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Speaker 2: questions today. First question comes from listener who wants to
Speaker 2: go by be all right, Queen Bee. Queen Bee says
Speaker 2: Mandy and Tiffany. I'm looking for some career advice. Hearing
Speaker 2: how astute you ladies are, well, thank you when it
Speaker 2: comes to careers. Here's a question for you. I've recently
Speaker 2: taken up a position in February of this year. It
Speaker 2: was a step up both in salary and career prospects.
Speaker 2: It even comes with the benefit of working from home
Speaker 2: twice a week.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: However, after starting the job, it became clear that aspects
Speaker 2: for moving up in the company are slim to none.
Speaker 2: People have worked here for many years and have never
Speaker 2: been promoted. They're stuck in the same place and now
Speaker 2: just a few years from retirement, waiting for that faithful day.
Speaker 2: It's a retirement haven. Everyone is an elderly person, and
Speaker 2: my career is just starting. Not to mention, the company
Speaker 2: is having a hard time hiring others. This means we're understaffed,
Speaker 2: which places a lot of pressure and stress on us.
Speaker 2: It even turned my boss into a major jerk who
Speaker 2: sometimes shoots subliminal shots in her emails and in teen meetings.
Speaker 2: It's annoying, and I already know I can't stay there anymore. However,
Speaker 2: I recently started to network and somehow got connected to
Speaker 2: a job opportunity that has turned into an offer. This
Speaker 2: opportunity is with a large company with a worldwide presence.
Speaker 2: The job allows me to work from home every day
Speaker 2: and has similar benefits. Not to mention, this opportunity is
Speaker 2: already a step up in career growth, as I'm being
Speaker 2: hired into a managerial role. So here's my question. What
Speaker 2: should I do about my current job? How do I
Speaker 2: leave that job without cutting any connections off and seemingly
Speaker 2: quitting on them. I worked and waited a while before
Speaker 2: I got that job in February, and I'm wondering what
Speaker 2: should I do? Okay, b that story has a pretty
Speaker 2: happy has a pretty happy end. We can take a
Speaker 2: step off. You solve your owne damn problem.
Speaker 1: Let's a little soul the simy for me. Come on
Speaker 1: my mandy lil for be.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, well, not only did you you the networking piece.
Speaker 2: I love that because I'm always telling people like, applying
Speaker 2: for jobs is not it. Applying for jobs is all cute,
Speaker 2: but the best job opportunities, especially when you're wanting to
Speaker 2: advance in your career, the juiciest jobs are not on Indeed,
Speaker 2: and they're not on LinkedIn. And I know it's hard
Speaker 2: to hear that because it seems like the game is
Speaker 2: rigged well a teeny tiny bit. There's so much competition
Speaker 2: now for the great candidates out there that jobs are
Speaker 2: waiting before they post. Hiring managers are and recruiters are
Speaker 2: waiting to post jobs because they want to do their
Speaker 2: own recruiting first. They don't want to post on indeed
Speaker 2: and get seventy five thousand, you know, resumes from people
Speaker 2: who are not a good fit. They want to be
Speaker 2: meticulous and intentional with their search. So the fact that
Speaker 2: you networked into a potentially new opportunity like snaps for
Speaker 2: you B, that's amazing. Now, how do I love how
Speaker 2: she said? How do I leave a job and seemingly
Speaker 2: quitting on them?
Speaker 1: Seemingly quit?
Speaker 2: No, you're just actually quitting.
Speaker 1: It's okay. Yeah, quit is not a four letter word.
Speaker 2: People treat quit like it's a four letter word.
Speaker 1: It is word, but I know, to me, it's not
Speaker 1: a cuff, it's not it's not you know, dirty word.
Speaker 2: The level of not even wanting to admit that you quit. Listen, storytelling,
Speaker 2: I feel like is so important and when it comes
Speaker 2: to our careers and explaining why we are leading one
Speaker 2: opportunity for the next, and your story that you've told
Speaker 2: us is a valid reason to be looking for a
Speaker 2: new opportunity. And I would, as respectfully as you can,
Speaker 2: explain that to your boss, explain it to you know
Speaker 2: in your exit interview. What it was about this position
Speaker 2: that did not quite meet the expectations that you had
Speaker 2: when you were hired, and you now have an opportunity
Speaker 2: that does, so why would you leave that opportunity on
Speaker 2: the table. Also, it seems like you have done some
Speaker 2: thinking around like longevity. You know, is there a chance
Speaker 2: that they will actually be able to meet this offer
Speaker 2: and give you opportunities that you can see clearly are
Speaker 2: not available to you. Probably not. So I'm just hearing,
Speaker 2: I'm hearing so many reasons for you to walk away.
Speaker 2: I just think you need someone to give you permission.
Speaker 2: And Tiffany, I think we can give your permission.
Speaker 1: Girl, do it.
Speaker 2: Well, I do have a question magic wond I'm met
Speaker 2: my magic bond. I'm going to give her permission.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, give her my saying all right. So question
Speaker 1: for you, Mandra, do people still do the two weeks? Like?
Speaker 1: Should she do that? Like? Is that still a thing?
Speaker 2: It's still a thing?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: What's funny is like there is nothing written in your
Speaker 2: employment contract that says you have to give two weeks.
Speaker 2: It's called at will employment, which means that when you
Speaker 2: are willing to work, you will work there until you're
Speaker 2: no longer willing to work. And when they are willing
Speaker 2: to have you, they will be willing to have you
Speaker 2: until they're no longer willing to have you. But of course,
Speaker 2: two weeks notice is one way to quit without burning
Speaker 2: those bridges. And depending on the level that you're at
Speaker 2: in your company and whether you manage a team, or
Speaker 2: how potentially irreplaceable or difficult to replace you. I think
Speaker 2: everyone's replaceable, honestly, but if it would be difficult for
Speaker 2: them to replace you, or you are overseeing in major
Speaker 2: projects and you have a lot of responsibilities, the best
Speaker 2: thing to do to ease the blow is to offer
Speaker 2: as much time as you feel comfort so that you
Speaker 2: can help with their transition. So one thousand percent offer
Speaker 2: to help with the transition, whether it's two weeks or
Speaker 2: you know, four weeks or six weeks. I've seen sometimes two.
Speaker 2: But make sure you're firm, I mean, if you're not willing,
Speaker 2: I will say this, A quick way to burn a
Speaker 2: bridge is to quit and then give them or turn
Speaker 2: in your notice, and then they'll be like, well, what
Speaker 2: if we can match it, let me go work on
Speaker 2: this new offer for you, and then for you to
Speaker 2: turn down their competitive offer. At that point, I think
Speaker 2: feelings and emotions and grudges start to form. I think
Speaker 2: you have to go into that conversation sometimes with as
Speaker 2: clear a mind as possible as to whether or not
Speaker 2: they even can compete. You know, is there anything they
Speaker 2: could offer you that would make you stay and be
Speaker 2: clear on that before you walk in. That's that's how
Speaker 2: I would say, because you just don't want to drag
Speaker 2: anyone on.
Speaker 1: My scary self would be like, so I'm making you know,
Speaker 1: or even though I have no intensive of taking it,
Speaker 1: because I feel I would feel scared to say no,
Speaker 1: it's nothing that would keep me. So that's actually really
Speaker 1: wise to be, like, if you know for a fact
Speaker 1: that you really want to be at this other company,
Speaker 1: don't let these people go through the due diligence of
Speaker 1: doing all this work. You know, set the boundaries. I'm
Speaker 1: actually listening to this new book. What's not new? Because
Speaker 1: this book has been exploding. Have you heard this? What
Speaker 1: is it called? Let me see on my let me
Speaker 1: see what my trust? Thee Audible account says it's everything
Speaker 1: is written by a black therapist, because of course she's amazing,
Speaker 1: that's the title. No, No, it's called set Boundaries Finding piece.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this book. It's by Nirdra Glover
Speaker 1: to wob She's on Insta and has like a million followers.
Speaker 1: But she's this black therapist who's amazing, And this book
Speaker 1: came out last year and it's sold already hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of copies. She's going to sell over a million copies.
Speaker 1: I could tell. But it's just really helpful from a
Speaker 1: therapists perspective, obviously about how to set boundaries and what
Speaker 1: it looks like. If you're like, I don't have a
Speaker 1: boundaries issue, and she's like, hmm, sounds like it, but
Speaker 1: it's really good. And I encourage you to get the
Speaker 1: audible verse just because I like listening. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: what it sounds like Mandy's saying is like, you want
Speaker 1: to set clear boundaries, so that way, as the great
Speaker 1: philosopher Wendy Williams once said, straight talk leads to straight understanding.
Speaker 1: You know, like, don't get that whishy why I don't
Speaker 1: know that yeah, that wishy washy oh maybe kind of
Speaker 1: it's like, no, no, if you don't plan on staying, then
Speaker 1: letting them know and that's the only great advice and
Speaker 1: then you know, moving on. Since I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 1: You sound like the young woman who is on the move,
Speaker 1: who so go ahead and be on the move. But
Speaker 1: to Mandy's point, try not to burn those bridges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also focusing on a lesson like and carrying
Speaker 2: that lesson with you into your next opportunity. The what
Speaker 2: you realized about this job, I would argue you might
Speaker 2: have been able to ascertain during the interview process if
Speaker 2: you ask the right questions, and sometimes we do kind
Speaker 2: of talk ourselves into opportunities. It pays more just take it.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that the fact that people at the
Speaker 2: company have been there for you know, years, decades that
Speaker 2: they're I don't want to I don't think the fact
Speaker 2: that people are older should necessarily be a reason to
Speaker 2: be turned off by it, but the fact that they
Speaker 2: stay there for a long time there's not much room
Speaker 2: for advancement, and that there may be a short staffing.
Speaker 2: I think you can definitely ask questions that will give
Speaker 2: you those types of answers in your interview. So I
Speaker 2: think it's a really good reminder of the importance of
Speaker 2: being particular about the types of questions you asked during
Speaker 2: the interview process, so that you really do know what
Speaker 2: you're getting yourself into and you are gently not allowing
Speaker 2: them to put rose colored glasses on or lipstick on
Speaker 2: a pig, whatever the expression is of your choice, and
Speaker 2: hopefully you've done the same for this new opportunity. It
Speaker 2: sounds awesome and you know it's everything that they're not
Speaker 2: giving you. But what questions can you ask? Just so
Speaker 2: you don't end up being in the same position again?
Speaker 1: But you learn is sis you've grown you learning.
Speaker 2: M Well, good luck, I've quit jobs two weeks after joining.
Speaker 2: So you talk into a prop not a single bridge burned,
Speaker 2: not a single one. All right, Well, let's take a
Speaker 2: quick break and be right back with another question. This
Speaker 2: is the ba.
Speaker 1: And we're black with the ba QA with another question.
Speaker 1: I see the name as anonymous, honestly, but actually I
Speaker 1: see a name in here that she basically calls herself
Speaker 1: her Oprah. So we're gonna call you Oprah girl. Mana's
Speaker 1: gonna read and we're gonna just call her Oprah.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mandy, all right, hey, Mandra, and Tiffany. I
Speaker 2: am a black queer postpartum professional.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Does she work with or people
Speaker 1: who have had babies? Or I wasn't sure she just
Speaker 1: had a baby, and that's what I thought. She had
Speaker 1: just had a baby. But yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Let me keep reading. I'm intrigued. I'm a black, queer
Speaker 2: postpartum professional. My work used to fire me up. I
Speaker 2: would stay up late teaching myself new skills, and the
Speaker 2: challenges gave me focus. In my professional circle, I was
Speaker 2: constantly mentoring younger entrants to the field. Folks often noted
Speaker 2: my oprah, and the praises felt so damn validating. My
Speaker 2: career just seemed to flow. That fire is so stifled lately.
Speaker 2: I still feel effective, but my oprah is hardly apparent,
Speaker 2: and I'm scared because I don't know how to scale back.
Speaker 2: I tried cutting expenses, reducing hours at work, and taking
Speaker 2: more vacation days, but I'm just completely blown. My mental
Speaker 2: and emotional reserves are done sis. I need a deep
Speaker 2: recovery from secondary trauma exposure. How does someone work less
Speaker 2: and still write all those bill checks? Have you experienced
Speaker 2: a season where you still felt deeply rooted in purpose,
Speaker 2: but your personal and individual devotion was just let me
Speaker 2: pronounce this correctly tired brown heart Oprah anonymous Oprah.
Speaker 1: So, First, when did you pays real quick, Like, I
Speaker 1: think that she's calling herself Oprah. Because I have this
Speaker 1: thing that I do with my mentees light Plug. You
Speaker 1: would be my mentor, my minte. You can go to
Speaker 1: my mentor tipnique dot com. I'll be mentoring, especially women
Speaker 1: in business and entrepreneurship. It's ten bucks a month tile.
Speaker 1: So I have this thing that we talk about all
Speaker 1: the time with my mentees called to illustrate your Oprah.
Speaker 1: That means just illustrate your value in a way that's
Speaker 1: so undeniable you cannot be denied, you know. So for example,
Speaker 1: when I first used to start speaking, and people wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay me, and they're like, oh, we don't have the budget,
Speaker 1: and so at first I believe that, and then I
Speaker 1: would see them paying other people and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you just don't want to pay me, And I could
Speaker 1: get mad, or I could say that's because you have
Speaker 1: not illustrated your Oprah. Because I bet you if you
Speaker 1: were Oprah, they pay you. And it's true, of course
Speaker 1: they would pay the three hundred, five hundred and five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars if I was Oprah. So I started this phrase,
Speaker 1: illustrate your Oprah, bring your undeniable value to the table,
Speaker 1: and you know, then people will find the funds. So
Speaker 1: I think that I just wanted to just put that
Speaker 1: out there. So it sounds like a postpartum so she
Speaker 1: said secondhand trauma. So maybe she's helping people with postpartum
Speaker 1: and that's why she's experiencing the second hand trauma.
Speaker 2: Ex coach me se, Yeah, she says, secondhand trauma. That
Speaker 2: could very well be. You know what this sounds like
Speaker 2: to me is when you are so nervis driven as
Speaker 2: a professional, and I see this happen with so many
Speaker 2: of my coaching clients. You give so much away and
Speaker 2: you have all the energy you need in the early
Speaker 2: parts of your career, and eventually you get worn down
Speaker 2: and eventually you break and you you can't do it
Speaker 2: anymore because the pace that you were working at originally
Speaker 2: was never sustainable, Like you were never going to be
Speaker 2: able to hold that up. And it does feel good,
Speaker 2: and I have I have been there in my career
Speaker 2: for sure, where you know, I have this like breaking moment.
Speaker 2: I had this this breakdown, you know, halfway into my
Speaker 2: into my new job as a senior content director or
Speaker 2: I was managing a team and building it from scratch,
Speaker 2: walk into my off I think I've told the story before.
Speaker 2: I walked into my boss's office, you know, and close
Speaker 2: to tears, like I can't do it anymore because I
Speaker 2: had been doing the work of like five people or
Speaker 2: more for two years, just trying to make it work,
Speaker 2: thinking I had to do it alone, and it felt
Speaker 2: really good the first year. By year too, I was
Speaker 2: ready to quit. I wanted to cry my boss's office.
Speaker 2: I just hadn't figured out how to ask for the
Speaker 2: help that I needed. And I think that that is
Speaker 2: a it's a really important skill to learn early in
Speaker 2: our careers so that you don't end up getting yourself
Speaker 2: to that breaking point, and that you recognize we can't
Speaker 2: let ourselves to. Your point about boundaries being being open
Speaker 2: to setting boundaries before they're needed. Yes, you know that's
Speaker 2: hard because everything feels fine, you feel great.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm making it work.
Speaker 2: You don't need a boundary.
Speaker 1: You will do it for your future self. Yep, your future.
Speaker 2: What's a if the Oprah is your best self. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the opposite of Oprah is.
Speaker 1: But well, my Wanda is my old my future old
Speaker 1: Lady Southwanda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we for a do it for your future, old
Speaker 2: lady's self. But yeah, I mean, unfortunately that seems to
Speaker 2: be what happened. Now, how can you scale back and
Speaker 2: find that re you know, find that energy again? This
Speaker 2: is when and the point of burnout for you is
Speaker 2: so deep. A vacation ain't going to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna come back in a few days
Speaker 2: and just the same problems, the same lack of boundaries
Speaker 2: are going to be waiting for you. It has to
Speaker 2: go deeper than that, if it's such, if it's so
Speaker 2: tough for you, one thing that you could look into
Speaker 2: is taking a mental health leave of absence. If you
Speaker 2: work for a company and your employer offers leaves of absences,
Speaker 2: you can actually get a note from a medical professional.
Speaker 2: It can be your primary care physician or a therapist
Speaker 2: saying that you are unable to work due to mental
Speaker 2: health strain or whatever their language is. I've seen clients
Speaker 2: do that, and sometimes you may get paid for it.
Speaker 2: You may have to take short term disability, which is
Speaker 2: a cut and pay could be like sixty percent. You
Speaker 2: work with postpardon people, so you know, when we give birth,
Speaker 2: typically we're only getting paid sixty percent because we're suddenly
Speaker 2: disabled anyway, another conversation another day. But taking a mental
Speaker 2: health leave of absence, if you can get some sort
Speaker 2: of pay, can help with that, and hopefully that will
Speaker 2: give you the time you need to recharge. But think
Speaker 2: about I love my friend Marisa. She always says that
Speaker 2: sometimes we give too much to people who really are
Speaker 2: not asking for that much, you know, and starting to
Speaker 2: practice doing less because we can, and not overachieving every day.
Speaker 2: Everything does not require one, Like, some things can be
Speaker 2: just okay. Marisa, what does she say? She's like, she
Speaker 2: was like, delight them with the bare minimum. Sometimes they
Speaker 2: can be delighted with the bare minimum. This is when
Speaker 2: I was doing my consulting project, my early consulting days,
Speaker 2: and she's like, listen, beabe, these power points, these decks
Speaker 2: that you're making yourself do. Did they ask for it?
Speaker 2: I know, but I want to impress them, No, delight
Speaker 2: them with the bare minimum. I got to ask her
Speaker 2: for the exact quote, but yeah, it's too many of
Speaker 2: us giving one hundred and ten and that ten percent
Speaker 2: adds up, girl, mm hmm and adds up.
Speaker 1: And where is you down? I'll add to this, like
Speaker 1: especially the part about have I experienced a season when
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still rooted in purpose, but yeah, just
Speaker 1: now I'm in that season now. After Jirell passed away,
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: cannot go back to that Tiffany, who was always on,
Speaker 1: always gave one hundred and ten percent. I physically cannot
Speaker 1: do I don't have it in me. And so it
Speaker 1: forced my hand to reimagine what life looked like because
Speaker 1: I had told myself that less equaled lazy, and that's
Speaker 1: not true that like, oh, girl, if you could be working,
Speaker 1: like what you doing sitting on the couch, what are
Speaker 1: you doing relaxing? You took a walk? Why girl? Because
Speaker 1: you know you could do this? Is this And I'm
Speaker 1: still struggling with it with it because certainly there are
Speaker 1: days who where I'm just like, oh, maybe I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I'm like like, so, for example, like my Patreon, right,
Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, my aim was a thousand people
Speaker 1: by the end of the year. We got a thousand
Speaker 1: people within twenty four hours of it launching. So then
Speaker 1: I was like, well, old Tiffany was like, well, then
Speaker 1: five thousand by the end of the year, and I'm
Speaker 1: like sis, you set a thousand by the end of
Speaker 1: the year because you wanted to make at least one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars after they're eight percent feet or whatever
Speaker 1: they take. Because you wanted to fund Molly Moore your
Speaker 1: children's book project, which is, you know, a passion project,
Speaker 1: and you want to fund it, not out of pocket.
Speaker 1: You wanted to make just enough to fund it, not
Speaker 1: to stress yourself out. And now you don't put this
Speaker 1: new If I could do five thousand people the death thousand, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I had to really dive back and say, you got
Speaker 1: your thousand. Now we're at like fifteen hundred, but we're
Speaker 1: growing really slowly, and I have to constantly check myself
Speaker 1: not to overachieve it. It's like, you're fine, you made
Speaker 1: enough for the initial goal. You don't. Actually, less is
Speaker 1: not lazy. You can sit down. So something that has
Speaker 1: helped me you asked a question of how do you
Speaker 1: do less while getting these checks, is that it sounds
Speaker 1: like you've already illustrated your open Now what I do
Speaker 1: is and I'm very adamant about getting my money, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: before you know, so, my keynote was fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: but it's been fifty thousands since like last year, maybe
Speaker 1: the year before. Wasn't nobody really paying, you know, you
Speaker 1: just be putting that up there, like fifty. Oh you
Speaker 1: want to do twenty? Okay, okay, cause you're like twenty
Speaker 1: is good money now, No, no, it's fifty. I had
Speaker 1: a big brand come to the other day. They were like, ooh,
Speaker 1: we don't have the budget. I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I wish you well on your search for someone who's
Speaker 1: not fifty because I'm fifty. Oh well, can you know
Speaker 1: now maybe they said forty five, maybe I'd be like, eh,
Speaker 1: but it's fifty. And they were like, oh, I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll call me when you got it. Because guess what
Speaker 1: the brand before that, and the brand before that, and
Speaker 1: the brand before that and a brander because I have
Speaker 1: been illustrating my open for fifteen years, it's fifty. And
Speaker 1: so they came back the next day and said we
Speaker 1: found it. And I could tell they wanted me to
Speaker 1: be excited. I wasn't because it was fifty. Because if
Speaker 1: you didn't pay the fifty, guess what the next one
Speaker 1: was gonna cis you better lock in that date with
Speaker 1: a contract. And they did. And guess what, Because I
Speaker 1: had five brands in a row, say fifty, with relatively
Speaker 1: little pushback, I said, fifty is too low. I'm sixty
Speaker 1: five now. Yeah. Just on Friday, I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: five brands in a row, fifty, this at fifty two? Quick,
Speaker 1: I had that one sounds about right, well, I put,
Speaker 1: I put that sixty five. I said, let's see. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know, like, once I get
Speaker 1: two or three people at sixty five, by the end
Speaker 1: of the year, I likely will be at seventy five.
Speaker 1: Four a keynote, I got a.
Speaker 2: Good gut for randomly choosing numbers for things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I love a good guy. Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I do. Were I'm like, I don't know it, Uh
Speaker 1: make it thirty. So I just say all that just
Speaker 1: said it sounds like, so I don't know where you work,
Speaker 1: maybe you need to lean in and ask for a
Speaker 1: raise for the current work that you're already doing. To
Speaker 1: Mandy's point, So one of the things I'm learning in
Speaker 1: the Boundaries book that's really good is delegation. You know, like,
Speaker 1: to Mandy's point, are you are you giving more than
Speaker 1: what people are asking? She talks about that doctor doctor
Speaker 1: Nidre talks about that are you delegating and something that's
Speaker 1: really important that I fall victim to. Are you holding
Speaker 1: yourself hostage to the old you like and to say like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I said that nineteen eighty five that I will
Speaker 1: do all the email I have to do for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. And she's like, at any moment
Speaker 1: in time, you can create a new boundary and say
Speaker 1: y'all need to get on board. Don't think just because
Speaker 1: you used to do the job in this way, you
Speaker 1: know that in a way that is not healthy for
Speaker 1: you or safe for you, that you cannot introduce a
Speaker 1: new boundary and get people on board. So just know
Speaker 1: that you can pop up with a new boundary for
Speaker 1: your own health and safety. And you ought to so
Speaker 1: get more, ask for more, create boundaries delegating and honestly
Speaker 1: like I don't, they don't. It's not any money in
Speaker 1: it for us. We should put this link, this link,
Speaker 1: like the the Boundaries book, Like I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know her personally, I follow her on Insta,
Speaker 1: but set Boundaries fine. Piece. I just think it's just
Speaker 1: a really great resource and tool from a black therapist
Speaker 1: who if you even if you don't get her book.
Speaker 1: Her insta is really great for really leaning into like
Speaker 1: creating boundaries so you can have a safe, effective, fruitful
Speaker 1: and joyful experience in life. And so like I just
Speaker 1: suggest that for you as well.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, we'll definitely put that in the
Speaker 2: show notes and creating those boundaries when you have the
Speaker 2: energy to create them, because it takes energy to put
Speaker 2: those in place and get people acclimated. So that's why
Speaker 2: it's so important to do it before you need it,
Speaker 2: like the emergency fund for your brain. Right. But one
Speaker 2: last thing, one last thing I wanted to note here
Speaker 2: is as well, as I'm reading her and I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about her very much, so if I'm imagining her job,
Speaker 2: which is working with working with new mother's postpartum, if
Speaker 2: she's working for an employer right now and not for herself,
Speaker 2: I really wonder if working for yourself may not be
Speaker 2: another potential solution creating your own business, dedicating, deciding your
Speaker 2: own hours, charging prices that are you know that makes
Speaker 2: sense for the for the mental toll of what you're
Speaker 2: going through, and the fact that you need to charge
Speaker 2: higher prices so that you can take fewer clients so
Speaker 2: that you can show up one hundred percent for the
Speaker 2: clients you have because they are relying on you. You know,
Speaker 2: I would have. I don't even know what kind of
Speaker 2: particular work you do, but I know that your clients
Speaker 2: must use you as such a vessel for them and
Speaker 2: such a you know, support for them, so for you
Speaker 2: to be able to show up for them in the
Speaker 2: best way possible. You can't have one thousand clients each
Speaker 2: charging a low fee. Maybe it's about having one hundred
Speaker 2: clients charging a higher fee and protecting your piece in
Speaker 2: that way. And I'm not obviously saying that everyone should
Speaker 2: just go out and start a business to solve all
Speaker 2: their problems. Obviously it has so many more challenges.
Speaker 1: But I feel.
Speaker 2: Like in your potential, in your industry, with your skill set,
Speaker 2: you could bring in and you did ask the question
Speaker 2: of how do you do it? How do you step
Speaker 2: away but still bring an income? I had thought about
Speaker 2: that with my business as well. I mean, Tiffany, you're
Speaker 2: like the og of creating an online education platform, a
Speaker 2: digital product that you don't have to show up and
Speaker 2: necessarily teach every single day. You can record it and
Speaker 2: it can be available, you know, on and on down
Speaker 2: the road. And you know, for you, is there anything
Speaker 2: about your teachings and learnings that you could create a
Speaker 2: digital product and then sell that to create passive income?
Speaker 2: You know, is there a course that you could create?
Speaker 2: Is there you know a oh maybe not even a
Speaker 2: course that's too overwhelming. What about one thirty minute you know,
Speaker 2: or forty five minute recap of everything that you've learned
Speaker 2: in your profession that has helped make a meaningful impact
Speaker 2: to the success of a new mom or something like
Speaker 2: that package it sell it have an income stream.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this and be mindful that go ahead,
Speaker 1: especially with reoccurring income, no matter how dope you are,
Speaker 1: there's something called churn, which can be also very stressful.
Speaker 1: So just be mindful of anybody who's thinking about this.
Speaker 1: So for example, even with my Mentortiffany dot com, right,
Speaker 1: that's people signed up fifteen hundred people we have currently
Speaker 1: now fifteen maybe something already for the month, somebody might
Speaker 1: come in and say, ah, churn is when people leave monthly.
Speaker 1: And sometimes oftentimes churn is because their credit card didn't
Speaker 1: go through Debork card didn't go through. Sometimes people for
Speaker 1: example at my mentor Tiffany people confuse it with me
Speaker 1: being the budgetista. We don't talk about financial education there.
Speaker 1: So sometimes people will come and be like, oh, we
Speaker 1: don't talk about money here, just business. Let me go
Speaker 1: over to the literature academy to join that. So they'll leave.
Speaker 1: So that's churn, and that means you have to if
Speaker 1: you want to maintain your salary or whatever, you have
Speaker 1: to continuously add folks, and that can be very stressful.
Speaker 1: So just be mindful that if I was starting out,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if it was me, instead of
Speaker 1: trying to get individual people purchasing whatever, I would instead
Speaker 1: look to get companies, like the same companies that I
Speaker 1: was working for, let them hire me as a contractor,
Speaker 1: because that is a less stressful introduction into that kind
Speaker 1: of business. Because in so doing, like getting individuual people
Speaker 1: signed up and continue to pay, it's a lot. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's like level five. So for level one, it's
Speaker 1: being yourself for those same types of companies and those
Speaker 1: companies pay you. That's a good level one to start with.
Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind. But all in all,
Speaker 1: ask for more money, create boundaries. Ask yourself, what is
Speaker 1: it that you're really wanting to do and start to
Speaker 1: make that pivot to it, like what are your core values? Security, adventure, joy,
Speaker 1: and really start to redesign life around those core values.
Speaker 1: And if that means leaving this profession down the line,
Speaker 1: maybe so. But you know, you only really have one
Speaker 1: life as far as I know, and so I much
Speaker 1: rather you start to make those pivots now and not
Speaker 1: wait for some major life changing event like I had
Speaker 1: to to make the huge pivots because now Sis is living.
Speaker 1: I take my walks every day. I did my jump
Speaker 1: rope today. Thank y'all for the jump rope videos. Like
Speaker 1: I work minimally, you know, relatively speaking. Everybody got to
Speaker 1: pay that price because I'm not doing free speaking engagements
Speaker 1: for the price of one. And so because I've set
Speaker 1: that boundary and I put the work in which sounds
Speaker 1: like you've done illustrating your opera, now I can say
Speaker 1: I can do less, and do I make less a
Speaker 1: little bit for now. But I'm seeing as i'm readjusting
Speaker 1: that I'm finding people who are willing to pay me more,
Speaker 1: and so by this time next year I will have
Speaker 1: proper probably have made the same as I would have
Speaker 1: with the busy, busy busy life with a way less
Speaker 1: busy life, So you know that drop might might mean
Speaker 1: that you have to like drop some of your expenses
Speaker 1: temporarily until you can get back there. That's normal as well,
Speaker 1: So we wish you luck.
Speaker 2: Oh prevent increasing inflation everything more expensive. I completely empathize
Speaker 2: with feeling of I know something is wrong, but I
Speaker 2: don't know how to keep the life that I have
Speaker 2: and fix it at the same time. So think about,
Speaker 2: like Tiffany said, how can you start those boundaries now?
Speaker 2: And how if any of you know, how can you
Speaker 2: monetize potentially some skills that you have that won't require
Speaker 2: you to show up and could that be an additional
Speaker 2: source of income so that you can take some take
Speaker 2: some time and think too about potentially the leave of absence.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes we need like to call nine one
Speaker 2: one for our damn selves. And I've definitely had clients
Speaker 2: from like I need to call nine one, you need
Speaker 2: out like it's becoming an emergency. And I hope that
Speaker 2: you're well, what do we decide to call her?
Speaker 1: Anonymous?
Speaker 2: Oprah? Oprah hope that you're taking care of yourself like
Speaker 2: you have for the moms and the and your work
Speaker 2: and thank you for the work that you're doing. I
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