1 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukelem and this is a production 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: h F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: gear that's designed to be as rugged as the place 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: as we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. This 8 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: is going to be a good one. This is gonna 9 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: be a good one. It's been a while. I'll tell 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: you who I got around me here, Gary believer in 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: nukemb It's been a while since you've been here. Good 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: to have you back. 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I was fired. 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: Check. 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: We thought maybe you were too, But it turns out 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: you weren't. 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: Well. I told Bart, I said, you know, your daddy's 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: really desperate when he when he causes mena guy up. 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, good, Good to have you back. 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 4: I still got you still got your your retinas or 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: did you burn them out in the in the clips? 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: Say hey, I'm fine, man. I couldn't see good before 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: and I still can't. Yeah. 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: So yesterday was a mina where dad lives was in 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: the path of totality. So we went down there. Pretty 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: incredible experience. We'll talk about that. I'm gonna I'm gonna 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: skip over my two mystery guests. Bear John Newcom is here. 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Good to see you, Bear, good to be here. You 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: ready to you ready for Turkey season? 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 5: I know you are been doing a lot of scouting. Yep, 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 5: So hopefully we can make it happen this year. Yep, yep, yep, yep. 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: Got Josh Lambridge Spillmaker here to my left. I'm here, 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: see Josh. Josh and I were wearing the same hat. 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: We didn't coordinate, but we got the same first light 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: hat on. It's a good looking hat. 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 6: It is a good looking hat. 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: I want to make a hat like this with a 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: bear grease patch. 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 6: I'd wear the heck of that. 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: Our guests, though, I've got Luke Naylor. Why don't you 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: introduce your position, Luke with the arkansassion. 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 7: I'd be happy to do that. Yeah, I'm the Wildlife 43 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 7: Management Division Chief of the Arkansas Game. 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: Management Division Chief chief, and so you you oversee for 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: the Arkansas game and fish all the different like the 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: all the turkey projects, bear projects, deer projects, duck projects. 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: You're all those biologists and people's correct oversight. 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 7: Yes, we've got real simply, we're divided up. We've got 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 7: about fourteen I think what we call program coordinators, which 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 7: what what I used to be is a waterfowl program 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 7: coordinator or bear program coordinator. Turkey, all those theologists type 52 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 7: positions we've got, and then also all our wildlife management 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 7: area staff. So we've got seven different wildlife management regions 54 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 7: and several different staff out there doing doing w may work. Yeah, 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 7: along with a whole lot of other things. 56 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: You were the you were theterfile biologist for sixteen years. 57 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: Sixteen years. 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, it's almost two years now since taking the 59 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 7: switch over here to the to an office jockey, I 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 7: guess an administrative role. 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 6: So we get you out of any meetings today. 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I got to cut one short. But let's 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 7: let's make sure our boss didn't hear about that. 64 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Is very important public outreach. 65 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 7: It is very important, and it's talking turkeys. So I'm 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 7: passionate about that. 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Man, I want I want to talk some turkeys. We 68 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: need to introduce our our mystery mystery guest. Luke's been 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: here before. Nathaniel Maddox from Lebanon, Missouri. Not Lebanon, Lebanon 70 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: you'd be tempted if you were just driving through Missouri to. 71 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 6: Say, looking for a case knife. 72 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Where's Lebanon, Missouri? Lebanon? 73 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: So how we spot a newcomer? They said, Lebanon? 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nathaniel is from Lebanon, Missouri. Yep, and uh, 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: tell us what you do man? 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 8: So I'm a filmmaker, own a company called Slatan Glass, 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 8: a production company, and we we've been established in my 79 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 8: hometown of Lebanon, Missouri since twenty fourteen. Moved back there 80 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 8: after starting the company in Seattle, and uh ended up 81 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 8: back on the family. 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Farm, Slaton Glass. So there's a there's a's a that's 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: a turkey hunting. Those are turkey hunting words. 84 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, and their production words as well, like really glass 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 8: for lenses and a slate is the little you know? 86 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: Actually? 87 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: Well is it? 88 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: Was? 89 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: It meant for turkeys though? 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: Both? 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 6: Oh it's a double on. 92 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those artsy Seattle things. Have you 93 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: really been from Missouri, you'd have called it turkey video work. 94 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's right. 95 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 1: But slat and glass double meaning. 96 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 7: I like it. 97 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: So you uh, you've been in full time video production 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: for ten years with your own company. 99 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 8: Since Actually I had a company before that. I started 100 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 8: in twenty ten that I sold to a guy in Seattle. 101 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 8: So since twenty ten, fourteen years okay, yeah. 102 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: So I gotta get this on the table, Nathan. The 103 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: reason I know Nathaniel, we have a mutual friend in 104 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Isaac Neil. But the main reason that your name has 105 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: popped up in my world the last ten days is 106 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: that you your company. You made the film The Colonel 107 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: and the Fox for Massy Oak, which came out April. 108 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: Fourth, yeah, last week. 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that film kyleie Man. When I saw the 110 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: trailer for it, I was with I was in Mississippi 111 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: turkey hunting. I saw the little two minute trailer and 112 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I was just like, that is going to win. I really, 113 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, that film is gonna be good. 114 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: I can tell just from the quality of the trailer, 115 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: but also the content. So Dad, So, Gary the Believer 116 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: has not seen this film. The film is about Toxi 117 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: is the one who started Massy Oak. His father, Fox 118 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: Hayes is how old is mister Fox. 119 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: He's born in nineteen thirty, so do some quick math. 120 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Midninet he's like ninety three, ninety four, ninety two. He 121 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: was so. The film is a documentary about his life, 122 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: but also the documentary of a man named Tom, Colonel 123 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 1: Tom Kelly, who they call the poet Laureate of turkey hunting. 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: He wrote a book in the nineteen seventies called The 125 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Tenth Legion, which is an incredible turkey hunting book that 126 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: kind of shaped turkey hunting culture. And these two guys 127 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: are still alive, and they'd never met, and but the 128 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: story is about them, but it's really about their lives 129 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: and the restoration of the wild turkey and their influence 130 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: on the restoration. I probably should have let Nathaniel. 131 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably might have. 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: Daniel was my guest. He drove down here and he 133 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: never spoke. I just I just looked at him. 134 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 6: And talked about over here, mouthing to you. 135 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: I've known Nathaniel for like eight minutes. Let me tell 136 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: you about this guy. I mean, you know, he's he 137 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: is from Seattle. He's got his uh, what kind of 138 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: shoes are these? 139 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: These are PF flyers? 140 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: See, okay, this is the first is the first. Now 141 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: bars got some interesting shoes too, though that Gary made 142 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: a few comments about these ever the kind of blue shoes. 143 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: But no, it was cool so I could talk about 144 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Nathaniel uh tell us about the film. 145 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, uh, really, it's been an overwhelming past week, 146 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: so try to fair start. 147 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 8: I've been working with Mosoke for for a while and 148 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 8: they it's a company that's been important to me since 149 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 8: I was a kid, because my parents got a satellite 150 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 8: dish in nineteen ninety five and the first thing I 151 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 8: got introduced to was tn N Outdoors and so on 152 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 8: Sunday afternoons, there was all of a sudden these hunting shows, 153 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 8: and Hunting the Country was one that I gravitated to 154 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 8: and watched all the time. So I grew up watching 155 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 8: these guys turkey hunt. They taught me how to turkey hunt. 156 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 8: I live on a cattle farm in Missouri and there's 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 8: turkeys all around me, but I don't know how to 158 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 8: kill them, and my parents don't know how to kill 159 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 8: them or hunt them, and so those guys taught me 160 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 8: how to do it, you know. And so I have 161 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 8: a stack of VHS tapes that I actually recorded. You know, 162 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 8: you hit the play and the record button at the 163 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 8: same time. Absolutely, and uh, all these years later. 164 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, was that a technology hack? 165 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: You just there? You go? Yeah, what do you mean 166 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: you recorded them off of the TV. 167 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 6: You know, you run the TV and the VHO and recorded. 168 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: Statue to limitations. 169 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, there you go. 170 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 8: Uh So all these years later, you know, I'm I've 171 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 8: been working with the n WTF since twenty sixteen, uh, 172 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 8: doing a lot of the content for them because turkeys 173 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 8: have always been a very very important part of my life. 174 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: Turkey hunting has. 175 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: Would you say, turkey hunt is the main thing you're 176 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: interested in out in the outdoors? 177 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, Okay, that's it. I mean slate 178 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 8: in glass, Yeah yeah, And I mean I love some 179 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 8: bow hunting and do a lot of different things, but 180 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 8: turkey hunting is just, for whatever reason, has grabbed a 181 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 8: hold of me, you know, since I was a kid. 182 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 8: So over the years I've gotten to know Toxi and 183 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 8: Daniel and Neil and everybody at Mosioake and done a 184 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 8: couple of commercials, thirty second commercial spots for new products 185 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 8: and things. And they had come to me and said, hey, 186 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 8: we got you know, pop Off Fox and mister Tom 187 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 8: Kelly at camp together and there's a couple guys that 188 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 8: grab some footage, but we're not sure how to didn't 189 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 8: film that part. 190 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: I did not know. So they came. 191 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 8: Daniel and Neil came to me like maybe a year ago, 192 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 8: and they said, we've kind of got this collection of footage. 193 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: The camp was one of them. 194 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 8: We've had a couple of other interviews with Tom Kelly's 195 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 8: daughter and a couple other people, and asked if I 196 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 8: would kind of take on the you know, responsibility of 197 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 8: figuring out how to make a story that honored both 198 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 8: of these guys. And started going through that footage, and 199 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 8: then I got really deep into the weeds with putting 200 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 8: together this big storyboard and I'm like, man, maybe it 201 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 8: can be a thirty minute film, but it feels like 202 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 8: there's a lot here. And so I started, me and 203 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 8: my guy started doing more interviews and really decided, you know, yes, 204 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 8: this is a story about these two guys that are 205 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 8: that have been turkey hunting since the nineteen forties and 206 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 8: not too many people can say that, but a lot 207 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 8: has happened since the nineteen forties and America as a 208 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 8: whole in our culture, and so how did not only 209 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 8: this idea that these turkeys were almost gone when they started, 210 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 8: and now we've got, you know, this beautiful thing called 211 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 8: turkey hunting in the population that all of us get 212 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 8: to enjoy. They came through that, but they also came 213 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 8: through World War two and Vietnam and all these other things. 214 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 8: And so my goal kind of became, how do we 215 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 8: tell the story of the wild Turkey through the eyes 216 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 8: of these two guys who are still hunting now, but 217 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 8: also through the eyes of America, you know, like our 218 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 8: culture and how it's shifted and changed over the years. 219 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 8: And it ended up becoming an hour and twenty minutes 220 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 8: instead of thirty minutes. 221 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: And man, what you did there by by connecting the 222 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: restoration of this this turkey to people is really powerful. 223 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that's a key component to 224 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: just all all of our endeavors as hunters. To show 225 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: a non hunting public, which is becoming increasingly important in 226 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: the sustainability of what we do, is that the non 227 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: hunting public understands and it is empathetic towards us and 228 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: sees the real value that we bring in so many ways. 229 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: And man, anybody would watch that film and just be like, wow, 230 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: I kind of get it, you know, because you just 231 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: see these guys who just dedicated their lives to turkey hunting, 232 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: but then you also see the human effort involved in 233 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the restoration of the wild turkey, and specifically these two 234 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: guys in different ways. I mean, like Tom Kelly was 235 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: more influential at a cultural level in writing this book 236 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: that put words and put put some Yeah, just he 237 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: he helped build a turkey hunting culture through this powerful 238 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: work of literature, and then through mister Fox, who is 239 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: more hands on in some ways of getting turkeys brought 240 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: back in and released in the Mississippi. But you just 241 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: see their lives and dad in the film. They it's 242 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: like a documentary in a way about America, Like they 243 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: show World War Two and Colonel Tom Kelly was in 244 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: World War Two, and the shows I don't know, how 245 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: did you? Is that a good description of it? 246 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: I think so. 247 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 8: I mean I feel like in my head, we're all 248 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 8: very unique people, are you know? We all love the 249 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 8: turkey hunt, but that's not all of us, right, Like, 250 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 8: it's not the whole of who I am as not 251 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 8: just a turkey hunter. And I wanted that this film 252 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 8: to show that, and I think that sort of connects 253 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 8: people who maybe not turkey hunters to understand a little bit. 254 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 8: And we had a really cool screening down in Mississippi 255 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 8: and everybody from ostri Oak was there and it was 256 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 8: really fun and they were like, Hey, you need to 257 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 8: do one in Lebanon and I'm going, Man, we've got 258 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 8: like the Rich seven Theater. 259 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: I hope it's still standing kind of thing. 260 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 8: And so we had a premiere last week and two 261 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 8: hundred people there or something, and a lot of them 262 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 8: came out because they were our friends and family, and 263 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 8: but it was it was cool to me so many 264 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 8: people who know that I'm obsessed with turkey hunting, but 265 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 8: they're just kind of like. 266 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: Oh, that's just what this guy does. 267 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 8: He always has coming into coming up to me and 268 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 8: being like I get it now, like it makes sense. 269 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 8: And a couple of people who I never thought would 270 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 8: ever want to hunt were like, I think I'm gonna 271 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 8: I might want to try this. To me, that felt 272 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 8: like a success. You know, people in my community who 273 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 8: were going, I get it, you know. And so if 274 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 8: we could create a piece of content that makes someone 275 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 8: who doesn't hunt or doesn't understand hunting have a little 276 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 8: glimpse into what we're passionate about, then I feel like 277 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 8: we've done something cool. 278 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Have you made feature link films like that? 279 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: Before, not that long. 280 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: No, how long did you work on this? 281 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 8: That's a good question. So I was thinking about that 282 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 8: on the drive up, like how many hours went into this? 283 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,119 Speaker 8: I started really really focusing on it hard early December, 284 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 8: and I think I finished finished at the end of February. 285 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Oh for a while, So this isn't like that. I 286 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: thought it was like a I thought you were going 287 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: to say, since twenty two. 288 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, well we were doing We were doing archiving and 289 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 8: research work probably since June through December. And then when 290 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 8: I finally got what I felt was all the pieces 291 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 8: of the puzzle, started putting it together, and it was 292 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 8: my wife will a test that. There are a lot 293 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 8: of nights when the kids went to bed and I 294 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 8: ran back over to the studio until one or two 295 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 8: in the morning because I have other clients too, But 296 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 8: I wanted to put everything I could into this project 297 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 8: because for me, it's like turkey hunting is the most 298 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 8: special thing that I know of when it comes to 299 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 8: relationships with people. You know that in my faith. Obviously 300 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 8: my faith is first, but but turkey hunting is this 301 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 8: way that I build relationships, that I maintain relationships. I 302 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 8: spend time with people I love and so I knew 303 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 8: this was my opportunity to really like sort of put 304 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 8: that into a story, and I wanted to pour everything 305 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 8: I could into it. 306 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: So what did y'all think about the film? Josh? 307 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 6: I thought it was fantastic. Man. 308 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: I I really appreciated getting to see because I didn't 309 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 4: know all the history of the reintroduction of the turkey. 310 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 4: So I love being able to see all that old 311 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: footage and you know, you get you get the impression 312 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: of you know, you think about market hunting and then 313 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: you think about hunting. 314 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 6: In the in the. 315 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: Around the turn of the century, even into the fifties, 316 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 4: that was you know, you just went out and you hunted, 317 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you hunted anything you could. 318 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: To watch these guys with such a commitment to bring 319 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: it back in the work and I mean even even 320 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: looking at the turkeys that they were releasing, they look 321 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: so scrat you know what I mean. But it's produced 322 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: this thriving population. Obviously population decline in some areas, but 323 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: we still have we have this, We actually have a 324 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: turkey population thanks to these guys. 325 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, even in the woe the current woes of the 326 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: Southeast and specifically here in Arkansas. We still got it 327 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: pretty durned good. I mean yeah, compared to what they had. 328 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, we're all all, you know, bummed out 329 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: about our turkeys here in Arkansas, but that gum, we 330 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: still got it exponentially better than what they had in 331 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: the sixties, forties, fifties, you know, big time dad. How 332 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: aware were when did you kill your first turkey? The eighties? 333 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: No, I think the late seventies. 334 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a polaroid picture you and a guy 335 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: holding a turkey that I remember being your first turkey. 336 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been early eighties. 337 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: How aware were you of the restoration efforts going on? 338 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: Not not too much. 339 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: It's just kind of like there's turkeys and people are hut. 340 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 7: Yeah. 341 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I took a interest in it, and you know, 342 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: learned how to call. You know, when you were a 343 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: little guy. I was always going around the house calling. Yeah. 344 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: So you know that this relates to bear. 345 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 6: Louke. 346 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: How old are your kids? 347 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 7: Almost sixteen and thirteen? 348 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Do they do they do? Some hunting daughters? 349 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 7: Now she's decided she's an angler, now okay, yeah, send 350 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 7: Josh a picture of that little dry Run Creek trout 351 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 7: not long ago. So she got hooked on flyfish and 352 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 7: last something in Colorado where I learned at flyfish. My 353 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 7: son kind of comes and goes on it. We've done 354 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 7: some dove hunts, a few duck hunts, and we'll go 355 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 7: turkey outing this year. A couple of times. He's not 356 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 7: tore up with it, like like Bear seems to be 357 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 7: at this point. But but he's did a little there's 358 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 7: a spark there. 359 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well here this is the reason I asked you. 360 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: That is when I was a kid, baron ukem, Britos 361 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: are ready. The It was like I was like in 362 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: military school to learn how to call turkeys. I remember 363 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: you were just like, you got to learn how to 364 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: call turkey. This is the PhD in hunting, and uh. 365 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: I remember I was so proud of myself because one 366 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: time I was working for buck Titsworth a construction project 367 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: and I saw a turkey and the guy I was 368 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: working for backyard, I was sixteen. I saw a strutting 369 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: turkey like down the hill I'm working, and I had 370 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: a mouth diaphragm call and I walked around the house 371 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: and got on the other side and that turkey strutted 372 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: in and I came home and told Dad about it, 373 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: and he was like, let me hear you call. And 374 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: he was like, Dad, that's okay. I remember you being like, 375 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that'd work on a real wild 376 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: turkey call. And I was like, Dad, I called him up. 377 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a backyard turkey, was a real 378 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: wild turkey. It was a wild turkey, but it was 379 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: in his backyard. But point being, Bar needs to work 380 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: on his turkey call. And I'm gonna bring in the 381 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: Gary Newcomb critique and be like, buddy, you gotta get 382 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: on the way. 383 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 6: You're about to run through the gauntlet, my friend. 384 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's called kill turkeys. But but man, when 385 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: you're down in Mississippi, an eleven year old kid in 386 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: Mississippi can out call grown men in most states. And 387 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: so Bear, we've got a lot of work to do. 388 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember. 389 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: I hope all that made sense. I probably none of 390 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: that may have made sense. It made perfect sense in 391 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: my head. 392 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: Well from my perspective, I could call in a bird, 393 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: but I wasn't that great of a caller. And I 394 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: taught Clay what little I knew, and uh, within a 395 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: week he could call better than I could. I mean, 396 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: he had a natural ability to do it. It might not be. 397 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: Now I'm the best caller meat eater for sure. 398 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, proving anyway you had you had you had 399 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: a knack forward. 400 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, when I go to Mississippi, I don't even call 401 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: when I'm around all those guys in Mississippi, Lake Pickle, 402 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: Jordan Blissed, Keith polk Uh. I hunted with Brad Ferris 403 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: the other day, and there I've just shut up. I 404 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: don't even I. 405 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 6: Don't even call the presence of greatness. 406 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: They can hoot and gobble and yep. I mean it's 407 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: crazy listening to them. 408 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: And that, and that kind of comes back to his uh, 409 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: his his film. Yeah uh, I I've decided that. And 410 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: as much as I you know, I'm prone to be 411 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: very biased towards the state of Arkansas. I believe that 412 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Mississippi is the cultural epicenter of turkey hunting. I believe 413 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: that from I mean, just everybody in Mississippi. Luke has 414 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: written a book about turkey hunting. Hey, if you lived 415 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: in Mississippi, you'd be like, Hey, Clay, Merry Christmas, here's 416 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: a book I wrote about turkey hunting. 417 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 7: Well, one of my best memories ended up living in California, 418 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 7: met a Mississippi boy and we're friends to this day. 419 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 7: And he introduced me to the old Pro Turkey Hunter 420 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 7: book to read every every season. Once I got to 421 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 7: know him, and we turkey hunted together a lot out 422 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 7: there in the coast range and the foothills and such 423 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 7: out and out there, and and he I got. That 424 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 7: was my first introduction to the It was remote from Mississippi, 425 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 7: but it was a Mississippi boy born and raised he 426 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 7: I got. I understood, maybe not fully like like you 427 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 7: have now, but I got a pretty good taste of 428 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 7: what it's like to be alo in his mouth. Didn't 429 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 7: do much al hooton no bard owls out there when 430 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 7: we were hunk, but we'd do it anyway, because I mean, 431 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 7: the turkey's child. But whatever. But I'm not gonna say 432 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 7: that he would win the al hoot contest. But I'm 433 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 7: not going to integrate him by saying, like like you've 434 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 7: done with bears turkey calling here, say that he couldn't 435 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 7: pull it off. 436 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: See dad now is talking good about my turkey hunting. 437 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: All I remember as a kid was it like it was. 438 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 7: No good, like never measure. 439 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, well, the what is the Are we in 440 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: the middle of turkey biologist in Arkansas? Right now? We 441 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: don't have a turkey biologist. 442 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 7: We have one starting Monday, which whenever this comes out 443 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 7: opening day, Yes, I heard. 444 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: If he doesn't call in that day and say I'm busy, 445 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm not him. 446 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 7: You know. I had a guy call me a friend 447 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 7: and I still to this day. He's kind of a prankster. 448 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 7: And he called me up Sunday night, the seventh and 449 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 7: he said, man, I'm gett all my stuff laid out 450 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 7: to go turkey hunting. I let him go on for 451 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 7: about five minutes. He'll he'll listen to this and he 452 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 7: I said, man, you can Are you like, are you 453 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 7: just trying to get a game warding? 454 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: Come find you tomorrow morning? 455 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 7: He said, what do you mean so adult Turkey season 456 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 7: starts the fifteenth, not the eighth. Oh, I say, well, 457 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 7: I'm glad. I'm glad I talked to you and I 458 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 7: still do this moment. Don't know if he was just 459 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 7: pulling my leg, I really don't know, but but yeah, 460 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 7: our new guy starts, uh March fifteenth, March fifteenth, April fifteenth. 461 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 7: He's coming out, he's finishing his PhD. At North Carolina 462 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 7: State Study studying turkeys up in Appalachia. So he'll be green, 463 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 7: but he's coming in and we're ready to have him 464 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 7: hit the ground running and keep things going. That Jeremy 465 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 7: got rolling here for a while, got got a pretty 466 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 7: good stable place here with our turkey management program right now. 467 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 7: We've had some support to kind of keep things stable, 468 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 7: keep our turkey regulations kind of kind of set here 469 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 7: for a while. You know, he alluded to it a 470 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: little bit ago, where it's a good place to be 471 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 7: that we definitely are not at a point where anybody's 472 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 7: worried about losing the opportunity to hunt turkeys anytime in 473 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 7: the near future. We're not going to lose turkey populations 474 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 7: again like we did back you know, nearly one hundred 475 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 7: years ago, eighty years ago now. But we are definitely 476 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 7: in a place, as we all know that we're in 477 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 7: a decline. It's it's uh, maybe at the bottom of it, 478 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 7: I don't know for sure, but but it's definitely gotten 479 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 7: rougher for everybody, for turkeys and for turkey hunters. Uh, 480 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 7: but it is. The good news is it's still still 481 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 7: a lot of opportunity out There's still a lot of turkeys. 482 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 7: It's just not quite as a slam dune boy. Late 483 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 7: late nineties, I myself taught turkey hunter to nobody in 484 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 7: my family turkey under and uh, you know, wanted to 485 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 7: just got passionate about it when I was early teens 486 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 7: and taught myself out of turkey. I probably watched some 487 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 7: of the videos you were talking about, same deal, prim 488 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 7: most true stuff. I don't know when that was started 489 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 7: coming out, but the same audio stuff also from Mississippi. 490 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 7: And it's hard, it's hard to say now that boy, 491 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 7: we kind of learned when it was easy. I think 492 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 7: we're honest if we're honest with ourselves. I think we 493 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 7: did kind of learn when it was easy. Late nineties, 494 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 7: early two thousands, Boy, it was you know, when I 495 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 7: was going to undergrad at to Kansas State. Boy, we'd 496 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 7: go out and duck hunt, duck hunt in the winter 497 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 7: and it was flocks of two hundred plus birds every 498 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 7: every creek bottom, you know. And that's just not the 499 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 7: way it is anymore. Probably for Aunusts probably won't come 500 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 7: back to be in that, but we're still going to 501 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 7: have turkeys. 502 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: What can you lay out like simply the what is 503 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: the turkey. Is there a way to verbalize the turkey 504 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: management plan in Arkansas? And I mean, can you do that? 505 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we're we're always focused on habitat first, right, 506 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 7: trying to continue that's a long term. 507 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: And that's working with Forest Service. And so in Arkansas 508 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: there there's we have quite a bit of national forest 509 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: which Game and Fish works with Forest Service on some 510 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: of that land or all of it. 511 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 6: A lot of it. 512 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: We have state owned land like Arkansas Game and Fish 513 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: WM as. 514 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 7: Correct, which a lot of that's in the Delta, which 515 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 7: is less less it definitely has turkeys, but less so 516 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 7: than the western part of the state, which is the 517 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 7: hill country. Most of that, most of the public land 518 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 7: there is national forest land. We got some awesome large 519 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 7: wildlife management areas and the ozarks and the Washingtaws as well. 520 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: They not that good though. 521 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 6: Uh well, yeah, don't don't come No, don't. 522 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not come here. 523 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 7: But I won't name any names at all because that's 524 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 7: I know better than that. But you know, people still 525 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 7: find places to find turkeys on public land. And yeah, 526 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 7: it's a long term issue to keep managing habitat. 527 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: So managing habitat YEP would be burning. I know there's 528 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of places where you're you're they're planting food plots. 529 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean like specifically for I mean for wildlife. But 530 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: but but turkeys too. What what would be habitat work 531 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: that that gaming fish is managing. 532 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, so long term, we're trying to push habitat toward 533 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 7: desired forest conditions. Desire conditions, So this kind of terminology 534 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 7: we use and habitat management where we have, Okay, here's 535 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,239 Speaker 7: what we think this habitat should be. And e can 536 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 7: debate that for months, but well, let's just take a 537 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 7: look at it. And early a lot of times go 538 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 7: back to the GLO records, what is that General Land 539 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 7: Office or whatever, the early records when first settlement, when 540 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 7: people go to survey trees and they'd go take every section, 541 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 7: they'd assess it. And those records are out there and available, 542 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 7: and they're really really fascinating to look through, and if 543 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 7: you were to summarize it real quickly, it'd say, there's 544 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 7: just way too many trees, which is funny when you're 545 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 7: talking about turkeys. But there's like the whole Boston Mountains 546 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 7: you drive through up in northwest Arkansas. I mean, that's 547 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 7: a second growth forest that was the Washington Records talk 548 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 7: about folks driving covered wagons with never having to dodge 549 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 7: any trees. Right, you take a wagon train through it. 550 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 7: It was so open, wow, so much grass cover. So 551 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 7: most of our forests are two dents, would support fewer 552 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 7: numbers of species. So we're talking about all kinds of critters, 553 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 7: not just the ones we like to hunt, but but 554 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 7: all sorts of different wildlife use this diverse forest ecosystem 555 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 7: that had lots of uh forb and grass and shrub 556 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 7: understory with you know, over story, pine and oak depending 557 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 7: on what slope you were on, and generally just a 558 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 7: lot fewer trees and a lot more fire. 559 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: So the fire do, y'all. So I see quite a 560 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: bit of fire. I've seen quite a bit of burns 561 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: going on this spring in National Forest. Are y'all asking 562 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: them to do that? Or is that Forest Service that's 563 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: wanting to do that for timber management? 564 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 7: Forest Service, I'm not going to speak for them, but 565 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 7: a lot of what they do throughout the country is 566 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 7: fuel reduction fires. So that just it's just they have 567 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 7: an objective to reduce fuel loading. 568 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: So it's just kind of it just kind of happens 569 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: to be that that's good for turkeys too. 570 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 7: It can, and it's it's maximized when there's some sort 571 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 7: of forest management practice done in in cooperation with the fires. 572 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 7: You cut trees, you know, thin out, thin things out, 573 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 7: let some grasses grow up, then develop a burn regiment. 574 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 7: After that, then you kind of you kind of reset 575 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 7: that forest to back to a more diverse better You 576 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 7: might say that's a judgment call, but but a little 577 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 7: better system for lots of critters. Just burning without thinning 578 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 7: has has reduced benefit because it doesn't have the same 579 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 7: sunlight on the ground. The sunlight means diversity, and the 580 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 7: sunlight helps regenerate stuff that may have been shaded out 581 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 7: by an eighty year old oak tree that everybody thinks 582 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 7: is a virgin forest. Maybe right, nobody's ever been here, 583 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 7: human beings never touched its place as well. You know, 584 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 7: most of the records of the Boston Mountains in northwest 585 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 7: Arkansas was prairie. I mean it was it was. There's 586 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 7: a What's p Ridge National Military Park up here is 587 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 7: a good representation of what things probably work looked like 588 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 7: in the Civil War era. Wide grasslands, open spaces, and 589 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 7: most of what was cut over and now just sh 590 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 7: it out by too many trees. But that and just 591 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 7: trying to maintain now. 592 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: That that prong one would be habitat. Habitat, it's always habit 593 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: you there, it's always what would be what would be 594 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: other things like season season dates. 595 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, you try to work on that and and try 596 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 7: to maintain some stable you know, we've had what most 597 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 7: folks would probably consider later turkey seasons here recently in Arkansas, 598 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 7: but some stability in that so we can start to 599 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 7: understand the impacts of different things, whether it's whether it's 600 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 7: wet springs, right, we know we had a bunch of 601 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 7: them in the last ten years that we know aren't 602 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 7: good for ground nesting birds. 603 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: Yep. 604 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 7: But it's hard to tease that out if season structures 605 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 7: are changing a little bit. So and you're starting to 606 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 7: see more states at least talk about and try to 607 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 7: implement later season to start right, More people are going 608 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 7: toward that now because we're and we're doing some neat 609 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 7: stuff that we can hopefully talk about, you know, twelve 610 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 7: to eighteen months from now, about gobbling chronology, looking at 611 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 7: auto autonum us recording units ARUs. You hang them up 612 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 7: in a tree and they just record sound and then 613 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 7: you can go in some algorithm finds out he has 614 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 7: a turkey gobble and you can go check it. So 615 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 7: we're gonna have unbiased data on gobling chronology across the state. 616 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 6: Can you send me some pins. 617 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 7: I probably won't do that, Josh, but I'll make sure 618 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 7: to screen the data before we write a report on it. Now, 619 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 7: that's going to help us understand gobling chronology because you're 620 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 7: really talking about almost on purpose, trying to hit the 621 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 7: second peak of gobling for birds, like let birds get 622 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 7: through that first peak. It's frustrating as a turkey hunter sometimes. 623 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: When they're doing their breed, you hear them doing it. 624 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 7: They're left building, they're hearing building that whole kind of stuff. Boy, 625 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 7: they're noisy. They can be really susceptible to calling at times, 626 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 7: other times not at all. Of course we all know turkeys, 627 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 7: but that that's kind of by design, is to make 628 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 7: sure all that stuff gets done. Then we start going 629 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 7: out and removing removing mails from the population. 630 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: So habitat, season, structure, is there anything else. 631 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 7: And we just keep like the monitoring work to try 632 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 7: to keep making sure we have contemporary information on what's 633 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 7: going on with turkeys. So you know, we've done gobling 634 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 7: chronology work over the years. It's funny with a lot 635 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 7: of things we've done with like dove call counts. There's 636 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 7: been quail and pheasant call counts all across the country 637 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 7: for years. It's kind of funny to watch those trends 638 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 7: over the years and a bunch of old men going 639 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 7: out and doing these surveys. It's funny those industries drop 640 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 7: over time. Well, guys can't hear anymore. So you kind 641 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 7: of like we say, we say biased, but I don't 642 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 7: mean like somebody purposely doing something right. This isn't somebody 643 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 7: faking data. This is just a reality when you have 644 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 7: a human observer. 645 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: If you sent me out there, I would report that 646 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: all the turkeys were to the left. I would be like, 647 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. They were all over while 648 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: if Officer Luke, the turkeys were always to the left, 649 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: no matter where I was standing. 650 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 7: Yeah. Now we have the technology to remove the human 651 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 7: element from it. Yeah, yeah, and so, but we haven't 652 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 7: done a real goblin chronology work for I mean almost 653 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 7: twenty years now, where we systematically had people go out 654 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 7: and run routes with different levels of hunting pressure with 655 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 7: different habitat type, different ecoregions. So now we're working on 656 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 7: this with these ARUs. A lot of states are doing 657 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 7: this now because it's a really cool way to figure out, Okay, 658 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 7: what is the actual breeding krinology if you think Goblin 659 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 7: chronology means great breeding chronology, Like, what is it really 660 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 7: across the country, Because we've all got our own stories 661 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 7: we can tell, but this should be really cool for 662 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 7: a lot of states across the country to have this 663 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 7: information the next several years. 664 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: Wow, So the new guy starts Monday, right when John 665 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Calipari starts for the Arkansas Razorback. 666 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that'll well, yeah, I'm not sure which one 667 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 7: will give me the most press time, will tell? 668 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: Right? 669 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: I was, Okay, I had a little scenario in my 670 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: head when I knew that you were going to be here, 671 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: Luke and uh so, for those who aren't paying attention 672 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: to college basketball, John Calipari from Kentucky is now gonna 673 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: come be the Arkansas Razor Back head basketball coach. And 674 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: there was a lot of press about that. There's a 675 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: lot of mixed feelings in the state about it, and 676 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: I thought, wouldn't it be something if it was just 677 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: as big a deal about who the new Arkansas turkey 678 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: biologist was gonna be in the equivalent of bringing in 679 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: John Calipari though for the game and fish. And if 680 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: y'all had a marketing team doing this, you could have 681 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: could have created this environment like if you'd have brought 682 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: in like Craig Harper or or the Turkey doc like Chamberlain, 683 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,959 Speaker 1: and it'd be like WHOA Chamberlain's leaving Georgia and coming 684 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: to Arkansas, and like people be mad and people would 685 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: be fired up. 686 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 7: It would have been a lot of posts about that. Yeah, 687 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 7: probably gonna have fewer about our about our new Turkey biologists. 688 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 7: I had to guess. 689 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but it was a fun little game in 690 00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: my head. 691 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 7: Well a few minutes. Good luck with Caliborn. They couldn't 692 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 7: get Kansas State's coach. That's my. 693 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 6: Name is you're gonna make me say it. 694 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 7: He's got a last name that's hard to pronounce, David Miskicky. 695 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 7: He's gonna he's gonna get mad at me. It's it's 696 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 7: got a lot of confidents, So David Muskike. 697 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: At some point, yeah, well, uh, you're getting ready for 698 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: Missouri Turkey opener, Nathaniel, Yeah, next Monday, same as Arkansas, 699 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: it is. 700 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's typically fifty in alignment. Yeah, we've already had 701 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: a really good turkey y'all having. 702 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: Pretty good y'all have pretty good numbers of birds where you're. 703 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 8: It's been a lot better this year. I've seen so 704 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 8: many jakes, which has been a huge deal. And I've 705 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 8: got my family farm where I live. I've been hunting 706 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 8: turkey's there forever, so I have a pretty good idea 707 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 8: of how the population is doing, at least in La 708 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 8: Clee County, and it's been really nice to see this year. 709 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 8: And we had a good youth season. My son got 710 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 8: a bird in one of his buddies and just this weekend, yeah, 711 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 8: just this weekend really and then got well good this weekend. 712 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 3: Oh it was great. Yeah, it was a really really 713 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: good weekend. 714 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 8: And then before that, my son and I went to 715 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 8: Florida and got he got his Grand Slam. 716 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 3: So oh, oh really it's a big deal. He's he's nine, and. 717 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 8: Uh, he's been on the road a bunch with me 718 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 8: turkey hunting over the last few years. 719 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 3: So that was a cool, cool moment. 720 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 6: Did you do any turkey hunting when you're out in 721 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 6: the Northwest. 722 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 3: A little bit. Yeah. 723 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 8: Man, as soon as turkey season hit when I lived there, 724 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 8: I was ready to get on the plane and be 725 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 8: in the Ozarks though, you know so because I love 726 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 8: being here in Kansas and just kind of our little spot. 727 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 8: But we go to Wyoming every year, which is my favorite. 728 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: Oh really Turkey out and Wyoming. 729 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, Miriams. We have a spot there. Then we go 730 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 8: and it's close to South Dakota, but uh, I look 731 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 8: forward to that. We usually do Florida and Wyoming and 732 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 8: then wherever else I have to go for work stuff. 733 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: Yea, Luke, are you hunting anywhere out of state this year? 734 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll go to uh we'd kind of make a 735 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 7: loop through Missouri, Kansas and a bread Okay, yep, yeah, 736 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 7: I've been doing that for long. I mean going on 737 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 7: fifteen years. Oh, Kansas side of stuff, and I went. 738 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 7: I had some work trips that worked out very conveniently 739 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 7: several years ago for Nebraska. Then took a little break 740 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 7: in that and then uh uh yeah, so go back, 741 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 7: go back to Missouri. We'll we'll kind of make a 742 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 7: whole make a whole circuit, go there, hunt for a 743 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 7: few days. Go up to Kansas, Nebraska for a few 744 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 7: days drive back. If we want to spend a couple 745 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 7: more days in Missouri, we will. 746 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: We get to hunt all yeah. 747 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well yep, by playing a hunt a little 748 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 7: bit next week. 749 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: You and. 750 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 7: Good question. I will never answer that question. I joke 751 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 7: with a lot of people are like he was like yeah, 752 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, that's not what. 753 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: I thought. 754 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 7: We had an understanding. Yeah, no, no, like to living 755 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 7: people know where our turkey hunt and one of them 756 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 7: will go on that trip with me. So uh, that's 757 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 7: how we treat turkey hunting spots, right. So yeah, but 758 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 7: yeah I public Land in Arkansas, let's just put it 759 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 7: that way. Yeah, public Land in Arkansas. 760 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 4: And then after Turkey season, Luke's getting on the boat 761 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 4: and we're going to go fly fishing. 762 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 9: We'll go fly fishing. Yeah yeah, I'm ready for that. Yeah. 763 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: So the Turkey Stories episodes that we do truly some 764 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes to put together. Mainly just going 765 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: and meeting. I meant I meet, I meet face to 766 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: face with almost all these people. Occasionally, if I run 767 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: into somebody that's uh that has professional equipment and lives 768 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: along lay as the way they felt they record their story. 769 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: But ninety eight percent of the stories I've ever had, 770 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm setting across from somebody in there telling me stories. 771 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: And uh, there's a lot kind of like looking behind 772 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: the curtain and kind of like we did with his film, 773 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: like you may hear a four minute story on the episode. 774 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: I was there with that guy for an hour and 775 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: a half, you know, like talking about turkeys, and you 776 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: kind of just have to like whittle it down. But uh, 777 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: this was the second episode, Uh which which did did 778 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: one story stand out to you? Nathaniel? 779 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 8: I mean, as soon as you start talking about that 780 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 8: Honda big red three wheeler took you had. 781 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: A picture of a big red of Tom Kelly on 782 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: a big red. 783 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 8: That Uh man, that was nostalgic. I was like we 784 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 8: all had those when we were kids, you know. Yeah, Yeah, 785 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 8: that story to me was awesome. Just uh, well he 786 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 8: got shot and then he didn't even tell the guy. 787 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: Did you? Would you have known to David Ellis before 788 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: I know who he is? Yeah yeah, Mississippi boy. 789 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, it's a different it's a different way of 790 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 8: life down there for turkey hunting Misissippi. 791 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 792 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 8: Yeah, Now I thought that story was really and he's 793 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 8: a great storyteller, so. 794 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, he's a pro. I mean, like he 795 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: actually goes around and does like public speaking, so like 796 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: he's told that particular story a lot of times, you know. 797 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: But it was that was while when he first told 798 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: it to me, I actually had to here's here's behind 799 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: the veil. He told the story, and it was unclear 800 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: to me at first whether he was trespassing or not. 801 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: And I was like, wait a minute, this guy just 802 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: told me the story about trespassing, Like I can't use this, 803 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: and I and I and I said, wait a minute, 804 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: were you trespassing? And he was like, no, I wasn't trespassing, 805 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: and he went back and I and I actually edited 806 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: out my question, took his explanation of not trespassing, dropped 807 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: it in to like the climax of the story, and 808 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: you'd never know it. For an editing nerd, it was like, oh, 809 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: that's good. How the sausage just made it yeah for 810 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: real because I didn't want it to. I didn't want 811 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: people to question what had happened. But but it was 812 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: real clear in the story, right like he he crossed 813 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: this big ravine went up, there was bushwhacking. These turkeys. 814 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: He wasn't even calling them because it was last day, 815 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: and he was just like, man, I gotta kill a turkey, 816 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: get shot in the face. Yeah, it's wild. It's a 817 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: scary story. Yeah, scary story, Luke, which which story do 818 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: you like? Well? 819 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 7: I always enjoy listening to Andy. Yeah, tell I can 820 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 7: tell a story like really really well, one thing maybe 821 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 7: going back to last year's you did turkey stories last 822 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 7: year too, right, yeah? Yeah, one thing I've noticed about 823 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 7: all of them and nobody. I don't know if I've 824 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 7: ever heard anybody tell a story about a small turkey. 825 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's always big old gobbler. 826 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: Everyone. 827 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 7: Every one of them was a big old gobbler, every 828 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 7: single turkey story told. But I always enjoyed just listening 829 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 7: to him talk. I always used typically learn a new word. 830 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, which word? Which word was it? 831 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 7: What did he say? 832 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: Tumped? 833 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 4: I was trying to figure how that spelled to you, 834 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 4: m apostrophe d. 835 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: I had multiple people bring that up. It's true, though, 836 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: did that blip on your radar when he said tumped, 837 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: like that would be an unusual word. 838 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,479 Speaker 2: I've heard him talk so much I think, yeah, I didn't. 839 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: It never even crossed my mind. That that was an 840 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: unusual word, and I had many people say they'd never 841 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: heard tumped over. But man, I tell you what Andy 842 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: I said it on the podcast. But Andy is number Well, 843 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: you could be a great storyteller and not be that 844 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: competent in hunting. That's one possibility, which is fun I 845 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: mean that's great. You could also be very competent in 846 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: hunting and not be a great communicator. You could also 847 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: be a good storyteller, competent, but not funny. Andy has 848 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: like all of it. Andy, I'd put Andy Brown up 849 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: against any turkey hunter in the country. I mean, for real, 850 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: his home turf for and everybody is you know, Andy's 851 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: one of these guys. He's not like hunted all across 852 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: the country. I mean, he's just dedicated. 853 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 6: To you're saying skill wise, just for for. 854 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: If you were to say, yeah, for where he where 855 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: he hunts, you just couldn't be much better. Yeah, I mean, 856 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: do you just send out a hundred guys and say 857 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: bring back turkey. I mean there's people that are as good, 858 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: but like, he's just good. But then he's just a 859 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: just a very good story too. And his dang laugh, 860 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: I mean he laughs at himself. Oh, gosh, yeah, Andy, 861 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: what a guy? What a guy? Okay, I keep going 862 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: back to Andy's house in saying, Andy, we're gonna have 863 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: to do it again Turkey story, and He's like, cleve 864 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: about run out of him. I go to his house, 865 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: I heard three new stories I've never heard and actually 866 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: held him back. Any one of those stories would have 867 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: been as good or better than any story that I 868 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: put on there. I mean, it could have just been 869 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: Andy's story time. So I saved him for next year. 870 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: I told her. I was like, I'm just gonna put 871 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: one on and then next year I've got two in 872 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: the hopper that are incredible stories. So anyway, oh Andy, Yeah, 873 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: he's he's a lot of fun. But Dad, which one 874 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: stood out to you? Well? 875 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 2: Well, what impressed me was they were all so good. 876 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 2: The first one I thought, well, this is gonna be 877 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 2: the best. Then the second one, you know, so all 878 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 2: the way through. But Russ's author. I really loved how 879 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: how that came together. I mean, it's unbelievable. In fact, 880 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 2: it's it is unbelievable. But I've heard you talk about 881 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 2: him so much. I mean it happened. Yeah, And then 882 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 2: I finally decided that the Yacht yacht in Poe Daddy, 883 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 2: I forget the story anybody that has those nicknames. I mean, 884 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 2: these are the coolest guys I've ever heard. I mean 885 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,919 Speaker 2: they got the lingo, and I mean when when when 886 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 2: yat Yacht gets to talking, it's like he's in a 887 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 2: road race. You know, after this, you can't even want 888 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 2: to keep up with it. I had to replay it 889 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 2: three or four times, and I go, man, I was 890 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 2: going to try to repeat it in here, But it 891 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,439 Speaker 2: was just amazing storyteller. When you say he's a pro, 892 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 2: he probably wouldn't know it unless somebody told you. But 893 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 2: when you really think about what he's saying, how clear 894 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 2: it was, how entertaining. It was an amazing guy. And 895 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 2: they have names like how many people do y'all know 896 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,399 Speaker 2: they have goofy names like that. I mean, yeah, yeah, 897 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 2: and y'all y'ah daddy And they call Poe Daddy because 898 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 2: you know, he's too cheap, he said, he said, po 899 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 2: Daddy ain't poor, he's just cheap. 900 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: Like we saved ten dollars and get a hotel with 901 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: one bed. 902 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 2: So I guess po Daddy was my favorite. Yeah. 903 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: Uh, David Ellis has to be at the top end 904 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: of natural voice mouth callers like his gobble, just him 905 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: being able to Oh, I mean, there's probably people that 906 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: are better, but not much better. I mean, I guarantee 907 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: you he'd be at the top end of with his alhoot. 908 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: I actually put a video on the TikTok that got 909 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: like one point two million views and it was me 910 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: just standing there saying, David Gobble, alhoot, do your you know, 911 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: yelp and just he just he can just do it. 912 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 6: I love it when that's impressive. 913 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: Sound effects added a lot to the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 914 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: And then the Russ Arthur story. You you mentioned it, 915 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: but all re rehash it. That was an incredible That 916 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: was an incredible story. And Russ oh man, there's never 917 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: been a string on the earth. And Russ Arthur, I mean, 918 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: I love the guy. I mean, and he such history. 919 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: He's the one that told the story about his father 920 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 1: passing away. He was his dad. I think was about 921 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: his dad passed away. I think in twenty fourteen, same 922 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: year lew And Newcomb passed away. And his dad was 923 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: just a significant player in National Wild Turkey Federation over 924 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: in East Tennessee and was one of these guys kind 925 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: of like Fox and Tom Kelly. You know, like I 926 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 1: mentioned it, but you could have missed it. Russ Arthur 927 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,479 Speaker 1: said in the sixties, when they were trapping turkeys out 928 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: of East Tennessee because East Tennessee had some turkeys where 929 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: they hunted and that's the reason they had such a 930 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: hunting culture there. They were trapping their turkeys and taking 931 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: them away. And Russ said his dad would set around 932 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: campfires and evangelize to those guys like, hey, this is good, 933 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: because all the guys were like, they're taking our turkeys 934 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: just like we do today. 935 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 7: Oh. I picked up on that for sure. As a 936 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 7: folk you know, somebody who's in the wildlife management field 937 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 7: and always need really strong advocates like that helping us out, 938 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 7: but not but not part of the crowd. You know, 939 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 7: you'd like, we need those advocates. And I I picked 940 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 7: up on that right off, that that's the kind of 941 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 7: guy we like to have that understands the bigger picture. 942 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: Well just I mean, and a lot of people had 943 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: sight back then obviously that because they were doing it, 944 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: but it was controversial. They didn't know if it was 945 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: gonna work. That's what Nathaniel's film talked about because they 946 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: started catching all these turkeys across the country, and I 947 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: think they did. Did y'all say that there were two 948 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand turkeys relocated. Yeah, between like the 949 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: forties to the sixties. Yeah, their seventies. 950 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,439 Speaker 8: There was the hurdles in there too, and in trying 951 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 8: to figure out how to not break federal laws by 952 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 8: you know, transporting wildlife across state lines. And I think 953 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 8: at one point they decided to get somebody that had 954 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 8: an airplane that they could somehow get around it by 955 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 8: flying them from place to place in the back of 956 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,840 Speaker 8: this guy's private plane. So there were all these different 957 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 8: methods until they could work out with the federal government 958 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 8: how to do that legally. 959 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 960 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 8: But there it was just a bunch of honestly rednecks 961 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 8: who loved the wild turkey that were like, let's figure 962 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 8: out how to do this. Let's take this technology and 963 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 8: make it work. Yeah, pretty cool, boy. 964 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 6: That just reminded me of Yaleville, Arkansas. 965 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 7: Oh wow. 966 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the turkey Colin Top. 967 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I grew up in Yellville and back in 968 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 4: the day. 969 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: You say that as if we should know something about Yellville. 970 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's home of the Turkey Trot. The Turkey 971 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 4: Trot is the annual festival in Yellville and they had 972 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 4: the wild turkey calling content, but not only that year, 973 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 4: in years past and even after it was outlawed, they 974 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 4: would drop turkeys from airplanes in the middle of town 975 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 4: and people would chase these turkeys down. You know, the 976 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 4: festival is in is in October, and people would chase 977 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 4: these turkeys down and take them home and raise them 978 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 4: for Thanksgiving. And I mean turkeys can fly from five 979 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 4: thousand feet. Maybe not so much they sort of plummet 980 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 4: at an angle, but man. 981 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 6: It was a zoo back. 982 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 4: I never did it, but we you know, we'd go 983 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 4: down to the festival and we'd see the plane. And 984 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 4: after they outlawed it, they would tape over over the 985 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 4: end numbers on the side of the airplane so they 986 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 4: wouldn't get busted, and they would drop turkeys. Yeah, and 987 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 4: you see these turkeys and just run through town trying 988 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 4: to get one of these turkeys. 989 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 990 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,880 Speaker 8: We looked at doing a story about it because we 991 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 8: thought it was a cool cultural thing. But then we 992 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 8: learned about the survival rate of the turkeys. 993 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 1: It was not wrong y'all wanted to do a film 994 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: about it. 995 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,919 Speaker 3: I thought it would be cool, like a little history story. Yeah. 996 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,240 Speaker 8: Someone brought it to my attention about Yellville and we 997 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 8: we dug into it and they're like, hey, most of 998 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,240 Speaker 8: them died when they hit the ground. 999 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1000 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I like how you described that as I've never 1001 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 7: heard free falling out of an airplane described as plummet 1002 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,800 Speaker 7: at an angle. 1003 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 6: That's that's kind of what they do. 1004 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 7: They It's a good description. 1005 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 2: And then they tumbled over. 1006 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, then they tumped over, tump tumped over. 1007 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 2: Hey, what about Russ? 1008 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: Well, okay, guarded all that to say to talk about Russ. 1009 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 1: Russ was the undercover agent. Yeah, that worked Louis Dell 1010 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: and Charlie Edwards back in the eighties in Meana, Arkansas. Yeah, 1011 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,399 Speaker 1: that's how I know Russ. And uh so they sent 1012 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: a real turkey hunter in to infiltrate with the real 1013 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: turkey hunters of these guys, you know. But I started 1014 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: all that to tell the story. So Russ told Russ 1015 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: was the guy in the first episode that Turd told 1016 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,479 Speaker 1: about finding the journal of his father and opened one 1017 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: of the journals up the first day. Well, yeah, and 1018 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: so this story to me, in its own way, was 1019 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,759 Speaker 1: equally as impressive that you know, way back in this 1020 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: and it was a wilderness of federal wilderness, no roads, 1021 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: no GPS. They literally carried paper maps with them when 1022 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: they went back in there. Everywhere they went, they carried 1023 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: paper maps. And you know, just the way he told it, 1024 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, he's like, I heard this turkey, and I 1025 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,800 Speaker 1: got up my map and there's a little leg and 1026 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: went to the leg and thought, if I can get 1027 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: to that hickory tree, I can kill that turkey. Gets 1028 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,280 Speaker 1: to the hickory tree, takes his sling off, kills the turkey, 1029 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: tells his dad where it's at, just over the phone, 1030 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: just tells his dad. But they're miles back in there, 1031 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: not a place they know. And the next day his 1032 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: dad goes in there and kills one the same hickory tree, 1033 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: but not on purpose. You know, phenomenal story. 1034 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 2: He came in from a different direction. Yeah, if you remember, Yeah, 1035 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 2: he didn't follow his right foot steps. 1036 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 6: Right, if I can just get to that tree. 1037 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, just get to that hickory tree. Yeah, it was astonishing. 1038 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys used the word bonded. He said, my 1039 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 2: dad and I were bonded. You know, they really like 1040 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 2: operate as one. So it's kind of phenomenal. Deel. 1041 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: So when I saw the film, we had a guy 1042 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: on the first Turkey Stories episode like two weeks ago 1043 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: named Jack Hall, who's ninety two. That's a still turkey hunting. 1044 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: It reminded me of Fox Hayes and Tom Kelly, just 1045 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: that bracket. I mean, I don't know. I wonder how 1046 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,640 Speaker 1: many active turkey hunters there still are that are in 1047 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,959 Speaker 1: their nineties in the country. I had to be less 1048 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,240 Speaker 1: than fifty. 1049 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 3: Can't be that man. 1050 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: I actually heard about another guy in Arkansas. Somebody reached 1051 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 1: out to me when they heard Jack Hall. They said, 1052 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: there's a there's an old guy. I can't remember where 1053 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: he was from. I'm supposed to go talk to him sometime, 1054 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 1: but he was in his mid nineties, still in like 1055 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: good health. Turkey huns, so there's a few around. 1056 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 8: But when I was listening to those stories, it made 1057 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 8: me think about, you know, you've got these guys from 1058 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 8: all over the Southeast, and they all have a different dialect, 1059 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 8: a different accent. You think some people are like, oh, 1060 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 8: a Southern accent is Southern accent, But you could start 1061 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 8: to see oh yeah, yeah, and like mister Fox and 1062 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 8: Colonel Kelly, they have a real distinct Florida Panhandle kind 1063 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 8: of accent. And it just made me think about and 1064 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,279 Speaker 8: wonder how much longer we have of that because most 1065 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 8: of us don't speak like our granddaddies, do you know? 1066 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 8: I think probably TV and all this cultural stuff that 1067 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 8: comes to us every day ruins that, right, because those 1068 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,000 Speaker 8: men grew up and they learned to talk from the 1069 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 8: people that. 1070 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: Are isolated, right, primarily other than probably some television radio, right. 1071 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,959 Speaker 8: But small pockets with different dialects and different accents, and like, man, 1072 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,399 Speaker 8: there's a time ticking on that. 1073 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1074 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: Tom Kelly has an amazing like it's a foreign even 1075 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: being from the South. It's a it's a bud buds. 1076 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 1: How does he say bird? Can you say it? Nathaniel Boyd? 1077 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 6: It sounds like fall horn leghorn? 1078 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really It's really cool. 1079 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 3: Though. 1080 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,960 Speaker 1: Did you do the voiceover? 1081 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 3: I did? Well, you did. 1082 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 8: It was going to be a scratch voiceover and then 1083 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 8: we just left it so oh for real, Yeah we didn't. 1084 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 4: We never settled on it was very soon. It was 1085 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 4: a very soothing thanks. It fit well with the film. 1086 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 8: Well, we kept looking for somebody, and everybody tries to 1087 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 8: sound like a home deep poke commercial, you know, and really, yeah, 1088 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 8: it's like speech if I and had Snoop dog snoop 1089 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 8: to it, and we never found anybody and we just 1090 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 8: decided to stick with it. 1091 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 1: That would have been good. 1092 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 2: Bear. 1093 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,760 Speaker 1: Which ones do that to you? Well, definitely the US working. 1094 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 4: On your calls you want to call, I'm happy to help. 1095 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 5: Definitely the Russ Arthur one was pretty wild, just that 1096 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,399 Speaker 5: they can go back in there in the same tree 1097 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,359 Speaker 5: killed two turkeys. But also the David Ellis one, there's 1098 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,239 Speaker 5: a lot about that story that was like it was 1099 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,240 Speaker 5: crazy like that that the trash passer shot two turkeys 1100 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,959 Speaker 5: with one shot. That was pretty wild that I didn't 1101 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 5: realize that like that would happen. And I was unclear 1102 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 5: did he ever, like did the trash passer ever know 1103 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 5: that he shot him? No, So like that guy's still 1104 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 5: large and has no clue. 1105 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, that and I didn't get I didn't go much 1106 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: past just what David told me, but I asked him, 1107 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: I said, did they did the game and fish like 1108 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 1: go get this guy? And basically nothing ever came of it, 1109 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: Like they didn't even Maybe it's because they didn't have anything, 1110 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: and David just went back to Mississippi and called the landowner. 1111 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,520 Speaker 1: Like David didn't like try to press he did. It 1112 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: just wasn't worth it to him. He was just trying 1113 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: to get back home to Mississippi, probably to go back 1114 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: to work, you know. So he just told the landowner, Hey, 1115 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,839 Speaker 1: there's a dude trespassing, and I got eight pellets in 1116 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,919 Speaker 1: my face. We're headed back to Mississippi and I don't 1117 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like the guy got a ticket, I 1118 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: don't think, because they probably would have had to. I 1119 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: don't know, it just would have been a bigger deal. 1120 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 8: But yeah, I wonder what distance chef to be from 1121 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 8: a twelve games blast to just catch a little bit 1122 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 8: to make you mad. 1123 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: I'd actually like to find out, he said. He said 1124 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: the pellets did not actually like penetrate, and he said 1125 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,760 Speaker 1: he just had little blood spots on his face wicked up, 1126 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: like the bullets weren't in his face. Because I asked him, 1127 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: I was like, how many pellets did you get? Did 1128 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 1: they stick in your and he said it just I 1129 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: mean imagine like getting hit with gravel. 1130 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 6: Just like you know, like a red rider to the face. 1131 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was wild. So how did like, how did 1132 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: his vision go dark? Did it just like? 1133 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 6: Oh? 1134 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: I think he hittic. 1135 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 7: I think he just. 1136 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: I think he just uh probably flinched. Yeah yeah, I mean. 1137 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 4: I mean if you heard last pointed at you like that, 1138 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 4: you probably just yea you you definitely flinch up, you know. 1139 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way I took that. 1140 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 2: How would a game warden react to a guy, you know, 1141 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,959 Speaker 2: he shoots one time at one bird, he kills two. 1142 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 2: I mean he didn't kill. 1143 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,960 Speaker 7: I might have seen it happen. 1144 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, a real real life case that 1145 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 2: I might bring up. I doubt. I mean, what do 1146 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 2: you do? I mean, you can't help it. You just 1147 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 2: see a bird and all of a sudden you go 1148 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,439 Speaker 2: while there was two birds there. 1149 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 7: Yeah. Not not being a game boarden, but working with 1150 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,919 Speaker 7: a bunch of the years just honestly is the best 1151 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 7: policy man. The sooner you can just call somebody and say, 1152 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 7: here's what happened, I think you got a lot better 1153 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 7: a lot better chance and things coming out in your 1154 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 7: favorites better to better to just own up to it. 1155 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 7: I actually worked Kansas had a Yeah, Governor's one shot 1156 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 7: turkey hunt. For years. It was this event held. 1157 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 1: Out that sounds like a good place for two turkeys 1158 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,200 Speaker 1: to get killed one shot shot. 1159 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 7: Exactly, it's a great place. And I was, I was anyway, 1160 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 7: long story, I got a college scholarship through this thing. 1161 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 7: This wildlife artist anyhow was guiding another another different wildlife 1162 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 7: artist to go out on the hunt. And we worked 1163 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,919 Speaker 7: all day on these birds and and finally they came 1164 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 7: in and he he took a shot and you know, 1165 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 7: two went down, Like, well, that's not exactly what they 1166 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 7: mean by a one shot turkey hunt. And you've got 1167 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 7: you know, it's he had one tag whatever, And there 1168 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 7: there was a game warden on site for that event. 1169 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 7: We just kind of it was a unique situation, of course, 1170 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,800 Speaker 7: I mean the Governor's hunt, but but you know, walked 1171 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 7: right in and just talked to him and said, hey, 1172 00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 7: here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna salvage tag this one. 1173 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 1: And he only had one tag. 1174 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:02,880 Speaker 7: He had one tag. 1175 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: So the way for people who might not know, a 1176 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,320 Speaker 1: lot of states have a two bird limit, but one 1177 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: bird per day. So I mean, technically it's it's illegal. 1178 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: And you you write, you're you know, you gotta. 1179 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,880 Speaker 6: Tell me what that means. Lucas salvage. 1180 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 7: If you wanted to, if you felt inclined to pick 1181 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,240 Speaker 7: up a roadkill and take it home and process it, 1182 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 7: I believe one of our game wardens could write you 1183 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,560 Speaker 7: a salvage tag for that. Don't quit. 1184 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 6: One of them will listen to this, and so the 1185 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 6: guy got to keep both birds. 1186 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 7: Call one of them, well, I think one of them. 1187 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 7: They in that case, I think they just probably donated 1188 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 7: as somebody else who was helping with the hunts. I said, hey, 1189 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,480 Speaker 7: here you go. But it's not now it wasn't just 1190 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 7: kind of in limbo and illegally. They're just an unclaimed 1191 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 7: bird laying around at this event, right, It's like, no, 1192 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,760 Speaker 7: it had this is this is a tag bird. We've 1193 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 7: claimed that. Yep, here's what happened. There's a report on it, 1194 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 7: like this is what happened in this situation, and we've 1195 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 7: we've all it's been claimed one way or another. 1196 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an honest mistake that happened. 1197 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 8: Sometimes one of our game wardens Missouri did it and 1198 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,960 Speaker 8: wrote himself a ticket and uh yeah it was in 1199 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 8: the newspaper. 1200 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 7: It just happens, you know. Long enough, one of them 1201 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,479 Speaker 7: is gonna have a head. 1202 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 3: But there's also wrong. 1203 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 8: There's also times where people know that they can just 1204 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 8: report it and they I don't know. I've seen that 1205 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 8: happen a few times. 1206 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 3: My son. 1207 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 8: I've trained him pretty good on making sure those birds 1208 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 8: aren't too close. And we were on our trip to 1209 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,600 Speaker 8: Florida and there was seven birds that came to this 1210 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,000 Speaker 8: giant group. Wow, And I'm like, are you ready? And 1211 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 8: he's like, too close together, Dad, And I'm like to wait, 1212 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 8: it is. But I think it's really important because you 1213 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 8: get in the water of seven and you could take 1214 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,040 Speaker 8: out a big bunch of turkeys with one load. 1215 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 2: You know, you almost have to ride a ticket if 1216 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 2: you see a guy with two turkeys. I mean, I 1217 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 2: mean I could. I could understand it really because you 1218 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,200 Speaker 2: you know, you start letting people go and anyway can 1219 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 2: get out of hand. 1220 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Josh, which story was your favorite? You hadn't gone yet. 1221 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,440 Speaker 6: Know and we've talked about most of them. 1222 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: But I love you can't pick y'all, y'all or Russ Arthur. 1223 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,720 Speaker 6: I love listening to Andy Brown. 1224 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 4: I mean the whole tumped over thing and as soon 1225 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,600 Speaker 4: as he said it, you know that whole motion of 1226 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 4: tumping over. Get it, you get it? Yeah, And so 1227 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 4: I just I love listening to him. He does such 1228 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,840 Speaker 4: a great job with the whole build up of everything. 1229 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 4: You know, he's describing this bird behind the tree, and 1230 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 4: you know, you can just see this mental picture of 1231 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 4: exactly what's going on, and you got them, you know, 1232 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 4: you picture him with the gun leaning over and just over. 1233 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,520 Speaker 4: So that I think that was the one that I 1234 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 4: really enjoyed the most. 1235 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,360 Speaker 1: It was funny when he said, uh, I mean, anytime 1236 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: you're telling the story and just something unusual happens, like 1237 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,440 Speaker 1: he was. He was like, we had to wear a 1238 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,240 Speaker 1: suit and tie to work that day, and so I 1239 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,760 Speaker 1: went out and I was in my in my black slacks, 1240 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 1: white shirt, tie tie, and then you know, just the 1241 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 1: details of I saw a little piece of plyboard out 1242 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: there to sit on it. And then the other time 1243 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: he laughed was when he said when he said the 1244 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: next morning when they went in on that turkey, and 1245 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 1: that turkey apparently had flown up. Uh ye, well, I 1246 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: mean like within thirty yards sitting on that plyboard. And 1247 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: he it took me a time or two listen to it, 1248 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,360 Speaker 1: but he said he looked over and he saw the 1249 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,880 Speaker 1: plyboard and he was actually on the side of the Turkey. 1250 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,880 Speaker 1: Oh do you see what I'm saying, Because if he'd 1251 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,920 Speaker 1: been to thirty yards on the other side of the plyboard, 1252 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,800 Speaker 1: he'd been about sixty yards in Turkey. I think they 1253 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 1: were like on the yard Turkey like he said that 1254 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Turkey was riding above us. Yeah. Yeah, Oh that was funny. 1255 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: That was funny. Yeah, I'd have to say the three 1256 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: wheeler one was was was fun and yeah, two three 1257 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: wheeler res at one time. That makes me want to 1258 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,919 Speaker 1: do a film Nathaniel of Turkey hunting off big red 1259 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: three wheelers. Yeah, how cool would that be? 1260 01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 3: I love it. 1261 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: What if we had, like we're gonna give away a 1262 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: great film ideal, but uh, what if you had all 1263 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 1: your turkey hitting buddies, like five of you on big 1264 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 1: red three wheelers. 1265 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 3: I love it. 1266 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,560 Speaker 4: I mean someone could win a raffle of a big 1267 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,080 Speaker 4: red three at the end. I saw one on Facebook 1268 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 4: marketplace a while back and it was cherry. 1269 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:18,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1270 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 7: I know a guy who runs one co worker and 1271 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 7: friend still got it, still go duck hutting he loads 1272 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 7: up the Is it a joker? 1273 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,640 Speaker 1: Is he? Is it like a real that's all he's got. 1274 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,840 Speaker 7: So that's what he didn't know. 1275 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 1: It's cool because my cousin, my cousin, Sean Marriott, he 1276 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: has one. And Sean is just like a cool guy. 1277 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,480 Speaker 1: He's got like cool four runners and and just kind 1278 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,320 Speaker 1: of like fixes up stuff. And he had one when 1279 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,040 Speaker 1: he was a kid. Am I right caught and Sean 1280 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 1: had my first cousin. 1281 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is an adult I think. 1282 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,920 Speaker 1: And and so he bought one. Is like a throwback, 1283 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, like cool to have an old Yeah, Honda 1284 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,800 Speaker 1: big Red, your buddy. He is trying to be cool. 1285 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 7: Not no, I don't know, he knows how, you know. 1286 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 7: He now, this is just the one his dad bought 1287 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,160 Speaker 7: way back when he grew up in Mississippi too, and 1288 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 7: they had the Big Red. And we're to go duck hutting. 1289 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 7: It's just him and me and want to ride down 1290 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 7: a rice levee. He said, well, I got the I 1291 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 7: got the three wheeler. I said, what do you have 1292 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,040 Speaker 7: a three wheeler? Yeah? He was dead serious, and he 1293 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,880 Speaker 7: loads the thing up. He's got the tires, you know, 1294 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,920 Speaker 7: kind of like those flotation kind of balloon like grip 1295 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,920 Speaker 7: and and uh, it's a it's a quite a difference 1296 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,200 Speaker 7: from today's you know, souped up lifted U TV with 1297 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,040 Speaker 7: the big naisey tires. 1298 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,360 Speaker 1: Like I can't even play in that game. I mean 1299 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: when people dad plays in the eighth the high end 1300 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,960 Speaker 1: uh U t V, U t V market. I'm I'm 1301 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,960 Speaker 1: kind of a mule man. But uh you had a 1302 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: now you had a Kawasaki one ten I mentioned on 1303 01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 1: the podcast. 1304 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was lot of fun, man. And 1305 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 2: I always had a and that I always thought everybody 1306 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,080 Speaker 2: was like me until I got a little older where 1307 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,280 Speaker 2: I just love to jump and run and three you know, 1308 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 2: two wheel of three wheeler, and I'd go to deer 1309 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,640 Speaker 2: camp and I think we'll like, let's go fast, let's 1310 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,800 Speaker 2: write these things. And these guys are like, well, what's 1311 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,080 Speaker 2: wrong with you? But he jeff Nis had a big 1312 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,840 Speaker 2: red and I take my little Kawasaki down there and 1313 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 2: he'd outrun me. And then I got a two hundred 1314 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,080 Speaker 2: yamahall next year when that he could still outrun me 1315 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,280 Speaker 2: and the big yeah yeah wow. And so the next 1316 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:41,000 Speaker 2: year I found a Warrior fifty warriors. 1317 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I he I remember a turkey. There's a 1318 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: picture of you with a turkey laid across that old 1319 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: that first Yamaha three fifty Warrior that you had. Didn't 1320 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: you bend to a shotgun barrel backing that thing into 1321 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:57,240 Speaker 1: a tree? 1322 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 7: You did? That was ben Yeah, remembories getting foggy. 1323 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh boy. 1324 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 2: I love those things and still do you know I 1325 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 2: still it's still one of my major hobbies. 1326 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Hey, did y'all? I mean, the render is a time 1327 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,600 Speaker 1: for me to uh like kind of reflect on the 1328 01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,880 Speaker 1: crash of building a podcast. 1329 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:21,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1330 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Uh, didn't y'all think it was funny when I said, uh, uh, 1331 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: Misty would be like, they don't just stop when I said, uh, 1332 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,280 Speaker 1: it was like a middle aged man in the nineteen 1333 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: eighties walking into a Honda dealership to buy a big 1334 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: red Do you remember when I said that? Y'all don't 1335 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,000 Speaker 1: remember that. 1336 01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:38,680 Speaker 2: I remember that. 1337 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,320 Speaker 1: It was funny. 1338 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 7: It wasn't it funny? 1339 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1340 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: Funny? 1341 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 7: Sure, Yeah, I was saying I was saying. 1342 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I was saying, Uh, I can't even remember what I 1343 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,760 Speaker 1: was saying, but it was funny. 1344 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 6: I go back and listen to it, folks. 1345 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was saying, Uh, someone got suckered into 1346 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 1: something like a middle aged man in nineteen ages walking 1347 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,840 Speaker 1: into a Honda dealership. To buy Grid a middle middle 1348 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: class man, you had to be middle class down one. 1349 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 8: Of those you're talking about Turkey coming in maybe maybe so? 1350 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Maybe so? 1351 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,200 Speaker 6: Was the big Grid a pull start? 1352 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just a. 1353 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,240 Speaker 3: Pull start with I think so. 1354 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,160 Speaker 6: I don't really the one tens. I think we're all 1355 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:15,640 Speaker 6: pull start. 1356 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, I've watched that one be pull starts in the 1357 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,680 Speaker 7: last couple of years. Yeah. The fires right up and 1358 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 7: it purrs. Yeah, it sounds great, it's amazing. 1359 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, they're pretty cool. 1360 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 6: Wow seven minutes. 1361 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Little well Nathaniel. Where can people watch your film? 1362 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 3: It's on MASSI Oak's YouTube channel. It's been up for 1363 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 3: a few days. 1364 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,679 Speaker 1: How many many views have got? Plus? 1365 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 3: Two hundred round two hundred thousand? Yeah, two views? Is that? 1366 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? I watched it like four times, so that's like 1367 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 1: like two percent of the views. Or for me, if 1368 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:56,280 Speaker 1: you have two hundred views, what was the goal of 1369 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,040 Speaker 1: the film? Like when when you were commissioned to make this, 1370 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,519 Speaker 1: where they like, we're going to be happy if this 1371 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,680 Speaker 1: many people watch it. 1372 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,160 Speaker 8: I don't think. I don't think we had any kind 1373 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,679 Speaker 8: of thing in you know, viewership in mind. Everything that 1374 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,759 Speaker 8: that I've been able to do for Maso has been 1375 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 8: less about moving a needle or numbers and more about 1376 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:21,320 Speaker 8: really like solidifying the legacy that they have, you know, 1377 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,760 Speaker 8: and the story of who they want to be and 1378 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,640 Speaker 8: who they are. So we just wanted to tell the 1379 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,599 Speaker 8: story of those two men. And I think even talks 1380 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,120 Speaker 8: and said you. 1381 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,760 Speaker 1: Had a number in your head. Well I caught him. 1382 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,320 Speaker 6: I caught him. 1383 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:39,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1384 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you got to be pretty 1385 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,439 Speaker 1: happy with that. Very I mean, because it's just started, if. 1386 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:44,920 Speaker 3: That's the question. 1387 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, very happy with the numbers. Yeah, I mean it's try. 1388 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,280 Speaker 8: Hunting is a niche market. It's like a community, a 1389 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,160 Speaker 8: small community of people. So we're thinking, you know, if 1390 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,000 Speaker 8: most of the people within that community love it, have 1391 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,280 Speaker 8: see it, get to respond to it. 1392 01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:59,960 Speaker 3: Then that would be a big win. And I think, yeah, 1393 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:00,880 Speaker 3: it's gone beyond that. 1394 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,719 Speaker 1: So I you know, we make a lot of films 1395 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 1: that Meat Eater, and so I'm aside from just loving 1396 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,599 Speaker 1: hunting and telling stories and all these things, I kind 1397 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,160 Speaker 1: of geek out about YouTube stuff, stuff I don't really 1398 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,320 Speaker 1: talk about because it's not that interesting unless you're in 1399 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 1: the locker room. And now I've got nothingiel here. Fellow 1400 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:26,920 Speaker 1: video man no, when I heard when I first saw it, 1401 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be incredible. I wasn't sure how. 1402 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say I didn't think it 1403 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,519 Speaker 1: was gonna do good. But it's just hard to there's 1404 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 1: so many variables, Like you put that film on a 1405 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,840 Speaker 1: small YouTube channel, and if it's the best film in 1406 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: the world, it still doesn't do good because it doesn't 1407 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:50,720 Speaker 1: have a huge YouTube audience that it's feeding it out too. Yeah. Also, 1408 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,040 Speaker 1: you know there's always this thing about a shorter film 1409 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,599 Speaker 1: versus a longer film. You know, is it intimidating for 1410 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: somebody to start off watching the hour and twenty minute 1411 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,519 Speaker 1: So I was kind of thinking, I wonder how it's 1412 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,720 Speaker 1: gonna do. And I was rooting for it big time 1413 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,960 Speaker 1: by watching it and telling people about it. I thought 1414 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,080 Speaker 1: it was a big win that after a week it's 1415 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,200 Speaker 1: got two hundred thousand years. 1416 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,920 Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a huge win. 1417 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,320 Speaker 8: And for me, my work is always slower paced and 1418 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 8: sort of in our social media climate right now, that 1419 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,120 Speaker 8: is not attractive and a certain way to really. 1420 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,840 Speaker 1: So when you were making the film, you you felt 1421 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,160 Speaker 1: like you were kind of bucking the trend of like 1422 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,120 Speaker 1: well just fast paced. 1423 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I'll put I'll put work into a five 1424 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,360 Speaker 8: or ten minute piece that I feel really good about. 1425 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,800 Speaker 8: And sometimes a brand is like, let's do it in 1426 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,200 Speaker 8: thirty seconds because TikTok has got a quick you know, 1427 01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,040 Speaker 8: you got to get to people quick. And I'm like, 1428 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,920 Speaker 8: dang it, I wanted this to land with people in 1429 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,200 Speaker 8: an emotional way. We can't do that in thirty seconds. 1430 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,920 Speaker 8: And so my work is always longer form and moving 1431 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 8: at a slower pace. And so but I just felt 1432 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,040 Speaker 8: after we got done with this, and so did everybody 1433 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,160 Speaker 8: at Mosioak, that there's a place in the in this 1434 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 8: community for something like that. And that's kind of proved 1435 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:02,439 Speaker 8: that that's that's true. 1436 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool cool if. 1437 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,760 Speaker 4: You uh, I was a little bit fascinated with that 1438 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,280 Speaker 4: mister fox uh turkey vests. 1439 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was going for how much should it 1440 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,600 Speaker 3: go for? Thirty one thousand? 1441 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 4: So I they were numbered. I got on eBay to 1442 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,880 Speaker 4: see what it would take for one to acquire one, 1443 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,080 Speaker 4: and there anywhere from two thousand to five thousand dollars. 1444 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to go to the guy that's selling 1445 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:34,840 Speaker 1: that and. 1446 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,639 Speaker 6: Just we're coming after you. 1447 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean you don't get that best and sell it? 1448 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:42,320 Speaker 3: Do you? 1449 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:44,400 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? 1450 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 3: Shouldn't? 1451 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 6: How many were there? 1452 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,200 Speaker 8: One nine and eighty six because nineteen eighty six was 1453 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,759 Speaker 8: the year that I say. 1454 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,760 Speaker 1: So, yeah, yeah, that was a excuse me, that was 1455 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: a cool little little piece. They made a they made 1456 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:04,080 Speaker 1: a turkey vest honoring Fox Hayes and and just sold 1457 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:04,759 Speaker 1: out of them. 1458 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,640 Speaker 4: Like yeah, they thought they were going to just you know, 1459 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,879 Speaker 4: have an inventory to sell, and there was people camped 1460 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,559 Speaker 4: out the night before to get them, and they went. 1461 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,080 Speaker 4: They auctioned one off at NWTF, right yeah, and it 1462 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 4: went for thirty one thousand dollars and all the rest 1463 01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,200 Speaker 4: of them just were gone. 1464 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,720 Speaker 8: It was the number five vest. That's why one of 1465 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,120 Speaker 8: the reasons why I went for so much, because it 1466 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 8: was all the top. Twenty of them were given to 1467 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,000 Speaker 8: close family and stuff, but the number five was was 1468 01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,280 Speaker 8: reserved for the Grand National auction. 1469 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Hey, Barry, go get my turkey vest right there. I 1470 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,440 Speaker 1: want to show you all this. 1471 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,240 Speaker 3: This is a this is a. 1472 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is FHF. This is FHF Gears 1473 01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:52,400 Speaker 1: New h Turkey. It's a Turkey belt. So it's just 1474 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: a it's a belt and you can molly on all 1475 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,840 Speaker 1: your different attachments. So it's got a pouch with all 1476 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:05,280 Speaker 1: my uh you know, calls and shells and gloves and 1477 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,920 Speaker 1: different stuff, but it's got it's it's on suspenders. And 1478 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,200 Speaker 1: then I'm getting a little backpack attachment, just a small 1479 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,960 Speaker 1: backpack attacked. But it's just like ultra lighting to turkey vests. 1480 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,479 Speaker 1: Turkey Hunder's a big into turkey vests. I got my 1481 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,799 Speaker 1: little uh my little slate call Paluch right there in front. 1482 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: But that's like uh minim minimalist turkey vest. Dad, what 1483 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:30,360 Speaker 1: do you think? 1484 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:30,760 Speaker 2: I like it? 1485 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,799 Speaker 1: It's there you go run. 1486 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,960 Speaker 2: Out, have the bird gobbling, and you won't have your 1487 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,040 Speaker 2: little striker. Yeah. I like that. 1488 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:48,400 Speaker 1: That that Yeah. Well, Luke, closing thoughts, what do you 1489 01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,520 Speaker 1: want to tell us about the game and fish? 1490 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,679 Speaker 4: Tell us everything that we need to know about gaming, 1491 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:53,839 Speaker 4: fish and tent everything. 1492 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 7: Thank you for your support. Uh now, yeah, I mean 1493 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,720 Speaker 7: I think turkeys are in a state of flux. We 1494 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,120 Speaker 7: all know that as turkey hunters, and I think it's 1495 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,560 Speaker 7: just as a turkey hunter myself and in a wildlife biologist, 1496 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,800 Speaker 7: it's kind of we're all just gonna have to work 1497 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,400 Speaker 7: through this together, like we're in a new reality, I think, 1498 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,000 Speaker 7: And so I just I just think it's a time 1499 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,000 Speaker 7: for everybody to kind of work together on and realize 1500 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 7: that the new normal is different maybe when a bunch 1501 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,960 Speaker 7: of us started out turkey hunting in and but it 1502 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 7: it could still mean it's good, it can still mean 1503 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 7: it's sustainable for a really really long time. And and 1504 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,840 Speaker 7: so we're just gonna have to keep pushing through to 1505 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,120 Speaker 7: if there's things we can solve, we'll work on solving 1506 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:37,920 Speaker 7: them together. 1507 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Right on, right on. Well, good to see everybody. Thank Nathaniel, 1508 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,040 Speaker 1: thanks for coming, Luke, thanks for coming. Thank you all 1509 01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,639 Speaker 1: the regulars, thanks for coming. You know, my dad should 1510 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,639 Speaker 1: probably get an award. He drives further and more often, 1511 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Brent when Brent's here, Brent drives about actually a little 1512 01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,200 Speaker 1: bit further, and yeah, you'd get second place, Yeah you 1513 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:05,559 Speaker 1: get second place. But no great conversation, guys, And yeah, 1514 01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,679 Speaker 1: check out the Colonel and the Fox on YouTube Masi 1515 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,519 Speaker 1: Oaks YouTube channel, and. 1516 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:13,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. 1517 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:15,720 Speaker 6: We'll see you next time. 1518 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,040 Speaker 3: M