helen. This this in a message
Speaker 1: left by candy Man imply that Helen is a reincarnation
Speaker 1: of Sullivan. Candy Man promises to release Anthony of Helen
Speaker 1: helps him insight fear among Cabrini Green's residents. However, in
Speaker 1: order to feed his own legend, candy Man re nags
Speaker 1: and attempts to immolate them all in a bonfire. When
Speaker 1: is lit by the residents, Helen manages to save Anthony
Speaker 1: while candy Man is destroyed in the fire, but Helen
Speaker 1: ultimately succumbs to severe burns. The residents, including Anne, Marie,
Speaker 1: and Jake pay their respects at her funeral, with Jake
Speaker 1: tossing candy Man's hook into her grave. Why I mean,
Speaker 1: why sprinkle of slave's ashes? Uh. Afterwards, Trevor and grief
Speaker 1: and guilt over Helen's death, faces his best bathroom mirror
Speaker 1: and says Helen's name five times. As a result, Helen's
Speaker 1: vengeful spirit is summoned and kills Trevor with candy Man's hook,
Speaker 1: leaving his body to be found by Stacy and candy
Speaker 1: Man's former layer. A new mural of Helen with her
Speaker 1: hair ablaze is seen, showing she has now entered folklore
Speaker 1: the end. So what I just learned from that? If
Speaker 1: he said her name five times, she came, then candy
Speaker 1: Man is this man's god given name, his parents or
Speaker 1: a slave master or someone was like yo name candy
Speaker 1: candy Man Johnson's candy Man Johnson right there, candy Man
Speaker 1: Berth all Emel Johnson. And you know he does some
Speaker 1: good pains. You get a candy Man Bertha all of
Speaker 1: New Johnson painting. You better put that on the wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything about this is wild. The like protagonist essentially dies
Speaker 1: becomes the villain at the end, which you know. I
Speaker 1: will say it is a solid twist, but the road
Speaker 1: to get there is way wild. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: see why we have to body a dog in this process.
Speaker 1: That poor dog. That's all I could think about. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then and then like he kind of flips the
Speaker 1: script on her, like he was like, yeah, yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: I want you, But you slashed her neck a few
Speaker 1: hours ago, So what did you really want? Wasn't her?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, everything about this movie? What what is
Speaker 1: Keegan Mike up? That was almost Eddie Murphy and Sandra
Speaker 1: Bullock with enough people backing out. So here's the thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like tear this movie apart, but I
Speaker 1: feel like we already have. If the only reason candy
Speaker 1: Man goes to that area is because they sprinkled his ashes,
Speaker 1: and what became that area, why did Helen come back
Speaker 1: to her home to murder him, unless someone took her
Speaker 1: ashes to that home. My thing is, if Canny make
Speaker 1: it just dyeing a fire, how hasn't he been bodied yet?
Speaker 1: Because obviously this man is not immortal. This man can
Speaker 1: be killed. He died in the fire. This man could
Speaker 1: be shot by the mini guns available in this project.
Speaker 1: He has no one tried that? Why did candy Man
Speaker 1: not trying to kill the folk candy Man the gangster
Speaker 1: candy Man. I'm sure he's just got a quick kill scene.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had to. You had You can't introduce
Speaker 1: him character like that, and we don't see him dies
Speaker 1: about we would just get um. Yeah, there's there's many
Speaker 1: many questions I have. Once again, I'm still going to revisit.
Speaker 1: Why if you are back in civil weare war slave
Speaker 1: times for very you know, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: Kennyman made it Juneteenth. Uh, I don't even think he
Speaker 1: made it. Why are you coming back and killing black
Speaker 1: people like you should have died? If that's if that's
Speaker 1: how you handle your your greef. I mean, it seems
Speaker 1: like he would only kill white people, especially like white men,
Speaker 1: right because he was in love with a white woman.
Speaker 1: So yeah, why is he killing and then after all
Speaker 1: these years still fall for a white woman who would
Speaker 1: have learned, didn't even get didn't want to try one sister,
Speaker 1: going to change your life. I've been sitting there eating
Speaker 1: good you are running back to Helen? Is this a
Speaker 1: movie about me? Uh? So, here's the other thing we
Speaker 1: know about the film. In September of two thousand and eighteen,
Speaker 1: it was announced that Jordan Peele was in talks to
Speaker 1: produce the sequel. Oh, it's a sequel, son, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: it's a reboot, Yeah, through Monkey Paul Production. Uh. And
Speaker 1: Todd stated in a two eighteen interview with Nightmare on
Speaker 1: Film Street, I'd rather have him do it, someone with intelligence.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be thoughtful, uh, and dig into the whole
Speaker 1: racial makeup of who Candy Man is and why he
Speaker 1: existed in the first place. That is a very late shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that definitely is a shot all shots. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: in November, it was confirmed that Peel was going to
Speaker 1: produce the film with Universally MGM partner with When Rosenfield
Speaker 1: to co produce. The film is going to serve as
Speaker 1: a spiritual sequel, Oh, taking place in the new gentrified
Speaker 1: Cabrini Green. So he's already fixing it. Oh yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: we're not even gonna touch Yeah. Yeah, I'm loving it already.
Speaker 1: So then, Um, in two thousand nineteen, we thought la
Speaker 1: Keith was going to uh possibly start in the film,
Speaker 1: but it actually uh turns out that I think yeah,
Speaker 1: in February two thousand, nineteen. Yaha, abdul Matine is gonna
Speaker 1: play the titular character, it says in talks about I
Speaker 1: know he's doing it because he just did a post
Speaker 1: about it. Um. But yeah, yeah was an aquaman. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was in us. He was he was the older
Speaker 1: he was um playing Lupetea's dad. Yeah yeah um. And
Speaker 1: now if his next is gonna be candy Man, so
Speaker 1: he shout out to yah yah yeah. Oh he was
Speaker 1: on the get down as Clarence Cadillac. Uh. Caldwell played
Speaker 1: Omar in Handmade Sale. He was, oh, Carlin st striking Vipers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you remember that He's been in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So it's gonna be fun to see us
Speaker 1: see his take on the Candy Man. Um. And I'm
Speaker 1: super excited for that. I did, like we've I mean,
Speaker 1: you heard us read through it. You know that it
Speaker 1: has ups and has downs. I mean, what what do
Speaker 1: you think, Jeff? What are you excited for the new one?
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts, something you wish they hope
Speaker 1: to visit or not. I mean, I'm very excited for
Speaker 1: the new one. I am curious in the other sequels
Speaker 1: if Helen's in them. You know that is that is interesting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they kind of do like give her, um, you
Speaker 1: know that she has the She's the new candy candy Man.
Speaker 1: The Candy Woman, followed by two sequels, candy Man Farewell
Speaker 1: to the Flesh and candy Man Day of the Dead.
Speaker 1: So let's see what farewell to the Flesh. Well, i'd
Speaker 1: see a woman on this poster. So yeah, so on
Speaker 1: this one. Uh Coleman Tarrant father new school teacher murder
Speaker 1: while investigating the desk of three Men Candyman. One year later,
Speaker 1: three years after the Candyman murders in Chicago, candy Man
Speaker 1: is revealed to be Daniel Robertail, the son of a slave.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a new son of a new slave. It's
Speaker 1: a different Candyman. It's a different Gainey Man. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it says Ginny Man is revealed to be Daniel Robertail,
Speaker 1: son of a slave on a plantation in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Daniel was chosen by a wealthy landover the only slaves
Speaker 1: could take the moniker of candy Man. You just pass
Speaker 1: it down like the flash, but it takes one. Oh
Speaker 1: you gotta be a slave. Uh yeah he was and
Speaker 1: he was also a painter. He painted culture of his
Speaker 1: daughter Caroline, resulting in an affair between the two. After
Speaker 1: Caroline became pregnant, Carlin's father organized a lynch mob to
Speaker 1: hut down Daniel. This is just the same movie cut
Speaker 1: off his right hand coat of honey from a nearby
Speaker 1: b hug. It seems like, seems like back then, it's
Speaker 1: only one way to do a black man who sleeps
Speaker 1: with your wife. You cut off his head, you cover
Speaker 1: room and honey. My father did it. My father's father
Speaker 1: did it, and we're not changing the thing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's in this movie has a separate incident of
Speaker 1: someone and for some reason they're also a painter. That's
Speaker 1: that's also what I like, is also a painter, And
Speaker 1: yeah they they got lynch. And then there's the Day
Speaker 1: of the Dead candy man. So it's not it's not
Speaker 1: the same guy. Not the same guy. So, several years
Speaker 1: after the events of the second film, the ghostly serial
Speaker 1: killer returns once again from beyond the grave, this time
Speaker 1: during the eve of Day of the Dead in l a. Um. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I have no no, no, no clue. Um, But yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like this time is the same same Katy Baby,
Speaker 1: it's the same one from the first one, same, the
Speaker 1: same one for the second one. So Tony Todd only
Speaker 1: played Candyman and one of three movies A yeah, because
Speaker 1: because this one is a new one, and I think
Speaker 1: Todd might have been like, I ain't coming back for that. No, no,
Speaker 1: Tony Todd, No, this is the first kiddy Man. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at my bag. So maybe I'm gonna choose to
Speaker 1: believe that they're two different funniers. If there's two different
Speaker 1: if if that was just the way back then you
Speaker 1: cut his right hand off. That's it. Jeez, Louise, oh man, Jeff,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on chatting with me.
Speaker 1: This was the most fun scary episode that I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do in my life. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Uh, people can find me
Speaker 1: at Mr Jeff Trammel on Twitter and Instagram. U J
Speaker 1: E F F t R A M M E L
Speaker 1: L MR with an m R. I spelled it all.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know I did it that way.
Speaker 1: You guys knew if someone does a candy Man counter,
Speaker 1: please let us know how much? How many times he said,
Speaker 1: let us know how dead we are. Anything you want
Speaker 1: to promote, make people check out. Man, Um, I mean,
Speaker 1: Craig of the Creek is a show on Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1: You can watch on Cartoon Network app uh new premier
Speaker 1: for Halloween this year or this yeah this month, coming
Speaker 1: out soon, so check that out. If you follow me
Speaker 1: on Twitter, I'm sure I'll tweet about it. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do twenty podcast this year, which doesn't sound like a
Speaker 1: big goal when you're like Paul if Tompkins or somebody.
Speaker 1: But when you're just weak. Yeah, when you're just like me,
Speaker 1: uh not not the easiest thing. I'm currently at ten. Thanks, Iffy,
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for having me again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people came through when I posted about
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Gabriel some other people. You were like, yo,
Speaker 1: come on tomorrow. Yeah I three. I can. I can
Speaker 1: at least get three ticks because I do have legitimate
Speaker 1: have three podcasts. Uh so yeah, I'll be talking to
Speaker 1: about those other two. Um. Yeah, you've done like you know,
Speaker 1: if people Craig of the Creek really jumping out at you.
Speaker 1: You did the Sailor Moon inspired character that like lit
Speaker 1: the on five. Yeah, you have you have you done
Speaker 1: a DBC inspired character yet or DBC inspired We do
Speaker 1: a lot of DBC references, but we haven't done one
Speaker 1: yet that we're going to do one. Yeah, come through,
Speaker 1: you know a thousand percent at least DBZ or Jojo.
Speaker 1: I'll hit you with both of us, oh man, and
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