Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: Hello, Call It crew. We have a very special episode
Speaker 1: for you today that we're very excited about. We teased
Speaker 1: it out and so many of you guys wrote in is.
Speaker 3: Juicy, Juicy, juicy, I'm ready for all of it. I
Speaker 3: can't wait to see what we learn.
Speaker 1: It is about sex choice, it's about sex, it's about
Speaker 1: conversations around sex. It's about all the different things we're
Speaker 1: feeling and inside, outside thinking.
Speaker 3: And we went to Zoe, who is a celebrated sex educator.
Speaker 3: She's a journalist, and she is a dildo duchess.
Speaker 1: She's a dildo duchess.
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out about that. I need to start there.
Speaker 3: Maybe we start there.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna be you guys got vulnerable with us.
Speaker 1: We're going to be getting vulnerable with you guys on
Speaker 1: this episode, and we're gonna dive straight in. Let's let's
Speaker 1: bring in our dildo duchess.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: We're both very excited about this episode.
Speaker 2: Me too. Well.
Speaker 3: I'm Jessica, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: I'm Camilla. We have teased out Jessica and I went
Speaker 1: to Chicago recently and we were in front of a
Speaker 1: in a conference room full of fans, and they said,
Speaker 1: what is the most exciting episode you have coming up?
Speaker 1: And we teased this episode out. I said, our homework
Speaker 1: is test driving sex toys.
Speaker 3: It someone has to do it. And by the way,
Speaker 3: we were there and after this, after the convention, we
Speaker 3: went to dinner and we're sitting there at dinner and
Speaker 3: Camilla looks at her phone and breaks into laughter because.
Speaker 1: My husband texts me and he was like, your vibrators came.
Speaker 3: Okay, I remember is is? When I looked at your phone,
Speaker 3: it was just a picture of the vibrator box. And then, uh,
Speaker 3: I think he said, a vibrator came for you in
Speaker 3: the mail.
Speaker 1: I think I think he knew, he knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: He did know what was coming.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I thought it was a total surprise.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? I've been banging on about this episode
Speaker 1: for weeks now.
Speaker 2: I hope it came discreetly, because you know, sometimes beta.
Speaker 3: And also just to go back to where our curiosity started,
Speaker 3: or where my curiosity started, was when we first started
Speaker 3: the podcast. One of our very early episodes because I
Speaker 3: think when you start this kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 3: we talk a lot about we started as actresses, and
Speaker 3: so often you kind of like guard information or you
Speaker 3: just don't want to be so intimate or bring like
Speaker 3: the super personal stories. And in the beginning of the podcast,
Speaker 3: we realize, you know, for sure, that's the most important
Speaker 3: part of this all is how we're connected, and we
Speaker 3: really we we connect over vulnerability and being able to
Speaker 3: talk about things and in a in a in a
Speaker 3: in a real way. And so one of the first
Speaker 3: stories that I told that I was definitely I felt
Speaker 3: like a little on tender hooks telling because I just
Speaker 3: hadn't in a public way before I had talked about
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to buy a vibrator and
Speaker 3: asking and feeling like nervous and not sure what to
Speaker 3: ask and just didn't you actually even want to talk
Speaker 3: or make eye contact with anyone. And then once I
Speaker 3: finally could get through the experience of being in a
Speaker 3: sex toy shop and buying a vibrator, that as I
Speaker 3: got to the cash register, I completely just jumped off
Speaker 3: my train of confidence and asked them to gift wrap
Speaker 3: it because clearly it wasn't for me. It was obviously
Speaker 3: for someone else. So I'm wondering if you gift wrap
Speaker 3: in your shop.
Speaker 2: So we're an online store and everything comes like wrapped
Speaker 2: in tissue paper, so we're not generally gift wrapping individual items.
Speaker 2: But I used to work in a brick and mortar
Speaker 2: ten years ago in Soho, so I had my share
Speaker 2: of experiences with people, you know, even been remembering my
Speaker 2: own experience being eighteen going into a sex toy store.
Speaker 2: I mean, now I sell them and it is my wheelhouse,
Speaker 2: but I remember that first time being like, get me
Speaker 2: out of here. I don't want to think about what
Speaker 2: all these different things do. And it wasn't that I
Speaker 2: didn't have a comfort around sex, but obviously sex education
Speaker 2: does not teach you about that. You're lucky if you
Speaker 2: get any level of comprehensive sex ed. But you know,
Speaker 2: what does that like looking at a harness thinking about
Speaker 2: all those things. Oh, no, here's the butt toy section.
Speaker 2: What like? It just opens all these portals if you're
Speaker 2: walking in. And I think I was just getting novelty
Speaker 2: handcuffs for a college roommate at the time, and then
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: No, I still when I walk into a sex store
Speaker 1: and with my husband, I feel intimidated because I still
Speaker 1: don't know, oh how half the things work. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you find out they work, other than maybe
Speaker 1: asking the person that works there, which is feels weird.
Speaker 1: The only one I remember really back in the day,
Speaker 1: even knowing the name of was the Rabbit, And I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe that's because Sex and the City made
Speaker 1: it for sure, right, And it's like everyone you know
Speaker 1: that was like that was my first ever sex toy
Speaker 1: because it made it feel like it was okay to
Speaker 1: get that wand like it had had you know, pop culture.
Speaker 1: The girl's had it, well, I could get it and
Speaker 1: it was okay.
Speaker 3: By the way the girl's done the things that I
Speaker 3: never did just weer clear.
Speaker 2: Also, the Magic Wand is another one.
Speaker 3: Oh I think that is actually the real og, right,
Speaker 3: that's like, yeah, yeah, the real og Rabbit, Magic Wand.
Speaker 1: Yes these are. But there's so many new toys out there,
Speaker 1: and I'm lost, and I'm forty, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be lost. I want to know. And and the
Speaker 1: crew they've sent us in questions and everything for today,
Speaker 1: but they they're curious. They want to know too, So
Speaker 1: I want to ask you first because your nickname is
Speaker 1: the dildo Duchess, which is incredible. How that name.
Speaker 2: I was just like, that's an alliteration. I really like it.
Speaker 2: I love dildos. I really love talking about them too,
Speaker 2: because I think that not to like get into the
Speaker 2: weeds so early on, but I like a lot of
Speaker 2: toys that I think the average person is like, ew,
Speaker 2: who would use that? Ew? And especially when I was
Speaker 2: working in a brick and mortar, I had a lot
Speaker 2: of time being like, actually, me, you know, something that's
Speaker 2: like larger or longer, or like has a crazy texture
Speaker 2: on it. I found that those were things that were
Speaker 2: getting really knee jerk shocking reactions from people. And you know,
Speaker 2: I had literally have so many sex toys in my
Speaker 2: house that I periodically will donate on opened ones to
Speaker 2: like LGBTQ plus organizations or sex work organizations or you know,
Speaker 2: if they're boilable or testers. I'll just be like, I
Speaker 2: have so many of these things. I do not know
Speaker 2: what to do with them. My whole basement is devoted
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 3: So she's a real duchess.
Speaker 2: It's a problem, but it's also my business. So it's
Speaker 2: actually not.
Speaker 1: Our name yeah, when people are ordering online, what is
Speaker 1: it that is the most popular thing that you find.
Speaker 3: That people are ordering?
Speaker 2: You know that there is definitely fads that come and go.
Speaker 2: I think we might all remember the rose from Technine.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was just TikTok, but the
Speaker 2: rose was really viral in like twenty twenty one ish.
Speaker 2: It still sells really well, but there was a moment
Speaker 2: that that was all people were talking about because it's cute.
Speaker 2: It's easy to put on social media without it looking
Speaker 2: like a body part, right right, right, But that has
Speaker 2: not sustained into twenty twenty four. I mean, it still sells,
Speaker 2: but the novelty has worn off a little bit. I
Speaker 2: think it'll stick around.
Speaker 3: Anything that's effective usually does exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean magic wand was patented in the seventies.
Speaker 1: Is that what you just showed us is the magic wand?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's the mini.
Speaker 3: I personally know a woman who thought she was broken
Speaker 3: and thought I can never have an orgasm and was
Speaker 3: not young. I mean she was young, but she was
Speaker 3: older than you would think for someone who has never
Speaker 3: had an orgasm, and she that was I think that
Speaker 3: that one almost correct me. If I'm wrong. It almost
Speaker 3: seems like that was pretty full proof, like if your
Speaker 3: body's gonna have your body, because obviously, I mean, you
Speaker 3: were gonna get into this. But I guess is there
Speaker 3: are some women who actually cannot physiologically, But if you
Speaker 3: are able physiologically, the magic wand is going to be
Speaker 3: your shortest cut to an orgasm.
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as something that is full proof,
Speaker 2: but you are correct in thinking that it is a
Speaker 2: very popular one due to its power, that it is
Speaker 2: going to really intensely stimulate the body. And there are
Speaker 2: so many reasons that, I mean, specifically Volva's. We just
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of education about anatomy like the clit,
Speaker 2: and the anatomy of the clit was really only fully
Speaker 2: understood in the mid nineties, whereas like penises, we've kind
Speaker 2: of understood, goodness, how they work, how they feel, how
Speaker 2: we pleasure them, like that's always been known.
Speaker 3: You mean before the seventies, before the nineteen seventy, way yeah,
Speaker 3: way back, eighteen hundreds type stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even then. Yeah, uh so we're just starting
Speaker 2: out with like a really lack of baseline knowledge, which
Speaker 2: creates a barrier to orgasm. Then on top of that,
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's sexual trauma, trauma of any kind,
Speaker 2: medications that interact with your libido, and then I think
Speaker 2: a lot of it is also just like a huge
Speaker 2: gap in knowledge. But I like to be really straightforward
Speaker 2: and that like, I'm a person who really only reliably
Speaker 2: gets off with sex toys, and I think that there
Speaker 2: is a little bit of shame in that for some people.
Speaker 2: Thinking I've heard people say things like, well, I you know,
Speaker 2: I like it the organic, natural human way.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like okay, like maybe they have more
Speaker 3: time than others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you are having pleasure, that is great, no
Speaker 2: matter what. And if you're not having orgasms, you are
Speaker 2: pre orgasmic or orgasms just aren't on the table for you.
Speaker 2: There is so much pleasure to be had. But I
Speaker 2: think there is definitely such a big emphasis placed on
Speaker 2: orgasm and magic Wand I mean I'm kind of jumping
Speaker 2: all over the place here.
Speaker 1: No, we love No, let's do it.
Speaker 3: We jump around, Yeah, we jump around.
Speaker 1: It's all good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's super powerful. And some people find that
Speaker 2: the size or the sound of it is like a
Speaker 2: barrier to getting into it. They're like, ah, what am
Speaker 2: I supposed to do with this big object.
Speaker 3: Well again, think back to the nineteen seventies. You were
Speaker 3: also connected to the wall.
Speaker 2: It's a plug. Ye, there's no battery that can beat
Speaker 2: that either. There's nothing more powerful than plug an outlet.
Speaker 3: When my friend was telling me the story, that was
Speaker 3: a component of it, like truly that there's this appliance
Speaker 3: was plugged into the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you an adapter cord, an adapter cord.
Speaker 3: Our crew is vast, and we have all ages and
Speaker 3: all coming from coming from all the places. We've got Europe,
Speaker 3: we've got the US, we've got South, and we've got
Speaker 3: everyone listening. And this is meant to be educational, This
Speaker 3: is meant to be empowering. This is meant to, you know,
Speaker 3: illuminate how curious we all should be about our own
Speaker 3: sexuality and our pleasure. I think because I'm a mom,
Speaker 3: I have a son and three daughters, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of things that I'm interested in talking about that are
Speaker 3: even different than my own experience with sex, right, like
Speaker 3: how to empower and teach a different generation, and how
Speaker 3: as a as a as a female to empower my
Speaker 3: young male son and my three female daughters. So you know,
Speaker 3: we've talked a little bit about both of us were
Speaker 3: raised in Catholic households, so you know what was brought
Speaker 3: to our idea of sexuality from our culture and customs,
Speaker 3: and so that's a piece of it. And then I
Speaker 3: think you get into school age where you know, you're
Speaker 3: talking about sex education classes where I listen to my
Speaker 3: kids talk about it, and that's the last place that
Speaker 3: they want to hear about it. So I feel for
Speaker 3: these schools that you know that need to implement this
Speaker 3: layer of education but sort of don't know how and
Speaker 3: they don't have the best way of going about it.
Speaker 3: And I think also I go back to again having
Speaker 3: a teenage son and an almost teenage daughter.
Speaker 1: Okay, so for someone that is starting out, this is
Speaker 1: brand new to them.
Speaker 2: I think versatility is really important for a first time
Speaker 2: toy because you know, it depends what you want to stimulate.
Speaker 2: Are you looking to put a toy around a body
Speaker 2: part or inside of a body part that's going to
Speaker 2: just boil down to personal preference. I think so much
Speaker 2: of it is going with your gut instinct to a
Speaker 2: certain extent, also accepting that there will be a natural
Speaker 2: trial and error with the first thing you buy you
Speaker 2: might not love. That does not mean all vibrators or
Speaker 2: all strokers and sleeves are going to have that exact
Speaker 2: same experience. You're looking for something that you know has
Speaker 2: multiple speeds, if it's motorized or has multiple ways, it
Speaker 2: can be used so that if you don't like using
Speaker 2: it one way, there's another way you can use it.
Speaker 2: A really good example would be like a g spot vibrator.
Speaker 2: If you don't like using it internally. Most internal vibrators
Speaker 2: are also great as external massagers as well a cockering.
Speaker 2: For instance, if it's vibrating and you don't enjoy using
Speaker 2: it as a cockering, you can use it as an
Speaker 2: external finger vibe. Just as a couple ways that you
Speaker 2: could modify how you use something if you don't like
Speaker 2: its original marketed purpose.
Speaker 3: For instance, I love the Camilla's face, by the way,
Speaker 3: is very serious. My face is very serious. But I
Speaker 3: wonder Camilla if while she was saying any of those words, yeah,
Speaker 3: you had what I had happening inside my body, which
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, she just said cockering.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't I know it's a stroker.
Speaker 3: And a Sleever, what's would you say a sleeve, A
Speaker 3: stroker what.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, I'd say that's my Well it's so funny too,
Speaker 2: because the language I use on social media versus in
Speaker 2: person conversations or you know, there's so many words that
Speaker 2: are censored. So a stroker or sleeve is kind of
Speaker 2: a what is a euphemism for a fleshlight? For instance?
Speaker 1: Like what is a flashlight? Again?
Speaker 2: Okay again?
Speaker 3: Like you knew the first time, like you knew to start?
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Do you know what a flashlight is?
Speaker 3: I've heard I'd been admitting that I have no idea
Speaker 3: what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: There's a fake a fakegina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, oh, I wish I just had
Speaker 2: one easily laying around.
Speaker 1: It's a fake vagina that has sort of like an attachment, right,
Speaker 1: so you can insert yourself into it.
Speaker 2: It's basically a tube that you can stick your penis into,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's open on both ends, sometimes it's closed
Speaker 2: at the end. The reason the fleshlight is called that
Speaker 2: is because it is cleverly contained inside of like a
Speaker 2: fake flashlight container. But also to clarify, like fleshlight is
Speaker 2: kind of like saying Kleenex for tissue. A lot of
Speaker 2: people will just say flesh light when they mean something.
Speaker 2: It understood, okay.
Speaker 1: And then what I was thinking about when you were
Speaker 1: talking is I think that I've wondered can they go
Speaker 1: inside you too?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question because it's a complicated answer.
Speaker 2: It depends on the vibrator. For instances, this is not
Speaker 2: something you would want to insert simply because it wasn't
Speaker 2: designed to be inserted for starters, got it. But this
Speaker 2: is like like a hard plastic joint. When people see this,
Speaker 2: it's so long that they think, okay, this is insertable.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would. I mean, I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 2: recommend doing that, but it is not designed for that.
Speaker 2: Verses this which is completely silicone, so there's no interrupting parts.
Speaker 2: There's no like exposed screws or anything.
Speaker 1: Right, and something that's silicone for the crew is okay
Speaker 1: to put an insert inside yourself. It is safe.
Speaker 2: In general, silicone is one of the better materials to
Speaker 2: look for, along with like stainless steel and pyrex glass,
Speaker 2: which is obviously a very different type of material. But
Speaker 2: silicone is not all created.
Speaker 1: Equal, Okay, yes, tell us, Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's different manufacturing processes and the way silicon is cured
Speaker 2: or just like the quality of it can really change
Speaker 2: a lot of factors over all, though silicone, if it
Speaker 2: is genuinely indeed silicone, you're looking at a probably body
Speaker 2: safe product. The issue, and I mentioned this earlier when
Speaker 2: I was emailing back and forth with the production team,
Speaker 2: is that there's not really any regulations on sex toys
Speaker 2: in the United States.
Speaker 1: So we read this be where you came on and
Speaker 1: we were yeah, lord, yeah.
Speaker 2: I know. I don't want to like completely like, no,
Speaker 2: we want to talk the other side of it.
Speaker 1: But we want we want to inform the crew of
Speaker 1: all all the things and why your online sex toy
Speaker 1: store is a spectrum boutique is so incredible is because
Speaker 1: of all the amazing products that you have, because I
Speaker 1: read is this true that dog toys are currently held
Speaker 1: to a higher material safety standard than adult toys? Is
Speaker 1: that true?
Speaker 2: Yes? And that is because insane sex toys are kind
Speaker 2: of in this legal gray area of being novelties, where
Speaker 2: they are you'll see a dildo and it will say
Speaker 2: novelty not for intended for internal use, And a lot
Speaker 2: of that is just because there is so much taboo
Speaker 2: around sexuality and the subject matter of sex toys themselves,
Speaker 2: that the government has kind of like not really done
Speaker 2: anything to create regulations, which is good in the sense
Speaker 2: that we don't want there to be super strict, like
Speaker 2: sex negative rules that prohibit the things we are allowed
Speaker 2: to manufacture, because you know, as history goes a lot
Speaker 2: of times that is very misogynist or you know, not
Speaker 2: going to be considering they're not going to be consulting
Speaker 2: with sex educators when they're making this policy. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, you leave this big open can of
Speaker 2: worms where you can kind of put any material on
Speaker 2: the market, call it whatever you want. There's not really
Speaker 2: any repercussions for it, so you have to just kind
Speaker 2: of as a shop owner, my job is to work
Speaker 2: with brands where I have a direct line of communication
Speaker 2: with them. I can see the certificates on the electronics
Speaker 2: and the materials, and I can be like, cool, there's
Speaker 2: no lead in here, there's no thalatees in here. Just
Speaker 2: for a couple of the big things to look out for.
Speaker 3: Was that part of your motivation to start the store?
Speaker 2: You know, it came throughout the process of manufact during
Speaker 2: my own toys, because I realized that the tests you
Speaker 2: have to get done on an item that you manufacture
Speaker 2: are so expensive that a lot of people just don't
Speaker 2: want to do it. It's it really boils down to
Speaker 2: money and also just like a lack of information. But
Speaker 2: I think that it's important to not like fear monger.
Speaker 2: I think sex toys even okay, like even the safest
Speaker 2: car in the entire world, if you get into you
Speaker 2: can get injured. If it's if you get in an accident. Similarly,
Speaker 2: with sex toys, you can you know, injure yourself if
Speaker 2: you use anything incorrectly. But my job as a retailer
Speaker 2: is to make the best possible decisions for my customers.
Speaker 2: Only carry things I would want to be using, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as like quality levels go. The issue is
Speaker 2: that we need to be able to make informed decisions.
Speaker 2: Like when we're at the grocery store, we're like, ah,
Speaker 2: do I want to spend more money on the organic
Speaker 2: ra Berri's or just like the other ones? And that
Speaker 2: is the information that is lacking with sex toys. But
Speaker 2: that's really just like boils down to the taboo. Not
Speaker 2: to get too often to my right, my preachy mode
Speaker 2: on all that.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, what's your best seller? Like what is
Speaker 3: it do you? And are you selling primarily to men
Speaker 3: or women?
Speaker 2: I would say that my personal audience is, according to
Speaker 2: Google and Instagram women, millennial women. But we really have
Speaker 2: like customers from all walks of life. There's no like,
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as being too old for a
Speaker 2: sex toy, you know, But I think that there is
Speaker 2: such a double standard with the stereotypes of like who
Speaker 2: likes what? Like vibrators can be enjoyed by anybody, right, However,
Speaker 2: best sellers, I brought a few choice items up. I
Speaker 2: mean I already showed you the magic wand, but uh,
Speaker 2: this is another toy.
Speaker 3: For those listening to Magic Wand, which started as something
Speaker 3: you had to plug into the wall, but now is cordless.
Speaker 3: Would be an external like sort of starter point for
Speaker 3: your clitterists.
Speaker 1: It's a yes to buy weight on your clitteress.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: People also call them massagers. Yes, they're marketed as use
Speaker 2: them on your back, use them on your you know,
Speaker 2: your your neck, your foot.
Speaker 3: Like okay, yeah, if you come upon someone in their
Speaker 3: living room using a massage or on their neck, my
Speaker 3: guess is it was somewhere else before is on their neck?
Speaker 1: Okay, So wait, I'm interested in this shiny space.
Speaker 3: Yes, so now she's bringing out the shiny situation.
Speaker 1: Okay, that looks good. I would not necessarily know what
Speaker 1: to do with this.
Speaker 2: It's a more complicated one. But the reason I want
Speaker 2: to bring it out is because it is a best
Speaker 2: seller in the sense that it has been around for
Speaker 2: a really long time and it continues to be very
Speaker 2: steadily popular, especially for its price point. It's about one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten dollars, which you know for aduldo is
Speaker 2: a little pricey. So this is the stainless steel This
Speaker 2: is called the low wand hoop, but it is very
Speaker 2: similar to the original silhouette, which was the Enjoy Pure
Speaker 2: wand basically just like a C shape that's made out
Speaker 2: of stainless steel. So you can use either end. There's
Speaker 2: so many different ways to use it. Some people use
Speaker 2: it in like a rocking motion for like very intense
Speaker 2: g spot or prostate stimulation. Sometimes people kind of move
Speaker 2: it in and out and more of a tugging motion
Speaker 2: or swiveling motion. It's really pinpoint pressure inside your body,
Speaker 2: as opposed to a dildo that is just kind of
Speaker 2: like uniform straight shape throughout.
Speaker 1: Can I ask why it's made of metal? Why is
Speaker 1: it made of me stalinless steel? Because you can stainless?
Speaker 1: Is it because you can heat it and cool it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one reason people like it. It's also so
Speaker 2: different having a hard material inside your body, just like
Speaker 2: the resistance feels very different. But also like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's zero bend to this, and like silicone or you know,
Speaker 2: the human body obviously bends, So it's trying to mimic
Speaker 2: the like come hither motion, which is what it's generally
Speaker 2: called for. How you want to finger somebody if you're
Speaker 2: stimulating their G spot or prostate.
Speaker 3: For those who have a hard time with this, who
Speaker 3: are sort of like going, I feel stigmatized or I
Speaker 3: feel ashamed even even talking about this. Do you feel
Speaker 3: like you've had experience with people like that and what
Speaker 3: do you feel like has been like the aha moment
Speaker 3: for you in speaking to people like that to help
Speaker 3: them get comfortable with whatever they're going to ultimately be
Speaker 3: comfortable with, right, Like you have to always check in
Speaker 3: with yourself, but has there been you know, a way
Speaker 3: of connecting with people and going like, oh, there was
Speaker 3: this aha moment, this is how they got over that stigma,
Speaker 3: that shame totally.
Speaker 2: I think it really depends on the source of that
Speaker 2: and like what sets that off for that person individually.
Speaker 2: I'm going to kind of go back to something you
Speaker 2: said earlier to answer this, which is that there's so
Speaker 2: many aspects of sex that aren't literally sexual, and a
Speaker 2: lot of this has to do with sex education in school.
Speaker 2: Sex education doesn't have to be like the nuts and
Speaker 2: bolts and just the anatomy. Really like starting out at
Speaker 2: any age, you can talk about consent and boundaries and
Speaker 2: you don't have to give you know, uncle so and
Speaker 2: so a hug if you don't want to, or I'm
Speaker 2: not going to make you eat this food if you're
Speaker 2: not hungry right now, Like giving a child the autonomy
Speaker 2: to think for themselves and decide yes or no, so
Speaker 2: that they don't you know, feel like, oh well when
Speaker 2: I say no, it doesn't really matter because then you know,
Speaker 2: you start to internalize.
Speaker 3: That that's such an incredible point and so well put, yeah,
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that whether the aversion to talking
Speaker 2: about sex is about like shame based whether that be
Speaker 2: from messages we got when we were younger or negative
Speaker 2: experiences as an adult, there's there are also people who
Speaker 2: are asexual, and you know, perhaps they really want companionship
Speaker 2: but not the sexual stimulation portion. And there you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we all want some
Speaker 2: level of intimacy with other people and ourselves, but maybe
Speaker 2: that isn't physical, Maybe that's just emotional. You know, there's
Speaker 2: still much pleasure in companionship, and relationships aren't just romantic
Speaker 2: and sexual. There are platonic ones as well.
Speaker 3: So I'm hearing you say that if you're feeling like
Speaker 3: there's a stigma or there's a shame around how you're
Speaker 3: thinking about or talking about sex, that it would be
Speaker 3: a good thing to examine the root of it, where
Speaker 3: it came from, because a lot of times these things
Speaker 3: can happen when we're younger and we get older and
Speaker 3: we're meant to evolve, we're meant to change. So checking
Speaker 3: in with our younger selves and saying like, does this
Speaker 3: still hold true? Do I still feel this way? Is
Speaker 3: this still you know? Is the authority figure still the
Speaker 3: authority figure in my life? Who am I disappointing? Right by?
Speaker 3: Who am I disappointing my engaging in this conversation? Am
Speaker 3: I disappointing someone else? Or am I disappointing myself. These
Speaker 3: are all questions I think that are very valid to
Speaker 3: ask yourself as you're sort of starting to talk about
Speaker 3: sexuality in a very open way. I love this whole
Speaker 3: idea you were talking about selling mostly or a bulk
Speaker 3: of your clients were millennials. I love this whole sex positive.
Speaker 3: I mean, what would you call it? I mean, is
Speaker 3: it a movement? Is it a phrase? Is it a
Speaker 3: and what does it mean? Because I've heard a lot
Speaker 3: of other people that were older be like, well, isn't
Speaker 3: that just another word for like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, in circums annoying. Yeah, the annoying and
Speaker 3: negative thought that you're just like, you know, it's the slutshaming, right,
Speaker 3: it's the it's the it's the it's the there can't
Speaker 3: be anything good that comes of all this sex. So
Speaker 3: now there's this whole idea that there's a sex positivity.
Speaker 3: So so what do you how would you explain that?
Speaker 2: I think the definition has changed so much, especially in
Speaker 2: the last ten years, because it's become one of those
Speaker 2: buzzwords that gets used in so many different contexts that
Speaker 2: it kind of becomes just a super generalized term for me.
Speaker 2: I would define it as not having to be having
Speaker 2: It's not about having wild and crazy sex or kinky
Speaker 2: sex or anything like that. It is trying to foster
Speaker 2: a shame free approach to it or your lack thereof,
Speaker 2: and an open mindedness for the sex lives and needs
Speaker 2: of others, kind of excluding basically anything that isn't safe
Speaker 2: or consensual adults engaging in you know, consensual sex and
Speaker 2: and all that. You know, it's it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: even if it's not for you, if it's you know,
Speaker 2: positive for somebody, not to yuck their yum. I think
Speaker 2: that's one.
Speaker 1: Way of putting it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Mean you have to be down for every little sexual
Speaker 2: fad or like you have to have anal. Sex is
Speaker 2: a really big one. I hear where people think that
Speaker 2: being sex positive means you must force yourself to do
Speaker 2: every sex act or you must be non monogamous or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: I think that's such an important thing to just break
Speaker 3: for for a moment. Is that it is so important
Speaker 3: to consistently check in with yourself about what is right
Speaker 3: for you. There's a lot of noise. The constant checking
Speaker 3: in with yourself about what you're excited to do and
Speaker 3: what you're comfortable to do, and making sure that as
Speaker 3: much as it sounds nerdy in the throes of some
Speaker 3: fun stuff, to check in, I think it's important to
Speaker 3: check in.
Speaker 1: What I love about this conversation is I see it
Speaker 1: more as for me personally. In my journey, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what could make me orgasm. I felt lost myself.
Speaker 1: So when I had in the early days, when I
Speaker 1: had a partner, I didn't know what to tell them
Speaker 1: that I liked. And so I feel like buying a
Speaker 1: sex toy, having those solo missions by yourself is really
Speaker 1: just like self education, and I'm learning about my own body.
Speaker 1: Is I literally had no idea what would work to
Speaker 1: make me have an orgasm. I didn't know what speed,
Speaker 1: I didn't know where, I didn't know what I liked.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it's an exploration of finding
Speaker 1: out more about yourself. So going and buying a sex toy,
Speaker 1: taking it home, seeing what feels good, seeing what doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good. I feel like, then when you have your
Speaker 1: sexual partner, you're able to actually articulate what it is
Speaker 1: it's going to have you orgasm. And I hated the
Speaker 1: feeling of feeling lost. I was like, I guess that
Speaker 1: feels good. I don't know. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: where so many people can I just think it's a
Speaker 1: way for everyone to embrace this idea that it's no
Speaker 1: shame around it. It's really just education about your body too,
Speaker 1: like how do I work?
Speaker 3: Oh, I love every single thing you just said. I
Speaker 3: love everything you just said, and it's so, so, so true.
Speaker 3: And I think by the way, that kind of thinking
Speaker 3: sort of led to a lot of the like when
Speaker 3: Harry met Sally stuff right, like the the the partner thinking,
Speaker 3: you know, the other one had climaxed and it was
Speaker 3: all just completely like what the other partner thought they
Speaker 3: were supposed to do, but they didn't know how to do.
Speaker 3: And I think we're living in a time where the
Speaker 3: sex positivity piece is that you can not know and
Speaker 3: that can be okay, and you can say something and
Speaker 3: you can and you can and you can fix that problem.
Speaker 2: And it's a journey too. Even trying something and realizing
Speaker 2: you do not like it is part of figuring out
Speaker 2: and honing in what you do. Like, so I think
Speaker 2: that a lot of the apprehension is like what if
Speaker 2: I try this thing that works for everybody and it
Speaker 2: doesn't work for me. What does that say about me?
Speaker 2: There is no such thing as like a thing everybody
Speaker 2: likes and again figuring out like I really do not
Speaker 2: like you know, uh flicky flickering sensations or whatever. Great,
Speaker 2: you've just learned a huge piece of information that will
Speaker 2: event help you get to what you do.
Speaker 3: Like, So, in addition to the toys, do you have
Speaker 3: a conversation starters for people? I mean people who are
Speaker 3: experiencing this sort of like I don't know what to
Speaker 3: say or I don't know what to do, Like is
Speaker 3: there advice that you have for getting you're.
Speaker 1: Talking about people in a relationship Like yeah, okay, okay, okay, how.
Speaker 3: Do you approach the conversation of you you have a partner,
Speaker 3: you're really excited about all the things that are about
Speaker 3: to happen, you don't know how to talk about it
Speaker 3: or you're not yet sure like what you're operating instructions are,
Speaker 3: and like how do you how do you start that
Speaker 3: conversation in a way that doesn't feel I mean that
Speaker 3: you don't worry about it feeling clumsy.
Speaker 2: I also think it's like totally okay to be clumsy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I know exactly what you mean. Even couples who
Speaker 2: have been together forever and ever, these conversations are like
Speaker 2: constantly evolving and it's more of a journey than a
Speaker 2: one and done thing because the type of sex you
Speaker 2: might be wanting to have, you know, first thing in
Speaker 2: the morning on a tunes if that's your time frame
Speaker 2: versus you know a week later, you're going to be
Speaker 2: in a different mental space. You're not going to feel
Speaker 2: the exact same way you did that exact moment.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, by the way, that's why you need
Speaker 1: a partner that you really love. And you no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not that you really love necessarily, so you feel
Speaker 1: really comfortable with because communication, but all of these things
Speaker 1: are very vulnerable and intimate, right, And so we're talking
Speaker 1: about moments where you might say like I don't like that?
Speaker 1: Can you try this? And having that confidence to not
Speaker 1: know that your partners like right there with you is
Speaker 1: going to make your sex life so much better. And
Speaker 1: I feel like what I feel like happened you know,
Speaker 1: years ago, maybe still happening now. Is I feel like, also,
Speaker 1: there was this thing where as a woman you didn't
Speaker 1: want to bring a sex toy into sex because maybe
Speaker 1: you feel like the guy I was feeling like he
Speaker 1: wasn't doing something well enough, and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're bringing something, you know. I think it's really important
Speaker 1: to get rid of all of those feelings too, and
Speaker 1: know that because you want to bring something into sex
Speaker 1: to level up your sex life is not a comment
Speaker 1: or a judgment on your sex partner. They're not doing
Speaker 1: anything wrong. You're just adding more things in to make
Speaker 1: it delicious.
Speaker 2: I think a really good comparison is if you look
Speaker 2: at sex toys as tools. Almost everything in human life
Speaker 2: we have adapted to using tools. We eat with utensils
Speaker 2: or you know, chopsticks or a fork, but you can
Speaker 2: also eat with your hands. That's doable, obviously. And similarly,
Speaker 2: if you're building a house, nobody's going around being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well it's not a real it's not a real house
Speaker 2: because you use power tools. Like you didn't do it
Speaker 2: all by hand. You didn't stand it by hand. You've
Speaker 2: got to you know, you used to a sander, Like
Speaker 2: nobody sees other aspects of life as being compromised when
Speaker 2: we use a tool. So I think that viewing toys
Speaker 2: as a competitor can be shifted into being like this
Speaker 2: is a collaborative item. I am using with my partner.
Speaker 1: I love that so much.
Speaker 3: Oh, I just need some more tools from a toolbox.
Speaker 1: So we were sent ahead of this the plus one
Speaker 1: sex toy. It looks like this. I'm going to show
Speaker 1: you everyone in the box again, looks.
Speaker 3: Like this and when one end it up, I have
Speaker 3: one here as well.
Speaker 1: You have one here. Is very soft, it feels amazing, okay,
Speaker 1: and it comes with this situation too, so you need
Speaker 1: to charge it, okay. So tell us about this particular
Speaker 1: sex toy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a something I would loosely categorize as
Speaker 2: a vibrating bullet. The name comes from they used to
Speaker 2: make them out of hard plastic and like put a
Speaker 2: silvery finish on them, which is where it got its name.
Speaker 2: But it really is just a term that refers to
Speaker 2: any small or compact vibratory. And what's really great about
Speaker 2: small vibrators is that you can put them into, you know,
Speaker 2: smaller spaces, fit them between bodies more easily. A bullet
Speaker 2: is not insertable just because it's a little too short
Speaker 2: and definitely not like butt safe. But there's also like
Speaker 2: toys that have a hollow hole inside of them, like
Speaker 2: a dildo or a plug. They'll have like a little
Speaker 2: hollow base where you can stick the vibrator inside to
Speaker 2: make another toy vibrate. A lot of cock rings also
Speaker 2: work that way. You like slip it through or in harnesses.
Speaker 2: If you're having like a strap on sex and using
Speaker 2: a harness and a dildo, a lot of people like
Speaker 2: to put vibrators into the harness so that the person
Speaker 2: wearing it can feel the vibration.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you could. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: there were sex toys that were made to have other
Speaker 1: sex toys added.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're very interactive, and like same with the
Speaker 2: wands too. There's like all these attachments you can flop
Speaker 2: on top that do make them insertable.
Speaker 1: This particular sex toy is especially safe in as.
Speaker 2: Much as a sex toy can be.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I mean, like the materials it's made of
Speaker 1: and things like that that way.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm familiar with the brand and the people who
Speaker 2: make it, and they are pretty well known as a manufacturer,
Speaker 2: So yes, I definitely think that it's like a solid brand.
Speaker 1: Before we dive into questions, I saw something in our
Speaker 1: pre notes that had me fall on the floor and
Speaker 1: that was Is it true? Please tell me it's not true.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that we made a mistake. If you order
Speaker 1: a toy from Amazon, there is potential that that toy
Speaker 1: is a returned toy that you're now getting.
Speaker 2: I don't work at Amazon, so I can't tell you
Speaker 2: exactly what their methodology is. But in general, I run
Speaker 2: into this issue as a story that does not accept
Speaker 2: returns or exchanges because otherwise it would compromise the health
Speaker 2: and safety of my customers. So obviously, if something is
Speaker 2: defective or broken, or there's some type of issue with it,
Speaker 2: that is a very different story.
Speaker 3: But basically, if you're buying sex Whys from a place
Speaker 3: that accepts refunds.
Speaker 1: Or returns, we're not sure that we're not guaranteed on
Speaker 1: what we're getting.
Speaker 3: They could be recirculated.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we're all going to Spectrum boutique. No one,
Speaker 1: Everyone log off of Amazon right now, take it out
Speaker 1: of your cart, and go to Spectrum.
Speaker 2: I really don't mean to fear monger Win saying that,
Speaker 2: because there are so many legit awesome brands that have
Speaker 2: like their storefront on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Okay, we just need to do our research.
Speaker 2: It's just like how a lot of lingerie is not returnable.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I'm just saying. It's just something that
Speaker 1: never crossed my mind. So like, if you're doing just
Speaker 1: your research, I would not have looked yet. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even thought about having to look and research that. I think.
Speaker 1: I think just reading that possibility was so shocking to me.
Speaker 1: We have questions from the crew. They wrote in specifically
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, so Sarah said, I would like to
Speaker 1: know what are the best moves to be doing being
Speaker 1: a girl, so that doesn't feel like my boyfriend is
Speaker 1: doing all of the work. I feel like I don't
Speaker 1: know how to move right and I don't want it
Speaker 1: to always be him doing the work. I would like
Speaker 1: to be better help. What do you advise for this?
Speaker 1: What are some moves?
Speaker 3: Yeah, girl needs some moves.
Speaker 2: I definitely don't have like the special magic bullet answer.
Speaker 2: I think that a very boring answer is ask your partner.
Speaker 2: I think that if you want really specific like moves
Speaker 2: and stuff, I think that's also again where I don't
Speaker 2: want to say that porn is like an education for that.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say porn because I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: this question. I would like to know, like if if
Speaker 3: Sarah would like to if Sarah would like Sarah's a
Speaker 3: visual learner and Sarah wants to get some help, is
Speaker 3: there a place to go to for a well lit
Speaker 3: some storyline to action value Jessica to I what production
Speaker 3: value high production value porn? For Sarah. I want her
Speaker 3: to be able to look at it and not and
Speaker 3: also like not judge herself for looking at it and
Speaker 3: be like I'm imagining that, Sarah, maybe you wouldn't. But
Speaker 3: then where she can go where it's like, Okay, that's
Speaker 3: a creative move that I can have, right, because she's
Speaker 3: saying I don't know what to do and he's doing
Speaker 3: all the work.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I do clarify though, that
Speaker 2: so much of porn is stuff that is just done
Speaker 2: for camera. So there's a huge difference between watching like
Speaker 2: a studio production where there is a whole set and
Speaker 2: it's you know, versus is watching like an independent creator
Speaker 2: who's like on a webcam, who is like maybe doing
Speaker 2: things with their partner. Like this category is often referred
Speaker 2: to as like amateur, but there's a huge difference between
Speaker 2: like Ah there's a couple on webcam versus like there's
Speaker 2: all this studio set and set up. So I don't
Speaker 2: want everyone thinking like, ah, whatever you see in porn,
Speaker 2: go do it, it's gonna feel great. So much of
Speaker 2: sex is like in the brain, and like the brain
Speaker 2: is the biggest sexual organ in that way. So like
Speaker 2: also tying in the dirty talk and like for play,
Speaker 2: it's all kind of like building up this pressure cooker
Speaker 2: in your brain of like the fantasy component or lack
Speaker 2: thereof getting excited and anticipating what's going to happen later
Speaker 2: in the day.
Speaker 1: Technically, I mean like girl on top. Those are some mooves.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're doing you're doing some moves. If
Speaker 1: you sit on top of a guy reverse cow girl,
Speaker 1: you're on top, you're facing the other way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's benefits of being on top because you're because
Speaker 2: you're able to control your bodily movement a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, I really want to get to another one.
Speaker 3: So this one is anonymous. Is it normal to feel
Speaker 3: shame after masturbation? I get a wave of sadness and shame.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, as it's something I'm not shy
Speaker 3: to talk about. And it is a healthy part of life,
Speaker 3: but for some reason I feel disgusted when it's me.
Speaker 1: Just the phrase that you always say, like, we got
Speaker 1: to get curious. I know, you got to get curious
Speaker 1: with yourself right in a situation like this and ask.
Speaker 3: Yourself why yeah, which goes back to what I think
Speaker 3: you were saying earlier Zoe about you know, where in
Speaker 3: your development was that idea introduced?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 3: And where who in the story of your life said?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Storations disgusting, because likely someone said it, and I think
Speaker 3: that that would be a good place to start.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think a lot of questions are kind of
Speaker 2: hinging on is this normal or not? And this is
Speaker 2: a perfect example of a question like that. There is
Speaker 2: no such thing as normal, so it is. I think,
Speaker 2: like maybe the question is also like is this a
Speaker 2: thing that other people experience? Because if you know it's normal,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with your feelings and how you feel.
Speaker 2: Shame is like a natural emotion we all feel, but
Speaker 2: having it towards pleasure can be really confusing and contradictory.
Speaker 2: And obviously if you want to change that, and it
Speaker 2: sounds like you might want to if you're asking this question,
Speaker 2: I think that there's like so many diff different ways
Speaker 2: you can have intimacy with yourself that again is not
Speaker 2: directly sexual and can and can get there. For some
Speaker 2: people that means like just doing external stimulation and building
Speaker 2: up comfort with that. But I guess what I really
Speaker 2: want to make sure is said, though, is that like
Speaker 2: it's normal in the sense that like there is nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with you for feeling that way. Does everybody feel
Speaker 2: that way? No, A lot of people definitely feel that
Speaker 2: way because that is societally the message we all kind
Speaker 2: of receive.
Speaker 3: But if you if you don't want to feel that way,
Speaker 3: there is a path forward. And if you don't want
Speaker 3: to feel the solutle to yourself, there is a path forward,
Speaker 3: and I think that you will find it again. I
Speaker 3: think that they're getting curious and talking to people around you.
Speaker 3: I think there's real safety and numbers about this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. Right, Like you, when you see someone else
Speaker 3: having a similar experience, or when someone's talking about it
Speaker 3: and they have no shame, that might be a little contagious,
Speaker 3: right You might think, Oh, that's that they don't have
Speaker 3: any shame, So maybe I don't have any shame, Okay,
Speaker 3: I just want to get to this very last one,
Speaker 3: and then I want to thank you so much for
Speaker 3: your time. My sister Sasha was the one who brought
Speaker 3: you to us, and I'm so grateful to her. She knows,
Speaker 3: she knows all of it. Okay. The last question is
Speaker 3: from anonymous again, is it healthy for me to be
Speaker 3: so noisy during sex and my boyfriend not to be
Speaker 3: until he actually reaches climax? Also, why can't I climax
Speaker 3: with actual sex inside of me? I feel like so
Speaker 3: many people want to know this. I feel like I
Speaker 3: hear the answer, but you go.
Speaker 2: For it totally, you know us. Okay, So the first
Speaker 2: part of that question, there's absolutely nothing wrong actually with
Speaker 2: a lot of things where people are like, I do
Speaker 2: this differently from my partner. It would honestly be like
Speaker 2: more unusual for you to be the have the exact
Speaker 2: same libido as your partner to make the exact same
Speaker 2: amount of noise. So there's always going to be differences
Speaker 2: in how we express how we feel. So no, I mean,
Speaker 2: unless you're like, oh, I want to be more respectful
Speaker 2: of the neighbors. I mean, but I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: And then she's asking why she can't climax with actual
Speaker 3: sex inside of her.
Speaker 2: I think that going back to the lack of awareness
Speaker 2: we have about the clit, the clit is the external
Speaker 2: clitteral stimulation is required for the vast majority of people
Speaker 2: to have an orgasm. So if there's no clitteral stimulation,
Speaker 2: if you if you can have an orgasm without direct
Speaker 2: external clitteral stimulation, you are actually statistically on like that
Speaker 2: is just less so a thing. I can put that
Speaker 2: in a you can put that more succinctly.
Speaker 3: You are in the minority if you are climaxing during exactly.
Speaker 2: Thank you for putting that so eloquently. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize that the clit is
Speaker 2: also an internal organ and the external part that we
Speaker 2: see is just like the tip of the iceberg, so
Speaker 2: much of it goes inside and between the vaginal canal
Speaker 2: and the belly side essentially is like the whole body
Speaker 2: of the clitterists. So you are stimulating the glitterists from
Speaker 2: inside when you are having penetrative sex. And that's not
Speaker 2: to say that there aren't other pleasurable spots within the
Speaker 2: vagina that feel really good, but if you are not
Speaker 2: giving direct contact to the clit that is most of
Speaker 2: the time. The culprit for having a hard time achieving
Speaker 2: orgasm is that what that silver.
Speaker 3: Situation would be getting too more first, Oh the g spot, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I had a feeling, yes, purpose, yeah, I think popularity
Speaker 3: could be explained definitely. Oh my gosh, there's going to
Speaker 3: be a part two for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a part for I.
Speaker 2: Would love to take it the beginning.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We have so
Speaker 1: many morequestions from the crew. We have to get to
Speaker 1: next time, and please come back.
Speaker 2: It would be my pleasure. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: the wonderful questions. I think that these are all really
Speaker 2: great and honest and vulnerable questions, and I appreciate you
Speaker 2: coming letting me come shut a little bit of lad.
Speaker 3: Yes, and now and now that we you know, obviously
Speaker 3: you have your spectrum boutique. Imagine you have an Instagram handle.
Speaker 2: Yes, my personal account is thong Ria like the underwear
Speaker 2: uh th h O N G R I A. Or
Speaker 2: you can just google my name Zoe Ligan. But it's
Speaker 2: it's a lot of a lot of sex toys. Obviously
Speaker 2: you'll be prepared if you if you search me fantastic.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you so much, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Continue to send
Speaker 1: us in your questions, your queries, because we will have
Speaker 1: her back on. This is going to be a continuing thing.
Speaker 1: We're learning with you guys too, as you can tell.
Speaker 1: And Jessica, you want to call it.
Speaker 3: Let's call this the end of the beginning of lots
Speaker 3: more episodes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like that.