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Speaker 1: Katie and Bows, except there is no Katie this week
Speaker 1: because she is on excessive book deadline. And so I
Speaker 1: am flying solo. Um, I'm terrified. I'm very very scared
Speaker 1: to fly solo. But it's okay. You know why it's
Speaker 1: okay because I have my very good girlfriend who is
Speaker 1: an incredible person um, not just an entertainer and not
Speaker 1: just a creator, but an all around incredible woman who
Speaker 1: is joining me today La La Anthony, and I'm so
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. You're gonna be fine
Speaker 1: riding solo tonight. I got your back. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: You are great and everything you do. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: so much. I do you. You've really you've done it all.
Speaker 1: You've done it all, and you inspire me because there
Speaker 1: are so many facets of not just your personality, but
Speaker 1: you're ingenuity, your innovation, the way that you transform yourself
Speaker 1: that I think so many people could learn from. You know,
Speaker 1: we were in this time in which so many people
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what they're gonna do right.
Speaker 1: It feels like a moment where we're all trying to
Speaker 1: re energize and trying to figure out how to create
Speaker 1: in this time when there is so much chaos happening,
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to reinvent, and you, my dear,
Speaker 1: are the queen of reinvention. But can we also just
Speaker 1: talk about how we first met, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you're my bestie and I think I think I'm one
Speaker 1: of them, Yes exactly. I'm just saying that, yes, one
Speaker 1: of them, because otherwise other people get mad, that's right,
Speaker 1: and other your best seas will get mad too if
Speaker 1: we just played each other, only because we do run
Speaker 1: into quite a crew of impressive women. But from what
Speaker 1: I remember, I've always known who you were. I was
Speaker 1: always paying attention to all the amazing things that you've done.
Speaker 1: And then I remember us meeting at the b E
Speaker 1: t Hert Awards. Yes, I said, my cousin was with me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you gotta go say how to her?
Speaker 1: And then like bring me over there and introduced me.
Speaker 1: But like, don't make it obvious. I want to meet her,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to look too thirsty. So can
Speaker 1: you act like you want to meet her? And then
Speaker 1: like we we I don't even know if you know
Speaker 1: that story, but we playing out and then when it
Speaker 1: went in for the kill, and then I came by
Speaker 1: and we met, and I don't know, it's like it
Speaker 1: was like we've known each other our whole lives and
Speaker 1: we just did it all from there. No, seriously, because
Speaker 1: of feeling the feeling that I had and said, I've
Speaker 1: always seen you, you know, I've always seen you either
Speaker 1: on TV or I've seen you at different industry events
Speaker 1: or whatnot, and so I knew of you, and I
Speaker 1: know you were sweet, like you're always very kind, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever we passed each other and whatever event, um always
Speaker 1: really really nice. But then yes, when your cousin came
Speaker 1: up to me, I was like, oh, yes, here's my information.
Speaker 1: I think I had for every piece of contact information.
Speaker 1: I was like, here's my cell phone, here's my second
Speaker 1: cell phone number, there's my email address, and also my
Speaker 1: daughter's birthday. I was like, whatever, whatever she needs, like
Speaker 1: have a contact with But I just just love you, glad, grateful. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've had an amazing friendship. And it's always important to
Speaker 1: surround yourself with people that inspire you and people that
Speaker 1: push you and motivate you to do more and and
Speaker 1: just fulfill your purpose and your passion. So you're definitely
Speaker 1: one of those people in my life and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Well, thank you, honey. I mean the truth
Speaker 1: of the matter, though, is that you too, you're not
Speaker 1: new to this, okay, like you you've been at this,
Speaker 1: at this aim of entertainment, of reinvention of storytelling, which
Speaker 1: I find is, you know, sort of a cornerstone of
Speaker 1: my own career in a different standpoint, because you've been,
Speaker 1: i mean on on the microphone and in front of
Speaker 1: cameras for a long time. Can you talk about how
Speaker 1: you first started, because it was like fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 1: years old right in Atlanta. Yeah, so I started. I
Speaker 1: wasn't intern at sixteen years old at the radio station
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It was the same radio station that Ludacris
Speaker 1: worked at, but at that time he went under the
Speaker 1: name Chris Love a Lover. So he was there and
Speaker 1: he had been in the game radio game longer than me.
Speaker 1: He's older than me, so he had been there a
Speaker 1: few years. And then I came up and I had
Speaker 1: just moved to Atlanta from New York. I'm from New
Speaker 1: York and my mom wanted to get out of New
Speaker 1: York and go to Atlanta. So we went there and
Speaker 1: I started interning, and I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bust my behind to get recognized and show
Speaker 1: everyone here that I'm a hard worker what I could do.
Speaker 1: And they're like, but how old are you? And I
Speaker 1: started lying saying that I was eighteen, because to get
Speaker 1: the internship you had to be eighteen. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm eighteen, but I was only sixty years old. And
Speaker 1: I got the internship and the rest was kind of history.
Speaker 1: I started on the radio with Ludicrous and then from
Speaker 1: there I transitioned to radio in l A. And then
Speaker 1: I became an MTV VJ and then a producer, actor, host, entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: all of those things. But definitely it started in a
Speaker 1: radio and that's my first love. And I know that
Speaker 1: my career, you know, took off because of my love
Speaker 1: of music, and it took me to all these different
Speaker 1: amazing places. So okay, so but we gotta pause though,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you just ran through like seventeen careers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like other people are like, yes,
Speaker 1: I want to be on the radio, and then they
Speaker 1: maybe they get there, maybe they get there. And then
Speaker 1: they stay there, you know. But you were like, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the radio and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: a VJ, and I'm gonna be an act person, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be an entrepreneur. I mean, my god, Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's let's let's start from the transition from being on
Speaker 1: the radio to being a VJ. How did that happen
Speaker 1: and why did you want to do it and why
Speaker 1: do you think you succeeded at it? Well, for one,
Speaker 1: you know, starting on the radio was an amazing platform,
Speaker 1: but then people would always say kind of what you said.
Speaker 1: You know, when you get on the radio, a lot
Speaker 1: of people just stay on the radio, like just be happy.
Speaker 1: This is how it starts and ends for you. You're
Speaker 1: on the radio, Like that's it. You can't She didn't
Speaker 1: want anything more. You're on the radio. And I kept thinking,
Speaker 1: well why not? And I was like, after radio, what
Speaker 1: feels like the natural next step? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: TV to me, feels like the next step after radio.
Speaker 1: So when MTV um I was on the radio in
Speaker 1: l A. And I became really recognized. People knew my
Speaker 1: voice and knew who I was. So MTV called one
Speaker 1: day They actually called the receptionist at the radio station.
Speaker 1: I remember walking into work. I was at that time
Speaker 1: now like eighteen years old in Los Angeles, and they said, Hey,
Speaker 1: somebody from MTV call looking for you, and it was
Speaker 1: like a sticky note with like a number on it.
Speaker 1: I'm on TV. So I called and they were like,
Speaker 1: we just want you to come in. We've heard a
Speaker 1: lot about you, we just want to meet you. I
Speaker 1: was like okay, So I came in and then they
Speaker 1: saw me and they were like, oh, you should be
Speaker 1: on TV, Like have you ever thought about that? And
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, I've been wanting to do it.
Speaker 1: And then they went I went through an audition kind
Speaker 1: of process where I had to interview people and show
Speaker 1: them that I could be good on camera. But I
Speaker 1: already had a lot of the lessons from radio, because
Speaker 1: even though you don't see someone's face a lot of times,
Speaker 1: in radio, it's the same concept. You're interviewing people, you're
Speaker 1: being personable. So I brought all of that to my
Speaker 1: audition and then they said, hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: move back to New York where I'm from and start
Speaker 1: hosting one of our MTV shows? And I was like absolutely,
Speaker 1: and then I moved to New York and started doing that,
Speaker 1: and then ultimately during MTV, I was switched over to
Speaker 1: become one of the premier host of TRL, which at
Speaker 1: that time was the biggest the biggest show on television.
Speaker 1: Still is like, when I go back and think of
Speaker 1: the MTV days, I'm just like, I'm in awe of it,
Speaker 1: because when you're in a job, you're just kind of
Speaker 1: doing a job and trying to be great at it.
Speaker 1: But it does sometimes it takes you stepping out to
Speaker 1: look back and go we were making history, like thousands
Speaker 1: of kids in Times Square every day, everything that was
Speaker 1: going on, and to be at the center of that.
Speaker 1: And I also find it funny when people say, you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up watching you on MTV and and it's
Speaker 1: a compliment, but at the same time, I'm like, guys,
Speaker 1: when I was on MTV, I was twenty years old,
Speaker 1: Like you're saying it, like like, okay, you were, and
Speaker 1: I was twenty Like yeah, we grew up watching me,
Speaker 1: but we were the same age. So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of funny. But MTV was such a great experience and
Speaker 1: I made so many relationships there and it was so
Speaker 1: great for me. And then as MTV started changing over
Speaker 1: the years and becoming like less about music videos and
Speaker 1: t R, I was coming to and and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now it's time to make the next transition and what
Speaker 1: would that be? That would be acting, producing, more hosting,
Speaker 1: And so I went back to l A and really
Speaker 1: focused on pursuing my acting career, going to acting classes,
Speaker 1: working with an acting coach, really just taking it super seriously.
Speaker 1: It was always there, but like really laser focused in
Speaker 1: on it, going on auditions, and then I started booking
Speaker 1: like small, small stuff. In my first big I would say,
Speaker 1: people know me from like really young I was and
Speaker 1: you Got Served and two can Play the Game and
Speaker 1: all these these movies when I was young. But my
Speaker 1: real kind of big break was when I became part
Speaker 1: of the Think Like a Man franchise and I wasn't
Speaker 1: think like a man wanted to And after that is
Speaker 1: where I finally saw like, wow, I could really have
Speaker 1: a career, you know, in this thing. And that's how
Speaker 1: it happened. Feel like I rambling this is history. Okay history,
Speaker 1: It's like everybody paying attention. This is history because the
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is you were at the center
Speaker 1: of a lot of things that started trends that we
Speaker 1: still see today. You know, when you think about tr
Speaker 1: row and everything that was modeled after TRL, because before
Speaker 1: it's year around, I think I've been done like that before. No, no,
Speaker 1: you know, so then you started modeling what that looked like?
Speaker 1: And are you serious? Yes? I watched you on t
Speaker 1: RL okay, And the most amazing thing to me is that,
Speaker 1: of course people are gonna say, you know, they grew
Speaker 1: up watching you, but that is such an incredible accolade
Speaker 1: to be a somewhat mentor fall away mentor and aspiration
Speaker 1: to people who are your same age. It's definitely cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're not looking at somebody who's like far far
Speaker 1: ahead of them. They're looking at you, and they're like
Speaker 1: they're putting themselves in your shoes and saying, well, she
Speaker 1: can do it, I can do it. You know. That's
Speaker 1: an incredible It was incredible, credible journey. And I don't
Speaker 1: take it lightly. MTV was an amazing place. I learned
Speaker 1: so much there, but even at the MTV level, like
Speaker 1: I found some of the same challenges where and I
Speaker 1: say this to my entrepreneurs and people in business and
Speaker 1: just people that are trying to get it like it
Speaker 1: was the same kind of thing. Okay, you're on MTV.
Speaker 1: Now this is all you're gonna do. You're only gonna
Speaker 1: be an MTVVJ. And after MTV, nobody hears from you anymore.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what happens to people after MTV, which a
Speaker 1: lot of my MTV hosts have went on to do
Speaker 1: amazing things, but at that time they would tell you like,
Speaker 1: just capitalized, maximized, because this is gonna be short lived.
Speaker 1: They'll be they'll this is it, They'll be on to
Speaker 1: the next one. And I the entire time I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like this being put in a box mentality. I don't
Speaker 1: like this, Like how can I continue to prove that
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be put in a box? So
Speaker 1: I was always like plotting my next move so that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be put in this box. And now I'm
Speaker 1: out the box in so many ways. And I just
Speaker 1: want that to be an inspiration to people who are
Speaker 1: stuck in jobs where they feel like, is this it is,
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be it for the rest you know,
Speaker 1: of my life. Come on, Because the truth, that is
Speaker 1: the absolute truth, which is that when other people have
Speaker 1: put you in a box, or you're in a situation
Speaker 1: in which you can't see yourself your way out because
Speaker 1: it looks like that's the only opportunity. Maybe you achieve
Speaker 1: the thing that you dreamt of achieving, But now what's next?
Speaker 1: What happens? Can you please just give us a little
Speaker 1: bit of that, Like what makes you so bold? What
Speaker 1: was it that made you feel like you could move
Speaker 1: to the next thing? Well, one thing about me, since
Speaker 1: I was a child, I never wanted to ever depend
Speaker 1: on anyone and never wanted to be in a situation
Speaker 1: where I was depending on someone. So I always wanted
Speaker 1: to find ways to get it myself, to be independent
Speaker 1: and not feel like I had to rely on someone.
Speaker 1: And as women speaking to my women out there, so
Speaker 1: many of us are feel like we have to be
Speaker 1: dependent or without another person, we can't get out of
Speaker 1: certain situations or we can't succeed. And I'm here to
Speaker 1: tell you that that's that's absolutely not true. You have
Speaker 1: everything you need inside of you. And I kept telling myself,
Speaker 1: you can do this, you can do this. I had
Speaker 1: to be my own cheerleader because along the way of
Speaker 1: any journey, so many people are going to tell you
Speaker 1: why it's not gonna work, you know, just be happy
Speaker 1: you where you're at. You you started from nothing, you
Speaker 1: have a little something. You should be good. Why are
Speaker 1: you even trying to get anything else? Like you're doing
Speaker 1: too much. You know, you're always gonna hear that. So
Speaker 1: I had to believe, you know, and myself and push myself.
Speaker 1: And it all came from a place of not wanting
Speaker 1: to be dependent, dependent on anyone, wanting to be independent
Speaker 1: and be able to provide for myself and my family.
Speaker 1: And that that just kind of pushed me. And I
Speaker 1: always said, you know, whenever something to me starts feeling
Speaker 1: like a job, then I know it's time to go.
Speaker 1: Whenever it starts feeling like a job and you're regretting going,
Speaker 1: I mean we all have bad days when when you're
Speaker 1: regretting going there every day, or you're just in this
Speaker 1: like hamster wheel of like the same thing every single day,
Speaker 1: and when that starts wearing on your spirit, that's when
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, it's time to go. And
Speaker 1: I know you also are a person who doesn't get
Speaker 1: put in a box, and that's something I admire about you.
Speaker 1: Like once you make a certain move, we think we
Speaker 1: got you figured out that you make it another move
Speaker 1: like you you do what you need to do, but
Speaker 1: it's all moves to just continue, you know, finding your
Speaker 1: passion and your your purpose and it's like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: checked that box off, I did what I had to
Speaker 1: do there. Now I'm going to this next thing. And
Speaker 1: I have a very similar personality in that sense. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like you still have to prove yourself? Do you?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you still have to do that one?
Speaker 1: More than people with people would ever know. Especially I
Speaker 1: find the most in my acting because as many years
Speaker 1: as in spenses I haven't been on MTV, there's still
Speaker 1: a large group of people where I'm oh, that's a
Speaker 1: la la from MTV. Sometimes it's hard to shake that
Speaker 1: from MTV, and I'm proud of it. I'm not ashamed
Speaker 1: of it. I don't want to shake it, but I
Speaker 1: want to come in and be seen as myself and
Speaker 1: the character like, oh, she's just a VJ that wants
Speaker 1: to act, and there's a stigma around that. So I
Speaker 1: always feel like when it comes to my acting, I
Speaker 1: have to work extra hard to prove that I can
Speaker 1: do it. But then getting on the series like Power
Speaker 1: for six seasons and the all the success Power had
Speaker 1: and being a main character on there had really molded
Speaker 1: me and started finally seeing it. And then after Power,
Speaker 1: getting a call from lead Away, who I love and
Speaker 1: the Shy. Yeah, and she's like, she's like coming audition.
Speaker 1: I want to see what you could do. I watched Power,
Speaker 1: I liked it, but I want to see if you
Speaker 1: can handle this and to work really hard with my
Speaker 1: acting coach and grind it out and have to go
Speaker 1: prove myself. I mean, even at this stage, nobody's just
Speaker 1: giving you handouts because you're a friend or you're a
Speaker 1: cool person. You still have to earn it. And I
Speaker 1: always say, you know, we asked for these opportunities, but
Speaker 1: you have to be ready when you're presented with the opportunities, like,
Speaker 1: oh I want to get this, I want to get that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so when that moment comes, then what because a lot
Speaker 1: of times these opportunities are only gonna come one time
Speaker 1: and you have to be be prepared. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was prepared for the opportunity. And now I'm
Speaker 1: on The Shy season three, which has been amazing, but
Speaker 1: still working constantly on the phone or zooming or in
Speaker 1: class with my acting like it's a never ending process.
Speaker 1: You don't get to a point and just like Okay,
Speaker 1: I made it and I stopped stop working. It doesn't
Speaker 1: work like that. It's it's constant. It's constant work these
Speaker 1: gems right here, Okay, because seriously, the whole thought, you know,
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this around the constant
Speaker 1: having to prove yourself even you have the damn receipts, okay,
Speaker 1: to prove that you've already done it, that you can
Speaker 1: do it, you can do it better than rest um.
Speaker 1: Having to constantly prove yourself can be really frustrating. Can
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about where you find the
Speaker 1: inspiration to keep doing it? Like why are you not mad? Like?
Speaker 1: Why are you not mad about having to prove yourself?
Speaker 1: You and I have talked so much about the fact
Speaker 1: that like, oh well, why why is the incoming not
Speaker 1: coming the way that it should be? Right? Why don't
Speaker 1: you have to keep going out ask for the opportunities?
Speaker 1: Why are you not mad about that? Well? Well, one,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad because I'm so grateful to where I
Speaker 1: am in my life, Like my mom was born in
Speaker 1: the Marcy projects. That's been Brooklyn like the life I
Speaker 1: live now and the opportunities I've been presented and just
Speaker 1: things I've done are beyond my wildest dreams. So if
Speaker 1: it was all to stop today, I've done more than
Speaker 1: I could have ever dreamed of. I've been able to
Speaker 1: provide for my family and provide for myself and my son,
Speaker 1: and I'm so honored for that. So there's nothing to
Speaker 1: be mad about. I'm I'm happy that I've been blessed
Speaker 1: with these opportunities, and getting mad it's not gonna get
Speaker 1: me to the next level. It never had. What's gonna
Speaker 1: get me to the next level is preparation and being ready.
Speaker 1: So when the call comes, I'm ready for it and
Speaker 1: also to be able. I don't do it for other people,
Speaker 1: but there is still something great when so many people
Speaker 1: tell you you can't do something and then you do it.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to say anything, you just you
Speaker 1: just know what it is, and they know what it is.
Speaker 1: When they see that deadline announcement or something. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember when you said, but only you and I
Speaker 1: know that when that happened. But it's all good, Like
Speaker 1: it's so satisfaction. Now, I don't care if people say
Speaker 1: it's not it's so satisfaction. Yeah, So I don't do
Speaker 1: it for them. I do it for me. But I'm
Speaker 1: so so humble and grateful and I'm I'm super believing
Speaker 1: all my blessings coming from God, and I have so
Speaker 1: much faith that being mad. No, I don't know how
Speaker 1: how how I would explain that. I think I would
Speaker 1: be too scared that God would be like, what's going
Speaker 1: on over there? And I don't want to play. I
Speaker 1: don't want to play those games. I'm like, Wenlay, you
Speaker 1: can playing with God exactly. Attitude of gratitude exactly. Grad No,
Speaker 1: but that's so real. That is so real because I
Speaker 1: find that, um, even for myself, like yes, having to
Speaker 1: remind myself that even when people doubt you as they do,
Speaker 1: or when they ask you for the receipts and you're like,
Speaker 1: which one because I have a hundred thousand receipts, I'm
Speaker 1: not for sure which one you want to see right now? UM,
Speaker 1: to remember that this, this moment is so much greater
Speaker 1: than any that myself or that anyone I know has achieved.
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's it's wild, it's wild. My mom
Speaker 1: my mom is so supportive, but even on the radio,
Speaker 1: she was like, I mean, is that like a real
Speaker 1: job or people like the people going? Is it like?
Speaker 1: I was like, myn it is. And then when I
Speaker 1: got the l A job, I had never been to
Speaker 1: l A before. I mean, I didn't live a life
Speaker 1: where I was traveling in l A in places like that.
Speaker 1: So when I got off the plane as a teenager
Speaker 1: to take the job in l A, that's my first
Speaker 1: time ever in l A. I was there by myself.
Speaker 1: My mom took the first flight with me, and I
Speaker 1: just got dropped off in a place didn't know anyone,
Speaker 1: by myself. But it's a testament to just being determined
Speaker 1: and really wanting it. And for me, I wanted to
Speaker 1: provide a better life for myself and my family and
Speaker 1: still do so that's kind of what just keeps me going.
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Speaker 1: I'm flying solo on this podcast with my friend and
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Speaker 1: First of all, I can't even believe we've been We've
Speaker 1: been in lockdown for how long has it been? Like
Speaker 1: it's four months for who would have ever thought ever
Speaker 1: in a million years, and we're not even done yet.
Speaker 1: That's we're not even done. And the problem is people
Speaker 1: are loosening it up, and it's just it's it's and
Speaker 1: I get it, like I understand it's so hard to
Speaker 1: be contained for that long. You just want to get out,
Speaker 1: but we just still have to continue to be safe
Speaker 1: and practice social distancing and wearing masks because we want
Speaker 1: to get this thing under control once and for all.
Speaker 1: So when we're out, we could really be out instead
Speaker 1: of like these little spurts of like okay, I'm out
Speaker 1: of out and then you get shut down completely against
Speaker 1: because so many states are going now back into phase one.
Speaker 1: So you know, we want to get past that and
Speaker 1: move forward. Yes, So let's talk about also personally, like
Speaker 1: what that has been like for you, um, you know,
Speaker 1: beyond being grounded, you know, like having to just sit
Speaker 1: down in one place, which has just been very odd
Speaker 1: for me, and I'm sure it's been odd for you
Speaker 1: because we're constantly moving and most of the time when
Speaker 1: I text you, my first thing is where are you at? Girl?
Speaker 1: Because because I don't know where you are and we
Speaker 1: don't write, but we don't know where we are, so
Speaker 1: that's always the first question. But I think also just
Speaker 1: personally speaking, you know, having to sort of change literally
Speaker 1: where I am, you know, and being in the situation of, um,
Speaker 1: having to take care of my daughter in a way
Speaker 1: that I probably haven't before, which you know, has its
Speaker 1: own lessons right right the school stuff, and I think
Speaker 1: just even just being present all the time, which changes
Speaker 1: a relationship. How has that been like for you, like
Speaker 1: personally in your life? Like, how how has that been
Speaker 1: for for you? As La La the mom, the woman
Speaker 1: in being in quarantine? Um, you know, the mom part
Speaker 1: was tough because I always say, you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about how this is affecting us, and a lot of
Speaker 1: times as parents, we don't check in with our kids
Speaker 1: and we don't realize that look at the change it
Speaker 1: is for them. So it's like, no, do your work,
Speaker 1: get in front of this computer, it's like this is
Speaker 1: all new for them. So I really tried to be
Speaker 1: as patient as I could with my son because I
Speaker 1: knew it was a new world for him, this online
Speaker 1: class and stuff. I love the fact that we've spent
Speaker 1: so much time together, only have one child, you know,
Speaker 1: like you and we really just had our bonds always
Speaker 1: been incredible, but it's even you know, tighter now. And
Speaker 1: just to really get into his mind and what he likes,
Speaker 1: and to be able to watch documentaries and read books together,
Speaker 1: to watch and play Fortnite some nights, you know whatever
Speaker 1: whatever we were doing that damn Fortnite on dropping crazy
Speaker 1: but yea Fortnite. But you know, just to be a
Speaker 1: part of his world was incredible for me. You know,
Speaker 1: I found myself you know, reading a lot more. I
Speaker 1: found myself doing a lot more self reflection. I found
Speaker 1: myself really getting in touch with where I was at
Speaker 1: mentally and personally, because when you are as busy as
Speaker 1: we both are, you just go, go, go, go go,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't even know how you're feeling because
Speaker 1: you just go go go. You lot you feel to
Speaker 1: that I'm good, yeah, all right later, everything's good, like
Speaker 1: you're just going but you never really sit down and
Speaker 1: just stop and get in tune with yourself. So I
Speaker 1: was able to do that and and learn so many
Speaker 1: things about myself. And then from a work perspective, I mean,
Speaker 1: although things are shut down, I haven't done. If I
Speaker 1: if I never do an another live zoom that I'll
Speaker 1: be good. It's every day. It's like zoom zoomzoom, live,
Speaker 1: live live. I loved it at first. I was all
Speaker 1: about this zoom. Now I'm like a right, one more zoom,
Speaker 1: one more live, one more this um. That's been that's
Speaker 1: been the funny part. But I also think we're connecting
Speaker 1: with people in a way we never would. People have
Speaker 1: more time now. I've sold a lot of shows through
Speaker 1: my production company because people are listening more, they're more patient,
Speaker 1: they're sitting down there really hearing you out where you
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of that before. It was just
Speaker 1: this go go go world. So that part's been really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's for sure. I mean, listen, I didn't do
Speaker 1: my first live until like this moment. But I've never
Speaker 1: I've never done never. I think I did one or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I did one. Maybe I'm lying.
Speaker 1: Maybe I did one, but not enough for me to remember,
Speaker 1: you know. And of course it's like I think I
Speaker 1: remember when it it started to pick up and I
Speaker 1: would see the live across my you know, the top
Speaker 1: of your Instagram and seeing so many and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? Everybody was good, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're still doing it. You're in so you're right. I
Speaker 1: think at first was very exciting, and now I'm just like, okay, girl,
Speaker 1: now I know all the tricks. It's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta comes on, because you know that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: first that's gonna be the first shot. I know all
Speaker 1: the tricks. I know all the tricks on my zoom.
Speaker 1: I got a great background background photo and everything. I
Speaker 1: had figured out how to change the backgrounds depending on
Speaker 1: what I'm talking to. Damn about that one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta see what I'm saying. I should have I should
Speaker 1: have had that going because I'm not I'm not in
Speaker 1: my usual location, and so this is all when you're
Speaker 1: not in your usual location either. So we're all we're
Speaker 1: all like we're doing okay. So now on top of COVID,
Speaker 1: now we got to deal with racial unrest, which is
Speaker 1: nothing new to us because obviously we've dealt with it
Speaker 1: all whole lives. Um. Which, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: perhaps even in your career and in you know, the
Speaker 1: ways in which you've been able to tell your own story,
Speaker 1: I'm sure has underlying messages in that too. You know
Speaker 1: that you face your own bias and challenges, especially within
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. Um. But speaking of our kids, like,
Speaker 1: how have you talked to Kayene about all that is happening?
Speaker 1: What has been his response? How are you dealing with it?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because I think it's different
Speaker 1: when you are experiencing yourself then when you have to
Speaker 1: explain it to your kid. That's a that's a very
Speaker 1: very very different situation, very different happened with you. The
Speaker 1: good thing with Kayane is this is a conversation we've
Speaker 1: been having with him. Obviously, now in the current climate
Speaker 1: of everything, it's been magnified. But we have a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old black son and we live in New York City.
Speaker 1: My son walks around with the hoodie. My son walks
Speaker 1: around New York. He plays basketball, he's in gyms, he's
Speaker 1: on the courts outside. So we tell him like this,
Speaker 1: at any moment could be you. You have to understand
Speaker 1: what's going on and you can't be oh, that's not me,
Speaker 1: or you're in a video game. Are you dribbling a
Speaker 1: basketball and you're not even aware of what's going on
Speaker 1: behind you. So we made him watch certain things and
Speaker 1: watch certain news programs that we trusted and respected to
Speaker 1: give the right message and talk to him about dealing
Speaker 1: with the police. We have some police in our families
Speaker 1: and had really candid conversations about what that's like and
Speaker 1: what's the right protocol when you get stopped and pulled over,
Speaker 1: And it's really unfortunate that these are the conversations we
Speaker 1: have to have with our kids. But it's the reality
Speaker 1: of where it's at, where you literally have to run
Speaker 1: drills with your kid, like, Okay, if I'm a cop,
Speaker 1: what do you do now? What do you say? Where
Speaker 1: do you put your hands? And my son is thirteen
Speaker 1: years old and he's big for thirteen, like he doesn't
Speaker 1: look like a little kid. So it's um, it's important
Speaker 1: and it's sad, but also to see the way we've
Speaker 1: come together is inspiring, and you know, our voices are
Speaker 1: so powerful and for me personally, when I'm hearing about
Speaker 1: all this stuff, I go right into like, all right,
Speaker 1: what can I do? I'm not doing enough. I gotta
Speaker 1: be doing something. I got I gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1: So I've just had the pleasure and honor to get
Speaker 1: to know, you know, Brianna Taylor's mom, to be on
Speaker 1: on Zooms with Ahmad Aubrey's mom, Eric Carner's mom, and
Speaker 1: talk to these moms and just talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: what I could do personally to help amplify their voices
Speaker 1: and calls to actions and what's needed. And Alicia Keys
Speaker 1: has been so amazing in calling me and making sure
Speaker 1: I'm looped into the zooms and the calls and different
Speaker 1: calls to action. So from that standpoint, I feel inspired
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm using my platform for the
Speaker 1: right thing. But you always feel like you should be
Speaker 1: doing more. What what more can I do? And you know,
Speaker 1: it's tricky because you know, if you talk about what
Speaker 1: you're doing, then it's like, why are you talking about
Speaker 1: it not just doing it? If you don't talk about
Speaker 1: a thing, you're not doing anything. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta find that happy medium. But it's not as
Speaker 1: much about that as it is about just using your
Speaker 1: platform and really making a difference. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I've I've really been doing that, so I feel good
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Speaker 1: Katie and Bows and I'm talking to my friend La
Speaker 1: La Anthony and we're about to dive into this black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter moment because just this month July, la las
Speaker 1: thirteen year old son Kayane is on the cover of
Speaker 1: Slam magazine with his dad and be all star Carmelo
Speaker 1: Anthony father son, silhouetted in black, both wearing hoodies, staring
Speaker 1: straight into the camera, and it is path We're full, Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's pick back up with La La right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you, like the hot tears that
Speaker 1: poured down my face when I saw the cover the Slam,
Speaker 1: I could listen. I can't even really talk about it.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you the question, but I could barely.
Speaker 1: I could barely get it out because oh man, with them,
Speaker 1: like seeing them and in their hoodies. Yeah, girl, I see.
Speaker 1: I can't even It's like it's like it's it's too much.
Speaker 1: I can't even look at you because it's it's too much. Um.
Speaker 1: Because I was just so struck, so struck by it. Um.
Speaker 1: It was so powerful, and it was such a reminder
Speaker 1: because I, you know, I I obviously have a daughter,
Speaker 1: um and although I have the conversations with her as well,
Speaker 1: because we know black women are not immune from the
Speaker 1: disasters that we see out here. Um, but seeing him,
Speaker 1: you know, that's my little nephew. I wait a minute.
Speaker 1: They were talking about, you know, like he has to
Speaker 1: be on this cover, he has to think about this,
Speaker 1: you know, his dad like has to talk to him
Speaker 1: about these things like, oh my god. And then you
Speaker 1: as your as his mom, you know, with both of them,
Speaker 1: because like, who wants to think about the dad and
Speaker 1: the son leaving the house. Nobody, nobody wants to think
Speaker 1: about that, you know what I mean? And feeling fear
Speaker 1: over that. So how how do you manage that, like
Speaker 1: even as yourself, like for for both of them, Like,
Speaker 1: what did you even think when you saw the cover?
Speaker 1: Did you see the cover before the cover at the house?
Speaker 1: So I was there while it was being shot, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure Cayenne recognize how powerful
Speaker 1: that was and what it really meant. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: all on the cover of SLAM. Let me go tell
Speaker 1: all my friends, I'm on the cover of SLAM, and
Speaker 1: I'm representing Black Lives Matter. I'm representing kids who have
Speaker 1: been killed senselessly to to gun violence and police brutality
Speaker 1: that look just like me, that walk, just how I walked,
Speaker 1: that talk just like I talked. I wanted him to
Speaker 1: understand how powerful that was. And that whole entire issue,
Speaker 1: which is out now, just deals with you know, sports
Speaker 1: stories involving racism, sports stories that have been ignored because
Speaker 1: they've involved injustices or you know, police brutality, just stories
Speaker 1: that we needed to hear. And Mello was the guest
Speaker 1: editor of that issue, which I was super proud of
Speaker 1: that and that's so iconic. I Mean, my hope is
Speaker 1: that one day Cayen has his own kids and can
Speaker 1: look back on that cover and say, hey, look when
Speaker 1: I was on the cover of you know, Slam magazine.
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible, but it was for a greater purpose,
Speaker 1: which is to continue to amplify voices and the message
Speaker 1: and make sure people aren't forgotten about. Like we said,
Speaker 1: some of the hashtags might be dying down, some of
Speaker 1: the protests might be dying down, but there's still so
Speaker 1: much work to do. And you don't stop just because
Speaker 1: hashtag isn't trending any war, right right, right, right. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing is that because you know, hashtags don't
Speaker 1: live forever, um, but we know that the pain of
Speaker 1: mothers do live forever for mothers who have lost their children. UM.
Speaker 1: And like you said, you've been in contact with Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor's mother and a Mod Aubrey's mother and working with
Speaker 1: Alicia Keys on so many of these communication platforms and
Speaker 1: using your own platform to do it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think most of us right are so struck by these stories.
Speaker 1: And we see their faces and we see the press conferences,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just so terrible. You feel it in
Speaker 1: your spirit and your gut. You feel ill, you know,
Speaker 1: having to think about what they've lost. But what is
Speaker 1: it that you've learned from from these mothers, these women
Speaker 1: um that you've had, you know, the privilege of being
Speaker 1: in touch with unfortunately for such a sad and terrible
Speaker 1: evil moment in time. Well, I learned that you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing in this world that can match a mother's love,
Speaker 1: and you know that is just such a powerful thing.
Speaker 1: And I learned what being strong really means. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all have problems and issues and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: why me or why am I going through this? You
Speaker 1: have to look at what these women are going through
Speaker 1: that bury their children too, police brutality to gun violence
Speaker 1: to injustice, and how they're still able to hold their
Speaker 1: head high and say, I'm gonna do this for my son.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this for my daughter. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: justice for my son. I'm gonna get laws change. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna fight or rest until it happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so powerful and it just makes you feel like
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be right there with them, you
Speaker 1: gotta do whatever it takes to get whatever they need
Speaker 1: done done, and you just want to take care of them.
Speaker 1: So I learned what strength really is and learn what
Speaker 1: power really is. And I learned also how much we
Speaker 1: can do when we band together and help each other,
Speaker 1: whether it's as women, or whether it's as black people,
Speaker 1: whether it's as a community. Like, our power is so strong,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times we don't recognize that. Our
Speaker 1: power when it comes to our spending dollar, our power
Speaker 1: when it comes to fashion, our power when it comes
Speaker 1: to anything is so strong. But a lot of times
Speaker 1: we've been made to believe that, you know, just be quiet,
Speaker 1: I don't say too much to stamulate, don't ruffle any feathers.
Speaker 1: And now people are like, no, we're ruffling feathers, and
Speaker 1: we're calling people out, you know, for their bullshit. We
Speaker 1: were bringing people to the table, and it's been amazing
Speaker 1: to see because it's been a learning experience for everybody,
Speaker 1: Like we all need to learn something during this time
Speaker 1: and continue to educate ourselves and our and our children. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And you know what I think that's the that's the
Speaker 1: most amazing thing to me, is of course about the future,
Speaker 1: you know, and what what we're learning about, not just
Speaker 1: you know, the frustration of the past. Because even as
Speaker 1: I think about racial unrest, I'm like, listen, I remember
Speaker 1: when Rodney King, you know, was beaten and attacked and
Speaker 1: the riots that happened then in l A and all
Speaker 1: the other incidents since that have been publicly known. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's so many that are not publicly known. Um, but
Speaker 1: also not losing the sense of optimism, you know, because
Speaker 1: we do want a better world for our children, and
Speaker 1: we see a better future even for ourselves. Like I
Speaker 1: don't even just push it on our kids, like I
Speaker 1: want to see a better future from me, Like I
Speaker 1: need this change that happens then later, because its been
Speaker 1: long enough. It's been long enough, okay, Because like I
Speaker 1: was saying, like even for yourself, Like you know, you've
Speaker 1: you've been in this business, in this entertainment and media
Speaker 1: business a long time, and we know what that is
Speaker 1: like and what racism looks like in that industry. What
Speaker 1: gives you hope you know, for the future, even for yourself,
Speaker 1: like short term you know, are mean definitely when I
Speaker 1: see just our children are young people using their voices.
Speaker 1: When I see us banning together and looking at the
Speaker 1: protests and can yet everyone focused on this change and
Speaker 1: just how powerful we are when we come together, that
Speaker 1: gives me hope, That makes me confident for the future
Speaker 1: and us finally recognizing and realizing our power. We don't
Speaker 1: have to stay quiet. We're not gonna be forced to
Speaker 1: stay quiet. We're not gonna stay quiet anymore. And watching
Speaker 1: what happens when we actually do speak up and say
Speaker 1: you know what, no, I'm not gonna take this anymore.
Speaker 1: This is wrong. And just seeing the power in numbers
Speaker 1: is an amazing, beautiful thing. So that gives me hope
Speaker 1: for our future. And seeing you know, the younger generation
Speaker 1: just doing their part to say, you know, we're not
Speaker 1: we're not going to stand for this anymore. We want
Speaker 1: to grow up in a different world. That's what definitely
Speaker 1: gives me hope. Yeah, yeah, And I mean because you're
Speaker 1: a storyteller, you know, someone who has used her own voice,
Speaker 1: like we were saying, since you were a kid, really right, um,
Speaker 1: and have evolved your voice through the years and obviously
Speaker 1: producing even what is there your thought about storytelling for
Speaker 1: the future. You know, even that you continue to explore
Speaker 1: your own storytelling of course, so to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I want storytelling to be about what we want our
Speaker 1: people to consume. Let's tell our stories, Let's talk about
Speaker 1: what we go through that only we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to understand. Let's talk about the things that matter to us,
Speaker 1: which is why I love you know, even a show
Speaker 1: like The Shy dealing with growing up in Chicago and
Speaker 1: everything that's happened on The Shy. Now, we shot The
Speaker 1: Shy before all of this stuff kind of just hit
Speaker 1: the way it did, and it's like Lena wrote the
Speaker 1: shot yesterday just looking at everything's going on, because this
Speaker 1: has been going on, it didn't just start. So it
Speaker 1: shows that reflect what's happening out there and people can
Speaker 1: watch and go, that's me. I went through that. I
Speaker 1: can understand that shows for Black women that show us
Speaker 1: being powerful, being bosses, you know, being independent, you know,
Speaker 1: being great moms, workers, wives, lovers, whatever it is, shows
Speaker 1: that you know uplift us and show us in a
Speaker 1: different light. That's what I want to be a part
Speaker 1: of that type of story storytelling, like stories that matter
Speaker 1: to us. And I want to be able to look
Speaker 1: at shows, whether it's The Shy, Power Insecure, I mean
Speaker 1: so many and say, you know that's me, that looks
Speaker 1: like me, that that's a representation of who I am.
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing, there's no greater feeling than that. Yeah. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm so, I really am. I'm so proud of you,
Speaker 1: I really am. With all of the elation and your characters. Um,
Speaker 1: you have played some very iconic characters. Thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you and all the memes that have been created over
Speaker 1: and everybody else. You know what I'm saying, like they're
Speaker 1: going in that's that, that's what is that? What is funny? Listen?
Speaker 1: That got us all? Okay, Yeah, I know. I think
Speaker 1: I might have texted you that day as well. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I did. I think I think
Speaker 1: you can give me a heads up like that. I
Speaker 1: think you did. You did, I think you did. I
Speaker 1: think you did. I think you did. I think you did.
Speaker 1: But like fifty always told me, if you got to
Speaker 1: go out, you want to go out, remember ball, you
Speaker 1: want to go out where people are talking about it,
Speaker 1: which I did. Because the show ended, it could have
Speaker 1: just been like, oh, well, you know what happened to Lukisha,
Speaker 1: But now it was a moment and I used that
Speaker 1: momentum to take me into, you know, my next thing
Speaker 1: with the Shy and to go from working with Courtney Kemp,
Speaker 1: who was a mentor and one of my closest friends
Speaker 1: are just an amazing human being and writer. And then
Speaker 1: to leave that and go rock with Lena and the
Speaker 1: crew over there. I mean, I'm blessed. Man. I'm just
Speaker 1: so so grateful for attitude of gratitude, that gratitude because listen,
Speaker 1: you keep evolving and that I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: great message in this moment, you know, of especially all
Speaker 1: of this chaos and feeling and quite lost in sort
Speaker 1: of a drift because we don't know when things are
Speaker 1: gonna end. We don't know what to do. Some people
Speaker 1: are waiting for things to get back to normal, you know,
Speaker 1: before moving on or getting back to what they always did.
Speaker 1: But perhaps it's like using the time to reinvent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's that's a great thing. Reinvent
Speaker 1: yourself in business, reinvent yourself in your your personal life.
Speaker 1: Just reinvent how you feel about yourself. Constantly do mental
Speaker 1: health checks on yourself. And like I say, it's okay
Speaker 1: to not have it all together all the time. Everybody
Speaker 1: is struggling during this time. It's hard for all of us.
Speaker 1: And if you feel yourself getting to that point or unraveling,
Speaker 1: not being afraid to call a friend or call someone
Speaker 1: for some help, because this is a lot for everybody.
Speaker 1: You're not meant to have it all together every single day,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. You're gonna have your ups
Speaker 1: and downs and you have to be okay with that.
Speaker 1: It don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah, no, that's true.
Speaker 1: How are you keeping your your mental health? Like? What
Speaker 1: are you doing for I think selfcare is such a buzzword,
Speaker 1: and that's not really what I'm asking, but it's it's like,
Speaker 1: how are you keeping yourself feeling good and motivated? And
Speaker 1: you know, I have, Uh, I have people that I
Speaker 1: go to when I'm feeling down. I talked to Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's me saying a prayer, sometimes reading a book. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's meditation, um, whatever. It is, like you have to
Speaker 1: find what that thing is. Talking to a therapist, which
Speaker 1: is something that you know has been super helpful and
Speaker 1: you know for a long time, especially with us, it's
Speaker 1: like therapy, Like what is therapy? Like I remember my
Speaker 1: mom saying, you know, people would say, you know, only
Speaker 1: crazy people go to therapy. I'm like, well, the crazy
Speaker 1: people seem to have got it figured out because we
Speaker 1: should have been going to therapy and it's so helpful
Speaker 1: and you can't be ashamed of it. So whatever you
Speaker 1: have to do. But you know, it's just about constantly
Speaker 1: checking in with yourself and understanding that you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to have it all together all the time. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be good days, it's gonna be the bad days. That's
Speaker 1: part of living, that's part of the process. But just
Speaker 1: recognizing on those bad days what's causing it to be
Speaker 1: a bad day, and how do you get yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: out of that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if there's
Speaker 1: one thing that I learned from you, girl, that regardless
Speaker 1: of the situation, be it personal, professional, whatever, you find
Speaker 1: a way to rise up out of it. And I
Speaker 1: thank you, like I said it, seeingly proud of you,
Speaker 1: um and very very grateful for your time. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you had a great shot. I can't wait till
Speaker 1: this is over so I can actually hug you, because
Speaker 1: this social I don't like this. I want to give
Speaker 1: you a hug. I want to hug like hell, I
Speaker 1: just want to see how you guys are doing. But
Speaker 1: I love you and I'm so proud of everything you're doing.
Speaker 1: And you know, we talk all the time, so we'll
Speaker 1: talk to exactly. I'll call you later. All right. I
Speaker 1: could keep talking to La La forever. But that's it
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