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Speaker 1: Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right

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Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes and moments from this

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Speaker 1: week on the show.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy all Right, The Seahawks are headed to the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: and that is not despite Donald. That's with Donald. He

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Speaker 2: continues to play the best football of his life. Who

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Speaker 2: could have saw this coming outside of maybe like Colin Coward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is from the This is not stunning.

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Speaker 1: Once the season started being played, and again I picked

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Speaker 1: the Rams, but everybody, by the time we got to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, we knew Seattle was excellent and Seattle could

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Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl. And by the time we

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Speaker 1: were midway through the season, we knew Seattle was a really,

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Speaker 1: really good team. This is stunning in the context of

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Speaker 1: the feelings on the Seahawks from before the year, and

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Speaker 1: that I will go hand up in that regard where

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Speaker 1: I was as loud out as anybody saying I thought

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Speaker 1: they got worse at quarterback, that I thought Gino was

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Speaker 1: a better player than Donald. They were moving on from

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Speaker 1: Gino to go to Donald, where I last year gave

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Speaker 1: basically all of the credit that Donald otherwise, you know, deserved,

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Speaker 1: to Kevin O'Connell and to justin Jefferson and to the

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Speaker 1: operation in with the Vikings and said the fourteen wins

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Speaker 1: in four thousand yards were basically phony. And because of that,

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Speaker 1: I didn't I shouldn't say I thought they were phony

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Speaker 2: Of the team stet more.

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Speaker 1: Of more of his coaching, his team, the infrastructure, and

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Speaker 1: less of him. And the fact that he played so

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Speaker 1: poorly in the Week eight team game to get the

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Speaker 1: one seed, and then so poorly in the playoff game.

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Speaker 1: It confirmed every Sam Darnold concern or skepticism any of

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Speaker 1: us had, At least it felt like it did. And

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Speaker 1: in this year, when he was absolutely rolling until they

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Speaker 1: played the Rams the first time, and in that game

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Speaker 1: he threw four interceptions, it was double stamped, triple stamped

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Speaker 1: pumpkin mode. The lights are too bright for this guy.

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Speaker 1: And then something interesting happened. When they played the Rams

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Speaker 1: the second time, which was the first three quarters of

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Speaker 1: that he was about as bad as he was the

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Speaker 1: first time they played. He had two turnovers instead of four.

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Speaker 1: They seemed to be afraid to really cut him loose.

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Speaker 1: And then in the fourth quarter and then in that

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Speaker 1: really like build on that momentum because after that game

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Speaker 1: he didn't have any great statistical games. He just kind

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Speaker 1: of stayed out of the way. But it did seem

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Speaker 1: like that was a moment for him. And then Week

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Speaker 1: one of the playoffs, he didn't make any mistakes. They

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Speaker 1: won by thirty five points, but he didn't have to

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Speaker 1: do much. And then Sunday night to go to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he went throw for throw with Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: and the team. I thought it was really interesting that

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Speaker 1: by the end of that game you saw how much

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Speaker 1: his play caller, Clint Kubiak, and his head coach, who

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Speaker 1: has to sign off on those decisions, how much those

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Speaker 1: guys believed in Darnald. On that last drive, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to pull up the play by play, which really weird

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Speaker 1: right now, really weird. I always go to box scores

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Speaker 1: and play by play on ESPN dot Com. ESPN does

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Speaker 1: not have for the Rams or the Seahawks on their

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Speaker 1: sketu page. I have it now here. It's just it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have it listed as a game having been played.

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Speaker 1: But I've got it now. On the final drive of

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Speaker 1: the game for the Seahawks. This is what they did

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Speaker 1: when they could have been in just grind clock mode.

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Speaker 1: Second and seven with three twenty six left, Sam Donald pass,

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Speaker 1: third and seven after an incompletion Sam Donald pass. That

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Speaker 1: was the Cooper Cup play. On that play, by the way, McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: who has some game management issues, that's the one where

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Speaker 1: he called the time out and then was asking them

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Speaker 1: about challenging it. I just want to like clarify to

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Speaker 1: everyone what was going on there that the problem for

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Speaker 1: McVeigh was. I don't think they were telling him you're

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Speaker 1: because you have already called time out. If you challenge

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Speaker 1: this and lose, that will cost you an additional timeout.

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Speaker 1: That is not on the officials. That is on McVeigh

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Speaker 1: his challenges left. He was going, there was three minutes left,

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Speaker 1: not second guessing because I said it in real time.

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Speaker 1: What McVeigh should have done in that moment after the

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Speaker 1: snap challenge, because in that specific spot, a challenge is

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Speaker 1: the exact same as a timeout. If it's gonna stop

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Speaker 1: it or whatever, you get your time out back. If

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Speaker 1: you're wrong, it costs you the exact same thing as

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Speaker 1: using a timeout would. You don't have to conserve your

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Speaker 1: used any So he made a mistake there, flatly, he

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Speaker 1: just made a mistake. It probably wouldn't have changed anything

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Speaker 1: because I think that play was being overturned, but that

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Speaker 1: he made a mistake there. But to the point I'm making,

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Speaker 1: second down, they let Darnald pass with three twenty six left.

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Speaker 1: Third down, They let Darnald pass with three to twenty left,

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Speaker 1: and seven play when he threw it in complete, but

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Speaker 1: there was defensive holding called. Just to give context, the

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Speaker 1: Rams are out of timeouts. If they rung the ball there,

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Speaker 1: if they just go into like take knees mode, that

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Speaker 1: the Rams are getting the ball back best case scenario

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Speaker 1: with like one oh five left. By throwing the ball,

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Speaker 1: you really took a big risk, not only of turnover

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Speaker 1: but in completion where the Rams would have real time.

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Speaker 1: They trusted Donald. Now he did thrown incompletion, but there

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Speaker 1: shows they did not feel like they have to coach

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Speaker 1: the biggest game of his life, the guy had the

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Speaker 1: of the beginning of his career. Because last year he

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Speaker 1: this year he wasn't quite as good as last year,

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Speaker 1: You have to give the guy credit. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know who, demons who should feel sicker about Darnold turning

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Speaker 1: into this guy. The Jets are the Vikings. The Jets

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I I think it's going to be the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you just why are you apologizing? Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I know Paul, Paul, we were we were just talking about

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Speaker 2: this is our producer.

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Speaker 1: Paul's a Vikings fan, fair enough, but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he just came off of fourteen wins

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Speaker 2: last year, so I mean they saw it. The Jets

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Speaker 2: just drafted him in the beginning. I think it's easy

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Speaker 2: to say that in like hindsight, but with the with

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Speaker 2: the Vikings, you literally just saw it last year and

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Speaker 2: you dropped him.

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Speaker 1: But that's yeah, so and and the Vikings kind of

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Speaker 1: just and to be clear, I think everyone has acknowledged

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of the year that if you remove

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Speaker 1: everything they have aside from quarterback. That the Seahawks had

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Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, and so and their defense, even though

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Speaker 1: Stafford was and well, listen, Stafford's a great player. He's

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Speaker 1: the and so I'm not holding that loss against him.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to the Stafford side of things in

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Speaker 1: a minute. But the reason I liked the Rams in

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Speaker 1: that game was because, yeah, I thought the Seahawks had

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Speaker 1: they have an excellent d line, they have excellent backers,

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Speaker 1: sixteen and three. And their three losses demons are Week

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Speaker 1: Just a great I mean, they have had a great season.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk jas. Let's talk receivers.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Jayson and Pooka put up big games. Where

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Speaker 2: do you think they bring among top receivers or league's

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Speaker 1: I think they got to be the two best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say one and two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think it's Jayson one, Pooka two,

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's with respect to Justin Jefferson, but

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Speaker 1: I just think those two guys be receivers in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Justin Jefferson had a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: weird situation this year. I do think it's a little

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Speaker 2: it might be a little bit too hasty get put

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Speaker 1: I just don't know, Like I mean, just Justin Jefferson's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's a future Hall of Famer and he is an

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Speaker 1: all time great receiver. I I don't know, so Justin

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Speaker 1: and three. I don't know. It's really close, but I

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Speaker 1: think Jayson and Pooka have supplanted Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Jayson Puka one two, Jefferson Chase three four.

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Speaker 1: And I mean there's no shame in that they are

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Speaker 1: all building their own all time great careers and resumes.

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Speaker 1: But that's where I have it. All right, one more

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Speaker 2: Are you a full Donald believer at this point?

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Speaker 1: I think he's really good. I think he's really good.

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Speaker 1: I think that you can't have that type of game

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Speaker 1: in a conference championship game again and I know people

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Speaker 1: love to say that quarterbacks aren't going ahead to head

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Speaker 1: with other quarterbacks. I get that, but I do think

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Speaker 1: there's additional pressure on a quarterback if they're standing across

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Speaker 2: All right, so the reports came out that Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's really interesting. I didn't know you

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Speaker 1: or Mike Shanahan or Tom Coughlin and you have hopes

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Speaker 1: of being a Hall of Famer, or I guess in

432
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: theory Mike Tomlin could be eligible next year, but I

433
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Speaker 1: would imagine they would make him wait because they think

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Speaker 1: he might be coming back to coach. If you are

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Speaker 1: one of those coaches and you assumed Belichick gets in

436
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: this year and then next year, you know, maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: the coach who's nominated and I could get in. Well,

438
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: now that ain't gonna happen because this year the coaching

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Speaker 1: came Bill Belichick didn't get in, and next year the

440
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: coaching can't. Belichick will hold that spot, I would think

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00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: as the coach that comes up for vote every year

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00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: until he gets in. So there is a real knock

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00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: on effect to it. The other knock on effect. That

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00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: is what I was getting at when you first mentioned

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Speaker 1: this at the beginning of the show. I do think

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00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: there is a generation of people, including active players in

447
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: the league, that didn't know two things about Spygate and

448
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: are now learning about it. Ye that it's like, wait,

449
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: so what happened? And fair or not? That will put

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00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: a slightly different light on that first half decade plus

451
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: of Patriots dominance. And I don't think that's unfair. It happened,

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00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: that was and I understand Jimmy Johnson saying we all

453
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: tried to do it, and that again I'm not trying

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00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: to rejudicate Spygate, but the NFL found out the Pats

455
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: were doing it, told them to stop, and they did

456
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: not stop. And then even in the twenty like twenty seventeen,

457
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: there was a real sketchy were you guys pretending to

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Speaker 1: film a team documentary and actually filming the Bengals sideline

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00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: during a Bengals Bears game before they played you guys?

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00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: That happened and the league had to step in. The

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00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: Patriots played with fire, whether it be to flight gate

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00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: which fell at Tom Brady's feet, Spygate which fell at

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00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Belichick's seat, or any of the other things that were

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00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: more allegations than proven throughout their run. And it is

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00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: not nearly enough for me to be like, vacate the

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Speaker 1: trophy titles is strip them of the banners. I'm not

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00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: saying that, not even close to saying that. But I

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00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: understand if a Hall of Fame voter said this is

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00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: your penalty, and I don't think it is double jeopardy,

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00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: nor do I think it is outrageous if the voters

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Speaker 1: at the Hall of Fame said, listen, yes, we understand

472
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: that this was adjudicated almost twenty years ago. But we

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Speaker 1: haven't ruled on it, we have not had our say

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Speaker 1: on it, and we are therefore and again this is

475
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Speaker 1: the assuming that this was the reason he missed out

476
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: on at you know, enough votes to not get to forty.

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00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Some folks said, no, that the cheating bothers us because

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any other realistic explanation as to

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00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: why he would miss out on at least eleven of

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Speaker 1: the fifty votes.

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Speaker 2: And I don't thought that the other guys should get in,

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Speaker 2: you know, thinking that Belichick was going to be there

483
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Speaker 2: next year and get this guy in now. It's also

484
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, making it a personal thing like that.

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Speaker 2: I just think it is a little is the guy

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Speaker 2: first ballot or not? Like in that guy's case that

487
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Speaker 2: he's saying that, oh, I wanted this other guy to

488
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Speaker 2: get in. But in that I just think that if

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Speaker 2: the guy's first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like I don't like that explanation. I

491
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: don't like the explanation of I'd rather make this guy

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Speaker 1: wait because this guy might not get another opportunity. Yeah,

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00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I again, everyone's entitled to their own process

494
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Speaker 1: on it. I don't like that explanation. I it's bad

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00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: luck for one of those guys. But with respect to

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00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Elsie Greenwood, Roger Craig, and Ken Anderson, if we are

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Speaker 1: simply saying those two guys plus Craft and Belichick, you

498
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: can only vote for three of them, and the cheating

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Speaker 1: is not factoring in, then Belichick must get one of

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Speaker 1: your three votes. He must, and then you have to

501
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: go make a tough decision on the other two. Now,

502
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: demon say, you know, I promoted the idea of this

503
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: year putting Craft in, and I think he might get in,

504
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: and then next year when Gronk comes eligible, either having

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00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: Gronk and Belichick wait an additional year to win, Brady's eligible,

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Speaker 1: or the Hall of Fame, which is gonna have to

507
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: do a lot of it would appear because my opinion

508
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: to the minority, you know kind of pe are fixing

509
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: over the next few weeks and months. I they could

510
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: also simply say, hey, we're adjusting a rule. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you win more than five Super Bowls, we are

512
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Speaker 1: shortening your mandatory weight for Hall of Fame eligibility from

513
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Speaker 1: five years to four years. So Tom Brady's eligible next

514
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Speaker 1: year and putting Gronk, Brady, and Belichick all in together,

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Speaker 1: My initial idea was and have the other three player

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Speaker 1: spots go to guys who have been multi time finalists

517
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: or semi finalists Adam Vinteri, Rodney Harrison, Vince will Fork

518
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Speaker 1: and have an all Patriots class. But at the very

519
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: least having Gronk, Brady, and Belichick all go in next

520
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: year would be sick. And I'm all for one off

521
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: rule changes that impact one person as a testament to

522
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: their greatness. Like if they said, hey, new rule, any

523
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: player with five or more Super Bowl rings, you don't

524
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: have to wait the full five years. That's not it's

525
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: not gonna be like, oh my god, so many guys

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00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: is gonna apply to Nope, Brady and it was. It's similar.

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00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: It's it's of the same thought process that if Adam

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00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Silver came out and be like, by the way, we

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Speaker 1: changed a rule over the summer that in any circumstance

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Speaker 1: where the NBA's all time leading scorer is an active player,

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Speaker 1: he is an All Star that year just and by

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00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: the way, that would only apply to Lebron right now

533
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: and the next year. Like the I I think these

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Speaker 1: one off rule changes can.

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Speaker 2: Be, can be, and and.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to And if some if that rule

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Speaker 1: ever applies to anyone else, it will be because of

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00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: their you know, unknow fathomable greatness, and so we'd be

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00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: fine with it. And so that's my that's where I

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Speaker 1: fall in this. Now, I will say this, there are

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Speaker 1: two unintended consequences of this Belichick snubbing. One I find

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Speaker 1: to be positive. One I find to be negative. The

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Speaker 1: positive one is this. I think this is Bill Pollian's

544
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Emperor has no Clothes moment. And I don't mind that.

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00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: I've never been a Pollion guy. At Bill Pollion hit

546
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: the jackpot in his team had the number one pick

547
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: when Peyton Manning was coming out, and then, in my opinion,

548
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: did a very poor job building teams around Peyton. To

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00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the tune of Poleon's whole philosophy was We're gonna build

550
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: the best team imaginable to play with the lead and

551
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: to play indoor, which was awesome most of the time.

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00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: But you were not always indoors in the playoffs, and

553
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: you did not always have the lead, and that, along

554
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: with Peyton's own shortcomings, is why they didn't win as much.

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00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: Bill Pollion also is eight patient zero of what I

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Speaker 1: consider to be a near decade long outrageous Lamar Jackson

557
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: discourse because he's the guy who said Lamar should play

558
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver instead of quarterback, which then had a rubber

559
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: band snapping impact on how Lamar is discussed positively and

560
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: negatively today. And Pollion has made a total fool of

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Speaker 1: himself in this process. He told Sports Illustrated, I'm one

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00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure. He's told Sports Illustrated, I voted for Belichick.

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00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: He then half hour later told ESPN, I can't quite remember,

564
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm ninety five percent sure, and then the next day

565
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: read a prepared statement on Sirius being like I voted

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Speaker 1: for Belichick. So Pollion being made a bit of a

567
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: fool of is just a happy accident of this. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the other unintended consequence demanse that I think is a

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Speaker 1: bummer is for the guys who do get in this year.

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Speaker 1: So Drew Brees is going to get in, Larry Fitzgerald

571
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: is going to get in, and whomever else does. Robert

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00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: Kraft is probably going to get in. The story of

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00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall of Fame induction

574
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: will not really be about who is getting in, and

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Speaker 1: it will be about who is not there, and that's

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Speaker 1: a bummer for them, and that's you know, that's the it.

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00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: Just all talking about this one correct.

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Speaker 1: And so it it does, and especially for those senior

579
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Speaker 1: committee guys like the While it won't be accurate that

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00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: all of them took Belichick's spot, it will be at

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00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: least somewhat accurate that one of them did so. And

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Speaker 1: we won't know who. So whether it's Craft, Ken Anderson,

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00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: Roger Craiger, Elsie Greenwood, it'll just not feel quite right.

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00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: And so that's that's a shame of it. Again, I

585
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: think you should be in, but I understand why some

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Speaker 1: course do apply, all right, demanse, Let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: hoops here.

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00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: End of an era. Yannis currently hurt been on Milwaukee

603
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: Bucks with twelve and a half years, is asking out

604
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: of Milwaukee? Uh, Persham's there's been aggressive offers from the Warriors, Nicks, Heat,

605
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: and the Timberwolves. What do we make on?

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00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: Yes, well, so I don't let me just start with

607
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Speaker 1: the Knicks. I don't see how the Knicks can make

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00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: and offer Milwaukee would be interested in because they have

609
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: no picks to trade. They can give them swaps like

610
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Speaker 1: I the So that's the one that I don't I

611
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: understand why demands. Knicks would want to do it, obviously,

612
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: but I don't know why Milwaukee would be interested.

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00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: But but the Warriors though, the war the war I mean,

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Speaker 2: I heard Jamie Butler I get there.

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Speaker 1: Well, so that would be the Yeah. So here's the

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00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: thing on the Warriors. The Warriors at least can trade picks,

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00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: and Milwaukee might want to, uh you know, full on rebuild.

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Speaker 1: So that to me though also like Butler and Kaminga

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Speaker 1: plus let me see the picks that the Warriors have available,

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Speaker 1: so I.

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Speaker 2: Think it is first, I guess, but yeah.

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00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: So the Warriors can trade four firsts, they can trade

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Speaker 1: their first in twenty six, twenty eight, thirty and thirty two,

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00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: and they can trade swaps, so they could do you know,

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00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: a massive, massive draft pick deal, and the Warriors could.

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Speaker 1: They would include Jimmy Butler because it's the only way

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Speaker 1: to make the salaries work. So I think it's basically

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Speaker 1: the framework of it would be Butler and Kaminga for

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Speaker 1: Yannis and I think Kuzma, and that's how the salaries

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Speaker 1: line up. And then you trade a bajillion picks and

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that is a great deal personally.

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00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: And Milwaukee is in this weird spot remember where them

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Speaker 1: bottoming out does not benefit them because they don't have

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Speaker 1: their own picks. They have traded or swapped their next

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00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: four years of picks in Milwaukee, so them being awful,

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00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't allow them to replenish it, which is why

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00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: I have been promoting the Hawks trade, which the Hawks

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00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: have this benefit of they have the first round pick

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00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: next year or this coming year, that is the better

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Speaker 1: of New Orleans and Milwaukee, which will be New Orleans's pick,

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Speaker 1: and they have Milwaukee's first round pick in two years.

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00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: So if the Hawks were to move the trade, I

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Speaker 1: came up with yesterday Chris STAPs and former number one

644
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: overall pick Resa Schay for the New Orleans pick this year,

645
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Speaker 1: which might be the number one pick of the draft,

646
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Speaker 1: and Milwaukee's pick next year. That to me, if I'm

647
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Speaker 1: the Bucks, is at least interesting, But the Hawks are

648
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Speaker 1: not listed on these teams. My issue with the Heat

649
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: Demanse is I don't see a scenario why the Heat

650
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: would be in a much better position.

651
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Speaker 2: With the amount of money they'd have to match right

652
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: from their team.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, like, what is this Heat team going to

654
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: look like once you have made the trade to get Yannis?

655
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: The only first round picks they can trade are in

656
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Speaker 1: thirty and thirty two. You're I guess you'd have to

657
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: include Bam, but then it's just Yannis and Hero and

658
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: like that to me does not put Yannis markedly closer

659
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Speaker 1: to a title. So I there, I really like the

660
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Speaker 1: Hawks one. If that's not what Yannis wants to do,

661
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: there are there's a Rockets one that's interesting, and there

662
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: is a Spurs one, both of which I discussed yesterday

663
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: on the show, but we can discuss here. So the

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Speaker 1: Spurs have, okay, the following picks that they can move

665
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Speaker 1: off of Atlanta's first this year and next year. Okay,

666
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: that's interesting, Boston's first in two years, Dallas's first in

667
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: twenty thirty and Sacramento's first in twenty thirty one. So

668
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: the Spurs can move five first round picks, none of

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00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: which are the Spurs picks, which is the key here, Like,

670
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: if you're Milwaukee, you're like your team's about to have

671
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: Wimby and Giannis and those in those great guards. Your

672
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: picks are gonna suck. So the Spurs can include a

673
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: bunch of potentially awesome picks, like I mean, the Sacramento

674
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: picks a long way down the road, but it's an

675
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: unprotected Sacramento first round pick is gold. Who knows what

676
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Dallas looks like in five years, who knows even what

677
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: Boston looks like in three years, and then Atlanta the

678
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: next two years. Like that to me is interesting. And

679
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: here is what I think is the most intriguing about

680
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 1: the Spurs offer Demonsey that I came up with they

681
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: they can make the money work without trading any of

682
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: their young guards. Barnes and Vassell get the money to

683
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: where it needs to be. So you still have Fox,

684
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: you still have Castles, you still have Harper. And that

685
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: to me is if Milwaukee's like, listen, we're gonna rip

686
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: it down and have these other team's picks to build.

687
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: With wet on the court. At the same time, it

688
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: sounds Insie.

689
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: Would be bananas, So that to me is worth considering

690
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: five first round picks, none of which are the Spurs picks,

691
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: and the Spurs so the Spurs keep their own their

692
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: own picks and they keep their young players. That to

693
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: me is a legitimate possibility. And then there's the Rockets

694
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: one which the Rockets have two potentially very valuable draft assets,

695
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: and they're in the same draft demonse, not this coming year,

696
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: but next year. They have Brooklyn's first and Phoenix's first.

697
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: Now Phoenix is building a little something, but Brooklyn is

698
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: miles away, and so the Rockets that Brooklyn picks very valuable,

699
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: and they can trade Van Vliet. And I think you

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Speaker 1: would then have to include Shingoon.

701
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: You think the Steven Adams injury might force them to

702
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: try to be extra aggressive for you, honest.

703
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Well, or it might or it might make them hit

704
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: the hit the brakes. They might say, we're not quite

705
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: as close. But Amon Thompson, Tarrysen, Reed Shepherd, Kevin Durant, Jannis,

706
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: that to me is a real thing and real interesting.

707
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: And Shingoon and Yanni here's the thing. I'm sure they

708
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to And if you're Milwaukee, you get Shingoon,

709
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: who is a star and Brooklyn's pick in two years,

710
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: and you build it up from there, and Shingoon and

711
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: Yannis to meet Deman's don't really fit together because now

712
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: two of your five best guys are just non shooters. Yeah,

713
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: and so that to me is interesting. And then I'm

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00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: gonna throw one other just possibility out there, okay, And

715
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: this possibility is if this postseason goes poorly for the Thunder,

716
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: So this would not be a trade deadline deal. But

717
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: the Thunder in this really weird position where over the

718
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: last two years they're awesome at full strength, but they

719
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: are oddly unbeatable when Jalen Williams doesn't play. They're thirty

720
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: four and three over the last two years. When Jadab

721
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: doesn't play, and he has a five year max that

722
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: starts in the summer. So if Milwaukee waited until the summer,

723
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: could the Thunder put together a package of Jalen Williams

724
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: at his new max deal plus one other guy be

725
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: At Isaiah Joe, Aaron Wiggins, Caruso, the other Jalen Williams,

726
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: you know whomever. And then they have so many picks.

727
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: They have the Clippers first round pick this coming year,

728
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: the Rockets first round pick this coming year. They have

729
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: Philly's first round pick this coming year. They have in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, the Clippers first round pick, they have

731
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: the MAVs first round pick in twenty twenty eight, they

732
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: have Denverse first round pick in twenty twenty nine, and

733
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: of course all their own. So the Thunder could They're

734
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything now, and they should. But if

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00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: this way, if this doesn't happen at the deadline, then

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Speaker 1: I would watch OKC, pending on how their postseason goes.

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Speaker 1: But those to me are Atlanta, Houston, San Antonio at

738
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: the deadline are all so much more interesting than any

739
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: of the four teams that the that have reached out

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00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee. And when we talk about go ahead, oh,

741
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about that's interesting. So Timberwolves problem is

742
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: they just don't They just don't have the draft picks,

743
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: and so I don't know how you make it work.

744
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what package you can build for the

745
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Bucks that is super intriguing. And the Knicks are in

746
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: a very similar bucket where I'm sorry, I'm scrolling my

747
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: Google doc about the future draft assets, but then let

748
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: me find where the Knicks are on here. The Knicks

749
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: have traded away all their picks and so all they

750
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: can offer you is swaps and players, so like it

751
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: would really have to be something close to like Yannis

752
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: for Cat, and that don't make any sense for the Bucks.

753
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know how the Knicks make it happen.

754
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 2: So go ahead. Do you expect the Bucks to send

755
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: you Honest where he once or just to get the

756
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: most value out of them?

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00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks should ask the Honest what his

758
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: five favored destinations are and say, we will do our

759
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: very best to send you to one of those five,

760
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: but we can't let you, right, we can't let you,

761
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: and you know what, send us your five favorite You

762
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: could do it a couple different ways, but I think

763
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: if it's like, send us five places and we will

764
00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: work diligently with those five teams. But I don't think

765
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: you can just let him pick because if he picks

766
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: New York, you're just screwed. Like there's just and I

767
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: feel similarly if he picks Golden State, I just if

768
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: you're the one of the big keys. Here is Milwaukee

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00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: does not own their own picks. So that's the part

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Speaker 1: that I just want to emphasize real quick about Milwaukee

771
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: and what you know tanking and what it means for

772
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: them before we move on. Here's Milwaukee's situation. Okay, this

773
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: coming year, uh, they this year they will have their

774
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: pick unless somehow their pick is a better pick than

775
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: the Pelicans pick. But they'll have and then they'll get

776
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: the Pelicans pick. This year, though they have their pick,

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven, their pick goes to New Orleans

778
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: or Atlanta. In twenty twenty eight, their pick goes to

779
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: Portland or Washington, with somebody else's pick coming to them.

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00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty nine, their pick goes to Portland or Washington.

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00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: In twenty thirty, Portland has the opportunity to swap picks

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00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: with them. So twenty seven, no, this year through twenty thirty,

783
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: but really twenty twenty seven, because we know New Orleans

784
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: is gonna have a worse pick than Milwaukee this year

785
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: after this upcoming draft. If they they either don't have

786
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: their pick at all or they're gonna have to swap

787
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: their pick for a worse one. So just Stone bottoming

788
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: out does not allow them to replenish their assets as quickly.

789
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: So I I'm not certain he gets dealt before the deadline,

790
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: but if he does, the teams that can make the

791
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: best trades are Atlanta, the Spurs and the Rockets, and

792
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: the Warriors and Nicks. I'm sure. And let me ask

793
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: say one other thing. And I don't know where you

794
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: stand on this, Demansay, I don't think that the Warriors

795
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: trading Butler and Kaminga, and I know Butler's out for

796
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Giannis guarantees them anything. I still don't. I don't know

797
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: that I would look at them as favorites in the West,

798
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: or even favorites to make the conference fine.

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Speaker 2: Just because of the drop off of not having Jimmy

800
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: Butler as well or just as well.

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00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I guess I look at it

802
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: like this. Let's just say Kaminga is a zero for them.

803
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Right.

804
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: The Warriors with a healthy Jimmy Butler were miles away

805
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: from contention this year. Is the gap between Giannis and

806
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler so massive and it's huge that it takes

807
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: them from but it takes them from miles away from

808
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: contention to championship caliber. I don't think so, and I

809
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: am you would really be testing the limits of the

810
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: Steph gravity when you're playing lineups of Draymond and Johannis

811
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: in crunch time, you know as great as and So.

812
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't think that is as sure now. Obviously,

813
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: if you're the Warriors, you do it. But I'm saying.

814
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: If it's a far from contention now and then with Giannis,

815
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: it'll just be like, all right, maybe they'll give somebody

816
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: trouble in like the first or second round.

817
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: That's how I would feel. I would feel like their

818
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: ceiling would still be the probably the conference finals, maybe not.

819
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: I'd have to see a play together, and Giannis and

820
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: step together would be unbelievable. But I wouldn't look at

821
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: that as it might be a juggernaut. But I also,

822
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: just if I'm Milwaukee, I hate that trade package. What

823
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: you're giving me, is this guy picks and a guy

824
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: with a torn acl like and kaminga who you've been

825
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of. Like I just that's not

826
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: a good package to me