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You know why it's 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: okay because I have my very good girlfriend who is 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: an incredible person um, not just an entertainer and not 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: just a creator, but an all around incredible woman who 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: is joining me today La La Anthony, and I'm so 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. You're gonna be fine 33 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: riding solo tonight. I got your back. Don't worry about that. 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: You are great and everything you do. I appreciate you 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: so much. I do you. You've really you've done it all. 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: You've done it all, and you inspire me because there 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: are so many facets of not just your personality, but 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: you're ingenuity, your innovation, the way that you transform yourself 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: that I think so many people could learn from. You know, 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: we were in this time in which so many people 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what they're gonna do right. 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: It feels like a moment where we're all trying to 43 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: re energize and trying to figure out how to create 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: in this time when there is so much chaos happening, 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, and trying to reinvent, and you, my dear, 46 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: are the queen of reinvention. But can we also just 47 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: talk about how we first met, because I feel like 48 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: you're my bestie and I think I think I'm one 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: of them, Yes exactly. I'm just saying that, yes, one 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: of them, because otherwise other people get mad, that's right, 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: and other your best seas will get mad too if 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: we just played each other, only because we do run 53 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: into quite a crew of impressive women. But from what 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: I remember, I've always known who you were. I was 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: always paying attention to all the amazing things that you've done. 56 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: And then I remember us meeting at the b E 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: t Hert Awards. Yes, I said, my cousin was with me, 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, you gotta go say how to her? 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: And then like bring me over there and introduced me. 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: But like, don't make it obvious. I want to meet her, 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: but I don't want to look too thirsty. So can 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: you act like you want to meet her? And then 63 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: like we we I don't even know if you know 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: that story, but we playing out and then when it 65 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: went in for the kill, and then I came by 66 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: and we met, and I don't know, it's like it 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: was like we've known each other our whole lives and 68 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: we just did it all from there. No, seriously, because 69 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: of feeling the feeling that I had and said, I've 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: always seen you, you know, I've always seen you either 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: on TV or I've seen you at different industry events 72 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: or whatnot, and so I knew of you, and I 73 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: know you were sweet, like you're always very kind, you know, 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: whenever we passed each other and whatever event, um always 75 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: really really nice. But then yes, when your cousin came 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: up to me, I was like, oh, yes, here's my information. 77 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: I think I had for every piece of contact information. 78 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: I was like, here's my cell phone, here's my second 79 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: cell phone number, there's my email address, and also my 80 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: daughter's birthday. I was like, whatever, whatever she needs, like 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: have a contact with But I just just love you, glad, grateful. Yes, 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: we've had an amazing friendship. And it's always important to 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: surround yourself with people that inspire you and people that 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: push you and motivate you to do more and and 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: just fulfill your purpose and your passion. So you're definitely 86 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: one of those people in my life and I really 87 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: appreciate that. Well, thank you, honey. I mean the truth 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: of the matter, though, is that you too, you're not 89 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: new to this, okay, like you you've been at this, 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: at this aim of entertainment, of reinvention of storytelling, which 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: I find is, you know, sort of a cornerstone of 92 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: my own career in a different standpoint, because you've been, 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: i mean on on the microphone and in front of 94 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: cameras for a long time. Can you talk about how 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: you first started, because it was like fifteen or sixteen 96 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: years old right in Atlanta. Yeah, so I started. I 97 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: wasn't intern at sixteen years old at the radio station 98 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It was the same radio station that Ludacris 99 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: worked at, but at that time he went under the 100 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: name Chris Love a Lover. So he was there and 101 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: he had been in the game radio game longer than me. 102 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: He's older than me, so he had been there a 103 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: few years. And then I came up and I had 104 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: just moved to Atlanta from New York. I'm from New 105 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: York and my mom wanted to get out of New 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: York and go to Atlanta. So we went there and 107 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: I started interning, and I was just like, you know, 108 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bust my behind to get recognized and show 109 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: everyone here that I'm a hard worker what I could do. 110 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: And they're like, but how old are you? And I 111 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: started lying saying that I was eighteen, because to get 112 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: the internship you had to be eighteen. So I was like, oh, 113 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm eighteen, but I was only sixty years old. And 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I got the internship and the rest was kind of history. 115 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: I started on the radio with Ludicrous and then from 116 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: there I transitioned to radio in l A. And then 117 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: I became an MTV VJ and then a producer, actor, host, entrepreneur, 118 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: all of those things. But definitely it started in a 119 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: radio and that's my first love. And I know that 120 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: my career, you know, took off because of my love 121 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: of music, and it took me to all these different 122 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: amazing places. So okay, so but we gotta pause though, 123 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: because I mean, you just ran through like seventeen careers, 124 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like other people are like, yes, 125 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: I want to be on the radio, and then they 126 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe they get there, maybe they get there. And then 127 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: they stay there, you know. But you were like, Yes, 128 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the radio and I'm gonna be 129 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: a VJ, and I'm gonna be an act person, I'm 130 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: gonna be an entrepreneur. I mean, my god, Okay, so 131 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: let's let's let's start from the transition from being on 132 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: the radio to being a VJ. How did that happen 133 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: and why did you want to do it and why 134 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: do you think you succeeded at it? Well, for one, 135 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, starting on the radio was an amazing platform, 136 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: but then people would always say kind of what you said. 137 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, when you get on the radio, a lot 138 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: of people just stay on the radio, like just be happy. 139 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: This is how it starts and ends for you. You're 140 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: on the radio, Like that's it. You can't She didn't 141 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: want anything more. You're on the radio. And I kept thinking, 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: well why not? And I was like, after radio, what 143 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: feels like the natural next step? And I was like, well, 144 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: TV to me, feels like the next step after radio. 145 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: So when MTV um I was on the radio in 146 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: l A. And I became really recognized. People knew my 147 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: voice and knew who I was. So MTV called one 148 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: day They actually called the receptionist at the radio station. 149 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: I remember walking into work. I was at that time 150 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: now like eighteen years old in Los Angeles, and they said, Hey, 151 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: somebody from MTV call looking for you, and it was 152 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: like a sticky note with like a number on it. 153 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm on TV. So I called and they were like, 154 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: we just want you to come in. We've heard a 155 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: lot about you, we just want to meet you. I 156 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: was like okay, So I came in and then they 157 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: saw me and they were like, oh, you should be 158 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: on TV, Like have you ever thought about that? And 159 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: I was like yeah, I've been wanting to do it. 160 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: And then they went I went through an audition kind 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: of process where I had to interview people and show 162 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: them that I could be good on camera. But I 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: already had a lot of the lessons from radio, because 164 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: even though you don't see someone's face a lot of times, 165 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: in radio, it's the same concept. You're interviewing people, you're 166 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: being personable. So I brought all of that to my 167 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: audition and then they said, hey, do you want to 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: move back to New York where I'm from and start 169 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: hosting one of our MTV shows? And I was like absolutely, 170 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: and then I moved to New York and started doing that, 171 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: and then ultimately during MTV, I was switched over to 172 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: become one of the premier host of TRL, which at 173 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: that time was the biggest the biggest show on television. 174 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Still is like, when I go back and think of 175 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: the MTV days, I'm just like, I'm in awe of it, 176 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: because when you're in a job, you're just kind of 177 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: doing a job and trying to be great at it. 178 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: But it does sometimes it takes you stepping out to 179 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: look back and go we were making history, like thousands 180 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: of kids in Times Square every day, everything that was 181 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: going on, and to be at the center of that. 182 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: And I also find it funny when people say, you know, 183 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: I grew up watching you on MTV and and it's 184 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: a compliment, but at the same time, I'm like, guys, 185 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: when I was on MTV, I was twenty years old, 186 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Like you're saying it, like like, okay, you were, and 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: I was twenty Like yeah, we grew up watching me, 188 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: but we were the same age. So it's just kind 189 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: of funny. But MTV was such a great experience and 190 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: I made so many relationships there and it was so 191 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: great for me. And then as MTV started changing over 192 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: the years and becoming like less about music videos and 193 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: t R, I was coming to and and I was like, Okay, 194 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: now it's time to make the next transition and what 195 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: would that be? That would be acting, producing, more hosting, 196 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: And so I went back to l A and really 197 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: focused on pursuing my acting career, going to acting classes, 198 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: working with an acting coach, really just taking it super seriously. 199 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: It was always there, but like really laser focused in 200 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: on it, going on auditions, and then I started booking 201 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: like small, small stuff. In my first big I would say, 202 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: people know me from like really young I was and 203 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: you Got Served and two can Play the Game and 204 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: all these these movies when I was young. But my 205 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: real kind of big break was when I became part 206 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: of the Think Like a Man franchise and I wasn't 207 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: think like a man wanted to And after that is 208 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: where I finally saw like, wow, I could really have 209 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: a career, you know, in this thing. And that's how 210 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: it happened. Feel like I rambling this is history. Okay history, 211 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: It's like everybody paying attention. This is history because the 212 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is you were at the center 213 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: of a lot of things that started trends that we 214 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: still see today. You know, when you think about tr 215 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: row and everything that was modeled after TRL, because before 216 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: it's year around, I think I've been done like that before. No, no, 217 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, so then you started modeling what that looked like? 218 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: And are you serious? Yes? I watched you on t 219 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: RL okay, And the most amazing thing to me is that, 220 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: of course people are gonna say, you know, they grew 221 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: up watching you, but that is such an incredible accolade 222 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: to be a somewhat mentor fall away mentor and aspiration 223 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: to people who are your same age. It's definitely cool. Yeah, 224 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: because they're not looking at somebody who's like far far 225 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: ahead of them. They're looking at you, and they're like 226 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: they're putting themselves in your shoes and saying, well, she 227 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: can do it, I can do it. You know. That's 228 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: an incredible It was incredible, credible journey. And I don't 229 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: take it lightly. MTV was an amazing place. I learned 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: so much there, but even at the MTV level, like 231 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: I found some of the same challenges where and I 232 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: say this to my entrepreneurs and people in business and 233 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: just people that are trying to get it like it 234 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: was the same kind of thing. Okay, you're on MTV. 235 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Now this is all you're gonna do. You're only gonna 236 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: be an MTVVJ. And after MTV, nobody hears from you anymore. 237 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: Nobody knows what happens to people after MTV, which a 238 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: lot of my MTV hosts have went on to do 239 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: amazing things, but at that time they would tell you like, 240 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: just capitalized, maximized, because this is gonna be short lived. 241 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: They'll be they'll this is it, They'll be on to 242 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: the next one. And I the entire time I was thinking, 243 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: like this being put in a box mentality. I don't 244 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: like this, Like how can I continue to prove that 245 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be put in a box? So 246 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: I was always like plotting my next move so that 247 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be put in this box. And now I'm 248 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: out the box in so many ways. And I just 249 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: want that to be an inspiration to people who are 250 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: stuck in jobs where they feel like, is this it is, 251 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be it for the rest you know, 252 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: of my life. Come on, Because the truth, that is 253 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: the absolute truth, which is that when other people have 254 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: put you in a box, or you're in a situation 255 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: in which you can't see yourself your way out because 256 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: it looks like that's the only opportunity. Maybe you achieve 257 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the thing that you dreamt of achieving, But now what's next? 258 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: What happens? Can you please just give us a little 259 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: bit of that, Like what makes you so bold? What 260 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: was it that made you feel like you could move 261 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: to the next thing? Well, one thing about me, since 262 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: I was a child, I never wanted to ever depend 263 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: on anyone and never wanted to be in a situation 264 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: where I was depending on someone. So I always wanted 265 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: to find ways to get it myself, to be independent 266 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: and not feel like I had to rely on someone. 267 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: And as women speaking to my women out there, so 268 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: many of us are feel like we have to be 269 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: dependent or without another person, we can't get out of 270 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: certain situations or we can't succeed. And I'm here to 271 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: tell you that that's that's absolutely not true. You have 272 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: everything you need inside of you. And I kept telling myself, 273 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: you can do this, you can do this. I had 274 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: to be my own cheerleader because along the way of 275 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: any journey, so many people are going to tell you 276 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: why it's not gonna work, you know, just be happy 277 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: you where you're at. You you started from nothing, you 278 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: have a little something. You should be good. Why are 279 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: you even trying to get anything else? Like you're doing 280 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: too much. You know, you're always gonna hear that. So 281 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: I had to believe, you know, and myself and push myself. 282 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: And it all came from a place of not wanting 283 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: to be dependent, dependent on anyone, wanting to be independent 284 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: and be able to provide for myself and my family. 285 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: And that that just kind of pushed me. And I 286 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: always said, you know, whenever something to me starts feeling 287 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: like a job, then I know it's time to go. 288 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: Whenever it starts feeling like a job and you're regretting going, 289 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean we all have bad days when when you're 290 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: regretting going there every day, or you're just in this 291 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: like hamster wheel of like the same thing every single day, 292 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: and when that starts wearing on your spirit, that's when 293 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, it's time to go. And 294 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: I know you also are a person who doesn't get 295 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: put in a box, and that's something I admire about you. 296 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: Like once you make a certain move, we think we 297 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: got you figured out that you make it another move 298 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: like you you do what you need to do, but 299 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: it's all moves to just continue, you know, finding your 300 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: passion and your your purpose and it's like, Okay, I 301 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: checked that box off, I did what I had to 302 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: do there. Now I'm going to this next thing. And 303 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I have a very similar personality in that sense. Do 304 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: you feel like you still have to prove yourself? Do you? 305 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you still have to do that one? 306 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: More than people with people would ever know. Especially I 307 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: find the most in my acting because as many years 308 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: as in spenses I haven't been on MTV, there's still 309 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: a large group of people where I'm oh, that's a 310 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: la la from MTV. Sometimes it's hard to shake that 311 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: from MTV, and I'm proud of it. I'm not ashamed 312 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: of it. I don't want to shake it, but I 313 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: want to come in and be seen as myself and 314 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: the character like, oh, she's just a VJ that wants 315 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: to act, and there's a stigma around that. So I 316 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: always feel like when it comes to my acting, I 317 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: have to work extra hard to prove that I can 318 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: do it. But then getting on the series like Power 319 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: for six seasons and the all the success Power had 320 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: and being a main character on there had really molded 321 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: me and started finally seeing it. And then after Power, 322 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: getting a call from lead Away, who I love and 323 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: the Shy. Yeah, and she's like, she's like coming audition. 324 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: I want to see what you could do. I watched Power, 325 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: I liked it, but I want to see if you 326 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: can handle this and to work really hard with my 327 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: acting coach and grind it out and have to go 328 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: prove myself. I mean, even at this stage, nobody's just 329 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: giving you handouts because you're a friend or you're a 330 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: cool person. You still have to earn it. And I 331 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: always say, you know, we asked for these opportunities, but 332 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: you have to be ready when you're presented with the opportunities, like, 333 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: oh I want to get this, I want to get that. Okay, 334 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: so when that moment comes, then what because a lot 335 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: of times these opportunities are only gonna come one time 336 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and you have to be be prepared. Um, you know. 337 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: So I was prepared for the opportunity. And now I'm 338 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: on The Shy season three, which has been amazing, but 339 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: still working constantly on the phone or zooming or in 340 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: class with my acting like it's a never ending process. 341 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: You don't get to a point and just like Okay, 342 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I made it and I stopped stop working. It doesn't 343 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: work like that. It's it's constant. It's constant work these 344 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: gems right here, Okay, because seriously, the whole thought, you know, 345 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this around the constant 346 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: having to prove yourself even you have the damn receipts, okay, 347 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: to prove that you've already done it, that you can 348 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: do it, you can do it better than rest um. 349 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: Having to constantly prove yourself can be really frustrating. Can 350 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about where you find the 351 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: inspiration to keep doing it? Like why are you not mad? Like? 352 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: Why are you not mad about having to prove yourself? 353 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: You and I have talked so much about the fact 354 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: that like, oh well, why why is the incoming not 355 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: coming the way that it should be? Right? Why don't 356 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: you have to keep going out ask for the opportunities? 357 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Why are you not mad about that? Well? Well, one, 358 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm not mad because I'm so grateful to where I 359 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: am in my life, Like my mom was born in 360 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: the Marcy projects. That's been Brooklyn like the life I 361 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: live now and the opportunities I've been presented and just 362 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: things I've done are beyond my wildest dreams. So if 363 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: it was all to stop today, I've done more than 364 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: I could have ever dreamed of. I've been able to 365 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: provide for my family and provide for myself and my son, 366 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: and I'm so honored for that. So there's nothing to 367 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: be mad about. I'm I'm happy that I've been blessed 368 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: with these opportunities, and getting mad it's not gonna get 369 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: me to the next level. It never had. What's gonna 370 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: get me to the next level is preparation and being ready. 371 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: So when the call comes, I'm ready for it and 372 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: also to be able. I don't do it for other people, 373 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: but there is still something great when so many people 374 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: tell you you can't do something and then you do it. 375 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: You don't even have to say anything, you just you 376 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: just know what it is, and they know what it is. 377 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: When they see that deadline announcement or something. It's like, oh, yeah, 378 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: I remember when you said, but only you and I 379 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: know that when that happened. But it's all good, Like 380 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: it's so satisfaction. Now, I don't care if people say 381 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: it's not it's so satisfaction. Yeah, So I don't do 382 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: it for them. I do it for me. But I'm 383 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: so so humble and grateful and I'm I'm super believing 384 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: all my blessings coming from God, and I have so 385 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: much faith that being mad. No, I don't know how 386 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: how how I would explain that. I think I would 387 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: be too scared that God would be like, what's going 388 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: on over there? And I don't want to play. I 389 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: don't want to play those games. I'm like, Wenlay, you 390 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: can playing with God exactly. Attitude of gratitude exactly. Grad No, 391 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: but that's so real. That is so real because I 392 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: find that, um, even for myself, like yes, having to 393 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: remind myself that even when people doubt you as they do, 394 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: or when they ask you for the receipts and you're like, 395 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: which one because I have a hundred thousand receipts, I'm 396 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: not for sure which one you want to see right now? UM, 397 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: to remember that this, this moment is so much greater 398 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: than any that myself or that anyone I know has achieved. 399 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's it's wild, it's wild. My mom 400 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: my mom is so supportive, but even on the radio, 401 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: she was like, I mean, is that like a real 402 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: job or people like the people going? Is it like? 403 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: I was like, myn it is. And then when I 404 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: got the l A job, I had never been to 405 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: l A before. I mean, I didn't live a life 406 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: where I was traveling in l A in places like that. 407 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: So when I got off the plane as a teenager 408 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: to take the job in l A, that's my first 409 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: time ever in l A. I was there by myself. 410 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: My mom took the first flight with me, and I 411 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: just got dropped off in a place didn't know anyone, 412 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: by myself. But it's a testament to just being determined 413 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: and really wanting it. And for me, I wanted to 414 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: provide a better life for myself and my family and 415 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: still do so that's kind of what just keeps me going. 416 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: When we come back La La and I get into 417 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: some quarantine realness that's in just a moment, whether you 418 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: were event needed one room or an entire conference under 419 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: Pumpen has revolutionized the way people come together. 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Are simple, customizable search 439 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: tool let you search for part time, full time, and 440 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: even work from home jobs so you can find a 441 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: job that fits your lifestyle. Get started now at career 442 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: builder dot com. You're listening to Back to Bis with 443 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: Katie and Bows. Katie is finishing her book, and so 444 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm flying solo on this podcast with my friend and 445 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: entertainment renaissance woman La La Anthony. Let's get back to it. 446 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: First of all, I can't even believe we've been We've 447 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: been in lockdown for how long has it been? Like 448 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: it's four months for who would have ever thought ever 449 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: in a million years, and we're not even done yet. 450 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: That's we're not even done. And the problem is people 451 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: are loosening it up, and it's just it's it's and 452 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: I get it, like I understand it's so hard to 453 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: be contained for that long. You just want to get out, 454 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: but we just still have to continue to be safe 455 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: and practice social distancing and wearing masks because we want 456 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: to get this thing under control once and for all. 457 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: So when we're out, we could really be out instead 458 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: of like these little spurts of like okay, I'm out 459 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: of out and then you get shut down completely against 460 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: because so many states are going now back into phase one. 461 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: So you know, we want to get past that and 462 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: move forward. Yes, So let's talk about also personally, like 463 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: what that has been like for you, um, you know, 464 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: beyond being grounded, you know, like having to just sit 465 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: down in one place, which has just been very odd 466 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: for me, and I'm sure it's been odd for you 467 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: because we're constantly moving and most of the time when 468 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: I text you, my first thing is where are you at? Girl? 469 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: Because because I don't know where you are and we 470 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: don't write, but we don't know where we are, so 471 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: that's always the first question. But I think also just 472 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: personally speaking, you know, having to sort of change literally 473 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: where I am, you know, and being in the situation of, um, 474 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: having to take care of my daughter in a way 475 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: that I probably haven't before, which you know, has its 476 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: own lessons right right the school stuff, and I think 477 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: just even just being present all the time, which changes 478 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: a relationship. How has that been like for you, like 479 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: personally in your life? Like, how how has that been 480 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: for for you? As La La the mom, the woman 481 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: in being in quarantine? Um, you know, the mom part 482 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: was tough because I always say, you know, we talk 483 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: about how this is affecting us, and a lot of 484 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: times as parents, we don't check in with our kids 485 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: and we don't realize that look at the change it 486 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: is for them. So it's like, no, do your work, 487 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: get in front of this computer, it's like this is 488 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: all new for them. So I really tried to be 489 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: as patient as I could with my son because I 490 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: knew it was a new world for him, this online 491 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: class and stuff. I love the fact that we've spent 492 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: so much time together, only have one child, you know, 493 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: like you and we really just had our bonds always 494 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: been incredible, but it's even you know, tighter now. And 495 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: just to really get into his mind and what he likes, 496 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: and to be able to watch documentaries and read books together, 497 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: to watch and play Fortnite some nights, you know whatever 498 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: whatever we were doing that damn Fortnite on dropping crazy 499 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: but yea Fortnite. But you know, just to be a 500 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: part of his world was incredible for me. You know, 501 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: I found myself you know, reading a lot more. I 502 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: found myself doing a lot more self reflection. I found 503 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: myself really getting in touch with where I was at 504 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: mentally and personally, because when you are as busy as 505 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: we both are, you just go, go, go, go go, 506 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't even know how you're feeling because 507 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: you just go go go. You lot you feel to 508 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: that I'm good, yeah, all right later, everything's good, like 509 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: you're just going but you never really sit down and 510 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: just stop and get in tune with yourself. So I 511 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: was able to do that and and learn so many 512 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: things about myself. And then from a work perspective, I mean, 513 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: although things are shut down, I haven't done. If I 514 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: if I never do an another live zoom that I'll 515 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: be good. It's every day. It's like zoom zoomzoom, live, 516 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: live live. I loved it at first. I was all 517 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: about this zoom. Now I'm like a right, one more zoom, 518 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: one more live, one more this um. That's been that's 519 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: been the funny part. But I also think we're connecting 520 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: with people in a way we never would. People have 521 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: more time now. I've sold a lot of shows through 522 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: my production company because people are listening more, they're more patient, 523 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: they're sitting down there really hearing you out where you 524 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of that before. It was just 525 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: this go go go world. So that part's been really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 526 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: that's that's for sure. I mean, listen, I didn't do 527 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: my first live until like this moment. But I've never 528 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: I've never done never. I think I did one or something. 529 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I did one. Maybe I'm lying. 530 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I did one, but not enough for me to remember, 531 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: you know. And of course it's like I think I 532 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: remember when it it started to pick up and I 533 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: would see the live across my you know, the top 534 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: of your Instagram and seeing so many and I was like, 535 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? Everybody was good, Yeah, yeah, 536 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: you're still doing it. You're in so you're right. I 537 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: think at first was very exciting, and now I'm just like, okay, girl, 538 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: now I know all the tricks. It's like, oh, you 539 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: gotta comes on, because you know that's gonna be the 540 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: first that's gonna be the first shot. I know all 541 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: the tricks. I know all the tricks on my zoom. 542 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: I got a great background background photo and everything. I 543 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: had figured out how to change the backgrounds depending on 544 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: what I'm talking to. Damn about that one. Yeah, I 545 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: gotta see what I'm saying. I should have I should 546 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: have had that going because I'm not I'm not in 547 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: my usual location, and so this is all when you're 548 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: not in your usual location either. So we're all we're 549 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: all like we're doing okay. So now on top of COVID, 550 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: now we got to deal with racial unrest, which is 551 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: nothing new to us because obviously we've dealt with it 552 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: all whole lives. Um. Which, by the way, I think 553 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: perhaps even in your career and in you know, the 554 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: ways in which you've been able to tell your own story, 555 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure has underlying messages in that too. You know 556 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: that you face your own bias and challenges, especially within 557 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. Um. But speaking of our kids, like, 558 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: how have you talked to Kayene about all that is happening? 559 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: What has been his response? How are you dealing with it? 560 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because I think it's different 561 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: when you are experiencing yourself then when you have to 562 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: explain it to your kid. That's a that's a very 563 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: very very different situation, very different happened with you. The 564 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: good thing with Kayane is this is a conversation we've 565 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: been having with him. Obviously, now in the current climate 566 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: of everything, it's been magnified. But we have a thirteen 567 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: year old black son and we live in New York City. 568 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: My son walks around with the hoodie. My son walks 569 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: around New York. He plays basketball, he's in gyms, he's 570 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: on the courts outside. So we tell him like this, 571 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: at any moment could be you. You have to understand 572 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: what's going on and you can't be oh, that's not me, 573 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: or you're in a video game. Are you dribbling a 574 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: basketball and you're not even aware of what's going on 575 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: behind you. So we made him watch certain things and 576 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: watch certain news programs that we trusted and respected to 577 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: give the right message and talk to him about dealing 578 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: with the police. We have some police in our families 579 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: and had really candid conversations about what that's like and 580 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: what's the right protocol when you get stopped and pulled over, 581 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: And it's really unfortunate that these are the conversations we 582 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: have to have with our kids. But it's the reality 583 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: of where it's at, where you literally have to run 584 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: drills with your kid, like, Okay, if I'm a cop, 585 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: what do you do now? What do you say? Where 586 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: do you put your hands? And my son is thirteen 587 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: years old and he's big for thirteen, like he doesn't 588 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: look like a little kid. So it's um, it's important 589 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: and it's sad, but also to see the way we've 590 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: come together is inspiring, and you know, our voices are 591 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: so powerful and for me personally, when I'm hearing about 592 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff, I go right into like, all right, 593 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: what can I do? I'm not doing enough. I gotta 594 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: be doing something. I got I gotta figure it out. 595 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: So I've just had the pleasure and honor to get 596 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: to know, you know, Brianna Taylor's mom, to be on 597 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: on Zooms with Ahmad Aubrey's mom, Eric Carner's mom, and 598 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: talk to these moms and just talk about, you know, 599 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: what I could do personally to help amplify their voices 600 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: and calls to actions and what's needed. And Alicia Keys 601 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: has been so amazing in calling me and making sure 602 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm looped into the zooms and the calls and different 603 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: calls to action. So from that standpoint, I feel inspired 604 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm using my platform for the 605 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: right thing. But you always feel like you should be 606 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: doing more. What what more can I do? And you know, 607 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: it's tricky because you know, if you talk about what 608 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: you're doing, then it's like, why are you talking about 609 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: it not just doing it? If you don't talk about 610 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: a thing, you're not doing anything. So it's like, you know, 611 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: you gotta find that happy medium. But it's not as 612 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: much about that as it is about just using your 613 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: platform and really making a difference. 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You're listening to Back to Biz with 664 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: Katie and Bows and I'm talking to my friend La 665 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: La Anthony and we're about to dive into this black 666 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: Lives Matter moment because just this month July, la las 667 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: thirteen year old son Kayane is on the cover of 668 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Slam magazine with his dad and be all star Carmelo 669 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: Anthony father son, silhouetted in black, both wearing hoodies, staring 670 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: straight into the camera, and it is path We're full, Okay, 671 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: So let's pick back up with La La right now. 672 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you, like the hot tears that 673 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: poured down my face when I saw the cover the Slam, 674 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: I could listen. I can't even really talk about it. 675 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: I want to ask you the question, but I could barely. 676 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: I could barely get it out because oh man, with them, 677 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: like seeing them and in their hoodies. Yeah, girl, I see. 678 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: I can't even It's like it's like it's it's too much. 679 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: I can't even look at you because it's it's too much. Um. 680 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: Because I was just so struck, so struck by it. Um. 681 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: It was so powerful, and it was such a reminder 682 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: because I, you know, I I obviously have a daughter, 683 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: um and although I have the conversations with her as well, 684 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: because we know black women are not immune from the 685 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: disasters that we see out here. Um, but seeing him, 686 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, that's my little nephew. I wait a minute. 687 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: They were talking about, you know, like he has to 688 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: be on this cover, he has to think about this, 689 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, his dad like has to talk to him 690 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: about these things like, oh my god. And then you 691 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: as your as his mom, you know, with both of them, 692 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: because like, who wants to think about the dad and 693 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: the son leaving the house. Nobody, nobody wants to think 694 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: about that, you know what I mean? And feeling fear 695 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: over that. So how how do you manage that, like 696 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: even as yourself, like for for both of them, Like, 697 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: what did you even think when you saw the cover? 698 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: Did you see the cover before the cover at the house? 699 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: So I was there while it was being shot, and 700 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure Cayenne recognize how powerful 701 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: that was and what it really meant. It wasn't just 702 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: all on the cover of SLAM. Let me go tell 703 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: all my friends, I'm on the cover of SLAM, and 704 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm representing Black Lives Matter. I'm representing kids who have 705 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: been killed senselessly to to gun violence and police brutality 706 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: that look just like me, that walk, just how I walked, 707 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: that talk just like I talked. I wanted him to 708 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: understand how powerful that was. And that whole entire issue, 709 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: which is out now, just deals with you know, sports 710 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: stories involving racism, sports stories that have been ignored because 711 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: they've involved injustices or you know, police brutality, just stories 712 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: that we needed to hear. And Mello was the guest 713 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: editor of that issue, which I was super proud of 714 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: that and that's so iconic. I Mean, my hope is 715 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: that one day Cayen has his own kids and can 716 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: look back on that cover and say, hey, look when 717 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: I was on the cover of you know, Slam magazine. 718 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: It's it's incredible, but it was for a greater purpose, 719 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: which is to continue to amplify voices and the message 720 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: and make sure people aren't forgotten about. Like we said, 721 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: some of the hashtags might be dying down, some of 722 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: the protests might be dying down, but there's still so 723 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: much work to do. And you don't stop just because 724 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: hashtag isn't trending any war, right right, right, right. And 725 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: that's the thing is that because you know, hashtags don't 726 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: live forever, um, but we know that the pain of 727 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: mothers do live forever for mothers who have lost their children. UM. 728 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: And like you said, you've been in contact with Brianna 729 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: Taylor's mother and a Mod Aubrey's mother and working with 730 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: Alicia Keys on so many of these communication platforms and 731 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: using your own platform to do it. I mean, I 732 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: think most of us right are so struck by these stories. 733 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: And we see their faces and we see the press conferences, 734 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: and it's it's just so terrible. You feel it in 735 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: your spirit and your gut. You feel ill, you know, 736 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: having to think about what they've lost. But what is 737 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: it that you've learned from from these mothers, these women 738 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: um that you've had, you know, the privilege of being 739 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: in touch with unfortunately for such a sad and terrible 740 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: evil moment in time. Well, I learned that you know, 741 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing in this world that can match a mother's love, 742 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: and you know that is just such a powerful thing. 743 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: And I learned what being strong really means. I mean, 744 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: we all have problems and issues and it's like, oh, 745 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: why me or why am I going through this? You 746 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: have to look at what these women are going through 747 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: that bury their children too, police brutality to gun violence 748 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: to injustice, and how they're still able to hold their 749 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: head high and say, I'm gonna do this for my son. 750 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this for my daughter. I'm gonna get 751 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: justice for my son. I'm gonna get laws change. I'm 752 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: not gonna fight or rest until it happens. I mean, 753 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: it's so powerful and it just makes you feel like 754 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be right there with them, you 755 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: gotta do whatever it takes to get whatever they need 756 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: done done, and you just want to take care of them. 757 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: So I learned what strength really is and learn what 758 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: power really is. And I learned also how much we 759 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: can do when we band together and help each other, 760 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: whether it's as women, or whether it's as black people, 761 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: whether it's as a community. Like, our power is so strong, 762 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of times we don't recognize that. Our 763 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: power when it comes to our spending dollar, our power 764 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to fashion, our power when it comes 765 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: to anything is so strong. But a lot of times 766 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: we've been made to believe that, you know, just be quiet, 767 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't say too much to stamulate, don't ruffle any feathers. 768 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: And now people are like, no, we're ruffling feathers, and 769 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: we're calling people out, you know, for their bullshit. We 770 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: were bringing people to the table, and it's been amazing 771 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: to see because it's been a learning experience for everybody, 772 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: Like we all need to learn something during this time 773 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: and continue to educate ourselves and our and our children. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 774 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: And you know what I think that's the that's the 775 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: most amazing thing to me, is of course about the future, 776 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: you know, and what what we're learning about, not just 777 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, the frustration of the past. Because even as 778 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: I think about racial unrest, I'm like, listen, I remember 779 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: when Rodney King, you know, was beaten and attacked and 780 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: the riots that happened then in l A and all 781 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: the other incidents since that have been publicly known. Obviously 782 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: there's so many that are not publicly known. Um, but 783 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: also not losing the sense of optimism, you know, because 784 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: we do want a better world for our children, and 785 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: we see a better future even for ourselves. Like I 786 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: don't even just push it on our kids, like I 787 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: want to see a better future from me, Like I 788 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: need this change that happens then later, because its been 789 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: long enough. It's been long enough, okay, Because like I 790 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,479 Speaker 1: was saying, like even for yourself, Like you know, you've 791 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: you've been in this business, in this entertainment and media 792 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: business a long time, and we know what that is 793 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: like and what racism looks like in that industry. What 794 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: gives you hope you know, for the future, even for yourself, 795 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: like short term you know, are mean definitely when I 796 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: see just our children are young people using their voices. 797 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: When I see us banning together and looking at the 798 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: protests and can yet everyone focused on this change and 799 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: just how powerful we are when we come together, that 800 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 1: gives me hope, That makes me confident for the future 801 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: and us finally recognizing and realizing our power. We don't 802 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: have to stay quiet. We're not gonna be forced to 803 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: stay quiet. We're not gonna stay quiet anymore. And watching 804 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 1: what happens when we actually do speak up and say 805 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 1: you know what, no, I'm not gonna take this anymore. 806 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: This is wrong. And just seeing the power in numbers 807 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: is an amazing, beautiful thing. So that gives me hope 808 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: for our future. And seeing you know, the younger generation 809 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: just doing their part to say, you know, we're not 810 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: we're not going to stand for this anymore. We want 811 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: to grow up in a different world. That's what definitely 812 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: gives me hope. Yeah, yeah, And I mean because you're 813 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: a storyteller, you know, someone who has used her own voice, 814 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: like we were saying, since you were a kid, really right, um, 815 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: and have evolved your voice through the years and obviously 816 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: producing even what is there your thought about storytelling for 817 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: the future. You know, even that you continue to explore 818 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: your own storytelling of course, so to me, you know, 819 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,479 Speaker 1: I want storytelling to be about what we want our 820 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: people to consume. Let's tell our stories, Let's talk about 821 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: what we go through that only we're gonna be able 822 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: to understand. Let's talk about the things that matter to us, 823 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: which is why I love you know, even a show 824 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: like The Shy dealing with growing up in Chicago and 825 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: everything that's happened on The Shy. Now, we shot The 826 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 1: Shy before all of this stuff kind of just hit 827 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: the way it did, and it's like Lena wrote the 828 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: shot yesterday just looking at everything's going on, because this 829 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: has been going on, it didn't just start. So it 830 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: shows that reflect what's happening out there and people can 831 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: watch and go, that's me. I went through that. I 832 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: can understand that shows for Black women that show us 833 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: being powerful, being bosses, you know, being independent, you know, 834 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: being great moms, workers, wives, lovers, whatever it is, shows 835 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: that you know uplift us and show us in a 836 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: different light. That's what I want to be a part 837 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: of that type of story storytelling, like stories that matter 838 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: to us. And I want to be able to look 839 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: at shows, whether it's The Shy, Power Insecure, I mean 840 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: so many and say, you know that's me, that looks 841 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: like me, that that's a representation of who I am. 842 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: There's there's nothing, there's no greater feeling than that. Yeah. Yeah, no, 843 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: I'm so, I really am. I'm so proud of you, 844 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: I really am. With all of the elation and your characters. Um, 845 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: you have played some very iconic characters. Thank you, Thank 846 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 1: you and all the memes that have been created over 847 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: and everybody else. You know what I'm saying, like they're 848 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 1: going in that's that, that's what is that? What is funny? Listen? 849 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: That got us all? Okay, Yeah, I know. I think 850 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: I might have texted you that day as well. I 851 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: was like, I think I did. I think I think 852 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: you can give me a heads up like that. I 853 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: think you did. You did, I think you did. I 854 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: think you did. I think you did. I think you did. 855 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: But like fifty always told me, if you got to 856 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: go out, you want to go out, remember ball, you 857 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: want to go out where people are talking about it, 858 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: which I did. Because the show ended, it could have 859 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: just been like, oh, well, you know what happened to Lukisha, 860 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: But now it was a moment and I used that 861 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: momentum to take me into, you know, my next thing 862 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: with the Shy and to go from working with Courtney Kemp, 863 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: who was a mentor and one of my closest friends 864 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: are just an amazing human being and writer. And then 865 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: to leave that and go rock with Lena and the 866 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: crew over there. I mean, I'm blessed. Man. I'm just 867 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: so so grateful for attitude of gratitude, that gratitude because listen, 868 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: you keep evolving and that I feel like it's a 869 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: great message in this moment, you know, of especially all 870 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: of this chaos and feeling and quite lost in sort 871 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: of a drift because we don't know when things are 872 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: gonna end. We don't know what to do. Some people 873 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: are waiting for things to get back to normal, you know, 874 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: before moving on or getting back to what they always did. 875 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: But perhaps it's like using the time to reinvent. Yeah, 876 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's that's a great thing. Reinvent 877 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,479 Speaker 1: yourself in business, reinvent yourself in your your personal life. 878 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: Just reinvent how you feel about yourself. Constantly do mental 879 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,760 Speaker 1: health checks on yourself. And like I say, it's okay 880 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: to not have it all together all the time. Everybody 881 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: is struggling during this time. It's hard for all of us. 882 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: And if you feel yourself getting to that point or unraveling, 883 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: not being afraid to call a friend or call someone 884 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: for some help, because this is a lot for everybody. 885 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: You're not meant to have it all together every single day, 886 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. You're gonna have your ups 887 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: and downs and you have to be okay with that. 888 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: It don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah, no, that's true. 889 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: How are you keeping your your mental health? Like? What 890 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: are you doing for I think selfcare is such a buzzword, 891 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: and that's not really what I'm asking, but it's it's like, 892 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: how are you keeping yourself feeling good and motivated? And 893 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, I have, Uh, I have people that I 894 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: go to when I'm feeling down. I talked to Sometimes 895 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: it's me saying a prayer, sometimes reading a book. Sometimes 896 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: it's meditation, um, whatever. It is, like you have to 897 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: find what that thing is. Talking to a therapist, which 898 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: is something that you know has been super helpful and 899 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,399 Speaker 1: you know for a long time, especially with us, it's 900 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: like therapy, Like what is therapy? Like I remember my 901 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: mom saying, you know, people would say, you know, only 902 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: crazy people go to therapy. I'm like, well, the crazy 903 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: people seem to have got it figured out because we 904 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: should have been going to therapy and it's so helpful 905 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: and you can't be ashamed of it. So whatever you 906 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: have to do. But you know, it's just about constantly 907 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 1: checking in with yourself and understanding that you're not supposed 908 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: to have it all together all the time. They're gonna 909 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: be good days, it's gonna be the bad days. That's 910 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: part of living, that's part of the process. But just 911 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: recognizing on those bad days what's causing it to be 912 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: a bad day, and how do you get yourself, you know, 913 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: out of that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if there's 914 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: one thing that I learned from you, girl, that regardless 915 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: of the situation, be it personal, professional, whatever, you find 916 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: a way to rise up out of it. And I 917 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: thank you, like I said it, seeingly proud of you, 918 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: um and very very grateful for your time. Thank you, 919 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: Thank you had a great shot. I can't wait till 920 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: this is over so I can actually hug you, because 921 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: this social I don't like this. I want to give 922 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: you a hug. I want to hug like hell, I 923 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: just want to see how you guys are doing. But 924 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: I love you and I'm so proud of everything you're doing. 925 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: And you know, we talk all the time, so we'll 926 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: talk to exactly. I'll call you later. All right. I 927 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: could keep talking to La La forever. But that's it 928 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: for this week's episode of Back to Bis with Katie 929 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: and Bows. I hope you all enjoyed it. I had 930 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: a ton of fun. So if you're not already, make 931 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcast, the 932 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, or wherever you listen to your 933 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: favorite shows. 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