WEBVTT - Radio Better Offline: Andy Richter

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>The future is bulletproof, the aftermath is secondary. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>batter Offline. I'm your host ed zech tron. Today were

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<v Speaker 2>joined in the beautiful Los Angeles, Nevada, and I'm joined

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<v Speaker 2>by Andy Richter, the comedian. Andy, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being here. On the way to the studio,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to see a man smoking crack, which I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen that in the long time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of that's nostalgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it is. So you're still doing crack.

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<v Speaker 2>People are still doing crack in this know, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying. So, Andy, you've been so so nineties. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we're bringing the nineties back. I was listening to a

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<v Speaker 2>System of a Down. Sorry, I've been down this rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>This is tech podcast. We'll talk about stuff eventually. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been down this rabbit hole of listening to this band

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<v Speaker 2>called O two that does cover of bands in the

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<v Speaker 2>style of other bands. And there was a System of

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<v Speaker 2>a Down in the style of System of Down cover

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<v Speaker 2>of the Scatman song Wow. It was truly amazing, like

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<v Speaker 2>they nailed both the Scatman rap and the system of

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<v Speaker 2>a downtown Wow. And the comments on these things are

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<v Speaker 2>amazing because it's like fifty percent people like me saying

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<v Speaker 2>this is really great. At fifty percent people being like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not, yeah, anything like the fucking Scatman. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>Scatman fans are all out there. Anyway, you've been fairly

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<v Speaker 2>online for a while. I've noticed you on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>When'd your first get online?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first online like on the Internet, would have been

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineties when I started working on Late

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<v Speaker 1>Night with Conan O'Brien. That was that was when sort

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, there was AOL and in fact, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were. I was the first time online. It was AOL.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I got one of those discs in the

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<v Speaker 1>mail or you know, out of a magazine or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was dial up and I had these clunky

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<v Speaker 1>old mac uh power books and and at worked there

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<v Speaker 1>was the Internet and it because at first the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, is it just like catalogs, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like PEPSI would have a website and be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of know what PEPSI is.

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<v Speaker 2>And then was that initial pair of when I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when I go online, when it was like ten yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just like looking up companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But everything you you went to because it was dial

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<v Speaker 2>up was very much a commitment, yeah, to be so sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, yeah, yeah, And and to go from one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to the other took so long. Oh yeah, but then

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<v Speaker 1>email was pretty fun. Facebook was fun for five seconds

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<v Speaker 1>and then I immediately got off of there, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>and of course then you know, like at the Conan Show,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, everybody was experiencing this new thing altogether, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And as usual with every new technology, the one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first primary uses is pornograph of course, so there

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, plenty of and because it's a comedy show,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just like people fucking. It was like people

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<v Speaker 1>filling up plastic pants with diarrhea. Okay, you know, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and that's what we'd be swapping around the office.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, so you were on dial up doing this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so, well we were at work doing that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what. I don't know what our internet

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<v Speaker 1>connection was at work, so it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like the late nights T one connection something like

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<v Speaker 2>bring up the Clown.

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<v Speaker 1>It was better than than home. But like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I had to log on right with the work computer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so you were just.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking up various kinds of pornos and send everybody was

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<v Speaker 2>they would I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember, I don't and I don't remember exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>we would find them, and but I just there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>like files of oh three hundred you know, we weird

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<v Speaker 1>sex photos, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex photo of course it would have been JPEGs back then. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have the speed together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know. You know, Well, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Were people crowding around one's screen or was it just

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<v Speaker 2>a luck and aft?

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<v Speaker 1>There was some crowding around one screen. There was one

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<v Speaker 1>guy in the office who would hit his his desk

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<v Speaker 1>faced the door, so you'd see the back of his

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<v Speaker 1>computer screen and he would he would I fell for

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<v Speaker 1>it like three times, like a hey, Comara, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to show you something, and you come around and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the most horrific, right yeah, the most like not

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<v Speaker 1>at all sexual sex thing. And so after a while

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<v Speaker 1>he'd say like, hey, come here, and I fuck you, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not falling for that again.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am cursed with two brothers, and Matthew and

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<v Speaker 2>William are they older or both all of my sister

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<v Speaker 2>and older as well. Matthew is a grotesque fellow and

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<v Speaker 2>has shown me terrible things. So I've become kind of

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<v Speaker 2>desensitized to the whole thing. And I remember the first

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first days working at a pr FAM.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to all the guys like, hey, Ed, come

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<v Speaker 2>check this. You should come check type this into and

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<v Speaker 2>it was meat spin, do not look this up? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember them going being like, check out meat

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<v Speaker 2>spin and it is a man's really going in a circle. Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I sat there in complete silence for several minutes, my

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<v Speaker 2>fingers just steepled and could see out the corner of

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<v Speaker 2>my eye the deep discomfort right right because.

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<v Speaker 1>That you were soaking it in.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just just like Ginda Wakari from me Van Gelien,

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<v Speaker 2>just sitting there, just like staring at it. And after

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<v Speaker 2>that I never got to sent anything gross again. They

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't send me anything because they knew that just also,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they kind of knew that I might retaliate

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<v Speaker 2>one day. And I really this entire episode doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be about gross stuff. But I come from a

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<v Speaker 2>darker place of the Internet, like I was on like

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<v Speaker 2>early forums and like bulletin boards and used net not

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<v Speaker 2>the worst part of.

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<v Speaker 1>News buying and selling foreign bab.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was like twelve, and so the people were

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<v Speaker 2>doing that around me, and so that was fun, but

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<v Speaker 2>I also got to see so many horrible things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and like there's Painful and her listeners who remember Painful

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<v Speaker 2>do not look up any of the things we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>It is funny, though, because that used to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the early Internet was just like hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>found something gross, look at that shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gone now because there's no entire creddits for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and I don't yeah. And also it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like the novelty sort of yeah, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>too quick. Yeah, that was like, oh that was because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, can you get like the worst kind

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<v Speaker 1>of uh you know, the worst kind of pornography? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you can. And then you know it's like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now you can get it immedia. Yeah it's not my

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<v Speaker 1>And because if it's not your thing, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>not my you know, like my pornography, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, like if there was a search on

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<v Speaker 1>a porn website for people being nice to each other, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like that would be my I'm very boring for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a and a woman they walk into the room,

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<v Speaker 2>they shake hands, and they sit in complete silence for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour rock hood every.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, and then they start fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the video I'm not interested implications enough for me, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think and I will say, there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with having your particular proclivities. The sex positive show and

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<v Speaker 2>all that, But nevertheless, it is funny watching the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>move away from pornography and towards being insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, yes, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We just had Geeta Jackson and Nathan Grayson from Aftermath,

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<v Speaker 2>a gaming website, and it's just talking about how games

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<v Speaker 2>used to be. Like when I start on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, oh, you could look at like forums

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<v Speaker 2>video games and we tall talk about which characters were cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's like, oh you don't like cloud Stripe and

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<v Speaker 2>File Fantasy seven, I will kill you, Yeah, I will

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<v Speaker 2>snipe you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get involved in any Internet communities? I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're quite active in Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I well, Twitter was my main one. You know

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<v Speaker 1>which Twitter? Twitter was a new like the a real

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<v Speaker 1>step of being on online right line for me, And

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<v Speaker 1>I got on Twitter. You know that this was social

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<v Speaker 1>media was a new thing, you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and like I say, I got on Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute and then I just I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's too many people going, you know. It was it

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<v Speaker 1>just felt like having an open door in your house

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<v Speaker 1>that just people could come and go, hey, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk and like, no, I do not want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye had a sandwich?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you thinking? Yeah? Yes, guys anyway can but

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<v Speaker 1>so uh I actually, uh it was it was right

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<v Speaker 1>before I went back to work for Conan on the

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight Show. I believe, I think the time, because it

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<v Speaker 1>was like twenty ten. Yeah, Twitter would have been that

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<v Speaker 1>would I can't I can't remember. That would make.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense though, because that was a few years into Twitches.

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<v Speaker 2>It has become more than just digital perverse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, And and I had friends like, uh my

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<v Speaker 1>friend Steve Ag comedian Steve Ag actor. He told me

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter is really fun, like it's like it's like jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, okay, because you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had already quit Facebook. I was playing in the

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball All Star Game was down in Anaheim, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and I played, And I did this a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>I played in the Celebrities and Old Time Baseball Guys

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<v Speaker 1>charity softball event It's like a couple of days before

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<v Speaker 1>the actual All Star Game. So I was going down

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<v Speaker 1>there and the production coordinator for Conan called me and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got an offer. They know you're playing there. If

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<v Speaker 1>you would get on Twitter and tweet about what you

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<v Speaker 1>know about the game, you might get a new iPhone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, all right, sure, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So I in the car on the drive to Anaheim,

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<v Speaker 1>I signed up for Twitter. And then it was like

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<v Speaker 1>I very quickly did see like and as I ever

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<v Speaker 1>referred to it. For me in those early days, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the joke Jim. It was like where we

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<v Speaker 1>all went to be funny, you know, yeah, just think

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<v Speaker 1>up silly stuff, and it wasn't. And I never And

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<v Speaker 1>it's I think the reason I liked it so much

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<v Speaker 1>is that I wasn't. It was just for pure enjoyment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean I think you know, I'm saying funny,

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<v Speaker 1>smart ass shit all the time, right, and and so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something funny will occur to me. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an act, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's like if I see something funny

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<v Speaker 1>on the street, I'm not gonna like take it to

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<v Speaker 1>the TV show and say here's this funny you know

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<v Speaker 1>Chinatown sign I saw, you know, so I just would

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<v Speaker 1>do it for fun and it was and it was

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<v Speaker 1>fun and it was also just fun to give away

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<v Speaker 1>happiness and funniness. And I and I started to meet

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<v Speaker 1>like comedians who are like, why are you on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like why would you waste your material? I'm like, so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, waste what are you talking about? It's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there was very little sort of professional urge

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, motive behind anything I did on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would promo things when I had things

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<v Speaker 1>to promo, but it was mostly just fun and I

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<v Speaker 1>met people, you know, people who are now my ir

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<v Speaker 1>L friends, you know, like and you know, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was certainly in those early days it was what

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<v Speaker 1>was great about and just in comedy terms and I

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<v Speaker 1>and it probably holds in poetry terms and in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>technical writing terms. There's no gatekeeper. So that which is

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<v Speaker 1>why there were so many women that that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>funny comedy women that came up and got their start

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<v Speaker 1>with Twitter, because they, you know, there there were gatekeepers

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<v Speaker 1>that kept women from being funny in front of people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the twitch is the other problem of

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<v Speaker 2>woman female comedians being like corrected for their jokes. And

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<v Speaker 2>you see you still see that on Blue Sky and

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a more democratic force I think

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<v Speaker 2>for any kind of joke telling the thing that. The

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<v Speaker 2>only thing that really bothered me with it was this

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<v Speaker 2>do you ever see fave Star?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So there was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't even does it still exist.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't, but the soul lives on. It's soul caliber

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<v Speaker 2>and it's what it was explain for the listeners. So

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<v Speaker 2>there is this thing called fab Star and around it

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<v Speaker 2>this growing clique of deeply unfunny people that we will

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<v Speaker 2>repost each other's shit, and it created this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>noxious version of what you're talking about, where what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about is like I as a funny person, I've

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<v Speaker 2>I've found a thing that made me laugh. I posted

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<v Speaker 2>these people. You see them on blue Sky now, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell they're on Blue Sky because they have

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<v Speaker 2>a list in their profile auto block. If I see

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<v Speaker 2>someone with a list of their posts and their blue

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<v Speaker 2>Sky block them, I'm a very petty person.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what do you I don't unerstand what you mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So what it is is that you can you can

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<v Speaker 2>do a search on blue Sky and you could do

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<v Speaker 2>this on Twitter, where it's just your posts, yeah, with

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<v Speaker 2>no replies. What they're doing is like all my funniest bits.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like if you have to do a list of

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<v Speaker 2>your funniest post and not funny, right exactly. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting and very actually heartening to hear that there

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<v Speaker 2>is also the honest company side from Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Do you think it's going off to blue sky

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<v Speaker 2>itzel or is it different?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I mean, and that's why I mostly do blue

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<v Speaker 1>Sky now is because it feels the most like like

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<v Speaker 1>the joke Jim, you know, whereas And I'll look sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>at threads, which has a I mean, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>very technical, so I don't understand. I don't understand, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I likened it once. I actually was

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<v Speaker 1>on a conference call once with just like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>different people that like from somebody that i'd done political

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<v Speaker 1>organizing with was also doing sort of like social media

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<v Speaker 1>social media, like how do we make social media work

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<v Speaker 1>for us? And there was this big call about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>different formats and what's next now that Twitter sucks, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, like I feel like I'm with auto

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<v Speaker 1>executives and I just want to drive the thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't care about how it works or

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<v Speaker 1>the different sort of programming behind. I just want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to I want a particular experience. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to point it in a direction and go in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't know what Threads is, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just know that like the way that it shows me,

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<v Speaker 1>shit is out of order, and you know, and just

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<v Speaker 1>irritating and lots of let me tell you a four

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<v Speaker 1>part story about this old man that you know gave

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<v Speaker 1>me advice and changed my life. Yeah, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of okay, that's nice and all, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the jokes, where's the weirdos exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>And where's the chaos? Yes, I described it is. It

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me specifically of a mole in Dallas, Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>Galleria mole in like a luxury gallery.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad, that's right. I don't and I'm not being

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<v Speaker 1>a wise ass. I just you know, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>would want to know if.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a thread zaust reply. But it's very luxurious. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really nice. There's tons of stuff. They no reason to

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<v Speaker 2>be that. You just go there and you feel your

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<v Speaker 2>soul Wilt. Yeah, Threads is just weird. I went on

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<v Speaker 2>there earlier and there was just a post where a

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<v Speaker 2>guy said, yeah, I had a conversation with a guy

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just a completely made up conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>a person about using Mac products. And there were like

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<v Speaker 2>eleven replies of people like yeah, and it's like, did

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<v Speaker 2>you all just get in the same car crash?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's bizarre. And I think what it is

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<v Speaker 2>is tech companies don't seem to understand how human beings interact. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the more that they wheeld that power to that

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<v Speaker 2>conference call you're on the moment you try and systematize

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, the joy exits immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So have you felt like social media change how you

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<v Speaker 2>do comedy? Though? M like the feedback loop even.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I shouldn't even have paused, because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, A big reason, a big thing, a big

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<v Speaker 1>effect was learning what's not funny anymore? You know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you might call it wokeness or you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>like learning things. The one that I've always that I

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<v Speaker 1>is just the one of the most forefront ones is

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<v Speaker 1>the M word for little people. And that used to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, you know, comedy msg if there was a gap,

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<v Speaker 1>just throw in the m you know, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>or tossing and you know somebody you know, and and that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I say, and I think when when the Conan

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<v Speaker 1>Show started, I think we use that word and then

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, you know, with words that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, you don't know what words are hurtful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some of them are quite obg you know

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<v Speaker 1>the ones. Yeah, but then there are some that's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's hurtful to somebody, Okay, yeah, I can you work

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<v Speaker 1>around that. I don't. I don't if if anything, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge, yeah, exactly. And there were other and they

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<v Speaker 1>were just other things too. There were there's some that

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<v Speaker 1>like that where it gets to be a verbiage thing,

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<v Speaker 1>or there's just scolds that want to scold you for

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and also comedy sometimes comedy is really

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<v Speaker 1>messy and dark and sort of like wait, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like you're hinting at violence, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a joke, you know what I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>made up. And I have learned also too, not just

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<v Speaker 1>from a sense of you know, sort of uh gracious goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to not hurt people's feelings. There's also like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I could say that, but then if a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>fucking people will go crazy, And I don't need that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't need people wasting my time with

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<v Speaker 1>scolding me because you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there is this vast division. I

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<v Speaker 2>know where you land them, that there's the division between

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<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about, which is like, yeah, there's things

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<v Speaker 2>that I like. Social media is kind of a good

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<v Speaker 2>paramata for societal acceptance. Yeah, yeah, we look at society

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<v Speaker 2>right now and perhaps more things are up for question

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<v Speaker 2>I like. But then there's I feel like a with

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Sky especially, there is a sensitivity on certain subjects

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<v Speaker 2>writ large and Blue Sky kind of you can get

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<v Speaker 2>enveloped if you say the wrong thing, yes, or even

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<v Speaker 2>something that's inspired. And to be clear, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>some oblique way in which I'm saying I was racist

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<v Speaker 2>the other day and people got mad. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. Even Like, there's a guy called Mike

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<v Speaker 2>mas Nick who's on the board of Blue Sky and

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<v Speaker 2>he does tech dirt. Great guy. He posted about using

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<v Speaker 2>AI the other day and people went completely fucking nuts

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<v Speaker 2>on him just reading stuff he didn't say. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that that is a problem and gets into

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<v Speaker 2>comedy where people just don't want certain subjects to be

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<v Speaker 2>up for discussion. And I think some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>interesting stuff in comedy can come from the more challenging stuff. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about race, not talking about sexism. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is not an approval of that. Yeah, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just thinking of dear friend Chloe Radcliffe, great great comedians.

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<v Speaker 2>This a show called Cheat, which is about her propensity

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<v Speaker 2>in the past to cheat. It's a dark show, very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that comedy can go in some incredible directions,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Internet and just digital production can actually take

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<v Speaker 2>it in so many different directions. And my problem really

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<v Speaker 2>is is that social media is right now elevating some

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<v Speaker 2>of the shittiest comedy I've ever seen. It's some great comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>just some of the most just base level just slop

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<v Speaker 2>because and it's not even people being safe. It more

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<v Speaker 2>often than not, it's people being deeply rude center right,

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<v Speaker 2>going like, oh I can't say this anymore. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>seen to say a slur. And it's it's frustrating because

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<v Speaker 2>there are more comedians than ever and more doing really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting shit and I feel like they get drowned out sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes they do, and I mean a big reason

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<v Speaker 1>for that is there was a calculated drive to and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just I know this from my producer

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<v Speaker 1>on my podcast telling me that there's actual data about

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of like Broy stand up kind of run

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<v Speaker 1>of the mill Broy stand up podcast that is just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I mean, and I can't I'm not saying,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like there's a revolving door in my world

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<v Speaker 1>of like I go on their podcast and they come

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<v Speaker 1>on my packcast excuse me, and there's a there's the

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<v Speaker 1>Broe comedy version of that where it's like, oh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>always just kind of in a circular thing and the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of political content has gone through the roof on

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<v Speaker 1>those because they were all sent talking points and they

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<v Speaker 1>all would have the same talking points like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris can't lead a wartime nation and.

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<v Speaker 2>So kind of like an almost like a propaganda poison.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely in the same way, and it's somehow in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. I don't because I've always been amazed and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on Blue Sky you don't see it as much.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the right wing trolls like they get marching

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<v Speaker 1>orders because they all start seeing the exact same thing

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<v Speaker 1>at the exact same time. And I'm like, are they

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<v Speaker 1>unlike a facts list? Like how where when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you believe you come from? Is it Fox News? Where

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<v Speaker 1>are they hearing this ship?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's when you believe in nothing, you just

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<v Speaker 2>go you, oh, couldn't just agree to the same fight

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<v Speaker 2>right at the time, you can be like we're mad

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<v Speaker 2>at bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Right well, and also too, it's like I I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it. You know, the people say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>cult and stuff, and like, yeah, all right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what you want to call it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's living in a compound and shaving their heads. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're you know, it's if it's a cult,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a very loose and free cult that's

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 1>wandering around free form. But it is kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>thing like, no, I've decided that this is where I'm at,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is like there's a very particular

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person that's a right wing troll that just

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<v Speaker 1>like there's just a different sort of character choices that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of boil it down onto its essence and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's things like I don't follow the rules. I make

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the rules, you know, And that's like that. So then

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is like, oh my, he's the new plu

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<v Speaker 1>ultra of of I don't you know. The rules aren't

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I make the rules. And that's so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like if you say, well, wait, that's racist, they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't you know, Or that's or tariffs are terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not, you know, And it's just they don't

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the actual and it's why you can't win.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why it's you know, I just tread water until

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<v Speaker 1>you drown, because they don't, you know, the facts and

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<v Speaker 1>figures and things and the data don't matter. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always going to be entrenched onto my side until

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<v Speaker 1>their grandmother starps stops getting their checks, and that's around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner and until you know, the government just sees

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<v Speaker 1>right right and they don't and they don't get their

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<v Speaker 1>tax returns, you know, because the mail's broken and the

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<v Speaker 1>I R. S is broken, or their Social Security payments

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<v Speaker 1>stopped because it's all fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a fun story for you. So twice on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, I've talked about just another instraction for any

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<v Speaker 2>anti trans people listening. Just another update on my instructions.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be in the garage. The doors should be closed,

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<v Speaker 2>the car may not be started yet. Red that engine, baby,

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<v Speaker 2>Read that engine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not getting sleepy, get the tube, go to

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<v Speaker 2>the exhaust, and then put that bad boy in the window.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the sleepy juice. You need more of that now.

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<v Speaker 2>I got several emails from people saying, you can't say that,

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.439
<v Speaker 2>you can't suggest anti trans people kill themselves, And the

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<v Speaker 2>answer is, watch me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I think the whole fucking who's the

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan of the left thing doesn't make sense. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you break it down into what it is,

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>it's everything you're talking about, which is there is no

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>like insane propaganda unity across the left and also the left.

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking hate the term as well, because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the left. Depending on who you talk to, it refers

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 2>to like CBS News or Marxists. It's complete medium of

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 2>different things. But ultimately it is because people actually have

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 2>beliefs that they stick to and those can change within

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.200
<v Speaker 2>distinct groups. That is the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>And they also too, don't walk in lockstep on every

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.879
<v Speaker 1>single issue you know, people have, Like you know, you

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>can think that socialized medicine is a wonderful thing, but

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.239
<v Speaker 1>you also are you know, because you're Catholic or what

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, you know, you're you're you know, anti

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.359
<v Speaker 1>abortion and that and that. You know, So there's like

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<v Speaker 1>there's too many varying issues within the liberal whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to call it, the not right world that it's

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<v Speaker 1>never you don't get locks which is quite you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is inconvenient.

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And also the right, the right wing of really unlock

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>step with what they hate. Yes, and that's the thing

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 2>is you can hate them like I, I just feel

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>like there is a certain degree of meekness with it.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 2>And also when Podsave America is one of the largest,

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that's also never a great start. Also another really simple

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>thing is and even think it's been into this as

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 2>well and others have as well, where it's like there's

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<v Speaker 2>also not multi billionaires backing every single leftist podcast right,

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<v Speaker 2>which would be really funny.

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>That would be awesome if it would be really fun

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>if there was just.

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Like billions of dollars going into guys just doing like

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>eighteen hour seasons of podcasts about why made a care

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>for all is necessary. Sadly we don't have that kind

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 2>of unity in any way and it sucks. And it

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>sucks as well because I think that there is this

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 2>getting back to comedy as well, there's this assumption with

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 2>comedy as well. It's like it has to be rude

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 2>to be funny. Yeah, it can be tragic, there can

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.479
<v Speaker 2>be There were and one of my favorite thing, one

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.640
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite things that made me laugh and I'm

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>not laughing at the event. You're going to know where

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm going with this. In the second guy did a

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.400
<v Speaker 2>wonderful stand up thing, not funny, describing, like post nine

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 2>to eleven, how he his Muslim was horribly mistreated and

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 2>he was to I'm going to look this up and

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 2>get the lengthies, like talking about how people hated him,

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 2>hate other people of color, anyone who was brown with

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>was treated horribly and how it really pushed him towards

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 2>his faith in unity in this community. And he stops

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 2>at the end of about a minute a half he goes,

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 2>did nine to even work? And it's just like fucking amazing,

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 2>just like perfectly done. Because someone could scold him if

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>he was not describing his actual experience, right, And it's

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 2>just I feel like the future of comedy is going

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to be so fucking weird because both the subject matter

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and the speed at which things work and happen is

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>so different to how he used to be used to. Actually,

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>here is a question, how did you prepare for the show?

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Just a very basic like an for the show? How

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 2>much work did you have to do, like day to day,

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>day to day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was earlier on, you know, like back in

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>the late night days. I was a writer on the

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>show and was expected to do for the first few

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>years as much as any other rider. Like you know.

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.360
<v Speaker 1>There we had a board that had five, you know,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>five columns which were the days and then act one,

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Act two, Act three x four, five x six, and

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you had to fill them and you know, some of

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>them were filled with guests. There were a guest band

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But you had to fill those spots with

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>bits that you came up. So they'd put a card

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.479
<v Speaker 1>in there that would be like, you know whatever, you know,

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Zoo detective, and it would be up there with your initials,

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, down on the corner. So I was expected

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 1>to do that. And then there were also like just

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>different bits that kind of were handed to me that

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.679
<v Speaker 1>that that we they'd come up with a new one.

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>They'd be like, here, you write this, because you're good

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.360
<v Speaker 1>at writing this particular kind of thing. And then there

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>was also two I started. I was the first one

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to do remotes because Robert Smigel, who was running the show,

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to send Conan out on remotes because that

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>was very much a David Letterman thing, like the host

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>going out and being the host out in the world,

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>whereas I was kind of going out and being this NiFe,

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, this kind of you know, boy man boy

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>out in the world. And so I was doing remote

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and I would have to edit those, you know, I'd

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:13.479
<v Speaker 1>come back from the Arkansas State Fair and you know,

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>get off the you know, go to bed and then

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.360
<v Speaker 1>go into the work the next day and start cutting

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>that piece and working sometimes to you know, three four

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning and getting that rink. Was this

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>physical media or was this it was video? Okay, yeah,

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>it was it was video. It was all on big

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>three quarter inch tape.

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>That was kind of what Yeah, So that's because that.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't it was not digital back in those days in

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the nineties.

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Because that's the thing. The speed of itseration there and

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the speed of things happening like it sounds like several days,

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 2>it's no more. Yes, what's fascinating? Mean, have you ever

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>seen Josh Johnson incredible stand up comedian, so.

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>The names from I maybe lots of jas in comedies.

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>This he's on the Daily Show. He's fantastic African American guys,

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 2>one of the funniest guys. Has this amazing kind of

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>like slow drill everything he does. But I think he

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 2>might be the future of comedy for one reason. He's

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I can write. Really, I've never seen anyone who writes

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that fast other than me and I write newsletters and

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>they swear and all. He will have a new bit

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>about something that just happened immediately. Yeah, he will have

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>like our ten minutes of fucking material, Yeah yeah, and

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>it will be about ill Muster something he did. He

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>had this amazing thing about there was a lawsuit with

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a rapper and I can't remember the name now, with

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>just this insane long thing where like a lawyer nearly

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 2>got censured or like sanctioned, I mean by the judge

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>because he would not reveal something that he shouldn't by law. Nevertheless,

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>it's insane watching these comedians have to go from this

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 2>thing where they don't know, I'm not a stand up

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 2>I know a few of them. It would go up

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>and prepare material, and they'd workshop a bit in open

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>mic nights and they'd try it, and then they have

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>a real show where they do it. Now it's just

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you have to just fucking burn material all the time.

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>You have to keep it relevantly. Yeah, and it almost

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>feels like it's going to breed in a different kind

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of comedian, one that can respond just way faster.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, yes, absolutely, And also too, there is there

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>is the real thing with comedians and I'm I'm you know,

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the reasons that I'm not a stand

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>up comedian and I'm glad I'm not a stand up comedian,

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>is that because you can't they Well, there's kind of

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>part of me that's like, really can't you Like if

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you tell a joke on it. What I was going

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to say is if you say, if you're there's a

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>bit on Instagram, you it can't go into your hour,

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>right because because that joke has already been heard and been.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Seen this like industry.

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just sort of the what you know, what

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:39.239
<v Speaker 1>do they call it common wisdom or whatever you call it,

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>conventional wisdom, That's the phrase I'm looking for. And I've

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.239
<v Speaker 1>always kind of been like really, you know, And and

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it's the same reason that they're so protective about people

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>filming them while they're working on stuff, you know, in

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a club somebody releasing, because then the jokes will be

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>out there, which it's kind of I mean, there's a yes,

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I understand it. But on the other hand, I also think, like,

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just probably more casual with material, and

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and because I've come from more of an

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>improv background and never had to like guard, you know,

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>like I'm constantly my card, you know, guard my words,

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>my precious, precious words. But they so they can't do that.

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>That's why you see so much crowd work, because crowd

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.479
<v Speaker 1>work is disposable, like and that's why. And you do find,

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.479
<v Speaker 1>like there's some really fantastic crowd work comedians, you know,

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>that you do see and and they will also sort

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of I mean, the best ones, the funniest ones, And

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>this is the main point that I want to make

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>about this whole thing. The best ones, the funniest ones.

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>You'll see them doing crowd work, but you'll also see

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of their act, Like I'm not afraid

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.959
<v Speaker 1>to give you a little bit of their act. And

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>the reason is is because they're artists, right, And the

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>difference between the people that are bitching about like I

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>can't say difficult things anymore is because they don't know

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>how to do it artfully, and the people that are

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>good at it are artists, and they do it artfully.

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>And you can hear the most uncomfortable shit from an

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>artist because they will know how to tell you it

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>in a way that resolves itself.

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's not inherently exploitative or walking yes, because that's

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>the thing with all of these comedians, are like, oh,

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>you can't say this anymore, then find something fucking else. Absolutely,

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>isn't this your goddamn job.

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>The notion that you can't do comedy is just demonstrably false.

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>There's comedy fucking everywhere. What are you talking about?

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>And life is more absurd than it's ever been. Yeah,

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean doing this show, well, I'm not a comedian.

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm funny in the other way. It's but even within

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the tech industry, it's just like right now, and you're

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 2>not a techi guy. You've got just like multiple multi

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>billion dollar companies, trillion dollar companies chasing AI in this

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 2>direction where like they all lose money and no one

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>really wants it, right, It's inherently fuckinghilarious. It's also very

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 2>grim to watch. But watching these kind of like damn

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>little weirdos and freaks walk around and say stuff that

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>no human beings should believe about making calls, it is funny.

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>And there's so much I don't want to say joy,

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of misery right now, but there's

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 2>so much different thing. There's so many different things that

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>you can make material from. I choose Josh Johnson because

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 2>he's even moved into some tech stuff because guess what,

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>everything is approachable from a human position if you don't

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 2>know well, and it's just like, oh, if I can't

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>be racist or sexist anymore amount of things, what do

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you fucking do with your day?

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Man?

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>You just go around just like dropping slurs and insulting. Yeah,

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, now that I think about it, probably that's

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 2>what guys do.

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's also just like it's it's people that want

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to recycle old tropes, you know, like about for fucking

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>women you know, or you know or in a yeah

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>he's cross dressers or whatever, you know, like they just

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>want to They're not coming up with anything new. They're

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>just regurg you to this sort of zeitgeist that guys

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>with backward baseball caps are going to go woo at animal.

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's inherently also kind of regressive because it's not

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>really all it says about them is man. You know

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>what would be funny if I said something hurt for

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not meant to do that, right, which is

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 2>what makes it funny. What was weird, though, is you

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>wanted you wanted to have a really horrible experience. Try

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>watching Family Guy. It is insane that that show aired.

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Just to any listeners. I don't really recommend watching it,

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>but Family Guy was insanely sexist, racist, like they say

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 2>actual slurs on there. It's crazy what used to be.

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>And I have to wonder if some of these right

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.919
<v Speaker 2>wing comedians or even just kind of like people would

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say that that was their identity. I just like

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>watching Family Guy and things like I'm being like, we

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>used to be able to just do entire episodes about

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Peter Griffin being Mexican, and that is an actual episode

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 2>of Family Guy. By the way, there is an entire

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 2>plot where he's an illegal immigrant. It's fucking insane. It

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>is insane. What used to be considered funny and aired

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 2>on TV.

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 2>In fact, there was a show called Black White. Have

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 2>you heard of this? There was a show on Fox

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.760
<v Speaker 2>in like two thousand and five where a white family

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>got blacked up, like full black face. It's insane, and

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>then a black family got whited up and it was

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>called black White. The world is insane. The world is

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>actually insane. When you look like we have. It might

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 2>not feel like we've come for, but we have.

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. On that SNL that fiftieth thing, you know, they

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 1>did sort of what I found to be a very

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>interesting little segment and also sort of you know, sort

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of they didn't have to like share their dirty laundry, right,

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>but it was just a little montage of their incredibly

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>rape past racist things go Asian and Asians and you know,

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Latinos and just really create and sexist stuff.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, I get why they did that, but I

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>personally wouldn't have I would have probably not not put that.

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I liked it because I thought, like, like

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.919
<v Speaker 1>I said, it seemed it's like it acknowledged the past. Yeah,

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 1>it was like somebody saying I used to make mistakes

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and I and I learned from them and I don't

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>do them anymore, which I always yeah, and also too,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they said though? I think so? I

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:21.959
<v Speaker 1>hope so I think that's what they meant.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:22.479
<v Speaker 2>I haven't watched.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were saying like, we can't get

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>away with this anymore. But even because it's so these

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.439
<v Speaker 1>bits are so shitty, I think.

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I think more what I'm suggesting is what frustrates me

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>with things like that. And I have not watched it,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 2>so I'm sure someone will email me saying I'm wrong.

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 2>It happens even when I'm right. If it's just them

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 2>showing it without making any commentary, that pisses me off

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 2>because it's just like, ah, we shouldn't do this again.

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Well they did preface it, they like, can you believe

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>we used to do this kindness?

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of cool. I like that, so somewhat subject change.

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>So AI have you used any of this?

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 3>I have not.

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I keep thinking like, oh, because I don't hear people,

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are because there aren't aspects to say,

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>chat GPT that are interesting to me. Like I have spaghetti,

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a green pepper, you know, tamarin sauce. What do I

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>do with it? And it'll give you a recipe and

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that's like that's pretty neat, you know.

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.919
<v Speaker 1>And then like I was just listening. I'm a Howard

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Stern listener, and he was messing around with it, and

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>he asked chat GPT because he's learning guitar and he

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>had some new guitar and it was the strings are

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.760
<v Speaker 1>making his fingers black. So he asked chat chat GPT,

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>why is my new guitar making my fingers black? And

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>chat GPT says, there's a you know, an oil that's

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 1>on there from the factory. That's a protective oil to

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>keep the strings from rusting, and so you know, if

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>you wipe it with a dry cloth, it should be good.

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, okay, that's pretty cool, you know, like

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>like to ask a question like that. I don't want

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>it to write your fuck and papers.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing.

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to. Yeah, I don't want to

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 1>watch a movie that just was made up out of

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 1>a machine mind. And I don't. I just have to

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>believe that it it won't be like that, like and

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 1>if it if that is, if it is like that,

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 1>that is a long, long long way away, you know.

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing that I am very anti. And

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>as part of the show, I have dug into open

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>a I a great deal and yeah, bad company and

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>all that. I think. What's funny about all of these

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 2>descriptions is I try and ask people who are not

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 2>super technical about this whole time, what do you use

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 2>it for? And every single person describes Google Search if

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>it worked. It's like, what if Google search all absolutely?

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 2>What if there was a website where you could ask

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>it something.

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Or if maybe if Siri wasn't stupid.

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And what's funny is they've added that I have

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>you you've got an iPhone? Yeah, so you've seen Apple

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Intelligence then.

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I I mean I have not. I have not attempted

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>it because I've heard some you've turned off. I don't

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>know if I've turned it off or not. But well,

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I do get a thing where it makes that sort

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>of like purple glow around ye wanting to do something

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>eye and I just ignore it. You know.

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing though, It's when then it's suggesting me texts,

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>which are not good response.

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Now I've they're almost never.

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I had a friend telling me about a really bad

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>relationship thing and it said, that's disappointing. It's like, I

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think that would have helped him.

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>You fucked that up?

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 2>You more?

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah yeah.

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>But and it's it does feel like they're just selling

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>us back something that works because the SERI does not

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 2>work better. It works worse.

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Now. I used to be able to I use I

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 1>think so too.

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 2>My big thing I use this for with Siri was

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>just reminder us, and I use them constantly. It'll be

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 2>like I will think of something at eleven thirty pm

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'll mutter it and it will work. Now it

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 2>works like eighty percent of Oh really, it used to

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>work nineteen percent of the time. But everything with describing

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>has been here for ten years. Other than maybe the

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>no no the string thing, if you I'm sure if

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>he googled that, it would have worked too.

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's very depressing because oh.

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, if you googled black residue on guitar strings,

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it would come up. Yeah yeah yeah.

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>And it's and the things I've found it useful for

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and my listener is going to beat my ass for this.

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't even use chat GPT because fuck that shit.

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>But large language models, when I've used them, have been like,

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>break down this complex paragraph of financial crap, explain it

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>in plain English. I will then have to go and

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.879
<v Speaker 2>verify that independently because they do not trust this shit.

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting how the long and short of it

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>is is what if Google Search was slightly bad? What

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 2>if Google's what if we had a website for questions?

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 2>And it worked? And then Google's ideas they just they're

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 2>doing AI overviews now and they just added a new kind.

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And now Google's idea is, what if we worked kind

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 2>of and it was way more expensive? Would you like that?

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:01.359
<v Speaker 2>We don't care?

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 2>Profits up?

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And what if it used all the energy unearthed?

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>What if it boiled small lakes and required us to

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>steal from every person forever? It's just see this is

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and that's the thing. It's frustrating to watch because this

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 2>whole the whole thing with the show that's doing this

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 2>show has been like what hoping things would get better

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 2>and watching them get worse and putting aside dose and

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>all that crap happening in the real world. Yeah, it

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like the tech is doing stuff to help

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 2>us anymore. Like it doesn't feel fun. Do you. You're

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 2>not a technical person, but you like gadget size. You

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>may still dick around with computers and such and a

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit.

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean not so much as I used to.

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 2>When did that stop?

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Just as I got older and I and I you know,

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and I got divorced and then got remarried, and I

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 1>have a five year old. Now I have a twenty

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.399
<v Speaker 1>four year old and nineteen year old and a five

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 1>year old. Nice five year old takes up a lot

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of times, you know. So I mean and also too,

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm fifty eight now, and and I you know, it's

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>like nobody wants to watch my shows, you know, in

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 1>my dad my shows are very dad show, like The Spot,

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the CIA Spy shit right not Reacher. Reacher is just

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>basically about like I've heard it describes as like what

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>if a guy was really big?

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 2>What if a giant was shown? Yeah? Yeah, but the

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 2>new season, I have a bigger guy.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm really big, fellow, I saw that, But

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I you know, like, uh, the agency

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and Paradise and those kind of shows, and then also

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.879
<v Speaker 1>too things like Traders, but Traders I'll watch with my wife,

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but she won't watch these other ones. They're too stressful.

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.720
<v Speaker 1>So once every everybody goes to bed, they go upstairs

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:47.720
<v Speaker 1>about like eight thirty nine o'clock. I'm good for maybe

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>an hour of watching something. So I'm not going to

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>be on at I'm not going to be playing video games,

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 1>right because A I'm a little too old. And this

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 1>isn't exactly right. I just didn't I never got good

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>at them, right, and so, and I don't know whether

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't have a facility for them, and and

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I did have an experience because I was given and

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember. I think it was early Xbox,

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>possibly maybe a PlayStation. And uh, it was early in

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>my time in New York City, a couple of years

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>after I've been living there. And there was a game

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 1>called road Rash. Yeah you remember that.

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I remember.

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I remember a motorcycle race where you could hit hit

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>each other with stuff nice and so, and this is

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>we're probably talking to nineteen ninety five six.

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh so okay, so that was the original.

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking the original that.

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.839
<v Speaker 2>Like a probably a psycha genesis.

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't I don't remember, but it was something.

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 1>It was swag.

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I very and I don't mean to

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>be a dick. It's just like when you're on TV,

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 1>people just give you free shit, and when it's like

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and when you're not on TV and when you really

0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>need free shit, nobody's there to give it to you.

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Ryan.

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>But that's you know. So I had this this game system,

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 1>played road Rash, and my sister in law, my ex

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>wife's younger sister, was living with us at the time,

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 1>and she and I would play road Rash and I

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>would I would think like, wow, we've been playing for

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 1>about an hour, and it would be five hours.

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, four or five.

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 1>And I just was like this is not good. This

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, this is just like that much loss of

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>time for me because I already my you know, one

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of my lifelong self critiques is is you're not doing enough,

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Like what don't you do more? You lazy fucker, get

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>off your ass and do something. Your life would be

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>better if you had more initiative. So to introduce a

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like justin actual time suck, Yeah, I was like, no, no,

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>this I cannot do this. I mean, and I you know,

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and I you know, I I haven't I quit now.

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I, throughout my life have smoked weed too.

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And that was enough. You know, that was like enough.

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like to me, it felt like like weed crack.

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what the game like, what gaming felt to me.

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like, this is because weed is such kind of

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like a little vacation from yourself. At least that's what

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.399
<v Speaker 1>it was for me. Yeah. Yeah, And and the game

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>was just like this is a vacation this I don't

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm I don't exist.

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 2>And road Rush absolutely ru Yeah.

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was really fun because when you said.

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation Xbox, they did remake it at some point the game,

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>you see, you get given free shit. I get given

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>emails emails from people correct to me about when road

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Rash came out. No, I love my listeners.

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I deeply love them.

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Actually, that's an interesting thing. It's slight different thing. So

0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:58.879
<v Speaker 2>I was having a conversation with some on it. Eric

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Silvery's over Multitude Productions used to be a client of

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>mine production podcast student. He brought up a thing about podcasting.

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually quite curious to run by you. How do

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>you feel about with podcasts, especially you seem like a

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 2>more positive guy. It feels like there's this weird thing

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>with him podcasts of just hating the audience.

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Like a derision for them, is there?

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so maybe not.

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 1>No. I mean I I am not a very good

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 1>podcast consumer. And as I already mentioned, I listened to

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Howard Stern and that takes up a lot of my

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 1>podcast and that's you know, that's since the early nineties,

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 1>right right, I've been listening to Howard Stern. So it's

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 1>my it's my ongoing soap opera comedy show, you know,

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Peeping Tom, Voyeuristic, look at all these weird ods. So

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 1>it takes up a lot of my time. And so

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't listen to a lot of podcasts. And again

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of like I'm kind of older

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and I just and it's I will listen to some,

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>like you know, there's some that I have that I

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:09.280
<v Speaker 1>do listen to occasionally and enjoy, but but it's usually

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 1>like like I just recently was listening to Jamie Loftus

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>is doing something called The Sixteenth Manager.

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 2>We're on Cool Zone Media.

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 1>She's a coworker. Oh wow, cool. Yeah, And then, you know,

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 1>because it was just well, she's really great, yes, you know,

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 1>and she's an incredibly talented person, and and it is

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>really interesting, like it's an interesting topic and it's and

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>almost all of them are of interest to me, whereas

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 1>there's lots of other podcasts where it's like, oh, that's

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of like the old Hollywood kind of ones.

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>There will be one that I'm like, that is fascinating,

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and then another one like I don't give a shit

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 1>about that one, you know, So it's you know, and

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that does.

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Actually lead somewhere far more interesting than my original question,

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.439
<v Speaker 2>which is it feels like the format of podcasts has

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of it's actually growing in something far more interesting

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>because Sixteenth Minutes started a few months after Better Offline,

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I think. And what Jamie does for the listeners who

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard and I assume you have because she's advertised

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 2>on here and so on and so forth, is Jamie

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 2>will find like an Internet celebrity of the day, like

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>a dress or bone, yes she got ken bone on

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the show, and then she'll do kind of an episode

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of like Better Offline listeners when I get extremely

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.280
<v Speaker 2>pissed off at open AI, imagine if that was about

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 2>something that mattered, oh was fun? Neither of which, And

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 2>it's it's interesting watching this format because it's changed comedy

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that now Instagram is basically you have

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 2>to constantly hit them with the highlight reels. With podcasts,

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 2>it's people feel trapped in these different formats that really

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.799
<v Speaker 2>do them a disadvantage. Because Jamie does great things in

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.720
<v Speaker 2>her show Molly Conger as well with Weird Little Guys

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Cool Zoneer's got this cool format of kind of just

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.919
<v Speaker 2>talking through a script and a story with a guest,

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>sometimes not with the guests. But I almost feel like

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>podcasting could return to something like Howard Stern. I think

0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like having you and studio is so much better, and

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm yeah, as a pro remote work guy,

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel bad saying this. It almost feels like we

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 2>do need to get back to, perhaps not exactly what

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Howard Sterne does, perhaps not exactly, but getting back to

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 2>what made broadcast actually good, which is narrative style shows

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 2>or in studio fucking actual conversations that are well produced,

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that have guests that know in like each other and

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.279
<v Speaker 2>actually are ready to do an interesting show. It's the

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 2>only reason Howard stuns. He's actually a good broadcast to

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 2>however you feel about him.

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, well, there's no question. Yeah, I mean the

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:34.240
<v Speaker 1>proof is in the fact.

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 2>That he's still here.

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Somehow he is still the more the biggest broadcaster there is, really.

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, the more things changed to all they stay

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 2>the same.

0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you how are you finding podcasting though, because how

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 2>is it different to what you've been used to?

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Well? For me, uh, it's and I don't mean to

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:59.479
<v Speaker 1>be like whiny about my career, like I'm not acting enough,

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like I'm not there's just not a

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of work out, you know, and when the when

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the Conan Show went off the air, you know, there's

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>things here and there, but there's just not enough stuff.

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 1>And especially and again I'm not like I'm not complaining

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>about like the state of woe Hollywood. I'm a fifty

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 1>eight year old white man in there's yeah, there's a

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>few of us, you know, so it's like you just

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:33.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're I don't. I don't doubt that I

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 1>am going to be working for the rest of you know,

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 1>until I want to stop, basically, and I and I

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 1>do believe that, like I always believe that somebody hires

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.359
<v Speaker 1>me there, that's a good thing, like I mean for them,

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 1>for them, yeah, for them, No, I mean I will,

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I will give them value for whatever they're paying. Right.

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 1>And But I started doing podcasting sort of cuz, you know,

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:07.800
<v Speaker 1>like just because just you know Conan. Well, honestly, uh,

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the way that it happened, I had people, uh on

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 1>my team, which I love saying, because my team we're

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 1>it's quite a team. We haven't met in years, but

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:26.399
<v Speaker 1>they still exist, I guess. But I had I've had

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 1>people say you should do a podcast, you should do

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a podcast, right, And there is something to it because

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:36.399
<v Speaker 1>I am when I think about, you know, the fact

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I am in comedy. That's my main thing. And one

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that I am funny is in conversation.

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:47.400
<v Speaker 1>And that's hard to you kind of saw on on Conan,

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.239
<v Speaker 1>but in just like sort of little pieces, but like

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 1>in a longer conversation, I can be funny, you know.

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.840
<v Speaker 1>And and I and I you know, know how to

0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 1>keep a conversation going. So they were telling me you

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 1>should you do a podcast, and I felt just sheepish

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 1>about it because I have friends like Scott Ackerman, who

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>does comedy Bang Bang and Jimmy Pardo who does never

0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 1>not funny, and those guys are real, Like I did

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>their podcasts and I was like, what is a podcast?

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 1>When I was doing their podcast, they were you know,

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>very early pioneers of whatever this thing is. So I

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.280
<v Speaker 1>felt like I would just be in like the diletanti

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 1>ish fucking you know, TV boy coming in with it.

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, like build like I can do it

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 1>too kind of thing. So I just was kind of

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed to do it. But then you know, it.

0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Was the first white boy to be embarrassed by podcasting.

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>But I just thought there was a certain point where

0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know what, it would be good. And

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 1>also too, it was like a point in my life

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>when I just was trying just try to I just

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I had a big moment where I was like I

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>need to say yes to things, I need to try things,

0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and and so I thought, yeah, let's do a podcast.

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 1>And I came up with the concept for the Three

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Questions podcast. And I started to do it, and I

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, I listened to it and made you know,

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:18.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of corrected and studied myself and thought about the

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>things that I didn't like what I was that I

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>was doing and the things that I did like that

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I was doing, and eventually, over those six years i've

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:32.960
<v Speaker 1>been doing it, got better at it. Right now, I

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:39.439
<v Speaker 1>feel very confident in my ability to do an hour

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>long interview that is very much listenable, funny, interesting, thought provoking,

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.839
<v Speaker 1>sometimes even and very much worth people's time.

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's not it's not always comedy.

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.279
<v Speaker 1>It's not always comedy. Yeah, it's not always comedy. And

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a part of me, and this is just my

0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.800
<v Speaker 1>old TV brain, there's part of me it's like, Wow,

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten good at this one thing. I'm not going

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 1>to be Charlie Rose. What the fuck is it?

0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, like, yeah, I'm I'm I know how to

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>interview me. Well, no, I know, but I mean but

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, I know how to interview people.

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's at the same time that like literally thousands

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of other people have learned how to interview people. And

0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not and I'm it's it's just like

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not and I don't mean to. I enjoy it.

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a fun thing, but I if if I got

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.279
<v Speaker 1>a busy, if I got busy acting, I would put

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 1>podcasting aside. And that's just the way it is, you know,

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and that's just my preferences, you know.

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:46.040
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. And it's interesting though, because it's like

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you moved into this little broadcast career because there was

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 2>space and that's what the internet to do.

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:53.959
<v Speaker 1>And I'm doing a radio show now.

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually the radio show. Do you go into studio

0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:57.399
<v Speaker 2>every time?

0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I do?

0:54:57.960 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I do?

0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And And it was originally sort of like the conception was.

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 1>And also because doing something live in the serious studios

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 1>is it like technically it's a much more complicated thing

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:16.000
<v Speaker 1>than just going in and recording something. So when we

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 1>when we first came, well, they came to me and

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.279
<v Speaker 1>they were like, we want to do more. We want

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the Conean channel to have some actual sort of radio

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.320
<v Speaker 1>content rather than just be old clips of the show

0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and podcasts.

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 2>And rare content being like interviews.

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Like a call in show that was They said, do

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you want to do a call in show? And I

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, fuck, yeah, that sounds fun. That sounds like,

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, I get to play radio.

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:43.000
<v Speaker 1>And and then so they came to me and like,

0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>we want you to do something. I was like and

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>they said, you know, like they were like, maybe more

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>of the three questions, and I was like, I don't

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 1>want to do more, you know, I do like once

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 1>a week is plenty of that podcast. But then they

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 1>said call in show. I was like, oh fuck, yeah absolutely,

0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 1>And I was like and I would just have be

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 1>silly topics that like you know, cocktail party conversations, you know,

0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 1>like yeah we just recently did like you know, when's

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the last time you shit your pants? Kind of stuff,

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and or dating disasters or medical nightmares and just just

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, meant to be sort of and there's something

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's some people like why do you focus

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>on all these on all these dark things. That's like

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't because that's how I made, you know, yeah yeah.

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's like what if I want to talk about

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, like when's the last time you were inspired

0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 1>by someone's good deeds? Fuck that, I don't care about that.

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear you shit your pants?

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Or if it's like fun stuf like happy fun stories

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.400
<v Speaker 2>can be fun, like you can laugh about you know,

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 2>there's actually vanishingly few of them, Like I've been working on,

0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:49.480
<v Speaker 2>uh of my newsletter at the moment, which people are

0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 2>going to really thrilling stuff about diet sentence you gonna

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 2>love this at it but one of the most magical

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<v Speaker 2>experiences when it's always work. So I want to about

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<v Speaker 2>their friends kaisekiawah amutually seeing tonight and things. I finally

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:02.439
<v Speaker 2>got to realize where he comes from, because he will

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.279
<v Speaker 2>get go down these rabbits holes with my rabbits holes.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, rabbit holes, rabbit holes. There we go, rabbits holes,

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.319
<v Speaker 2>and he would go down these rabbit holes, except he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you should email my mother, and his mother's in some

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of finance. So I've now got both his mother

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and him sending me links about the same thing. See,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a kind of lovely fun story that can be told. Yeah, However,

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the funniest stories are things like me moving the arm

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 2>on my tone and smacking myself right in the nutsag

0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like going, oh see that's funny, or like when

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 2>you shot your pants actually don't know, like twenty years

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 2>ago anyway, less about that the better. But it's something

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that strikes people of this that's really funny is despite

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 2>all of the technology, despite the fact that everyone could

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 2>podcast and broadcasts all the same, what we are describing

0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:49.800
<v Speaker 2>is basic broadcast fundamentals seem to actually be very fucking interesting.

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 2>That's what people really come to. We want connection, We

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>want to hear the absurdity of life.

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<v Speaker 1>As the radio died, all of what the radio was

0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:03.720
<v Speaker 1>filled with just came over here. People talking about stuff,

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>learning about you know, you being a listener, learning about stuff,

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you laughing, you know, you crying, you know, you hearing

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 1>creepy stuff, you know, gossipy stuff. That's just it was

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>just the radio, and now it's the radio over here,

0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, and the one things I think

0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I think about it. It's the same thing with streaming,

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, TV network TV is I mean, who fucking

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>watches network telling? I watched some of it the other

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's a it's astounding sometimes.

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:38.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think Blue Bloods is on every channel.

0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just you know, yeah, it's except it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really fictional because the police off its to solve crimes

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there's all kinds of cop shittwork. TV is just

0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 1>like cop worship, you know, and they solve crimes and

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like grown up Paul Patrol. But TV, you know,

0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 1>moved to streaming. And somebody pointed out because streamings, aren't

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you know? These companies pour a ton of money into

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>streaming and then they go, okay, now how do we

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<v Speaker 1>get that money back out? And they all go, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't more subscriber bazillion people on here,

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't know how to get the money back out.

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<v Speaker 1>So they start talking about advertising. Right, So we're just like, okay,

0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>we're just back to television then, but like somebody, I

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.960
<v Speaker 1>don't even remember who. I should have remembered who, because

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<v Speaker 1>it was an excellent point. We've gone back to the

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:36.880
<v Speaker 1>broadcast model, advertising paying for it, except all the worker

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 1>protections have been blown up, and all of the money, yes,

0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 1>all of the money is going to like they are

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:48.400
<v Speaker 1>small places, you know. Yeah, it's and it's the same

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 1>with podcasts. Yes, radio died, You've got podcasting and well

0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, podcasting is surviving on advertising dollars. Email.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, did anyone, by the way, you one of the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners who emailed me about the ai ads that run

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<v Speaker 2>after the air? I know one hundred and fifty of

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<v Speaker 2>you email me every extent. Did you hear the ai ad?

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<v Speaker 2>I know you are not the first person to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me I'm now going to get thirty emails being like handy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I like that they think that you're so like

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<v Speaker 1>royal that you don't even know who's advertising on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>And I even if I didn't know, I would know

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<v Speaker 2>now because I also get a fair amount of very

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<v Speaker 2>nice email, So I can't complain.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do, Yes, it's very evident that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's I think what it is is like what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying with with podcasting, it's the advertising has to

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<v Speaker 2>drive it. I know people who have started podcasting like, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't make this work because like where do I

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<v Speaker 2>get the money from reader pledges? And it's like what

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise, There's not actually that many people will pay

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<v Speaker 2>for stuff, right And I think that that's the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the bigger problems in media right now. There are

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<v Speaker 2>things that people will pay for this four or foot

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<v Speaker 2>four media. In tech, there's defector in sports, like there's

1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>some really great complications like that, and flaming hydro as

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<v Speaker 2>well another great one. But at scale it doesn't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it exists for podcasts like you

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<v Speaker 2>have like thirty podcasts that can make money on the

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<v Speaker 2>read it thing. Yeah, And it's just it's frustrating. And

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<v Speaker 2>also I don't know if it's fixable. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a way of making the patron model work,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's the one that's the most honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no input on those things I have. That

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<v Speaker 1>is so even beyond me, and I don't I'm terrible

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<v Speaker 1>with business and stuff. I mean, I understand making things entertaining,

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<v Speaker 1>right and I and that's that's it for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's whenever I've been approached about a television show and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, we wish more young women would watch, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, well, I don't know. I mean, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean one of my shows that was an actual

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<v Speaker 1>note and it just seemed to come out the other

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<v Speaker 1>end of just like lots of scenes of the characters

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<v Speaker 1>telling each other how much they liked each other, which

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<v Speaker 1>I just just point a certain point. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>is that is that it? And it just seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>what the woman do? Just it sticks?

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<v Speaker 2>Women have emotions. It's no when we did the because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what we're talking about is just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of broadcast fundamentals at some point. And so we did

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<v Speaker 2>a long thirteen and a half hours in five days

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<v Speaker 2>at CES big consumer it's called the Consumer Electronic Show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing we got.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a remote there.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're ever in, you'll join us? Yeah, no, please.

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<v Speaker 2>But the big thing I did was we're talked about

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<v Speaker 2>loving everyone, like the fact that we had friendship and

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<v Speaker 2>all this thing. We got so many emails being like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so nice to hear people saying they like each other. Oh. Absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to wonder if some of these shows

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<v Speaker 2>the big problem is they're like, how do we get

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<v Speaker 2>young women to listen to this? What like, have you

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<v Speaker 2>tried fucking asking one? Have you tried asking a woman?

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, noah, no, no, no, you can't do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to focus group it and there'll be a

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<v Speaker 2>bird in there. I think it's just it's And then

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<v Speaker 2>even with podcasts that don't do well, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>why is this not doing well? Does it suck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it boring? Because the other side of it is

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<v Speaker 2>there are a ton of podcasts that don't bother to

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<v Speaker 2>try that just they saw the I don't know, trap

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<v Speaker 2>a trap house or something like, oh, there's just a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of guys talking. But when you get down to

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<v Speaker 2>the core of it, it's like esscentually people who like

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<v Speaker 2>each other and enjoy being in this chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>Les. Yes, it's just they're good talkers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, they're good talking and words and such. Well. Andy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been such a pleasure having Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been really a fun and interesting conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>So where can people find you?

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<v Speaker 1>My podcast, The Three Questions, which is available at your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast store. I will put the Ladies in there as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and the in the same feed, you will get replays

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<v Speaker 1>of my call in show, which is on Serious XM

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesdays one pm Pacific What would there be four pm Eastern,

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<v Speaker 1>usually live, sometimes to tape, but lately it's just been

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<v Speaker 1>live because we've been able to and I've been getting

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<v Speaker 1>get I have a great guest host, usually somebody really funny, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's somebody that I want to be there. That's

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<v Speaker 1>That's the nice thing about my show too, is like

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<v Speaker 1>there's never somebody that's just like you got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to these person. Yeah, So it's a it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most fun hours of my week, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>always felt that if you have fun, your viewer or

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<v Speaker 1>listener will have fun. You have if you genuinely have fun,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's on on Sirius XM channel one oh four,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Conin channel. And I love I and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean honestly, I'm I am an early adopter of

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<v Speaker 1>satellite radio and I love satellite radio. I have it

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<v Speaker 1>in my car. I listen to it on my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just because of Howard, but it's like, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a very very sort of niche specific music channels

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<v Speaker 1>and that's totally up my alley.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell yeah, yeah, well, I've had a lovely time and

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get this thing off to this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a recording that I recorded at the beginning of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like my swagger and boldness. I will then

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<v Speaker 2>promise that I'm going to re record this. Mattasowski, my producer,

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<v Speaker 2>will hear this and he'll say, oh, it's gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>it this time. I probably won't. Nevertheless, I love you

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<v Speaker 2>all for listening. Thank you so much, Thank you for listening.

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