1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm Will Lucas and this is Black Tech, Green Money. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Megan Holst and Alexander is a partner at Andries and Horowitz, 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: where she leads the Cultural Leadership Fund, Silicon Valley's first 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: venture capital fund consisting exclusively of black culture leaders and 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: organizations committed to black wealth generation. Megan oversees colf's dual 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: mission of connecting the world's greatest cultural leaders, including athletes, entertainers, musicians, 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: and sea level executives, to the best new technology companies 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: and engaging in elevating African Americans in the technology industry. 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: Black culture has long influenced global trends and you talk 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: about dance, music, food, you know, across the board fashion, 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: We influence all of it, but the economic participation hasn't 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: always been there, has lagged, And I wonder what your 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: thoughts are on how black investors and entrepreneurs can better 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: capitalize on the culture that we helped create. 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so, So that's a really good question, and 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: you are that is all factual and we've seen it, 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, from even back in the day, in the 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: early days of in the early days of music in 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: different genres and hip hop like that has persisted that 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: the early contributors, quite frankly, were not kind of paid 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: and compensated equal to their input into the success of 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: that thing. And so for us, you know, we specifically 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: invest in tech. So my lens is around wealth generation 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: in technology, especially for black people. And I think there's 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: there's three way to do that in tech. Three ways 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: to do that in tech. The first is investing early 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: into the best new companies. And so when you think 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: about companies that have grown and IPO that we all 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: talk about, the you know, the facebooks and ANBs and 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: instacarts of the world, a lot of people who made 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: money when those companies went public were investors ten years 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: before that, right, So they were in and the seed 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: and the Sea and the Series B. So one of 34 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: the core things that I do in my role is 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: help black investors get on those early cap tables. How 36 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: do you invest in Facebook in two thousand and five? 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: So that's the first thing. You have to be an 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: investor early. The second thing is early employeehood. It's kind 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: of in a similar fashion, the folks who go and 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: work at the company when it's ten or fifty or 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: one hundred people have the opportunity to earn early employee 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: equity and that grows over time and turns into something 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: meaningful should that company have a really great liquidity event. 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: So working in tech early and sometimes that can be 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: a big risk. You never know how it will turn out. 46 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: But the reward of something like that, especially if it's 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: an area you're passionate about, can pay off immensely you 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: having that impact early with that company. And then the 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: final thing is actually putting capital into the hands of founders. 50 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: We love seeing them be able to build and grow 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: their businesses. And that's one of the true ways to 52 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: build wealth from your contributions and tech is it is 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: starting a company. 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: And so I want to touch on Megan first. Of course, 55 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways I'm going to go off 56 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: of what you just said, but I want to make 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: I should people people understand who Megan is first. And 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: so you know you grew up in Montgomery, Alabama, correct, yes, sir, 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: deep history that city does in civil rights, deep deep history. 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: How did that How to growing up in that environment 61 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: influence who you are today? 62 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: That is a big question because but I guess the 63 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: answer is simple, because it's like everything. The things that 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: people read about in books are the things that I 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: saw growing up. It was in the water I drank 66 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: growing up as a kid, Right folks read about the 67 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: bus boycott and rows of parks. I would be walking 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: downtown and there's a sign of this is where Rosa 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: Parks did not get off the bus, right, this is 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: where this happened. This is where this happened. So it 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: was really in front of my face on a constant basis. 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: And so when I left to go off to college 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: to Clark Atlanta, I very much carried those things with me. 74 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: Also important kind of part of growing up in Alabama 75 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: is that both of my parents went to HBCUs. So 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: this culture around black evolution and black empowerment and black 77 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: independence has kind of been a part of my story 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: for a very long time, and I still very much 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: hang on to that now and use it in the 80 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: way that I work. I am very focused on how 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: do I support this community, in the words of Beyonce 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: getting everything that came for? How do I support growth? 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: How do I support wealth generation and economic development? And 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: that's also one of the really I think special reasons 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: about why I came back. So I left in two 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: thousand and six to go to college in Atlanta. Shout 87 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: out to CAU And I was gone until twenty twenty two. 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: I didn't live here anytime in between that, and when 89 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: COVID hit, a really great opportunity to move back home 90 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: bubbled up where I could still do this work in 91 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: Silicon Valley and with this this this fund, while also 92 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: doing it from home and contributing here. Because a lot 93 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: of brain drain happens across the South, whether it's Mississippi 94 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: or Alabama or Louisiana. How can I come back and 95 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: be a contributing member because I have a home here 96 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: and I know that there's so much potential in the 97 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: things that it could be. So a special shout out 98 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: also to our mayor, the first black mayor of our city, 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Stephen Reid, is also a product of someone coming back 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: and really wanting to make a difference, and so I 101 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: appreciate his support and have loved tapping in with him 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: on ways to make our city better and help it grow. 103 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: You know, I want to touch on this Threugh. You 104 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: just mentioned the line there, you know, being able to 105 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: make a difference. I want to touch on that thread 106 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: because like you started off in like nonprofit work and 107 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: you still sit on some boards today. I believe in 108 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: the nonprofit world. And at the risk of putting this 109 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the wrong way, so I'm gonna I'm going to preface 110 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: this for the audience. I'm trying to make the I'm 111 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: trying to figureut how to say this. So, sometimes we 112 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: pursue nonprofits when we should as a people be building companies, 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: like and like where I'm from, like we over we 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: have more nonprofits per capita. That's just a fact that 115 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: we have. We have more nonprofits per capita than anywhere 116 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: else in the country. And too often, like we as 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: just a people, in my view, pursue nonprofit work when 118 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: we could go build a company and put resources back 119 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: in the community. Is that is that? Okay? Just say 120 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: it that way. I think that's okay, okay, okay. So 121 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: with that, now that you're doing you're making a difference. 122 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: I think about doing well while doing well. And so 123 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: with that said, like, what are the yes? Yes, And 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: she's one of the people out there talk about it. 125 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: It's like, what are some of the mindset shifts for 126 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: the people who should be pursuing business. What are some 127 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: of the mindset shifts that need to happen in order 128 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: to be successful there, Like, what do you say to 129 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: all the things I just put in that gumbo right there. 130 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really important because a lot of times when 131 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: we think about helping people or supporting the community, we 132 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: automatically think of nonprofits because that's who we see out 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: active doing the work, right if you're if you're doing 134 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: a direct service nonprofit, where you're in schools, et cetera. 135 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: We grow up and we see those things, and so 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: it's very easy easy to think that that that's the 137 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: only way, Like with most things in life, as you 138 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: continue to go through you find out new versions of 139 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: a story and you start a big company and you 140 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: can give to nonprofits or you can do that sort 141 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: of thing, or you can be sure that you're I 142 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: don't know, running a sustainable company that's not you know, 143 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: damaging the water in your city, or you know, there's 144 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: all these things that you can do that are contributing 145 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: to bettering where you live. I do want to say that, 146 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: you know, nonprofits are companies, They're essentially the same. It's 147 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: just that that profit margin doesn't come back into into 148 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: the business. In terms of a mindset shift, I think 149 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: it's just about thinking about early what are the many 150 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: ways that I could do this. Oftentimes it's like a 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: like an association game. It's like I want to give back, 152 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: I have to do nonprofit. It's about maybe taking a 153 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: pause and thinking about what are the structures and what 154 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: are the different ways, and what are the things that 155 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: my community actually needs because it may not actually be 156 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: a specific, you know, new nonprofit. The other thing that's 157 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: very important about that conversation is, and this is what 158 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: we work on a lot with our group, and when 159 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: I worked with athletes early on, and they're kind of 160 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: philanthropy and that work. Everybody doesn't have to start a nonprofit. 161 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: You can just support one. A lot of really great 162 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: nonprofits already exist, and what people don't realize is when 163 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: they start one, either you have to fund it yourself 164 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: or you got to go out and raise money. And 165 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 2: that tends to be the most difficult part, because the 166 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: capitals to sustain a nonprofit and do the work you're 167 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: constantly fundraising, constantly fundraising. So I often encourage people you 168 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: don't have to not do nonprofit work, but how do 169 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: you exponentiate your impact by doing it in a meaningful way, 170 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: doing it together? And so that's usually what I what 171 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: I try to encourage. 172 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to because you like when you say, 173 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of work going to raise 174 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: money for these nonprofits. I think what I hear when 175 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: people go to start a nonprofit is they believe it's 176 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: easier to pull on the heartstrings and get you to 177 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: write a check to support this cause, and it is 178 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: to sell a product to a customer, which. 179 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Is debatable, right, I'm sure it's one side is easier 180 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: to pull on the heart strings because some people are 181 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: great storytellers or you know, some people when you have 182 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: personal experience in a thing, Because what you often find 183 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: people want to start nonprofits that are focused on things 184 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: that they know about and they have experience, and it's 185 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: you experienced homelessness, or you experienced a certain disease. Telling 186 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: that story comes very naturally to you, which I think 187 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: sometimes can be a little bit more difficult in starting 188 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: your own company. But I would argue they're both probably 189 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: equally difficult. It depends on what your strengths are as 190 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: a person and as a storyteller. But I really encourage 191 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: people again, it's okay to start a nonprofit if that 192 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: essentially is the best way to actually do what you 193 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: want to do and that's not that may not always 194 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: be the case. And as we work, you know, in CLF, 195 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: we our second mission is how do we get more 196 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: young African Americans into the technology industry. We think a 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: lot of companies could benefit from having some of these 198 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: really great talented folks in them. And we do that 199 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: work through a donation program. So one hundred percent of 200 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: our management fee, all of our carrier, so every dollar 201 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: of profit that CLF makes goes back to organizations that 202 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: are specifically focused on that mission. And we tried early 203 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: on to build out our own program and we found 204 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: it like, that's not our zone of genius. There are 205 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: people who've been working to get more young African America 206 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: can then take for years and are doing it successfully 207 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: while we're over here trying to string something together. And 208 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: we would be better off and the students and the 209 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 2: people who we want to serve would be better off 210 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: if we put that capital into those companies, into those 211 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: those nonprofits. And so it really just is about how 212 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: to have the impact and the way that you are. 213 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: You know, I remember listening to I think it was 214 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: metro Boom and the producer talking about how difficult it 215 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: was to get other rappers and artists who come from 216 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: where they come from to think about investing in a 217 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: certain way because they wanted to see the return like 218 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: right now quick? Yeah yeah, And so how so you 219 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: work with but. 220 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: We want to see the return quick and then also 221 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: don't want to take the risk. 222 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so speak on that. So because you work 223 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: with athletes, musicians, et cetera, you know, you help them 224 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: find deals, source deals, get into deals like how is it? Mindset? 225 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: You know, things that you have to work with them 226 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: more and to figure out, Okay, this is a different 227 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: type of investing where you're not going to see it. 228 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: You know, you may not ever see it, you know, 229 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: but you may not for years. 230 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I would say a huge percentage of my 231 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: job is education. A lot of athletes and entertainers get 232 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: really lucky when they have a great team around them 233 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: that say like, yes, you need to do your public 234 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: market investing in your stocks, but also let me show 235 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: you this thing and are really teaching them kind of 236 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: the breadth of everything that they can be doing financially. 237 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: But most of my job is teaching people about investing 238 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: in technology, specifically at the early stage and what you 239 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: brought up is actually one of the most common important 240 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: things that I have to hammer in from the beginning 241 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: is that venture investing is a long term game. It's 242 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: we tell people eight to ten years, your money is 243 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: locked up. It's not a very liquid hasset where you 244 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: can come back and get it in a couple of years. 245 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: I tell people when they're thinking about investing in the fund, 246 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: I say, if you're going to be looking for this 247 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: money in two years, don't give it to me. Don't 248 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: give me your money if you're going to need it 249 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: in two to three years, because the likelihood is that 250 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to get it. Because 251 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: you know, when you think about the biggest companies when 252 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: they go public, there's usually a ten year period between 253 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: when they get ten years plus from when they get 254 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: their investment to when they actually have exit meaning a 255 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: liquidity event IPO, which is an initial public offering, are 256 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: called going public or m and a activity meaning they 257 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: get acquired or bought by a company ten years so 258 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: that money starts coming back to the investors. So that's 259 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: the biggest thing is venture is very much a long 260 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: term game, and venture is also risky. So depending on 261 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: what your risk profile is as an investor should determine 262 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: where you want to start investing. Maybe like you want 263 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: to be a little bit safer and you want to 264 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: put your money into two stocks or into you know, 265 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: some of the more lesser yielding opportunities. Venture it is 266 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: high risk, high reward, So you're investing your money into 267 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: companies that may not be operationally proven yet a lot 268 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 2: of times investing in companies that have no product. You 269 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: don't know if people gonna like it, people are gonna 270 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: hate it, but maybe you really believe in the team, etc. 271 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: And so teaching them about the holding period, teaching them 272 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: about the level of risk, meaning most of your companies, 273 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: most that you invest in will fail, you know, in 274 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: the early stage, but you're hopeful that you know, those 275 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: two or three or five that you invest in out 276 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: of the fifty will really knock it out of the park. 277 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: That is the goal. And then we also tell people third, 278 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: like the lingo. Once you learn the lingo of venture 279 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: and of tech and of investing, you're really ninety percent 280 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: of the way there. You can start making some really 281 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: thoughtful decisions around where you want to put your money. 282 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: Once you know how all of these things work. Together. 283 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned something earlier about how the people who made 284 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: the money on facebooks and etc. Like we're either like 285 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: super dorouper early investors or early employees and those were 286 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: deals like we are people in our community weren't getting 287 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: in on those deals. 288 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they are with cl Yes. 289 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Yes. And this is the question because I think about 290 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the question that I'm gonna give 291 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: you the back of why I'm asking this question, like 292 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: how do you evaluate a cultural leader to you know, 293 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: have that opportunity? Who are the athletes, the and entertainers executives? 294 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: And here's why I ask is because you know, there's 295 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: a difference between like what you're doing in like a 296 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: reg CF, like you know, a crowdfunding campaign to where 297 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: we can get on you know, on those deals. But 298 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: you're not necessarily and you can clarify this like there's 299 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: not everybody can't go and put money in you know CLF, 300 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: but you're picking you know, you guys are finding strategic 301 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: partners that make sense for this fund. How how does 302 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: this make a difference over time to to where there's 303 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: more of us that are able to get involved. 304 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: Yep. So that's a really good question. Because when it 305 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: comes to investing in venture, there's a couple of things 306 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: that makes matter really great candidate. One kind of a 307 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: non negotiable is you have to have the capital to 308 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: invest and that requires either you know, obviously a certain 309 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: level of success or a certain level of of experience 310 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: over time that you're able to invest in venture. So 311 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: there's different requirements that you have to hit legally through 312 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: a government to invest in like a venture fund, et cetera. 313 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: The second thing is, uh, how useful and helpful and 314 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: supportive can you be of a tech company like this, 315 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: because that's what's going to get you access you have. 316 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: You have to have the capital, that's a non negotiable, 317 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: and then you have to get the access to the 318 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: companies to be able to put that capital. And usually 319 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: access comes from either having some expertise. Right, somebody's building 320 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: an auto company. 321 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: And you used to be a NASCAR driver at. 322 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: GM, you know what I mean? What are the ways 323 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: that you're aligned with the company that are also going 324 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: to get you into the door, So that can be 325 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: you know, on the entertainment side, that you have a 326 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: really great audience and people really maybe you're a big 327 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 2: time gamer and we have a bunch of games companies, right, 328 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: there's a lot of alignment. There's a lot of our 329 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: athletes are gamers, and we have a really we have 330 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: two games funds at the firm, and so there's a 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: lot of interesting alignment there. So I would say the capital, 332 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: the access the other thing that was important. I think 333 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: there was another part of your question, No. 334 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: I was talking about over time, how do more of 335 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: us have fine opportunities to be getting in on the 336 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: next facebooks, the next insta cards. 337 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely. The other thing that's really exciting, and I 338 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: think a way that a lot of people are going 339 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: to become investors is there have been so many, I'm 340 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: sure you've noticed over the past probably four or five years, 341 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: so many new venture firms popping up. Obviously, you have 342 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: big ones like Injuries and Horrowitz, right, we've got forty 343 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: four billion dollars under management, But most funds are smaller 344 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: funds that have a specific focus. Maybe they only do 345 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: precede companies, maybe they only do fintech companies. And really 346 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 2: building relationships with the funds where you have a level 347 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: of expertise where you can get that access, I think 348 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: is going to be critical. It really is about doing 349 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: the research because I can't tell you how many people 350 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: waste time going to funds that maybe they've just heard 351 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: the name, but they have no idea what they do. 352 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: There are hundreds of venture firms out there that are 353 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 2: really looking for folks for their port codes to join 354 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: advisory boards, which also can get you a little bit 355 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: of equity. So that's a way to also earn actual 356 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: boards of directors. So say you're an executive in a 357 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: specific area, you can come on as like a pre 358 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: IPO board director. There's I think a lot of interesting opportunities. 359 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: It's just about getting in with really great founders and 360 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: then also figuring out which venture firms might align with 361 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: your investment interests. It's all about, I think, the capital 362 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: and then the access. A lot of access comes through 363 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: the people that you know and the founders that are 364 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: doing that work. 365 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Can you talk about an example. 366 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: Because will now me and you know each other, and 367 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: if will you say to me like, oh, Magan, I've 368 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: got the capital, I've got a big podcast, I've got 369 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 2: a huge platform. I love to invest in tech. Now 370 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: I can keep you in mind for opportunities that come up. 371 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Okay, we might have to talk here you go. Can 372 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: you talk about, like, can you share an example of 373 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: like a strategic partnership between like a cultural leader and 374 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: a technology company startup that has worked so far exceptionally well. 375 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: Two that I would probably share. Patrick Mahomes is actually 376 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 2: one of our LPs, and it feels really timely because 377 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: you know, they were just in the super Bowl. But 378 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: he plays golf and was really looking for a way 379 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: to support his nonprofit work and his philanthropy through he 380 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: has a golf tournament. We also have this other portfolio 381 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: company called Whatnot. I don't know if you've heard of them, 382 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: but it's like an online kind of live shopping company, 383 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: and they had mentioned they're like, we really want to 384 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: do more kind of in our impact work on our 385 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: nonprofit side. We're looking for the right opportunity, and we're like, 386 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, kind of antenna's going off because we also 387 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: knew what Patrick was interested in doing, and so we 388 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: put those two together. They had a number of conversations 389 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: that over time evolved into a live streaming event. Obviously 390 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: you know through the fund that their investors, but he 391 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: had a live streamed his charity golf tournament and he 392 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: had a hole in one challenge and it was in 393 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: order to raise money for his nonprofit. He had it 394 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: was like twenty or twenty five chances to get a 395 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: hole in one to win for his nonprofit. And one 396 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: it's really great for the company because who doesn't want 397 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: to tune in and watch Patrick Mahomes try to hit 398 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 2: twenty five hole in one and obviously, you know, missing 399 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: every single one. That's really exciting for the company and 400 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: for that team to have him involved, but also really 401 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: great for Patrick because he wants to bring more attention 402 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: to his nonprofit it's called fifteen in my Homies, and 403 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: he wants to raise more money for them. And so 404 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: it's about matching the right person with the right company 405 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: on the right initiative, and they ended up raising Uh. 406 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: I want to say, I don't remember the exact number. 407 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: Don't quote me. I'll get it for you maybe after this. 408 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: But for his nonprofit, and it was really a win 409 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: win for both of them. 410 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: I love it. There is a there's a a learning 411 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: out there. I don't want to call it a fact 412 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: because there's depending on where you go, you find different numbers. 413 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: But they say the black dollar circulates in our community 414 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: for about six hours while you can go all the 415 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: way to you know, white communities and then the Jewish communities. 416 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: It's like thirty something days. 417 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: You know, what is the calculation. 418 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Don't come 419 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: for me, don't cover me. I've already set the stage 420 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: for this. 421 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 2: And funny story, this is actually remember I told you 422 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: so background Will and I were talking about some time 423 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: I lived in Toledo before. I was actually studying sociology, 424 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: so it was a social science and I focused on 425 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: metrics and outcomes and like data. So all of my 426 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: work was statistics. Yeah, and so anytime somebody gives me 427 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: numbers like that, I'm. 428 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: Like, and again, I told you there's there's a lot 429 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: of different ones out there. I did not say that 430 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: this was a fact. I will not say as a fact. 431 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: But if you do people say this is only banks, 432 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: et cetera. 433 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm giving you a we're good. 434 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: We're good because I did. I did a good preface 435 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: on that. 436 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: I feel like you did it was appropriate. 437 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. So the conversation around like the 438 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: power to black dollar and venture, how can we be 439 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: more intentional about circulating wealth? No matter if for six hours, 440 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: six days, whatever it is. How can we be more intentional? 441 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: Because and the reason I asked that is because we 442 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: are I would say, decently good at economic protests. And 443 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: then there's another conversation to be had on Okay, look, 444 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: where are we going to do instead? So are we 445 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: going to be buying from actively black? Are we going 446 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: to be buying from you know, these other black owned companies? 447 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: Like it's one thing to take the money away and 448 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: make it out of the system, but where are we 449 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: going to put it? 450 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 451 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: So how can we be more intentional? Is the question? 452 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: Uh huh uh. I think there's probably a lot of 453 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: opinions about how we could be more intentional. But you 454 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: know how, I don't mean to make a probably a 455 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: bad joke. You know how when somebody is dating somebody 456 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: and they say, oh, they never call me, and they say, well, 457 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: they make time for what they want. 458 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: That's great, that's good. 459 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: Similar to our dolls. It's probably the most random example, 460 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: but that's the best one I could think of. Is 461 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: if people want to buy black, they can. There's a 462 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: way to do it. Sometimes it takes a little bit 463 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: of work, right to find, you know, it's easy to 464 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: find maybe a black owned fashion brand. Maybe it's hard 465 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 2: to find black owned bathroom cleaner. Who knows, But if 466 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: you want to make that transition, you can. And one 467 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: of the probably in terms of like actually investing, if 468 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: somebody wants to make a percentage of their portfolio where 469 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: they focus on that. It doesn't mean you have to 470 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: only do that. But if you say, okay, I've got 471 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: one hundred dollars to invest, I'm going to put fifty 472 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: in the public mark and fifty over here, and I'm 473 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: eight percent adventure because venture should really only be a 474 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: single digit percentage of your total portfolio. Your whole portfolio 475 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: should not be venture. And then you say, of that 476 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: eight percent, I'm going to put four percent of that 477 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: into it to black companies. That's a decision that someone 478 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: could make, and so I think you know, I would 479 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: venture to say for those who are committed to it, 480 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: are doing it also this decision, like any other decision. 481 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I love to hear that as that's encouraging. Actually, so 482 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: how do you think AI blockchain of emergency? Real quick? 483 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: I just also want to add there are actually quite 484 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 2: a few even if you just google, give me black 485 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: owned X, Y and Z companies, right am I hallucinated 486 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: a little bit, but like it'll probably get you some 487 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: good answers. There's actually a couple of websites also that 488 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: list out different types of black businesses that you can 489 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: support us purchasing from or investing in. We're actually doing. 490 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: We just recently launched a partnership. I don't know if 491 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: you're familiar with the fifteen Percent Pledge. Yes, I am, okay, wonderful. 492 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: So fifteen Percent Pledge founded. 493 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: By I want to say, we had them on here, 494 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: We may have had them on the podcast. 495 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: For Oh Perfect, My Girl, Roa James. We just launched 496 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: this thing called the AI Illumination Grant and the goal 497 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: is and this actually might get into your next question. 498 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry because I already heard you say AI 499 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: and crypto. But the fifteen Percent Pledge supports black businesses 500 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: both in beauty fashion, CpG, Perfume jewelry who are black owned, 501 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: getting shelf space in large retailers. They got several hundred brands, 502 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: if not thousands of brands on their website that people 503 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: can search and go support. We created grant together us, 504 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: the Cultural Leadership Fund, the fifteen Percent Pledge and Kevin 505 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: Hart's Heartbeat Ventures called the AI Illumination Grant, and it 506 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: is specifically focused on ensuring that the black founders that 507 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: are part of the fifteen Percent Pledge program don't get 508 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: left behind in the usage of AI because everybody's talking 509 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: about it, but it's not really clear where you start 510 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: and it's not really clear how to supercharge your business 511 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: using AI. And so we're doing thirty five thousand dollars grant. 512 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: We're hosting two webinars, one webinar on using AI for storytelling, 513 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: the second webinar on using AI product design for all 514 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: of the founders hundreds of founders that are part of 515 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: that program. And actually the first session is on March thirteenth. 516 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: I believe and like people are doing the work to 517 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: highlight black brands and now it's just a matter of 518 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: supporting them and being sure they're set up for success. 519 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't the podcast we had Aura at Afrotech 520 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. That's what it was. I knew 521 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, there you go. 522 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 2: The roar is about it. 523 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So emerging technologies, how can we, as you know, 524 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: black people interested in creating generational wealth participation? How what 525 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: should we be focused on with AI, blockchain, other emergency 526 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: emerging technologies, like where should our attention be on learning 527 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: and getting involved? 528 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: The first thing is, don't be scarred. I'll be scared 529 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: because that's the number one thing I hear is the fear. Now, 530 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: I want people to have healthy skepticism, because we can't 531 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: just let people tell us any old thing. Have a 532 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: healthy amount of skepticism, but be open to learning and 533 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: taking a couple of risks because we saw it very 534 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: early on in the crypto space of it was a 535 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: learning curve for a lot of people, not just black people. 536 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: But how do I engage with the technology? How do 537 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: I begin to use it? How do I just get started? 538 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 2: You have to just get started, because a lot of 539 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: it is a rabbit hole, you know what I mean. 540 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 2: You learn one thing and learn the next thing, and 541 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: then you see this other link. And so people leaning 542 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: in versus letting the fear consume them. And I would say, 543 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, we saw a huge change over the last year, 544 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: even in the AI conversation, because even last spring you 545 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: bring up AI, people are so hesitant. They're like, oh no, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. 546 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: But the tech is coming. It's coming. You can either 547 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: you know, join the movement and figure out how to 548 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: make it work for you or are gonna get run over. 549 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: And I want to figure out how do we encourage 550 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: people to utilize the technology to their benefit. Which is 551 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: part of the reason why we're doing this whole grant 552 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: program in these webinars is because we want people to 553 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: learn how to supercharge themselves, their productivity, their their output, 554 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: et cetera. So that's one of the things we should 555 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: be doing is quelling our fears as best we can 556 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: with a healthy dose of skepticism, and then learning AI 557 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: is changing and improving every day. You got to stay 558 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: on top of it. I think that's the most important thing. 559 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: One of the big questions we always get is uh, 560 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: where do I start? Because that's the hard part because 561 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: there's a lot out there. So we kind of came 562 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: up with this this acronym called Gucci P shout out 563 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: to Davars over at Maroksa who we were on a 564 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: panel together, and I came up with these six companies 565 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: that people to start, you know, their journey. And I'm 566 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: talking to the audience and I'm like, yeah, I was 567 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: trying to come up with like a you know, cute 568 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: little acronym to make it easy for y'all. And I 569 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: was like, but I don't have like I was thinking 570 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: about it for a week, will a week trying to 571 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: come up with something good. And I was like, I'm sorry, 572 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give you all the letters. I was like, 573 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: see I you see g whatever and Devars goes Gucci 574 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: P and I was like, Gucci pie. They're nice and easy, 575 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: so so usually I think that these six are a 576 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: good place to start. So it's Gamma, it's ud Oh, 577 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: it's captions, it's chat GPT, which is a good one. 578 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: It's ideogram Elizabeth. You remember my pee? My p is 579 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: escaping me? Do you remember the Pliabeth community? And then 580 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: I'll just I'll just say it all again. I'll say 581 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: it all again. He escaping me. I don't know, but 582 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: now why is it escaping me? I know this, I've 583 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: said this nine million times. I don't know. We can 584 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: just cut this. 585 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: Part out, but keep just in. I love this, I know. 586 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: Hang on, oops, I feel like it's it's uh, I 587 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: don't know. It'll come to you and I'll just say 588 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: it all again. Photom chas or on your phone. Thank you, 589 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: But that was about to make me crazy. That was 590 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: getting hot, like make it in the thirty seven My 591 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: age is hit me. 592 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: I want to keep I want to keep that in. 593 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: We'll get that should I should I back up and 594 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: start that hour. 595 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you get academ again if you want. 596 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful. So the six companies are Gucci, PI so, 597 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: it's Gamma, It's Udio, Captions, Chat, gpt, Idea, gram and 598 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: Photo Room. So that's a great six to kind of 599 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: just start tinkering with so you can get familiar with 600 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: the tech and figure out the ways that it can 601 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: work for you, and then you'll be in a you'll 602 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: be on a journey from there. 603 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: I love it. I want you to talk about it. 604 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: You mentioned the programs you guys are doing to help people. 605 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: You want to talk a little bit about that while 606 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: we got two minutes left. 607 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So really, when you think about the work 608 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: of CLF, it's twofold. So the first mission of CLF 609 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: is connecting the world's greatest cultural leaders to the best 610 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: new technology companies, and for us, that includes athletes, entertainers, musicians, 611 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: and C level executives who may not be in tech, 612 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: but they're excited about tech, they're interested in innovation. They 613 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: want to play a role on the things that are 614 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: being built across this industry, and we get to be 615 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: their arm ramp into doing that. And the interesting piece 616 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: is that kind of ties back to what you mentioned 617 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: earlier about how do we get more of us involved 618 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: in tech as investors, et cetera. Because like we're not 619 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: all athletes and we're not all entertainers. We have more 620 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: executives as CLF LPs than anything. Our executive network is 621 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: a huge pillar of CLF and the capital that we deploy, 622 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: and so if you're an exit, you could be a 623 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 2: marketing executive, you could be kind of in any space 624 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: that is valuable to startups, and that's a huge part 625 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: of our LPBA. So I want to be sure folks 626 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: know you don't have to be an entertainer, you don't 627 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: have to be an athlete to invest. And then the 628 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: second mission of CLF is how do we get more 629 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 2: young African Americans in tech? So we support over thirty 630 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: organizations through CLF who are doing the work of getting 631 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: more young African Americans in tech. We kind of do 632 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: it in three stages. So the first group that we 633 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: fund are called our ecosystem Partners. So these are partners 634 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: who are nationwide who have proven over time that they're 635 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: putting talent into that tech pipeline, and we fund them. 636 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: What we say is the life of the fund, meaning 637 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: eight to ten years. We are committing to funding them 638 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: every year. That's really unheard of in the nonprofit space. 639 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: If you get a three year grant, you're like, ah, yes, 640 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: if you get a five year grant, you're like even better. 641 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: But an eight to ten year grant is not normal. 642 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: And we're doing that very intentionally because we want to 643 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: have a long term relationship and we want people to 644 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 2: feel like again they don't constantly have to chase dollars, 645 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: as tough as it could be to run a nonprofit. 646 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: The second group we have is our community builders, and 647 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: this became really important because we realized as technology changes 648 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: AI Crypto, there's not going to be organizations that have 649 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: been around for twenty years that are helping people earn crypto. 650 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: Crypto ain't even been around for twenty years, So how 651 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: do we support organizations that are doing something new and 652 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: ensuring that black people aren't getting left behind? So these 653 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: are more so one time grant to help you kind 654 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: of get that vision over the line, to start proving 655 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 2: out that, you know, you're helping to get more people 656 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: in crypto, or you're helping to teach folks how to 657 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 2: design through AI. And so we wanted to fund new 658 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 2: and innovative programs. And the third thing we do is 659 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: kind of our big project, big swing initiatives. During the 660 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: kind of NFT craze back in maybe twenty twenty one 661 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, one of the things we noticed is 662 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: that there weren't a lot of projects being done on 663 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: black art. They were all artists who did not look 664 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: like us. And I said, I'm you know, the whole 665 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 2: team actually said, now we know there are black artists 666 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: creating things, how do we ensure that they're part of 667 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: this kind of new movement in the web three space. 668 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: So we created the Black Digital Art Collective. We committed 669 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: about four hundred thousand dollars to that program over three 670 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 2: years in order to buy black digital art, help HiPE 671 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: it up, help it grow, help the artists get some 672 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: note of writing to then sell those pieces at you know, 673 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: once they get marked up, and then use that money 674 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: to buy more black art. And so those are kind 675 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: of big swing things that we try to do to 676 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: support our community, both in business and on the nonprofit side. 677 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: So that second mission is really important to us. And 678 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 2: we kind of make a joke that that's not a joke. Honestly, 679 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: that's the real reason why we come to work every day. 680 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: I love it. I want to learn more about what 681 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: you're doing. Where can they find you? Where can they 682 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: follow you? 683 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: Yes? So they can find us on Instagram. Our Instagram 684 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: is at a sixteen z clf. I'm on Instagram at 685 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 2: Meghan h Alexander. No extra h, no extra am Megan, 686 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: So it's just m E g A n H Alexander. 687 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: Also online a sixteen z dot com slash clf. It's 688 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: really important work. Please go check it out, and we 689 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 2: hope to keep kind of evangelizing the story of investing 690 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: in tech to our community. 691 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: Black Tech Green Money is a production of Blavity Afro 692 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: Tech on the Black Effect podcast Networking Night Heart Media. 693 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: It's produced by Morgan Debonne and me Well Lucas, with 694 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: the digital production support by Kate McDonald, Sarah Erga and 695 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 1: Jaden McGee. Special thank you to Michael Davis and Love Beach. 696 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: Learn more about my guests, Other Tech that shows an 697 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: innovators at afrotech dot com. 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