Speaker 1: R and B Money.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 3: Thanks take vologized.
Speaker 1: We are the authorities, R.
Speaker 4: And B Ladies and General Jay Valentine and this is
Speaker 4: the R and B Money Podcast in today. You know
Speaker 4: what they say, black people can't swim, but I know
Speaker 4: they can as I can. And somebody writes about swimming
Speaker 4: and she's black. So are you hooligans act normal today?
Speaker 1: Okay, not.
Speaker 4: From Florida, and you know how South Florida get out
Speaker 4: without further ado, I'm going to introduce you to someone
Speaker 4: that is very special. Today we are We're gonna do
Speaker 4: something a little different. We're gonna go behind veil and
Speaker 4: introduce you to an amazing singer songwriter, rapper Doug.
Speaker 1: And the mosquitoes be chasing her down.
Speaker 5: It's a hell of a intro.
Speaker 1: He you, thank you, thank you. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you talk about black people know how to
Speaker 2: so I can write about swimming, but I can't swim.
Speaker 1: So no.
Speaker 5: Jamaican girl from South Florida they can't swim?
Speaker 1: What's new? It's whole time you Dine wrote this huge record.
Speaker 2: Hey man, Babyface said seventy percent of the songs he
Speaker 2: wrote had nothing to do with his life.
Speaker 5: I'm just studying the greats and being greater.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to learn how to swim. That record
Speaker 1: is too massive, It's true, too massive.
Speaker 4: And for my extra black audience who don't know what
Speaker 4: we're talking about this yet, we talked about from the
Speaker 4: biggest records in the world, Craig in the world, bts
Speaker 4: as your kids, your kids know, all the kids know.
Speaker 4: Swim is massive and this young lady can't swim. But
Speaker 4: we you know what, We're gonna get to that. We're
Speaker 4: gonna get to that. How are you doing today. I'm good,
Speaker 4: you look amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: This is this is like I said in the intro,
Speaker 4: this is really important because the reason we started this
Speaker 4: show was to shine light on all facets of the
Speaker 4: music business and the entertainment industry. And obviously, yes, our
Speaker 4: show is called R and B Money, so everybody thinks
Speaker 4: it always has to be RB R.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's.
Speaker 4: The name of our company, and that's really why we named.
Speaker 1: Show R and B Money. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But people like yourself are so important, you know, just
Speaker 4: to our industry and the reason why our industry is
Speaker 4: doing so well.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Everybody be trying to lie talking about a
Speaker 1: no money in the music business. Damn lie that ship somewhere,
Speaker 1: it's somewhere.
Speaker 4: We just gotta find We just gotta find it, right, So,
Speaker 4: so thank you, Thank you, first, first, and foremost.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And I know you.
Speaker 4: You know you're moving into a new space. You're gonna
Speaker 4: move into this artist space. We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 4: But let's start in South Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little chic, little she, little little Chrissy.
Speaker 4: Give me some you know, give me, give me, give
Speaker 4: me some of the journey. How does how did this
Speaker 4: whole thing kick off for you? As far as you
Speaker 4: just wanting to be this entertainer and being this music business?
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: I so, I've just always been a writer, Okay. I
Speaker 2: won my first writing contest when I was like seven seven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who decided to enter you? Or did you enter yourself?
Speaker 2: I had a teacher I wrote it was like a
Speaker 2: short story contest. I wrote a story about like this
Speaker 2: bear that sold some honey from some bees and they
Speaker 2: called him and put him on trial and found him guilty.
Speaker 1: So you was growing up and the trap is you listen.
Speaker 4: So Sugar Bear himself was slang in that you feel me,
Speaker 4: it was, you know, and he went.
Speaker 2: To jail, okay, and he went to jail. And so
Speaker 2: I just always been a writer. I just was always.
Speaker 2: I'm an aquary. So I'm really just like you like
Speaker 2: an aquarius, that that's an aquarius.
Speaker 5: But I'm the water bearer, not a water sign.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, I don't know about it,
Speaker 4: but let you talk.
Speaker 2: So I just I was always a writer. And I'm
Speaker 2: the baby of eight. So I have six older sisters
Speaker 2: and an older brother, and everybody had different musical tastes.
Speaker 2: So I was just kind of like running around the
Speaker 2: house and you know, one room would be playing Outcast
Speaker 2: and one room is playing you know, more East Coast
Speaker 2: hip hop, and one room is playing like you know whatever,
Speaker 2: older motown or this and that that they liked. And
Speaker 2: my mom she really loved like Barris Hammon and like
Speaker 2: Elton John and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So then I would get some of that.
Speaker 2: So I was just a sponge, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: just like soaking things up. And then I would just
Speaker 2: like try to like write songs. And I just vividly
Speaker 2: remember like listening to certain artists and like trying to
Speaker 2: mimic them, like just you know.
Speaker 1: So that was the radio, was your teacher? Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely the radio.
Speaker 2: And and just like albums, Like my sisters they were
Speaker 2: obsessed with albums. Excuse me, they were obsessed with albums.
Speaker 2: So they would always be like listening to the music
Speaker 2: and stuff, and I would just be there, like listen,
Speaker 2: and the stuff they were listening to, I'd get my
Speaker 2: ass will if I was listen to it by myself, so,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're at school, I'm like, oh, just
Speaker 2: go sneaking their home real quick, and you know, and
Speaker 2: like listen and and then I think I just kind
Speaker 2: of like the funny thing about me when I listened
Speaker 2: to music, I never listened to music for the technicality.
Speaker 5: I always listened for the feeling.
Speaker 2: So I noticed I noticed very early on that I
Speaker 2: was trying to mimic feeling. So like whether it was
Speaker 2: the aggression in the delivery or like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, just the pain or the yearning or the
Speaker 2: happiness or the joy or the whatever it was. I
Speaker 2: realized that I was more trying to mimic that than
Speaker 2: anything else, not really like the technical things, the technical
Speaker 2: things for me just kind of came along with it.
Speaker 2: But I noticed that and this is just for me
Speaker 2: that I was more fascinated by how things made people
Speaker 2: feel or made me feel, and I tried to imitate that.
Speaker 1: So how was your first song? Do you remember it? Yes?
Speaker 2: I was twelve and I wrote it in science class
Speaker 2: Missus Bullard, and she damn sure, I took my paper,
Speaker 2: and I know, I said, I'm crazy to that lady.
Speaker 1: Oh he's beef al what her about to absolutely bitch?
Speaker 5: Give me my paper.
Speaker 1: Oh I ain't say bitch, but that's how you felt.
Speaker 5: That's how I felt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, don't be reading my shit? So did she
Speaker 1: read it to the class?
Speaker 2: So she just no, she just took it, OK, she
Speaker 2: just took it. And like, so what was this song about?
Speaker 2: It was just I don't even remember, like I remember
Speaker 2: the song, but like the subject matter was like it's
Speaker 2: probably just me like trying to like be you know, saucy,
Speaker 2: just like trying to like flex or some crap or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I didn't nobody really knew that I could write
Speaker 2: or sing or rap or anything till I was like seventeen.
Speaker 1: Oh, so five year span I was owning.
Speaker 2: That little craft by myself, like I just and I
Speaker 2: would just write books and books and books and songs.
Speaker 2: And then I used to spend all excuse me, I
Speaker 2: used to spend all my summers in Jamaica. So I
Speaker 2: would go to Jamaica and telling my cousins like there
Speaker 2: was like songs that wanted radio popular songs or whatever.
Speaker 5: And I'd be telling my cousins like.
Speaker 1: You wrote it.
Speaker 2: You notice my song? Oh my god, like hell yeah,
Speaker 2: be performing it and everything. You had to see me
Speaker 2: one crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote you should let me love you absolutely what.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean they don't, yeah, because I'm right that, yes
Speaker 2: she did.
Speaker 5: It was a time, okay, line my ass off on
Speaker 5: summer vacation was.
Speaker 4: Literally going on vacation to your family house telling them
Speaker 4: you wrote all these and how are you this point sixteen?
Speaker 2: Oh no, this was way before that. I was probably
Speaker 2: like eleven. Oh shit, like yeah.
Speaker 1: This is a thing.
Speaker 2: I was like again, and I was telling my cousins like, yeah,
Speaker 2: these are my songs. I mean they're like eight and nine.
Speaker 2: So like just over there, line my ass off.
Speaker 1: But you know you're speaking into existence.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what we're gonna call it now, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, that's what.
Speaker 5: We call it now.
Speaker 2: But so that was just a lot of I guess
Speaker 2: early artists development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 2: I never took I really wasn't taking music serious. Like
Speaker 2: I did everything but music.
Speaker 1: So I was what are the other things you were doing?
Speaker 5: You were who sent you?
Speaker 1: Oh hang out?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm joking, no, but I did, like.
Speaker 1: Florida City Girl herself is here.
Speaker 2: Look man, listen, we don't judge, but no, I mean,
Speaker 2: like at least you honestly. But you know, like when
Speaker 2: I was in high school, I duel enroll college and
Speaker 2: high school and I got like a degree in child
Speaker 2: development while I was getting my high school diploma. And
Speaker 2: then so I did work as like a teacher for
Speaker 2: like a short period and then I would just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to like dip in music and dip out
Speaker 2: and then I would like do music on the artist's
Speaker 2: side and then just stop.
Speaker 5: And then at one point.
Speaker 2: I had quit music for probably about like five years years.
Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing like like before that. I was
Speaker 2: like really like going crazy on my artist stuff, and
Speaker 2: I was like performing overseas and doing all the things.
Speaker 2: And then I just got fed up and I just stopped.
Speaker 1: Oh so you had motion with it and everything.
Speaker 2: And I just quit because I was just fed up.
Speaker 2: Why I think I had gotten to a place where
Speaker 2: I had carried myself as far as I could go.
Speaker 2: And one thing about us as artists, we will dey
Speaker 2: ourselves to death, like that whole shit about Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: like I did all this shit. That shit is not
Speaker 2: a flex Like I don't believe in burnout culture. I
Speaker 2: don't believe. I mean, I believe I'm a hard worker,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but for me, it's like I'm you.
Speaker 2: You can you can work yourself to a point where
Speaker 2: you're just busy and not productive.
Speaker 1: It's the hamster wheel.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I had kind of gotten to
Speaker 2: that place where I was just doing shit. And it's
Speaker 2: not that it wasn't it. It's not that things weren't
Speaker 2: like moving, because they were. But it's like as things
Speaker 2: are growing, it's like things are growing, but my teethes
Speaker 2: isn't growing because I'm still trying to balance everything on
Speaker 2: my own and I didn't know how to ask for help.
Speaker 2: And the people that the people that I would ask
Speaker 2: for help, it was like they can't help you, you know,
Speaker 2: so I just got annoyed and was like, fuck this shit,
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 4: And at this point, purely artists. You're not writing for
Speaker 4: other people.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 1: Wait, but you told your people you were.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, I did it.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, see that right there, that's me
Speaker 2: just lying at like age eleven.
Speaker 1: But real shit that I did. I did it.
Speaker 2: Songwriting was an occupation. I didn't know that I fell
Speaker 2: into songwriting. I didn't actively pursue songwriting.
Speaker 1: So South Florida really is its own world.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Huh.
Speaker 4: You did not know that that was occupation, This is
Speaker 4: something you could do with your life.
Speaker 2: No, I thought that you had to. I thought the
Speaker 2: artist was everything right. I didn't know that, Like there's
Speaker 2: a room of people, and I didn't, and hence why
Speaker 2: I ended up getting burnt out. I didn't understand the
Speaker 2: collaborative process. I didn't understand that things take a team.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand that.
Speaker 1: Did you not know anyone who had ever been in
Speaker 1: a music business at this point?
Speaker 5: No, I don't come from a background of music.
Speaker 2: I come from a background of hustlers and hard workers,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm Jamaican, you know, they about us
Speaker 2: were gonna have five jobs minutes. I can, That's what
Speaker 2: I But you know, so I come from hard workers,
Speaker 2: but I don't come from like this musical background.
Speaker 5: I'm the first in my family.
Speaker 1: How did your family take to that?
Speaker 5: I have the most supportive family on this planet. My
Speaker 5: family is fucking incredible.
Speaker 2: My mother is If I tell my mama, I'm jumping
Speaker 2: off a bridge, she gonna be like, well, it looked
Speaker 2: kind of high, but metrust you.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be like, where should I be? Stand over there?
Speaker 1: You want me to film it? Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my family puts like I I've only been able
Speaker 2: to operate at the capacity that I have because my
Speaker 2: family is so supportive.
Speaker 4: It's just something to that. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I get it. I get it all right.
Speaker 1: So you quit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I ain't gonna ask you what you've done with
Speaker 4: you know, the things that you were doing after you quit,
Speaker 4: because I don't.
Speaker 1: Have no wire.
Speaker 4: I'm not wearing one, and I don't want, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be put in that box. So
Speaker 4: when you come back from uh, what is it that sabbatical?
Speaker 1: Is that what we'll call with that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, from your sabbatical and you come back into the
Speaker 4: not even the music industry at this point, because you
Speaker 4: don't feel like you're in the music industry, you're just
Speaker 4: doing music.
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't even come back.
Speaker 1: I got dragged, you know what.
Speaker 4: That's what happens with talented people. At times. We identify
Speaker 4: them and say, hey, you need to be over here.
Speaker 5: Well that's all.
Speaker 2: So what happens when you think that you're going to
Speaker 2: control a destiny that was written before you were even
Speaker 2: a thought.
Speaker 5: And that's what that space, that time in my life
Speaker 5: taught me.
Speaker 2: I was I went to Atlanta, a place that at
Speaker 2: first I was like, I'm never going to Atlanta. I
Speaker 2: had nothing against Atlanta. I just was so South Florida,
Speaker 2: like I'm not going there, you know. And I ended
Speaker 2: up going to Atlanta to visit, and I was like,
Speaker 2: who do I know here?
Speaker 5: And here's a producer named Needles.
Speaker 1: My brother, my brother, great.
Speaker 2: Person, amazing, It's somebody that I I could do a
Speaker 2: whole podcast on just how amazing he is. But I
Speaker 2: called him and I was just like, Hey, I'm in
Speaker 2: Atlanta visiting, and he was like, come to my studio
Speaker 2: and I was like okay. So I pull up on
Speaker 2: him and He was like, where the fuck you Ben?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I've been in a trap doing
Speaker 2: bullshit bullshit like and he's like, so you not. He
Speaker 2: was like you had all this motion, like I was
Speaker 2: excited and then you just disappeared. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm tired, and he was like absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Were you going by sheic then too? Or no?
Speaker 2: I was always yeah, it was always yep, okay. But
Speaker 2: I was just like I'm tired, and he was like, nah,
Speaker 2: we're not doing that. He was like, go to Florida,
Speaker 2: pack your ship and get back to Atlanta now. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: And I was like, what do I have to lose?
Speaker 5: Nothing? So I went to Miami and packed my shit
Speaker 5: and moved to Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so now you're in Atlanta. Cause I thought
Speaker 4: she's gonna be like, oh, I don't know how that
Speaker 4: you went. You took it. You said that I'm coming,
Speaker 4: Let me ta take this opportunity.
Speaker 5: I don't got no kids yet, no husband yet. There's
Speaker 5: no reason, you know what I mean. When you don't have.
Speaker 2: Certain things, it's like it ain't if you have an excuse,
Speaker 2: that's that's self made, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: for me, it was like, what, what's the real excuse?
Speaker 2: There is none, you know what I mean. So just
Speaker 2: do what the man said, go pack your ship and
Speaker 2: get back here when.
Speaker 1: You come back to Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Now, when you go pack your shit, the intention is
Speaker 4: to be an artist or to be a writer. Now
Speaker 4: now just Bill still artists, still hyperfocused because needles.
Speaker 2: For him, it was like I saw you perform overseas.
Speaker 2: I saw you do all these things, so I know
Speaker 2: what you're capable of, so we need to hone in
Speaker 2: on that. So I'm like, all right, cool, So we're
Speaker 2: doing that. And in the midst of us, excuse me,
Speaker 2: in the midst of us doing all of that, he
Speaker 2: would play the music for people and they'd be like,
Speaker 2: who's writing for her? And that was the first time
Speaker 2: I had ever heard that question, because I had heard,
Speaker 2: like there would be guys that would say little things
Speaker 2: sometimes like they'd be like, yo, whoever's writing for her
Speaker 2: is sick? And I'd be like, like, what is it like?
Speaker 2: But somebody actually asking me like who's writing this?
Speaker 5: And I was, honestly, I was I wasn't even offended.
Speaker 2: I was confused. I was just like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like I'm writing it? And then it would be like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: can I get you over here to write the past?
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So I started doing that and in the first year
Speaker 2: that I was open to it, there were three three
Speaker 2: big fish okay, and with the people at the time
Speaker 2: who it was, they were massive artists. But the albums
Speaker 2: they they cut my records. But the albums never came.
Speaker 1: Out for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: But what it let me know was that I was
Speaker 2: onto something. I wasn't even upset about the album's not
Speaker 2: coming out. I was just like, oh, it was a
Speaker 2: a proof of concept for me. It was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: all right, like I can, I can do this right.
Speaker 2: So that's when I was like, all right, let me
Speaker 2: just take it a little more serious. And then COVID hit.
Speaker 1: So when COVID hit, do you go back to Florida?
Speaker 2: No, I was still in Atlanta because baby Atlanta was open.
Speaker 1: Florida. I thought I thought Florida was over. I like Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I think it was still smoking hookahs, hook in each
Speaker 1: other's face, ship babe. Atlanta had to be there. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't want you. I wanted no parts. I wanted
Speaker 1: no parts.
Speaker 2: Atlanta was a crazy time. Atlanta COVID and Atlanta was unmatched.
Speaker 4: Unmatched, Yeah, because I'm sure there was some ships and
Speaker 4: PPPs and all of yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the people, the people were outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it was out and the money was floyd
Speaker 1: and the money was and the money was floored.
Speaker 5: Times would be a had listen.
Speaker 2: So during that time, I mean, I stayed in Atlanta
Speaker 2: and I was kind of in a limbo.
Speaker 5: I didn't really know like what to do.
Speaker 2: I was just still like working on artists stuff and
Speaker 2: you know, but no one was really doing sessions and
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then there were like
Speaker 2: the Zoom sessions, but I personally am not a fan
Speaker 2: of those kind of sessions. I feel like they're not
Speaker 2: really this was something about person to person, like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like the Zoom sessions for me
Speaker 2: were just like eh, So I didn't really know like
Speaker 2: what was happening. And then a good friend of mine,
Speaker 2: Chris Patterson that's my dog, shout out to him. He
Speaker 2: hit me one day and was like, yo, this is
Speaker 2: probably I want to say. We were like mids like
Speaker 2: not at like the beginning of COVID. I wanted this
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty one ish, excuse me, and He's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: do you want to go to LA and do some
Speaker 2: stuff for Insecure the show? And I was like okay,
Speaker 2: like I'll do it. But he was like the only
Speaker 2: thing though, is that, like you got to be vaccinated.
Speaker 2: And I was like shit because I didn't get the vaccination.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, yo, what fuck it? Because
Speaker 2: at that time, you know, they were making us feel
Speaker 2: like COVID was like over here forever. So I was like, well,
Speaker 2: it's either gonna be I'm never gonna work in this
Speaker 2: town again, or you know, I'm gonna go get this
Speaker 2: little vaccine.
Speaker 5: So I was just like fucking let me just go
Speaker 5: get this out. I went and got it.
Speaker 2: And then and I went to a camp that Issa's
Speaker 2: company radio ad for Insecure was for season five. And
Speaker 2: as I was there, I was like talking to this
Speaker 2: guy and you know, I'm just I'm just talking.
Speaker 5: We just talking about food and whatever else.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, cause you know, I'm from South
Speaker 2: Florida and you know, I'm like Jamaican and you know
Speaker 2: I love Haitian food and I love this and that.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, I'm patient. I'm like, oh cool, We're
Speaker 5: just talking.
Speaker 2: So then I get a call like an hour later
Speaker 2: and was like, hey, you were just talking to a
Speaker 2: guy named Phelipe And I was like yeah, and they
Speaker 2: were like yeah, Philip is like the head of music
Speaker 2: supervision for her company. They got a new show coming
Speaker 2: out called rap Shit and you must have told him
Speaker 2: you were from Miami and he really wants you to
Speaker 2: be a part of oh Shit.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, just being willing to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody.
Speaker 2: Just being willing to talk, and just being like not
Speaker 2: being an asshole, like just being respectful, just like having
Speaker 2: an identity that exists outside of what you do for
Speaker 2: a living, because that's another thing, like some people don't
Speaker 2: even know how to hold a conversation outside of their
Speaker 2: job or their acay vasion. Yeah, and and so I
Speaker 2: was like okay, cool, and I stayed behind and we
Speaker 2: started on Rap Shit Season one, and so I worked
Speaker 2: on I was like the main pen behind the character Mia.
Speaker 1: So these are your in the sense your first placements.
Speaker 2: Yes, My very very very very very first placement was
Speaker 2: the Georgia Lottery. I wrote a jingle for the Georgia Lottery.
Speaker 2: That's a fun fact. But after that, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we think we ain't gonna. We
Speaker 1: ain't just gonna over there.
Speaker 2: You was writing jingles, I was writing jingles. You gotta
Speaker 2: start somewhere, man, can you sing the jingle?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 2: No, come on, I got it here? Did you at
Speaker 2: least tell me what what was you saying? They had
Speaker 2: a character named Aunt Edith. She was like this ninety
Speaker 2: year old lady that hit the jackpot and was going crazy.
Speaker 2: She was buying like pink poodles, diamonds like I had
Speaker 2: her out here, stunting like she was flexing. It was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, out with my ladies, manni's and petties.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: Edith made it walking around pinch there, walking around, jet
Speaker 2: sitting pete poodle, diamond wearing like she was really doing this.
Speaker 5: She was performing into everything.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait what she was? I got there's a real character.
Speaker 5: Yes, she was an actress.
Speaker 1: Who went and started performing.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I had to vocal producer. I was vocal
Speaker 2: producing this eighty that. She was like eighty five years old.
Speaker 2: Somewhere around there, I think, man, shout out to Edith
Speaker 2: was going crazy. She was performing this shit got the
Speaker 2: Hawks games only Atlanta, only Atlanta, only Atlanta, only Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know it is. The show is called
Speaker 1: on RB money. What did they pay you for Georgia
Speaker 1: Lottery jingle? Do you remember? I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a lot of money though, But at that
Speaker 2: point I think for me, it wasn't even about the money.
Speaker 2: It was like, look, I am a firm believer in
Speaker 2: you have to earn your no. Okay, I live by that.
Speaker 2: You have to earn your no when you are trying
Speaker 2: to get somewhere. You better if somebody say I need
Speaker 2: I need you to write a song out of a
Speaker 2: squeaky chair, you better do that shit. You at least
Speaker 2: try listen, do everything at least once, as long as
Speaker 2: it's not you know, putting you in a compromising position
Speaker 2: with your integrities. You're more's whatever you're saying for. I
Speaker 2: don't believe in that. But you get that call one
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, Hey can you come to studio?
Speaker 2: You better get your ass up. You if your opportunity
Speaker 2: for something. Because when I did that for the Georgia Lottery,
Speaker 2: even though it was like you know, now you laugh
Speaker 2: about it and you're like, oh whatever, but at the
Speaker 2: time it was like, oh wait a minute, like this
Speaker 2: is existing on television.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's existing in a place, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so it's and then you now when you go
Speaker 2: into rooms, you have something to say, you know, and
Speaker 2: I don't think people understand the power of that, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like to just show that you're
Speaker 2: working or that you're capable, like we all start somewhere.
Speaker 4: So that was my that's that's actually dope though. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's actually dope. And you know, I'm going to look
Speaker 4: it up to I.
Speaker 2: Got send you the video having to please I need it.
Speaker 2: I need it, people tagging me in it. For the
Speaker 2: longest it was so funny.
Speaker 1: So now you're on.
Speaker 4: The writing team for rap shit, yes, and who's the
Speaker 4: character you're writing for on there?
Speaker 5: Mia for mea Yeah.
Speaker 4: Are those songs also being distributed as well?
Speaker 1: Or is it just purely for the show.
Speaker 2: For the show, But the show also has a soundtrack,
Speaker 2: so the songs are also on the soundtrack.
Speaker 5: And then I was like contributing to other songs.
Speaker 4: For the sound you get writing the TV money, yeah,
Speaker 4: which was which was cool this and TV money is nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and building a great relationship with the radio team
Speaker 2: and you know, stuff like that. And then in the
Speaker 2: midst of all that, you know, like I'm still like
Speaker 2: working like a couple of days a week, but then
Speaker 2: still hustling. Like I worked as a stylist for a
Speaker 2: little while, so I'd get like styling gigs, and you know.
Speaker 4: And you are when you come to write for Rapture?
Speaker 4: Do you stay in la or do you go back
Speaker 4: to Atlanta?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I was back.
Speaker 1: You're back and forth yep, And you're styling in.
Speaker 2: Atlanta and in ls styling in Atlanta or New York
Speaker 2: or wherever. Like one thing about me, If you tell
Speaker 2: me there's an opportunity somewhere, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: Hey, were you styling for artists directly or were you
Speaker 4: just styling.
Speaker 1: For What were you styling for?
Speaker 2: So one of the things that I had styled during
Speaker 2: that time was it was a short film, independent film.
Speaker 5: It was called around ninety nine. It was like starring
Speaker 5: jaw Rules.
Speaker 2: So I was styling him and like all the characters
Speaker 2: and stuff for the cast. But then it was funny
Speaker 2: because that led to me styling styling Rock Kim. Sure,
Speaker 2: So I styled Rock Kim for like his concert at
Speaker 2: like Sony Music called him and his whole entire band
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Styling is a lot of work though that only imagine.
Speaker 4: So, so, was it just something that you just dove
Speaker 4: into on your own word, or did somebody say, you
Speaker 4: know what you fly?
Speaker 1: Would you mind you know, helping us with this?
Speaker 5: You know what it is? It's like I'm I'm a
Speaker 5: multi hyphen it right for sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's and the thing is, I'm more than
Speaker 2: being a multi hyphen it. I'm determined. So if somebody
Speaker 2: says to me, you know, how do you if I
Speaker 2: want to know how to do something, A lot of
Speaker 2: things that I learned how to do came from me
Speaker 2: just not having the budget. So when I learned how
Speaker 2: to style, it was because I couldn't afford a stylist, right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: When I was writing my own music is because I
Speaker 2: just thought that's that's what it was. You had to
Speaker 2: write your own music. And anything that I do is
Speaker 2: just because I'm like, oh, well I want this.
Speaker 5: It's really a no brainer. It's like I want this,
Speaker 5: How do you do it?
Speaker 1: How do you do it?
Speaker 2: It's really simple, you know what I mean. So, and
Speaker 2: then opportunities just kind of go.
Speaker 1: So, you know, one lead because.
Speaker 4: I made sure you were always there was the opportunity.
Speaker 4: You were always showed up.
Speaker 5: Even the ones I didn't want to do.
Speaker 4: And that's huge, Yeah, that's huge. Just so many people
Speaker 4: like you said, earning your.
Speaker 5: No, yep, And at that time I hadn't earned mind out.
Speaker 1: But there's so many people who believe that, oh, that's
Speaker 1: just not for me.
Speaker 5: No, you don't know what's for you.
Speaker 4: That opportunity that could be around the corner is now
Speaker 4: for not for you either at this point.
Speaker 5: And the thing is is that listen, true story.
Speaker 2: I was working with these girls one time, and they
Speaker 2: were a girl group, and they the manager had brought
Speaker 2: me in to do some writing and stuff for them.
Speaker 2: And as I was working with them, they were really talented,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't sure what was really happening with them,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because they weren't they they
Speaker 2: were still developing, so I wasn't really sure of what
Speaker 2: was happening.
Speaker 5: So I was just like, you know, whatever.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes when you're working with artists that are
Speaker 2: still developing or whatever the case is, especially if you
Speaker 2: don't have a background in the business, it's hard to
Speaker 2: understand the pipeline and understand what it takes to develop
Speaker 2: an artist and that you know, the quiet moments are
Speaker 2: normal or like the building is not as exciting as
Speaker 2: you might think it is.
Speaker 5: So I would be I would just go to.
Speaker 2: These sessions and do the work, and no matter what
Speaker 2: if I'm in the room, if I if I say
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in the room, I'm not gonna come
Speaker 2: in there and be half assed.
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's.
Speaker 2: A big artist a small artist. I'm giving it my
Speaker 2: best because I agreed to be there. So I go
Speaker 2: to one of the sessions one day and there's this
Speaker 2: guy sitting in the corner and he's super quiet, and
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, you know, I'm always just
Speaker 2: paying attention to my surroundings.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what the fuck do mother fuger?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But he's super quiet. Hein't really saying too much, so
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, whatever. So I'm working with the girls,
Speaker 2: working with the girls, so a couple hours ago back
Speaker 2: he really wasn't saying much at all. And then finally
Speaker 2: he comes up to me and he's like, hey, can
Speaker 2: we change information? And I was just like okay. Creative
Speaker 2: to creative, it was nothing like creepy and I was
Speaker 2: just like, all right, cool. So then he goes to me,
Speaker 2: I think you'd be really cool to bring you into
Speaker 2: work with Missy Elliott.
Speaker 5: And I was like what.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, this guy's been sitting quiet as hell
Speaker 2: in the corner the whole time, and in my head.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you fucking miss right.
Speaker 2: So he calls me like two weeks later, twelve o'clock
Speaker 2: at night, yo, can you pull up to the studio.
Speaker 1: For what?
Speaker 2: He's like, Missy's here. I want you to And I
Speaker 2: was like all right. So I'm not really sure what's happening.
Speaker 2: It's Atlanta. Ain't gonna lie. I got my little little
Speaker 2: bodyguard with me and I'm speeding down little bodyguard, so
Speaker 2: I'm speeding on the highway studio. He tells us to
Speaker 2: go to anybody's from it lea.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: The distance from Midtown, where I was living at the time,
Speaker 5: to Alpharetta.
Speaker 1: Is yes, okay, yep.
Speaker 5: He was like, I need you hear in fifteen minutes
Speaker 5: you all right?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: So I'm like, ain't no way I'm gonna get there
Speaker 5: in fifteen minutes. But I'm gonna just say yes and
Speaker 5: figure it out. I ain't put on no makeup.
Speaker 1: Guess what.
Speaker 2: It wasn't my show. It wasn't time for that. You're
Speaker 2: telling me I need to come there and work with
Speaker 2: Missie Elliot. I'm coming. So I get my ass up.
Speaker 2: I'm speeding, speeding, okay, exit, get to the studio. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what kind of fucking studio is this? It's an ice
Speaker 2: skating rink? Right, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm looking and I'm ice skating. It ain't no fucking way.
Speaker 2: This is a real studio.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So I got my you are, I'm a bodyguard.
Speaker 1: And my jackets.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking through the whole parking lot and I
Speaker 2: see one car to the back and it got a
Speaker 2: covering on but I could see at the bottom and
Speaker 2: it was like a lime I think it was like
Speaker 2: a lime greenish color or something. And I was like,
Speaker 2: Missy's a car person. I said that gotta be her car,
Speaker 2: all right, because for me, I'm scope, but just to
Speaker 2: make sure that, yeah, I'm safe, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because just you know, you gotta always do that. So
Speaker 2: I get there and it's the guy who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Shout out to him.
Speaker 5: He's my brother's Corte, it's my dog, and he goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Missy's here, like I once you come work,
Speaker 2: and I was just like okay, cool. So it's me
Speaker 2: and a couple other guys and I didn't really know
Speaker 2: any of the other guys or whatever. And Missy is
Speaker 2: you know how they say like nobody sees her record
Speaker 2: anything or anything like that, like you don't watch her
Speaker 2: work at all, Like that is very very true.
Speaker 5: So I didn't know what was happening, but I just
Speaker 5: knew I showed up.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the guys are kind of like writing some stuff
Speaker 2: for her, and I'm listening to the stuff that they're saying,
Speaker 2: and it was no shade, but it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: need me something with some money.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker. Missy is the.
Speaker 5: Nigga with the money. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Missy has all the money through that car under there
Speaker 1: was either a Ferrari or Lamborghaine. It was something crazy something.
Speaker 2: Yes, So here's the thing and this and this is
Speaker 2: this is where integrity and just want to do the
Speaker 2: right thing comes into play.
Speaker 5: We didn't know that she was outside the door listening.
Speaker 2: So I go in there because you know, I do
Speaker 2: my homework before I get there and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: because that's the thing about songwriting is people don't realize
Speaker 2: like how mental it is right and spiritual it is,
Speaker 2: because you literally have to take on another energy, yes,
Speaker 2: and you have to absorb that and become it right.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, I'm sitting there. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: if I was Missy mind you. I don't have no
Speaker 2: big places at the time, so I'm like, if I
Speaker 2: was Missy whatever. So I'm in there and I'm working.
Speaker 2: So Corte comes in the room and he's like, hey, y'all,
Speaker 2: can we talk to shek real quick.
Speaker 5: I'm like, ah, ship, what the hell out undead?
Speaker 2: So I got my bodyguard man listen, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the hell out undead. I'm just like nervous as fuck,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, they about to tell what ever?
Speaker 5: So the guys come out the room.
Speaker 2: The Corte's like, he looks at the engineer and goes,
Speaker 2: delete all that shit they was doing. We about to
Speaker 2: give you another a whole other hard drive. That Missy
Speaker 2: got some ideas she wants she to work on these
Speaker 2: by herself, and I was like, oh, okay, cool, And
Speaker 2: she came in the room and we got to talking,
Speaker 2: and that was one of the best moments of my
Speaker 2: career because just being able to even like, first of all,
Speaker 2: she's someone I look up to, Like, my goal in
Speaker 2: my career is to be this generation's Missy Elliott in
Speaker 2: terms of like and I got some big shoes to
Speaker 2: feeling a long way to go, but in terms of
Speaker 2: how she exists, how she exists as a creative, whether
Speaker 2: she's in the back or in the front, or a
Speaker 2: producer or a songwriter or an artist, and just her
Speaker 2: creativity and how she pushes like Missy and even with
Speaker 2: her like how she started you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and everything, like I being able to sit there and
Speaker 2: just talk with her, and she gave me a piece
Speaker 2: of advice that I still take with me till now.
Speaker 2: Whereas when she said to me, because I don't like
Speaker 2: the booth, I don't record in booths. I hate the booth.
Speaker 2: It's a disconnect for me, okay, And I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was. I said something how it came up, and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't really like the booth.
Speaker 2: And she goes, listen to me, She said, whatever people need,
Speaker 2: whatever you need to be your best. When someone wants
Speaker 2: something from you, never be afraid to ask for it.
Speaker 2: And she was like, it don't matter if it's white,
Speaker 2: Eminem's can whatever.
Speaker 5: She said, when somebody asked you for something.
Speaker 2: Whatever you need to deliver at your best, don't ever
Speaker 2: be afraid to ask for it. I've taken it with me.
Speaker 2: I will continue to take that with me. And it's
Speaker 2: just the truth, like if I know that I require
Speaker 2: this to give you because if I come up, if
Speaker 2: I come and I'm doing bullshit and I'm not asking
Speaker 2: you for the things I need, whether it is that
Speaker 2: make you comfortable, comfortable or gis you didn't need like
Speaker 2: five baby doves.
Speaker 1: All you asked for was teeth.
Speaker 5: That's all I asked for And I haven't even you know.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 5: That's all I needed.
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm easy.
Speaker 2: So she she taught me that, and you know again
Speaker 2: like shout out courte for that. That's something that I
Speaker 2: take with me, you know, like throughout my career and
Speaker 2: I've been able to pass to like other girls. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because as women, sometimes you're very
Speaker 2: afraid to ask for things in the studio you know,
Speaker 2: or you know or you're just afraid to rock rooms,
Speaker 2: to shake a room, and it's like you're not shaking
Speaker 2: the room by telling somebody that you know, this is
Speaker 2: not loud enough or this is not this, or it's
Speaker 2: like what do you need It's okay, do you need
Speaker 2: everybody to get out? I don't work well with a
Speaker 2: million people in the room.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's it's important just to just
Speaker 4: to let women know.
Speaker 1: That you guys have earned the right to be there.
Speaker 1: It's a reason why you're there exactly, you know.
Speaker 4: So if you are in that room and you've made
Speaker 4: it to that room, your presence has to be felt,
Speaker 4: it has.
Speaker 5: To be felt. And the thing is to me.
Speaker 2: I can listen, I can listen to records, and I
Speaker 2: can tell when there's no female energy in the room
Speaker 2: that their female energy is a thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it is a thing.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a balance, it's a balance, and you
Speaker 2: can hear it a lot of times. Like there are
Speaker 2: songs I can listen, I can hear that we're written
Speaker 2: for like women and you know, the female artists like
Speaker 2: they sing them or whatever it is, and there's certain
Speaker 2: lines I'm like.
Speaker 1: Boy, you know, good and fucking will no woman talk
Speaker 1: like that? Right? Right, like, we don't.
Speaker 2: We don't speak that way you right now. From a
Speaker 2: perspective of how you wish a woman would speak to you,
Speaker 2: there's that too, because not how they talk, that's how
Speaker 2: you wish they would talk, and that's different.
Speaker 4: But I think from a from a from a writer's perspective,
Speaker 4: as a man who's written a lot of records for women,
Speaker 4: I just always ask questions. I've always I've always just
Speaker 4: been inquisitive about whoever I'm writing for are with.
Speaker 1: To just be like, Okay, how do you feel? How
Speaker 1: did that feel?
Speaker 5: But that's a lost art.
Speaker 1: How do you what did you talk about?
Speaker 4: Like what did you say when you found such and such?
Speaker 4: Like what's your real reaction?
Speaker 2: But that is a skill and a gift in itself
Speaker 2: because that approach. I learned that from watching Jimmy jam
Speaker 2: and Terry Lewis interviews, right, And I heard the story
Speaker 2: of when they had Jane Jackson and they were working
Speaker 2: on well, they didn't know what they were working on
Speaker 2: at the time. They knew they were going to work
Speaker 2: with her, and they spent a few days with her,
Speaker 2: going to the movies all the things, and finally they
Speaker 2: asked her, you know if you could have anything you
Speaker 2: want in life, what would it be right now?
Speaker 5: Her answer was Control, And they wrote the Control album.
Speaker 2: And so when I watched that, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is how I want to approach things, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you something. I personally think that that
Speaker 2: has contributed to a lot of my success is because
Speaker 2: I know how to respect people as individuals.
Speaker 5: I don't go into a room just assuming.
Speaker 2: That you you know, like sushi, or you want to
Speaker 2: be with eight dudes or this and that. There's some
Speaker 2: girls that I've gone into rooms and I'm always having
Speaker 2: conversations and by the time I'm done talking to them,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you sure you don't want to do gospel
Speaker 2: cause I don't know if this is.
Speaker 4: For you, you know, and like, but.
Speaker 5: That's but you know, but people feel seen.
Speaker 2: People feel seen, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: there's a bullying that takes place sometimes from producer to
Speaker 2: artists or songwriter artists where it's like, no, you need
Speaker 2: to say this, and it's like they don't need to
Speaker 2: say shit. That's not your job. Your job is to
Speaker 2: go in there and bring out the best in them.
Speaker 2: You don't know them like that. I don't care what
Speaker 2: the fuck you read on the internet. People see in
Speaker 2: stories all damn day for sure. So it's like, why
Speaker 2: are you so why are you so afraid to ask
Speaker 2: a fucking question? Just ask them how they feel, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, are you do you want
Speaker 2: to talk about this? Don't do you want to talk
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 1: Do you want?
Speaker 5: Whatever it is?
Speaker 2: But respect people's individuality.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: Everybody says they want to be collaborative until it's time
Speaker 4: to collaborate, like truly, but.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2: Needles is the one that taught me about the power
Speaker 2: of collaboration because before that, again, like I said, people
Speaker 2: will do I wi themselves into the floor.
Speaker 5: I didn't know and I never figet. He told me.
Speaker 2: He was like she'd listened to me. He was like,
Speaker 2: I used to do everything by myself. He's like the
Speaker 2: record that changed my career, which was just the way
Speaker 2: you are he did for Bruno Mars. He said that
Speaker 2: was a collaborative record. He said that record has been
Speaker 2: paying me for the past thirteen years.
Speaker 1: I don't give him.
Speaker 5: About doing anything by myself whoever we need.
Speaker 2: And then also to like just other creators that I
Speaker 2: admire so much, when you watch them work and you
Speaker 2: see how many people are in the room and how
Speaker 2: many people it really takes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just going after the ultimate goal, which is
Speaker 4: a hit record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. However, you get to that point.
Speaker 4: Now, when you get there, you know, obviously sometimes people
Speaker 4: have what we call it azia. I won't even call
Speaker 4: it ego. I just call it am Niche.
Speaker 1: Did what and how it was done?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: But that's why I'm also like, especially since I got
Speaker 4: you here, even just the business side of it, I
Speaker 4: am an advocate for handling the business day of.
Speaker 1: I know it's tough, it is.
Speaker 4: But I tell you young writers and older writers, shit,
Speaker 4: but you young writers, get that split sheet done, get
Speaker 4: it done, have everybody signed their signature on it. Don't
Speaker 4: have to argue about it. But when those publishing splits
Speaker 4: come in at one hundred and seventeen percent, that don't
Speaker 4: fucking exist in a song, No, motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: It don't imagine. I asked if I could curse on
Speaker 2: this podcast.
Speaker 4: I'd be cussing my ass off. But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Those are the things that really make me cuss and
Speaker 4: make me mad. It ain't much, but make me mad.
Speaker 4: I don't know, right, but I just I hate that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when it's now okay, the song is out and now
Speaker 4: that don't even it doesn't add up to one hundreds
Speaker 4: beyond one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, also to it. It's they're hard conversations to have, yes,
Speaker 2: but easier if it's on the table early, early, and
Speaker 2: even if you don't want to have it. That's what
Speaker 2: you got a team for, you know. But if you're
Speaker 2: at an early place where you don't have the team,
Speaker 2: you cannot be afraid to have those conversations.
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 2: Anybody that gives you any kind of attitude, backlash or
Speaker 2: anything about trying to have that conversation, don't mean you will.
Speaker 5: Anybody that is like, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, cool I got? I got you, like, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, it's like all right. But anybody that's like,
Speaker 2: why are we talking about? It's like you just you
Speaker 2: don't mean you.
Speaker 4: You know what I what I tell people and something
Speaker 4: I live by. I'm important and I am an asset
Speaker 4: And the worst thing I can do to you is
Speaker 4: not work with you.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: I ain't got a beef with nobody. Okay, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm gonna take less on this one. Yeah, at
Speaker 4: some point you're going to call me again, and my
Speaker 4: immediate response is going to be.
Speaker 1: I can't do that. That's it. And you know why,
Speaker 1: always mean, you know why, that's it.
Speaker 4: You think your ten percent is worth twenty five and
Speaker 4: you know it was ten and I gave you twenty
Speaker 4: so we would both feel good.
Speaker 1: I'm never doing it again with you again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we just have to we have to understand
Speaker 4: how important we are.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: And I think too.
Speaker 2: I have something I say all the time, Eddie Murphy
Speaker 2: and Will Smith don't have a movie together.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 5: And what I mean by that is.
Speaker 1: I think you're about to start some shit though, but.
Speaker 2: I don't, right, But what I mean is, we ain't
Speaker 2: got to work with everybody. Like Eddie Murphy and Will
Speaker 2: Smith don't have a movie together, and they are both successful, iconic,
Speaker 2: legendary at the highest level. And it doesn't mean they
Speaker 2: have beef. I don't want to say I don't want
Speaker 2: to make it seem like something. It probably just happened
Speaker 2: that way, right, But this whole notion of like, no,
Speaker 2: everybody gotta work with it, It's not like that, Like
Speaker 2: you should in the beginning parts of your career, like
Speaker 2: or even sometimes you know, like do the session. But
Speaker 2: if a shoe don't fit, it's not the end of
Speaker 2: the fucking world.
Speaker 1: You're the fool. If it happens to you again, that's
Speaker 1: it you are.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is like there's a precedence that
Speaker 2: you said very early in your career, and people talk,
Speaker 2: and if you are not and I'm not saying you
Speaker 2: gotta be nasty, because I don't believe in that, but
Speaker 2: you do need to be assertive and you do need
Speaker 2: to be serious about your business because people talk. And
Speaker 2: if somebody gets over on you and then they're part
Speaker 2: of something else and they see that you're it'd.
Speaker 5: Be like, oh, well they ain't finna say shit, or
Speaker 5: like you know, so part of me.
Speaker 1: But you have to.
Speaker 5: You have to.
Speaker 2: It is it is your responsibility to decide how you
Speaker 2: want to be handled in this business and how you
Speaker 2: want to be respected, and what you want the trajectory
Speaker 2: of your career and what you want your creer to
Speaker 2: look like.
Speaker 5: Like that's nobody else's job. If you if you sit.
Speaker 2: There and you know, continuously take the short end of
Speaker 2: the stick. You can't cry about always getting the short
Speaker 2: end of the stick because you the one taking it,
Speaker 2: because they gonna try everybody.
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to start understanding the business?
Speaker 5: Ooh baby, I'm still trying to understand the business.
Speaker 2: I don't love, I don't I don't think. I don't
Speaker 2: think any of us fully know it. It's such an
Speaker 2: ever growing and ever changing and evolving business. Like just
Speaker 2: when you think you figured out streaming a new law,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just when you think you
Speaker 2: figured out, oh this is how blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: It's just constantly growing and evolving, and you know, you'll
Speaker 2: do things for a long time and you'll think it's normal,
Speaker 2: and then you get into another situation where finally somebody's
Speaker 2: actually being honest and you're like, wait a minute. The
Speaker 2: whole time, so sometimes you're getting jerked around and you
Speaker 2: didn't even you know what I mean. So I think, like,
Speaker 2: just I'm constantly I'm constantly a student, constantly a student,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't know everything, and
Speaker 2: any day that I feel like I know everything, that's
Speaker 2: the end of me because you don't, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? I know what I know, but if good
Speaker 2: and I know it feels good, and and if I
Speaker 2: don't know something, I'm not afraid to ask questions. I'm
Speaker 2: not afraid to go do some research. You know, you
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot. If you want to sit there pretending
Speaker 2: like you know everything, you only hurting yourself. Like, just
Speaker 2: just ask, just ask, you know, Because as much as
Speaker 2: there's like messed up people in this business, there are
Speaker 2: incredible people in this business too, you know, there are
Speaker 2: I have some of the greatest people I know in
Speaker 2: life I met in this business. So there's this whole
Speaker 2: thing about like, oh the business, and yeah, the business
Speaker 2: is messed up, but everybody's not fucked up. There are
Speaker 2: people that will tell you what you need to know.
Speaker 1: It's just life. You're gonna be good people, great people,
Speaker 1: bad people, horrible people.
Speaker 4: It's levels to all of it, and there's always another
Speaker 4: side of it.
Speaker 1: But it's something that you said earlier. Even with it.
Speaker 4: Like you said about writing records, you wrote records chasing
Speaker 4: a feeling. We also have to do business chasing a feeling. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: if it does not feel right to you, it's not right.
Speaker 1: It's not right for you.
Speaker 4: You one else, but not for you, but for you,
Speaker 4: and I think we get away from that. Some peopeople like,
Speaker 4: oh man, well, so why did you do that deal?
Speaker 4: They offered me more money hmm, and now you're fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and now you feel fucked and you feel like they
Speaker 4: fucked you over. But truthfully, they might not have at all.
Speaker 4: They might not even been a bad deal in itself.
Speaker 4: It just may not have worked for you because there
Speaker 4: the things that were in place where the more money
Speaker 4: will us over. Then where the feeling of somebody who's
Speaker 4: going to fight for you. You know, it could be
Speaker 4: somebody coming up to you like, you know what, I
Speaker 4: rock with you, but I only got this.
Speaker 5: But you also have to you have to know what
Speaker 5: your needs are.
Speaker 2: Like anytime somebody calls me and asks me for advice,
Speaker 2: the first thing I asked them is what are your goals?
Speaker 5: What do you need?
Speaker 2: There's some people that need the money and they don't
Speaker 2: care about the back end. And if that's what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got to remember remember that when it dried up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to remember that I needed that break.
Speaker 5: I needed that bread, and that's why I made this.
Speaker 1: Decision, my first deal. I needed that breade.
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't care who you are there's not one
Speaker 2: creative that could ever tell me they ain't fuck up
Speaker 2: their first bag. We have all fucked the money up
Speaker 2: at least once, at minimum more device or three.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Listen, but it's also but also a driver, right or
Speaker 4: it's no for real, like it's real. It's motivation. And
Speaker 4: that's why when people be like, well why did they
Speaker 4: buy a plane because the cars wasn't getting them out
Speaker 4: of bed every day?
Speaker 3: No more.
Speaker 4: Let's just be real, nieces, Like listen, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: figure out how to buy this G five, So I
Speaker 4: got to work a little harder, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Things have to motivate you, whatever that is. So sometimes
Speaker 4: going broke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, motivate you. You get back on your the greatest
Speaker 1: song about life way I'm.
Speaker 5: Back, wait till I get my money right.
Speaker 1: It's all part of the process, and you know it's
Speaker 1: it's to me.
Speaker 4: It's what gets us all going, and it's it helps
Speaker 4: in our service to the world. Yeah, we're here to entertain,
Speaker 4: We're here to give feeling. We're here to make people
Speaker 4: feel a certain way about what we're doing, about what
Speaker 4: they're doing. And sometimes we just were able to worry
Speaker 4: better than others. You know some of these songs, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure, but you.
Speaker 5: Know, but you know, go crazy, go on. Somebody need
Speaker 5: to hear.
Speaker 2: Not have been me, yeah, but somebody somewhere needed to hear.
Speaker 4: It's okay. So what's your first big record that you
Speaker 4: can that you felt like, I've arrived. I've done it
Speaker 4: the ship I was shooting for.
Speaker 5: I had the honor.
Speaker 1: Come on, I love this record.
Speaker 5: I'm grateful for everything I do.
Speaker 1: So I've had.
Speaker 2: I had the honor being a part of I was
Speaker 2: a co writer on Red Ruby a Sueeze.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: I love that song and I love the fact that
Speaker 4: y'all it was great. Yeah, great song.
Speaker 2: So that record, that record definitely changed the trajectory of
Speaker 2: my career for sure.
Speaker 5: And it kind of you know that record.
Speaker 2: That was just a crazy moment when that record took off.
Speaker 2: Like the text messages that went unanswered for years. Ah,
Speaker 2: they mails that never got to respond in real time.
Speaker 2: I was just watching my phone and I was just
Speaker 2: like wow, And I wasn't even upset.
Speaker 5: You can't be.
Speaker 4: You can't be, because what you have to understand in business,
Speaker 4: not even in our business, but in business, everybody's busy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and if you are not an asset your liability.
Speaker 2: And you know, look, look, once I learned politics, my
Speaker 2: my career changed. I stopped taking everything personal because before
Speaker 2: you learn politics in this business, you will think something
Speaker 2: is wrong with you, right, and ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5: Some of y'all suck, But.
Speaker 2: For the ones that you know, you're good and people
Speaker 2: are constantly hearing your shit, and it's like, damn, this
Speaker 2: is hard.
Speaker 5: This is hard. Listen you.
Speaker 2: There's been times I remember that I would hear a
Speaker 2: song and I'd be like, man, I was gunning for
Speaker 2: the same thing. This is trash. I know the shit
Speaker 2: that I did was better. But when you start realizing
Speaker 2: who's connected to who and who owes, who will favor
Speaker 2: and all that other shit, you're like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 2: play ball, motherfucker. Like I don't you gotta just play ball?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You have to figure out
Speaker 2: what your strategy is.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 2: My strategy has always been movement. Right, Like I was
Speaker 2: raised in church. I go to church, so everything for
Speaker 2: me is spiritual. When I read the Bible. In the Bible,
Speaker 2: every time God was doing something, he made them move.
Speaker 2: He was never it was never intended for people to
Speaker 2: stay in one place. So when people would probably look
Speaker 2: at for me and call instability, I don't give a
Speaker 2: fuck what you call it. I know what God told me.
Speaker 2: So if God told me to go to la that's
Speaker 2: where I gotta go. If he told me to go
Speaker 2: to Atlanta, that's where I need to be. And every
Speaker 2: time I was obedient to my calling, my life changed.
Speaker 2: So Atlanta, shout out to Atlanta. Atlanta is literally one
Speaker 2: of the greatest cities on this planet. Atlanta changed my life.
Speaker 2: The people that I met in Atlanta food amazing. Food's amazing,
Speaker 2: the people are amazing. And Atlanta. No city supports young
Speaker 2: black ambition like Atlanta. No city supports it.
Speaker 4: Like you sound like Tyree's right now, it's just the
Speaker 4: truth he'd be preaching for. Listen, Atlanta should give tyrese us.
Speaker 4: Don't yes, that's you a star. I know y'all got
Speaker 4: the stars. Now y'all doing Tyree's because he beat It's
Speaker 4: true him a jingle. I will write him come to
Speaker 4: or come to Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Listen to something jingle. But like, Atlanta's a great city.
Speaker 2: And and you know, when I was in Atlanta, I
Speaker 2: had gotten I did a lot, but I knew that
Speaker 2: if I wanted to get to the next phase of
Speaker 2: my career, that the next phase of my career was
Speaker 2: going to be in Los ange And so I had
Speaker 2: to make that move.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Los Angeles. Let's talk about it
Speaker 1: in La. In La, it's cracking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but before you even get here, when you get here,
Speaker 4: after you get your your first big hit record, did
Speaker 4: you buy anything stupid?
Speaker 5: No, not yet, not yet? Not yet?
Speaker 1: Have you on yet?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, but you know, also like my stupid days,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say they all the way over. Listen,
Speaker 2: we all got some bullshit left, bullshit.
Speaker 1: I was looking. I looked at my stock duror. One day,
Speaker 1: I said no way.
Speaker 4: I started, I start adding up the socks and the
Speaker 4: cost of socks.
Speaker 1: I said, no way.
Speaker 2: Listen, Hey, hey, everybody has their thing, and socks are
Speaker 2: your thing.
Speaker 4: We're not going not even that's just my thing. That
Speaker 4: was just it's just some and no, I don't need it.
Speaker 4: I'm grown take accountability. I was like, this is stupid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jay, I love it all, all right, I love exactly.
Speaker 1: I love a good dumb ass moment.
Speaker 5: I'll take it all.
Speaker 1: So when you get to La. You already moving. Have
Speaker 1: you done your publishing deal yet?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did your publishing deal in Atlanta? I did it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was still living in Atlanta when I did it.
Speaker 2: And when I did my publishing deal, I opened a
Speaker 2: coffee shop.
Speaker 1: Oh what made you do that? I love coffee, And
Speaker 1: it was purely that it was.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even about the business itself. You just like,
Speaker 4: I love coffee, I love the people love coffee. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna sell coffee. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then my great grandmother was a coffee farmer and
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I learned that because I was like,
Speaker 2: I love coffee so much. And one day I was
Speaker 2: talking to my mom and she's like, you know, my
Speaker 2: grandmother used to grow coffee Jamaica.
Speaker 5: We actually produced some of the best coffee in the world.
Speaker 1: That's what. When I went did you make it? They
Speaker 1: tell me I'm not a coffee.
Speaker 2: Drinking so I don't know if I trust you anymore. Yikes,
Speaker 2: But you know, so I did.
Speaker 4: That's kind of manage addictions. I don't, you know, I
Speaker 4: try to stay away from it.
Speaker 5: Give me my caffeine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that isn't it. I've seen it didn't close
Speaker 4: coffee is in a diction.
Speaker 5: Number one consumed drug on the planet caffeine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I tried to stay away from all things addictive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was in Atlanta, I did that. But
Speaker 2: here's the funny shit. Earlier that year, God was like,
Speaker 2: moved to LA and I was like, no, I'm going
Speaker 2: to open a car, okay, and let me tell you
Speaker 2: how to have it. But lost story short it. You know,
Speaker 2: I did it. I loved every second of having it.
Speaker 2: It ended up not the person I went into business
Speaker 2: with ended up not being the greatest.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you didn't make no money.
Speaker 5: Well, I lost a lot of money.
Speaker 1: You lost not even about not making that.
Speaker 5: Oh, I lost so much money.
Speaker 2: And I remember the day publishing money Yeah, and money
Speaker 2: from just other things, you know, and the other things.
Speaker 1: Boy, we don't remember.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about that. Even though the statue of
Speaker 4: Libertation is over it.
Speaker 1: Is, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, hey man, nah, but I remember the day I
Speaker 2: closed my shop. I said, fuck this shit, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go write two songs and make it all better.
Speaker 1: Come on, you know who told me that?
Speaker 4: And I'm about to tell you you can use this
Speaker 4: because I'm sure He's fine with it. He said, Jay,
Speaker 4: you know what, sometimes you gotta charge it to the microphone.
Speaker 1: E forty. Come on, shout out to Earl Stephens. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Earl Stevens.
Speaker 4: He said, flat out, I was talking about something, you know,
Speaker 4: wins and losses, you know what I mean, some money
Speaker 4: that I invested in something. Charge it to the microphone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's what it is, because I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: another one. Absolutely. It was the time of my life
Speaker 2: and I was proud of myself for having a goal,
Speaker 2: having a vision and doing the thing.
Speaker 1: But it was the name of the coffee shop. It's
Speaker 1: called grind Time. Grind Time, so you had a good
Speaker 1: name of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was all of we sup print song lyrics on
Speaker 2: the lattes. It was a whole music kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was great and I loved having it, and Atlanta
Speaker 2: was so supportive, like so many people would pull up
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 2: But you know it, I remember the day that I
Speaker 2: closed it. I'm like a strong person, so it's like
Speaker 2: very rare that people ask me how I'm feeling. So
Speaker 2: when I closed it, I think everybody was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: she must have another like thing. Up her sleeve like
Speaker 2: she's going to be fine, and I was like dying inside.
Speaker 2: You know, this was my baby, like I closed it.
Speaker 2: But I remember sitting there and just being like, God
Speaker 2: told my ass to go to LA, and I just
Speaker 2: did what I wanted to do. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what you gonna do now, bitch? And I was like,
Speaker 2: might as well take your ass La, And so two
Speaker 2: months later I moved to La.
Speaker 4: Damn yeah, but yeah, I say, but I.
Speaker 2: Moved to LA and caught the number one record in
Speaker 2: the world. And if that coffee shop didn't go sour,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have had that because I didn't have any
Speaker 2: plans on ever come here.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 5: I was at a place.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was like, I'm gona buy a piece
Speaker 2: of land, build a house, my coffee shop, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: expand it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel like writing writing. During that time, I
Speaker 1: was kind of slowed up.
Speaker 2: I was making my exit and God was like, no, bitch,
Speaker 2: dragged me right by the eyelashes, right back into this motherfucker.
Speaker 5: He said, you're not done girl.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 4: So okay, So even in that, because we've all been here,
Speaker 4: at least I have where you have these partners. You
Speaker 4: have these these publishing label whatever it is, you have partners.
Speaker 4: So how are they feeling because you've done this publishing
Speaker 4: deal but now you're selling coffee. Ain't no publishing and coffee.
Speaker 4: How are those conversations going? Because we you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like the people that watch our show want
Speaker 4: to know how they ship with works. When you make
Speaker 4: a decision like that to say I ain't writing songs
Speaker 4: right now, I ain't gonna.
Speaker 5: Tell you, I can't really tell nobody.
Speaker 1: I was just like what.
Speaker 5: You thought I was gonna call him and be like,
Speaker 5: now I ain't writing no something.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker. Oh yeah, I got you, I got your money.
Speaker 1: They gop over here doing payroll.
Speaker 2: Listen when they negotiating my deal, the first thing I
Speaker 2: told my lawyer, I said, make sure I got to
Speaker 2: buy out clausing that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Are you looking for your exit from the beginning.
Speaker 5: From the beginning. But I'm gonna tell you what things
Speaker 5: have taught me over time.
Speaker 2: You do not have the power to stop what is
Speaker 2: for you and where you're supposed to be that Oh man,
Speaker 2: I fucked it up.
Speaker 5: You don't have that kind of power.
Speaker 2: Like how many times did I tell you, I tried
Speaker 2: to get out this shit that I quit that God
Speaker 2: was like, m come back and here's the funny part,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to this stuff. But even when I
Speaker 2: ended up doing my artists deal, that took me forever
Speaker 2: because I'm doing artists music and everybody's, oh, who's writing
Speaker 2: for you? And I fell in the songwriter and I
Speaker 2: was totally content with never being up front facing artists again.
Speaker 5: But then the question flipped, where's your music? I know
Speaker 5: you fucking.
Speaker 2: Lying the amount of years that's how go that I
Speaker 2: spent And I literally got offered deals from multiple labels
Speaker 2: off of my references. Again, not something I was actively seeking.
Speaker 2: It sought me out and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: fuck it, y'all giving trash motherfuckers checks every day, I
Speaker 2: might as well take one.
Speaker 4: Minus well, I say that a lot if y'all don't
Speaker 4: steal my ship as well, because once you got to lose.
Speaker 2: What you got to lose, you know, and clearly guys
Speaker 2: not letting me out of this thing, so we might as.
Speaker 1: Well go all the way. We just keep putting it
Speaker 1: the buyout clauset.
Speaker 2: We just keep putting the listen know your clause is
Speaker 2: you got to know what you want for your career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and sometimes you want out and sometimes you want out.
Speaker 5: But you know what, I think we have all wanted
Speaker 5: out at some point.
Speaker 2: I think I've wanted out, maybe three days ago, But
Speaker 2: I'm out of wanting out.
Speaker 1: You are sitting with the King of the Pivot. What nigga,
Speaker 1: I will jay? So you just put out a song.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't musten man, I just I can't. I
Speaker 2: tell a joke, I will tell a lie. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: I we all fight with this.
Speaker 1: This business.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I'm happy to
Speaker 5: be here and I'm grateful.
Speaker 4: And you're an amazing person. First, let's start there above all,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And your talent has been
Speaker 4: able to just shine through.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: And so speaking of talent and shining through and these
Speaker 4: big records.
Speaker 1: How the hell do you get to Korea? Yeah? How
Speaker 1: what you know?
Speaker 4: That's what that's the old black that's the old black
Speaker 4: man you used to say back in the day when
Speaker 4: he came back from.
Speaker 1: Korea. You know what I mean, Get to it. Listen,
Speaker 1: trying to tell you kids in Korea, that's what that's just,
Speaker 1: that's just talk talk.
Speaker 4: How did you get over there to write for these
Speaker 4: amazing artists in the K pop space.
Speaker 5: So fun funny thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to Korea until after I did all
Speaker 2: those things.
Speaker 5: I did those records here.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my first record in the K pop world
Speaker 2: was Zen by Jenny.
Speaker 5: I did that with Plus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, come on, you just you're
Speaker 4: just saying it like ye did that capitals Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but we did Zen and it was me,
Speaker 2: Bibi Barelli, Jelly and Plus. Shout out to them, I
Speaker 2: co writers and producer. And the crazy thing about that
Speaker 2: was the day Plus called me. He goes I'm at
Speaker 2: the udio with Bbi Barelli and she's, look, she needs
Speaker 2: someone to collaborate with, but she wants like another girl,
Speaker 2: are you available? I was at my shop. I was
Speaker 2: at my coffee shop, and I was like, I'm so tired.
Speaker 5: I'm so tired.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what, it's one session,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna hurt taking espresso, shot and go. So
Speaker 2: I ended up going and that was where I met
Speaker 2: Nicole Kim. She's A and R for Jenny at the time,
Speaker 2: and you know, BB and I we were there Plus
Speaker 2: like just having a ton of conversations and everything, and
Speaker 2: through the conversations again, importance of conversation in the studio.
Speaker 5: Through the conversations came Zen.
Speaker 2: Jenny would always do her interviews and talk about how
Speaker 2: Zen was like her favorite record, and Zen means a
Speaker 2: lot to me because it's a record that's really about
Speaker 2: like empowerment and really just like fighting through the bullshit,
Speaker 2: and even the way it's written is really poetic. So
Speaker 2: I personally didn't think she would like it, but she
Speaker 2: loved it. So Zen cames and did very well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Nicole calls me the following year and she's like, hey,
Speaker 2: she would you want to work with BTS? And I
Speaker 2: was like, girl, is water what? I didn't say that
Speaker 2: to her, you know, yep, I'm like, oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: like yeah and oh yeah, you know, I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: see if I have time. But so she was like okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So a couple months go, but I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2: And you know, I never get upset about things like that,
Speaker 2: you know, because again, when you learn politics, you don't
Speaker 2: take things personal.
Speaker 5: So I was just like all right, whatever.
Speaker 2: So then she calls me a couple months later and
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, I want you to do one day
Speaker 2: with RM. So I'm going and I'm like doing my
Speaker 2: research and I'm like, okay, he's a group leader. Cool,
Speaker 2: go to Conway Studios here. And the day that I
Speaker 2: got there, me and Derek actually pulled up at the
Speaker 2: same time shout out Derek Malano and I look at
Speaker 2: Derek and I was just like, do you know what
Speaker 2: we're doing?
Speaker 5: And He's like do you know what we're doing? And
Speaker 5: I was like I don't. So he's like all right.
Speaker 2: So we get there and we're talking to them, and
Speaker 2: they bring Derek to another so he was like doing
Speaker 2: whatever they needed him to do, and they basically said
Speaker 2: to me, like, you know, one of the things about
Speaker 2: LA is that we have massive melodies and big production,
Speaker 2: but people really neglect lyrics, and you are a great lyricist,
Speaker 2: Like you're.
Speaker 5: One of the best lyricist out of it. I was
Speaker 5: just like, okay, girl keep suting my horm but okay.
Speaker 2: So she was just like, you know, I really want
Speaker 2: you to like sit with RM and like help to
Speaker 2: curate these songs, to like make them more, make them
Speaker 2: unique to the band, and just things that they can feel.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, okay, So I sat with
Speaker 2: Ram the first day and I was just I couldn't
Speaker 2: really read him. And it was a very different approach
Speaker 2: than that I normally taken songwriting, because an enormous songwriting.
Speaker 2: You know, we sit down and it's like, oh, hey girl,
Speaker 2: like hey, you know so, but this was a whole
Speaker 2: other culture. It was a whole other so you know,
Speaker 2: now this is where I'm just like, all right, let
Speaker 2: me observe be a student. So after a couple hours,
Speaker 2: like We're sitting there with your lyrics and I'm throwing
Speaker 2: ideas out and some of them were landing and some
Speaker 2: of them weren't. And you know, I keep getting into
Speaker 2: these roadblocks because I would say something and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, because of our native tongue, they can't pronounce that,
Speaker 2: or you know that they have to stay away from
Speaker 2: it's that's drugs.
Speaker 5: They can't say that. That's alcohol, they can't say that.
Speaker 2: And then after a couple hours, he's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of tired and I just don't really want
Speaker 2: to do this anymore. And I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: and I was like all right, cool. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, thank you for having me. Like I had
Speaker 2: a great day with you, and you know, I appreciate
Speaker 2: the opportunity.
Speaker 5: So in my head, I'm like, well, there's that shit,
Speaker 5: Like that's over with.
Speaker 2: And I was only supposed to be there for a day,
Speaker 2: so I was like, well that's done. So at like
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning, I get a text from
Speaker 2: Nicole and she's like, hey, I really need you for
Speaker 2: like the next seven or eight days. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean and she's like, RAM really really
Speaker 2: loves working with you.
Speaker 1: I thought it was over with, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I was like okay, So I'm like supposed to fly
Speaker 2: out the next day. I'm she travel around and I
Speaker 2: did all the things, and I was like, okay, I
Speaker 2: got the I got the days you need, you know whatever.
Speaker 5: And she's like all right.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: So the next day they hit me and they're like,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to work in the studio.
Speaker 5: He wants to work in the house.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So they rent us a mansion and come on, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something. I've worked with a lot
Speaker 2: of people. I've had the blessing and the honor and
Speaker 2: privilege to work with so many people, and this is
Speaker 2: no shade. But up until that moment coming, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: these are superstars.
Speaker 1: I told you how shade was coming, and.
Speaker 2: This is no, no, no, no, no no, because this is
Speaker 2: no shade, right. But it's like there's levels, the levels. Listen,
Speaker 2: they could say they cold, and it's eight motherfuckers jumping
Speaker 2: out the vent with a jacket like this was different levels,
Speaker 2: it's levels. And I was just like, oh, he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to work in the studio. Cool, let's let's just
Speaker 2: go get them a mansion on the ocean to finish
Speaker 2: writing swimming.
Speaker 1: Why not? Because why not?
Speaker 4: And I was just like, okay, because what did Missy say?
Speaker 2: Whatever, you need to get the job done to be
Speaker 2: your best, you better ask for it.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm shooting these podcasts on the ocean from
Speaker 4: now on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if none of this is gonna.
Speaker 4: Fly away, because that's what I'm going to figure it out,
Speaker 4: because I like the ocean.
Speaker 5: I know that's right.
Speaker 2: And we sat there and you know, we finished swim
Speaker 2: in front of the ocean, and then once I now
Speaker 2: started figuring out a rhythm because again in those moments,
Speaker 2: like it's one of my favorite quotes is a Richard
Speaker 2: Branson quote, you get an opportunity, you don't know what
Speaker 2: to do, you.
Speaker 5: Say yes and figure it out along the way, or
Speaker 5: figure it out later.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, now I'm studying the way that
Speaker 2: you know, I'm actively learning him. I'm learning the rest
Speaker 2: of the ban and through him, but learning him as
Speaker 2: we're going. So now he's getting a little more comfortable.
Speaker 2: We move on to normal, and that's when I started
Speaker 2: asking questions like, you know, what is your normal?
Speaker 5: And that's when he's explaining their life.
Speaker 2: So when you watch a Netflix documentary and you see
Speaker 2: me and him there having a conversation, we're having a
Speaker 2: conversation about.
Speaker 5: Normal and you know what is normal for them.
Speaker 2: And that's where we were able to contribute to normal
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So it was really a very
Speaker 2: interesting process. And then we moved on to like the
Speaker 2: other you know records as they went. So a lot
Speaker 2: of these records they were started by like amazing writers
Speaker 2: and producers, so like, you know, a lot of these
Speaker 2: records were like Ryan Tedder and Livvy Frank and Bow
Speaker 2: Knox and Sean Foreman, Derek like a lot of people.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing about Hit records is like they
Speaker 2: passed through a lot of hands in order to become
Speaker 2: what they need to become. Because when you're adamant about
Speaker 2: the hit, you gotta y gotta do what you gotta
Speaker 2: do to get the hit.
Speaker 1: It had a lot of hits out there. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: when you have.
Speaker 4: Ideas that feel like they could be something, but maybe
Speaker 4: you need somebody else's hands.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the important thing, right.
Speaker 2: So the important thing is that listen, if we got
Speaker 2: some chicken in the fridge. Okay, if you got some
Speaker 2: chicken in the fridge and you take the chicken out
Speaker 2: the fridge and you thaw the chicken out, and you
Speaker 2: put chicken on the counter, and the chicken is sitting
Speaker 2: in the bowl, but you don't know how to season
Speaker 2: and the cook it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta call somebody else to do it.
Speaker 1: Right. You see your flower too?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: You season your flower too?
Speaker 2: Depends on if I'm frying chicken or you know. Okay,
Speaker 2: I absolutely you gotta season. I gotta season a flowery.
Speaker 4: Everybody don't. Everybody don't season they flower, which is wild
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: But we are.
Speaker 2: Next conversation is going to be while we're cooking, because
Speaker 2: I can cook my ass. So yeah, but you know,
Speaker 2: somebody else come and season it, and the thing is
Speaker 2: the person that seasons it might not know how to
Speaker 2: cook it. So now somebody else comes and they actually
Speaker 2: cook it, but guess what, they might not know how
Speaker 2: to serve it. And now somebody else comes to service.
Speaker 2: So we have this, we have this this perspective or
Speaker 2: just this this way of thinking that like somebody's job
Speaker 2: is more important, or every job is equally important, and
Speaker 2: every creative that's a part of the process matters.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's at least how I see it.
Speaker 2: Now, you do have some people out there that d
Speaker 2: and it's like that's on y'all. But I think that
Speaker 2: for me, what has contributed to my career is, Look,
Speaker 2: this whole shit is like a vehicle. I know when
Speaker 2: I'm in the driver's seat, I know when I'm in
Speaker 2: the passenger seat, I know when I'm in the back seat,
Speaker 2: and I also know when.
Speaker 5: I'm not in the damn car.
Speaker 2: Knowing your laane, knowing your position, and knowing how to
Speaker 2: operate in that position when you're needed, don't be.
Speaker 5: A me monster.
Speaker 1: I love being a part of thing. That's it. But
Speaker 1: I think it's also.
Speaker 4: I grew up playing sports from a big family as
Speaker 4: you do. So I think when you have certain things
Speaker 4: that you just grew up not knowing any better, yeah,
Speaker 4: are different, it just becomes second nature to you to
Speaker 4: be like, oh, yeah, well I assisted exactly, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I didn't do it by myself. No,
Speaker 4: And I'm cool with.
Speaker 2: That, and that's okay, and that's okay, It's totally fine,
Speaker 2: and I think that. Look, man, I always say this,
Speaker 2: like when Ego walks in the room, God walks out.
Speaker 2: You can be as intentional as you want to be
Speaker 2: with the creative process. And the creative process does require intention,
Speaker 2: but you have to leave two percent from magic. You
Speaker 2: got to leave two percent for God, like you need
Speaker 2: something that just moves in the air, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And Ego cannot be present during that because
Speaker 2: you will stifle the process.
Speaker 5: You'll stifle it. And I think that again.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm blessed to even if I didn't work
Speaker 2: with certain creatives directly, I'm blessed to even be adjacent
Speaker 2: sent to them. I'm blessed to even have been able
Speaker 2: to contribute to something along with them for our journey
Speaker 2: to even pass. A lot of these are people that
Speaker 2: I grew up like, oh my god, like this is
Speaker 2: such and such, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like, I'm grateful to even be in their path.
Speaker 2: And I'd be a liar to think that I was like, oh, like, man,
Speaker 2: one day, me and that person going to do a record.
Speaker 2: Some of those things seemed far fetched, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And now they're not. Now they've actually become
Speaker 2: a reality. So I'm grateful for those things, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'll never ever stifle the process or like or
Speaker 2: base or even just like downplay people or diminish their
Speaker 2: contributions or try to make something seem like you know,
Speaker 2: there's look, man, there's people out here running around with
Speaker 2: plaques for songs that they weren't.
Speaker 5: Even in the room when it was made.
Speaker 2: So if there's a person in the room and you
Speaker 2: have an idea or an energy or anything, and you
Speaker 2: were there and it actually contribut to this, why would
Speaker 2: we try to rob you of your contribution, no matter
Speaker 2: how big or small. Sometimes one of my favorite stories
Speaker 2: is when Sierra did goodies and it was my cookies
Speaker 2: at first, and they were like, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: this right?
Speaker 1: One word?
Speaker 5: One word going from cookies to goodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gave them the hit for sure.
Speaker 5: So those things are important.
Speaker 2: And I and I think that everybody's role is important,
Speaker 2: you know, And I don't think it's cool to like
Speaker 2: diminish anybody shit like.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna learn how to swim? I'll try. You
Speaker 1: can't have this record and I know how to swim?
Speaker 1: You got it? Listen, tread water or something. You gotta learn.
Speaker 1: You have to learn. You can't.
Speaker 5: No, No, I don't need so I can just keep
Speaker 5: writing about it.
Speaker 1: My god, So swim.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to buy something stupid after swimgae.
Speaker 1: It's coming. I haven't done it yet, no, so oh
Speaker 1: so when you said yet, you haven't even done it yet. Period.
Speaker 5: No, it's coming though.
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do? But come on, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know? What's what's what? Do you feel like? It's crazy?
Speaker 2: Well you want to know, Okay, you really want to
Speaker 2: know the truth. And everybody that follows me knows this.
Speaker 2: I am hell bent on buying a flamingo.
Speaker 1: They so, here's a thing.
Speaker 2: Here's a thing. I learned that a group of flamingos
Speaker 2: are called the Flamboyants. Flamingos. You can't just have one,
Speaker 2: you have to have more than one because they're social animals.
Speaker 5: They eat pink shrimp and that's why they.
Speaker 2: And you have to be either like a zoo keeper
Speaker 2: or have like a specialized I'm fully prepared to become
Speaker 2: a zoo keeper.
Speaker 4: To have it, just have just to have the flamboyant
Speaker 4: as fustele.
Speaker 1: How many youre you gonna get?
Speaker 5: I want like five Q five piece. I gotta have.
Speaker 1: Got in the back.
Speaker 2: It's me in the bagoyance in the bag. And it
Speaker 2: happened because one day I was looking for flamingo to
Speaker 2: shoot something, and I called everywhere around South Florida, and
Speaker 2: one motherfucker kept answering the phone.
Speaker 4: You gotta know what you mean when you say shoot
Speaker 4: up because you keep your little bodyguard.
Speaker 1: I guess gotta make sure you wouldn't having a moment
Speaker 1: like I'm.
Speaker 2: Raising No no, no, no, no no, shoot hey some content
Speaker 2: some content, not some content.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So one motherfucker kept answering the phone, and finally I
Speaker 2: said to him, are you the person that I just
Speaker 2: spoke to three times?
Speaker 5: He goes yeah.
Speaker 2: I said, why do you have all these different phone numbers?
Speaker 2: He was like, listen, man, I'm the only person in
Speaker 2: Florida that got flamingos.
Speaker 1: I said, is that?
Speaker 2: So he goes yeah, and I said so. Then it
Speaker 2: kind of became like this. His name is Spencer. Shout
Speaker 2: out Spencer. He's the only motherfucker that owns flamingos in
Speaker 2: South Florida.
Speaker 1: Shout Spencer.
Speaker 2: Shot flamingo man. But it became like a personal mission
Speaker 2: of mine. I'm like, oh, you trying to monopolize the
Speaker 2: flamingo game. Bet bet, And I'm dead ass serious about this.
Speaker 2: I'm coming for his ass. You think I found out
Speaker 2: that they were called the Flamboyance because I was bored.
Speaker 1: I've been actively researching this.
Speaker 5: I'm finding them flamingos.
Speaker 4: You wait, do you know how much they cost? Once
Speaker 4: you get your license and all that.
Speaker 2: See, the thing is they not that expensive. It's the
Speaker 2: up key. It's like the cares.
Speaker 1: You gotta find these certain shrimp to keep them.
Speaker 2: The shrimp, certain client, all the things like it's it'll
Speaker 2: be fine, though, it'll it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I'm getting you gotta buy all the things. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: the flamingo.
Speaker 5: I'm getting the motherfuckers, okay, mark my word. And when
Speaker 5: I get them, we're coming right back here.
Speaker 4: No, you're not bringing flamingos in here. It's not boring.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, wait, no, this is.
Speaker 5: So, that is what I will be buying.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, five flamingos.
Speaker 5: Five flamingos.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever heard Ruben. Have we heard
Speaker 4: that one before? Okay, we've never heard that before.
Speaker 5: And a candy pint helicopter definitely won't.
Speaker 1: One of those like the cash funny one.
Speaker 4: Remember that, Remember they had the helicopter need a helicopter,
Speaker 4: candy paint.
Speaker 2: Candy paint got to be you know, listen, man, I'm
Speaker 2: from South Florida, baby, come.
Speaker 1: On lightly, I actually respected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta be candy paint. Might put a flamingo on
Speaker 2: the side of that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: See how I'm feeling, See how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: Another amazing artist you work with? Who I love Becky
Speaker 1: g my girl.
Speaker 2: Shout out Becky, shout out, shout out by.
Speaker 4: I can't speak no Spanish, boy, but I'd be like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Becky, so fire man and shout out Deputy and Sada
Speaker 2: and Campaigny, like we did that record together with Becky
Speaker 2: and ud I love that record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, made to the World Cup, Yes, we did. How
Speaker 1: did that feel.
Speaker 5: Amazed balls. It was great. I love that.
Speaker 1: That has to be a crazy.
Speaker 5: But you know, not even you know what's crazy though.
Speaker 2: It was like the world has kind of just been
Speaker 2: like the theme of my year, swim was number one
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: The world has been the theme of my years.
Speaker 5: You know that is a bar it really has that.
Speaker 2: That's been the theme, you know, World Cup, number one
Speaker 2: in the world, the world, the world's been happening.
Speaker 1: I know you're publisher, happy that you don't sell coffee
Speaker 1: no more.
Speaker 4: Shout out to my home girl, Christina, come.
Speaker 1: On, come on.
Speaker 4: Girl.
Speaker 1: Oh that is so dope. Yeah, that's so dope.
Speaker 5: But EPA's fired.
Speaker 2: The album comes out August fourteenth, when Backyard have four
Speaker 2: on their patrona Glitch and oyc that I did with
Speaker 2: all the my same collaborators.
Speaker 5: We are definitely a threat when we get there.
Speaker 1: So do you speak Spanish?
Speaker 5: Winter a little bit, but not that great.
Speaker 2: So it's it's funny because with this process again being
Speaker 2: a student, this is where that you know, growing up
Speaker 2: in Miami or growing up in South Florida because I'm
Speaker 2: from East Merrimar, which Broward don't want us in day,
Speaker 2: don't want us whatever, I'm literally from the border of
Speaker 2: Broward and daycount One side of the street is three
Speaker 2: or five, the other side nine five.
Speaker 5: Oh it's the county line.
Speaker 1: So I read book.
Speaker 5: But growing up.
Speaker 2: Down there, like it's just it's a huge musical soundscape,
Speaker 2: you know. So you grow up with everything reggae, reggae, thon,
Speaker 2: you know, house, hip hop, whatever.
Speaker 5: So I always had.
Speaker 2: Like an ear for things and an understanding of all
Speaker 2: these different like sounds because I grew up in them.
Speaker 2: So being able to go into these rooms, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm one thing I'm really good at is like going
Speaker 2: in a room being observant, being a student and being like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Bet cool.
Speaker 5: So me Insida.
Speaker 2: We have a really she's an incredible writer from Venezuela
Speaker 2: as my girl, but she and I have a great
Speaker 2: little system. So it'll be like I'll know, like, okay,
Speaker 2: I want to say something like hot, like a blue
Speaker 2: flame or something, and I'll be like, sada, how would
Speaker 2: we say?
Speaker 1: So, like how do you say blue flame?
Speaker 2: And I'll be like okay, because I know blue is
Speaker 2: asul flame caliente or fuego callient tastes hot fuego and
Speaker 2: she'll be like, oh uh, fuego assoul and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: cool because so she'll make sure that my Spanish is
Speaker 2: in check, and then she's also throwing out lines as
Speaker 2: she you know, in Spanish. And then there's times where
Speaker 2: I'll throw out an English line and we'll try to
Speaker 2: translate it and she'll be like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: think it sounds better in English. Let's keep it in English,
Speaker 2: or she'll translate it to Spanish and we kind of
Speaker 2: just ping pong like that.
Speaker 4: And this is how you write for the world, guys, girls,
Speaker 4: This is this is she's giving a masterclass. And I
Speaker 4: hope you're paying attention. And I'm not even charging y'all
Speaker 4: for this. You know, she my homie and she pulled
Speaker 4: up on me for free. So now that's that's incredible. Though,
Speaker 4: because I've written songs for a long time, I've never
Speaker 4: written a song in another language. So that's why I asked,
Speaker 4: because if I don't know something, I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 2: But again, like for you, like, let's just say you
Speaker 2: were like, you know what on my bucket list I
Speaker 2: want to I want to do a Latin song again.
Speaker 2: Going back to air, Corossiter. Huh ass you should cap.
Speaker 2: You should go side off for every Latin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's my girl. Shout out to her and Nate
Speaker 2: Nate's fire. Natea is the glue. But the thing is
Speaker 2: when you just know how to go in the room,
Speaker 2: leave your ego at the door. Be a student. Yes,
Speaker 2: don't go in there acting like you fucking know everything
Speaker 2: all the damn time. Be open to other things. Throw
Speaker 2: your ideas out there, don't be afraid. Don't think like
Speaker 2: just because I don't speak the language fluently that I
Speaker 2: don't have anything to say. Say the things. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, and then they can take it and
Speaker 2: flip it. Like if you can, we can write any
Speaker 2: damn thing for sure, Like you know, and once you
Speaker 2: know how to write, you can do.
Speaker 4: Just your process though, is something in my opinion, that
Speaker 4: should be studied. Thank you, because there is there's a
Speaker 4: true process to it. You're everybody does this whole Oh
Speaker 4: vibe vibe vibe, hey man, good luck getting hit records.
Speaker 1: That ship is tough.
Speaker 4: There's a science to this ship, you know, and and
Speaker 4: that is really a big reason I wanted you here
Speaker 4: to be able to break that science down because I
Speaker 4: know that there is something that you have really spent
Speaker 4: a lot of time learning how to do this, especially at.
Speaker 1: The highest level.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and but I also want to know about this music.
Speaker 4: I want to know about Sheik the artists.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because you through this whole year.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a deal and you know they
Speaker 1: was homie.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know, but you know everybody
Speaker 4: called me, you know, tell me about this new project that.
Speaker 5: You got going Welcome to my life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that that means that that means it's
Speaker 4: about to be, you know, fully autobiographic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be chaos and chaos. I'm organized chaos, Okay.
Speaker 2: I told you I'll move every damn where, be all
Speaker 2: over the place. Yes, Listen, when I was in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: You know what my nickname was in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Chek Meach.
Speaker 1: I was in.
Speaker 5: Listen to me. I used to walking to the club
Speaker 5: they like meeting the pitch. Listen. I was at that
Speaker 5: motherfucker spending money like.
Speaker 4: She she she damn that called me the fans earlier.
Speaker 1: So I've been trying to get away from it. But
Speaker 1: now I was on. I was on bull ship.
Speaker 5: And now I'm just about to put it in songs.
Speaker 2: The bullshit I be on but Welcome to My Life,
Speaker 2: the name of the projects. Also the first single that
Speaker 2: we're gonna be running with produced by day Trip, Girl
Speaker 2: on the Beat, Johnny May, the guys. So when I
Speaker 2: got when I have people like offering me like the deals,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 2: do this again, And I was like, fuck it, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do it.
Speaker 5: But for me, huh my shout out, my team, shout
Speaker 5: out Jay why.
Speaker 4: And I my guy shout out to my home girl
Speaker 4: man Tasha Stoff Whoashai Tasha, not the.
Speaker 1: Little one, my girl.
Speaker 2: But you know, I knew that if I was going
Speaker 2: to do this it it couldn't be no bullshit. I
Speaker 2: can't be sitting there pouring my all into everyone else
Speaker 2: just being honest career wise, you know, like giving people
Speaker 2: these big records and all these things and then being
Speaker 2: mediocre with myself. I don't even add up. So I
Speaker 2: was like, how are you going to approach this? How
Speaker 2: what do you want this to be? And I've always
Speaker 2: had a crazy love for just like house and electronic,
Speaker 2: but I'm also very much of the culture. So I
Speaker 2: coined the term hood house hood house house, that's what
Speaker 2: we're calling it. Okay, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm making no music, that's.
Speaker 5: All right, making something, making something that made it out
Speaker 5: of sorry.
Speaker 1: Making or cooking. He's kidding, No, I ain't say.
Speaker 5: But you know so I am djane.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, give us the give us the food run down.
Speaker 4: We're gonna hear some singing too, because you know, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you I'm willing to fight the good fight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I know they're gonna be kicking my ass. She
Speaker 4: don't sing and listen, I don't care. She is amazing
Speaker 4: here because she's amazing, and I hope y'all learned some ship.
Speaker 1: But are you gonna sing on there too? Yes? All right?
Speaker 1: And she's singing on there.
Speaker 5: Ish and it's you know what.
Speaker 2: There is going to be R and B influence, okay,
Speaker 2: because we never leave the culture out.
Speaker 1: Listen. If you sing I say everybody's RB, I'd be fighting.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well it's such a yeah, yeah, getting
Speaker 2: listen that's mine.
Speaker 5: But we're definitely gonna have that.
Speaker 2: It's it's just a very interesting collective of house and
Speaker 2: electronic Miami based, just like all the things that are
Speaker 2: super high energy, very raw, very aggressive, very gritty, and.
Speaker 1: Just what's the style of it? What's the style of it?
Speaker 4: Because you know you you be pulling up, you pulling
Speaker 4: up and listen, you got you got that ship.
Speaker 5: Off light light right now, okay, right right now.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: But for some it's heavy. Okay, I appreciate what I mean.
Speaker 4: I like the drop curl, you know, get your m
Speaker 4: j R and B and I feel about Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Listen, I hate you bad, but so style wise, I
Speaker 2: am so just being Jamaican. I I attribute a lot
Speaker 2: of my fashion influences to just Dance all Culture, Patra
Speaker 2: Queen and add Puck listen, Pat shout out Patra my
Speaker 2: earliest influences. But you know, I think that fashion wise,
Speaker 2: we are going to have a time. Even like with
Speaker 2: hoodhouse is like house is spelled haus, so you can't
Speaker 2: leave the fashion out. So I think like the fashion
Speaker 2: is very experimentative. There's going to be like a lot
Speaker 2: of punk influence, a lot of just like you know,
Speaker 2: high end vault designer influence, like all the things, but
Speaker 2: just in a way still that just feels very free
Speaker 2: and liberated. I don't want this to feel stiff. I
Speaker 2: don't want it to feel limiting. I don't want it
Speaker 2: to feel like something that has to be overthought.
Speaker 5: It just needs to exist, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And so for me, the same as a creative I
Speaker 2: approach any creative process the same where I'm just I
Speaker 2: said it before, I'm just big on not stifling it.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to be like, well, I have
Speaker 2: to be like this, like, listen to the record. What
Speaker 2: does the record call for? What's the character that the
Speaker 2: record calls for? What does it look like to have
Speaker 2: a head piece on? Is it in all black? Is
Speaker 2: it in all red? Is it in fucking feathers? Like?
Speaker 1: What is it that?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean that just do what the
Speaker 2: song tells you to do. Niggas, don't be listening to
Speaker 2: the song. That's y'all problem, y'all. Don't listen to the song.
Speaker 2: Listen to listen to the song. He did the song
Speaker 2: tell you did the song called for a gown and sneakers,
Speaker 2: put it the funk on and stop complaining.
Speaker 1: Do we get it this year? Absolutely?
Speaker 6: Iren monarch Irene Irene, she said, okay, we go right, alright.
Speaker 1: We God holding y'all to that because listen.
Speaker 4: I tried to I tried to get like to get
Speaker 4: you a sneak peek, but you know, it's some business
Speaker 4: that need to get take care of.
Speaker 2: So can we want to make sure you're respective creative
Speaker 2: hood house is going to be a time. It's definitely
Speaker 2: left of things that people are probably used to hearing
Speaker 2: me work on. But you know, I don't believe that
Speaker 2: any artists or paint will one color. So I hope
Speaker 2: that people will be respectful.
Speaker 1: And I've seen some pictures and it's colorful.
Speaker 4: It is colorful you and not listen, you're using the
Speaker 4: whole crayon by you're using extended everyone.
Speaker 5: We're even making colors. Come on, we're going out the sky.
Speaker 1: Other things should making.
Speaker 4: Yeah that you know, before we get to some other
Speaker 4: R and B type ship word on the streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that pee Valley is coming back?
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: You're writing songs and ship for it. It is.
Speaker 2: Listen, pe Valley, the paint is on the way. Shout
Speaker 2: out to coatry Hall my girl. I promise y'all stop
Speaker 2: bullying her. I promise it's Pea.
Speaker 1: Valley's coming, people won't it. That's how this is coming.
Speaker 2: You know, we had a few hiccups and here and
Speaker 2: there and everything, but baby, it is shot.
Speaker 5: It is done, it is signs still delivered, It's gone.
Speaker 1: And if you write them songs already know it's crash.
Speaker 5: I had that was man. P Valley was.
Speaker 2: The process of just the music on that like being
Speaker 2: able to contribute to the music for it. And I
Speaker 2: was also the vocal producer for all the actors that
Speaker 2: had songs on the show, which was so fun and
Speaker 2: just another creative outlet for me.
Speaker 5: But it was great. It was great.
Speaker 2: It is Honestly, this season's gonna blow everybody's mind.
Speaker 5: It is so brilliant.
Speaker 2: It is so brilliant, It's shot beautifully, so many twists
Speaker 2: and turns of surprise. I can't tell y'all everything. All
Speaker 2: I can tell y'all is that it's coming that.
Speaker 1: This year too, ah Ship.
Speaker 2: You know what we're gonna speak. We're gonna speak it
Speaker 2: into existence. Yep, this year, this year, speaking of it.
Speaker 5: Speaking of it to existence.
Speaker 4: I'm just about to start going into a bootleg strip, Clay.
Speaker 4: I'm gon shoot my ohole Peevalley. You know what Jay doing.
Speaker 1: I'm shooting pe.
Speaker 2: Valley, b Valley, be Valley.
Speaker 1: Ship Oh my god, god damn show.
Speaker 5: All right, it's definitely coming all right.
Speaker 4: So we're about to get into the inspirations. You know,
Speaker 4: you know, because I know in my mind all of
Speaker 4: these hits and all this great stuff that you're doing,
Speaker 4: it all comes from R and B.
Speaker 1: This is just what I'm just gonna say. You know,
Speaker 1: that's one of my release influences.
Speaker 4: Go along with it, okay, but it is okay, So
Speaker 4: I want to get into those influences. So our brother
Speaker 4: Tank has sent something in for you, Ruben, can you
Speaker 4: play that for me?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: Your top five five all NB songs. We ain't got
Speaker 3: to know one know, we thought.
Speaker 1: You cann't there wrong?
Speaker 2: This show your.
Speaker 4: Top you.
Speaker 1: Boy, good good, real good boy, good real good. To
Speaker 1: get into the inspiration, oh he good.
Speaker 4: Know of your top five R and B singers and
Speaker 4: R and B songs, We're gonna start with the singers.
Speaker 1: Oh, top five R and B singers, Top five R
Speaker 1: and B singers. Yep, does it matter the era, Nope,
Speaker 1: it's yours.
Speaker 5: Okay. Whitney's my favorite sing Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: Whitney's easily my voice, She's easily, easily, easily my favorite singer,
Speaker 2: I can listen to her all day. I really really
Speaker 2: really love and I feel like she's I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say she's underrated, but I feel that she's not mentioned enough.
Speaker 1: I really love Faith incredible. Faith is incredible.
Speaker 2: Also as a songwriter in Faith a songwriter. We don't
Speaker 2: talk about that enough.
Speaker 1: I singer, songwriter, she is.
Speaker 2: Faith is incredible. I really really really and she fly
Speaker 2: and she's fly and she's and kind of crazy and
Speaker 2: I love it. Faith wasn't having it. Faiths beating bitches.
Speaker 1: The fuck up.
Speaker 5: I love reading play that ship now not a day.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you kicking the door, sometimes you do. So I
Speaker 2: love Faith, I love Whitney. There's singers, well, oh.
Speaker 5: So God.
Speaker 2: I love them both for different reasons. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: group them as one, Casey and Jojo.
Speaker 1: I So I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2: So the reason that I group them as they're gonna
Speaker 2: be one. I don't care what everybody says. So I
Speaker 2: mentioned them because remember what I told you about listening
Speaker 2: to feeling for me, that's Casey, Yes, Casey and and
Speaker 2: incredible singer still, but the aggression in his voice and
Speaker 2: just Jojo, we don't talk about like Jojo on.
Speaker 5: A technical level. Insane is insane.
Speaker 2: And I've always always always loved listen and my sisters
Speaker 2: were huge jo Toasy fans when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and so like I listened to like a lot of
Speaker 2: that like growing up, love them. Let me think of
Speaker 2: somebody that is from like today, that's more like current
Speaker 2: want to do I singer singer singer, because it's different,
Speaker 2: because some people are great singers are not great artists.
Speaker 5: How the fuck did I leave out Jasmine Sullivan?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't leave her out. She's yes, Jasmine Jasmine.
Speaker 2: When she sang I'm in love with another man, I
Speaker 2: wasn't even in a relationship, and I felt that he like.
Speaker 1: Am I am? I? I don't have one man, but
Speaker 1: in love with two people?
Speaker 5: Like my home is drier than a Popeye's bis.
Speaker 1: Do I feel this way? Ship?
Speaker 4: Make sure you at leastberry SODA's something.
Speaker 5: No shatto shatto out here, But Jasmine, I love.
Speaker 1: That's four.
Speaker 5: I have one more.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick somebody. Oh, I mean this
Speaker 2: is an older one, but I love his catalog. I
Speaker 2: listened to it all the time, and I'm up says
Speaker 2: it's Rick James. Rick James yeah, and maybe I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys know his R and B. But no,
Speaker 2: don't do this but Rick James, No, you don't have
Speaker 2: to make no excuses for Rick Rick James.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 5: Special love Rick James so very much, just like I.
Speaker 1: There's so many James.
Speaker 5: I love a lot of older music.
Speaker 2: I listened to older catalogs all the time because there's
Speaker 2: so many There's so many little tricks in the older
Speaker 2: catalogs and a lot of little gems and things that
Speaker 2: you can get from the older cat So I listened
Speaker 2: to a lot of older catalogs.
Speaker 1: But Three Signs is incredible.
Speaker 5: Rick James just as an artist.
Speaker 2: Side he gave Eddie Murphy a here record and died
Speaker 2: and died like the party all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2: Damn girl, hell is wrong with you?
Speaker 4: Nigga need to remake what of those because they partied
Speaker 4: even more than they was back then.
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, but I love Rick James, and yeah I will,
Speaker 2: I will and design Yeah Jane, Ebony eyes, come on,
Speaker 2: Ebony eyes.
Speaker 1: Standing on the top for the Temptation. Yeah, Temptation's sad. Listen.
Speaker 1: He yelled at his friends, he did his uncle. They
Speaker 1: got to it. They got to it.
Speaker 5: I love Rick.
Speaker 2: Rick James is one of my favorite singers. There's some
Speaker 2: amazing like singers out now like and just like artists
Speaker 2: out right now. But that I that I also do
Speaker 2: love like you know, I love Isaiah falls Dust and
Speaker 2: Conrad Florida Boys them down. Yeah, I love them, but
Speaker 2: like I definitely and I listened to a lot of
Speaker 2: like new stuff for sure, but.
Speaker 1: Like top.
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm gonna shut up now.
Speaker 1: It's hard. I have so many No, this is we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't create this for it to be easy. This
Speaker 1: is a very tough and it might change.
Speaker 5: I might walk out of door and be like, damn,
Speaker 5: I didn't say.
Speaker 1: This person, you're absolutely going to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this, and if they asked me this in
Speaker 2: twenty other interviews, I answer might change. They do without
Speaker 2: the with the exception of Whitney.
Speaker 4: That's well listen, if they asked you this is another interview,
Speaker 4: I'm going to sing copyrighting.
Speaker 1: They said you gotta pay Tank and Jay because you
Speaker 1: wasn't doing that ship.
Speaker 4: Okay you would, Okay, So we got our artists, our singers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: top five songs to R.
Speaker 2: And B songs, Yes, Jesus Christ God, it's so tough.
Speaker 2: It's unfair question and it should be.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: Bag Lady by Eric Abad is metaphorically probably the greatest
Speaker 2: R and B song ever written. Metaphorically.
Speaker 1: I'm not you don't get our and yeah, I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna argue about Eric, but.
Speaker 2: I love it metaphorically, like the entire song from top
Speaker 2: to bottom is a bar bag Lady. You gonna hurt
Speaker 2: your back dragging all them bags like that. She was
Speaker 2: never talking about a bag, never talk about that baggage, baggage,
Speaker 2: and it is that is a song that like I'm
Speaker 2: a lyric girl, Like one of my favorite things is
Speaker 2: when I can't sleep at night, is I google my
Speaker 2: favorite songs and I read lyrics like poetry, so that
Speaker 2: that's like a past time of mind. And if you
Speaker 2: really read bag Lady like the poetry that it is,
Speaker 2: that song will give you goosebumps and it'll probably even
Speaker 2: strike up a trauma chord in you, like I'm sure
Speaker 2: you will even that song metaphorically is it is so
Speaker 2: damn incredible, Like I love bag Lady. You should be here,
Speaker 2: Raphael Sadik and di'angelo.
Speaker 4: You knowin I Got Molded just some good and some money.
Speaker 5: What else you got? M That's such an incredible song.
Speaker 2: Rob Elsidic is also one of my He's probably in
Speaker 2: my top three favorite writers.
Speaker 1: Of all greatest whoever list, He's one of the greatest.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 1: I just told him that a week ago. Just told
Speaker 1: him that a week ago.
Speaker 2: I met him in a coffee shop like two months ago,
Speaker 2: like just randomly, and I was like, you know, like
Speaker 2: I try to be professional, and I'm going to be
Speaker 2: professional at all times, but it's certain people that I'm like,
Speaker 2: fuck that shit.
Speaker 5: You don't know you inspired me, damn it. You know
Speaker 5: this shit right listen, you know and love love But.
Speaker 2: That record right there, like R Peter di'angelo, that's such
Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible record. And I don't even know if
Speaker 2: they even realized how much they were like the sound
Speaker 2: that they were even like creating at that time.
Speaker 5: They were just being them. Oh a newer one that's
Speaker 5: like new but not new.
Speaker 2: But I run this record into the floor, and I've
Speaker 2: been running it into the floor for probably seven years.
Speaker 2: CPR by Summer Walker is a special, special, special song
Speaker 2: that is one of the most beautiful songs about being
Speaker 2: pulled from a space of bitterness in love like that
Speaker 2: that record again, I'm a lyric person. How she compared
Speaker 2: getting out of just a space of bitterness to CPR
Speaker 2: and being revived again. I was like, come on, wordplay,
Speaker 2: come on CPR by Summer Walkers in.
Speaker 1: Credib It's a special talent.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 5: I love Summer. I'm a huge fan of Summer.
Speaker 1: Oh this one is.
Speaker 2: This is an older one, but this album is actually
Speaker 2: in my top five of favorite R and B albums
Speaker 2: of all time. All Her Love by Donelle Jones.
Speaker 1: If you know, you know it's that album is arguably, yeah,
Speaker 1: say it.
Speaker 5: Say it because I'm not arguing shit, the.
Speaker 1: Greatest R and B album of the last twenty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, who's arguing Ruben Irean can't remember anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm not twenty five. Who's arguing you that? Alum? Where
Speaker 1: I want to be?
Speaker 5: Listen?
Speaker 2: That motherfucker told this girl he need time to see
Speaker 2: where he want to be And it stood outside the restaurant,
Speaker 2: stalking her while she was on a date. How it
Speaker 2: doesn't get better than that, sweetled deedle deedle whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck outside the damn restaurant window, Go find.
Speaker 5: Out where the fuck you want to be and leave
Speaker 5: me alone.
Speaker 1: Amazing to Eddie f t.
Speaker 5: Fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: What am I on?
Speaker 2: I said where I want to be? But she gives
Speaker 2: me all her love only half the time. Come on,
Speaker 2: bars bars, but yeah, all her Okay, So we said
Speaker 2: all her love. He's a bad lady, we says CPR.
Speaker 2: We say you should be here, and I will pick
Speaker 2: one more, that greatest R and B song. I love this, Okay,
Speaker 2: so this one because he's my favorite writer. This is
Speaker 2: more of like a party song, but it's it's timeless
Speaker 2: for me, and it's a classic, and it's my favorite.
Speaker 1: It is my list.
Speaker 5: I can say what I want rocking that.
Speaker 1: Shit by the Dream It's incredible.
Speaker 5: Fucking Terrrius.
Speaker 1: That sounds incredible because that's the other thing.
Speaker 5: It just never gets old ages.
Speaker 1: It is not easy to write tempo record, No, especially
Speaker 1: in R and B. No, No, it's not.
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing about it is like especially meaningful. Yes,
Speaker 2: it has substance. It's shady at the same.
Speaker 1: Time substance in shade.
Speaker 2: We love substance shade Terrrius. No one does it better
Speaker 2: than mister Terrius. I've never met him. He's on my
Speaker 2: list of people that like to collab with at some
Speaker 2: point in my career. He's a big inspiration of mine.
Speaker 2: Just such a crazy, such a crazy, crazy crazy pen effortless,
Speaker 2: too effortless.
Speaker 5: But yeah, there's my five, and I'm sure there's more.
Speaker 1: But y'all we're sure.
Speaker 5: I know all these songs released every day, damn it,
Speaker 5: that can't all.
Speaker 1: Be in the top five.
Speaker 5: They can't.
Speaker 4: They can't off in the top five. Okay, Now I
Speaker 4: need your votron. Okay, I need you to build the
Speaker 4: ultimate R and B artists. Here are the elements. Okay,
Speaker 4: who's going to Who's gonna be the voice? Who got
Speaker 4: the stage performance? Who got the fly ship on? Who
Speaker 4: the styling? Who has the passion to make you believe
Speaker 4: all of that ship works? And then who's gonna write them?
Speaker 1: You know about to cuss again? Who gonna write them?
Speaker 1: Terry Wright?
Speaker 5: The dream is writing?
Speaker 1: You going in the wrong order?
Speaker 5: Oh damn? Okay? Sorry, first one voice?
Speaker 1: Come on? Who the latest? Who the leads singing ship?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: I just said, lad sing? Who the least sing any
Speaker 1: talking to a Nigga FM Florida.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Sing you know what?
Speaker 2: Okay, we are gonna make our lead singer. I want
Speaker 2: somebody that has technique but still feeling which.
Speaker 1: With your executive because your executive curl.
Speaker 2: Listen, you know, I get this this curl, get the
Speaker 2: going there. Who the fuck I'm gonna be? Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers with technique are like battle rappers, right, so they'd
Speaker 2: be Oh but the lay that I just get all
Speaker 2: right back, But we gotta sell records.
Speaker 1: So much I run, goddamn.
Speaker 2: Running away from the money. But my okay, who's my voice?
Speaker 2: I gotta pick a voice. I gotta pick a voice
Speaker 2: somebody with technique, but that still knows.
Speaker 1: How to deliver, and it can be singing these songs
Speaker 1: for the world.
Speaker 2: Craig sing songs for the world. Oh my god, this
Speaker 2: should not be as fucking hard as it is. I
Speaker 2: hate this question. Oh my god, you know what I
Speaker 2: am going to pick?
Speaker 1: Shit?
Speaker 5: I don't know, Oh god, pick J Balentie.
Speaker 1: Let me say to the that I'm definitely not editing
Speaker 1: that neither.
Speaker 5: No, you're not. Okay, you the first one ever said
Speaker 5: me me, Yay, I'm going with Jay Valentine.
Speaker 1: Damn it, I'm going with j Valentine, right who you
Speaker 1: going with? For real? Okay?
Speaker 2: Damn all right, but I wiggled my way out of
Speaker 2: that one. You know what I'm going, I'm going, Okay.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, if I let you go with me,
Speaker 4: that means they're gonna be telling me I gotta put
Speaker 4: out an album.
Speaker 1: So and I get enough of that abuse. I don't
Speaker 1: need it. It's like me and p Valley.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh yeah, yeah, I get that. Okay, I am
Speaker 2: going to go, all right, girl, pick somebody. Damn it,
Speaker 2: Who do I love right now? Who?
Speaker 1: Who? Who? Who? This is stupid?
Speaker 5: This shouldn't be this hard.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I hate this.
Speaker 1: You gotta have to edit all of this. This I
Speaker 1: help you. It's gonna be music under you. That's what's
Speaker 1: going to help you. Dude.
Speaker 2: Okay, R and B that could sell, But see who
Speaker 2: I have in mind. I don't think she's technically R
Speaker 2: and B.
Speaker 1: She's not your singer. Is your singer? You just pick
Speaker 1: a singer, Yes, your singer is your singer? All right,
Speaker 1: I'm going with you. Know what I'm going. Chloe, Chloe
Speaker 1: is very talented. I'm going Chloe and can sing her
Speaker 1: face off. Yes, Chloe can.
Speaker 2: And Chloe's not She doesn't run from feeling Chloe's Chloe
Speaker 2: is gonna go feeling.
Speaker 5: She's gonna give you that. I'm gonna go Chloe.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, okay, So who's so Chloe voice. Who's
Speaker 4: gonna be the stage performance?
Speaker 2: Stage performance, stage performance? We are going to go who
Speaker 2: has been you know what? We'll go Victoria money on
Speaker 2: the stage. Yeah, yeah, people go Victoria money on stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah that Victoria ain't fucking a nobody.
Speaker 1: Come on the Jaguars.
Speaker 5: She's not fucking around at all at all.
Speaker 1: If you've seen her on this tour with them, post
Speaker 1: been posting, let me tell you something.
Speaker 5: This every what she was doing to get paid. Have
Speaker 5: you one of your back up you know what happening?
Speaker 1: It's not Nope, not not the Valentine.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I will come hang out with you, but
Speaker 4: I'm not coming to We're gonna no back up there
Speaker 4: and saying that.
Speaker 1: Nope, just not happening. We're going Victoria for okay, for sure,
Speaker 1: Victoria for stage styling. Who's gonna put the fly sh
Speaker 1: it on? Styling? Styling?
Speaker 5: Styling styling?
Speaker 1: Who can we dress up ass for Halloween?
Speaker 5: So you don't even want to see my allween, you're
Speaker 5: gonna die.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be hilarious.
Speaker 2: But let me see styling, styling, styling, styling, who has
Speaker 2: been correct?
Speaker 5: Mm, she's not.
Speaker 1: Hip hop R and B R No, yeah, listen, stylin styling.
Speaker 5: We're going dojah on style Doojah is this? You know?
Speaker 5: We're going dojah? We're going is.
Speaker 1: Partially R and B. She is those you can fucking say, she.
Speaker 2: Can sing, she can rap THOSEA is one of the
Speaker 2: greatest artists of our time right now, like and not
Speaker 2: even just right now.
Speaker 5: She's one of the greatest artists.
Speaker 1: And she fully commits.
Speaker 5: Yes, she understands errors.
Speaker 1: That is important.
Speaker 2: People don't understand eras the way that Dojah like understands errors.
Speaker 2: But style, we're going.
Speaker 4: I love dot okay, And now who got the passion?
Speaker 4: Whos gonna make us believe that this artist is the
Speaker 4: greatest voutron of all times.
Speaker 5: The passion, the passion, the passion, the passion for passion.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is a good one.
Speaker 5: Passion ship not to edit this one too?
Speaker 1: Damn, fuck damn, fuck damn.
Speaker 5: The passion. Who has the passion right now?
Speaker 2: Hm?
Speaker 1: Hm, damn you don't have to be right now of
Speaker 1: all time?
Speaker 2: Who got the It could be anybody. Yeah, okay, you
Speaker 2: know what we want to talk about passion. We want
Speaker 2: Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1: H every now and then.
Speaker 5: I got so many theories on Bobby, so many.
Speaker 1: I catch myself on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Watching Bobby Brown performances either at awards shows, live and
Speaker 4: such and such, and I am so entertained.
Speaker 1: I love Bobby Brown. Brown is a national treasure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you want to know something crazy like she
Speaker 2: makes barbecue, so he does. Like even with Chris Brown,
Speaker 2: for example, I love a huge about.
Speaker 1: The Brown name.
Speaker 5: Something about the.
Speaker 4: Brown name Brown, Chris Brown, Bobby Brown, Jane, Orlando Brobby
Speaker 4: or Orlando is Orlando Brown?
Speaker 1: Who gonna win the fight? Orlando Brown or ray J?
Speaker 1: They about to fight for real, They about to have
Speaker 1: a celectrity box about you know what. It's random, but.
Speaker 5: Ray J might lose just because Orlando. I don't know
Speaker 5: if you can knock a crack it out?
Speaker 1: What is he a cracky.
Speaker 5: He's something.
Speaker 1: I just know, motherfuckers that be on that ship. You
Speaker 1: ain't knocking him out. I hope he crack it might not.
Speaker 1: I don't know him. It might be something, so I
Speaker 1: hope not. But I love Bobby. I think that.
Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is that like even with
Speaker 2: Chris Brown and in all his greatness when but like Michael,
Speaker 2: Michael Michael, and yes we see the Michael influence.
Speaker 5: But there's a lot of Bobby Brown in there too. Yes,
Speaker 5: there's a ton of Bobby Brown in.
Speaker 2: There, even the career like the ye, the bad boy,
Speaker 2: the controvert, like all the things, like yes, like for sure,
Speaker 2: Bobby's that guy. Bobby was like, who give me this
Speaker 2: mic and get the fuck out of my way? Bobby
Speaker 2: did what the hell he had to the guy.
Speaker 1: Out his business?
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, who's gonna write the song dream a right?
Speaker 4: Because we said to him earlier, but I want you
Speaker 4: to say it again. Nood I forgot Yeah, Okay, we
Speaker 4: need hits, that's what we got. And he got hits
Speaker 4: on top of good lord.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he breathes its like he just takes a breath.
Speaker 4: Hit.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: Okay, we know one more thing before I let you
Speaker 4: out of here. Okay, and don't act like you weren't prepared,
Speaker 4: because I know you know, I know you know what.
Speaker 4: What's what's on the way, play of jams, plenty of jamser.
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no nature, saying no names, saying no names,
Speaker 3: ain't saying no name.
Speaker 4: What you did?
Speaker 1: Don't say? She ain't saying no name.
Speaker 4: We've arrived. We've arrived. We have arrived at this very
Speaker 4: very important part of this show.
Speaker 1: Lord.
Speaker 4: A lot of people will say it's their favorite part
Speaker 4: of the show. What I've heard in the streets the
Speaker 4: name of the game. I ain't saying no names. Will
Speaker 4: you tell us a story funny or fucked up? Are
Speaker 4: funny and fucked up? The only rule to this game
Speaker 4: is she can't say no name.
Speaker 1: I won't, Lord, what they doing out here? What you what?
Speaker 1: You didn't do? What you inexperienced out here? Oh Ship?
Speaker 1: Because you didn't tell me some funny ones before I did.
Speaker 5: There's some there's some funny ones, but you know some
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 1: It's like, I can't the dance is yours?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, what's the fun Do I have a funny one?
Speaker 1: I fucked up?
Speaker 2: Damn?
Speaker 1: Are so funny as fucked up? So fucked up? It's funny?
Speaker 1: You see what I did that, Oh Ship? This is
Speaker 1: oh man?
Speaker 5: See I got some good ones. But they probably watch
Speaker 5: a podcast.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, bitch, ain't saying your name, Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: So one time I.
Speaker 5: Called to the studio to write some R and B
Speaker 5: records and I was like, okay, So I get to
Speaker 5: the studio and there's like.
Speaker 1: Fifteen street niggas in the room, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, for R and B, that all cool, all good,
Speaker 2: and I just, you know, I walk in there, it's
Speaker 2: all good. So you know, again, me with myself, when
Speaker 2: I go in rooms, I'm just very observant, and especially
Speaker 2: when I see too much of one thing, I'm paying
Speaker 2: very close attention to my surroundings. So the person that
Speaker 2: that was leading the session, I guess he was a
Speaker 2: little under the influence, so he started kind of getting
Speaker 2: a little like demanding to the room.
Speaker 5: It's like, bring me to Hookah, come over here and
Speaker 5: take it back and bring it over there.
Speaker 2: And this poor intern is getting ran ragged, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, I feel so bad for
Speaker 2: this person. So we go in the in the booth,
Speaker 2: and which I don't even like booths to begin with,
Speaker 2: but we're in the booth and because we're writing and
Speaker 2: freestyling and writing a little bit at the same time,
Speaker 2: and it's fifteen, it's just it's a lot going on.
Speaker 2: So the other producer could hear me saying the lines
Speaker 2: to this writer and he goes, why don't you just
Speaker 2: let she record it? And I don't know who or
Speaker 2: what told him to say that, but that, for whatever
Speaker 2: reason triggered this person and he goes, what the fuck.
Speaker 1: You just told me to do?
Speaker 5: And I was like.
Speaker 2: Sitting in the back and I'm like, he gotta be joking.
Speaker 2: So everybody's laughing, oh ha ha ha. His dude storms
Speaker 2: out the booth, looks at the in turn that.
Speaker 5: Is like, go in there and get the hookah because
Speaker 5: he's got the hookah in the booth.
Speaker 2: This is obnoxious behavior going there and get the hookah.
Speaker 2: It goes thep to the producer and it's like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck you just fucking told me to let this
Speaker 2: girl record? And they're like, bro, she's feeding you the
Speaker 2: lines like just let her do it, motherfucker.
Speaker 5: You can't fuck it down me how to ride a song.
Speaker 2: And this and that, and they're going off and then
Speaker 2: I'm looking and I'm like, oh, there are firearms in
Speaker 2: this room, and there are tension. Tension is like raising,
Speaker 2: and I'm texting my whole boy, what are my really
Speaker 2: close friends. And I'm like, hey, I'm about to exit
Speaker 2: left because I'm not doing this. And they're literally arguing
Speaker 2: back and forth like two babies, all because one person
Speaker 2: told the other person to just let me.
Speaker 5: Record the reference. So I was just like, hey, you know,
Speaker 5: you can record the reference.
Speaker 1: I don't have to do it.
Speaker 2: But by this time it's already up, so the other
Speaker 2: producers trying to calm the situation down, the other men
Speaker 2: that are in the room. That's when I realize, oh,
Speaker 2: y'all don't even fucking write songs.
Speaker 1: Y'all just here.
Speaker 2: So it was just like tension was just getting super
Speaker 2: super high there are well, one person was arguing, the
Speaker 2: other one is like laughing at the situation.
Speaker 5: Mid argument, he's like, and.
Speaker 1: Where's the hookah?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. At
Speaker 2: this point, you still screaming for this day of hookah. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I'm like, y'all, we're in here writing R and B.
Speaker 2: I don't know a single R and B song that
Speaker 2: requires hookah, guns, arguments and any of this energy, but
Speaker 2: I know that I'm about to get the fuck on,
Speaker 2: like I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a new era of R and B.
Speaker 2: It's a new era of R and B. And honestly,
Speaker 2: this is like a light story. But they they ended
Speaker 2: up like call me down and everything. They ended up
Speaker 2: calming down and stuff. But that did not stop me
Speaker 2: from getting the fuck on. Needless to say, these R
Speaker 2: and B songs never came out. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if these R and B songs were ever even the.
Speaker 1: Hookah records would never drop.
Speaker 5: The Hookah records were never dropped.
Speaker 2: They they never came out, but it was It was
Speaker 2: pretty hilarious because it was a pretty big writer and producer,
Speaker 2: and the producer was even just so puzzled, like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is even happening here?
Speaker 1: Is Hookah.
Speaker 5: Legend?
Speaker 3: Has it?
Speaker 5: It's still on the way you left because I fucking
Speaker 5: got the hell on.
Speaker 1: Oh man, poor kid.
Speaker 2: And I just looked at the intern before I walked out,
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, honey, you know you don't have
Speaker 2: to deal with this, right, Hey, when people are mean
Speaker 2: the interns.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's just not cool.
Speaker 5: But yeah, there's something light.
Speaker 2: I have other stories, guys, but you guys are gonna
Speaker 2: have to wait like another twenty thirty years before I
Speaker 2: could tell those No, it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be tough.
Speaker 5: You already got them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we sat in the studio in day.
Speaker 5: You got a lot of tea. Yeah, but that's that's
Speaker 5: the one I got.
Speaker 1: The other ones are I love it. That's funny. That's
Speaker 1: really funny.
Speaker 2: It's actually it's like, I know, the firearms make it
Speaker 2: sound serious, but it's Atlanta whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Drake, I.
Speaker 4: Already knew it was Atlanta when you said too, he
Speaker 4: said to hookah r and b hookah.
Speaker 5: Guns Atlanta easy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there we go. That's what I got. This
Speaker 1: has been amazing. I had a blast and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you pulling up on me. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: Really cool and I'm glad that you were here to
Speaker 4: give this type of information. Yeah, because people need to
Speaker 4: from the young oh male.
Speaker 1: Female.
Speaker 5: Need it.
Speaker 1: They need this.
Speaker 4: They need to hear how this is really done and
Speaker 4: the process of it, all the sacrifices of it, all.
Speaker 1: The acceptance, the putting your ego to the side. It's
Speaker 1: a big part of it. This is a huge part
Speaker 1: of how this really works.
Speaker 4: Instead of being the person that's on the sideline talking
Speaker 4: about all these people are evil, I can't get my shot,
Speaker 4: and you had your shot.
Speaker 1: And you weren't open to it. You didn't allow it
Speaker 1: to come into your life. You didn't listen to God.
Speaker 5: No obeience is a big part of it.
Speaker 2: And also like just in closing line, you know we're
Speaker 2: wrapping up and everything, but the bottom line is like
Speaker 2: nobody is going to give you shit, right and even
Speaker 2: if they do give you shit, you still have a
Speaker 2: job to do, you know what I mean. Even if
Speaker 2: there is somebody that is kind enough or gracious enough
Speaker 2: to extend something to you, they can put you in
Speaker 2: the room. What you do when you're in there, that's
Speaker 2: all on you. Nobody can't, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like these hits on right themselves. You want them to
Speaker 2: write you to hit and give you the credit, doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. Show up and show out.
Speaker 5: You have to show up and show out.
Speaker 2: And you know, just if you run into a situation
Speaker 2: where you feel like, you know, I've been done wrong
Speaker 2: or these people aren't fair to me or whatever, just
Speaker 2: remember Eddie Murphy and Will Smith don't have a movie together.
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta work with them, and you'll still be successful.
Speaker 2: And you know what, God bless them, maybe they'll still
Speaker 2: be successful too. It's okay. You don't got to wish
Speaker 2: people bad. You just go find your circle of people, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know, and you'll be fine. But you know that
Speaker 2: whole saying, I have this thing where I'm just like people.
Speaker 2: You say things and people say, oh, that's cliche, But
Speaker 2: cliches are only cliches because everybody says it. But if
Speaker 2: everybody says it, it must be true. So when they say, like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't get easier you get better, that is cliche
Speaker 2: as the sounds.
Speaker 5: It's the truth. This shit doesn't get easier.
Speaker 2: The further and further that you go, the bigger the
Speaker 2: records get, the more crazy the politics get, the harder
Speaker 2: it gets. But you do get better at learning how
Speaker 2: to navigate the bs and learning to like not take
Speaker 2: everything so personal, not like they're out to get me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. People, if someone's a fuck
Speaker 2: the person, just a fuck a person, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, It's not always personal to you, And all
Speaker 2: you know to yourself is like, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 5: Have to deal with that.
Speaker 2: But the people that you do do good business with,
Speaker 2: keep them, protect them, keep those relationships, relationships, keep those relationships,
Speaker 2: protect them with your life and even if you have
Speaker 2: like two or three or four people that you're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, every time we get in, we make magic.
Speaker 5: We're making money you need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be all right. I love that. Thanks, I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 4: Thanks for pulling up. Protect the Valentine. Okay, protective. I
Speaker 4: don't know from what, but just protect me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm protecting you.
Speaker 5: It's fine. Me and my flamingos were pulling up and
Speaker 5: the bodyguard. Could you imagine that? Me, flamingos and a bodyguard.
Speaker 1: What on the way, it's a movie? Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: is absolutely what you are. You are a movie coming soon.
Speaker 1: The movie's coming soon. Save Valentine. This is a chic.
Speaker 1: You've been tuned into R and B money. We love you.
Speaker 1: Don't beat me up in the comments this week. Okay, guys,