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Speaker 2: The future is bulletproof, the aftermath is secondary. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: batter Offline. I'm your host ed zech tron. Today were

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Speaker 2: joined in the beautiful Los Angeles, Nevada, and I'm joined

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Speaker 2: by Andy Richter, the comedian. Andy, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. On the way to the studio,

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Speaker 1: I got to see a man smoking crack, which I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that in the long time.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of that's nostalgia.

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Speaker 1: Sure it is. So you're still doing crack.

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Speaker 2: People are still doing crack in this know, that's what

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Speaker 2: they're saying. So, Andy, you've been so so nineties. Now

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Speaker 2: we're bringing the nineties back. I was listening to a

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Speaker 2: System of a Down. Sorry, I've been down this rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: This is tech podcast. We'll talk about stuff eventually. I've

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Speaker 2: been down this rabbit hole of listening to this band

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Speaker 2: called O two that does cover of bands in the

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Speaker 2: style of other bands. And there was a System of

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Speaker 2: a Down in the style of System of Down cover

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Speaker 2: of the Scatman song Wow. It was truly amazing, like

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Speaker 2: they nailed both the Scatman rap and the system of

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Speaker 2: a downtown Wow. And the comments on these things are

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Speaker 2: amazing because it's like fifty percent people like me saying

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Speaker 2: this is really great. At fifty percent people being like, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not, yeah, anything like the fucking Scatman. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Scatman fans are all out there. Anyway, you've been fairly

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Speaker 2: online for a while. I've noticed you on social media.

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Speaker 2: When'd your first get online?

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Speaker 1: Well, first online like on the Internet, would have been

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Speaker 1: in the early nineties when I started working on Late

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Speaker 1: Night with Conan O'Brien. That was that was when sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, there was AOL and in fact, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were. I was the first time online. It was AOL.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got one of those discs in the

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Speaker 1: and it was dial up and I had these clunky

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is it just like catalogs, you know,

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Speaker 1: like PEPSI would have a website and be like, well,

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Speaker 2: And then was that initial pair of when I remember

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Speaker 2: when I go online, when it was like ten yeah,

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Speaker 2: just like looking up companies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: But everything you you went to because it was dial

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, And and to go from one thing

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Speaker 1: and then I immediately got off of there, right, And

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Speaker 1: and of course then you know, like at the Conan Show,

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Speaker 1: And as usual with every new technology, the one of

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Speaker 1: the first primary uses is pornograph of course, so there

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Speaker 1: was you know, plenty of and because it's a comedy show,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just like people fucking. It was like people

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Speaker 1: filling up plastic pants with diarrhea. Okay, you know, stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, and that's what we'd be swapping around the office.

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Speaker 2: So wait, so you were on dial up doing this?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, well we were at work doing that. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what our internet

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Speaker 2: Was like the late nights T one connection something like

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Speaker 1: It was better than than home. But like, I don't

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Speaker 2: Looking up various kinds of pornos and send everybody was

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Speaker 1: Just remember, I don't and I don't remember exactly how

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Speaker 1: we would find them, and but I just there'd be

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Speaker 2: Sex photo of course it would have been JPEGs back then. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have the speed together.

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Speaker 2: Were people crowding around one's screen or was it just

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Speaker 1: There was some crowding around one screen. There was one

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Speaker 1: it like three times, like a hey, Comara, I want

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Speaker 2: So I am cursed with two brothers, and Matthew and

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Speaker 2: I got to all the guys like, hey, Ed, come

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Speaker 2: check this. You should come check type this into and

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Speaker 2: it was meat spin, do not look this up? Okay,

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Speaker 2: But I remember them going being like, check out meat

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Speaker 2: spin and it is a man's really going in a circle. Sure.

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Speaker 2: I sat there in complete silence for several minutes, my

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Speaker 1: That you were soaking it in.

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Speaker 2: No, just just like Ginda Wakari from me Van Gelien,

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Speaker 2: just sitting there, just like staring at it. And after

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Speaker 2: I think they kind of knew that I might retaliate

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Speaker 2: one day. And I really this entire episode doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to be about gross stuff. But I come from a

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Speaker 2: No, I was like twelve, and so the people were

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Speaker 2: I also got to see so many horrible things. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and like there's Painful and her listeners who remember Painful

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Speaker 2: do not look up any of the things we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: It is funny, though, because that used to be a

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Speaker 2: That's gone now because there's no entire creddits for it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I don't yeah. And also it's just

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Speaker 2: It's a and a woman they walk into the room,

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Speaker 1: Time, and then they start fucking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the video I'm not interested implications enough for me, right,

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Speaker 2: But I think and I will say, there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: all that, But nevertheless, it is funny watching the Internet

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Speaker 2: move away from pornography and towards being insane.

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: We just had Geeta Jackson and Nathan Grayson from Aftermath,

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Speaker 2: a gaming website, and it's just talking about how games

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Speaker 2: Now it's like, oh you don't like cloud Stripe and

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Speaker 2: File Fantasy seven, I will kill you, Yeah, I will

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Speaker 2: Do you get involved in any Internet communities? I know

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I well, Twitter was my main one. You know

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Speaker 1: I got on Twitter. You know that this was social

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Speaker 1: What are you thinking? Yeah? Yes, guys anyway can but

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Speaker 2: It has become more than just digital perverse.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And and I had friends like, uh my

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Speaker 1: like there's just a different sort of character choices that

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Speaker 1: sort of boil it down onto its essence and for me,

434
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Speaker 1: it's things like I don't follow the rules. I make

435
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: the rules, you know, And that's like that. So then

436
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is like, oh my, he's the new plu

437
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: ultra of of I don't you know. The rules aren't

438
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: for me. I make the rules. And that's so it's

439
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: like if you say, well, wait, that's racist, they're like, no,

440
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: it isn't you know, Or that's or tariffs are terrible.

441
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: They are not, you know, And it's just they don't

442
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: It's like the actual and it's why you can't win.

443
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: It's why it's you know, I just tread water until

444
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Speaker 1: you drown, because they don't, you know, the facts and

445
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: figures and things and the data don't matter. It's just

446
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be entrenched onto my side until

447
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: their grandmother starps stops getting their checks, and that's around

448
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: the corner and until you know, the government just sees

449
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Speaker 1: right right and they don't and they don't get their

450
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Speaker 1: tax returns, you know, because the mail's broken and the

451
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Speaker 1: I R. S is broken, or their Social Security payments

452
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Speaker 1: stopped because it's all fucked up.

453
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Speaker 2: So it's a fun story for you. So twice on

454
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Speaker 2: the show, I've talked about just another instraction for any

455
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: anti trans people listening. Just another update on my instructions.

456
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: You should be in the garage. The doors should be closed,

457
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 2: the car may not be started yet. Red that engine, baby,

458
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: Read that engine.

459
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Speaker 1: Now.

460
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: If you're not getting sleepy, get the tube, go to

461
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Speaker 2: the exhaust, and then put that bad boy in the window.

462
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: That's the sleepy juice. You need more of that now.

463
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: I got several emails from people saying, you can't say that,

464
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: you can't suggest anti trans people kill themselves, And the

465
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: answer is, watch me.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

467
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Speaker 2: And I think I think the whole fucking who's the

468
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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan of the left thing doesn't make sense. And

469
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Speaker 2: I think if you break it down into what it is,

470
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: it's everything you're talking about, which is there is no

471
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Speaker 2: like insane propaganda unity across the left and also the left.

472
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Speaker 2: I fucking hate the term as well, because it's like

473
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: the left. Depending on who you talk to, it refers

474
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Speaker 2: to like CBS News or Marxists. It's complete medium of

475
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: different things. But ultimately it is because people actually have

476
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: beliefs that they stick to and those can change within

477
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Speaker 2: distinct groups. That is the right way.

478
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Speaker 1: And they also too, don't walk in lockstep on every

479
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: single issue you know, people have, Like you know, you

480
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: can think that socialized medicine is a wonderful thing, but

481
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Speaker 1: you also are you know, because you're Catholic or what

482
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know, you're you're you know, anti

483
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Speaker 1: abortion and that and that. You know, So there's like

484
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Speaker 1: there's too many varying issues within the liberal whatever you

485
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Speaker 1: want to call it, the not right world that it's

486
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Speaker 1: never you don't get locks which is quite you know,

487
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Speaker 1: which is which is inconvenient.

488
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Speaker 2: And also the right, the right wing of really unlock

489
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Speaker 2: step with what they hate. Yes, and that's the thing

490
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Speaker 2: is you can hate them like I, I just feel

491
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: like there is a certain degree of meekness with it.

492
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Speaker 2: And also when Podsave America is one of the largest,

493
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: that's also never a great start. Also another really simple

494
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: thing is and even think it's been into this as

495
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: well and others have as well, where it's like there's

496
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Speaker 2: also not multi billionaires backing every single leftist podcast right,

497
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Speaker 2: which would be really funny.

498
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Speaker 1: That would be awesome if it would be really fun

499
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Speaker 1: if there was just.

500
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Speaker 2: Like billions of dollars going into guys just doing like

501
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: eighteen hour seasons of podcasts about why made a care

502
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Speaker 2: for all is necessary. Sadly we don't have that kind

503
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Speaker 2: of unity in any way and it sucks. And it

504
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: sucks as well because I think that there is this

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: getting back to comedy as well, there's this assumption with

506
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Speaker 2: comedy as well. It's like it has to be rude

507
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: to be funny. Yeah, it can be tragic, there can

508
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Speaker 2: be There were and one of my favorite thing, one

509
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: of my favorite things that made me laugh and I'm

510
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: not laughing at the event. You're going to know where

511
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Speaker 2: I'm going with this. In the second guy did a

512
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Speaker 2: wonderful stand up thing, not funny, describing, like post nine

513
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Speaker 2: to eleven, how he his Muslim was horribly mistreated and

514
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Speaker 2: he was to I'm going to look this up and

515
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: get the lengthies, like talking about how people hated him,

516
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: hate other people of color, anyone who was brown with

517
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: was treated horribly and how it really pushed him towards

518
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Speaker 2: his faith in unity in this community. And he stops

519
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: at the end of about a minute a half he goes,

520
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: did nine to even work? And it's just like fucking amazing,

521
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: just like perfectly done. Because someone could scold him if

522
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: he was not describing his actual experience, right, And it's

523
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Speaker 2: just I feel like the future of comedy is going

524
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: to be so fucking weird because both the subject matter

525
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: and the speed at which things work and happen is

526
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Speaker 2: so different to how he used to be used to. Actually,

527
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Speaker 2: here is a question, how did you prepare for the show?

528
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Speaker 2: Just a very basic like an for the show? How

529
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Speaker 2: much work did you have to do, like day to day,

530
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Speaker 2: day to day.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was earlier on, you know, like back in

532
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Speaker 1: the late night days. I was a writer on the

533
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Speaker 1: show and was expected to do for the first few

534
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Speaker 1: years as much as any other rider. Like you know.

535
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Speaker 1: There we had a board that had five, you know,

536
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Speaker 1: five columns which were the days and then act one,

537
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Act two, Act three x four, five x six, and

538
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Speaker 1: you had to fill them and you know, some of

539
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: them were filled with guests. There were a guest band

540
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: and stuff. But you had to fill those spots with

541
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: bits that you came up. So they'd put a card

542
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: in there that would be like, you know whatever, you know,

543
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: Zoo detective, and it would be up there with your initials,

544
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, down on the corner. So I was expected

545
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: to do that. And then there were also like just

546
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Speaker 1: different bits that kind of were handed to me that

547
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Speaker 1: that that we they'd come up with a new one.

548
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: They'd be like, here, you write this, because you're good

549
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: at writing this particular kind of thing. And then there

550
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: was also two I started. I was the first one

551
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: to do remotes because Robert Smigel, who was running the show,

552
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to send Conan out on remotes because that

553
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: was very much a David Letterman thing, like the host

554
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: going out and being the host out in the world,

555
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: whereas I was kind of going out and being this NiFe,

556
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, this kind of you know, boy man boy

557
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: out in the world. And so I was doing remote

558
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: and I would have to edit those, you know, I'd

559
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: come back from the Arkansas State Fair and you know,

560
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: get off the you know, go to bed and then

561
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: go into the work the next day and start cutting

562
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: that piece and working sometimes to you know, three four

563
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and getting that rink. Was this

564
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: physical media or was this it was video? Okay, yeah,

565
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: it was it was video. It was all on big

566
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Speaker 1: three quarter inch tape.

567
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Speaker 2: That was kind of what Yeah, So that's because that.

568
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't it was not digital back in those days in

569
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Speaker 1: the nineties.

570
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing. The speed of itseration there and

571
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: the speed of things happening like it sounds like several days,

572
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: it's no more. Yes, what's fascinating? Mean, have you ever

573
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: seen Josh Johnson incredible stand up comedian, so.

574
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: The names from I maybe lots of jas in comedies.

575
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: This he's on the Daily Show. He's fantastic African American guys,

576
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: one of the funniest guys. Has this amazing kind of

577
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: like slow drill everything he does. But I think he

578
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: might be the future of comedy for one reason. He's

579
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: I can write. Really, I've never seen anyone who writes

580
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: that fast other than me and I write newsletters and

581
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: they swear and all. He will have a new bit

582
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: about something that just happened immediately. Yeah, he will have

583
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: like our ten minutes of fucking material, Yeah yeah, and

584
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: it will be about ill Muster something he did. He

585
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: had this amazing thing about there was a lawsuit with

586
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: a rapper and I can't remember the name now, with

587
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: just this insane long thing where like a lawyer nearly

588
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: got censured or like sanctioned, I mean by the judge

589
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: because he would not reveal something that he shouldn't by law. Nevertheless,

590
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: it's insane watching these comedians have to go from this

591
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: thing where they don't know, I'm not a stand up

592
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: I know a few of them. It would go up

593
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: and prepare material, and they'd workshop a bit in open

594
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: mic nights and they'd try it, and then they have

595
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: a real show where they do it. Now it's just

596
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: you have to just fucking burn material all the time.

597
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: You have to keep it relevantly. Yeah, and it almost

598
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: feels like it's going to breed in a different kind

599
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: of comedian, one that can respond just way faster.

600
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yes, absolutely, And also too, there is there

601
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: is the real thing with comedians and I'm I'm you know,

602
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons that I'm not a stand

603
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: up comedian and I'm glad I'm not a stand up comedian,

604
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: is that because you can't they Well, there's kind of

605
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: part of me that's like, really can't you Like if

606
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: you tell a joke on it. What I was going

607
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: to say is if you say, if you're there's a

608
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Speaker 1: bit on Instagram, you it can't go into your hour,

609
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: right because because that joke has already been heard and been.

610
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Speaker 2: Seen this like industry.

611
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just sort of the what you know, what

612
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: do they call it common wisdom or whatever you call it,

613
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom, That's the phrase I'm looking for. And I've

614
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: always kind of been like really, you know, And and

615
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: it's the same reason that they're so protective about people

616
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: filming them while they're working on stuff, you know, in

617
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: a club somebody releasing, because then the jokes will be

618
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: out there, which it's kind of I mean, there's a yes,

619
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Speaker 1: I understand it. But on the other hand, I also think, like,

620
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just probably more casual with material, and

621
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Speaker 1: you know, and because I've come from more of an

622
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: improv background and never had to like guard, you know,

623
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Speaker 1: like I'm constantly my card, you know, guard my words,

624
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: my precious, precious words. But they so they can't do that.

625
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: That's why you see so much crowd work, because crowd

626
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: work is disposable, like and that's why. And you do find,

627
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: like there's some really fantastic crowd work comedians, you know,

628
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: that you do see and and they will also sort

629
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: of I mean, the best ones, the funniest ones, And

630
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: this is the main point that I want to make

631
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: about this whole thing. The best ones, the funniest ones.

632
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: You'll see them doing crowd work, but you'll also see

633
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of their act, Like I'm not afraid

634
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: to give you a little bit of their act. And

635
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: the reason is is because they're artists, right, And the

636
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: difference between the people that are bitching about like I

637
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: can't say difficult things anymore is because they don't know

638
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: how to do it artfully, and the people that are

639
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: good at it are artists, and they do it artfully.

640
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: And you can hear the most uncomfortable shit from an

641
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: artist because they will know how to tell you it

642
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: in a way that resolves itself.

643
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: And it's not inherently exploitative or walking yes, because that's

644
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: the thing with all of these comedians, are like, oh,

645
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: you can't say this anymore, then find something fucking else. Absolutely,

646
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: isn't this your goddamn job.

647
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: The notion that you can't do comedy is just demonstrably false.

648
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: There's comedy fucking everywhere. What are you talking about?

649
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: And life is more absurd than it's ever been. Yeah,

650
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean doing this show, well, I'm not a comedian.

651
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm funny in the other way. It's but even within

652
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: the tech industry, it's just like right now, and you're

653
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: not a techi guy. You've got just like multiple multi

654
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: billion dollar companies, trillion dollar companies chasing AI in this

655
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: direction where like they all lose money and no one

656
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: really wants it, right, It's inherently fuckinghilarious. It's also very

657
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: grim to watch. But watching these kind of like damn

658
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: little weirdos and freaks walk around and say stuff that

659
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: no human beings should believe about making calls, it is funny.

660
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: And there's so much I don't want to say joy,

661
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of misery right now, but there's

662
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: so much different thing. There's so many different things that

663
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: you can make material from. I choose Josh Johnson because

664
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: he's even moved into some tech stuff because guess what,

665
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: everything is approachable from a human position if you don't

666
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: know well, and it's just like, oh, if I can't

667
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: be racist or sexist anymore amount of things, what do

668
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: you fucking do with your day?

669
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Man?

670
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: You just go around just like dropping slurs and insulting. Yeah,

671
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: I mean, now that I think about it, probably that's

672
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: what guys do.

673
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: And it's also just like it's it's people that want

674
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: to recycle old tropes, you know, like about for fucking

675
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: women you know, or you know or in a yeah

676
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: he's cross dressers or whatever, you know, like they just

677
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: want to They're not coming up with anything new. They're

678
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: just regurg you to this sort of zeitgeist that guys

679
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: with backward baseball caps are going to go woo at animal.

680
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: And it's inherently also kind of regressive because it's not

681
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: really all it says about them is man. You know

682
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: what would be funny if I said something hurt for

683
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: and I'm not meant to do that, right, which is

684
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: what makes it funny. What was weird, though, is you

685
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: wanted you wanted to have a really horrible experience. Try

686
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: watching Family Guy. It is insane that that show aired.

687
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: Just to any listeners. I don't really recommend watching it,

688
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: but Family Guy was insanely sexist, racist, like they say

689
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: actual slurs on there. It's crazy what used to be.

690
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: And I have to wonder if some of these right

691
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: wing comedians or even just kind of like people would

692
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that that was their identity. I just like

693
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: watching Family Guy and things like I'm being like, we

694
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: used to be able to just do entire episodes about

695
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Peter Griffin being Mexican, and that is an actual episode

696
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: of Family Guy. By the way, there is an entire

697
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: plot where he's an illegal immigrant. It's fucking insane. It

698
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: is insane. What used to be considered funny and aired

699
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: on TV.

700
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

701
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: In fact, there was a show called Black White. Have

702
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: you heard of this? There was a show on Fox

703
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: in like two thousand and five where a white family

704
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: got blacked up, like full black face. It's insane, and

705
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: then a black family got whited up and it was

706
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: called black White. The world is insane. The world is

707
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: actually insane. When you look like we have. It might

708
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: not feel like we've come for, but we have.

709
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. On that SNL that fiftieth thing, you know, they

710
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: did sort of what I found to be a very

711
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: interesting little segment and also sort of you know, sort

712
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: of they didn't have to like share their dirty laundry, right,

713
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: but it was just a little montage of their incredibly

714
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: rape past racist things go Asian and Asians and you know,

715
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Latinos and just really create and sexist stuff.

716
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: You know, I get why they did that, but I

717
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: personally wouldn't have I would have probably not not put that.

718
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I liked it because I thought, like, like

719
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: I said, it seemed it's like it acknowledged the past. Yeah,

720
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: it was like somebody saying I used to make mistakes

721
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: and I and I learned from them and I don't

722
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: do them anymore, which I always yeah, and also too,

723
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: Is that what they said though? I think so? I

724
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: hope so I think that's what they meant.

725
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 2: I haven't watched.

726
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: I don't think they were saying like, we can't get

727
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: away with this anymore. But even because it's so these

728
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: bits are so shitty, I think.

729
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: I think more what I'm suggesting is what frustrates me

730
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: with things like that. And I have not watched it,

731
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: so I'm sure someone will email me saying I'm wrong.

732
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: It happens even when I'm right. If it's just them

733
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: showing it without making any commentary, that pisses me off

734
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: because it's just like, ah, we shouldn't do this again.

735
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: Well they did preface it, they like, can you believe

736
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: we used to do this kindness?

737
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: That's kind of cool. I like that, so somewhat subject change.

738
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: So AI have you used any of this?

739
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: I have not.

740
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: I keep thinking like, oh, because I don't hear people,

741
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, there are because there aren't aspects to say,

742
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: chat GPT that are interesting to me. Like I have spaghetti,

743
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: a green pepper, you know, tamarin sauce. What do I

744
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: do with it? And it'll give you a recipe and

745
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, like that's like that's pretty neat, you know.

746
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: And then like I was just listening. I'm a Howard

747
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Stern listener, and he was messing around with it, and

748
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: he asked chat GPT because he's learning guitar and he

749
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: had some new guitar and it was the strings are

750
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: making his fingers black. So he asked chat chat GPT,

751
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: why is my new guitar making my fingers black? And

752
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: chat GPT says, there's a you know, an oil that's

753
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: on there from the factory. That's a protective oil to

754
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: keep the strings from rusting, and so you know, if

755
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: you wipe it with a dry cloth, it should be good.

756
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, that's pretty cool, you know, like

757
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: like to ask a question like that. I don't want

758
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: it to write your fuck and papers.

759
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

760
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't want it to. Yeah, I don't want to

761
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: watch a movie that just was made up out of

762
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: a machine mind. And I don't. I just have to

763
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: believe that it it won't be like that, like and

764
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: if it if that is, if it is like that,

765
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: that is a long, long long way away, you know.

766
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that I am very anti. And

767
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: as part of the show, I have dug into open

768
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: a I a great deal and yeah, bad company and

769
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: all that. I think. What's funny about all of these

770
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: descriptions is I try and ask people who are not

771
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: super technical about this whole time, what do you use

772
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: it for? And every single person describes Google Search if

773
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: it worked. It's like, what if Google search all absolutely?

774
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: What if there was a website where you could ask

775
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: it something.

776
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Or if maybe if Siri wasn't stupid.

777
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's funny is they've added that I have

778
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: you you've got an iPhone? Yeah, so you've seen Apple

779
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: Intelligence then.

780
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: I I mean I have not. I have not attempted

781
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: it because I've heard some you've turned off. I don't

782
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: know if I've turned it off or not. But well,

783
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I do get a thing where it makes that sort

784
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: of like purple glow around ye wanting to do something

785
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: eye and I just ignore it. You know.

786
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: That's the thing though, It's when then it's suggesting me texts,

787
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: which are not good response.

788
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: Now I've they're almost never.

789
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: I had a friend telling me about a really bad

790
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: relationship thing and it said, that's disappointing. It's like, I

791
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: don't think that would have helped him.

792
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: You fucked that up?

793
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: You more?

794
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah.

795
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: But and it's it does feel like they're just selling

796
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: us back something that works because the SERI does not

797
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: work better. It works worse.

798
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Now. I used to be able to I use I

799
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: think so too.

800
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: My big thing I use this for with Siri was

801
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: just reminder us, and I use them constantly. It'll be

802
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: like I will think of something at eleven thirty pm

803
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: and I'll mutter it and it will work. Now it

804
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: works like eighty percent of Oh really, it used to

805
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: work nineteen percent of the time. But everything with describing

806
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: has been here for ten years. Other than maybe the

807
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: no no the string thing, if you I'm sure if

808
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: he googled that, it would have worked too.

809
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

810
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: It's just it's very depressing because oh.

811
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, if you googled black residue on guitar strings,

812
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: it would come up. Yeah yeah yeah.

813
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: And it's and the things I've found it useful for

814
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: and my listener is going to beat my ass for this.

815
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: I don't even use chat GPT because fuck that shit.

816
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: But large language models, when I've used them, have been like,

817
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: break down this complex paragraph of financial crap, explain it

818
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: in plain English. I will then have to go and

819
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: verify that independently because they do not trust this shit.

820
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: But it's interesting how the long and short of it

821
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: is is what if Google Search was slightly bad? What

822
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: if Google's what if we had a website for questions?

823
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

824
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: And it worked? And then Google's ideas they just they're

825
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: doing AI overviews now and they just added a new kind.

826
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: And now Google's idea is, what if we worked kind

827
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: of and it was way more expensive? Would you like that?

828
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: We don't care?

829
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

830
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: Profits up?

831
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? And what if it used all the energy unearthed?

832
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: Yes?

833
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: What if it boiled small lakes and required us to

834
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: steal from every person forever? It's just see this is

835
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: and that's the thing. It's frustrating to watch because this

836
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: whole the whole thing with the show that's doing this

837
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: show has been like what hoping things would get better

838
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: and watching them get worse and putting aside dose and

839
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: all that crap happening in the real world. Yeah, it

840
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like the tech is doing stuff to help

841
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: us anymore. Like it doesn't feel fun. Do you. You're

842
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: not a technical person, but you like gadget size. You

843
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: may still dick around with computers and such and a

844
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: little bit.

845
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean not so much as I used to.

846
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: When did that stop?

847
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: Just as I got older and I and I you know,

848
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: and I got divorced and then got remarried, and I

849
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: have a five year old. Now I have a twenty

850
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: four year old and nineteen year old and a five

851
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: year old. Nice five year old takes up a lot

852
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: of times, you know. So I mean and also too,

853
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm fifty eight now, and and I you know, it's

854
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: like nobody wants to watch my shows, you know, in

855
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: my dad my shows are very dad show, like The Spot,

856
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: the CIA Spy shit right not Reacher. Reacher is just

857
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: basically about like I've heard it describes as like what

858
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: if a guy was really big?

859
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: What if a giant was shown? Yeah? Yeah, but the

860
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: new season, I have a bigger guy.

861
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really big, fellow, I saw that, But

862
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, but I you know, like, uh, the agency

863
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: and Paradise and those kind of shows, and then also

864
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: too things like Traders, but Traders I'll watch with my wife,

865
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: but she won't watch these other ones. They're too stressful.

866
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: So once every everybody goes to bed, they go upstairs

867
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: about like eight thirty nine o'clock. I'm good for maybe

868
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: an hour of watching something. So I'm not going to

869
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: be on at I'm not going to be playing video games,

870
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: right because A I'm a little too old. And this

871
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: isn't exactly right. I just didn't I never got good

872
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: at them, right, and so, and I don't know whether

873
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: I just didn't have a facility for them, and and

874
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: I did have an experience because I was given and

875
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. I think it was early Xbox,

876
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: possibly maybe a PlayStation. And uh, it was early in

877
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: my time in New York City, a couple of years

878
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: after I've been living there. And there was a game

879
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: called road Rash. Yeah you remember that.

880
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: I remember.

881
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: I remember a motorcycle race where you could hit hit

882
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: each other with stuff nice and so, and this is

883
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: we're probably talking to nineteen ninety five six.

884
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh so okay, so that was the original.

885
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm talking the original that.

886
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: Like a probably a psycha genesis.

887
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't I don't remember, but it was something.

888
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: It was swag.

889
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: I know.

890
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I very and I don't mean to

891
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: be a dick. It's just like when you're on TV,

892
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: people just give you free shit, and when it's like

893
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: and when you're not on TV and when you really

894
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: need free shit, nobody's there to give it to you.

895
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: Ryan.

896
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: But that's you know. So I had this this game system,

897
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: played road Rash, and my sister in law, my ex

898
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: wife's younger sister, was living with us at the time,

899
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: and she and I would play road Rash and I

900
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: would I would think like, wow, we've been playing for

901
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: about an hour, and it would be five hours.

902
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, four or five.

903
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: And I just was like this is not good. This

904
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, this is just like that much loss of

905
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: time for me because I already my you know, one

906
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: of my lifelong self critiques is is you're not doing enough,

907
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: Like what don't you do more? You lazy fucker, get

908
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: off your ass and do something. Your life would be

909
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: better if you had more initiative. So to introduce a

910
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: like justin actual time suck, Yeah, I was like, no, no,

911
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: this I cannot do this. I mean, and I you know,

912
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: and I you know, I I haven't I quit now.

913
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: But you know, I, throughout my life have smoked weed too.

914
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: And that was enough. You know, that was like enough.

915
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: It's like to me, it felt like like weed crack.

916
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: That's what the game like, what gaming felt to me.

917
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: It's like, this is because weed is such kind of

918
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: like a little vacation from yourself. At least that's what

919
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: it was for me. Yeah. Yeah, And and the game

920
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: was just like this is a vacation this I don't

921
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm I don't exist.

922
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: And road Rush absolutely ru Yeah.

923
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really fun because when you said.

924
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: PlayStation Xbox, they did remake it at some point the game,

925
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: you see, you get given free shit. I get given

926
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: emails emails from people correct to me about when road

927
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: Rash came out. No, I love my listeners.

928
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: I deeply love them.

929
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: Actually, that's an interesting thing. It's slight different thing. So

930
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: I was having a conversation with some on it. Eric

931
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: Silvery's over Multitude Productions used to be a client of

932
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: mine production podcast student. He brought up a thing about podcasting.

933
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: I'm actually quite curious to run by you. How do

934
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: you feel about with podcasts, especially you seem like a

935
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: more positive guy. It feels like there's this weird thing

936
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: with him podcasts of just hating the audience.

937
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Like a derision for them, is there?

938
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so maybe not.

939
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: No. I mean I I am not a very good

940
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: podcast consumer. And as I already mentioned, I listened to

941
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: Howard Stern and that takes up a lot of my

942
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: podcast and that's you know, that's since the early nineties,

943
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: right right, I've been listening to Howard Stern. So it's

944
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: my it's my ongoing soap opera comedy show, you know,

945
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: Peeping Tom, Voyeuristic, look at all these weird ods. So

946
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: it takes up a lot of my time. And so

947
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't listen to a lot of podcasts. And again

948
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like I'm kind of older

949
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: and I just and it's I will listen to some,

950
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: like you know, there's some that I have that I

951
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: do listen to occasionally and enjoy, but but it's usually

952
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: like like I just recently was listening to Jamie Loftus

953
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: is doing something called The Sixteenth Manager.

954
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: We're on Cool Zone Media.

955
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: She's a coworker. Oh wow, cool. Yeah, And then, you know,

956
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: because it was just well, she's really great, yes, you know,

957
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: and she's an incredibly talented person, and and it is

958
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: really interesting, like it's an interesting topic and it's and

959
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: almost all of them are of interest to me, whereas

960
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: there's lots of other podcasts where it's like, oh, that's

961
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like the old Hollywood kind of ones.

962
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: There will be one that I'm like, that is fascinating,

963
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: and then another one like I don't give a shit

964
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: about that one, you know, So it's you know, and

965
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: that does.

966
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: Actually lead somewhere far more interesting than my original question,

967
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 2: which is it feels like the format of podcasts has

968
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: kind of it's actually growing in something far more interesting

969
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: because Sixteenth Minutes started a few months after Better Offline,

970
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: I think. And what Jamie does for the listeners who

971
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: haven't heard and I assume you have because she's advertised

972
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: on here and so on and so forth, is Jamie

973
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: will find like an Internet celebrity of the day, like

974
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: a dress or bone, yes she got ken bone on

975
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: the show, and then she'll do kind of an episode

976
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: kind of like Better Offline listeners when I get extremely

977
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: pissed off at open AI, imagine if that was about

978
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: something that mattered, oh was fun? Neither of which, And

979
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting watching this format because it's changed comedy

980
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: in the sense that now Instagram is basically you have

981
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: to constantly hit them with the highlight reels. With podcasts,

982
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: it's people feel trapped in these different formats that really

983
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: do them a disadvantage. Because Jamie does great things in

984
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: her show Molly Conger as well with Weird Little Guys

985
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Cool Zoneer's got this cool format of kind of just

986
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: talking through a script and a story with a guest,

987
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: sometimes not with the guests. But I almost feel like

988
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: podcasting could return to something like Howard Stern. I think

989
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: like having you and studio is so much better, and

990
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: I think I'm yeah, as a pro remote work guy,

991
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: I feel bad saying this. It almost feels like we

992
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: do need to get back to, perhaps not exactly what

993
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: Howard Sterne does, perhaps not exactly, but getting back to

994
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: what made broadcast actually good, which is narrative style shows

995
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: or in studio fucking actual conversations that are well produced,

996
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: that have guests that know in like each other and

997
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: actually are ready to do an interesting show. It's the

998
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: only reason Howard stuns. He's actually a good broadcast to

999
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: however you feel about him.

1000
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, there's no question. Yeah, I mean the

1001
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: proof is in the fact.

1002
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: That he's still here.

1003
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: Somehow he is still the more the biggest broadcaster there is, really.

1004
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: You know, the more things changed to all they stay

1005
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: the same.

1006
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1007
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: Do you how are you finding podcasting though, because how

1008
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: is it different to what you've been used to?

1009
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Well? For me, uh, it's and I don't mean to

1010
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: be like whiny about my career, like I'm not acting enough,

1011
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: like you know, like I'm not there's just not a

1012
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: lot of work out, you know, and when the when

1013
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: the Conan Show went off the air, you know, there's

1014
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: things here and there, but there's just not enough stuff.

1015
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: And especially and again I'm not like I'm not complaining

1016
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: about like the state of woe Hollywood. I'm a fifty

1017
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: eight year old white man in there's yeah, there's a

1018
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: few of us, you know, so it's like you just

1019
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, you're I don't. I don't doubt that I

1020
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: am going to be working for the rest of you know,

1021
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: until I want to stop, basically, and I and I

1022
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: do believe that, like I always believe that somebody hires

1023
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: me there, that's a good thing, like I mean for them,

1024
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: for them, yeah, for them, No, I mean I will,

1025
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I will give them value for whatever they're paying. Right.

1026
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: And But I started doing podcasting sort of cuz, you know,

1027
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: like just because just you know Conan. Well, honestly, uh,

1028
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: the way that it happened, I had people, uh on

1029
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: my team, which I love saying, because my team we're

1030
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: it's quite a team. We haven't met in years, but

1031
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: they still exist, I guess. But I had I've had

1032
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: people say you should do a podcast, you should do

1033
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: a podcast, right, And there is something to it because

1034
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: I am when I think about, you know, the fact

1035
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I am in comedy. That's my main thing. And one

1036
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: of the ways that I am funny is in conversation.

1037
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: And that's hard to you kind of saw on on Conan,

1038
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: but in just like sort of little pieces, but like

1039
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: in a longer conversation, I can be funny, you know.

1040
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: And and I and I you know, know how to

1041
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: keep a conversation going. So they were telling me you

1042
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: should you do a podcast, and I felt just sheepish

1043
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: about it because I have friends like Scott Ackerman, who

1044
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: does comedy Bang Bang and Jimmy Pardo who does never

1045
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: not funny, and those guys are real, Like I did

1046
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: their podcasts and I was like, what is a podcast?

1047
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: When I was doing their podcast, they were you know,

1048
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: very early pioneers of whatever this thing is. So I

1049
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: felt like I would just be in like the diletanti

1050
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: ish fucking you know, TV boy coming in with it.

1051
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, like build like I can do it

1052
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: too kind of thing. So I just was kind of

1053
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: embarrassed to do it. But then you know, it.

1054
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: Was the first white boy to be embarrassed by podcasting.

1055
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: But I just thought there was a certain point where

1056
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, it would be good. And

1057
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: also too, it was like a point in my life

1058
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: when I just was trying just try to I just

1059
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I had a big moment where I was like I

1060
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: need to say yes to things, I need to try things,

1061
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: and and so I thought, yeah, let's do a podcast.

1062
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: And I came up with the concept for the Three

1063
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Questions podcast. And I started to do it, and I

1064
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, I listened to it and made you know,

1065
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: sort of corrected and studied myself and thought about the

1066
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: things that I didn't like what I was that I

1067
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: was doing and the things that I did like that

1068
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: I was doing, and eventually, over those six years i've

1069
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: been doing it, got better at it. Right now, I

1070
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: feel very confident in my ability to do an hour

1071
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: long interview that is very much listenable, funny, interesting, thought provoking,

1072
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: sometimes even and very much worth people's time.

1073
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: And it's not it's not always comedy.

1074
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: It's not always comedy. Yeah, it's not always comedy. And

1075
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: there's a part of me, and this is just my

1076
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: old TV brain, there's part of me it's like, Wow,

1077
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: I've gotten good at this one thing. I'm not going

1078
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: to be Charlie Rose. What the fuck is it?

1079
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: Like?

1080
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, I'm I'm I know how to

1081
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: interview me. Well, no, I know, but I mean but

1082
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I know how to interview people.

1083
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: But it's at the same time that like literally thousands

1084
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: of other people have learned how to interview people. And

1085
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not and I'm it's it's just like

1086
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: it's it's not and I don't mean to. I enjoy it.

1087
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: It's a fun thing, but I if if I got

1088
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: a busy, if I got busy acting, I would put

1089
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: podcasting aside. And that's just the way it is, you know,

1090
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's just my preferences, you know.

1091
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: That makes sense. And it's interesting though, because it's like

1092
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: you moved into this little broadcast career because there was

1093
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: space and that's what the internet to do.

1094
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: And I'm doing a radio show now.

1095
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually the radio show. Do you go into studio

1096
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: every time?

1097
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: I do?

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00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: I do?

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: And And it was originally sort of like the conception was.

1100
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: And also because doing something live in the serious studios

1101
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: is it like technically it's a much more complicated thing

1102
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: than just going in and recording something. So when we

1103
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: when we first came, well, they came to me and

1104
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: they were like, we want to do more. We want

1105
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: the Conean channel to have some actual sort of radio

1106
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: content rather than just be old clips of the show

1107
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: and podcasts.

1108
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: And rare content being like interviews.

1109
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: Like a call in show that was They said, do

1110
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: you want to do a call in show? And I

1111
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, yeah, that sounds fun. That sounds like,

1112
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, I get to play radio.

1113
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1114
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: And and then so they came to me and like,

1115
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: we want you to do something. I was like and

1116
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: they said, you know, like they were like, maybe more

1117
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: of the three questions, and I was like, I don't

1118
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: want to do more, you know, I do like once

1119
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: a week is plenty of that podcast. But then they

1120
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: said call in show. I was like, oh fuck, yeah absolutely,

1121
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: And I was like and I would just have be

1122
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: silly topics that like you know, cocktail party conversations, you know,

1123
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: like yeah we just recently did like you know, when's

1124
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: the last time you shit your pants? Kind of stuff,

1125
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: and or dating disasters or medical nightmares and just just

1126
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, meant to be sort of and there's something

1127
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's some people like why do you focus

1128
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: on all these on all these dark things. That's like

1129
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't because that's how I made, you know, yeah yeah.

1130
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: And it's like what if I want to talk about

1131
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, like when's the last time you were inspired

1132
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: by someone's good deeds? Fuck that, I don't care about that.

1133
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: I want to hear you shit your pants?

1134
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: Or if it's like fun stuf like happy fun stories

1135
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: can be fun, like you can laugh about you know,

1136
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: there's actually vanishingly few of them, Like I've been working on,

1137
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: uh of my newsletter at the moment, which people are

1138
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: going to really thrilling stuff about diet sentence you gonna

1139
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: love this at it but one of the most magical

1140
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: experiences when it's always work. So I want to about

1141
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: their friends kaisekiawah amutually seeing tonight and things. I finally

1142
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 2: got to realize where he comes from, because he will

1143
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: get go down these rabbits holes with my rabbits holes.

1144
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, rabbit holes, rabbit holes. There we go, rabbits holes,

1145
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: and he would go down these rabbit holes, except he's like,

1146
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: you should email my mother, and his mother's in some

1147
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: sort of finance. So I've now got both his mother

1148
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: and him sending me links about the same thing. See,

1149
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: that's a kind of lovely fun story that can be told. Yeah, However,

1150
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: the funniest stories are things like me moving the arm

1151
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: on my tone and smacking myself right in the nutsag

1152
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: it's like going, oh see that's funny, or like when

1153
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: you shot your pants actually don't know, like twenty years

1154
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: ago anyway, less about that the better. But it's something

1155
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: that strikes people of this that's really funny is despite

1156
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: all of the technology, despite the fact that everyone could

1157
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: podcast and broadcasts all the same, what we are describing

1158
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: is basic broadcast fundamentals seem to actually be very fucking interesting.

1159
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: That's what people really come to. We want connection, We

1160
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: want to hear the absurdity of life.

1161
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: As the radio died, all of what the radio was

1162
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: filled with just came over here. People talking about stuff,

1163
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: learning about you know, you being a listener, learning about stuff,

1164
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: you laughing, you know, you crying, you know, you hearing

1165
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: creepy stuff, you know, gossipy stuff. That's just it was

1166
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: just the radio, and now it's the radio over here,

1167
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: and it's you know, and the one things I think

1168
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: I think about it. It's the same thing with streaming,

1169
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, TV network TV is I mean, who fucking

1170
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: watches network telling? I watched some of it the other

1171
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's astounding sometimes.

1172
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, I think Blue Bloods is on every channel.

1173
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: It's just you know, yeah, it's except it's.

1174
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: Really fictional because the police off its to solve crimes

1175
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: in it.

1176
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: It's there's all kinds of cop shittwork. TV is just

1177
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: like cop worship, you know, and they solve crimes and

1178
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: it's like grown up Paul Patrol. But TV, you know,

1179
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: moved to streaming. And somebody pointed out because streamings, aren't

1180
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: you know? These companies pour a ton of money into

1181
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: streaming and then they go, okay, now how do we

1182
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: get that money back out? And they all go, I

1183
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't more subscriber bazillion people on here,

1184
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: so they don't know how to get the money back out.

1185
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: So they start talking about advertising. Right, So we're just like, okay,

1186
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: we're just back to television then, but like somebody, I

1187
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: don't even remember who. I should have remembered who, because

1188
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: it was an excellent point. We've gone back to the

1189
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: broadcast model, advertising paying for it, except all the worker

1190
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: protections have been blown up, and all of the money, yes,

1191
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: all of the money is going to like they are

1192
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: small places, you know. Yeah, it's and it's the same

1193
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: with podcasts. Yes, radio died, You've got podcasting and well

1194
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, podcasting is surviving on advertising dollars. Email.

1195
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: Oh, did anyone, by the way, you one of the

1196
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: listeners who emailed me about the ai ads that run

1197
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: after the air? I know one hundred and fifty of

1198
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: you email me every extent. Did you hear the ai ad?

1199
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: I know you are not the first person to tell

1200
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: me I'm now going to get thirty emails being like handy.

1201
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: Now. I like that they think that you're so like

1202
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: royal that you don't even know who's advertising on your show.

1203
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: And I even if I didn't know, I would know

1204
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: now because I also get a fair amount of very

1205
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: nice email, So I can't complain.

1206
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: But you do, Yes, it's very evident that you do.

1207
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: But it's I think what it is is like what

1208
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: you're saying with with podcasting, it's the advertising has to

1209
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: drive it. I know people who have started podcasting like, shit,

1210
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: I can't make this work because like where do I

1211
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: get the money from reader pledges? And it's like what

1212
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: a surprise, There's not actually that many people will pay

1213
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: for stuff, right And I think that that's the one

1214
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: of the bigger problems in media right now. There are

1215
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: things that people will pay for this four or foot

1216
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: four media. In tech, there's defector in sports, like there's

1217
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: some really great complications like that, and flaming hydro as

1218
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: well another great one. But at scale it doesn't exist,

1219
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: and I don't think it exists for podcasts like you

1220
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: have like thirty podcasts that can make money on the

1221
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: read it thing. Yeah, And it's just it's frustrating. And

1222
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: also I don't know if it's fixable. I don't know

1223
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: if there's a way of making the patron model work,

1224
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: even though it's the one that's the most honest.

1225
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1226
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: I have no input on those things I have. That

1227
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: is so even beyond me, and I don't I'm terrible

1228
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: with business and stuff. I mean, I understand making things entertaining,

1229
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: right and I and that's that's it for me. And

1230
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: that's whenever I've been approached about a television show and

1231
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: they're like, we wish more young women would watch, I'd

1232
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: be like, well, I don't know. I mean, I guess.

1233
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean one of my shows that was an actual

1234
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: note and it just seemed to come out the other

1235
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: end of just like lots of scenes of the characters

1236
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: telling each other how much they liked each other, which

1237
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: I just just point a certain point. I was like,

1238
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: is that is that it? And it just seemed like

1239
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: what the woman do? Just it sticks?

1240
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: Women have emotions. It's no when we did the because

1241
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: a lot of what we're talking about is just kind

1242
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: of broadcast fundamentals at some point. And so we did

1243
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 2: a long thirteen and a half hours in five days

1244
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: at CES big consumer it's called the Consumer Electronic Show. Yeah,

1245
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: a big thing we got.

1246
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: I did a remote there.

1247
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: If you're ever in, you'll join us? Yeah, no, please.

1248
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: But the big thing I did was we're talked about

1249
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: loving everyone, like the fact that we had friendship and

1250
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: all this thing. We got so many emails being like,

1251
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,479
Speaker 2: it's so nice to hear people saying they like each other. Oh. Absolutely, yeah,

1252
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: And you have to wonder if some of these shows

1253
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: the big problem is they're like, how do we get

1254
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: young women to listen to this? What like, have you

1255
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 2: tried fucking asking one? Have you tried asking a woman?

1256
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: You're like, noah, no, no, no, you can't do that. Yeah,

1257
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: we have to focus group it and there'll be a

1258
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: bird in there. I think it's just it's And then

1259
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: even with podcasts that don't do well, and they're like,

1260
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: why is this not doing well? Does it suck?

1261
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1262
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: Is it boring? Because the other side of it is

1263
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: there are a ton of podcasts that don't bother to

1264
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: try that just they saw the I don't know, trap

1265
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: a trap house or something like, oh, there's just a

1266
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: bunch of guys talking. But when you get down to

1267
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: the core of it, it's like esscentually people who like

1268
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: each other and enjoy being in this chemistry.

1269
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: Les. Yes, it's just they're good talkers.

1270
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they're good talking and words and such. Well. Andy,

1271
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: it's been such a pleasure having Oh, thank you.

1272
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: It's been really a fun and interesting conversation.

1273
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: So where can people find you?

1274
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: My podcast, The Three Questions, which is available at your

1275
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: podcast store. I will put the Ladies in there as well,

1276
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: and the in the same feed, you will get replays

1277
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: of my call in show, which is on Serious XM

1278
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: Wednesdays one pm Pacific What would there be four pm Eastern,

1279
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: usually live, sometimes to tape, but lately it's just been

1280
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: live because we've been able to and I've been getting

1281
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: get I have a great guest host, usually somebody really funny, cool,

1282
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: and it's somebody that I want to be there. That's

1283
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: That's the nice thing about my show too, is like

1284
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: there's never somebody that's just like you got to talk

1285
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: to these person. Yeah, So it's a it's one of

1286
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: the most fun hours of my week, which I have

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Speaker 1: always felt that if you have fun, your viewer or

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Speaker 1: listener will have fun. You have if you genuinely have fun,

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Speaker 1: so that's on on Sirius XM channel one oh four,

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Speaker 1: which is the Conin channel. And I love I and

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, I'm I am an early adopter of

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Speaker 1: satellite radio and I love satellite radio. I have it

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Speaker 1: in my car. I listen to it on my phone,

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Speaker 1: and not just because of Howard, but it's like, it's great.

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Speaker 1: There's a very very sort of niche specific music channels

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Speaker 1: and that's totally up my alley.

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Speaker 2: Tell yeah, yeah, well, I've had a lovely time and

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Speaker 2: you're going to get this thing off to this. It's

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Speaker 2: a recording that I recorded at the beginning of the show,

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Speaker 2: and I like my swagger and boldness. I will then

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Speaker 2: promise that I'm going to re record this. Mattasowski, my producer,

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Speaker 2: will hear this and he'll say, oh, it's gonna do

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Speaker 2: it this time. I probably won't. Nevertheless, I love you

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Speaker 2: all for listening. Thank you so much, Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: To Better Offline.

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Speaker 2: The editor and composer of the Better Offline theme song

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Speaker 2: is Matasowski. You can check out more of his music

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Speaker 2: and audio projects at Matasowski dot com, M A T

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Speaker 2: T O, s O W s KI dot com. You

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Speaker 2: can email me at easy at Better offline dot com

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Speaker 2: or visit better Offline dot com to find more podcast

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Speaker 2: links and of course my newsletter. I also really recommend

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Speaker 2: you go to chat dot Where's youreed dot at to

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Speaker 2: visit the discord, and go to our slash.

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Speaker 1: Better Offline to check out our reddit.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Better Offline is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool

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Speaker 2: Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.