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You're listening to Back to Biz with 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.520 Katie and Bows, except there is no Katie this week 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.920 because she is on excessive book deadline. And so I 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.279 am flying solo. Um, I'm terrified. I'm very very scared 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.440 to fly solo. But it's okay. You know why it's 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:45.760 okay because I have my very good girlfriend who is 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:50.800 an incredible person um, not just an entertainer and not 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.600 just a creator, but an all around incredible woman who 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.800 is joining me today La La Anthony, and I'm so 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.480 I'm so happy to be here. You're gonna be fine 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.320 riding solo tonight. I got your back. Don't worry about that. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.320 You are great and everything you do. I appreciate you 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.240 so much. I do you. You've really you've done it all. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:17.720 You've done it all, and you inspire me because there 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.960 are so many facets of not just your personality, but 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:26.080 you're ingenuity, your innovation, the way that you transform yourself 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.920 that I think so many people could learn from. You know, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.880 we were in this time in which so many people 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.079 are trying to figure out what they're gonna do right. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.800 It feels like a moment where we're all trying to 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.280 re energize and trying to figure out how to create 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.720 in this time when there is so much chaos happening, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.000 you know, and trying to reinvent, and you, my dear, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.720 are the queen of reinvention. But can we also just 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.200 talk about how we first met, because I feel like 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.880 you're my bestie and I think I think I'm one 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.960 of them, Yes exactly. I'm just saying that, yes, one 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.160 of them, because otherwise other people get mad, that's right, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.000 and other your best seas will get mad too if 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.760 we just played each other, only because we do run 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.880 into quite a crew of impressive women. But from what 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.359 I remember, I've always known who you were. I was 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.440 always paying attention to all the amazing things that you've done. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.760 And then I remember us meeting at the b E 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.519 t Hert Awards. Yes, I said, my cousin was with me, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.880 and I was like, you gotta go say how to her? 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.880 And then like bring me over there and introduced me. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.880 But like, don't make it obvious. I want to meet her, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.800 but I don't want to look too thirsty. So can 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.680 you act like you want to meet her? And then 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.280 like we we I don't even know if you know 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.920 that story, but we playing out and then when it 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.560 went in for the kill, and then I came by 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.360 and we met, and I don't know, it's like it 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.320 was like we've known each other our whole lives and 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.200 we just did it all from there. No, seriously, because 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.600 of feeling the feeling that I had and said, I've 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.800 always seen you, you know, I've always seen you either 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.960 on TV or I've seen you at different industry events 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.240 or whatnot, and so I knew of you, and I 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.000 know you were sweet, like you're always very kind, you know, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.840 whenever we passed each other and whatever event, um always 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.560 really really nice. But then yes, when your cousin came 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.960 up to me, I was like, oh, yes, here's my information. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.920 I think I had for every piece of contact information. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.799 I was like, here's my cell phone, here's my second 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.359 cell phone number, there's my email address, and also my 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.800 daughter's birthday. I was like, whatever, whatever she needs, like 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.360 have a contact with But I just just love you, glad, grateful. Yes, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.640 we've had an amazing friendship. And it's always important to 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.560 surround yourself with people that inspire you and people that 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.640 push you and motivate you to do more and and 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.479 just fulfill your purpose and your passion. So you're definitely 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.400 one of those people in my life and I really 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.440 appreciate that. Well, thank you, honey. I mean the truth 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.520 of the matter, though, is that you too, you're not 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:58.720 new to this, okay, like you you've been at this, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:05.279 at this aim of entertainment, of reinvention of storytelling, which 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.039 I find is, you know, sort of a cornerstone of 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.920 my own career in a different standpoint, because you've been, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.200 i mean on on the microphone and in front of 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.279 cameras for a long time. Can you talk about how 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.080 you first started, because it was like fifteen or sixteen 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.200 years old right in Atlanta. Yeah, so I started. I 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.239 wasn't intern at sixteen years old at the radio station 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.200 in Atlanta. It was the same radio station that Ludacris 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.320 worked at, but at that time he went under the 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.680 name Chris Love a Lover. So he was there and 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.120 he had been in the game radio game longer than me. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.839 He's older than me, so he had been there a 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.200 few years. And then I came up and I had 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.320 just moved to Atlanta from New York. I'm from New 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.120 York and my mom wanted to get out of New 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.800 York and go to Atlanta. So we went there and 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.880 I started interning, and I was just like, you know, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:57.880 I'm gonna bust my behind to get recognized and show 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.560 everyone here that I'm a hard worker what I could do. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.200 And they're like, but how old are you? And I 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.600 started lying saying that I was eighteen, because to get 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.320 the internship you had to be eighteen. So I was like, oh, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.760 I'm eighteen, but I was only sixty years old. And 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.640 I got the internship and the rest was kind of history. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.640 I started on the radio with Ludicrous and then from 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.480 there I transitioned to radio in l A. And then 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.920 I became an MTV VJ and then a producer, actor, host, entrepreneur, 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.839 all of those things. But definitely it started in a 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.200 radio and that's my first love. And I know that 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.200 my career, you know, took off because of my love 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.839 of music, and it took me to all these different 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.279 amazing places. So okay, so but we gotta pause though, 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.080 because I mean, you just ran through like seventeen careers, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.279 you know what I'm saying. Like other people are like, yes, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.280 I want to be on the radio, and then they 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.120 maybe they get there, maybe they get there. And then 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.360 they stay there, you know. But you were like, Yes, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.240 I'm gonna be on the radio and I'm gonna be 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.720 a VJ, and I'm gonna be an act person, I'm 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.960 gonna be an entrepreneur. I mean, my god, Okay, so 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.800 let's let's let's start from the transition from being on 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.880 the radio to being a VJ. How did that happen 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.000 and why did you want to do it and why 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.000 do you think you succeeded at it? Well, for one, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.440 you know, starting on the radio was an amazing platform, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.240 but then people would always say kind of what you said. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.000 You know, when you get on the radio, a lot 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.280 of people just stay on the radio, like just be happy. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.840 This is how it starts and ends for you. You're 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.800 on the radio, Like that's it. You can't She didn't 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.000 want anything more. You're on the radio. And I kept thinking, 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.560 well why not? And I was like, after radio, what 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.080 feels like the natural next step? And I was like, well, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.640 TV to me, feels like the next step after radio. 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.440 So when MTV um I was on the radio in 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.240 l A. And I became really recognized. People knew my 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.640 voice and knew who I was. So MTV called one 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.920 day They actually called the receptionist at the radio station. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.720 I remember walking into work. I was at that time 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.520 now like eighteen years old in Los Angeles, and they said, Hey, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.920 somebody from MTV call looking for you, and it was 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.480 like a sticky note with like a number on it. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.040 I'm on TV. So I called and they were like, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:03.720 we just want you to come in. We've heard a 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.160 lot about you, we just want to meet you. I 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.120 was like okay, So I came in and then they 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.880 saw me and they were like, oh, you should be 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.320 on TV, Like have you ever thought about that? And 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.200 I was like yeah, I've been wanting to do it. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.040 And then they went I went through an audition kind 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.440 of process where I had to interview people and show 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:20.880 them that I could be good on camera. But I 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.440 already had a lot of the lessons from radio, because 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.560 even though you don't see someone's face a lot of times, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.360 in radio, it's the same concept. You're interviewing people, you're 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.000 being personable. So I brought all of that to my 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.440 audition and then they said, hey, do you want to 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.640 move back to New York where I'm from and start 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.640 hosting one of our MTV shows? And I was like absolutely, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.160 and then I moved to New York and started doing that, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.160 and then ultimately during MTV, I was switched over to 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.840 become one of the premier host of TRL, which at 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:52.200 that time was the biggest the biggest show on television. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:53.920 Still is like, when I go back and think of 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.560 the MTV days, I'm just like, I'm in awe of it, 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.680 because when you're in a job, you're just kind of 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.320 doing a job and trying to be great at it. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.360 But it does sometimes it takes you stepping out to 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.440 look back and go we were making history, like thousands 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.200 of kids in Times Square every day, everything that was 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.760 going on, and to be at the center of that. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.360 And I also find it funny when people say, you know, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.079 I grew up watching you on MTV and and it's 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.400 a compliment, but at the same time, I'm like, guys, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.959 when I was on MTV, I was twenty years old, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.240 Like you're saying it, like like, okay, you were, and 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.240 I was twenty Like yeah, we grew up watching me, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.559 but we were the same age. So it's just kind 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.040 of funny. But MTV was such a great experience and 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.600 I made so many relationships there and it was so 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.240 great for me. And then as MTV started changing over 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.040 the years and becoming like less about music videos and 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.800 t R, I was coming to and and I was like, Okay, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.560 now it's time to make the next transition and what 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.280 would that be? That would be acting, producing, more hosting, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.440 And so I went back to l A and really 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.439 focused on pursuing my acting career, going to acting classes, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.080 working with an acting coach, really just taking it super seriously. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.319 It was always there, but like really laser focused in 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.840 on it, going on auditions, and then I started booking 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.600 like small, small stuff. In my first big I would say, 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.120 people know me from like really young I was and 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.600 you Got Served and two can Play the Game and 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.640 all these these movies when I was young. But my 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.640 real kind of big break was when I became part 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.400 of the Think Like a Man franchise and I wasn't 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.679 think like a man wanted to And after that is 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.480 where I finally saw like, wow, I could really have 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.440 a career, you know, in this thing. And that's how 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:39.680 it happened. Feel like I rambling this is history. Okay history, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.000 It's like everybody paying attention. This is history because the 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.000 truth of the matter is you were at the center 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.760 of a lot of things that started trends that we 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.800 still see today. You know, when you think about tr 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.440 row and everything that was modeled after TRL, because before 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.080 it's year around, I think I've been done like that before. No, no, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.160 you know, so then you started modeling what that looked like? 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.880 And are you serious? Yes? I watched you on t 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.000 RL okay, And the most amazing thing to me is that, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.000 of course people are gonna say, you know, they grew 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:19.079 up watching you, but that is such an incredible accolade 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:24.920 to be a somewhat mentor fall away mentor and aspiration 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:30.959 to people who are your same age. It's definitely cool. Yeah, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.920 because they're not looking at somebody who's like far far 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.120 ahead of them. They're looking at you, and they're like 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.280 they're putting themselves in your shoes and saying, well, she 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.080 can do it, I can do it. You know. That's 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:46.680 an incredible It was incredible, credible journey. And I don't 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.679 take it lightly. MTV was an amazing place. I learned 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.720 so much there, but even at the MTV level, like 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.400 I found some of the same challenges where and I 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.880 say this to my entrepreneurs and people in business and 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.400 just people that are trying to get it like it 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.120 was the same kind of thing. Okay, you're on MTV. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.640 Now this is all you're gonna do. You're only gonna 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.240 be an MTVVJ. And after MTV, nobody hears from you anymore. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.720 Nobody knows what happens to people after MTV, which a 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.320 lot of my MTV hosts have went on to do 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.000 amazing things, but at that time they would tell you like, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.959 just capitalized, maximized, because this is gonna be short lived. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.199 They'll be they'll this is it, They'll be on to 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.600 the next one. And I the entire time I was thinking, 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.040 like this being put in a box mentality. I don't 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.240 like this, Like how can I continue to prove that 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.920 I'm not going to be put in a box? So 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.160 I was always like plotting my next move so that 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.960 I wouldn't be put in this box. And now I'm 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.280 out the box in so many ways. And I just 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.520 want that to be an inspiration to people who are 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.040 stuck in jobs where they feel like, is this it is, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.000 It's just gonna be it for the rest you know, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:52.520 of my life. Come on, Because the truth, that is 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.920 the absolute truth, which is that when other people have 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.959 put you in a box, or you're in a situation 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.920 in which you can't see yourself your way out because 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.720 it looks like that's the only opportunity. Maybe you achieve 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.920 the thing that you dreamt of achieving, But now what's next? 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.920 What happens? Can you please just give us a little 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.320 bit of that, Like what makes you so bold? What 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.520 was it that made you feel like you could move 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.000 to the next thing? Well, one thing about me, since 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.640 I was a child, I never wanted to ever depend 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.520 on anyone and never wanted to be in a situation 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.720 where I was depending on someone. So I always wanted 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.600 to find ways to get it myself, to be independent 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.960 and not feel like I had to rely on someone. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.679 And as women speaking to my women out there, so 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.080 many of us are feel like we have to be 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.800 dependent or without another person, we can't get out of 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.599 certain situations or we can't succeed. And I'm here to 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.880 tell you that that's that's absolutely not true. You have 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.000 everything you need inside of you. And I kept telling myself, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.000 you can do this, you can do this. I had 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.200 to be my own cheerleader because along the way of 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.480 any journey, so many people are going to tell you 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.000 why it's not gonna work, you know, just be happy 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.520 you where you're at. You you started from nothing, you 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.480 have a little something. You should be good. Why are 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.680 you even trying to get anything else? Like you're doing 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.840 too much. You know, you're always gonna hear that. So 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.840 I had to believe, you know, and myself and push myself. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.439 And it all came from a place of not wanting 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.960 to be dependent, dependent on anyone, wanting to be independent 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.680 and be able to provide for myself and my family. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.440 And that that just kind of pushed me. And I 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.000 always said, you know, whenever something to me starts feeling 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.480 like a job, then I know it's time to go. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.880 Whenever it starts feeling like a job and you're regretting going, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.440 I mean we all have bad days when when you're 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.680 regretting going there every day, or you're just in this 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.000 like hamster wheel of like the same thing every single day, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.600 and when that starts wearing on your spirit, that's when 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.800 I'm like, you know what, it's time to go. And 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.240 I know you also are a person who doesn't get 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.000 put in a box, and that's something I admire about you. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.440 Like once you make a certain move, we think we 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.520 got you figured out that you make it another move 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.480 like you you do what you need to do, but 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.480 it's all moves to just continue, you know, finding your 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.200 passion and your your purpose and it's like, Okay, I 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:03.800 checked that box off, I did what I had to 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.880 do there. Now I'm going to this next thing. And 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.040 I have a very similar personality in that sense. Do 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.280 you feel like you still have to prove yourself? Do you? 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.960 Do you feel like you still have to do that one? 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.080 More than people with people would ever know. Especially I 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.480 find the most in my acting because as many years 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.680 as in spenses I haven't been on MTV, there's still 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.160 a large group of people where I'm oh, that's a 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.120 la la from MTV. Sometimes it's hard to shake that 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.640 from MTV, and I'm proud of it. I'm not ashamed 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.320 of it. I don't want to shake it, but I 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.320 want to come in and be seen as myself and 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.760 the character like, oh, she's just a VJ that wants 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.160 to act, and there's a stigma around that. So I 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.040 always feel like when it comes to my acting, I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.440 have to work extra hard to prove that I can 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.600 do it. But then getting on the series like Power 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.760 for six seasons and the all the success Power had 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.520 and being a main character on there had really molded 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.640 me and started finally seeing it. And then after Power, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.960 getting a call from lead Away, who I love and 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.040 the Shy. Yeah, and she's like, she's like coming audition. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.680 I want to see what you could do. I watched Power, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:12.960 I liked it, but I want to see if you 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.360 can handle this and to work really hard with my 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.320 acting coach and grind it out and have to go 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.240 prove myself. I mean, even at this stage, nobody's just 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.360 giving you handouts because you're a friend or you're a 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.040 cool person. You still have to earn it. And I 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.960 always say, you know, we asked for these opportunities, but 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.960 you have to be ready when you're presented with the opportunities, like, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.640 oh I want to get this, I want to get that. Okay, 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.160 so when that moment comes, then what because a lot 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.320 of times these opportunities are only gonna come one time 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.720 and you have to be be prepared. Um, you know. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.400 So I was prepared for the opportunity. And now I'm 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.360 on The Shy season three, which has been amazing, but 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.880 still working constantly on the phone or zooming or in 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.000 class with my acting like it's a never ending process. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:54.840 You don't get to a point and just like Okay, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.440 I made it and I stopped stop working. It doesn't 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:01.120 work like that. It's it's constant. It's constant work these 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.359 gems right here, Okay, because seriously, the whole thought, you know, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.160 you and I have talked about this around the constant 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:15.000 having to prove yourself even you have the damn receipts, okay, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.360 to prove that you've already done it, that you can 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.240 do it, you can do it better than rest um. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:25.560 Having to constantly prove yourself can be really frustrating. Can 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.879 you talk a little bit about where you find the 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.359 inspiration to keep doing it? Like why are you not mad? Like? 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.639 Why are you not mad about having to prove yourself? 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.359 You and I have talked so much about the fact 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.720 that like, oh well, why why is the incoming not 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.400 coming the way that it should be? Right? Why don't 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.440 you have to keep going out ask for the opportunities? 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:51.960 Why are you not mad about that? Well? Well, one, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.800 I'm not mad because I'm so grateful to where I 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.480 am in my life, Like my mom was born in 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.480 the Marcy projects. That's been Brooklyn like the life I 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.560 live now and the opportunities I've been presented and just 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.160 things I've done are beyond my wildest dreams. So if 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.760 it was all to stop today, I've done more than 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.359 I could have ever dreamed of. I've been able to 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.960 provide for my family and provide for myself and my son, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.199 and I'm so honored for that. So there's nothing to 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.080 be mad about. I'm I'm happy that I've been blessed 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.640 with these opportunities, and getting mad it's not gonna get 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.920 me to the next level. It never had. What's gonna 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.840 get me to the next level is preparation and being ready. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.520 So when the call comes, I'm ready for it and 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.119 also to be able. I don't do it for other people, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.040 but there is still something great when so many people 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.080 tell you you can't do something and then you do it. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.760 You don't even have to say anything, you just you 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.560 just know what it is, and they know what it is. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.000 When they see that deadline announcement or something. It's like, oh, yeah, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.640 I remember when you said, but only you and I 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.360 know that when that happened. But it's all good, Like 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.840 it's so satisfaction. Now, I don't care if people say 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.719 it's not it's so satisfaction. Yeah, So I don't do 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.800 it for them. I do it for me. But I'm 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.600 so so humble and grateful and I'm I'm super believing 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.320 all my blessings coming from God, and I have so 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.880 much faith that being mad. No, I don't know how 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.840 how how I would explain that. I think I would 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.480 be too scared that God would be like, what's going 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.240 on over there? And I don't want to play. I 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.040 don't want to play those games. I'm like, Wenlay, you 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:24.359 can playing with God exactly. Attitude of gratitude exactly. Grad No, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.480 but that's so real. That is so real because I 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.399 find that, um, even for myself, like yes, having to 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:37.760 remind myself that even when people doubt you as they do, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.600 or when they ask you for the receipts and you're like, 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.520 which one because I have a hundred thousand receipts, I'm 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.159 not for sure which one you want to see right now? UM, 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.480 to remember that this, this moment is so much greater 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:58.560 than any that myself or that anyone I know has achieved. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.840 I know, it's it's it's wild, it's wild. My mom 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.119 my mom is so supportive, but even on the radio, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.760 she was like, I mean, is that like a real 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.040 job or people like the people going? Is it like? 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.720 I was like, myn it is. And then when I 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.760 got the l A job, I had never been to 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.440 l A before. I mean, I didn't live a life 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.120 where I was traveling in l A in places like that. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.480 So when I got off the plane as a teenager 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.120 to take the job in l A, that's my first 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.400 time ever in l A. I was there by myself. 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.240 My mom took the first flight with me, and I 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.480 just got dropped off in a place didn't know anyone, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.560 by myself. But it's a testament to just being determined 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.760 and really wanting it. 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Katie is finishing her book, and so 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.760 I'm flying solo on this podcast with my friend and 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.600 entertainment renaissance woman La La Anthony. Let's get back to it. 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.680 First of all, I can't even believe we've been We've 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.520 been in lockdown for how long has it been? Like 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:48.280 it's four months for who would have ever thought ever 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.360 in a million years, and we're not even done yet. 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.040 That's we're not even done. And the problem is people 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.560 are loosening it up, and it's just it's it's and 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.600 I get it, like I understand it's so hard to 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.960 be contained for that long. You just want to get out, 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.760 but we just still have to continue to be safe 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.320 and practice social distancing and wearing masks because we want 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.240 to get this thing under control once and for all. 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.600 So when we're out, we could really be out instead 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.160 of like these little spurts of like okay, I'm out 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.840 of out and then you get shut down completely against 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.240 because so many states are going now back into phase one. 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.560 So you know, we want to get past that and 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.960 move forward. Yes, So let's talk about also personally, like 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.760 what that has been like for you, um, you know, 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.960 beyond being grounded, you know, like having to just sit 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.119 down in one place, which has just been very odd 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:41.880 for me, and I'm sure it's been odd for you 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.360 because we're constantly moving and most of the time when 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.000 I text you, my first thing is where are you at? Girl? 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.320 Because because I don't know where you are and we 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.520 don't write, but we don't know where we are, so 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.879 that's always the first question. But I think also just 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.920 personally speaking, you know, having to sort of change literally 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:05.880 where I am, you know, and being in the situation of, um, 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.680 having to take care of my daughter in a way 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.000 that I probably haven't before, which you know, has its 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:15.600 own lessons right right the school stuff, and I think 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.399 just even just being present all the time, which changes 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.000 a relationship. How has that been like for you, like 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.720 personally in your life? Like, how how has that been 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.560 for for you? As La La the mom, the woman 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.400 in being in quarantine? Um, you know, the mom part 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.680 was tough because I always say, you know, we talk 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:37.439 about how this is affecting us, and a lot of 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:39.520 times as parents, we don't check in with our kids 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:41.720 and we don't realize that look at the change it 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.760 is for them. So it's like, no, do your work, 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:45.639 get in front of this computer, it's like this is 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.560 all new for them. So I really tried to be 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.800 as patient as I could with my son because I 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.720 knew it was a new world for him, this online 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.639 class and stuff. I love the fact that we've spent 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.840 so much time together, only have one child, you know, 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.320 like you and we really just had our bonds always 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.080 been incredible, but it's even you know, tighter now. And 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.080 just to really get into his mind and what he likes, 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.119 and to be able to watch documentaries and read books together, 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.879 to watch and play Fortnite some nights, you know whatever 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.520 whatever we were doing that damn Fortnite on dropping crazy 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.199 but yea Fortnite. But you know, just to be a 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.600 part of his world was incredible for me. You know, 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.760 I found myself you know, reading a lot more. I 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:30.119 found myself doing a lot more self reflection. I found 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.720 myself really getting in touch with where I was at 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.600 mentally and personally, because when you are as busy as 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.959 we both are, you just go, go, go, go go, 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.120 and sometimes you don't even know how you're feeling because 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.399 you just go go go. You lot you feel to 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.520 that I'm good, yeah, all right later, everything's good, like 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.159 you're just going but you never really sit down and 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.959 just stop and get in tune with yourself. So I 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.640 was able to do that and and learn so many 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.280 things about myself. And then from a work perspective, I mean, 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:59.120 although things are shut down, I haven't done. If I 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.560 if I never do an another live zoom that I'll 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.320 be good. It's every day. It's like zoom zoomzoom, live, 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.600 live live. I loved it at first. I was all 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:13.800 about this zoom. Now I'm like a right, one more zoom, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.480 one more live, one more this um. That's been that's 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.520 been the funny part. But I also think we're connecting 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.760 with people in a way we never would. People have 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.120 more time now. I've sold a lot of shows through 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:28.080 my production company because people are listening more, they're more patient, 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.800 they're sitting down there really hearing you out where you 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:32.439 didn't see a lot of that before. It was just 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:37.520 this go go go world. So that part's been really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.840 that's that's for sure. I mean, listen, I didn't do 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.880 my first live until like this moment. But I've never 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.840 I've never done never. I think I did one or something. 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.960 I don't know. Maybe I did one. Maybe I'm lying. 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.000 Maybe I did one, but not enough for me to remember, 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.480 you know. And of course it's like I think I 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.480 remember when it it started to pick up and I 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.760 would see the live across my you know, the top 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.879 of your Instagram and seeing so many and I was like, 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:07.640 what the hell is going on? Everybody was good, Yeah, yeah, 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.080 you're still doing it. You're in so you're right. I 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:16.440 think at first was very exciting, and now I'm just like, okay, girl, 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:17.920 now I know all the tricks. It's like, oh, you 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.280 gotta comes on, because you know that's gonna be the 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.080 first that's gonna be the first shot. I know all 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.160 the tricks. I know all the tricks on my zoom. 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.480 I got a great background background photo and everything. I 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.480 had figured out how to change the backgrounds depending on 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.919 what I'm talking to. Damn about that one. Yeah, I 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.400 gotta see what I'm saying. I should have I should 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.480 have had that going because I'm not I'm not in 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.400 my usual location, and so this is all when you're 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.960 not in your usual location either. So we're all we're 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:52.480 all like we're doing okay. So now on top of COVID, 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.080 now we got to deal with racial unrest, which is 0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.560 nothing new to us because obviously we've dealt with it 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.040 all whole lives. Um. Which, by the way, I think 0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.720 perhaps even in your career and in you know, the 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.320 ways in which you've been able to tell your own story, 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:12.199 I'm sure has underlying messages in that too. You know 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:16.080 that you face your own bias and challenges, especially within 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.399 the entertainment industry. Um. But speaking of our kids, like, 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.160 how have you talked to Kayene about all that is happening? 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.879 What has been his response? How are you dealing with it? 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:27.800 You know what I mean? Because I think it's different 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.359 when you are experiencing yourself then when you have to 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.720 explain it to your kid. That's a that's a very 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.960 very very different situation, very different happened with you. The 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.120 good thing with Kayane is this is a conversation we've 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.320 been having with him. Obviously, now in the current climate 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.959 of everything, it's been magnified. But we have a thirteen 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.440 year old black son and we live in New York City. 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.840 My son walks around with the hoodie. My son walks 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.600 around New York. He plays basketball, he's in gyms, he's 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.200 on the courts outside. So we tell him like this, 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.080 at any moment could be you. You have to understand 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.960 what's going on and you can't be oh, that's not me, 0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.240 or you're in a video game. Are you dribbling a 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.120 basketball and you're not even aware of what's going on 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.120 behind you. So we made him watch certain things and 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.840 watch certain news programs that we trusted and respected to 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.160 give the right message and talk to him about dealing 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.120 with the police. We have some police in our families 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.280 and had really candid conversations about what that's like and 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.280 what's the right protocol when you get stopped and pulled over, 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.440 And it's really unfortunate that these are the conversations we 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.400 have to have with our kids. But it's the reality 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.520 of where it's at, where you literally have to run 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.840 drills with your kid, like, Okay, if I'm a cop, 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.760 what do you do now? What do you say? Where 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.960 do you put your hands? And my son is thirteen 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.600 years old and he's big for thirteen, like he doesn't 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.000 look like a little kid. So it's um, it's important 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.920 and it's sad, but also to see the way we've 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:55.280 come together is inspiring, and you know, our voices are 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.040 so powerful and for me personally, when I'm hearing about 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.800 all this stuff, I go right into like, all right, 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.680 what can I do? I'm not doing enough. I gotta 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.440 be doing something. I got I gotta figure it out. 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.400 So I've just had the pleasure and honor to get 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.000 to know, you know, Brianna Taylor's mom, to be on 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:14.239 on Zooms with Ahmad Aubrey's mom, Eric Carner's mom, and 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.760 talk to these moms and just talk about, you know, 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.400 what I could do personally to help amplify their voices 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.520 and calls to actions and what's needed. And Alicia Keys 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.880 has been so amazing in calling me and making sure 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.640 I'm looped into the zooms and the calls and different 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:34.160 calls to action. So from that standpoint, I feel inspired 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.920 and I feel like I'm using my platform for the 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.360 right thing. But you always feel like you should be 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.000 doing more. What what more can I do? 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You're listening to Back to Biz with 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.120 Katie and Bows and I'm talking to my friend La 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.960 La Anthony and we're about to dive into this black 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:55.320 Lives Matter moment because just this month July, la las 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.400 thirteen year old son Kayane is on the cover of 0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:01.120 Slam magazine with his dad and be all star Carmelo 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:06.280 Anthony father son, silhouetted in black, both wearing hoodies, staring 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.440 straight into the camera, and it is path We're full, Okay, 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.879 So let's pick back up with La La right now. 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.160 I mean, I'll tell you, like the hot tears that 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:22.839 poured down my face when I saw the cover the Slam, 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.080 I could listen. I can't even really talk about it. 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:26.640 I want to ask you the question, but I could barely. 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:31.520 I could barely get it out because oh man, with them, 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:38.080 like seeing them and in their hoodies. Yeah, girl, I see. 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.759 I can't even It's like it's like it's it's too much. 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.520 I can't even look at you because it's it's too much. Um. 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:49.839 Because I was just so struck, so struck by it. Um. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:54.000 It was so powerful, and it was such a reminder 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.920 because I, you know, I I obviously have a daughter, 0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.560 um and although I have the conversations with her as well, 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.600 because we know black women are not immune from the 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:08.239 disasters that we see out here. Um, but seeing him, 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.360 you know, that's my little nephew. I wait a minute. 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.719 They were talking about, you know, like he has to 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.319 be on this cover, he has to think about this, 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:19.560 you know, his dad like has to talk to him 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.920 about these things like, oh my god. And then you 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.640 as your as his mom, you know, with both of them, 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.040 because like, who wants to think about the dad and 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.040 the son leaving the house. Nobody, nobody wants to think 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.320 about that, you know what I mean? And feeling fear 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.640 over that. So how how do you manage that, like 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.400 even as yourself, like for for both of them, Like, 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.000 what did you even think when you saw the cover? 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.600 Did you see the cover before the cover at the house? 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.400 So I was there while it was being shot, and 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.040 I just wanted to make sure Cayenne recognize how powerful 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:54.960 that was and what it really meant. It wasn't just 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.120 all on the cover of SLAM. Let me go tell 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:58.960 all my friends, I'm on the cover of SLAM, and 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.840 I'm representing Black Lives Matter. I'm representing kids who have 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:07.759 been killed senselessly to to gun violence and police brutality 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.040 that look just like me, that walk, just how I walked, 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:12.840 that talk just like I talked. I wanted him to 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.000 understand how powerful that was. And that whole entire issue, 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.120 which is out now, just deals with you know, sports 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.600 stories involving racism, sports stories that have been ignored because 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.480 they've involved injustices or you know, police brutality, just stories 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.720 that we needed to hear. And Mello was the guest 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.400 editor of that issue, which I was super proud of 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.640 that and that's so iconic. I Mean, my hope is 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.080 that one day Cayen has his own kids and can 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:39.920 look back on that cover and say, hey, look when 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.360 I was on the cover of you know, Slam magazine. 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.280 It's it's incredible, but it was for a greater purpose, 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.160 which is to continue to amplify voices and the message 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.600 and make sure people aren't forgotten about. Like we said, 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.920 some of the hashtags might be dying down, some of 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.080 the protests might be dying down, but there's still so 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.440 much work to do. And you don't stop just because 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:05.000 hashtag isn't trending any war, right right, right, right. And 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.719 that's the thing is that because you know, hashtags don't 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.680 live forever, um, but we know that the pain of 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.319 mothers do live forever for mothers who have lost their children. UM. 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.480 And like you said, you've been in contact with Brianna 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.600 Taylor's mother and a Mod Aubrey's mother and working with 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.640 Alicia Keys on so many of these communication platforms and 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.440 using your own platform to do it. I mean, I 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.120 think most of us right are so struck by these stories. 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.719 And we see their faces and we see the press conferences, 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:36.759 and it's it's just so terrible. You feel it in 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.120 your spirit and your gut. You feel ill, you know, 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.279 having to think about what they've lost. But what is 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.480 it that you've learned from from these mothers, these women 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.800 um that you've had, you know, the privilege of being 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:53.080 in touch with unfortunately for such a sad and terrible 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:57.120 evil moment in time. Well, I learned that you know, 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.040 there's nothing in this world that can match a mother's love, 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:06.879 and you know that is just such a powerful thing. 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.719 And I learned what being strong really means. I mean, 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.320 we all have problems and issues and it's like, oh, 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.319 why me or why am I going through this? You 0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:16.319 have to look at what these women are going through 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:20.800 that bury their children too, police brutality to gun violence 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:22.960 to injustice, and how they're still able to hold their 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.600 head high and say, I'm gonna do this for my son. 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:27.640 I'm gonna do this for my daughter. I'm gonna get 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.239 justice for my son. I'm gonna get laws change. I'm 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.920 not gonna fight or rest until it happens. I mean, 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.640 it's so powerful and it just makes you feel like 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.440 you gotta you gotta be right there with them, you 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.440 gotta do whatever it takes to get whatever they need 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.919 done done, and you just want to take care of them. 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.960 So I learned what strength really is and learn what 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.640 power really is. And I learned also how much we 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.239 can do when we band together and help each other, 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.000 whether it's as women, or whether it's as black people, 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.960 whether it's as a community. Like, our power is so strong, 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.440 and a lot of times we don't recognize that. Our 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.280 power when it comes to our spending dollar, our power 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.360 when it comes to fashion, our power when it comes 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.000 to anything is so strong. But a lot of times 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.960 we've been made to believe that, you know, just be quiet, 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.600 I don't say too much to stamulate, don't ruffle any feathers. 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:18.960 And now people are like, no, we're ruffling feathers, and 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.600 we're calling people out, you know, for their bullshit. We 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.440 were bringing people to the table, and it's been amazing 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:28.080 to see because it's been a learning experience for everybody, 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.680 Like we all need to learn something during this time 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:36.160 and continue to educate ourselves and our and our children. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.080 And you know what I think that's the that's the 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.400 most amazing thing to me, is of course about the future, 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:45.319 you know, and what what we're learning about, not just 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.080 you know, the frustration of the past. Because even as 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.600 I think about racial unrest, I'm like, listen, I remember 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.719 when Rodney King, you know, was beaten and attacked and 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.880 the riots that happened then in l A and all 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.920 the other incidents since that have been publicly known. Obviously 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.920 there's so many that are not publicly known. Um, but 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.360 also not losing the sense of optimism, you know, because 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.239 we do want a better world for our children, and 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.400 we see a better future even for ourselves. Like I 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:15.880 don't even just push it on our kids, like I 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:21.920 want to see a better future from me, Like I 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.920 need this change that happens then later, because its been 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.600 long enough. It's been long enough, okay, Because like I 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.479 was saying, like even for yourself, Like you know, you've 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.160 you've been in this business, in this entertainment and media 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.400 business a long time, and we know what that is 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.880 like and what racism looks like in that industry. What 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.759 gives you hope you know, for the future, even for yourself, 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.960 like short term you know, are mean definitely when I 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:55.320 see just our children are young people using their voices. 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.840 When I see us banning together and looking at the 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:03.040 protests and can yet everyone focused on this change and 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.560 just how powerful we are when we come together, that 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.720 gives me hope, That makes me confident for the future 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.000 and us finally recognizing and realizing our power. We don't 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.160 have to stay quiet. We're not gonna be forced to 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.160 stay quiet. We're not gonna stay quiet anymore. And watching 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.879 what happens when we actually do speak up and say 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.240 you know what, no, I'm not gonna take this anymore. 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.440 This is wrong. And just seeing the power in numbers 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.440 is an amazing, beautiful thing. So that gives me hope 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:32.200 for our future. And seeing you know, the younger generation 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.000 just doing their part to say, you know, we're not 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:36.799 we're not going to stand for this anymore. We want 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.840 to grow up in a different world. That's what definitely 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.640 gives me hope. Yeah, yeah, And I mean because you're 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:46.360 a storyteller, you know, someone who has used her own voice, 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:50.879 like we were saying, since you were a kid, really right, um, 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:53.880 and have evolved your voice through the years and obviously 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:58.239 producing even what is there your thought about storytelling for 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.759 the future. You know, even that you continue to explore 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.359 your own storytelling of course, so to me, you know, 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:12.479 I want storytelling to be about what we want our 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.800 people to consume. Let's tell our stories, Let's talk about 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.040 what we go through that only we're gonna be able 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.960 to understand. Let's talk about the things that matter to us, 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.239 which is why I love you know, even a show 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:26.520 like The Shy dealing with growing up in Chicago and 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.759 everything that's happened on The Shy. Now, we shot The 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.879 Shy before all of this stuff kind of just hit 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.400 the way it did, and it's like Lena wrote the 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.080 shot yesterday just looking at everything's going on, because this 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.200 has been going on, it didn't just start. So it 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.759 shows that reflect what's happening out there and people can 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.520 watch and go, that's me. I went through that. I 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.680 can understand that shows for Black women that show us 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:50.759 being powerful, being bosses, you know, being independent, you know, 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:55.560 being great moms, workers, wives, lovers, whatever it is, shows 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.640 that you know uplift us and show us in a 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.799 different light. That's what I want to be a part 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.960 of that type of story storytelling, like stories that matter 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:05.960 to us. And I want to be able to look 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.960 at shows, whether it's The Shy, Power Insecure, I mean 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.760 so many and say, you know that's me, that looks 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.239 like me, that that's a representation of who I am. 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.600 There's there's nothing, there's no greater feeling than that. Yeah. Yeah, no, 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.719 I'm so, I really am. I'm so proud of you, 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:25.840 I really am. With all of the elation and your characters. Um, 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.680 you have played some very iconic characters. Thank you, Thank 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.399 you and all the memes that have been created over 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.839 and everybody else. You know what I'm saying, like they're 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:41.320 going in that's that, that's what is that? What is funny? Listen? 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.279 That got us all? Okay, Yeah, I know. I think 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:45.719 I might have texted you that day as well. I 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:47.680 was like, I think I did. I think I think 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.960 you can give me a heads up like that. I 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.520 think you did. You did, I think you did. I 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.839 think you did. I think you did. I think you did. 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:57.960 But like fifty always told me, if you got to 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.360 go out, you want to go out, remember ball, you 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.400 want to go out where people are talking about it, 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.440 which I did. Because the show ended, it could have 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.880 just been like, oh, well, you know what happened to Lukisha, 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.319 But now it was a moment and I used that 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.879 momentum to take me into, you know, my next thing 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.160 with the Shy and to go from working with Courtney Kemp, 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.160 who was a mentor and one of my closest friends 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:21.200 are just an amazing human being and writer. And then 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.960 to leave that and go rock with Lena and the 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.640 crew over there. I mean, I'm blessed. Man. I'm just 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:34.720 so so grateful for attitude of gratitude, that gratitude because listen, 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.759 you keep evolving and that I feel like it's a 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:42.279 great message in this moment, you know, of especially all 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.480 of this chaos and feeling and quite lost in sort 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.160 of a drift because we don't know when things are 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.160 gonna end. We don't know what to do. Some people 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.440 are waiting for things to get back to normal, you know, 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:56.000 before moving on or getting back to what they always did. 0:44:56.040 --> 0:45:00.279 But perhaps it's like using the time to reinvent. Yeah, 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.120 it is. I mean, that's that's a great thing. Reinvent 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:07.479 yourself in business, reinvent yourself in your your personal life. 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.400 Just reinvent how you feel about yourself. Constantly do mental 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.760 health checks on yourself. And like I say, it's okay 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.720 to not have it all together all the time. Everybody 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:19.239 is struggling during this time. It's hard for all of us. 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.239 And if you feel yourself getting to that point or unraveling, 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.120 not being afraid to call a friend or call someone 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.440 for some help, because this is a lot for everybody. 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.279 You're not meant to have it all together every single day, 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.680 twenty four hours a day. You're gonna have your ups 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.000 and downs and you have to be okay with that. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.800 It don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah, no, that's true. 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.440 How are you keeping your your mental health? Like? What 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.360 are you doing for I think selfcare is such a buzzword, 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.920 and that's not really what I'm asking, but it's it's like, 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.840 how are you keeping yourself feeling good and motivated? And 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.440 you know, I have, Uh, I have people that I 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.640 go to when I'm feeling down. I talked to Sometimes 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:01.080 it's me saying a prayer, sometimes reading a book. Sometimes 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.719 it's meditation, um, whatever. It is, like you have to 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.560 find what that thing is. Talking to a therapist, which 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.400 is something that you know has been super helpful and 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.399 you know for a long time, especially with us, it's 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.480 like therapy, Like what is therapy? Like I remember my 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.960 mom saying, you know, people would say, you know, only 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.080 crazy people go to therapy. I'm like, well, the crazy 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.480 people seem to have got it figured out because we 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.160 should have been going to therapy and it's so helpful 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.600 and you can't be ashamed of it. So whatever you 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:31.440 have to do. But you know, it's just about constantly 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.240 checking in with yourself and understanding that you're not supposed 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.399 to have it all together all the time. They're gonna 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.279 be good days, it's gonna be the bad days. That's 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.000 part of living, that's part of the process. But just 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:44.160 recognizing on those bad days what's causing it to be 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.600 a bad day, and how do you get yourself, you know, 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.399 out of that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if there's 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.759 one thing that I learned from you, girl, that regardless 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:56.680 of the situation, be it personal, professional, whatever, you find 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:58.759 a way to rise up out of it. And I 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.239 thank you, like I said it, seeingly proud of you, 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.960 um and very very grateful for your time. Thank you, 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:07.279 Thank you had a great shot. I can't wait till 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.560 this is over so I can actually hug you, because 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.680 this social I don't like this. I want to give 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:13.640 you a hug. I want to hug like hell, I 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:15.839 just want to see how you guys are doing. But 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:19.480 I love you and I'm so proud of everything you're doing. 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.600 And you know, we talk all the time, so we'll 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:27.279 talk to exactly. I'll call you later. All right. I 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.360 could keep talking to La La forever. But that's it 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.560 for this week's episode of Back to Bis with Katie 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.879 and Bows. I hope you all enjoyed it. I had 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.080 a ton of fun. So if you're not already, make 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.040 sure you subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcast, the 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.640 I Heart Radio app, or wherever you listen to your 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.920 favorite shows. 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