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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today in the show, we are exploring

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Speaker 1: the highs, lows, and lessons learned from my first experience

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Speaker 1: bow hunting white tails in the suburbs of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: With the one and only Taylor Chamberlain. All Right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: First Life, and today, as I just mentioned, we are

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Speaker 1: going to dive into my hunt earlier this year in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Yep, that's right. I was out there hunting

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhoods the suburbs of our nation's capital, and

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Speaker 1: I was out there with Taylor Chamberlain, who I will

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Speaker 1: give you some more details on here shortly, but first

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Speaker 1: let's recap what this hunt was all about. You likely

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Speaker 1: maybe if you listen to some of our past episodes,

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Speaker 1: you might understand what I've been up to this fall.

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Speaker 1: But let me recap just in case you missed those. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm filming a new show for me either this year

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Speaker 1: that is about white tail honey across the country and

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Speaker 1: the different unique traditions and styles and cultures of pursuing

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Speaker 1: these critters that we all love, but in wildly different

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Speaker 1: places and in wildly different ways across the country. And

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Speaker 1: the first of those was this d C hunt. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm filming this year. The show is going to come

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Speaker 1: out next year. Um, I'm four episodes in at this point,

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Speaker 1: and now I want to kick off this recap series

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Speaker 1: of podcasts where I'm gonna go through each one of

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Speaker 1: those hunts with the special guests that I visited with,

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Speaker 1: with some of my camera crew that was out there

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Speaker 1: with me, and recap what I did, what we experience

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Speaker 1: into these different places, what I learned along the way, um,

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Speaker 1: and then you know how the hunts themselves went. And

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Speaker 1: here's the thing about this year. This year has really

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Speaker 1: been about learning. Uh. For a long time, I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this podcast, and I've I've traveled a decent bit, right,

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Speaker 1: but but most of my stuff is in the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: Most of my stuff is you know, your standard tree,

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Speaker 1: relating to agricultural land, YadA, YadA, YadA. And that's great,

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Speaker 1: that's fun. I love doing that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of different other ways out

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Speaker 1: lot of you listening who come from different regions of

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Speaker 1: the country, and you've probably been listening to these shows

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Speaker 1: and thinking to yourself, Man, yeah, that's interesting, but it's

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Speaker 1: not like what I do here at home, or it's

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Speaker 1: not like the deer I hunt here, or it's not

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Speaker 1: could understand where you're coming from, where I could understand

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Speaker 1: and have some degree of context, some experience that would

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Speaker 1: these different parts of the country. So so that's why

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Speaker 1: I did what I did this year. That's why I

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Speaker 1: wanted to take on this new project. And the gist

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Speaker 1: of each episode is this, I go to some different,

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Speaker 1: on my Washington, d C. Suburbs. So I'm here Taylor

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Speaker 1: Chamberlain and Justin Michelle. Taylor, Justin, thanks for getting back

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Speaker 1: we have two careful saying partners in crime when we're

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Speaker 1: talking about urban hunting. It's a good point committed in

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Speaker 1: sounds great man. And first off, thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: Would you say that's a fair and accurate statement? Oh dude,

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Speaker 1: it is so so true, so true, because what you

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Speaker 1: that bubble is, where the human interaction bubble is, and

431
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: try to get as close to the edge of it

432
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: without instruding too far into it to trigger that response,

433
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: but still get yourself in a position where you're able

434
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: to shoot a deer. And so that comes from doing

435
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: your scouting, doing your homework, figuring out how those deer

436
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: are moving. And that's where we were talking about kind

437
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: of like these deer move like water, where you know

438
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna move through an area that has the path

439
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: of least resistance. To them just like water does. And

440
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: I think you and I were talking about how you're

441
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: a big fisherman, and that really resonated with you because

442
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: it's the same way that you look at gear moving

443
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: or excuse me, fish moving or feeding when they're kind

444
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: of waiting behind a bullet or whatnot. Right and and um,

445
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, I I like to look at the property

446
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: from an aerial view and make a educated guess as

447
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: to how I think deer going to move to these

448
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: connected areas, because the deer kind of like to run

449
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: a circuit. The deer always getting bumped around there. You know.

450
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: They might be because the landscapers are out there. Might

451
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: be because you know, the dogs off leash and running

452
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: after them, or something spooked them, whatever it is. They

453
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: seem to kind of always be moving through their home range.

454
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: And that home range is pretty large, um. And so

455
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: what they're doing is there if you look from above

456
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: and you can see those connected chunks there, that's where

457
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: deer are going to flow, much like a water pipe

458
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: or a creek or however you want to, um think

459
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: about it yourself to to you know, make that analogy stick.

460
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: But I like to think of it like water. And

461
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: I try to find where that water is flowing and

462
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: and get to a spot where I can do my homework,

463
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: get permission, and and then get in there um. And

464
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: that's where doing your homework and trying to figure out

465
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: where that bubble is is the next best thing. I

466
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people try to dive in

467
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: and find a spot that they think looks really deery,

468
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: or a spot that you know traditionally is where you

469
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: were hunts, and that's where they go wrong because by

470
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: the time you get to the tree that's quote unquote deary,

471
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: you've blown this deer out of it. There, Like those

472
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: deer sitting there, they're watching you. As soon as you

473
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: cross thee their bubble, they're gone. And I think a

474
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: really good example of that was where we actually hunted

475
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: that first night, right because we talked out our access

476
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: and how we walked in there. I knew where the

477
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: deerer bedding, I knew what they could see and what

478
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: they couldn't see. And we picked a tree that was

479
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: right on the edge of the yard overlooking that point

480
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: where we thought those deer, we're we're going to come

481
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: up the point into the yark um. And that spot

482
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: probably didn't look good traditionally for you guys being normal hunters,

483
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, I mean I'm not normally looking

484
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: for a tree inside a yard, that's for sure. I

485
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: would I would have wanted to go further down that

486
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: point probably. Um, But your point is, your point is

487
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: a good one about understanding the bubble, and and that

488
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: really ended up being pretty key the whole week when

489
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: you would see what these deer learned to accept and

490
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: what they learned not to accept, and being right on

491
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: that side, right there in the edge of the yard

492
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: allows you to you know, not go past and into

493
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: their danger zone. Um. So yeah, I mean it made

494
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: sense once you described it, and then we'll shoot. I

495
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: mean we climbed up in that tree, and it kind

496
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: of worked in a lot of ways, kind of just

497
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: how you would expect it to, both the good and

498
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: the bad. I mean, I think that night you described

499
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: it as kind of the perfect example of what an

500
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: urban hunt can be like, right, Yeah. I mean we

501
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: got we walked in to the sound of mowers and

502
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: just ripping. I mean there were mowmowers everywhere and were

503
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: a couple of houses away, and I thought that was

504
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: because actually it was going to push the deer over

505
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: towards us, and then you know again the deer and

506
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: nother bubble. They're very comfortable with people mowing grass and

507
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: blow and leaves. I really try to go in for

508
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: an afternoon hunt when I know the landscapers are there. Um.

509
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: The deer really like to eat grass that have had

510
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: leaves on top of them that they are freshly blown off,

511
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: Like they will run in after landscapers leaves, uh, that

512
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: have just finished one leaves. So I try to keep

513
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: their schedules and know where they're gonna come by. And

514
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: I try to donate a lot of deer to to

515
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: those different h employees of those places so that they'll

516
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: tell me when they're going to properties that they know

517
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: I hunt. Try and create something sent up for them

518
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: to let me know um when they're going, and kind

519
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: of built some camaraderie and team teamwork there. But um,

520
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: we walked into a lot of mowers blowing, which was

521
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: great cover. We climbed up. We we took a path

522
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: that we've probably most people wouldn't take. We kind of

523
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: hung around the side of the property and kept some

524
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: bushes between us and where we expected the deer to

525
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: be betting and uh, most people probably walk right down

526
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: the middle of that yard. And then we climbed the

527
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: tree right on the edge, and uh, you know, justin

528
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: you guys got set up and we thought we were

529
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: in good shape. And then mowers got closer and closer,

530
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: and then we saw some guys cutting grass and property,

531
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: riding their mower up and down, and then finally they stopped,

532
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: and almost as soon as they stopped, the geer started moving. Yeah,

533
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: it seemed like that was going to be the dinner bell.

534
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: The mowers stopped. You spotted I think it was you

535
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: who spotted some deer down the bottom, and then they

536
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: started moving our way, and they were kind of heading

537
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: up this There was a couple of little ditches of

538
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: sorts or kind of draws that were on either side

539
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: of this yard. And you described how likely these deer

540
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: either come right up the point or move across the

541
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: edge of one of these drainages across in front of us.

542
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: You and I were sitting in a tree together, and

543
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: they started going that way, and then well what happened there?

544
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: Did they was that when they were coming our way

545
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: and then something spooked him and they ran off. Was

546
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: that it was that that encounter they just spooked out

547
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: of nowhere. They were, I mean pretty close to being

548
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: in green Light string Dunk territory. Um they were. They

549
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: just needed to come cross out from some bushes, um.

550
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: And I think Justine, you probably had the best view

551
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: of them based on your angle and where they were working.

552
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, they just turned inside out and

553
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: they were behind the bushes, but they clearly did not

554
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: see us. Maybe the thermal started dropping. I mean that

555
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: was pretty close to sunset, so it's possible. But they

556
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: got the heck out of dodge and and blew out

557
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: of there. And that's again a really good example of

558
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: how did your react with their bubble is breached? Right?

559
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, those deer did not question it. They you know,

560
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people assumed that because you're hunting in

561
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: the suburbs, you can get away with a lot of

562
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: human scent. The deer used to smelling humans. But they're

563
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: smelling the humans and so when they smell them and

564
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: then they get that visual identification, they're like, okay, I

565
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: smell Mr Johnson on his porch. That's fine. Well, if

566
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: they get a really strong sniff of human and they

567
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: had no idea where where that human is that's what

568
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: triggers them into a very you know, predatory prey type response,

569
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll booker exactly like those deer did. Um

570
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: and I thought we were done for. But then we

571
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: had a handful of deer come from where they really

572
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: should not have come from, which were between the two

573
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: houses where the motors had just been. So who knows

574
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: if if those are gotten kicked up or something from

575
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: the from the neighbors. But they circled around and always

576
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: got shot off. But they were like thirty three thirty

577
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: four yards out, and uh, just we weren't going to

578
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: send it at dusk at thirty four yards on a

579
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: super alert does so sometimes the best shot that you

580
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: can take in the suburbs is not taking the shot

581
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: because um, you know, and we talked about this some

582
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: hunting small properties. Marsian ship is is key. Yeah, I

583
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: mean that that was one of the most important things

584
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: that you impressed upon me, was just how you know,

585
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: there's there's no room for error when you're bow hunting

586
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: in the suburbs because any little mistake, anything that's not

587
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: a perfect shot, can lead to a lot of challenges.

588
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: You kind of ran me through some rules, some things

589
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: that you you know you do when it comes to

590
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: like choosing the kinds of shots you'll take in this environment.

591
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: You even talked about some gear considerations. Can you walk

592
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: me through that stuff? What those how you think about

593
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: max range or the types of shots you take and

594
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: and all of that. How's that unique in this environment? Absolutely? So.

595
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: The difference between a deer running forty yards and piling

596
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: up in a deer that's running a hundred and fifty

597
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: yards and piling up is night and day. That's the

598
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: difference between a quick recovery back to your truck, awesome

599
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: morning or evening hunt and knocking on three, four or

600
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: five doors, you know, eventually finding your deer, getting yelled

601
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: at by all those homeowners, and then eventually losing permission

602
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: on the property that you hunted from. Um So, it's

603
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: it's important that you're not just ten ringing deer. You're

604
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: hitting the twelve ring and you're putting them down absolutely

605
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: as fast as possible. I do not shoot deer unless

606
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: they are broad side or slightly quartered away, and I

607
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: do not shoot deer unless they are under twenty yards. Sometimes,

608
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: if there's a deer that is super calm and the

609
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: conditions are perfect, and I'm reading your body language. I

610
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: might shoot one at like twenty two or twenty five

611
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: yards max. But I will never ever ever shoot a

612
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: gear and not use my top pen um, just because

613
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: there is a lot of stuff that can happen between

614
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: a deer at eighteen yards and a dear at thirty

615
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: two yards. Can I make that shot? Absolutely? I'm a

616
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: boat nerd. I shoot at long distances all the time.

617
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: I have like an absolutely you know, insane tuning process, etcetera.

618
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: But it's just imperative that the deer that you shoot,

619
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: you hit right at the top of the heart. You

620
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: take out their lungs and they they were in fifteen

621
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: yards and pile up um. And for that, I'm shooting

622
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: insanely heavy arrow. Well, not insanely, I'm shoting a five

623
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five grain arrow, and I'm shooting a

624
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: very large cut on contact broadhead because what I'm trying

625
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: to do is blow through the absolute top of that heart.

626
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: If I can take out some of that front landing gear,

627
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: I love to do that so they snowplow and sad

628
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: of running dead on their feet. Um. And it's just

629
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: very important to to get the deer down as fast

630
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: as possible. There even some properties of the hunt where

631
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I will put on a giant, expandable broadhead because I

632
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: know that I'm only gonna be taking a twelve yard

633
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: shot and I'm not gonna be hitting any bone, and

634
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: I need to put that giant coke can size hole

635
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: through the deer as opposed to a smaller fixed plate

636
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: type chopped. Yeah, and and that that whole line of Um,

637
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: this whole lesson, I guess is is definitely one that

638
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: stuck with me coming out of this hunt. Um, as

639
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: I had some experiences along these lines that proved a

640
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: lot of what you discussed to be true. Um, But

641
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: that night, I mean, you didn't take the shot in

642
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: that dough. She was a little too far to arrange,

643
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: and that was that was it. There was a good

644
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: lesson for us to learn to see you pass up

645
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: a shot there when she you know, it looked like

646
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: a great opportunity, but to your point, not a risk

647
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: worth taking. Um. Justin what did you think about that

648
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: first hunt, seeing Taylor set up, seeing Taylor's way of

649
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: going about things, Do anything stand out on that whole thing,

650
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: either with what he did or how the whole they went, Well,

651
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because, like you know, in our typical

652
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: hunting scenarios, there's like to you know, we go into

653
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: it knowing like we want to make an ethical shot,

654
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: we want to like do our due diligence, um to

655
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: put this animal down quick. But there is a level

656
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: of um angst that that I felt going into these

657
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: situations like that first night hunt. I mean, you you

658
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: have to break these properties down at such a micro

659
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: level that it's I mean it is like next level really,

660
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: because you know, if I go hunt a fifty acre

661
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: piece and I have some timber, and I know they're

662
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: going to uh food egg field over here, a food platter, whatever,

663
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: there's always like some padding, you know. And when we

664
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: went in that first night, you know, it was great

665
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: because we we had the blessing of these people to

666
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: be able to hunt there and hearing their story and knowing,

667
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: like one, like, these are real people's like daily lives

668
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: that are being like you know, pretty pretty heavily interrupted

669
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: um by the deer, which I don't experience that in

670
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: my day to day. So like it's a huge problem.

671
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: So you're you're really doing a good thing for these people,

672
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: and so going into their yard and knowing like okay,

673
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: well this like they have our back here. Um. And

674
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: but then when you get back there, it's like while

675
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: I ought to be easy, you know, like we're standing

676
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: there talking these deer at like twenty or thirty yards

677
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: like feeding there looking at us like at home, no way,

678
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, and um, but you have like a three

679
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: anchor piece that is like mostly mode lawn in a house.

680
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: But there's such a micro level that this whole process

681
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: has to be out because like Taylor said, like you

682
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: you have to get in and you have to do

683
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: that right. And even like the way we were set

684
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: up that night, Um, you know, I think we had

685
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: three different trees, guys in three different trees, and like

686
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: those deer, uh they did exactly what you thought they

687
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: would do and using that to rain. But man, like

688
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: like you said that there was like zero tolerance for

689
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary, which which was pretty surprising

690
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: to me. I'm thinking, like, you know, these people, Ali,

691
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: there's guys mowing all around us. But and that somehow

692
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: seemed really normal to these deer. But they come up

693
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: and like I really think what happened was at that

694
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: time and night that we did have some thermal shift

695
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: and it started to pull into that bottom and there

696
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: there was deer coming from like two different directions, and

697
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: there was one dough that just was like suit like

698
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: she just was on edge and she ended up like

699
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 1: alerting everything. But man, it's just like looking at that,

700
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean that little chunk was like not not you

701
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: know what a quarter of an acre and that was

702
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: like the spot you know. So it's cool to see

703
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: like how fine tuned you have to be with your

704
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: wind in a yard that's like you know, like just

705
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: everything is so condensed. But um, it's cool because it

706
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: kind of takes it to another level because you don't

707
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: have the wiggle room. Like one, you got to be

708
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: on your game with your set and understanding your your

709
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: winning your thermals. But you also like have to you know,

710
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: like Taylor said, you can't be taken like thirty five

711
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: forty yard pokes idea like that, Um that are coming

712
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: in just like expecting something to be like wrong. You know, yeah,

713
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: I think that. I think what you said, the fact

714
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: that there's there's there's no padding, like there's no wiggle room.

715
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: That that is I think the overarching theme of everything,

716
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: like there's no room for error, whether it be with

717
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: how far you push in, whether that be with how

718
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: long shots you take, whether that be with how you

719
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: manage relationships. It seems like that, you know, it's just

720
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: the little things really matter in this kind of hunting environment,

721
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: which which brings us, I think kind of nicely to

722
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: what we had to do the next day, which was

723
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: this whole relationship side of things in a to a degree. Uh,

724
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Now that I got to hunt with you, Taylor, once,

725
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: it was now up to me to try to go

726
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: and do it on my own and get my own permission,

727
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: to see if I could get my own permission at least. Um,

728
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: you had some spots that I could hunt, but I

729
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: wanted to try to get my own spots to to

730
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of have the whole experience. Um. So that morning

731
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: we went over to your house and kind of walk

732
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: through your best ideas, like your best practices for knocking

733
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: on doors, for finding spots, um, kind of the Tailor

734
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: Chamberlain approach to getting hunting permission. So I ran through

735
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: that whole deal with you, and then I took off

736
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: on my own. You want to give us cliff notes

737
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: on some of your hot tips for getting permission in

738
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: these kinds of places before I discuss how my attempts

739
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: actually went. Yeah, so, um, in in our area in

740
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: northern Virginia, people tend to be very abrasive. You know,

741
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: it's the city man, like, you're not you you don't

742
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: have this communal neighborhood where you're like really good buddies

743
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: with your neighbors. Most people don't want you at their drawer.

744
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: They don't know why you're there. And so to build

745
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: rapport instantly, I mean it's really no different than any

746
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: other type of sales. You're just selling yourself instead of

747
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: selling a product. Um, And so you know, if you

748
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: can try to build instant rapport, just try to communicate clearly,

749
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: and the biggest key is to just not be intimidated.

750
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: Like if you're confident in yourself and what you're saying,

751
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: people will believe in you and they'll understand and and

752
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, I try to not have emotional conversations with

753
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: people about the gear because emotions you can't control on somebody. Um.

754
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, we all feel differently about lots of different things,

755
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: and the three of us are very like minded people

756
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: on this call, But I'm sure that there are things

757
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: that we could talk about that all three of us

758
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: are very passionately, you know, opposed to how we feel

759
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: about things. But you can't argue with facts, and so

760
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: I try to very softly and not ambrasively state my

761
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: facts interlineated with the service that I'm providing and explain

762
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: why it's important, and um, you know, I do that

763
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of socratically by asking a lot of questions and

764
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: just try to build report. And then also it's all

765
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: relationship building. And I think you guys got to see

766
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: some of the relationships that I've built with these homeowners

767
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: and the report that I have with them, and you know,

768
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: by doing that, you're able to then build kind of

769
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: a referral based network and have the clients that you

770
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: have reach out on behalf of you to their friends.

771
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: And that's where getting permission like this really snowballs, because

772
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: even if you do knock on a thousand doors, you

773
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: get to communicate clearly with those people, hunt them appropriately,

774
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: provide a quality service for them, and and I guarantee

775
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: you one thousand percent guarantee you at some point very

776
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: soon that homeowner will ask you what can I do

777
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: to thank you? And you say, hey, just tell all

778
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: your friends that you know what I'm doing and give

779
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: them my number. To this day, I get more phone

780
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: calls in a week of properties than I can hunt.

781
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: And there are people asking me to come over and

782
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: hunt their properties because somebody that I hunted on their

783
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: property of told them about me. And much like anything

784
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: else in life, you know, a referral from somebody that

785
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: is a trust and source carries an unquantifiable weight with it.

786
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: You know, if if you guys were somewhere and I said, oh, hey,

787
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: you gotta go try this, you know Irish restaurant, You're

788
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna go there probably without even thinking about it, right,

789
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: You're just gonna be like, oh, te are some of

790
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: those place is awesome? Like I'm gonna go there, and

791
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: it's it's no different than anything else. Doctors and service providers,

792
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: and you know I'm a service provider. I just I'm

793
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: more of an exterminator than a than an attorney or

794
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: a doctor. But yeah, you know, service is being provided.

795
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: That's that's needed. So builder poor and and speak confidently

796
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: and and not facts. And there's some data that supports

797
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: your case. Because you can't argue with data, you can't

798
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: argue with math. You can argue with feelings and you

799
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: will lose that argument ten times out of time. Yeah, yeah,

800
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good way to kind of sum

801
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: it all up, Taylor, and I tried to take the

802
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: approach that I've used knocking on doors in more rural

803
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: areas and and kind of combine that with some of

804
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: the stuff you said. And a couple of things that

805
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: stuck with me were the fact that you kept telling

806
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: me to make sure you answer their questions before they

807
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: have them, and do it quickly, like, don't give them

808
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: an opportunity to object before you're able to lay out

809
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: the base sick important things, you know, the basic important

810
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: things being why you're there, how you're gonna do this safely,

811
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: and what problem you're solving. I think of those are

812
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: the main things I was trying to get across, UM,

813
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: and I really tried to try to distill it down

814
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: into a tight, short, quick and succinct kind of introduction

815
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: and explanation. Um. Sometimes when I'm knocking on doors in

816
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: the middle of the country, you know, I think people

817
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: out there prefer a little bit more winding approach. A

818
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of these people are like inviting you into their

819
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: homes and asking you to have a bite to eat,

820
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: and they just want to talk to someone. I didn't

821
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, people like do you see the lad

822
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: bad banking man? We wanted to what do you Why

823
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: are you here? I mean a lot of people will

824
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: answer to say what do you want? Yeah, I'm like, hey,

825
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm Taylor, break down the street. I'm not selling anything.

826
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm here to solve a problem for

827
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: you for free. You're welcome, and because it's going away,

828
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: just trying to create some sort of incentive there to

829
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: get their attention before they just think that you're some

830
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: salesman or you're trying to get in their pocket. You know,

831
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: when you're making somebody's doorbell, they are very defensive. You know,

832
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: why are you here? What do you want? You're trying

833
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: to get my money, You're trying to ask me for something.

834
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: You're interrupting me at some point of my day. You

835
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: know that they're they're they're very much on their heels.

836
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: And so I try to do a lot of things

837
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: and you hit the nail on the head. I try

838
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: to answer their questions before they asked them, and and

839
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: that makes something very confident. When you do that, you know,

840
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: like it's really no different than any other sales type tactic.

841
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: You're just selling yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh so basically

842
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: at after you kind of ram me through all that stuff,

843
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: we went through and looked on Onyx and just pinned

844
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of different houses that you thought had good

845
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: potential or were in areas where you've seen deer in

846
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: the past, and just some spots worth checking out. Um.

847
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: And then I hit the row and uh, it was

848
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like a CI A covert mission

849
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: or something. I had Justin and Chase in the vent

850
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: or in the STV and we're driving like secret Service

851
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: black um Forward Expeditions or something, and uh Jason Justin

852
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: had the cameras, and then I was in the front

853
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: seat driving around and I don't know how many pins

854
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: I had, but I ended up gosh, do you remember

855
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the number justin. I think it was something like twelve

856
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: or thirteen houses that okay, Yeah, so I ended up

857
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: going up to and asking for permission at thirteen places. Um.

858
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, the first thing that really stood

859
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: out to me about these places in these neighborhoods that

860
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: I was in was that not only are they kind

861
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: of in the city and you know, wham bam, thank

862
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: you man type people, but like they were all almost

863
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: all like mega mansions, like I've never been I don't

864
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: think I've been in a place like neighborhoods where there's

865
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: in such a concentration of of wealth and big, huge

866
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: homes like just everywhere, Like every little road you turned down,

867
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: it's like mega mansion, mega mansion, mega mansion. You go

868
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: down another way, here's a whole another slew of these places.

869
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: You go down another road, there's I mean, there's just everywhere.

870
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: And some of these places are just like way back,

871
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: like you drive down some like quarter mile or half

872
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: mile drive and gates here and gates there, and security

873
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: cameras everywhere, and then you come into this called the

874
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: sack that's a private calder sack with fountains in the

875
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: middle and like a private basketball court or basketball court.

876
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: And I mean, I've never felt so uncomfortable in my life, Taylor.

877
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I think as when I was pulling up to some

878
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: of these people's houses and just thinking like, Okay, at

879
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: any point, like an armed guard is gonna apprehend me,

880
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: or someone's gonna be really upset that I'm back here.

881
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, was it very it's very typic and that's

882
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: where a lot of people, I think Paul short is.

883
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, it's a

884
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: numbers game, right, and I can network and use my

885
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: spiel and use the you know, the knowledge that I've

886
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: built over the last twelve plus. Ye're doing this but

887
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: for fourteen years now, jeez um, But there's just no

888
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: substitute for you know, trying to stay calm, and you

889
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: get those butterflies walking up to the door because I

890
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: still get them, and you gotta ask, and you gotta

891
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: knock on the door. And the thing that I always

892
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: tell myself when I'm at the driveway and I'm like

893
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: trying to talk myself out of that kind of that

894
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: that like devil on your shoulder and the angel on

895
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: the other shoulder kind of thing, is I just tell myself, Hey,

896
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: the answers already know, so you might as well ask

897
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: and verify, right, because unless you ask, the answer will

898
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: always be no. So effort, maybe you get it. Yes,

899
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: let's go come on. And and that's what I told

900
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: myself thousands of times a year to motivate me and

901
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: go walk down and bring the gate doorbell and um

902
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: and try to get permission. And you know, you just

903
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: have to be comfortable being told a lot of things

904
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: of of no, and all kinds of things about yourself

905
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: that aren't true or maybe they are, but you're gonna

906
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: hear a lot of stuff, and you just have to

907
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: keep reminding yourself like, hey man, the answer is gonna

908
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: be no unless you ask. So let's let's go verify it.

909
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: And and like keep on keeping on. And you know

910
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: the other thing to really consider, and I think we

911
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: talked about this, but don't ever rule out the property.

912
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: Don't ever go like, oh, that property is so big

913
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: and perfect. I bet you know. They always get asked

914
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: because I find it's kind of like the really hot

915
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: girls at the bar that everybody's so intimidated by them,

916
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: they're not talking right. And and so of course that

917
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: was a long time ago for me because I sit,

918
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: but um, when there's a property that looks really, really

919
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: really good, go try because again, like the answers, no

920
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: until you ask. And some of my best best properties,

921
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean humongous properties are ones that I thought, there's

922
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: no way this is gonna work, kind of scoffing at myself,

923
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: and next you know, I'm like, holy smokes. I can't

924
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: believe I just ended up or you know whatever it

925
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: is right and in places is crong with deer, and

926
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and then I have to figure out which one of

927
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: my buddies I can bring in to help manage the place. Right. So, um,

928
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: just never ever ever assume anything and go have a

929
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: conversation with people. And I try to give them my

930
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: phone number and just say, hey, if anything changes, give

931
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: me a call, right, because sometimes they'll call you back

932
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: and they'll say, hey, you know, I talked to my wife,

933
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: or I thought about it and or I started noticing

934
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: there are a ton of deer in my yard and

935
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: please come shoot them all. So you just never know

936
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: until you tried. I was with I was with you, Mark,

937
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: because nothing says don't talk to me, leave me alone,

938
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: like a like ten thousand dollar gate and cameras hanging

939
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: off of trees. Uh. The anxiety that you felt, I

940
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: think I told you was like it was just like

941
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: oozing out of that car, like everything every door, every

942
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: door you went to guys like, oh my gosh, I

943
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: want to throw up. Mark. You're on top of it,

944
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: because once you got permission, you then have to be like, oh,

945
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: by the way, these are my buddies with these really

946
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: nice cameras and they need to come with me. Also,

947
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: we need you to sign this whole other piece of

948
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: paper now, right, So that's like a mother layer. Um.

949
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: That was tough, and we tried to kind of talk

950
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: about some different angles of of how to appreict that

951
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: as well in a productive way. But at the end

952
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: of the day, like, people are different and and they

953
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: have different reasons for want of us shop here, and

954
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: you can never really assume either why they want you there.

955
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I would be willing to to bet

956
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: that every property owner that I had permission on, either

957
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: they or one person removed from them that they know,

958
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: has either had limes disease or hit a deer with

959
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: their car. And and those are a lot of the

960
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: reasons that they're like and again we're back to how

961
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: to get permission. That's factual. It's like, yeah, Susie had

962
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: limes disease, or yes, like Becky hit a deer with

963
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: her car and totaled it, or Jim did you know whatever,

964
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: Like those are factual things they happen, and those are

965
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: things that point to overpopulation and and what we're trying

966
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: to take care of yea. Um, so so I tried

967
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: it and knocked on like you said justin doors. Um

968
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: you said that the anxiety was palpable. Justin Um what

969
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: did you think about? I mean, you watched me do

970
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: what I did? What did you think about? How went?

971
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: What do you think about my spiel? Uh? What stood

972
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: about that whole experience? Well, that was the closest I've

973
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: ever been to be in the Secret Service because I

974
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: had an I had a camera on you, but I

975
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: also had an earbud and and could hear every one

976
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: of your conversations and uh, you know, like when you

977
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: got back in the car, I was like, dude, like

978
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're doing this, but if anybody

979
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: could do this, like you're the guy because um, you

980
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: know again you're immediately caught off guard because you're like

981
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: entering people's sanctuaries, you know, and then once you get

982
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: up there, they are like, wait, how did you get

983
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: in here? Kind of and but you know, like as

984
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: soon as you would start, uh, it was it was

985
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: just like great because you and I'm sure Taylor is

986
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: the same way, Like he he has like worked up

987
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: a speech that like he said the facts and and

988
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: you going into that, um you just like you you

989
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,479
Speaker 1: knew what the you know, the issues that they're having.

990
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: These homeowners are knowing the same thing. Um. And when

991
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: you when they rejected you or they said no or uh,

992
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: like you were always like dead on with your your responses.

993
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: So I was like, I was, like, I said, you

994
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: were the guy to do that. I would have probably

995
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: quit after the first note and just like found in

996
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: McDonald's UM. But like, yeah, it was you know, it

997
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: wasn't It was encouraging because you know, in in this

998
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: outdoor world, we hear you know, you there's a lot

999
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: of people that have voices in that that can speak

1000
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: into this industry or to our lifestyles that have no

1001
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: idea what what it's like. And I think we were

1002
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: at the some of those doors and it was great

1003
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: to hear like the openness that people you know, they

1004
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: would tell you know, but then you would have a

1005
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: chance to then, um, explain what you were doing or

1006
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: why you were doing it, and then hearing their rebuttals

1007
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: and uh, their opinions and whatnot. Like I really think

1008
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: that even though we got like a lot of nose um,

1009
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: we also were able to kind of uh, you know,

1010
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: maybe plant some seeds of like okay, like you know,

1011
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: all these hunters are not the same, you know, And

1012
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: here is another way we could think about, like possibly

1013
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: attacking a situation where you know, my kid could get

1014
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: lines disease in the yard like that. The first lady

1015
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: said that she didn't want to have her grandkids over

1016
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: because she doesn't want them to have like have to

1017
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: play in a yard where there's ticks everywhere. Um. And

1018
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: so even though we heard some nose like those might

1019
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: be yeses for Taylor, you know and the future, because

1020
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: of the conversations that you had again, I felt like

1021
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: it was super informative, um, because there was a lot

1022
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: of the information you're given out was like stuff that

1023
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: these people probably had never heard. So I thought it

1024
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: went really well despite all the knows that we got

1025
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: really bring up a good point there justin and that

1026
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: you know everybody well, again, I don't want to generalize

1027
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: to say everyone. The majority of people that I talked

1028
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: to have never ever met a hunch or before. And

1029
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of a lot of properties

1030
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: that I had permission on that started with a no.

1031
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: And and I always will ask like, well, why you know,

1032
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: do you mind if I ask why the answers know,

1033
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: because I mean, now we're going down in flames, right,

1034
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: Like the answer is no, so we might as well

1035
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: put me downloading and uh but I mean and and

1036
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: then when they say well, because it's barbaric or something,

1037
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: and you can say, well, you know, actually it's not,

1038
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: you can have a counterpoint to it. That's that's factual.

1039
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: And you know, what you'll find out is that a

1040
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: lot of people have really no concept what hunting is about.

1041
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: And they understand, you know, right now. And it's very

1042
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: common to be you know, cognizant of what you're eating too.

1043
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: Maybe want to eat on the organic stuff or grass

1044
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: bed or you know, non non hormonal stuff, and you're

1045
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: going like, well, hey, I'm sorting organic protein my family, right,

1046
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: And and so what's different than me going to Whole

1047
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: Fuits and paying forty bucks a pound for bison or

1048
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: me helping you remove these gear from your property and

1049
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: feeding my family with them. Um, it's hard to our

1050
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: do that, right. And and I've had many, many many

1051
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: homeowners tell me, you know, once you get to know me,

1052
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: they'll say, you know, you're not what I expected. And

1053
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: I want to asking them, like, what do you mean

1054
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: by that, I know their answer. They expect elm or fun, right.

1055
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: They expect somebody that is, um, you know, the stereotypical

1056
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: hunter and not somebody that they'd want to hang out

1057
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: with and have a beer with and have a conversation with.

1058
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: And UM, you know, we're fortunate that we're getting to

1059
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: kind of change people's perception of of hunters. And you

1060
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head that we're not all

1061
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: the same, Like, you know, we can be educated, it's

1062
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: still hunt we can you know, we can do this

1063
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: ethically and responsibly and um, in an appropriate manner. That's

1064
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: beneficial for everybody. And it's really kind of cool to

1065
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: watch people who have had never been experienced to hunting

1066
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah. I felt the same way. And

1067
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: I felt like even even with all those nose, I

1068
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: felt that at least all of an opportunity to be

1069
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: a positive light, to be to be like, uh, one

1070
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: representative of the hunting community that they get to have

1071
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: some kind of engagement with and if that can be

1072
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: positive or surprisingly better than they expected or intriguing, you know,

1073
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: I did something good there. So so yeah, I mean

1074
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: there was there was a couple of people who were

1075
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: you know that talked to who were you know who

1076
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: described bad experiences they've had with past hunters. Uh. There

1077
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: were a couple of people who were just like hesitant

1078
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: about the whole thing in general. There was one person

1079
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: that I went and talked to where the husband answered

1080
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: the door, and he was very dismissive of it, like

1081
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: he was. He was probably the most um agitated that

1082
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: I was there and like, what do you mean? What

1083
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: what were you doing here? There's no problem? Why, there's no,

1084
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: there's not too many deer. Just he was like angry

1085
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: I was there. Um. But then his wife came up

1086
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: behind him, and she, uh, she was very different. She

1087
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: was really curious about it. She kept asking questions and

1088
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: he was trying to push her off, not physically, but

1089
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean he was trying to be He was like, no, no, no,

1090
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: this is fine. He's like, no, well, let's just just Kevin,

1091
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: get out of here. Stop asking these questions. And she said, well,

1092
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious, why why do you do this?

1093
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: How do you do this? Or you do use a bow?

1094
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: Or this is legal? How do you guys? How do

1095
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: you guys manage these situations? And eventually he stormed out

1096
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: of there, but every once in a while he like

1097
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: yelled from the kitchen to like just close the door,

1098
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: just let's get back to what we're doing. He was

1099
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: very irritated. And she stood there and asked me questions

1100
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: for I don't know, minutes, fifteen minutes something like that. UM.

1101
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: And we ended up having I think a really productive conversation,

1102
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: and I think she left it, you know, having learned

1103
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: some stuff. And she was like thanking me. She said, oh,

1104
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: this is really interesting, this is great to kind of

1105
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: learn about this. UM. And then there was a handful

1106
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: of people who were just kind of like they didn't care.

1107
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: They're kind of like, you know, I'm fine, I'm fine

1108
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: with hunters, but I just don't want someone here to

1109
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 1: just be a bother. I don't want to worry about

1110
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: people around here. I've got a guy already, the hunts here. UM.

1111
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: There was a handful of types of things. It was

1112
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: a handful of people that just weren't home. UM. And

1113
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: there was you know, a handful of just said no

1114
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: and that was it. UM. There was one guy who

1115
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: was on a phone call. And this is kind of

1116
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: like a longer story that I'll try to make short.

1117
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: But the night before or two nights before, we had

1118
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: done like a drive around scouting as you guys are called,

1119
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: and we had spotted one house with like five bucks,

1120
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: like four or five six bucks feeding in the front yard,

1121
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: including one like really nice one. And so I had

1122
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: come back to knock on that door and that guy

1123
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: answered the door but was on the phone and he

1124
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of like waved me off. It's like come back later.

1125
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: So I was excited to hopefully get permission there, um.

1126
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: But ultimately I did get one yes. Um. There was

1127
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: a couple who were kind of leaving their home to

1128
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: go for a walk, and I walked up their driveway

1129
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: as they were walking down and chatted with them, and

1130
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: they were they were the perfect the perfect culprits and

1131
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: that they were like, yeah, shoot them all, we've got

1132
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: too many there, a nuisance, their trouble. Do whatever you

1133
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: need to do. Um, And they were fine with us

1134
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: filming and fine with us doing the whole deal. So

1135
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: so I got the yes one out of one out

1136
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 1: of thirteen. Um. But I'll tell you by the time

1137
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: like we got that part done, I mean I was

1138
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: just like shot. I was emotionally exhausted. It just like

1139
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: there's like an emotional debt that you accrue every time

1140
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: you go through like the hype up, the walk to

1141
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: the door or the knock on the door, the talking,

1142
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: the the yes or the know or whatever, like every

1143
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: time you do that, regardless of how it goes. It

1144
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: was just like each one was a little bit more exhaustion,

1145
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more so after thirteen of them. I mean,

1146
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: you you tell me if this is true or not

1147
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: justin but by the time we stopped for I guess

1148
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: it was like a late lunch we stopped for. I mean,

1149
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: I was just like a zombie. I could hardly even

1150
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: like talk to anyone. Would you say, that's true? Absolutely,

1151
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: because I felt the same way, like I think, being

1152
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: like hearing and and just like the flow, you know,

1153
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: the up and down of all those conversations. It was

1154
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I didn't really want to talk to anyone.

1155
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: I knew you didn't really want to talk to anyone

1156
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: for a while. Well, yeah, when we got that, when

1157
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: we got that, yes, it was like okay, like this

1158
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: is what Taylor has been talking about, Like you know,

1159
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: there's here's people that that recognize the problem, and uh yeah,

1160
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: it really felt like a home run even it wiped

1161
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: out all the notes, you know. Yeah, now one other

1162
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: thing to point out back to that house with the

1163
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: bucks on it, and we'll kind of speed through this

1164
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: because it didn't end up working out. But Taylor, you

1165
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: had like a friend of a friend who knew those people,

1166
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: and through a phone call we were able to get

1167
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: a hold of them and they said that they would

1168
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: be okay with us us hunting there. But I had

1169
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: to go back and talk to the guy. And so

1170
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: I went back and I knocked on the door again

1171
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: and he never answered, and then I waited outside and

1172
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: then went back again and they never answered. And now

1173
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: it's like three thirty or four or something. I don't

1174
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty late, and we're down to just not a

1175
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: whole lot of time left before trying to hunt that night,

1176
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: and we were trying to get in a hunt UM,

1177
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: And so I ended up just bailing on that spot

1178
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: and deciding to go and hunt a spot that you

1179
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: had gotten permission on UM previously. That would be a

1180
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: good one for us to get into quick since we didn't.

1181
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: We had to still this paperwork taken care of on

1182
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: the place that I got permission on UM. So so

1183
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: that was how we're gonna try to end up the

1184
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: night was just to go to this new spot I've

1185
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: never been to before. You drove us down there and

1186
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: just kind of said like, hey, here's the access point, um,

1187
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: go for it, here's your property lines, um. And this

1188
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: spot was was actually a little more normal feeling than

1189
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the other places that we saw. A

1190
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: lot of the places that knocked on the doors, um

1191
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: doors of um. This was kind of a I don't know,

1192
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: how would you describe this tail like a like a

1193
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: just a big brushy bottom dur rainage kind of area

1194
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: where there was houses up high and then this is

1195
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: like a low area where just nobody was gonna build,

1196
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: right yeah. Yeah, So once that ran you see the gauntlet,

1197
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: I actually could take you to some properties that are

1198
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: really hunted. And yeah, it's a it's a big kind

1199
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: of floodplain with a lot of houses up on the

1200
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: high ground and then that land in the middle there

1201
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: that you were hunting on is just undevelopable. But it's

1202
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: like super brushy, a lot of like thickets and poison

1203
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: ivy and sumac I think justin call hell, so some

1204
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: not always at bottom. I'm sorry to give me more

1205
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: of a head cup. But to be I did not

1206
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: know where you were going, so we wanted it to

1207
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: be not like a guiding hunt, more like a you know,

1208
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: Mark figures out where to go. And so I just said, hey,

1209
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: park here and and go in. And I should have

1210
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: warned you about the uh, the CIA operative that lives

1211
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: next store, that is figuring out texting people randomly, but um, yeah,

1212
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's just a big brushing floodplaint. And that

1213
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: spot is fantastic because if you think about how the

1214
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: water flows, again our analogy about where to find deer, like,

1215
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: they're all getting pushed into that area from everywhere around there, right,

1216
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: And if you even looked at that spot and zoom

1217
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: back out, you'd see that it's a giant crossroad of

1218
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: a crossing. I mean, that's one of the better hubs

1219
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: in the area that I hunt. And they are just

1220
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: tons and tons of deer in there, including a couple

1221
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: of pretty good bucks. And I think you saw one

1222
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: that night, didn't you. Yeah? I did, and and so

1223
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, we we we parked and going in there.

1224
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: I remember keeping in mind the two main points that

1225
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: you had been preaching to me over and over again,

1226
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: which was one was thinking about all the water is

1227
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: going to flow, you know, the metaphorical water. And then

1228
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: number two, but most importantly was the bubble. So I

1229
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: I was looking at this stuff on the map, and

1230
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this thick, brushy bottom and right in

1231
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: front of me, and I'm thinking, Okay, I could get

1232
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: right into the middle of this, I could be thinking

1233
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: about what my winds doing and and pushed to the

1234
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: opposite side. But I thought, man, I don't want to

1235
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: breach the bubble. I don't. I don't know where the

1236
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: bubble is because I've never been here before. But I,

1237
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, figured I need to be a little bit

1238
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: more conservative than not. So I tried to find as

1239
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: decent of the place as I get to without diving

1240
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: deep into this place, because they could be better than

1241
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere in there. And I remember thinking, like the

1242
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: main things that I thought I could work off of

1243
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: where that there was these there was this ridge that

1244
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: ran on the neighbor's property, and two points that dropped

1245
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: down off of that, And I've envisioned that, Okay, hypothetically,

1246
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: I bet you there could be oaks up on those ridges,

1247
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: and there could be acorns up there. So I thought

1248
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: all right, they're very well could be deer either bedded

1249
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: up on those points and then our dry popping down

1250
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: into the bottom to get to the opposite side. Maybe

1251
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: this food over there, so this might be a place

1252
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: that they're dropping down to, or it could be the

1253
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: opposite maybe dear coming for the other way, and they

1254
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: might be going up those ridges to feed. So I thought, okay,

1255
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: if I can be tight to that, I might peple

1256
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: intercept that movement. Secondly, there's a creek, and I remember

1257
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, all right, let's see if I could

1258
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: find a creek crossing, and if I could be hunting

1259
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: where there's a creek crossing and those points and what

1260
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: looks like the edges with really good thick betty betting

1261
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, that might be three different potential you know, movement,

1262
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: lines of movement that I could take advantage of. Those

1263
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: are the things that I was trying to key in

1264
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: on with with just a very ah bird's eye view

1265
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: of what I was dealing with. Having looked at the

1266
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: map and walked in like seventy yards or something, we

1267
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: didn't go very far in, but I found those threes,

1268
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: three things lining up, and I thought, okay, I think

1269
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: this is worth, you know, trying, so you know, we

1270
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: got set up. Justin was in one tree and me

1271
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: and Chase weren't another. And sure enough, like an hour

1272
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: before dark or something like that. Um, Justin was actually

1273
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: the first one to see him because of your angle.

1274
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: He was. There was this really nice buck coming down

1275
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: that creek and he got to the creek crossing. He

1276
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: came all the way to the creek crossing, but was

1277
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, so he was on

1278
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: the one side. He was at forty yards and if

1279
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: he crossed the creek where the crossing was towards me,

1280
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: he would have been to thirty. And I'm like, man,

1281
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna work out so perfect. I can't believe

1282
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: we nailed it, Like this is great. He's gonna come

1283
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: into thirty and and I was gonna take a thirty

1284
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: yard shot in in this scenario. Um. And then he

1285
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: just never crossed totally fine, And there is enough buff

1286
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: there that yeah. Yea never never presented itself though, because

1287
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: instead of crossing, he instead turned up that point and

1288
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: worked up the point, probably up to oaks or something

1289
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: up in there, and we never saw him again. I

1290
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: tried some grunting, and he looked but wasn't half that,

1291
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: but he was. He was a nice, you know, mature buck.

1292
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean I was stoked. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't

1293
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: ask for anything better than that. But what I was

1294
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: surprised by really I got some yeah, some cameras out there,

1295
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: and he was walking around today. So I'm like, when

1296
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: I get back to that's awesome. Man, he's asking for it. Um,

1297
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: that was an encouraging first time. I was like, man,

1298
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean I saw a shooter buck first night. This

1299
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: is great. And so we went back intore that next morning. Uh,

1300
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: I didn't end up seeing anything. I don't think right

1301
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: justin I don't think we saw any deer that is

1302
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 1: right anything. So it should we point out that I forgot.

1303
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: We need to explain a little bit about what you

1304
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: alluded to Taylor, which was the neighbor. So we that

1305
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: that that night. I just described when we hiked in

1306
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: and we're setting up our trees, you putting up our

1307
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: sticks and saddles and stuff. As I was getting up

1308
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: in the tree, I could see our vehicle parked off

1309
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: the side of the road and a truck pulled up

1310
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: behind it and then drove away. And then came back

1311
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: later and parked there for a while, and I'm thinking, oh, man,

1312
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: someone's messing with their stuff or someone's freaking out there

1313
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: and to call the cops or call their neighbors or

1314
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: who knows what. And I don't know, half hour later,

1315
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: something like uh, justin it was you right? You got

1316
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: a text message? Yeah? I did? And and what the

1317
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: text message just said? Like, hey, what are you doing here?

1318
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: Your trucks on my neighbor's property or something. Yeah, He's

1319
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: like are you huh are you hunting? Right? Like I

1320
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what it said, but it was like, okay,

1321
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: big brother definitely knows. Yeah, it was freaking or something,

1322
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: and the neighbors does not like it. We were very

1323
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: perplexed by how this person had gotten Justice's phone number. UM,

1324
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 1: and we're thinking, like, man, is this guy like in

1325
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: the c I A and he pinged our cell phones

1326
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: or something, and like being being in this area, your

1327
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: mind jumps to all sorts of crazy conclusions when you're

1328
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: around um and here are some of the stories you

1329
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: told this Taylor about the crazy things that going out there.

1330
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking, man, we've got like I don't know, Um,

1331
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what I thought, but it

1332
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: ended up being that there was a luggage tag that

1333
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: could be seen through a window, and that's how my family.

1334
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: I was assuming my family was being swept away in

1335
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: a white fan uh at the very moment that I

1336
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 1: was getting that text. But it turned out that I

1337
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: just happened to have a luggage tag pressed against the

1338
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: window that had my phone number on it. So that

1339
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: was quite the relief, a much more simple explanation. It

1340
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: was weird because I said that you guys sent me

1341
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 1: a screenshot of the text, and I looked up the

1342
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: number on my phone and I realized it was a neighbor.

1343
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: I quickly sent a text and said, hey, you know

1344
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: my buddies are down there hunting um. When I said hey, like,

1345
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: how did you get his number? He said? His response

1346
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: was like dot dot dot passed life. And I was like, yeah, okay,

1347
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fraud there. But then we found out

1348
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: that there was a luggage tag, and I'm like, oh, dude,

1349
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: come on, don't make yourself seem cool like like or

1350
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he didn't look at the luggage tag. Maybe

1351
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: he really did do some sneaky hivert stuff, you know,

1352
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we'll never know. He's probably listening

1353
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: to this phone call right now. Maybe just laughing, he

1354
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: could be. Oh Man. Definitely kept us on the toes

1355
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: that day. But but yeah, next day didn't see anything.

1356
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: So mid day decided, Okay, we had a paperwork done

1357
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: at the spot I've gotten permission on, so we're gonna

1358
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: head there. Um, I'll kind of fast forward significantly now

1359
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: because we don't have a whole lot of time left. Um,

1360
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: But we went to that place. Um, had like just

1361
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: the same kind of deal. There was like landscapers everywhere,

1362
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: and there was neighbors pulling in and out, and this

1363
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: proper is very narrow like it was right along two roads.

1364
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: It was just a long, skinny piece the head road

1365
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: frontage on half of it. And um, it just wasn't

1366
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: a lot to work with. So do you have a

1367
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 1: on the backside. Yeah, the neighbors had deer fencing, so

1368
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: like like kind of nylon netting, like kind of plastic

1369
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: netting that was maybe like six seven ft high or

1370
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: something to try to keep deer from going in and

1371
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: feeding in their yard. Um. Interestingly, that first night, the

1372
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: only deer we saw were in their yard inside the

1373
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: deer fence that's there. That's how that works. But um,

1374
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was cool to go and hunt the

1375
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: place that. You know, I had actually knocked on the

1376
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: doors and got permission on myself, and I just didn't

1377
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: see the activity. I thought we're gonna see. Um it

1378
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: was it was across the road from some really good

1379
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: looking stuff. So I thought for sure there was gonna

1380
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: be deer piling off of the neighboring property, crossing the

1381
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 1: road and feeding on all the acorns that were in

1382
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: the stuff that we could hunt. But it didn't happen

1383
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: that night. That was basically what I was doing, was

1384
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: was hunting, um basically thinking about the whole flow of

1385
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: movement situation. What we had there was that there was

1386
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: as long, skinny property as I described, and there was

1387
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of oak trees in it, and so there

1388
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: was tons of acorns. And then the neighbor as we

1389
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: just mentioned, had this deer fencing. So the whole length

1390
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: of the property had deer fencing along the edge, and

1391
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: any deer that wanted to get from the good thick

1392
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: cover across the road to other good thick cover on

1393
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: the other side of that person that other neighbors home

1394
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: had to go around the outside of that deer fencing

1395
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: in between that deer fencing and a cul de sac. Um.

1396
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: Never thought i'd say those words, but um, I found.

1397
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: I found this funnel. But I thought would be a

1398
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: funnel between the end of this yard with a deer

1399
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: fencing and the calder sack where there's a little gap

1400
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: crossing a driveway and then leads into another draw with

1401
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of good cover. So we set up on

1402
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 1: that side of the property to catch any movement funnel

1403
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: that direction, while also hopefully taking advantage of deer feeding

1404
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 1: on those acorns. Didn't happen the first night, went back

1405
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: into that next morning. I saw a bunch of does

1406
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: coming like they were going to do that, but I

1407
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: think our winds swirled and blew out that group. I

1408
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: don't know, there was like fifteen deer or something in

1409
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: that group does. Yeah, a bunch of deer coming through there. Um,

1410
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: but they buggered And then we had a six point buck,

1411
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: had a year and a half old buck come across,

1412
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: carossed out of the cover across the road, came into

1413
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: our spot and did exactly what I was hoping. The

1414
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 1: deer would do. And he came walking right to the

1415
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 1: base of my tree, and I was thinking in the moment,

1416
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: like first I was like, alright, I'm gonna shoot him

1417
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: because I thought maybe he was like a two year

1418
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: old six or eight or something. So I drew back.

1419
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: And then as soon as he got close and I

1420
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: had my bow, and I think I'm trying to remember

1421
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: what the order here was. I think that as I

1422
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: was drawing back, I was thinking, I had like, oh, man,

1423
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: he's a year and a half old. I can't shoot

1424
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: this buck. But I got to full draw and he's

1425
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: right there like five yards, and I had like a

1426
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: back and forth like should I take this deer? Should

1427
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: I not take this deer? Like I haven't shot a

1428
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: year and a half old buck in like fifteen years. Um,

1429
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, just a personal goal thing. But I've been

1430
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: trying to kill mature bucks and it's been a long

1431
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: time since I was in a situation where I thought

1432
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: about doing something different. But then I had like a

1433
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: I thought like, man, maybe I should take this deer.

1434
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: Like we're trying to help control dear populations, we're trying

1435
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: to show how to do this kind of thing, so

1436
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: I should shoot it. But then I was like, ah,

1437
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: but I don't really want to shoot this deer, and

1438
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: and all this went through my mind in like five seconds,

1439
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: and and ultimately I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

1440
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: Um So I let down and he just walked past

1441
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: and went on and and Rent was I don't know,

1442
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: maybe I should have shot him. Um maybe not. I

1443
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: don't know. What I told myself. What I've told myself

1444
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: many times in different scenarios but other way other times,

1445
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: is that if you ever are on the fence about

1446
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: shooting a deer, it's like, if you don't want to

1447
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: do it, regardless of what the reasons are, like, don't

1448
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: do it. So for me, it's been either going to

1449
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: do it or not at all. Um So I'm okay

1450
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: with that. But absolutely, unless the deer makes you go

1451
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna shoot him, if you have to talk

1452
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: yourself into it or convince yourself you should not shoot

1453
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: that deer. Yeah, it's kind of my rule of thumb,

1454
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: even though you are correct that you know we're doing

1455
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: a management and and if you wanted to shoot it,

1456
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: there's no problem shooting a year and a half old

1457
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: deer in the in the suburbs because that's one lest

1458
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: year to breed um and potentially get hit by a car.

1459
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, if you're not

1460
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: excited about it, then don't do it, because at the

1461
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's really what it's all about. Yeah,

1462
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: you know, is a tough one, but um, but I

1463
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, after it happened, I felt I

1464
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: felt fine with what I did. It was the right

1465
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: call and we got The only thing was that we

1466
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: got you know, after that hunt, we were basically out

1467
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: of time. That was our last day. We had one

1468
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: more hunt that evening, so we really only had two

1469
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: and a half days to hunt. Um, now that I

1470
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: think about this, because we had spent you know, so

1471
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: much time on the front end, you know, kind of

1472
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: getting the education with you and then going through and

1473
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: getting permission and all that just took a lot of time.

1474
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: So UM ended up just having that last night hunt

1475
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: and so I just said, okay, last chance, let's go

1476
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: back to the very first place we went, which is

1477
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: that property that we met the landowners on and they

1478
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: had the doughs feeding in the yard and you were

1479
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: hunting that first night with us and had the close

1480
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: call and I thought, man, that sure seems like a

1481
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: slam dunk. And I texted with you and talked with you,

1482
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: and you thought the same things with that. Okay, it's

1483
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: our last chance. Try to shoot a doll. That's our

1484
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 1: best chance. So snuck back in there and I decided

1485
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: to hunt a slightly different spot. Not dramatically, I think

1486
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: I just shifted like forty yards over um, but shifted

1487
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: down closer to the other edge of the yard where

1488
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: we could shoot down to where those last doughs came

1489
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: through that you couldn't get a shot at because they're

1490
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: a little bit too far away. UM. So we got

1491
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: set up chasing me. Were in one tree justin, wasn't another?

1492
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: And m how did everything go here? Justin? I think

1493
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 1: the first year we saw were on the neighbors across

1494
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: the ravine, up on the hilltop, feeding in the yard.

1495
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: And then those deer dropped down the valley and came

1496
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: across and actually fed into the yard that we were hunting.

1497
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: But they crossed the yard, two of them. One of

1498
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: them disappeared, but two of them crossed the yard and

1499
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: went to the other neighbors and fed out of range.

1500
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: And they kind of continued at like I don't know,

1501
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: seventy eight yards ninety yards heading off the other direction.

1502
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: There was one mature dough and like a year ling

1503
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: or something with her. And when she got out of

1504
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: our yard into the other yard, like she was definitely

1505
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: not going to come my way. UM, I started doing

1506
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: like a faun and distress call, just you know, just

1507
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of using my mouth to make the sound that

1508
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: I think that I've heard in the past that a

1509
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: faun might make that. And um, sure enough, she turned

1510
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: and stared and turned and stared, and then I don't

1511
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: remember exactly how long it was, but she eventually turned

1512
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: and started coming back our way. Um. And over the

1513
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: course of I don't know how long this was, maybe

1514
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: ten minutes, maybe longer than that, that whole encounter fifteen minutes,

1515
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: she she slowly worked her way back towards us. And

1516
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: then when she started she got back into our yard

1517
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,879
Speaker 1: and then came out into the open was like crossing

1518
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: the open yard to the other side towards me. That's

1519
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: when I was like, okay, wow, this is this is

1520
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: actually gonna happen. Um, what were you thinking of that moment?

1521
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: Justin when she learned and started coming back, Well, I

1522
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: was like, I couldn't believe that she was actually doing it.

1523
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: But I think she seemed like she was on edge

1524
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I remember her taking her time.

1525
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: Uh she had that young woman behind her, and but

1526
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: she you know, she didn't just like feed across he could.

1527
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: It was like she was looking for whatever was making

1528
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: that that distress call. And um, so I think she

1529
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: was on edge. But I'm like trying to calculate from

1530
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: my tree, like was she you know, managed she like

1531
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: in his shooting range, because you know, I know we

1532
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: were trying to stay pretty close. And but then when

1533
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: I saw you draw back, I was like, man, like,

1534
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: here we go, Like this is going to happen. And

1535
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: she continued to work across and uh yeah, so I

1536
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: was I couldn't believe it worked. That's what I kept thinking.

1537
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking the same thing. She came

1538
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: across the yard, and what happened was that she it

1539
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: looked like she was going to come right into twenty

1540
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: yards and so I remember she was gonna go behind

1541
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: one set of branches, and I thought to myself, all right,

1542
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: this is my chance to draw she as soon as

1543
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: she goes behind these branches at this angle, if she

1544
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: continues on, she'll step out right around twenty yards and

1545
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 1: I'll have my shop. So as she's walking through the branches,

1546
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: I draw back. But instead of instead of stepping out

1547
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: and continuing the way she originally was going to go,

1548
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: I thought in my mind, she stopped behind the branches,

1549
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: and it seemed like forever. I don't remember how long

1550
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: it was, but I was at full draw a long time.

1551
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: And then she started moving again, but her angle was

1552
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: angling off further away, and so she went behind a tree.

1553
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm stuck a full draw. And the whole time, I

1554
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I think you went back and looked. Wasn't

1555
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: like a minute a half or two minutes or something

1556
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: that I was a full draw. Um the whole time,

1557
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to draw down. I need to

1558
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: draw down, like this is not I'm not like I'm

1559
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,879
Speaker 1: just barely holding on, you know, um. But I just couldn't.

1560
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: I just did not see a way I could get

1561
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: drawn down without this dough booger and out of there,

1562
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: because she definitely was, you know, on edge. She knew

1563
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: something was going on, and so I just kept at

1564
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: full draw. I remember, I believe that, I remember, you know,

1565
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't anchored anymore. I was just kind of like

1566
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: holding the bow back and just trying to relax in

1567
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: some kind of way, and just like, all right, just wait,

1568
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: just wait, just wait, like I don't like, there's no

1569
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: shot right now. It's just a matter of hole in

1570
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the back. And then as soon as soon as she

1571
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: starts moving again, you can get back, get anchored, and

1572
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: you'll be good. And sure enough she did start to move.

1573
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: She moved behind this tree. I got back into shooting

1574
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: position and anchored. And I had ranged earlier that day

1575
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: this little opening on the other side of this tree,

1576
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: and so I knew that she was going to step

1577
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: out somewhere between twenty and twenty five yards, and so

1578
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: I thought, if she comes out in this opening, it's

1579
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: it's it's probably a shot I can take. And sure

1580
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: enough she stepped out there. I remember, we're thinking, all right,

1581
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: I bet she's like yards something like that, and and

1582
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I put it behind her shoulder and uh and let it.

1583
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Let it rip um. And for the sake of time,

1584
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: I'll describe this scenario quickly. The shot felt decent, other

1585
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: than the fact that I just had been holding a long, long,

1586
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: long time, But I felt like I was in the

1587
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: right spot, and I didn't feel like I flinched or

1588
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: did anything crazy. Um. But when I saw her run off,

1589
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 1: she ran off like yards and then I saw her

1590
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 1: disappear behind a big clump of trees down in the

1591
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: bottom of a ditch. And I never saw her come

1592
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 1: on the other side. Somethinking, man, I bet she she

1593
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: went down right there, like she's gotta be down right there.

1594
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: And we waited until dark. Went down there, looked at

1595
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: the arrow, and the arrow didn't look as good as

1596
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: it should have. Did not look like a double long.

1597
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of blood. There was a little

1598
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: bit of like meaty stuff on it. Taylor, you swung by,

1599
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: stopped by, took a look at it, kind of walked

1600
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: me through the different things you think about when recovering

1601
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: a deer in this kind of scenario. Picture brand a

1602
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: few things, and I think you felt the same way.

1603
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: The arrow didn't look great, Um, So we decided to

1604
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: wait a couple of hours, right, I think we wait

1605
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, um, and then we're gonna take

1606
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: up the trail. I gotta ask you, Taylor, you were

1607
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: so kind as to drive over to check out the

1608
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: arrow and chat with me with your wife in the

1609
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: car on your way to date night, and uh didn't

1610
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: seem like she was super thrilled that we were doing that.

1611
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: Did how much trouble? How much trouble did you get

1612
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: in for that delay? We had lots of expensive bottles

1613
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: of wine at dinner, so it's all okay. Yeah, she

1614
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: was fine after the first bottle, but the second bottles,

1615
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: of the third bottle, we're just more of an insurance policy,

1616
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: smart man. I was glad. I was glad that I

1617
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: texted you and I did not have to come out

1618
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,560
Speaker 1: and help track, because I don't know how helpful I

1619
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: would have been after uh that much wine. But yeah,

1620
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: she was. She was less than less than pleased to

1621
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 1: find out that we were actually not going to dinner.

1622
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: We were going to go over to a property real quick.

1623
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: And uh, look at look at what you know? That's

1624
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: what kind of having some buddies around for he's really

1625
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: helpful in the burbs and have an extra set of eyes.

1626
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: It's really very invaluable. Yeah, well, I certainly appreciate it

1627
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: was just great to be able to um go through

1628
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:43,799
Speaker 1: you know, Taylor Chamberlain's rules of of recovery in these settings,

1629
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 1: and you know the important things where don't draw attention

1630
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: to yourself. Um, you know, hopefully this you know, hopefully

1631
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: I did everything right in the front ends that we

1632
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: don't have a long track job. But you know, don't

1633
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: draw attention because in the middle of night, people seeing

1634
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: lights and stuff. If you draw concern. Um, you know,

1635
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 1: if you do cover the deer, get it out of

1636
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: there quickly. Don't leave gut piles and you know places

1637
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: where they would be terribly um conspicuous. Uh YadA, YadA, YadA.

1638
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 1: So we cover all that kind of stuff, and then

1639
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: eventually I went back to track track that deer down

1640
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: into that ditch up the other side and unfortunately to

1641
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 1: a property line where we didn't have permission yet, and

1642
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: it actually went it was going right to like the

1643
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: edge of two properties. So I was like at a

1644
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: t junction with the property we had permission on, and

1645
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: then there's two other properties and the blood trailer went

1646
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: right to the corner of those two spots. So me

1647
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: and uh my producer went to go knock on those

1648
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 1: doors to get permission to go track. And this is

1649
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: where the story gets particularly uh interesting, I guess, because

1650
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: one door. One person answered the door and was like, oh, well, okay, sure,

1651
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do, no big deal. Um. Now I

1652
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: gotta remember this is by this time, it's after dark.

1653
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: We're in the suburbs outside of Washington, d C. As

1654
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: you described, Taylor, people that live out here don't want

1655
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: to be bothered. They're not you know, they don't want

1656
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: people around. Now it's dark and someone's at their door

1657
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: with a flashlight. Um. So this guy handled it well,

1658
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: but the other person did not handle it well. The

1659
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: other person, you know, got to the door and you

1660
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 1: had their spotlight on me. Um. And I'm trying to

1661
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 1: make myself as unthreatening as possible. Like my hands are visible, Um,

1662
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: I have a flashlight, but I'm not pointing at their eyes.

1663
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm like pointing in my direction more so so they

1664
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: can see me clearly. Um. And you know I stand

1665
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: away from the door, so like I'm not right up

1666
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: in their grill. Um yeah, because I know this could

1667
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: be like an uncomfortable situation for a homeowner or so

1668
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anything I can do to

1669
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: seem less threatening. But this person won't even open the door.

1670
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: He just presses his face against the glass. And he's like,

1671
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are

1672
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: you here? Um? And I said, I'm so sorry. You know,

1673
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 1: here's the situation. And I explained that, you know, I

1674
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm hunting on your neighbors, I have permission to be

1675
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: hunting there, got a shot of the deer, blah blah blah,

1676
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 1: just just kind of try to quickly explain what's going on.

1677
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Explained that I was hoping to get permission to to

1678
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: continue tracking the deer and also just let you know,

1679
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 1: like why you're seeing lights back there, and immediately the guys,

1680
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm calling the cops. I'm calling the cops. I'm like,

1681
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: you don't need to call the cops, sir. I've just

1682
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I just wanted to explain

1683
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: what was going on, and if you don't want me

1684
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: on your property, we we won't do that. I just

1685
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, respect your wishes and explain the situation.

1686
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: He just kept saying, I'm calling the cops. I don't care.

1687
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm calling the cops. You can't come on my property.

1688
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: You can't come to property. I'm like, okay, hey, alright,

1689
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna come on your property. No

1690
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: need to call the cops. Um, you we'll we'll get

1691
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: out of your hair. So we leave and go back

1692
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: to the property we're hunting, go back to the truck,

1693
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: kind of unload any last year. And we said, okay,

1694
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: well let's go track to the property that we do

1695
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: have permission on, and sure enough, that ended up being

1696
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: where the doe went. So we followed the blood that property,

1697
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and unfortunately the blood trail at this point had really diminished.

1698
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: It had been decent and it had never been a ton,

1699
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: but we were able to follow it across where we

1700
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: did a permission onto the new property, and then we

1701
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 1: got to drop here, a little drop there, nothing. We're

1702
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: doing circles. We're doing circles. We're doing circles. Um. And

1703
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: at this point, based on the arrow and just the drop, drop, drop,

1704
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, this this deer either we're gonna

1705
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: find it dead right away or this is like a

1706
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: flesh wound based on the meat on the air and everything.

1707
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: But I'm still, you know, having hope. And then all

1708
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I see these lights pull up, cars

1709
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: pulling up, lights pulling up on the neighbors, and I

1710
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 1: just knew right away I'm like, they called the cops,

1711
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: and sure enough, here come, here come big flashlights coming

1712
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 1: our way, and a couple of cops came over, and uh,

1713
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, I want to know what the heck was

1714
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: going on. So um, my producer was there with us.

1715
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: This is our our, our our buddy Andreas was out

1716
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: there with us too, and he's like, let me, let

1717
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 1: me take care of us. And he's got like of

1718
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: our paperwork. He has our our filming permits and our

1719
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 1: permission slips and all the stuff that shows that we're

1720
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: doing what we're doing legally and everything. So he went

1721
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: over there and the cops talk to him and had

1722
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: us explain what we were doing and what was going on,

1723
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 1: and explaining what we told the neighbors and why we

1724
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: stopped at their house and so on and so forth.

1725
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: And it was like a very stressful situation in the moment,

1726
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 1: and we're all like trying to you know, keep our

1727
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: hands up and like not up. But I mean, like

1728
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking about it. Don't do anything weird,

1729
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: don't you know, Just let's just stand still. Let's just

1730
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: do nothing threatening. Let's not give anyone an excuse to

1731
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: get over excited, because We're in the middle of the night.

1732
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: There's flashlights pointing all over the place, and there's cops,

1733
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: and everyone's stressed out, and I'm upset, and we're not

1734
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: finding the deer. And eventually they let us go and

1735
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: continue our stuff. But to make a long story short,

1736
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: we were not able to continue tracking that deer much further.

1737
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: We found one little other drop of blood after that,

1738
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: and it was it was dried up, and seemed at

1739
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: that point that that this was like a brisket shot,

1740
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,560
Speaker 1: a super low shot. If I were to guess what

1741
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I think happened is that I must have dropped my

1742
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 1: my arm, my bow arm, so on that shot. I

1743
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: was at full drop for so long that when I released,

1744
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: I must have came down a little bit low, you know,

1745
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: just that arm being tired, and I probably just hit

1746
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: super low, you know, on the belly or a little

1747
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: forward and low, something like that. And that deer gonna flesh,

1748
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: wound bled some, but dried up, and UH, and she

1749
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: carried on her way and we dealt with the cops.

1750
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't find the deer, went back to the car,

1751
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: was super depressed and bummed out about it, and UH

1752
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: and had to end end our trip on that low note,

1753
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: which is a bummer after you know, a lot of

1754
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: fun and excitement. It was a bummer way to end it,

1755
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: but I guess it was a a really full circle

1756
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: look at what suburban and urban hunting can be. Like.

1757
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: We had we saw a big buck, We had a

1758
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: shot at a young buck. We had a bunch of

1759
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: cool encounters with doe as we saw lots of deer

1760
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 1: in yards. We saw a big buck in a yard.

1761
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: We talked to landowners who liked us, we talked to

1762
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: landowners who hated us. We got permission in some places,

1763
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: we got a lot of nose from others, and we

1764
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: end up getting the cops called. I mean, it was

1765
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: it was everything you could ever dream of right here.

1766
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: We get it all. You got the full, the full

1767
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: gauntlet thrown at you. It's amazing how unnerving having the

1768
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 1: cops called on you can be when you know that

1769
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 1: you're doing everything one by the book. But still, I

1770
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: mean I probably have the cops called on me probably

1771
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 1: fifty times, you know times, um yeah, because I don't

1772
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 1: feel so bad, yeah, but but it's never once have

1773
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: I been doing anything illegal or wrong? Right I'm like,

1774
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, when the cops come, and it's kind of

1775
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: unnerving because a lot of the times with offs have

1776
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: never dealt with a hunter before either, and they're like,

1777
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, winds deer season like now like obviously like

1778
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, okay, people answer that differently, you know, I mean,

1779
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 1: they just don't, uh, they don't deal with it a

1780
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:17,919
Speaker 1: lot either, and so it's kind of like an unknown

1781
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: for them, which makes it a little hairy. And I

1782
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: don't know, it's very unsettling to have to deal with

1783
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: the police and um. But you know, like unfortunately you're

1784
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 1: hunting a quarter acre or half acre or three acre

1785
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 1: a lot whatever. Um. Still, even on that three acre

1786
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: a lot, there's only like a very small buffer on

1787
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: the fringe, that is where where the bubble overlaps with

1788
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: where you can actually hunt them. And like the deer

1789
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: end up off property a lot even if you take

1790
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: a perfect shot. And unfortunately sometimes you have to knock

1791
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: on doors and get permission and deal with piste off

1792
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: people and police and weird recoveries and you know, it's

1793
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 1: just it's the nature of urban hunting. But at the

1794
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,640
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, would you say the

1795
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: juice is worth a squeeze? Like was it was it

1796
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: that interesting of a hunt? Or would you prefer rural,

1797
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: standard market hunting spots. So I will be as I'll

1798
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 1: be honest with the Taylor. I I one see the appeal,

1799
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: and I had fun, and I'm really glad I did it,

1800
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: and I learned a ton and it was really cool.

1801
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: But I will also say that I did find certain

1802
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 1: elements of it stressful and um like, like like many

1803
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 1: of them, like many of them, And so I think

1804
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: I prefer the Mark Kenyan way, is what I'll say.

1805
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: I prefer my rural countries loots where there's less stress.

1806
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 1: But I definitely see why this is so much fun

1807
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 1: for you and why it's a really cool thing that

1808
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: people can get out and do, especially if you live

1809
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: somewhere like this and it's not easy to get out

1810
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: in the country. Um, I mean it's it's sure a

1811
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: heck of a lot better than sit on the couch. Um.

1812
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: And anyone who does this like you do and does

1813
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: it consistently and gets it done and has figured out

1814
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: how to navigate the red tape, I mean that is

1815
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 1: no easy task. So so kudos to anyone who's doing it.

1816
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: And and I want to second or I want to

1817
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: kind of qualify that what by when I say it's

1818
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: no easy task, Like yet, it's not easy, but it's

1819
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: definitely possible. Like I mean I was able to pull

1820
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: it off in a couple of days, Like I was

1821
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: able to get permission, I was able to find places

1822
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 1: to shoot deer. I had opportunities of deer. So it's

1823
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: it's also something to be said that, like this thing

1824
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: is out there for you, it's accessible, it's available. If

1825
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: you've not been able to get out and hunt as

1826
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: much as you want because you have to drive a

1827
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: long ways, consider this because this kind of thing is

1828
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 1: available in a lot of cities and a lot of

1829
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: suburbs and a lot of neighborhoods, and it can be

1830
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: a really cool thing. So so I saw the good

1831
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: and the bad, that the fun and the stressful and

1832
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: um and I think that you know, expecting a little

1833
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: both is probably a good thing to having. Mind. Yeah,

1834
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: I would think that if anybody lived in a rural

1835
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: area and they chose to drive into a suburban area

1836
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:29,640
Speaker 1: to hunt, there's something wrong with that, right because in

1837
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: this stress and just bs that you have to deal with.

1838
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: But if you live in a metropolitan area, you should

1839
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 1: not be driving. I mean, you can drive, I remember,

1840
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: the heck you want to hunt, but there are ample

1841
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: hunting opportunities hidden right under your nose that you probably

1842
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: are overlooking. And so if you're a guy who really

1843
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: wants to get out more, I mean, that's how I

1844
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: ended up hunting in the suburbs. I you know, my

1845
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 1: family lives in northern Virginia. UM, I came back there

1846
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 1: after college. I was really bummed out because I was

1847
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: not able to hunt. And then I slowly kind of

1848
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: realized that this hunting gold mine that I was sitting

1849
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: on top of in terms of quantity and the length

1850
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: of the season, Like, yes, it is very stressful. There's

1851
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that is tough to deal with,

1852
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,799
Speaker 1: you know. Right now is we're recording this, I'm in Ohio,

1853
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like really, really really enjoying being able to

1854
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: drive out to a farm and go out to a

1855
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: property and just hunt wherever I want. Um. But you know,

1856
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 1: that's amazing, And I would take that ten days out

1857
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: of ten if I could. But you know, if you

1858
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 1: want to go hunt before work and then drive into

1859
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,560
Speaker 1: the office like I do all the time, like that,

1860
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: that's where urban hunting comes in, so there are these

1861
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: amazing opportunities in front of you, and and all it

1862
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: takes is a little bit of hard work to kind

1863
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: of get up to the top of the hill there,

1864
01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: and then it's pretty soon sailing from there. Yeah, I

1865
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like it, you know, there, it does

1866
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of you know, there's part of it that does

1867
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: feel like we've kind of showed a bit of a

1868
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 1: negative light on it. But I think to like some

1869
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: of the stress that we um we're having was coming

1870
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, We're we're diving into a community, right, we're

1871
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: coming out of like where what we're used to here,

1872
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: and just like going into d C and trying to

1873
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: knock on doors and were immediately caught off guard by

1874
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 1: just like gates and cameras and this and that. But like, yeah,

1875
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: like you're saying, uh, if if that's your community, then

1876
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: you know it's definitely right there for you, and it

1877
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 1: probably you probably won't have this the amount of stress

1878
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:51,560
Speaker 1: that we did because the shock value isn't there for

1879
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 1: you like it was for us. So I mean, I

1880
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to discourage anyone from trying this either. Definitely,

1881
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 1: definitely it was a hell of an experience. I'm really

1882
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 1: glad I did it, and I do still have like

1883
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: a craw in my I don't know what to saying is,

1884
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: but I've got something that makes me want to go

1885
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: back at some point and get the job done. Um,

1886
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not writing off the possibility of me showing

1887
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 1: up at your door again, Taylor and saying, damn it,

1888
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it here. The door is always well.

1889
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough, man, Um, you were the

1890
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: consummate host. It was. You were a great teacher. It

1891
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 1: was so much fun to get to spend some time

1892
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: with you and learn your ways of doing this stuff

1893
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 1: out there and getting to explore your neck of the woods.

1894
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: And uh, just just thank you again, just over and over,

1895
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 1: and thank you justin for for dealing with me and

1896
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,719
Speaker 1: dragging along behind me everything and doing all these crazy

1897
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 1: things we do. It was. It was a lot of fun, guys,

1898
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Guys. That's sure, well, Taylor, real quick, before

1899
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: we go, where can Pete will learn more about this

1900
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 1: kind of hunting. You've got a lot of different stuff

1901
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: you're putting out their classes, YouTube videos. Where would you

1902
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 1: point people towards if they want to learn more? From

1903
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: you about how to do this whole urban hunting thing. Yeah,

1904
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: check out. So I'm on Instagram as Urban Bowman. Feel

1905
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:20,520
Speaker 1: free to check me out. UM. I have a podcast

1906
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: and YouTube series on hunt Urban and our podcast called

1907
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: Hanging Hunt. And I actually partnered up with the sek

1908
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,600
Speaker 1: one guys, who are the only other guys I know

1909
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 1: that have been doing this as long as I have. UM,

1910
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,520
Speaker 1: and we went through and created what we call our Masterclass,

1911
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: which is a uh tip to tail full on how

1912
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: to do everything urban hunting from our literal word to

1913
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:48,600
Speaker 1: word pitch everything online so you can google that and

1914
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: check so on kline and get down the rabbit hole

1915
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Speaker 1: of all things urban. I love it, all right, gents,

1916
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Speaker 1: Well thanks again, and uh let's wrap this up all right,

1917
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Speaker 1: and that's a wrap. Thank you for tuning in. Let

1918
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Speaker 1: me leave you with a couple of plugs number one.

1919
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Speaker 1: If you're looking for any gift ideas, If you're looking

1920
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: for anything for your friends or family here with Christmas

1921
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: coming up, head on over to the Meat Eater store.

1922
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: We've got all sorts of gear that we're selling now merchandise,

1923
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 1: some of our favorite partner gear, like we now have

1924
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: our tethered Phantom saddle that I love. We can sell

1925
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 1: that now on the Mediator site. We've got the Timber

1926
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Ninja climbing sticks that I swear by. Those are available now,

1927
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff. Why are didn't T Shirts?

1928
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 1: Check it out, good gift ideas out there. Also the

1929
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 1: show that we're filming that we did film earlier this

1930
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 1: year and that we are releasing this year, So this

1931
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: is different than the DC hunt I just described, But

1932
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 1: one week in November is the show that I was

1933
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: co hosting that you can watch this year on the

1934
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: Mediator YouTube channel. Check that out for the story of

1935
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 1: my iole hunt, as well as what Spencer new Heart,

1936
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and Clay Newcome were at up to across

1937
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: the country, So check it out. Best to suck out

1938
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: there in the woods if you were still hunting, and

1939
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Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to h