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Speaker 1: This is Dre blind Unc Charlotte's coach. This is the

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Speaker 1: NFL player Second Ats Podcast.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody on peanut to him?

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Speaker 3: And this is the NFL Player's Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you smiling at me. That's my got room.

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Speaker 2: So why are you? Why are you smiling? It's just

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Speaker 2: a little.

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Speaker 3: Loudreepy because we have a new podcast guest, and he

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Speaker 3: is his first podcast. So when you start counting weird ways,

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Speaker 3: he kind of make him nervous.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I'm trying not to think, my guy,

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Speaker 2: I know you want to do it a different way.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you know what, let's say the

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Speaker 3: Panthers organization for allowing us into the studio. Shout out

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Speaker 3: to the NFL Carolina Panthers for having us in the

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Speaker 3: Panthers Vision studio. Hey man, I'm excited about this. Next guest,

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Speaker 3: I was a fan of his. Played eleven seasons in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, All pro Corner, won Super Bowl thirty four

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Speaker 3: with the Rams, in the coaching with the Lions, and

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Speaker 3: now he's a defensive analyst with you and see Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast. Mister dre block

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Speaker 2: to the show man, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Like the original like ball guy, Like what he does

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Speaker 3: is go get the ball, original ball hawk.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say original Prime is the original, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I will.

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Speaker 1: Say everything that I learned, everything that I was able

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: I think Prime was was my guy.

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Speaker 1: He on my my mountain of guys I look up to,

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Speaker 1: and so I wanted to be that Prime. So you

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Speaker 1: know that's that's that's how I played the game.

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Speaker 2: Now you want to be like Prime.

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Speaker 3: You segued me perfectly into my first question, which is

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Speaker 3: something that I did not know about you, is that

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Speaker 3: you were a baseball guy, all right, that you were

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Speaker 3: in your car. You played in college, all right you

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Speaker 3: and see you and see you played five games right

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Speaker 3: bad and average of two fifty. You were two for eight,

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Speaker 3: one triple, two RBIs, three solen bases, You had five

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Speaker 3: that you?

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Speaker 2: So let me tell your story. So it was so

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Speaker 2: I went out. So let me tell you.

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Speaker 1: So, I played four sports in high school. I was

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Speaker 1: equally recruited in football in baseball as I was in football.

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Speaker 1: And I actually had about three or four private workout

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Speaker 1: before I came out. I had a picture that guy

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Speaker 1: drafted year before I came out. I was the fast

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Speaker 1: black dude that bad left the drag blunt. I was

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Speaker 1: a six four sixty guy. I can track all of

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Speaker 1: you know, people was just intrigued about my athleticism, right,

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Speaker 1: so they teach everything else.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I went to Carolina to do both. I was academically

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Speaker 1: nailed to play my true freshman year went there. Party

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Speaker 1: had to adapt to the academics. Carolina's hard academic as

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Speaker 1: except thirteen passes. First year I played football Carolina. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I try to go play baseball. After that went ten

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Speaker 1: I go to try out for baseball. I after sitting

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Speaker 1: from high school to college, not throwing any balls that

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Speaker 1: was tough, but baseball was my favorite sport. Telling you this,

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Speaker 1: you know, like part of my football career, the things

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Speaker 1: a chance to get out there and play, bro I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was. I was gonna make it happen,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, right.

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Speaker 1: And it took me a minute to adapt to the

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Speaker 1: I'm at dude, and we were Carolina Baseball wasn't what

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Speaker 2: So I left alone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I pursue you, you and mommy. I went

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, nice. Yeah, I'm swinging, imnna swing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna swing. But my first at bat was in

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Speaker 1: And I was coming from a Walter Camp All American banquet.

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Speaker 1: I flew straight from there were playing LSU. Coach Pitt

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Speaker 1: shaped me on like the third inning, right, A lot

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Speaker 1: of you not due after sitting out a year, and

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Speaker 1: then my very first hit back. Dude threw me three pitches.

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Speaker 1: It lasted probably fifteen seconds. I didn't see that one ball.

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Speaker 1: came so fast and that fello, I'm my coach setting

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Speaker 1: you up right, I'm how can you gonna put me

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Speaker 1: high school. That's for me, That's what That's when I

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Speaker 1: knew that baseball I had to go a different.

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Speaker 3: Direction playing baseball. Who would you compare your game to

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Speaker 3: as a player, Like?

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Speaker 2: Who? Who? MI mixed your game after you? Okay, So

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Speaker 2: I was I'm a de heart mess fan.

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Speaker 1: So growing up like a Vince Coleman, Right, he was

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Speaker 2: I was a lefty. He was a switch hitter.

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Speaker 1: But I was a guy that can slap it down

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Speaker 1: the third day shortstop beat it out. So I would say,

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Speaker 1: I could track any ball, right, And I tell people

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know this. As a football player, y'all,

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Speaker 1: I probably didn't think I could. You know, you probably

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Speaker 1: thought I was more quick anything. Most guys wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: and so that was I can't tell you what type

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Speaker 1: but I can go get that ball.

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Speaker 3: Coah track it now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, But Bowl was explosive like I was.

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Speaker 1: So the stretch of my game, Peanut was on tracking balls,

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Speaker 1: I didn't need to throw you out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying that was that was

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Speaker 3: So another thing that well I knew but not everybody's

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Speaker 3: because it never leaves you are a Jordan Brand athlete. Yes,

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Speaker 3: could you maybe explain how did that come about? I

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Speaker 3: know you guys both went to Chapel Hill, right, but

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Speaker 3: how did that come about?

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Speaker 2: Or an opportunity for you?

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Speaker 1: It was, you know, when I went to Detroit, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you know I talked about.

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Speaker 2: Prime being the guy I tried to mimic my game behind.

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Speaker 2: But MJ.

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Speaker 1: You know, I played basketball as well, me being a

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Speaker 1: Jordan's with a thing that was kind of like something

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Speaker 1: that you know we all like growing up. Worldwide West.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that name rings a bell, but

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Speaker 1: Worldwide West was a guy when I went to Detroit, famous, right,

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Speaker 1: he's right now like president with the Knicks worked, you know,

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Speaker 1: of the Knicks. He was the one that brought me

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Speaker 1: to the brand. When I went to Detroit my first year.

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Speaker 1: West knew what I was as a college player and

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Speaker 1: the dots and it's been a marriage, a brotherhood that's irreplaceable.

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Speaker 1: I've never bought kids shoes for my kids ever since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I've been a part.

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Speaker 2: Of the Jordan Brand family.

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Speaker 1: With me being here in Charlotte, it's been really, really

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Speaker 1: beneficial the relationships.

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Speaker 2: To this day.

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Speaker 1: Anytime I call Cliff King or I call Fred, if

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Speaker 1: I need a package, they send me a package.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They sponsored my teams, you know, when I moved to

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Speaker 2: They sponsor all of that.

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Speaker 1: Man, And it's the thing with the brand if you

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Speaker 1: do right by them, And it's the thing I try

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Speaker 1: to tell these young players I coach, never burn bridges.

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Speaker 2: Do right by folks.

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Speaker 1: If people invite you to stuff, if you tell them

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Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, you do it right. And then

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Speaker 1: when you go there, you make sure you be first

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Speaker 1: class when you're doing it right. And and if you

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Speaker 1: do that, that stuff go a long way. And whenever,

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Speaker 1: whenever Fred, whenever those guys invited me to a place

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Speaker 1: and I gave him my commitment, I show it.

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Speaker 2: Up and I made sure I did it all was

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Speaker 1: And so that's why to this day, if I need

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Speaker 1: a favor, if I call, if I need some shoes

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Speaker 1: for my kids.

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Speaker 2: They send it because it's all about relationship with those guys.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like he's still on scholarship. And yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: what I knew. And I had heard about Jordan Brand.

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad that everybody else gets to know, or

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Speaker 3: at least we get to feel like we're a piece

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Speaker 3: of the brand or the family. What was your first

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Speaker 3: welcome to the NFL moment?

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Speaker 2: I would say I won the Super Bowl my first year.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really no special teams guy in college other

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Speaker 3: Don't look at me with that because he's always on me.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well I was. I wasn't especially I was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember one time I caught it on side

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Speaker 1: I was a perfect turner. Never dude peeled back around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, like, no clue where he came from.

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Speaker 3: To the next day, It's the funniest thing because that's

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Speaker 3: keep running down. There's somebody save.

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Speaker 2: For her to come right back around me. Coach, that

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Speaker 1: So that was my welcoming to the NFL because didn't

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Speaker 1: on kickoff. I was that guy renting. That's when I

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Speaker 1: there on that field. Never again, never again. Even on defense,

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Speaker 1: my head was on a swivel. Yeah, you weren't gonna

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Speaker 2: Coach. I like that. I like that. So I got

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Speaker 2: a question for you.

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Speaker 3: My top three receivers, Calvin Johnson, Rainy Moss, and Marvin Harrison,

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Speaker 3: who were your top three?

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Speaker 2: Uh, you're gonna put me on the spot. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: And no, let me just say when I say receivers,

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Speaker 3: gonna give them their flowers. These guys are Hall of famers.

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Speaker 1: So we said, so I'm biased, uh you know, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put him in.

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Speaker 2: My top three because biased.

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Speaker 1: My teammates, Tory Horry, Oaid Brewks they raised me, right,

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Speaker 1: I got better.

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Speaker 2: They made me.

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Speaker 1: Into the playoff that I was that I became as

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Speaker 3: Even imagine how much and stuff they broke practice to.

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Speaker 2: Ricky pro So.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you play or coach George, he

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Speaker 2: King, I don't know if you remember him. I do.

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Speaker 2: He was the most skit scat to me. Yeah he was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Torri Hill, Isaac Breuce and then if Marshall

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Speaker 1: guys that I wanted to went up against every day.

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Speaker 1: That prepared me for the guys that I faced, the

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Speaker 1: guys I struggle with, right, I struggled against speed guys.

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Speaker 2: Breaks that Chad O, Joe Johnson, Sinko, whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: To call him, Well, his footwork was I agree, he

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Speaker 1: he was he was oneerful kind. But I would say

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Speaker 2: Like he was scary.

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Speaker 1: He had that Michael Vic effect, you know, like I said,

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinated. When they were game playing against Vic, they

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Speaker 1: four years when I was in Saint Louis, right, they

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Speaker 1: double him with every single snap. And moss play was

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Speaker 1: so explosive on turf. He was so fast, he was nasty.

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Speaker 1: O went about his business, how he played, I would say,

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Speaker 1: And then just how smooth and crafty, h how consistent

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Speaker 1: And then Marvin harrison, professionalism, how he made every route

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a guy that I struggled with as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he embarrassed me. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Marvin, Oh my god, I got Marvin early in

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Speaker 2: I had a good rookie year.

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Speaker 3: So the second year, we play him, and I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: I couldn't touch. He was so shifty. I couldn't even touch.

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Speaker 3: That's how Marvin is on my list, Like, dude was

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Speaker 1: And there's a few other guys, you know, because when

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure they got their flopers as well,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Chad, you know Steve Smith, you know those

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Speaker 1: He was a guy had to go to before a

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Speaker 1: you know it's just gonna be long. And making a

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Speaker 2: He just being too extra. Steve is one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: He has the potential to be that guy, right So

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Speaker 1: that's why with him, You're gonna make sure that the conversation,

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Speaker 3: So I had to make sure, you know, we were

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Speaker 3: always good when listens. Here there's all great veteran tips

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Speaker 3: right here. You know what I'm saying from DBS to

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Speaker 3: just show like, hey, just butt them up a little bit,

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Speaker 2: On my coach.

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Speaker 1: You don't understand. So what I did this, this is

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Speaker 1: what I did every game. I go to the opposition,

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Speaker 1: the receiver. I gonna make sure were good, talk to

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Speaker 1: know how the season has been going. You know, just

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Speaker 1: make sure I'm not gonna go presss. But that's that

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Speaker 1: was my tactic right before I went to go, you know,

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Speaker 1: make sure they were't gonna try to block me when

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Speaker 1: do all that because you know, like if you get

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Speaker 2: They're gonna cut you.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're gonna try to block you, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: that was my tactic, you know, you know, I try

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Speaker 3: Man, that's a good It's only a couple of guys

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Speaker 3: that I played against that would be like really nice

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Speaker 2: It's only a couple of those Who is that blair Fer?

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Speaker 4: There we go, Oh my god, this guy to you

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Speaker 4: before the game is like a family kids, He's actually

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Speaker 2: Did you get in the games like you just came

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Speaker 3: Larry was the best at so good the opposite of

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00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: like man, really being nice guy man, your family checking

442
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 3: on it, and then the game be like oh hi

443
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: and he just try and cut you.

444
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you six four? What you're doing all that?

445
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: The other thing you gotta do all that, man, you

446
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: got to do all that. That's a big thing. Yeah.

447
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 3: So two thousand and three Thanksgiving, you had a career

448
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: game had a pick. I love that party, I love

449
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: I love the celebration. You got that first pick, spun

450
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 3: the ball. Did one of these had a little peanut punch? Yes,

451
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: he did punch.

452
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 2: It was nice.

453
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: It was nice. Then you got another pick and then

454
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: the receiver. No, it was a line of clothes.

455
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 2: Line man. He came and took your head off. He

456
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 2: got me. Did you even know your helmet? Ca like?

457
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: You were so exceeding. I was so hYP I ain't

458
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 2: feeling because you hit the ground and just got up

459
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 2: and toil. Yeah, I didn't feel it. I didn't feel it.

460
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: How did you feel about playing on Thanksgiving? That was cool?

461
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 1: So obviously coming from Detroit, I mean, coming from Saint Louis.

462
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I went to Detroit was

463
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Speaker 1: I was looking forward to being the Marshall fall Is Bruce.

464
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: I felt like Detroit was up and coming with how

465
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Speaker 1: and Steve Maryucci. You know, they really valued me coming

466
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Speaker 1: from the Rams. They had some you know, Kevin Warren.

467
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all know Kevin Warren, but he's

468
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Speaker 1: the president.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's he he mused to be the commission

470
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Speaker 3: of Big Ten.

471
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 2: Right, Well, he was our player development. Really, I didn't

472
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: know that Kevin Warren was.

473
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Speaker 1: A player development with the RAMS. He was dig for me.

474
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: It was right, he in yeah, but he's a guy,

475
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: so he was. He went to Detroit. He left the

476
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: RAMS and went to Detroit as the president of Football

477
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: Ops or something like that. Well, he had a lot

478
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: to do with myself being there. He was the one

479
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 1: that attracted uh Detroit. You know, they turned them on

480
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: to me and oazac Keem as well. We both left

481
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: the RAMS and went to Detroit and on to Detroit.

482
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Speaker 1: Bro I was waiting to be that guy and I

483
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: felt like that one game, like I had a great

484
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: start my first game in Detroit player Arizona had to

485
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Speaker 1: pick six.

486
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: But still, you know, we.

487
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: Were at the bottom of the barrel of being Alliance

488
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: during that time. We were just winning a lot of games.

489
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Speaker 1: After that Thanksgiving game, Peanut playing in front of the

490
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Speaker 1: world where it's only two games on TV and end

491
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: up beating Green Bay. And another trivia question, I don't

492
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: know who you intercepted the most, but Brett Farv. I

493
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: intercepted the most out in the quarterbacks. Having those two

494
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: picks against Brett Farv on Thanksgiving Day, winning that game

495
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: that elevated me. It was amazing to play in Detroit.

496
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: It was it was, it was. It was for me.

497
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: It was my coming out party.

498
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: He's the second guy intercepted the most. Eli Manning is

499
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: the first guy. I got the most. Two good ones too.

500
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: Great one.

501
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, so good ones. So I got

502
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 3: a question for you. Actually, I don't you up.

503
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, well thank you.

504
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 3: Where were you at on the last player of the

505
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: game in Super Bowl thirty four?

506
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: I was ondo. So I was the right corner.

507
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: For those that don't know, we should be able to

508
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: show up because we have a YouTube channel now. So

509
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: it is the last play right when Tennessee got stopped

510
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 3: right here and there, ye, right there.

511
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: On the goal line made the town. Was Kevin Dyson.

512
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: I think they might have been in two by two spread.

513
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 1: I was the right corner. I think I got red

514
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: the pivot route, pivot outside, came in and went back out.

515
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: Was he open? Okay, okay, of course yeah he was.

516
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't open. But I was on that play, man.

517
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you that. People asked me about

518
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: that game, and uh and it's the thing I tell

519
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: you know now that I'm coaching you value every moment

520
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: because it's hard to be. People don't understand what it

521
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: takes to be great, to be number one, how hard

522
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: it is to be number one, how hard it is

523
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: to get back. That last drive, I felt like it

524
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: lasted an hour. Yeah, slow, every play was slow. I

525
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: dropped to pick that last drive. It wouldn't have counted.

526
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Carter jumped off side, but still it was a

527
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: crossing route and Steve threw a back of across his body.

528
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm on a crossing route when that was the right

529
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: corner and I undercuted it and I didn't drop me

530
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: in it, but I dropped it. But still when I

531
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: look back on that, I'm like, dang, I have a

532
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: chance to have a pick in the closing moment of

533
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl game and the week before. People don't

534
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: know this, Tampa Bay. I got the pick. It gave

535
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: us the ball at midfield. Next played, they threw a

536
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: deep to Ricky pro for the touchdown. Having a chance,

537
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: just thinking about it back to back weeks, NFC Championship,

538
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, getting the pick.

539
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have counted.

540
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: But when you look back on it, I'm like, dang,

541
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: But that last drive, Bro, it was two minutes, but

542
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: it felt like an hour and just winning that super

543
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: Bowl and how fast it happened, and then how hard

544
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: it was to get back. I played in two super

545
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: Bowls in my first three years. You lost one, Uh,

546
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: you want one?

547
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: When I lost? The one in Uh I lost was

548
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: forty one in two thousand, I lost time.

549
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: I lost to Tom Brady in two thousand and one,

550
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: his first one, and playing in two of my first

551
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: three years, I thought it was easy.

552
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: To get there.

553
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: I thought, like, like just not cherishing the moment, like

554
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: making the most opportunity when you're in.

555
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: I never went back to the playoffs after that. No, no,

556
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: bro wrong.

557
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: I tell people this story, like my first three years

558
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: I played super Bowl. I mean I played the playoffs.

559
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Two out of the three I went to super Bowl,

560
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: I won one, I lost one. After I left Saint

561
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: Louis in two thousand and two, I never went back

562
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: to the playoffs.

563
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: Never, do you understand what I'm saying. So when I

564
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: said vacation, when I tell people when you I didn't

565
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: know that like it.

566
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought it was easy number one.

567
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to easily get back. So

568
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: that's why I like, when I look back on my career,

569
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: when I look back on the things I've done, Like

570
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: when I see people getting fired from going to winning,

571
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: going to the Super Ball, going to the NC Championship game,

572
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs, winning twelve games, college coaches, like.

573
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Like do you understand how hard

574
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: it is to be number one?

575
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you shouldn't have the expectation of

576
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: the standard of being number one, but shoot, like when

577
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: I like, I can sit here and say I went

578
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: to Super Bowls and I'm damn proud that I went

579
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: to Super Bowls one one lost one. You got people

580
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: that's disappointed that they lose. I get it, but they

581
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: losing jobs behind it. And what are we doing? Because

582
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you want to be successful. Yeah,

583
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: Like if you play ten years and you win, you

584
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: go twelve and four, eleven to five.

585
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: Right when you wouln be like, dang, I ain't win

586
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: the super Bowl.

587
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: But thirty years from now, when you're done, you can

588
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: say you as a winner and not a loser in

589
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: a sense, you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying,

590
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: And so I see people all the time, man like

591
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: like they disappointed with their performance when they win twelve

592
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: games and go twelve for four and they feel like

593
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: they feel and it says you did, but really you didn't.

594
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: It's hard to be good. It's hard to be a winner,

595
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying, And so like,

596
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: I just think where we are now being up, Like

597
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: when we look back on our careers on what we've done,

598
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: we were damn successful. We did some really good things, right.

599
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: We ain't leave nothing on the tape. We ain't nothing

600
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of, you know what I'm saying. What

601
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And we don't Like I just think, like

602
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: we we we strive for excellence being number one, It

603
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: ain't nothing wrong with it, but we so hard on

604
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: ourselves that we can appreciate the moment and enjoy what

605
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: we've really done.

606
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you actually forget how to enjoy the ride?

607
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: Right versus like because you said it earlier, just yours, Like, man,

608
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: I wanted wanted to be my time. I went to

609
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: Detroit because in my impression, they were a team that

610
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: was coming on the ride and they needed me and

611
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: they needed you. And then you go there and you're like, dude,

612
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: I never made the playoffs again, that what we mean?

613
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: That is crazy. To me, I didn't and so I

614
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: look back and I'm like, damn, it's a hard I

615
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: didn't know that I should have stayed in Saint Louis.

616
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: I might not have made as much money.

617
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I might not have been a Pro Bowl caliber player,

618
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, like, you have those

619
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, would you rather

620
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: be a winner? Would you rather have like like like

621
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: that those wins are the money, right, but but those

622
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: are the things that that that that come in your mind.

623
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Right.

624
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: And so when we see people that lose jobs or

625
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: be disappointed about winning twelve games, winning eleven games, going

626
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, right and uh, and they not happy

627
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: with their performance. At the end of the day, you

628
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: want to be successful. To me, that success, yeah it

629
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: was love.

630
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: Love was there. That was my DC awesome Ron Meets.

631
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if Meets was your court dB cop,

632
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: but I had love it And to me, that's when

633
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: my game took off. Like like we talked about the

634
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, the peanut punch, right, like like you need

635
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: to pat that bro, Like like I tried, look, but listen, listen, listen.

636
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: Your name is talked about in all meeting rooms as

637
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: a coach. We got we got drills, the peanut punch

638
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: drill I just did one other day.

639
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: We're teaching a pin.

640
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you're gonna break your damn hand trying

641
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to do like you gotta you got you got to

642
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: be like you got to know what you're doing now

643
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: you do it. You can't like, you can't just practice

644
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: it all the time, bro, like you you gotta you

645
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: gotta be like the ball care.

646
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: You gotta give them some meed because if you got

647
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: that thing, talk like, you gotta be real and like

648
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: when you practicing this and you can break you in,

649
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: you can you know what I'm saying.

650
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: But you made a lot of plays. But I had

651
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: to go look it up. Because I learned how to

652
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: get I got twenty out right, I called like I

653
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: cast twenty fumbals. I learned how to practice or get

654
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: the ball out because of Lovey right and Nias Williams,

655
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: who's my big brother. Love That's when I really took

656
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: that next step as a corner because I knew how

657
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: to prepare well. Nia's practice every day on getting the

658
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: ball out.

659
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: Us looking at Tampa take Ron day.

660
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Those guys day d Brooks, how they practice I cast

661
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: twenty fumbers. I didn't I had a would send. It

662
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: was it was a few guys that felt like I

663
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: can do it right. Uh and and and you know, guys,

664
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I looked at guys, I mind how they did it.

665
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: I would I mind how he got the ball up.

666
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: You know he tappled the football, whether he punched it

667
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: and I had I got beatles right. I didn't necessarily

668
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: left to you know, but that just that was what

669
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I did. Sometimes I plant come from the back, sometimes

670
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: I come with the heavy hen. But how you did it, man,

671
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: Like I applaud you on how you did it, man,

672
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: And you know what you did, how you played the

673
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: game like I was a fan.

674
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

675
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you like this, like I think

676
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: this generation don't know enough of the guys that came

677
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: before them.

678
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: Harp.

679
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: I know you like like you're a student of the game,

680
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: Like you was a physical dude.

681
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: Bro, he was a leader. Right.

682
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: I love how you got locked guys. I love your

683
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: approach to the game. Those are the things I tell

684
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: my players I coach right, how to prepare, how you communicate,

685
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: the way you guys went about it those like when

686
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm coaching, you best believe I'm making sure these players

687
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: respect the brotherhood and doing it the right way. Right

688
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: because the way we were, the way we were taught,

689
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: we was taught a certain way. I want to make

690
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: sure these guys get this information. When I'm out there coaching.

691
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

692
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: right back.

693
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 3: You're talking about what you're doing and the coaching and stuff.

694
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: I want to know what you did in between that,

695
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: because it's like this break dre Blig's life that we

696
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: got some question marks. I want to fill in the

697
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: blanks where the viewers and for myself.

698
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Well, move to Charlotte when I retire.

699
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: I got five kids, four boys and a girl, and

700
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, my two boys man athletes kind of you know,

701
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: got me along the lines of being you know, coaching

702
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: and taking them into practice, and so got involved here

703
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: in Charlotte. Deeply I wanted to surround my sons with

704
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: the best right create an environment for my sons where

705
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: they can go be successful. Moved to Menes Park. Realized

706
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: mins Park was a great school, had a lot of talent,

707
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot of ner city kids that was leaving. So

708
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to create an environment with these guys stayed.

709
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: And so I created a youth football organization with a

710
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: guy named Roger Pergison was able to recruit some kids.

711
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

712
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: And then I started a youth baseball organization as well

713
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: with Tony Woman.

714
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony and I.

715
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: So me and Tony partner up for the baseball, and

716
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: me and a guy named Roger Purgison partner up for

717
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: the football through me and Rogers brotherhood, and so we

718
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: started his youth footballsation called the Hammer down Tar Hills.

719
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: We fed all those kids in the mens Park through

720
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: all of that room.

721
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: And Peanut, I.

722
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: Remember your son's senior year. How how many guys y'all

723
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: sent off.

724
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: From that team.

725
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: So I was able to get Drake man like you

726
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: got Drake made it come over to mynors Park, his dad,

727
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, they fellow Tar Hills. I was able to

728
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, Moose, my Moose, Mohammed son was able to

729
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: get him to Menes Park. My son trade my oldest

730
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: at Meyers Park. In his four years or three years

731
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: of playing at Meers Park, he was like thirty five

732
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: and five. Allston the Simes, like, we created a really

733
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: strong environment. And on the baseball side, right my son

734
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: played baseball as well. I was able to create an

735
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: environment baseball wise through Tony Womack where I was in

736
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: gm Man.

737
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: He trained my guys.

738
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: But I had to base baseball team or one of

739
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: the best in the state travel baseball team, kalling the

740
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: Black Socks. I was able to get Sam Hall on

741
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: a baseball team. So that's how that's when I realized

742
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I can recruit and I need to go coach. And

743
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: so Fred Winfield this how I got into coaching. He

744
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you need to go coach.

745
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: Bro.

746
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: He was like, this window was closing, but you need

747
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: to get into this coaching. You like, for a guy

748
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: like yourself, you got to get in while your name

749
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: is relevant, but you have a passion for this coaching,

750
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: mentoring kids, guiding, And he said, if you want to

751
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: pursue it, you need to go dive in. And so

752
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: that's when I reached out to my relationships in the league,

753
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Mike Martz and some of the guys that I knew,

754
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, because the one thing they said about us

755
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: peanut room, that we don't want to put in the time,

756
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: right y'all hear about the crazy coaching hours that is

757
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: required for us to be successful, and a lot of

758
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: us they don't think we have it in us to

759
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: do it. And so so I wanted to go see

760
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: before I dove in. And I did the internship with

761
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints with aging and Sean Payton, and

762
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I did that. Peter Jenta, who was the senior TB

763
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: analyst there, senior assistant, he was my d C with

764
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: the Rams, did that. It wasn't too much for me.

765
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: I love how ag went about this business, professionalism, the

766
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: energy brought to the field.

767
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: Sean Payton.

768
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: If you can handle his schedule like you can handle

769
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: any schedule, because Sean p is detailed staff meet is uh,

770
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: you work right. And for me it was good right.

771
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: As long as I was doing something competing, I was,

772
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I was.

773
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: I was happy. And then that following y'all did Miami

774
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: Dolphins with Adam Gaze.

775
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: He was in Detroit with me. So I did two

776
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: minority interesthips back the back. Years after I did that,

777
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: I knew I was in. And Mack Brown, who was

778
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, one of my mentors as well, had been

779
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: in touch travel Hill. I was following me. He was

780
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: my coach at Chapel Hill. I was following my progression here.

781
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: Charlotte was seeing the people I was connected with me

782
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: being a fellow taught me being a tar Hill right,

783
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: there was no place in North Cline I couldn't go

784
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: and and not getting the door right, and so he

785
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: knew when he got hired that I was gonna be

786
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: able to recruit. Right, I'm from the seven five to seven.

787
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm from with Vic and d hall Mall. We all

788
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: from there. So he knew I was gonna be able

789
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: to take over the seven five, which I was able

790
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: to do. And and so that's when I got this

791
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: is that coaching man fell in love with it. So

792
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I was able to Josh Darrens. I don't know if

793
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: y'all know, he's my nephew. That's why he went to Carolina.

794
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Me and my wife both went to Chapel Hill. His mom,

795
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: which is my wife's sister. His parents went to NC State.

796
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: So Caleb Downs the guy in Ohio State, that's my nephew.

797
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: So we was able to create the environment. I fell

798
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: in love with it. And you know, for me, it's

799
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: the giving back part, right, all the stories that we got,

800
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: all the things that we did good and did bad.

801
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: I can give this this information to my players to

802
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: help us be better than us.

803
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: And so that's why I coach.

804
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: So I know you're a UNC Charlotte right now, and

805
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: you're the defensive analyst, not just a coach, but like,

806
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 3: what does that intel being with that title defensive analyst?

807
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: Well, when an opportunity to presented itself, So my son

808
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: is there, My son went to school there.

809
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: He just last year he was a GA Trey, but.

810
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: He was a GA there last year and he didn't

811
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: have the best experience as a player.

812
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: You know, he's undersized. You know how it is. They

813
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: want to They want every corner to look like they

814
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: want them to look like you. Peanuts. They hate on us.

815
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 2: Now every coach is shark board.

816
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: They wanted joking to be six two two o five

817
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: six three like. They want them to look like you.

818
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, coach, and if they don't look like, they

819
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: don't think he can play. I'm just saying no. But

820
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: like they want the jokers to look like you, right,

821
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: And so this is why because it's less coaching, it's

822
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: less teaching.

823
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: They look like you.

824
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: And so but my son saying he five seven five

825
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: seven and a half five eight.

826
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: Uh, he was a speech to but he was you know,

827
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: his weight wasn't you know? He was? He was small

828
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: at the time. And so Biff came in, who's the

829
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: head coach at Charlotte? Yeah, I like that guy.

830
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: He was very successful off the field. He owned the

831
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: hedge Fund. I don't know if people know this, but

832
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, not to put his business out there, but

833
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: he's you know, he can buy NFL teams, all right,

834
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: that's how wealthy this man is. And he was very

835
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: successful as a businessman. And so he gave my son

836
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: opportunity and I appreciate it, right because.

837
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: Of who I was.

838
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: He wanted to hire my son as a GA because

839
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: he was a coach's son, and what I did in

840
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: the game he want. And then when my son has

841
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: earned the right, you know, he's a good student, right,

842
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: very smart, very intelligent. But he hired him and then

843
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: based during the year he had last year, and how

844
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: happy my son work. And my son was miserable in

845
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: his four years in Charlotte because of the things he

846
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: had to go through COVID, him being undersized, him not

847
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: getting to travel.

848
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: Ever as a scholarship player. You know what I'm saying

849
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, in this profession, they

850
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: can make a kid quick, right.

851
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: And in a lot of times, some of these coaches

852
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: in today's college, they want you to quit so I

853
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: can get that scholarship.

854
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: They want you to quit.

855
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: It's just different me being a father, you know, like

856
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm not no daddy ball dude.

857
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta take your medicine, right.

858
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: But still when they mess with your kids, they're messing

859
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: with you, right and so, But have Biff treated my

860
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: son the opportunity gave my son, I appreciate it. And

861
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: but just those are the type of men I want

862
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: to be around. Successful men. Guys is very secure in

863
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: who they are. We'll threat a lot of people because

864
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: of our success on the field. And Bif you know,

865
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: has been very successful in the business world. He know

866
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: what it takes to build the enterprise. And he presented

867
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity for me to come join the staff. At

868
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the time, it wasn't really a lot of work. He

869
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: just wanted me, right, He said, you can be whatever

870
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: you want to be. I'm like a special assistant to

871
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Bill working with the DBS.

872
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: I'll be able to recruit anybody.

873
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: I want to recruit, right, and so that's just that's

874
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I recruited the best of the best,

875
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: so I'll be able to go into Virginia. I'll be

876
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: able to recruit anybody here in Charlotte. So what Biff

877
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: got going on? I think the opportunity to presented to

878
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: me here in Charlotte. It was opportunity for me to

879
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: slow down, be with my family, be with my son,

880
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: and I jumped on it. For me, levels don't matter, none,

881
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: done it all. Just having a chance to mentor coach,

882
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: teach and be happy was more important than anything.

883
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: So going from and that kind of leads into my

884
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: next question, like your journey from college coach as an intern,

885
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: then you're in college, then you're back in the league,

886
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: and then you're back to college. Like out of out

887
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: of those experiences that I just mentioned, which been like

888
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 3: the best.

889
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: One, well, I mean sure I was able to do

890
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: something in Detroit last year that as a player we

891
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: made history. Yea, they went to the mc Chester game

892
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: and see how happy detruit was. See the site that

893
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: we brought to that state, to that city, See the

894
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: job that Dan did, that AG did, and to be

895
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: a part of it. It felt good right to see

896
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: the four family smile and happy, because again I'm part

897
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: of the fourth family. Right, I did some good when

898
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I was in Detroit. So Bill Ford, he was actually

899
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: he ran the team when I played with the Lions.

900
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: His son should to run in the locker room right

901
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: to see Mama Ford, to see them happy, smiling, see Shila.

902
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: Right to see those guys happy. It admit something to me.

903
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: So I think what we did last in Detroit was memorable.

904
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: To be a part of that was there. You know,

905
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: I lived in Detroit five years of my last twenty years, right,

906
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: and so to be a part of that was pretty cool.

907
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: But you know, being in Chapel Hill, right, I mean

908
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: we did something also good at Chapel Hill. We fell

909
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: a little short, but I'm not gonna discredit what we did.

910
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Sam Howland Drake made two of the greatest

911
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks ever in school history.

912
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: I recruited them.

913
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: My nephew, Josh Downs, one of the most prolific receivers

914
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: ever to come to Chapel Hill.

915
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: That's my nephew. He went to Carolina because I was

916
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: there to.

917
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Be a part of that, to help Mac do something

918
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: of these great things at Carolina to go to an

919
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: a SC championship.

920
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: We fell short. Yeah, go to Orange Bowl.

921
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I played on some good teams at Carolina, were so good.

922
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: Herd Pepper said, the red shirt right, people.

923
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: Don't know what playing tight end at first too. But

924
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: he couldn't get on the field. Yeah, we had Greg

925
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 2: Gellius right, Bonnie Holliday. He couldn't get on the field.

926
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: But we never went.

927
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: To Alliance Bowl or win a championship. So I'm proud of.

928
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 3: That, and I give you credit because Detroit showed out

929
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: for the draft too, and the boys Detroit showed out

930
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 3: in the city.

931
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: They got some players. I was happy to see those guys.

932
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: They wouldn't got your boy from Bama took another corner

933
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: they brought into free agents.

934
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: I was just happy for the city itself. The city

935
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: was it was beautiful to be around. Yeah, it was

936
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: a great buzz, It was a great it was good energy.

937
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: Yes it was.

938
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: I believe it was the most people when they know

939
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: the excuse me, the draft that always travels removes every year.

940
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: Those the most people they've ever had. You played in

941
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: Detroit a lot. How was like and you like it

942
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: was dead.

943
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: It looked like like a ghost town when I was there,

944
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: like when he was playing when we played, like a

945
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: lot of the buildings were abandoned.

946
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: It was in ford Field.

947
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Like so we do. We average probably three four wins

948
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: a year and that's stay.

949
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: So it was crowded all the time. Yeah, I made

950
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: a faithful fans.

951
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: So I wass the last time I played there? Crazy

952
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: we Joey Herrington was on our team.

953
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: You played with Joey? Yeah in New Orleans. He was

954
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: there for a year. Wow, And that was the year

955
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: Detroit went in sixteen.

956
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my in two thousand and seven, of

957
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, whatever that was. We got him

958
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: and we're we're winning pretty good. And it was like

959
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: quiet town in there, Like you could hear conversations in

960
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: the stands and you can hear people like, we want Joey.

961
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: They wanted to see Joey Harrington come in the game

962
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: and do for them what I guess they had done

963
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: what he had done for you guys, which wasn't much.

964
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: But uh, bottom line is this. That was the only

965
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: time I got to be there. I actually like Detroit.

966
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: I thought Detroit really showed out for the draft. I

967
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 3: was awesome, awesome.

968
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: What was the best. So what was the best place?

969
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: Because you played in the Super Bowl with the Panthers,

970
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: right and in New Orleans?

971
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: You one one, you one one? You was my man

972
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: twenty two? Had that hide? Tracy Porter?

973
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: Yes, you was on that game and you who was

974
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the other state the Matt Are you playing with D Sharp?

975
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: Yep? Yep?

976
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 3: Me and D Sharp was back there, Jabari Greer and

977
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: Tracy Porter. Malcolm Jenkins was a rookie.

978
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Jay, I thought was he a nickel? Yes? It

979
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: was a nickel. Yep.

980
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: We had them all out there, bro, we was balling.

981
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: What year was this for you? This was your four

982
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: four contract year?

983
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: Yes, really good year.

984
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: Yes, but we got the CBA lockout so I couldn't

985
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: get paid.

986
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: But we're not gonna talk about that today. We'll do

987
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: that off camera.

988
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm an interject on right now Mount Rushmore? Who's on

989
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: your personal Mount Rushmore? You've had a lot of success

990
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: just throughout life, you know, from high school, college, NFL,

991
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: right now coaching, you know, in your in your second act,

992
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 3: who's on your Who's on your Mount Rushmore?

993
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I would say I heard you ask that question for yeah,

994
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know MJ. Right, Just so instrumental in

995
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: my life as a kid as an adult.

996
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.

997
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: This is the thing like what TV said about MJ,

998
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: like when you were in his presence, or I think

999
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: one of you guys said, like, you know you kind

1000
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: of get starstruck, right, you don't want to be like

1001
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: no groupie anything like you know, you just don't, right,

1002
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: you just you know, you know, you know, like how

1003
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: we are as professional athletes, Like I ain't gonna sweat you,

1004
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1005
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 2: We we all here, right. But like definitely he's been

1006
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: instrumental in my life and.

1007
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Relationships I've accumulated from him. Fred Winfield, he is my mentor.

1008
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: I got a great deal of respect for Free. I

1009
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: call everything that I do. Any any major decision I make,

1010
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: I call Fred right. And so I would say MJ.

1011
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: I would say Prime right, talk to Prime love Prime Man.

1012
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: I follow everything Prime does, right, Uh, just how he

1013
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: moved his energy, everything that he did is a player

1014
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: I try to do. I tell my players, now, find

1015
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: a player and try to immolate him.

1016
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: That's what I did.

1017
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: I used to practice stance quick jam stands Peanut when he.

1018
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: Had the track, stands the stack. Nobody that I don't

1019
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: know why.

1020
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm a wide based guy. I got my forty three picks.

1021
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: I palmped every like everyone that prime. I lost one.

1022
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: Too, Look, I lost one.

1023
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my man, my man received her name with falcons.

1024
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: Roddy White got me doog when it's saying frand god

1025
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: man and it was bad too.

1026
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm so you can. You can look it up. I

1027
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: will every pick that I got. I raised the ball. Oh,

1028
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: we'll definitely it'll get played crime MJ on my wall.

1029
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: Kobe, Yeah, I got the guys Kobe right, and then

1030
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: I would probably say coaching wise, uh dig for me,

1031
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: he drafted me. Yeah, what Dick represents as a coach,

1032
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: how he interacts with this, how relational he is with

1033
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: his players? Uh, those are guys, all right?

1034
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: And in thirty seconds or less.

1035
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: Tell me about Dan Campbell as a as a as

1036
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: a teammate and now as a coach.

1037
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: Animal like how he leads people ask about thirty seconds,

1038
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: people ask about Uh, the number one quality as a coach,

1039
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: stability league.

1040
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: It ain't nobody ex The way Dan Campbell leagues is phenomenal.

1041
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: I agree, I.

1042
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: Can't compare it. Guys run through a wall for him.

1043
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: It means something to him. And that's what I mind

1044
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: by high then coaches, and that's why the players play

1045
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: the way they play for them because his ability to leave.

1046
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: Hey, man, appreciate you, blest less appreciate you guys man,

1047
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: and y'all keep keep up the good work.

1048
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: Man, Like when they told him, I haven't had a

1049
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: lot of conversations with you. Wrong, my brother, my Mega

1050
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: South five brother, I'm a fan. I looked you guys up,

1051
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the work that you're doing.

1052
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: Like we need this.

1053
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: It's you know, as players right just to you know,

1054
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: because when we leave, this is the thing we don't

1055
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: do a good enough job with checking in right, And

1056
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: this is how we check in. Like I ain't seen

1057
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: TV in a minute, and I like, I had a

1058
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: lot to do with him while he's part of the brand.

1059
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: And he asked me like he said, right, and so

1060
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: it was good to see his faith. This is my

1061
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: fellow roole boy right here, Trey Boston, fellow tar Hill,

1062
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: my young boy. He was at Carolina. I used to

1063
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: come back and see him all right. I follow him

1064
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: on social media. See all the things he's doing coaching,

1065
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: see his son, see him doing the little ladder. I

1066
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: see all that, I see it. I ain't o no

1067
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: one the last time I've seen Trey. You know what

1068
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying this is this allows us to be able

1069
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: to stay connected. So I appreciate it.

1070
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: No man, I received that. I appreciate it. Bro, depreciate it.

1071
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I'm gonna watch my son.

1072
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, well, since your butt back down so

1073
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: we can get off the show correct way, take two saves,

1074
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: won't take two says.

1075
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: He said.

1076
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

1077
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: Look, I'm Peanut telling me this is the NFL Player

1078
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: second X podcast.

1079
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: That's Dre. That's wrong. Hey man, we appreciate sy'all.

1080
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: Watch us on our NFL YouTube channel, Share Life, Subscribe, follow.

1081
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: We can't thank y'all without y'all to show.

1082
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing.

1083
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: We appreciate y'all and like Dre said, we need this.

1084
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: We do need this. iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts. Come check

1085
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: us out. NFL Player Second Acts podcast.

1086
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: We app Back by say Ba ba