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Speaker 1: the Big Voice said, we're all together once again. Jeff, Brian,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Fellas. It's getting spicy, like the bullets. The bullets

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Speaker 1: are flying, which I wanna think you should say. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's it is. It's maybe regrettable, but common sports parlance. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's getting interesting. It is April. I'm gonna do it again.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give y'all a choose your own adventure just

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Speaker 1: because these are the two things I want to hit

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Speaker 1: um if you live under a rock. We got a

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Speaker 1: pretty good idea of who the Cowboys are bringing to

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Speaker 1: the facility on their top thirty visits. We also have

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Speaker 1: a gigantic draft trade yesterday that shook up the first

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Speaker 1: and the New Orleans Saints. I don't where would you

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Speaker 1: rather start? I think probably here in Cowboyland. We're a

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Speaker 1: Which is kind of messed up after saying we could choose,

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Speaker 1: I would you rather start with the trade? No? I

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Speaker 1: think you made a great point. Yeah, Cowboys, you're right.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to it. I don't know what the Saints

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Speaker 1: the I think the Saints are going to trade again.

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Speaker 1: You think they're trying to I think they probably. They're

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Speaker 1: the Eagles on the other end, realize that they've evaluated

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Speaker 1: come out in support of Jalen Hurts. They're going to

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Speaker 1: they're going to make the move if they have to.

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Speaker 1: I love the Eagles thought process here, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: they that's why they're trying. They could do another trade

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Speaker 1: But like that's just smart planning and Hurt is gonna

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Speaker 1: I mean we're not going to ignore the other big news.

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Speaker 1: I had to flip this because our guy John Machoda

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Speaker 1: whether it's Amari Cooper or Tank Lawrence, that their attention

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about Green and die On, We've

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Speaker 1: talked about Burks and Alave. Just take your pick, take

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Speaker 1: there too. I would take Burks, Johnson, Greene, Olave. I'm

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Speaker 1: this in a daily basis. I know on our show

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Speaker 1: we talk about Ceedee Lamb. Are you disappointed in Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb right now? Are you disappointed that he that he

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Speaker 1: hasn't shown what maybe we've seen at Minnesota or in

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Speaker 1: these other you know, Cincinnati. Are you disappointed in him?

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Speaker 1: Is it his fault or is it the OC's fault?

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Speaker 1: Is at the quarterbacks fault? That's a whole nother argument.

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Speaker 1: But you worry about when you draft these players, are

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Speaker 1: they going to be used to their full potential. If

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn was coaching wide receivers, I would say, don't

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Speaker 1: worry about taking any of these wide receivers. They'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: But with what's going on right now, I think you

436
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Speaker 1: have to have some questions. Will you get the ultimate

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Speaker 1: from all these offensive players you draft? I think there's

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Speaker 1: questions about the offensive line coach. Are you going to

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Speaker 1: get the maximum out of Zion Johnson or Green? You know,

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Speaker 1: that's a question you have to ask yourself, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Jeff's right, you can fire these coaches, but these

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Speaker 1: coaches will at least be here for a year. You know,

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Speaker 1: and then you'll have to figure out, Oh well, you know,

444
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Speaker 1: look at the look at the situation with Connor McGovern.

445
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Speaker 1: Connor McGovern is in the same exact grade spot that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Zion Johnson and also Green one two one,

447
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Speaker 1: great top of the second round. Where are we at

448
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Speaker 1: right now? At guard? We're talking about a guard right yep?

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Speaker 1: You know, is that coach is that the player? Did

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Speaker 1: scouts mis evaluate? You know, these are all things that

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Speaker 1: are going to factor into this draft, you know, because

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Speaker 1: when you take these guys, you know, are you taking

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Speaker 1: the right guy and know the coach is going to

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Speaker 1: get the maximum out of him. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: biggest question you have right now. So with all of

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Speaker 1: that being said, where do you feel like those guys

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Speaker 1: that he just named off the four names, which one

458
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Speaker 1: would be most utilized or best utilized in this situation

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Speaker 1: wherever they land, whether it be the offensive line or

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. Like you say, I absolutely love Cedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb wide receiver number one on my board. I think

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Speaker 1: the guys sitting to my right was the same way

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Speaker 1: you'd be wide receiver one in this draft too. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like they've used Ceedee Lamb in a

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Speaker 1: way that gets the absolute most benefit out of him.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes yeah, I mean not to where we vision him.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe. No, I'm speaking how much. How much

468
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Speaker 1: of that was they couldn't block the second half of

469
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Speaker 1: the year. No receiver was gonna put up big numbers

470
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Speaker 1: because you were against two high shells to get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not disappointed in the way CD has been used.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really. No, his numbers just haven't been justin

473
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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. You're the guy, the guy,

474
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Speaker 1: the guy goes to Minnesota, and I mean we all

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Speaker 1: felt we did anybody have Jefferson over Cede Lamb? No, No, okay,

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Speaker 1: But if you're going to hold into the standard of

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Speaker 1: the best stats in the league, I'm holding him to

478
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Speaker 1: the whole last two years, probably leads the league in yards.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding him to stand. I'm holding him to the

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Speaker 1: standard if I think that we can get more out

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Speaker 1: of the player. Agreed, That's what I'm saying. I'm not

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Speaker 1: That's what they're saying across the room too. That see,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If we're valuating the player and

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Speaker 1: we feel like that we should get more out of

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Speaker 1: him and we're not, then then that's where the questions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, I'm not saying we shouldn't draft, but

487
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Speaker 1: I had my guys kind of starting to feel like

488
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: that's what you were No. No, I'm kind of feeling like, no,

489
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to draft because this team does that

490
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Speaker 1: that they got to pick a guy and then he's

491
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: got to play absolutely absolutely, but you might not. It's funny,

492
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Speaker 1: you almost have to get the absolute right guy for

493
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Speaker 1: that to work, because maybe you don't. Maybe you don't

494
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Speaker 1: get the absolute best out of these guys. It's hard

495
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Speaker 1: to say which one of these guys would you take

496
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Speaker 1: when you have questions about the guy, the guy coaching him.

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Speaker 1: You know, are you are they absolutely getting the best?

498
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Speaker 1: And if you told me they were taking a defensive

499
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Speaker 1: player at twenty four, I would feel a lot better

500
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Speaker 1: about that than an offensive player. All right, So just

501
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: skip all of that. You you can't fix that. So

502
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: which player do you feel the best about. Knowing all

503
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Speaker 1: of that, with all of the concerns, you just burks

504
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Speaker 1: Burks because he's my highest rated player, so much like

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Speaker 1: much like Cede Land was my highest rated player. You know,

506
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver Ppa. Yeah, and now you're really upset

507
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Speaker 1: about the eleven hundred yards and leading the team and touchdowns.

508
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Speaker 1: I'm upset because I think they could do more. I'm

509
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Speaker 1: upset because I think, what, what's the guy get at Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: How does he how does the guy at Minnesota play?

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the guy in Minnesota is a

512
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Speaker 1: better player right now than Cede Lamb? Yes? Do you

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Speaker 1: feel like the guys Do you feel like the guys

514
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's a better player than than Ceedee Lamb? Probably. I

515
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with the

516
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Speaker 1: fact that he could be better than eleven hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: But if you're okay with that, that's fine. Walk. I

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Speaker 1: agree with Brian that. I mean, you're you're the one

519
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Speaker 1: that you're the one that cheerleading for Cedee Lamb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean went out of your skull for Ceedee Lamb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You're okay with eleven hundred yards right now? I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with being realistic. Like we interviewed Maury Cooper every week,

523
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: and we talked to Cede Lamb, and that's another thing,

524
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. And you're facing two high shells and

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Speaker 1: a four man rush that's getting home if you're looking

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Speaker 1: for a receiver to go to for fifteen hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: that's your fault. No, it ain't happening. It's it's it's

528
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Speaker 1: the fault. It's the fault of scheming him in a

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Speaker 1: way that you cannot say. They play two high shell.

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Speaker 1: I'm up to beat seven and coverage with the four

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Speaker 1: and rush getting home. Okay, I love I would love

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Speaker 1: to see the scheme. So you're gonna draft an offensive guard,

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Speaker 1: You're just gonna get a draft the guard then right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna draft the best player can also the best

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Speaker 1: player then, and that's who is the best player, I

536
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Speaker 1: said Burkes in that scenario. But okay, but okay, So

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Speaker 1: you're need with work to do a guard. Yeah, you're

538
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Speaker 1: you're talking about doing You just argue with me about blocking. Yeah, okay,

539
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: we might need five featund picks on the old line.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you do. It's silly. I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't have none of these guards the first rounds on

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Speaker 1: my board. Cincinnati is the one exception to all of this,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that they do have Jamar Chase, who

544
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Speaker 1: went for fifteen hundred yards as a rookie against it

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Speaker 1: with the team that doesn't block with the team that

546
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Speaker 1: doesn't have anybody up front. But it's I get what

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Speaker 1: you're saying in the fact that you need some sort

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Speaker 1: of middle ground, and Cincinnati didn't have that. Also, wasn't

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Speaker 1: hide the way Dallas was played defensive agreed, because they

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Speaker 1: do give the ball to Joe Mixon. Teams are honoring

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Speaker 1: both the Ruggans, though yep, against Dallas they didn't so

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Speaker 1: block makes me think I would rather have a guard

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Speaker 1: all right? They tried to and they draft him in

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Speaker 1: it's very heavy on the day one guards and receivers,

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Speaker 1: types of guys. And I do like, well, sort of

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Speaker 1: like what we at those positions? At those positions? Um

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Speaker 1: that's going to be what the pick is? Or can

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Speaker 1: you imagine a scenario where it maybe it doesn't unfold

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Speaker 1: that way, or what if they go up and get

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Speaker 1: two of those guys? Could I'm trying to uh in

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Speaker 1: early in the second round, trade up yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying trade up in the first round. Yeah, maybe get

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Speaker 1: back in the top forty. What position group is not

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Speaker 1: on here with first round targets that could be the

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Speaker 1: wild cardne linebacker, but Devin Lloyd's on there. I think,

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Speaker 1: like to me that doing the work that if you

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Speaker 1: ask me, if you okay, if you ask me a

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Speaker 1: surprise pick, if you ask me a surprise pick, if

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Speaker 1: you're one, that would just because we think it's going

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Speaker 1: to potentially be the wide receiver, guard, the wild the

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Speaker 1: wild card pick out of this whole thing would be

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Speaker 1: for me would be Lloyd. That would be the one

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00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: that were like, all right, they brought him in, they knew,

636
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, dan Quinn got a linebacker here. That that

637
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: would be the one that I would I would love

638
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: the pick because I love Lloyd, but that would be

639
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: the pick that I would I would say, man, dan

640
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Quinn did some politic and in that room and got

641
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: that done or something absolutely nuts happened. Yeah, it would

642
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: be the opposite. It would be the opposite of what

643
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: should have happened in the Zeke Draft with Ramsey, where

644
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: you had you know, if you get Kellen Moore to say, well, man,

645
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Lloyd makes a lot of sense. You know. It's the

646
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: opposite of what Rod Marinelli said about Zeke. You know,

647
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: he's like, well, yeah, it makes a lot of sense

648
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: draft to running back here, even though you should have

649
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: fought like l for Ramsey. And you know, I don't

650
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: see Dan Quinn rolling over on that, but he might.

651
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Is there anybody on the list that you wish wasn't

652
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: on the list? Because I do have one, not among

653
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: like the the big name targets. I don't think Bernard

654
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: Raymond that wish was not on the list. That was

655
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: the one I was thinking mocked a lot to the Cowboys.

656
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: You're right about. I was a pro Michigan offensive tackle

657
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: two years ago. He was still a tight end, and

658
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: I see him mocked in the first round, and I'm like, hey,

659
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: I been wrong before, or yeah, he might develop into

660
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: something really really good. Let somebody else do that. I

661
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: don't think that's that's a good point. He's not a

662
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: bad player. He's just not a first round twenty four

663
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: overall players, and offensive tackles get pushed up. Yeah, and

664
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: he may be in that conversation, I should I should

665
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: take myself out of this conversation because I've told this before.

666
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Every of those weak offensive tackles that I don't like

667
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: end up being Pro Bowl players. Olden Miller's prettydamn good.

668
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: No he is. He's absolutely and again and and so

669
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: is so is the guy you know, uh, David Bakhtiari.

670
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: There's another one way back in the day. So yeah,

671
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there seems to be something these weaker I

672
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: was watching the kid Zack Tom play from Wake fourth.

673
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player, but I also feel

674
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: like he's a pretty weak guy. I think there's several

675
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: of those guys that are kind of that, you know,

676
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: that don't really have a lot of power to the

677
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: way they play, and but they, you know what, they

678
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: get drafted and I don't like it, and then all

679
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden they end up in the Pro Bowl.

680
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: So it's I guess. And we talked about Charles Cross

681
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: in the first segment in some weird, weird world where

682
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: he slipped. Is that the only scenario you really see

683
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: where it goes away from those two position groups scarred

684
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: and receiver, or if you get one of the top

685
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: five edge rushers somehow to make it to twenty four

686
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: carloftis May. Yeah, yeah, that'd be the dream they're looking

687
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: if they really like Carloftis. I just brought him up

688
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: because no, no, I wonder I actually, okay, this is

689
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: to me, there seems like more of a momentum for

690
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Sam Williams that it does Carloftis. There's definitely so. And

691
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: I think that's because of where they're targeting these guys.

692
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: I think it's because they're looking second round. But is

693
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: again to try to read Tea Leaves, is that because

694
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: they don't think they have a shot at a guy

695
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: like that, or maybe they just don't like him. I

696
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: don't It's funny that they feel like they don't have

697
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: a shot at Carloftus, but they do. Cross just to

698
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: me that that's that's what I see. That's what I'm

699
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: saying that Drake London is going in the top twelve.

700
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: He may see he's right about he's right about the

701
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: about the Jordan Davis, He's right about that. To me,

702
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm thinking, why would you think that you

703
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: really do believe that this kid, you know, tested as

704
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: well as he did his tape is as good as

705
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: he did, the position that he you know, how he

706
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: can help you, That people are really going to let

707
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: him slide to twenty four. Question from Justin our friend

708
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: friend of the show, our guy Bucky Brooks. His latest mock.

709
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: He had the Cowboys taking our friend boy a maffe

710
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: out of Minnesota, not a not a visitor. As far

711
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: as I'm aware of, how would you I get that's

712
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: potentially a pass rusher that you could get at twenty four.

713
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: I feel like y'all wouldn't love it, though. I kind

714
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: of feel like he's more of a second round guy

715
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: because I've got guys like seeing him rising a lot. Yeah, no,

716
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: and absolutely, and you know, but on my board, the

717
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: way I had it myself is like guys like Jermaine

718
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: Johnson and then I kind of have Maffi and Sam

719
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Williams all kind of group there in that second ROUNDE

720
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: is what I would do. So that great again, maybe

721
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: like a one two three, one two four, you know right,

722
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, right at the top of that second round,

723
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: just out side because I got twenty first round grades,

724
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: so those guys are all kind of in that. So

725
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: if you take him at twenty four, that wouldn't be

726
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: terrible for me. But I've got a couple of guys

727
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: that I think I would like better there. I think

728
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: you make a decent point, Kyle, that we've seen them

729
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: do that before. Trading up to get one of these

730
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: guys is not outside of the realm of possibility, especially

731
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: if it's a position like pass rusher. Yeah, it may

732
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: be Sam Williams. That may be the guy because he

733
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: continues to rise with the draftboards. Maybe it's boy A

734
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: Mafe because I have them touching tags at the same

735
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: time too. Maybe it's one of those two guys that

736
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: they really like they want to trade up and ensure

737
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: that they get there. They may not even have to

738
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: get into the top forty two ensure one of those

739
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: two guys being there. They may just be forty five

740
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: or fifty. I saw this morning where Adam Schefter was

741
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: tweeting about that Drake Jackson Drake Jackson was on like

742
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: twelve visits, you know, and and I was kind of thinking,

743
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: okay that you know, that kind of makes sense. But

744
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously people like to me, my defensive endboard

745
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: is probably a lot different than what teams have it

746
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: because the Penn State defensive end I'm not as high

747
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: and the South Carolina defensive end I'm not as high on. Yeah,

748
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I've had I have both of those guys in the

749
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: third SEO, I do too, And that's what And I

750
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: think that teams maybe will value those guys more than

751
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: I value Sam Williams and Maffe and guys like that.

752
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: That's a good point, Brian David, not me. Another David

753
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: wants to hear more about Matt Correll And yeah, your

754
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: vision for what a team might do with him is

755
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't strike me as a guy that's ready to

756
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: start right away or do you think he is just

757
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: sort of your vision for what that might look like? Yeah,

758
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean physically he's not going to be this.

759
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't look on Tay Sall. Yeah, but he's six

760
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: two and he's two twelve. But you watched I watched twelve.

761
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: He looks smaller than that. I watched his pro day

762
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: the other day and he looks he doesn't look just impressive.

763
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: Email heck, the kid from BYU Wilson. He didn't look

764
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: him physically impressive last year at all, and look where

765
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: that ended up. But I think when you watch him play,

766
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: he might not look like a stout quarterback, but he's

767
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: sure plays like one when you watch him carry the ball.

768
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there are plenty of times where all of

769
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: a sudden he's running the ball and you're going, Okay.

770
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's not going to do it in in the NFL,

771
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: probably as much. But you see his toughness there. You

772
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: see him running over people. You know, he's always going

773
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: to try and make sure that the play is successful.

774
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: I kind of I called him tough. I called him

775
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: hard nose. He's not afraid to lower the shoulder and

776
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: get the first down. I think he's an outstanding ball

777
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: handler and faker. I think deception is really really big

778
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: all the you know, we always do the metrics of

779
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: the play action stuff, and I think he's really really

780
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: good about that. Makes a ton of plays on the move.

781
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: So if you want to kind of move him around

782
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: in the pocket, let him throw from those different platforms

783
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: he can he can do that. I kind of like

784
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: the way I think he puts the ball in the

785
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: right spot for his guys to catch it too. I

786
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: didn't see his receivers having to struggle to make a

787
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: lot of plays for him, So I kind of I

788
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: like him. I think I think, you know, I think

789
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys, like I said, he'll play

790
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: hurt and he'll continue to thrive. That's just the heart

791
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: to desire, and I think he's got the intangibles as

792
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: well as with the ability to kind of put it

793
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: all together when he was given time to throw. He

794
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: has the prettiest deep ball in the class. I mean,

795
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: he has a cannon of an arm. He puts it

796
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: on the money. He makes it, like you said, easy

797
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: for his receivers. The one thing against Corral is actually

798
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the same knock I have for Malik Willis. He's a

799
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 1: little quick to use his legs. He's got that time

800
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: clock and it was a little bit shorter. Now. His

801
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: offensive line wasn't necessarily fantastic in front of him either.

802
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: Same thing for Malik Willis at Liberty, but he was

803
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: very quick at just bailing and trying to get outside,

804
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: which is a good thing at times. But in the

805
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: NFL he'll have hopefully more time to throw, and he

806
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: should be I think a starter within the first two

807
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: years of his career. He's a good player. One last one, Jeff,

808
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it can be for all of y'all,

809
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: but he came for Jeff's next so I haven't heard

810
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: that name yet. No. John just says in such a

811
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: deep draft. If we talk about like the quality after

812
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: the top ten. Why has Captain Trade Doown gone so silent? Oh? No,

813
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: Captain Trade Doown's here is he? You have not talked

814
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: about it? Oh? Well you had to to check me

815
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: out on YouTube. Did three mocks yesterday, did a lot

816
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: of moving feff one channel. Yeah, find me on my

817
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It just it depends on what ends up

818
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: being there. Like if you get to and these are

819
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: just stupid simulators, but a lot of times I'll get

820
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: there and both guards are there, one of the receivers

821
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: is there. Um trying to think what else is there?

822
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: But I'll get I'll get to the point where it's like,

823
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: oh crap. If Kansas City wants to come up, and

824
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: I can drop five spots and I've got three or

825
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: four guys left that I really like, let's go, let's go.

826
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: But if you get to a spot where can you

827
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: Mareen is gone. The top five wide receivers are gone,

828
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: and it's basically, hey, here's Zion Johnson and or Tyler Linderbaum.

829
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: If they would be interested or you could move back

830
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: and see what happens, then I think you can't do that.

831
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of how many quote targets do

832
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: you have left when you get to twenty four, and

833
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: how comfortable are you with it? It's how cute you

834
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: want to be. That's Trading down is in itself a

835
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: cute thing. No, it is cute, but you got badass.

836
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: But you got to make sure that you gotta you know.

837
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: And he's right about the level of players though, you know,

838
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: because I asked him yesterday. I saw I did a simulator.

839
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: I said, who did Kansas City take at twenty four?

840
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: They traded up, They came after trailing birds, they got Burkes,

841
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, okay, well, I wonder if was it

842
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: worth it to the cowboys to make that trade if

843
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: they lose a guy that they if they're hunting wide receivers,

844
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: does it does it? Does it make it? Or are

845
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: they comfortable with with a lobby there or somebody like that.

846
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, That's where that's kind of where I was.

847
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: I was. I got sky Moore at fifty and that

848
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: one I wouldn't worry about it. Yeah, I saw that,

849
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: well worked out great? Okay, So I just ran a simulator.

850
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: You want to try and play through a scenario real quick? Oh?

851
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Trade down? Yeah, you want to trade down. Yeah, of course.

852
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: Ivanta Wyatt's on the board. Linder bombs on the board,

853
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: pinning Ojabo uh Elam from Florida, Jalen Petrie from Baylor,

854
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: trailing Burkes, Zion Johnson. Those are your top ten. Problem

855
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: is these people have bad rankings. I just ran because

856
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: you read a bunch of duds that should get picked

857
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: in the forties and then a guy who's gonna go

858
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: like twenties. Yeah, I agree. So Burke's Zion Tampa Bay

859
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: wants the trade for or trade with you. The packers

860
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: want to trade with you. So that's twenty seven, twenty eight,

861
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: and then the Bears at thirty nurs we're going down.

862
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: Which packer pick? Are you going to get all the

863
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: packers up for whatever? Yeah? You give them your one

864
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: and your three for their one and their two, and

865
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: if they're willing to do it, you hit execute and

866
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: then we dominate this draft. You kidding me? Trade not accepted?

867
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: Hang up on him and tell him off, and then

868
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: pick your player. That's easy. Yeah, funny, it's funny. It's

869
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: funny how Inning is one of those guys. And I

870
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: think Jeff's right, he's gone. He's top fifteen. Yeah, I

871
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 1: mean these tackles. That's what surprises me about their visit

872
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: with Cross because I feel like all these tackles are

873
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: gonna be gone before the Cowboys pick before on this

874
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: I feel like we're falling into a trap here though,

875
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: where I like, that's It's all we've been saying is

876
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: like this is a different draft, Like there's not a

877
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: lot of consensus, but here we are with consensus of like, oh,

878
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: he won't be there, he'll be gone too. Oh no,

879
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't care if he is there. It's a very

880
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: general consensus. It's not like we're saying, oh, he's going

881
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: to Carolina and it's John No. I know, but but

882
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: like somebody has to be there, you know what I mean.

883
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: And in a world where Travon Walker is going a

884
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: long three days, people are gonna be there. Yeah, I don't.

885
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: People must think the Cavon Thibodeaux hates hates football. I

886
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: just want to throw that out there. I'm gonna say

887
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do every week because the Trayvon Walker over

888
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau stuff on tape is cracka. I like Walker

889
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot, but there's no way I wonder if that

890
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: if Tibodau must hate football, like look he doesn't care.

891
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I wonder what that momentum is really all about. I

892
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: like Walker, and it's so funny. When we first started

893
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: this journey, every mock draft had Walker. And if it's

894
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: saying wich you want to say about the mock drafts,

895
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: but every name was Walker, Walker Walker at twenty four. Yeah,

896
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: and now he's gone from twenty four to sixteen to

897
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: being the first overall guy in some boards. And I

898
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: understand people having to make mock drafts up. You got

899
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: to mix it up, so you can't do the same

900
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: He can't do the same thing every time, or you're

901
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: not gonna be a mock draft for long and you're

902
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: not going to have a gig. Yeah, your last one

903
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: is your most important one. But I mean, it's so funny,

904
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: but that this guy's gone from twenty four to sixteen

905
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: to being in the top two. I'm just and I'm

906
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: just trying to I'm trying to keep my mind open

907
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: because I I at any rate, I hope that the

908
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: first round is as surprising as I think it'll be.

909
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: You know what if I would make for some fun

910
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: radio Thibodeau if I was if I was a Giant,

911
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: if I was a Giants at five and at seven,

912
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: why would you not just take the two best offensive tackles,

913
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: you know something like that. I mean, that's where I'm seeing,

914
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: like these tackles could be going because there's just so

915
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: many teams ahead of you up there that need these

916
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: offensive linemen. You watch them play and they just can't

917
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: do anything. Jeff's talking about it. You can't run the ball,

918
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: can't pass per tech, teams are bad at blocking. There.

919
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: If the Giants come out of this draft without Sauce Gardner,

920
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I think they might be making Sauce Gartner might be

921
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: the best player in the draft. All Right, we're running short.

922
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: I do I tease the return of tell me more so.

923
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: I want to give us time to get to that.

924
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,839
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925
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,040
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Speaker 1: Could read thank you? I wasn't I wasn't sure where

968
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Speaker 1: it was going to be honest with you, take a

969
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,720
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970
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: for the words way too easy. It's time for tell

971
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: me more guys. I wanted, like I people have been

972
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: asking about this for months. Really, I wanted to wait

973
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: A to give y'all as much time as possible to

974
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: watch players, and B we would have a better idea

975
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: of who we might want to learn about. And Um

976
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: without getting into the nitty gritty. I think all five

977
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: of these guys have some sort of tie to the

978
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys that we have heard in one form or another.

979
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: So we'll start things off. Tell me more about SMU

980
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: tight end, Grant Calcata brand, you start, you want me

981
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: to start, you can start. Well, you know I liked

982
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm a nice positive man. So Um talked about is

983
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: a former Bomer Sooner. Yeah, sure is that I probably

984
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: would not draft because of a combination of things. Number One,

985
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: he retired from football during his third season at OU

986
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: after a series of concussions. So you're gonna have health

987
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: stuff you're gonna have to work through and on tape.

988
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: Calcutara is interesting because I think he's a solid receiver,

989
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Like he's a pretty good receiving tight end, but he's

990
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good receiving tight end that I don't think

991
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: he can get open against man coverage. Yeah, and he's

992
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: not a good blocker, that's true. So I've got health concerns,

993
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: blocking concerns, man coverage concerns. But just as far as

994
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: running your standard tight end routes, catch the ball, okay

995
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: after catch, Like, he's not a bad player. I just

996
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: think I have enough questions that I would find other

997
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: tight ends to pick. Yeah, I mean, this guy doesn't

998
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: plays a true in line. Why you mean you don't

999
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: see him? You know, he's always detached, he's always in

1000
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: the slot. He runs routes where they have to use

1001
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: cross or he's a cross, or they pick they try

1002
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: and get him open. I mean, straight line, pretty good speed. Yeah,

1003
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it is though there's nothing after

1004
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: the catch with this guy. No, there's nothing. I mean,

1005
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: you throw him the ball. It's like he has a

1006
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: chance to score a couple of times in games I'm watching,

1007
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: and like he gets yanked down and I mean, I

1008
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: mean no power to get into the end zone or

1009
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: drag anybody. Some of these other tight ends you've seen

1010
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: in the ones that we've mentioned, they have power, they're

1011
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: able to finish, they're able to score, they're able to

1012
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: get more yards. I think this guy at six four,

1013
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty one pounds, I think he's just

1014
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: too light to play. But again, you talk about the

1015
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: medical history and stuff like that, that's something I'm not

1016
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: interested in myself. No, no pun intended with it, of

1017
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: course being SMU. But he's kind of a one trick pony.

1018
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's the way that he, like you said,

1019
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: he has the front line speed or the straight line

1020
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: speed rather four or five seven after combine, he can

1021
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: run and he can catch. That's about it. He's run

1022
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: across the field and catch it. Yeah, yeah, that's what.

1023
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: He's not a great route runner. He's not super versatile.

1024
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: But um, I mean his production was even great either.

1025
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: He had two other guys he was sharing in the

1026
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: field with with Reggie Robertson Junior that's in the draft

1027
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: class as well. I will say great the other tight

1028
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: end that came in. Sometimes it wears eighty six. It's

1029
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: way worse. I was about to say, what's going on?

1030
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Like maybe I was? I was. I was intrigued for

1031
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: a second. No, you're gonna be okay, This is not

1032
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: like the Georgia defensive tak Yeah, where you're like, oh

1033
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is better because sometimes he would

1034
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: come up the ball and like, man, he's running even

1035
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: slower than usual. And I was like, oh, it's eighty six.

1036
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: They have to have to detach him so he can run.

1037
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: I think let's hope for some better luck. He was

1038
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl guy. Tell me say that Senior Bowl

1039
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: on GPS. Boom, wonderful. Yeah, tell me more about Cam Jurgens,

1040
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: the center out of Nebraska. I'm gonna have to blimp Cami.

1041
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't have Nebraska film Brian. Uh yeah, Cam Jurgens though,

1042
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: as I got invited to watch Cam Jurgens, so my

1043
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: opponent can't say that, right, Cam Jurgens a jerk? Yeah,

1044
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: sorry about that. Uh. He's an undersize center, and I

1045
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: think he tends to play that way six to three.

1046
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: He's three h three. There's really nothing fluid or pretty

1047
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: about his game at all. Oh. I think he's kind

1048
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: of a rough and tumbled blocker. Body control and balance

1049
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: is really kind of all over the place. I thought

1050
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: he was a better blocker when he can use angles

1051
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to taking guys head up. He can stand

1052
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: his man, but there's snaps when you see power will

1053
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: give him trouble. I watched the Oklahoma game, in the

1054
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Minnesota game, I mean there were sometimes he got ragged

1055
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: all by our guy in that Oklahoma that that guy

1056
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: tore him up pretty good. And so the coaches will

1057
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: ask him to pull and get into space and lead.

1058
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: He's a little hurky jerky when it comes to that stuff.

1059
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: I do think he has a mean side to him

1060
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: because there are times when the guys were on the

1061
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: ground he was kind of diving into him and things

1062
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: like that. So but you know, his doesn't always maintain

1063
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: that position. I think he really has to fight to

1064
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: stay engaged. And but like his nasty size. But I

1065
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: think he does play small at times, and I'd have

1066
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: an issue with that. A lot of that comes from,

1067
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: like you said, playing small and being undersize. But I

1068
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: like the fight from him because he doesn't necessarily give up.

1069
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: He likes to get to the second level. He's not

1070
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: going to be that pure anchor, yeah, but he's somebody

1071
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: that could maybe develop into a good depth piece in

1072
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: terms of an offensive lineman and a center. We're not

1073
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: very athletic, I will say that much. He's not that funny.

1074
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: I remember saying a little bit about that about when

1075
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: you talked about Travis Frederick, he was not being really athletic,

1076
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, but Travis did a great But you could

1077
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: see Travis though, on the move and stuff like that,

1078
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, staying with this guy. This guy, like I say,

1079
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like that, I'm I'm getting

1080
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: a guy. But it's so funny when you watch a

1081
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: guy like say and Linderbaum's I think the best center

1082
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: in the draft, and when you watch him, he's just

1083
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: so smooth getting to his blocks and positioning, and this

1084
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: guy it's like a it's like a work to have

1085
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: to stay in position, where these other guys just kind

1086
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: of him. Fortner, the guy from Kentucky, I really really

1087
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: like good position handle, big guys, don't get bullied, you know,

1088
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: those are the kinds of guys I like. You expect

1089
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: that clunkiness to come from some of the bigger players

1090
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: at the position. I mean, look at Donovan West from

1091
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: Arizona State. I mean he's a little clunky, but he's huge.

1092
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's got a massive frame. And yeah, Nard

1093
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: he's clunky, he's a good player and he's exceptionally strong.

1094
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just don't see that same kind of

1095
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: I see the same kind of clunkiness. I don't see

1096
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: the same kind of potential with Cam Jergins. If if

1097
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: they were good enough to go where those guys are going,

1098
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: we wouldn't just now be talking about him in April.

1099
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a depth piece. I think, stop it,

1100
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: sweet man, you're the one that just called out both

1101
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: SMU tight ends. Tell me just one. There was no

1102
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: reason you mention through in the other guy thought you

1103
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: were about to say something not like it. But you

1104
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: know this guy's pretty good. Actually, no, he's even wor

1105
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: his family's listening. Tell me more about Verne McKinley, the

1106
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: Oregon safety. Okay, so this is one where um again,

1107
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: there's a reason that's this late before we talk about him.

1108
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: This is a guy that I desperately want to like

1109
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: because Varn McKinley is a really smart, really good football player.

1110
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: He's just small and unathletic according to measuring for the NFL,

1111
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: like he's five ten, he runs a four six five.

1112
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: His agilities weren't that good. Didn't stop you from loving

1113
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 1: our Darius Washington. It's true, call him out day is better,

1114
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: but this guy's five ten instead of five six, A

1115
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: better shot like Veron McKinley's gonna get drafted. He's a

1116
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: local guy um and at Oregon even watching him against

1117
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State like he's He's always in the right position,

1118
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: he sees the game well, he tackles, he does all

1119
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: the things you want. It's just a matter of how

1120
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: high are you going to draft a guy when a

1121
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of the other guys are going to be two

1122
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: inches taller, run a tenth or two of a second faster,

1123
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: and just be better athletes when we're going to play

1124
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: NFL football. I would take Veron McKinley, like for a

1125
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: team that maybe could use the safety Cowboys, but probably

1126
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: not going to use a high pick. If you told

1127
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: me Vern McKinley in the fourth or fifth round became

1128
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: a Cowboy, I'd say, Okay, I like that. So I

1129
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: really like the player. I just wish that he was

1130
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: maybe a little taller, a little faster, hit a little harder. Yeah,

1131
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: otherwise he'd be a first round pick. Doesn't have great

1132
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: length or speed, but he has instincts and awareness, and

1133
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that puts him in position

1134
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: to make plays. He can watch the UCLA game where

1135
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: he's this is how smart this kid is. Ball's on

1136
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: the ground and like the UCLA offensive lineman is about

1137
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: to dive on it, and he gets up there and

1138
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: he scoops it away to move it further up the

1139
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: field in order so he could pick it up. You know,

1140
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: that's the kind of instead of letting it, instead of

1141
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: trying to dive in. He gets there and he pushes

1142
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: the ball. You know, those are the kinds of things.

1143
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's in a lot. He puts him so

1144
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of positions to make plays. The ball

1145
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: tends to go his way too, which is something and

1146
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: I think that's about instincts. I think that's about awareness.

1147
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: I think Jeff is absolutely right about the physical makeup

1148
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: about him. Five ten, one ninety eight doesn't really run

1149
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: all that great. But the intangibles, the instincts, the awareness,

1150
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: I think are that what people are gonna probably give

1151
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: him high marks for because you gave him a couple

1152
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: of cons there in terms of the slim build, the

1153
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: tackling that are spot on, because he's not a great tackler,

1154
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: and that's not really he can't tackle. I don't think

1155
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: he can hit. Like he's not a powerful guy. I

1156
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I think, Okay, Tackler not a

1157
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: good hitter. I would agree the one thing, he had

1158
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: eleven picks over his last two seasons and he had

1159
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: just I think three touchdowns that he allowed over the

1160
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: last three seasons at Oregon. Like he's not like a

1161
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: big play go get it of treybon Diggs where it's

1162
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: all or nothing sort of deal. He still has good

1163
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: coverage ability and he forces the turnover. And I think

1164
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot of that goes back to what Brian was

1165
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: talking about in the awareness and the IQ to be

1166
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time, because it

1167
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: seems like every single time somebody goes his direction, he's

1168
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: at least nearby to try and make a play. Sounds

1169
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: like a coaches player, like a guy that the Yeah.

1170
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: I've heard that about him too, in terms of like

1171
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: the leadership and the football character because he was working

1172
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 1: out locally. Yeah, and I've talked to the guy who's

1173
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: been training him since he's in the fourth grade. Oh

1174
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: my god, and like that is apparent works. That's the

1175
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: thing about him is like he is a dude that

1176
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: coaches are gonna be like, yes, want him. Yeah, it's funny.

1177
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Uh he he uh. He interviewed because he's a local kid.

1178
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: They were on the on the station on one oh

1179
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: five three. He came up and he was doing interviews

1180
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: with the nighttime show. And the first time I met him,

1181
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm walking out and he's walking in and he I say,

1182
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: and somebody introduced me and he looked at me. He goes, yes,

1183
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to meet you. I want to do

1184
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: your job. And I go, I go, well, thank you,

1185
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: and I go, I go, you've got a You've got

1186
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: a great job yourself. You know you're about to play

1187
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And he goes, no, he goes, when

1188
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: I get done doing my job, I want to do

1189
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: your job. And so now I want him on the

1190
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: count so we can get him on the radio. No, no,

1191
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, he is a he is a very he's

1192
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: a very he's a very nice, eloquent speaker, and he's

1193
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: very thoughtful and he gives good answers and stuff. And

1194
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, man, I go, I enjoyed

1195
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: watching you play and stuff like that. But he is

1196
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: I think the I think the his intelligence is elite.

1197
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: For football. I really really do. Coaches player took me

1198
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: from Ada to fifty six. Let's go ahead and make

1199
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: its kidding, just kidding, just no, no, But he you know,

1200
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: he might not end up here, but he's You're gonna

1201
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: go somewhere and you're gonna be watching a game on

1202
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: Sunday or whatever, and he's gonna make a play and

1203
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna go I remember that. Yeah, we're running a

1204
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: short on time. We're gonna do these rapid fire. I

1205
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: am gonna get to both of them. Zach Carter Florida

1206
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Zach Carter tweeters a good word tweeter because

1207
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: he's six four, two eighty two. He plays up and

1208
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: down the Florida line. Uh not the Florida Georgia line,

1209
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: just a thank god. Two of the first ten plays

1210
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: against BAMMI he ends up on the ground. And so

1211
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm watching the BAMI game and I'm like, yeah, okay,

1212
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: not a lot here. Then you watch him played not

1213
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: Bama in South Florida and you say, okay, now he

1214
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: looks the part. So I do think he's an NFL

1215
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, probably a depth guy. One of those guys

1216
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: looks really good. Coming off the bus. Yeah, that's ANFL body.

1217
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Dude looks like he belongs and he can pass rush

1218
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: a little bit on the interior. Zat Carter's an NFL

1219
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: player on day three. I think he's a guy who

1220
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: could transition into being a potential starter. I might be

1221
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: higher on him than most people because I like the traits.

1222
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: I like the size, the athleticism. Certainly there I it's

1223
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: basically like you said, there's a lot of raw to

1224
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: his game. And where do you play him? Do you

1225
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: want to if you want to put him solely at

1226
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: edge rusher, put him solely at ed rusher, let him

1227
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: build in an NFL off season for a little bit.

1228
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: If you want to put him an interior, do that

1229
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: as well. Either way, I think he's better off the edge.

1230
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I put him as a defensive end. Yeah,

1231
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: it's tough either way. And the thing about it is, though,

1232
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: and here I might say he's a defensive end and

1233
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: then you know, but he's going to be able to

1234
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: play a couple different spots. There were times though, where

1235
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: he looks quick off the ball, and at other times

1236
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: it's like he's not. And I'm like going, bro, and

1237
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: and here I'm wanting to play him an end, and

1238
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: when you play in you really got to kind of

1239
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: be off the ball quick all the time. I kind

1240
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: of thought he was like a like almost like a

1241
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: five technique defensive end and at three to four and

1242
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: I know, and I know we kind of move around

1243
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and play hybrid fronts and stuff like that. But I

1244
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: thought the way that he played with leverage was his

1245
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: best thing. I really did. I mean, his hands and

1246
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: his leverage. But other than that, man, it was kind

1247
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: of up and down with the way he really really

1248
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: rushed the passer. Day three though, yeah, yeah, yeah, early

1249
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: day three. Yeah. Charleston Rambo, Miami receiver, will round this

1250
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: episode out with him. Another Oklahoma transfer, jeah Boomer Sooner,

1251
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: played alongside Ceedee Lamb. Start with positives. I think he

1252
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: accelerates well, and I think he tracks a football well,

1253
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: so when the ball is in the air, he's gonna

1254
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: put himself in the right place to catch it. But

1255
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: he does have some drops. He is a skinny player

1256
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: that plays skinny. When you press him, it's bad news

1257
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: bears for him. So he put up really good numbers

1258
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: at Miami. A lot of that was soft coverage stop routes,

1259
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: along the sideline and then a decent chunk of it

1260
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: was throwing the ball down the field and he tracks

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Speaker 1: it well and he'll catch it um but inconsistent catching.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he can beat press coverage in the

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Speaker 1: NFL because he couldn't do it against Alabama. So again,

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Speaker 1: I think Day three, late day three fighting to make

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Speaker 1: an NFL roster Alabama tape is really useful in that

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Speaker 1: regard because you're like, oh, this is what look playing

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Speaker 1: against an NFL team will kind of satch put up

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Speaker 1: huge numbers against Michigan Michigan State Conservative and then I

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Speaker 1: lacked Damagett in his face. It's like it off the line.

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Speaker 1: You watch the Michigan State game, you might draft him

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Speaker 1: in the first round. Seriously. I mean he can make

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Speaker 1: a bunch of big catches. I think Jeff's right. His

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Speaker 1: best trade is his ability to adjust to the ball,

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Speaker 1: and I think the tracking party's absolutely right. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter where it's sown. This guy's going to find a

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: way to kind of catch it. I wouldn't call him

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01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: the fastest of the quickest route runner. I think he

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01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: does manage to get open, but I think it's going

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01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: to He's not going to drive a corner out of

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: his pedal with the way he runs it just he's

1281
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: just a kind of a steady, smooth player in that regard.

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: He's a load him up volume receiver. Seventy nine receptions

1283
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: broke the all time single season Miami receiving record. I mean,

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: he had seventy nine receptions. It's wild, Like there's been

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers coming out and say. It just

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: speaks to the way the game is changing. That battle

1287
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: set a record at a school that had a guy

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01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: like Michael Irvine. But I don't know, while you guys

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01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: had to make me hate him. Former sooners right in

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: front of him. Yeah, two of them, jerks. We're just

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Speaker 1: trying to teach you. Rambo had really big stats at

1292
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: Miami that makes you a first rounder. We're helping you

1293
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Speaker 1: with your deliver. That's what we're doing here. Maks Mane

1294
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: that Michigan State game, though, seriously looks good. He would

1295
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: think that the sky more a Michigan start off. And

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01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let's see against Bam And I

1297
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: was like, and anybody who presses him sends him fifteen

1298
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: yards that way. That's a problem. Are you guys selling these. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Brian, you're a better salesman than me. Yeah, well, no,

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: what are you? He's doing it right. Put it on,

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Speaker 1: put it on the front camp. The front camp. Our

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Speaker 1: Draft Guys is available. It's available digitally, It's in Cowboys

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01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: Pro shops. You can order it online. It should be

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Speaker 1: hitting stores this week. Kyle did a wonderful job doing

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Speaker 1: updates on damn near everybody in this draft class got

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Speaker 1: a mock draft from me that is already laughably out

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Speaker 1: of date. I'm sorry about that. Welcome to the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the world of the Draft updated. At some

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Speaker 1: point we will be back. We got plenty more we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go. We're gonna do tell me more up until

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Speaker 1: draft week, so we'll have threny more opportunities to talk

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Speaker 1: about guys and uh look, I'm really calm efidence some

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Speaker 1: more wild stuff will have happened by Thursday. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening for the Draft show. For Jeff, Brian, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I'm Dave. We'll talk to you all next time. This

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