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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode oneh eight, which is

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Speaker 1: airing first in late August of twenty nineteen, and this

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Speaker 1: is a special episode for us because we are celebrating

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Speaker 1: our second anniversary. Best of Both Worlds has now been

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Speaker 1: around for two years. We celebrated our actual one hundredth

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Speaker 1: episode a couple weeks ago, but it turns out that

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Speaker 1: did three to start off with to sort of fill

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Speaker 1: the channel at the beginning. This is actually our second

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Speaker 1: anniversary episode and we're about at the one million download mark,

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Speaker 1: which is just incredibly exciting to have grown it so

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Speaker 1: much so yeah, we're gonna make that assumption that all

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Speaker 1: are actually recording this in early August, so we don't

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Speaker 1: know for sure that we'll cross that mark, but it appears,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we do, and I've been excited to

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Speaker 1: see we've gotten. You know, it's been a slow but

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Speaker 1: steady growth. The last few episodes have done really well.

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Speaker 1: You guys still are super super into our goals and routines.

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Speaker 1: If we get goals and routines, which is actually great

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Speaker 1: those do amazing, So thank you for listening to those episodes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we thought in this episode we'd talk a little

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Speaker 1: to be, how we come up with ideas, how we

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Speaker 1: come up with our segments and our guests and all

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Speaker 1: that good stuff. But first we would wanted to revisit

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Speaker 1: what happened in the summer of twenty seventeen that led

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Speaker 1: best of Both Worlds to be. Yeah, so I have

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Speaker 1: copied and pasted some of these auspicious words that I

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Speaker 1: each other's blogs for quite some time. I believe I

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Speaker 1: and to set the scene, I at the time had

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Speaker 1: are not very fancy with this. We just do it

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Speaker 1: in Gmail and then just print it out, so no

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Speaker 1: fancy shared documents. Just on an email. I use a

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Speaker 1: lot of bolts and italics to make it easy to

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Speaker 1: navigate through the page when we're speaking. Yeah, so I

436
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Speaker 1: print out the schedule. You have that with me. When

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Speaker 1: we're recording, we both record on our own laptops and

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Speaker 1: our home office setups, whatever that may be. We try

439
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Speaker 1: to kick as many people out of the house as

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Speaker 1: possible when we're doing this. I'm actually recording in a

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Speaker 1: Regis office today because we've had been work going on

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Speaker 1: on the power lines in our neighborhood and our deck

443
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Speaker 1: is getting redone, so there's hammering and such, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, let me just rent an office for the day,

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Speaker 1: So I am not in a home office today, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of exciting, but yeah, normally that's where we

447
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Speaker 1: are attempting to make it quiet. We both have our microphones,

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Speaker 1: our headphones, and then we use Squadcast, yes, which is

449
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Speaker 1: actually our second go round on recording software. We'd previously Usezencaster,

450
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Speaker 1: which is great sometimes and then sometimes wasn't, so we

451
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Speaker 1: decided to switch, and we do enjoy that squad Cast

452
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Speaker 1: has a video feature so we can see each other's

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Speaker 1: faces and the faces of our guest. We sometimes forget

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Speaker 1: to tell our guests that and then like, if you know,

455
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Speaker 1: wearing like a bathrobe, and we're like, oh, sorry, I

456
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Speaker 1: can never mind them that it's not going to be

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Speaker 1: shown any you want to. If you're coming on as

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Speaker 1: a guest and you want to wear a bathrob, that's

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Speaker 1: actually perfectly fine because it's only for our purposes to

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Speaker 1: facilitate the conversation that our audience will never see the video.

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Speaker 1: We're not capturing the video in any way. I don't

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Speaker 1: think squadcast is even keeping it anywhere that I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: So that's it's more it helps for having and maybe

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Speaker 1: longtime listeners can tell us if they think we've gotten

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Speaker 1: better in this regard. But to have a conversation where

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Speaker 1: you're not stepping on the other person if they're about

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Speaker 1: to say something, or you could see that they're nodding,

468
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Speaker 1: and so you feel like you could keep going with

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Speaker 1: a point if they're like no, no, no, stop, and

470
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Speaker 1: then you can stop with that point too, or you

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Speaker 1: wave your hands because we're late to add our ad

472
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Speaker 1: segment on or because we're over time on a certain

473
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Speaker 1: yeah exactly exactly. So yeah, so we do that in Squadcast.

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Speaker 1: I kind of run that show, which is not a

475
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Speaker 1: very hard show to run, but I've gotten used to it.

476
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Speaker 1: And then I put an email together basically with some

477
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Speaker 1: very brief show notes, as you know, as we do

478
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Speaker 1: have some show notes and any notes that we need

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Speaker 1: our recording people to know about, like oh, I said

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Speaker 1: something ridiculous in this part and I want you to

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Speaker 1: edit it out. We don't do tons of editing, so

482
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Speaker 1: from the most part, you get what you get. But

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Speaker 1: every once in a while there's a hiccup that we

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Speaker 1: don't need to be publicly shared publicly sharing. Yeah. Yeah.

485
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Speaker 1: So then we about a couple months ago, we decided

486
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Speaker 1: to start doing ads. I mean partly I kind of

487
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 1: already blown through that idea with starting the Before Breakfast podcast,

488
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Speaker 1: and that's just it's part of the world. So I'm

489
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Speaker 1: now it's part of the podcast world. We were purest

490
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Speaker 1: in the beginning, but you know, this does take a

491
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Speaker 1: lot of time, and it was it was sort of realizing, Wow,

492
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Speaker 1: my time is you know, when you start doing the

493
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Speaker 1: calculations of what my point eight ft salary is and

494
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Speaker 1: my point nine ft salary and what the one hundred

495
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Speaker 1: ft salary would look like, you're like, oh, I my

496
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Speaker 1: time is definitely worth something, and I do greatly enjoy

497
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Speaker 1: doing this podcast, but it's still time that I'm not

498
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Speaker 1: spending at work. And so I kind of proposed to Laura,

499
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Speaker 1: I think it might be time. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: And she was amenable and we found an agency. Yeah,

501
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Speaker 1: so we're working with Lipstick and Vinyl, which is another

502
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, women owned company. We are big fans of

503
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Speaker 1: using women owned companies. So they send us perspective advertisers

504
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Speaker 1: and we bet them and you know, we we were

505
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Speaker 1: a little concerned about this, I think in the beginning

506
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Speaker 1: because like, well, are we going to have to advertise

507
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Speaker 1: things we don't like? Like how much control do you

508
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Speaker 1: have over the process? You know, Sarah obviously can't really

509
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Speaker 1: talk about anything that would be health oriented so much

510
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Speaker 1: that you know, like there's a lot of supplement companies

511
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Speaker 1: that advertise one and wet them in health. We did

512
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Speaker 1: want to imply that she was saying, as as a

513
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Speaker 1: physician that some of the stuff is you know, especially

514
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Speaker 1: especially when it isn't not even anyway that's a different story.

515
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Speaker 1: But we we've since learned, and especially our agency is

516
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Speaker 1: very good about this that they want us to be

517
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Speaker 1: enthusiastic supporters. I mean you can hear we we love

518
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Speaker 1: the stuff we're advertising. You tried it out and we

519
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Speaker 1: have said not a plenty of things, many things that

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't be excited about. So and the cool thing

521
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: is that if it's something that we're not sure about,

522
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Speaker 1: they will send us something to try so that we

523
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Speaker 1: can find out oh yeah, this is a service or

524
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Speaker 1: a thing that I feel comfortable recommending that I would

525
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Speaker 1: buy on my own. I have already purchased my own

526
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Speaker 1: Lola tampon prescription, and you guys have all heard my

527
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Speaker 1: mm will Blur Supplies is huge already. All those are

528
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Speaker 1: advertisers that we're very excited to have because you know, yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: like we'd be telling our friends about them anyway. So

530
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Speaker 1: that's been really best of both worlds. There highs and

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Speaker 1: lows from the last year. Yeah, oh wait, you forgot

532
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Speaker 1: this spreading the word part. Oh yeah, sorry. So we

533
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Speaker 1: have an Instagram account, yes, and actually it's pretty active.

534
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Speaker 1: It was really active when you guys didn't like an

535
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Speaker 1: episode but are unhappy, But it's actually also really act.

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Speaker 1: We get really actually like the Julie Morgenstern episode recently.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you guys like it made me so happy.

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Speaker 1: I felt like it was a really good episode, as

539
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Speaker 1: I'll mention you know, and i'll mention it now. But

540
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Speaker 1: it was awesome to hear the feedback that so many

541
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: of you guys loved it too. So I love it

542
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: when you express your thoughts on what we've talked about.

543
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: And usually there's a photo, so it's not kind of

544
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: nice to put an image to the things we're talking about.

545
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I do exploit my children with this a little bit,

546
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Speaker 1: but they're so you's nothing embarrassing, like only cute features,

547
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: and so yeah, we really have fun with the incident.

548
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Speaker 1: And then Laura is awesome because she does a blog

549
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Speaker 1: post every single week. Yeah, I do a blog post

550
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Speaker 1: every week. I mean, partly because it means that that's

551
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Speaker 1: one more idea. I don't have to come up with

552
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: I blog four or five times a week. You kind

553
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Speaker 1: of got to come up with a lot of ideas.

554
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Speaker 1: But we'd love to grow, So please help the podcast grow.

555
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd love to expand our traffic and get

556
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: quicker download rates. So please leave a review, recommend us

557
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: to your friends. You can also recommend either of us

558
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: as a guest on another podcast that you listen to

559
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: that you think might have a similar, you know, or

560
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: over lapping audience, because we're happy to spread the word

561
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: that way. Yes, I'm gamed to be I haven't. You've

562
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Speaker 1: done a lot of guest spots as the nature of

563
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: your job, but I kind of want to try it too.

564
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Speaker 1: It seems kind of fun, So if you think I

565
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Speaker 1: would be an asset to some other podcasts that you enjoy,

566
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, don't think. Don't think someone sent Forever thirty five.

567
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love those ladies, but I'm pretty sure

568
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: you need at least like one hundred thousand Instagram followers

569
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Speaker 1: to even be considered. So think medium size whatever. You

570
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: can go for the big ones too, It could be good. Okay, sure,

571
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe on highs and lows. Yeah, oh man, well let's

572
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Speaker 1: talk about the low. When we recorded live together and

573
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Speaker 1: then realized that we had not pressed beyond buttons. So

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Speaker 1: I was in Miami because I was giving a speech,

575
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Speaker 1: and we were all like, oh yeah, we're going to

576
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Speaker 1: record several episodes in Sarah's office. It need just be great.

577
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Speaker 1: And then and it was great. It was great, like

578
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Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun. But apparently our computer

579
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Speaker 1: was not in on the phone because we didn't actually record.

580
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Speaker 1: I think we recorded blank tracks. The microphone was that

581
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Speaker 1: her phone wasn't on, And normally we would have been

582
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: learned to that, because the only way to hear each

583
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: other when we're recording right now is for both our

584
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: microphones to be on. But because we were in the

585
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Speaker 1: same room, it was not that we had. Also, you know,

586
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Speaker 1: sometimes it rarely happens with guests, thank goodness, because they're

587
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Speaker 1: not in the same place as us, right, and so

588
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Speaker 1: we can see if the track is coming through. But

589
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Speaker 1: we had a close call where we thought a file

590
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Speaker 1: was missing from one of our guests and we're sort

591
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: of panicked about this, but she was She was really

592
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Speaker 1: nice about it. I mean, we made a plan. The

593
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Speaker 1: plan was that I was going to re interview her

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Speaker 1: within that week. She was amenable to that, which was

595
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Speaker 1: very nice. So nice because she could have been like, uh, no,

596
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Speaker 1: not do that, but she's like, no, no no, I'll get

597
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Speaker 1: back on the phone with you for twenty five minutes

598
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Speaker 1: to talk through this stuff again. And then Sarah was meanwhile,

599
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Speaker 1: Sarah's going through customers. Yeah, and that's actually the cool

600
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: thing with squad Cast is they do have some sort

601
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Speaker 1: of backup system and they were able to recover the files.

602
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Speaker 1: So that was amazing. And that wasn't anything we did wrong.

603
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Speaker 1: I think that was a glitch, but they were able

604
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Speaker 1: to fix it. So yeah, yeah, that was that was

605
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Speaker 1: good some highs. I mean, we've had amazing guests, Like

606
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Speaker 1: we said, the Julie Morganstern one, Emily ost was a

607
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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Loved Emily Tiffany Dofoos so good. I

608
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: had wanted her for so long. Yeah, and having Josh

609
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Speaker 1: josh On as our you know, lone mill guest, but

610
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Speaker 1: you know, one who could talk about the issues of

611
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Speaker 1: work and family that come from being married to Sarah. Yeah,

612
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Speaker 1: that was that was a lot of fun to do.

613
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Speaker 1: By the way, my husband said, no, I know, it's sad.

614
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Speaker 1: In case anyone's wondering why he has Maybe in another

615
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Speaker 1: year he'll change, Maybe he'll change his mind. We'll see.

616
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Speaker 1: He's like he is invited, his invitations open. Like I

617
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: like being anonymous, so not that anonymous. You can Google

618
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Speaker 1: search if you want to. But no, So we have

619
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Speaker 1: lots of great guests coming up. We're very excited about that.

620
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to run out of things

621
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Speaker 1: to talk about. No, I don't think so either. I

622
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Speaker 1: think maybe at first we thought, but then it's true,

623
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: like there's so many things that have you might have

624
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: the same general topic but different angles, like back to

625
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Speaker 1: school from a teacher's perspective, and back to school with

626
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: special needs kids and back to school. You know, like

627
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: there's just so many different angles. You could take a

628
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of these broader topics, and things are always changing.

629
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Speaker 1: So things are changing where we keep getting new guests.

630
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Speaker 1: We're going to possibly do some live events. We'll be done. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: we have one potential live event next spring that's kind

632
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: of exciting and we won't give details because you know,

633
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Speaker 1: who knows if it will come to Fruition the way

634
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to. But I think it'll be really fun

635
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Speaker 1: and assuming that it does happen, we will record some

636
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Speaker 1: live episodes while we're there, so that would be cool.

637
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Speaker 1: We may talking about podcast conference, Laura. I've mentioned this before.

638
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Speaker 1: We haven't made it happen, but I think maybe in

639
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty podcast conference and our marathon in twenty twenty

640
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: right that we're going to run together. Yes, I was

641
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: already thinking about this and thinking maybe we should push

642
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Speaker 1: it because it's so hot right now and there's so

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Speaker 1: much lightning, as like, would Laura be okay with a

644
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Speaker 1: December just because I do not want to train in

645
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Speaker 1: the summer here at all, But we're thinking we'll figure

646
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Speaker 1: out November twenty twenty would work. Yeah, our summer last

647
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Speaker 1: until mid October. Okay, we'll see maybe maybe I'll just

648
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Speaker 1: promise if you. I mean, there's fewer things in December,

649
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Speaker 1: because it's true, I know, and it gets cold where

650
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Speaker 1: you are too, So yes, exactly, all right, let's move

651
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Speaker 1: to our Q and A, because we got to get

652
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Speaker 1: through this before we actually have to sign on our

653
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Speaker 1: first guests, whereas we're batard. Yeah, all right, well, then

654
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Speaker 1: I will concisely give this one, although I will mention

655
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Speaker 1: this person is a huge fan of Laura's work and

656
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: loves secretly all the money in the world. So don't

657
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: forget that Laura has a financial book out there that

658
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: is still good and still out there. And this person

659
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: is expecting her first child and is looking at local daycares,

660
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Speaker 1: and she had it narrowed down to two. She writes,

661
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Speaker 1: we're fortunate enough to be looking a year out. Yes,

662
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: it's such a good best of both worlds listeners. She's

663
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: been listening to us. They have their pick. They are

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Speaker 1: confident that their non existent child will be in good

665
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Speaker 1: hands of both. Like she is pregnant by they, I mean,

666
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Speaker 1: it's a year is doing because she's she's due in

667
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Speaker 1: like February. And then no, she sent us like a

668
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: month ago and it was doing fast, so she really

669
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Speaker 1: is planning ahead. Her husband has quite a long paternity

670
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Speaker 1: leave actually, so they're not actually having to send the

671
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Speaker 1: kid until about four months five months in. Yeah, but

672
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Speaker 1: she's being very smart about this. So School number one

673
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: is one mile or four minutes from the house, very

674
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Speaker 1: easy to pick up and drop off, whether they commute

675
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: or work from home, currently rare, but potentially doing some

676
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Speaker 1: once the baby is born. The schools one hundred and

677
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Speaker 1: fifty dollars cheaper per month, but the downside is the

678
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Speaker 1: earliest they open is seven thirty. Her commute is thirty minutes,

679
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Speaker 1: and while she rarely has an eight am appointment, it

680
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Speaker 1: does happen at least twice a month. She notes, I'm

681
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Speaker 1: sure my husband could do drop off on some of

682
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Speaker 1: those days, but obviously that's a change in the schedule.

683
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Speaker 1: Pickups are equal at both schools six pm, which is great.

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Speaker 1: School number two is further it's two point four miles

685
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Speaker 1: or seven minutes. Oh my gosh. Still pretty good, and

686
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: it opens nice and early seven am, so drop off

687
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: won't be an issue. The downsides are it's slightly out

688
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Speaker 1: of the way for both of us to get to work.

689
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Speaker 1: Nothing terrible, maybe five to ten extra minutes each person.

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Speaker 1: But further, if we work from home, obviously one hundred

691
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Speaker 1: and fifty dollars a month more is a downside as well,

692
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Speaker 1: But from a curriculum standpoint, it's definitely a quote better

693
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Speaker 1: learning experience, but school one will be more than sufficient.

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Speaker 1: So it's not something I'm factoring in as much for

695
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Speaker 1: my eight week old, but it might be when they're

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Speaker 1: slightly older. The money is not a barrier, but one

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Speaker 1: of the factors weighing in Which one would you choose?

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Speaker 1: Which one? Yeah, I mean the good news here is

699
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Speaker 1: that they're both awesome. I mean, you know, there's no

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Speaker 1: bad choice here. And the fact that she has two

701
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Speaker 1: awesome daycares is like way ahead of the game, you know,

702
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Speaker 1: And so if she chose one and then they suddenly

703
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Speaker 1: didn't have spots, it wouldn't be a problem to choose

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Speaker 1: the other. She shouldn't really stress about it. I did

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Speaker 1: point out that, you know, the one thing you do

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Speaker 1: want to keep them in mind with daycarees who are

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Speaker 1: going every single day, and it sounds like they're planning

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Speaker 1: to split the day, you know, drop off and pick up,

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Speaker 1: which is awesome. I think that should be the default

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Speaker 1: with most families. However, if you're in a family where

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Speaker 1: one parent is doing both of them, whatever additional time

712
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: you have is going to be twice a day, so

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Speaker 1: ten times a week. So even if it's only five minutes,

714
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Speaker 1: that's fifty minutes out of your week. If it's ten minutes,

715
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: that's one hundred minutes out of your week, it's fifteen minutes,

716
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty that's two and a half hours.

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Speaker 1: That starts to be you know about the amount of

718
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Speaker 1: time you're probably like exercising during the week. It starts

719
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: adding up. So you want to make sure that it's

720
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Speaker 1: worth it and that you are factoring this into your life.

721
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Speaker 1: That it will be very annoying on the days when

722
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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, rainy, or you know, you're late

723
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Speaker 1: to work or anything like that. However, in her case,

724
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Speaker 1: they're both pretty close. I mean, I think there's not

725
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Speaker 1: a huge difference between one mile and two point four miles,

726
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: so that's not going to be a huge issue there.

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Speaker 1: I did say the closer one one thing to consider

728
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Speaker 1: is whether she could walk or run to it, because

729
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: that might be something a sneaky way to get in

730
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Speaker 1: more exercise, So you know, that might be an upside.

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Speaker 1: There's also you know, I don't think the close the

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Speaker 1: earlier later hours are necessarily a deal killer. I mean,

733
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Speaker 1: certainly they could work it out. However, it is nice

734
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Speaker 1: to have a slightly earlier start for the option in

735
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Speaker 1: case she wanted to go into work early. Some days

736
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: agree with her. The curriculum is not a huge deal,

737
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: like it's you know, people get a little bit over

738
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: obsessed with that. So I thought she should also look

739
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Speaker 1: at the community surrounding both daycares, as in, like what

740
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: sort of you know, how she felt about the other parents,

741
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: like the vibe she was getting, Like if it was,

742
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: you know, if one was drawing more from people from

743
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: her neighborhood that she wanted to get to know, or

744
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: if one was like more people from her work that

745
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: she wanted to get to know. I mean, just because,

746
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Speaker 1: for better or worse, these people are going to be

747
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: your community for the next four or five years at least,

748
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: and they're going to be the people you're seeing at

749
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: birthday parties because that's who your friend's kids are going

750
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: to be. So you want a group that you mesh

751
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: well with. And so that's something she could look with too,

752
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: and so you know, Sarah, what was your your gut

753
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: instinct on this. It's funny I read this and I

754
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: was like, school too, no brainer in my which is

755
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: the one that's slightly far away. But it was like

756
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: a little bit yes, And I would feel very differently

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Speaker 1: if she said it was a ten mile drive and

758
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: a twenty minute drive. Do you see what I'm saying?

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00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: But to me, I'm like seven minutes, Like that's how

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Speaker 1: long it takes me to get out of my complex.

761
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: So if these are actually accurate times like that is

762
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: still extremely close to the house. And I felt like

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: the earlier opening time would be great because she did

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Speaker 1: mention that there's these like some mornings, and I just

765
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Speaker 1: feel like taking that conflict completely out of it so

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Speaker 1: that she has the option or the husband has the

767
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: option of dropping off early is just like super valuable.

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Speaker 1: And then I also was thinking, yes, you're right, she

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Speaker 1: could run to school number one, but she could number

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Speaker 1: She might be able to run to school number two,

771
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: depending I mean, it depends how long she would run.

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00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: Annavel's daycare was about that far from our house when

773
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: we lived in North Carolina, and I did actually sometimes

774
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Speaker 1: run with the stroller to drop her off run home.

775
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: It was like four miles total, four and a half miles.

776
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: It was great. Yeah, and biking, you know, two point

777
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: four miles isn't that far. So I just didn't feel

778
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: like the length was far enough. And there was something

779
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: in her words that made me feel like she was

780
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: a little just more excited about number two. The price difference. Really,

781
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's like, you know, not a huge difference

782
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: over the course of the year, especially to getting the

783
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: option of like ten extra hours a month, right, which

784
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: again and maybe it's my like morning productive person speaking,

785
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: but like the fact that like she can get that,

786
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great time to fit into work

787
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: out too, So I think I think it gives her

788
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: more options. Yeah, And so we responded this that, you know,

789
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: on the margin, probably number two but if you know,

790
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: for some reason, number two didn't have any space, like

791
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: number one was not going to be a tragedy and anyway,

792
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: Number one still send it off, and she wrote back

793
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: that she thought about it. You want to make sure

794
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: she wasn't just you know, going with number two to

795
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: spend more, just to spend more or something. But she

796
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: decided that she would feel worse if there weren't spots

797
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: and number two versus number one, so she put her

798
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: deposit down for daycare number two. So we'll hopefully that

799
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: works out well for their future baby and we look

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Speaker 1: forward to hearing about it. So Love of the Week, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: I think that for an anniversary episode where we've been

802
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Speaker 1: doing this this long, the only appropriate love of the

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00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: week for me is you, guys. Thank you so much

804
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: for listening, for downloading, for being with us, for commenting.

805
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just so much fun, and it's

806
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: partly fun because of you. Also, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You are the love of the week. Thank you listeners. Yet,

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00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: love of the week for us and every week, but

809
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: we'll particularly celebrate it this week as we are celebrating

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Speaker 1: our second anniversary. Well, this has been best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: We'll tune in next week for more on making work

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Speaker 1: in life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find

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Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the

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Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura

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Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for

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Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together,