WEBVTT - Millions for the LGBT 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.600 Please tell me it's not about Tom. It's about Tom. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:15.960 It's not about to about Tom Rose. I know exactly 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.239 when you're gonna die, and I love that about me. Um, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.000 we're obviously referencing one of the greatest cameos, one of 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.960 the crest cameos of all time, the psychic who was 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.760 on the first season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.720 The first season. It was the first season, and yesterday 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:36.440 we are talking about Real Housewives as a franchise, as 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.599 a pop cultural jugg or not. I feel like Housewives 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.320 is kind of polarizing. Like I personally just started watching 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.199 um in the pandemic, and so before that moment, I 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.239 really did not want to consume any Housewives content at all. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.080 So if you have an aversion to it, maybe this 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.120 conversation will key you into why we love it so much. Yeah, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.200 and we are going to go back to the beginning 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.720 and see how it all started, because this is like 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.320 a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:11.880 today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Um. Listen, 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.120 New York Virgins, we are coming for you. This is 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.919 an extra special announcement we are having a live show 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.840 on June at three dollar Bill in Brooklyn. Rose, I'm 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.200 so excited. Yes, we're doing our first live event. It's 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.920 gonna be so fun. We are going to have performers 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:38.360 and secret special guests and thrills, chills, ur audience participation, 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.720 splash zones. There will be a splash zone. Heartbreak will 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.559 feel good in a place like this. Producer Phoebe will 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.320 be there and might be you know, um, playing a 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.840 very stage manager, or she might be slinging you merch. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.840 She might be you know, wrangling drag queens. Who knows 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.520 what will happen. So New York Virgins, Tri State Area virgins, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.040 come spend a couple hours with us. It's going to 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.200 be a really fun time and we want you to 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.400 be there at our first ever live show during Pride. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.040 You can get tickets um with the link in the 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:14.080 bio of our burner. That's like a Virgin. I'm sure 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.880 that Rose and I will put the ticket link in 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.600 our own personal bios as well. Lots of different bios. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.560 You can find the ticket link in. Just find the 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.079 ticket link and buy a ticket and we will see 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.200 you there. Um, And there's gonna be a little bit 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.320 of a party after, so we'll get to hang with you. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.320 How are you doing, Franny, Well, I mean, I'm exhausted. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.360 I had a I had a very very bad travel 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:45.760 day on Saturday, that I do you really went through 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.040 it this weekend? It was nightmarish and I hope I 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.200 never experienced that again. But what did you do this weekend? Rose? 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.960 I feel like you had a quite a the opposite 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.600 weekend and that it was very lax and luxurious. I 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.160 did it was? I Um. I rented a cabin in 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.360 Big Bear for a couple of days. I wanted to 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.960 do a little writing retreat Vaca moment, and I just 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:14.240 spent my whole trip outside writing on the porch, going 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.280 in the hot tub. And then I also did like 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.080 watch a lot of TV at night after I was 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.079 you know, done writing for the day. Then I let 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:27.640 myself watch TV and read Star Wars fan fiction, my 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.440 like my current vice. Yeah. I finally started watching Obi 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.400 Wan Kenobi, which I'm really enjoying the season. And you know, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.480 I don't know if you know this, but the Star 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.360 Wars fandom on the internet is really tomic. It's like 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.600 and the racism got to such a fever pitch that 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.160 you and McGregor had to like make a video statement 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.560 about it and say like, if you are racist, you 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.720 are not a Star Wars fan, and like get out, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.280 we did. We didn't know that happened. That's so it's cool. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.080 It's it's good to see Disney and like the talent 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.400 finally making a stand in this fandom. But it's still 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.760 really upsetting and a lot and so many people are 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.760 like hate this show, and I think it's really great 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.760 and it really has me back on my you and 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:18.000 McGregor bullshit, my Star Wars bullshit. The prequels are really 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.440 like what I grew up with, and I do love 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.599 that era of Star Wars, so this is really hitting 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.840 a sweet spot for me. I've never gotten into any 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.280 sort of Star Wars original series, Like the whole Baby 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.240 Yoda thing. I was like, even that couldn't make me 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.200 watch the show. We're gonna need to do a Star 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.960 Wars episode virgins. If you would like to hear that, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.200 let us know. I would like that, but I don't 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.240 want to watch like the New Ones. I only want 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.479 to watch the the the O G three. Okay, well, 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.480 another thing that I watched when I was in Big 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.360 Bear was the entire first season of the Sex Lives 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.320 of College Girls. Did you watch that when it was on? No. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.599 All I remember is that every one told me to 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.720 watch The Sex Lives of College Girls when it came out, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.080 because they were like, oh my god, it's surprisingly good. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.080 And I was like, the fact that like so many 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.440 people in a row are telling me it's quote unquote 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.760 surprisingly good, I think is a little bit of a 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.320 red flag, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.000 latest person to tell you it is surprisingly good. The 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.120 pilot is pretty bad in terms of how it's written, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:29.880 like it's very much hello fellow teenagers, like writers trying 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:35.200 to replicate what they think teenagers talk like, but that 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.599 that gets less and less as the show goes on, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.880 and there were several moments where I laughed out loud 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.120 watching it. One of the lead girls is Polly and 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.000 challom Timothy shallowmy sister, and she does kind of look 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:55.039 like Timothy shallowme with boobs. What huge boobs, huge jugs, jugs. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.279 I feel like I've seen a meme you've you posted 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.400 of Timothy with huge jugs, and that's based when his 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.440 sister looks like, oh my god, well, I mean gender 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.440 goals honestly, Um, but it's good. Yeah, I honestly need 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:13.239 respite after finally watching The Staircase, um, which I told 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.360 you very adamantly that I wasn't going to watch, but 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.920 that you and that when you did watch it this weekend, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.800 you said you weren't going to talk about it on 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.560 the pod. Okay. So here's the thing about me is that, um, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.760 sometimes I don't no, no, no, sometimes I don't know 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.599 what I'm talking about. And when I said I wasn't 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.760 going to watch The Staircase, I thought you were talking 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.320 about the Mormon Show with Andrew Garfield, which I did 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.800 also don't watch that. I loved it, but you will not. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.480 I watched the pilot of that of the Andrew Garfield Show, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.280 and let me tell you, I'm very happy that Andrew 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.599 Garfield has found kind of playing the same person over 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.560 and over again, which is kind of like it's kind 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.800 of like it's kind of like no, no, it's actually 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:01.240 like nice. It's like very nice conservative white I who 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:05.320 is insecure and not gay for some reason, like the 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.440 kind of gay. But that's the thing is like all 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.400 of it because but are very explicitly not gay, and 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.200 you're like, why just be gay? But but I do 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.840 ship him with his detective partner on the show. Yeah, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.520 the detective partner energy. Um, but to the staircase, to 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.000 the point of the staircase. You know, it's very good. Um, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:30.400 it is like very gay, it's very bigeable, and I'm 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.200 not sure I would want to watch it if I 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.960 if I wasn't binging. Sometimes it is a little background 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.440 TV because of like, you know, a lot of exposition 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.320 and a lot of like stuff like that. Um. It 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.160 does also sometimes feel like, you know, the undoing if 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.480 it was directed by Ariastar, But I I really you 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.840 know what I mean. But but it's good, Like it's 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.560 a really good and if you haven't watched it, it's 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:58.560 basically just like Joanie Janie Janie, Tony collect Joni Mitchell 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.840 falls down the scene Toni Collette falls down a staircase. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.080 She's extremely mangled and looks as if she's like murdered, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.240 and the husband says he didn't do it, And you're 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.800 kind of following this story trying to figure out if 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.320 she actually fell or if she was murdered, and I 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.000 am not. And it's and it's based and it's based 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.559 off of a document It's based off a true story, 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.480 and dom yes, Fran, I didn't know that, Fran, Yes, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.080 it's it's this is It's based off of a true 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:33.120 story and a documentary about that story, which is kind 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:40.720 of what started the entire modern true crime genre. So 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.160 and so that's why I really liked the show. I mean, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.440 outside of the great performances and the drama of it all, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.400 I think it's a really interesting take on what that 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.440 true crime genre is looking back to the thing that 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.520 created it. And what I love so much about Tony 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.080 Collette in it is that in these pieces of media 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.160 true crime, you know, where there's like some some dead 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.679 white woman, um that that person is usually incredibly abstracted 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.040 and like really absent from the narrative. And like that's 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.400 the thing with Kathleen in terms of like the reality 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.040 of this crime is like she's very unknowable because she 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.760 died and like most of the drama around her life 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.079 happened after she was dead, And this show, I think 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.360 does an amazing job of making her a real person, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.240 like obviously a fictionalized version of that, but I think 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.160 it's kind of inserting this woman back into her own 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:46.360 story it. Honestly, she Tony is so fucking captivating and 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:54.520 everything she does, but oh my god, honey in the 0:09:54.600 --> 0:10:01.200 kitchen for Prestige TV, in the name of God, let 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:06.160 me she deserves Emmys. She deserves accomplishments and rim jobs. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.120 Accomplishments and rim jobs. And let me tell you also, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.200 what Tony has to do physically with her body in 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:19.840 this show is so extremely difficult to do as an actor. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.920 And yet Tony is so good at dying on screen, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.199 and she has had to do this in countless movies, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.960 and it has drawn such a new respect for for me. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:32.920 I've always loved Tony, but it's like such a new 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.560 respect for me to realize that is as an actor, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:40.240 it's actually extremely psychologically and physically difficult to do what 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.320 she does over and over again. And I hope that 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.800 this is like, you know, another award that she can win, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.080 because she does. But she also what I appreciate her 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.880 as an actor is that she doesn't get trapped in it. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.720 I think there was like, um, a video going around 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.960 on Twitter and then maybe also on TikTok of some 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.360 of someone asking her if she does method acting and 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.520 she was like, no, I think that's pretty stupid, UM, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.080 which I love, Like you can just be good at 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.360 pretending and she really is exactly that's exactly it. Um. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.679 But anyways, UM that I've that's basically all have been consuming, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.120 aside from the new B sides that were released from 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.920 Scissa's control. Have you listened to that yet? I have not? Um, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.360 how are they? I I mean, they're there. It's Scissa, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.280 so it's always going to be like sublime and perfect 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.720 and beautiful and heartbreaking. UM. Some of these songs were 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.880 released on SoundCloud last year by her. UM. One of 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.640 them is called Jody, but on SoundCloud it was called 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.720 Jodie Foster. And that is actually my favorite of the 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.800 new releases. I've been having it on repeat in my head, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.199 like literally, like the refrain plays in my head all 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.440 the time, all day every day. It's like that good. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.480 But I think I just the release is just so 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.840 messy to me because like where is her album? And 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.560 what was with these SoundCloud songs? And like why are 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.240 these SoundCloud songs? All of a sudden, A part of 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.640 what I feel is like a absolutely perfect album that 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.600 doesn't need to be touched at all, you know what 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.679 I mean? Like when Bowen on our pod. Um, if 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.560 you haven't listened to Bowen's episode our Taylor Swift's Red episode, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.839 it's very good. But when Bowen said on our pod 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.960 that Control is the blue of our generation, like that 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.440 really is the t Like I feel like Control to 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.040 me the same way Blue does just encapsulates our generation 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.120 perfectly with cultural references that we understand, with a heartbreak 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:41.079 that's like very relatable, with like really really like like poetic, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:45.880 like true poetry in the lyricism that is sometimes abstract 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.280 and sometimes crystal clear. Like that is so blue. And 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.240 Joanie would never you know, release Blue and then like 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.680 release a bunch of B sides like like it would 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.920 just kind of taint the purity of something that is 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.000 so perfect. And I think Control perfect, um. I mean actually, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.640 like Joonie did release B sides um like a few 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.840 years ago actually, but like that doesn't count. That's like 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.240 fifty years, you know what I mean. And they were 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.319 really good B sides, but Joe Rogan did take them 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.160 away from us. I love a B side. But also, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.840 you know, part of making art is editing and is 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.600 about being intentional about what what you leave in the 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.320 work you're making. And what you take out of it. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.960 And part of the reason why some of the most 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.600 iconic albums of all time are the way they are 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.120 is because of those choices that were made. And like, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.880 especially if you listen to an album, you know, from 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.360 beginning to end, like you're listening to it the way 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.640 that the artist wanted you to, and like that is 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.200 intentional in and of itself. So like, yes, it's always 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.520 great to get some B sides, but I still find 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.200 myself thinking of, you know, the original as as the 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.320 that's the thing that I'm going to want to go 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.880 back to. Yeah. Same, And it's like I'm not mad 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.680 at says there anything. It's just like I just I 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.680 think I would have been very happy for any of 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.400 these tracks to be released as singles, Like I didn't 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.360 think that they need to be tacked onto something that 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.800 is so untouchable and Scissa is so untouchable to me. Um, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.880 but anyways, those are those that's my music take for 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.360 the week. Yeah, I will need to listen to that. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.120 I also, um, Lucky Lee just released a new album 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.640 that I need to listen to. So hopefully I'll have 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.160 some updated music thoughts next week. While we're on the 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.760 music portion. Have you listened to Christina's Spanish language album? 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.920 I have not. It's apparently going to be a series 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.520 of Spanish language albums question Mark. I don't actually have 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.400 the intel on this, but um, it's really good. I 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.920 mean a lot of it is like very generic, but 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.640 like to hear Christina in this genre which is sometimes 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:59.000 like like straight up mariachi, like soul like ballad mariachi 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.720 is like so good. Um, and it's kind of giving 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.920 what I wish Omar Apollo gave. And honestly, her Spanish 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.880 like isn't that bad? Like I I feel like, you know, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.640 she it's it's not perfect, but she commits to it. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.600 And I think that's something that I really appreciated, is 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.920 that when you've ascended to the level as high as Christina, like, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.920 it's it's a pretty major play to say I'm going 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.120 to do a Spanish language album, So you know, I'm 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.400 glad she's doing it. Good for her, Good for her? 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.880 Do you want to talk about her dick? It's kind 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.000 of baity to me, but maybe Christina pegs her husband 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.960 just I have a lot of doubts, but like, can't 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.360 it just be a gag that she like wore a 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.560 strap on. I mean, do we have to plummet for 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.600 a deeper meaning? Unfortunately with me, I have no choice 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.880 but to intellectualize and overprocess everything. However, as you're saying it, 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.720 you know, maybe you're right. Um, I will tell you 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.640 that I saw a movie last night that you would 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.160 there would be absolutely no way for you to extract 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.400 any kind of deeper meaning from, which is Jurassic World. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:06.680 I don't even know the newest Jurassic World movie, um, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.360 which you know. The whole thing about it is that 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:14.240 it's reuniting all of the stars of the original Jurassic Park, 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:22.160 Laura Dern, Jeff Goldbloom, and Sam Neil. And it's crazy 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.440 to watch a two and a half hour Jurassic Park 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:30.720 movie in which the dinosaurs are not even really the 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.480 main feature of the movie. So the movie do I 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.120 even want to know? The last movie ended with dinosaurs 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.600 now being out in the world, and I thought that 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.760 would be the premise of this movie, like, that's really interesting, 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.720 what's the world like when dinosaurs live among us? Instead, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.320 it takes a sharp turn away from that and becomes 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:57.560 about this like tech pharmaceutical company who have used um 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.840 like dinosaur DNA to make these crazy locusts that are 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.240 like eating all of the world crops, And so the 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:13.480 movie weirdly becomes about rehistoric but but bugs and corporate 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:20.200 espionage obviously, and it's just really weird. It was very long. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.400 It's also a lot about clones, because there's a clone girl, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.800 and and like I just the point of Jurassic Park 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.040 is the dinosaurs. It is not. It's yes, it's about 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.720 the humans trying to survive the dinosaurs, but it's about dinosaurs. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.440 So to watch a movie in which the dinosaurs are 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.680 like a secondary thing, What babe, what are we doing here? 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.320 Makes no sense to me? And that's infuriating because I 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.720 really do love Jurassic Parks so much. The last movie 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.000 I do too. It's a little bit of a flop. Yeah, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.800 and I still had a good time. There were some 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.959 good moments. There's um there's a scene Bryce Stallas Howard 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.399 honestly was one of the best parts of the movie, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.840 her and Laura Dern And there's a scene where Bryce 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.160 Stallice Howard is crawling into a swamp to get away 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.040 from this dinosaur, and it actually was probably the best 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.760 part of the movie. It was incredibly tense, um. And 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.520 that's that's the kind of thing you want when you 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.520 are watching a Jurassic Park movie. You want to see 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:24.919 people trying to not get eaten or people getting eaten 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.960 by dinosaurs. Yeah, exactly, And there was not there was 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.120 not enough of that. And also, you know, hate Chris 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.880 Pratt um or Crisp Crisp Ratt as he is referred 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:43.480 to ums. But you know, Laura Dern looked amazing, was amazing. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.840 I just wish she hadn't spent most of her time 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.160 in the film talking about bugs. And the bugs were 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.760 really great. I don't want to hear about the fucking bugs. 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.960 That sounds stupid. Get the get the bug off the screen. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.440 I'm not watching that speaking of something that I wanted 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.159 off the screen. This week, I'm not going to recap 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.919 the legendary finale that aired because they just have too 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:10.720 many thoughts on it. But girl, the finale opens and 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.080 the judges you know, aren't coming out to present, you know, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.320 they always present their kind of look or whatever. And 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.159 DeShawn goes today's episode. He didn't say it like this, 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.520 but basically was like and today's episode is brought to 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.959 you by Dolce and Gabbana, and every single look that 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.160 you see on the runway today is by Dolce and Gabbana. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.280 All the judges were Dolce, the winning the winning teams 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.560 wore Dolce and every single talent portion that they had, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.640 and the winners got a prize and like mentorship from 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.560 Dulce and Gabbana, which means they're trying to buy back 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:51.240 They're like credibility with marginalized audiences, essentially, because there has 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:56.400 been over a decade long's worth of like offenses from 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.280 Dolce and Gabana specifically that have been very raised cyst 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.800 against Chinese people, very racist against Black people, like very 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.680 like exploitative, homophobic, even like every kind of um as 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.199 Travel would say, and as Travel would say, all the 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:20.560 opias and isms, um how that's so gross. That's gross 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:27.000 and makes me feel really bad that, like where's the integrity, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.199 Like where's the person who should have said, um no, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.800 we're not taking your fucking money. You know, Deshaun always 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:38.119 wears Dolce custom Dolce looks on the show, so I 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.280 wasn't hugely surprised that appeared. There was like a little 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.320 bit of a relationship there, but like I'll bet you, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.840 I bet you Law made it happen. Like Law has 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.680 talked about how he still works with Dolce and stuff 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.440 um on in interviews before me is making like a 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.560 very concentrated, almost like pop cultural blitz. Greup right now, 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.960 because I don't know if you were really aware of this, 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:07.760 but they dressed the entire Courtney Kardashian Travis Barker way 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.560 in a way. Yeah, they did all of the looks 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.439 for all the Kardashians for the whole wedding weekend in 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.520 a way where it almost looked like a campaign. So 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.840 they're really like they are trying to use their money 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.720 to just buy their way back into pop culture's good graces, 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.800 and it's work. I mean, they're never going to go away. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.560 I mean in fashion specifically, they are an iconic fashion house. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.240 That's it's that's always been true. So you know, it's 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.239 not surprising to me that a lot of people are 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:39.919 going to cross the lines and go ahead and wear it. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.359 But it's like, yeah, it kind of sucks for everyone 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.760 in the show though, because I'll bet you there are 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.880 people on the show that really hated that and didn't 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.639 want to do it, but they have no say, because 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.920 it means they don't have a job. But like Jamila 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:58.800 like that with everything she stands for. I mean, like, girl, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.200 we're rooting for you. But I was like, what, get 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.240 the dull j off the screen. I'm not watching that. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.159 But you know which faggot I was watching? As I 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.640 said before, and as I said, I think last episode, 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:15.320 I'm having like a You and McGregor renaissance. And when 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.679 I watched Down with Love with our friend La La 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.040 last week, she asked if I'd ever seen I Love 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.919 You Philip Morris, and I hadn't. Have you seen it? 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.080 I watched it like when it came out ages ago. 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.919 I watched it for the first time this weekend, and 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.639 love it's pretty funny. It is now my it's like 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.359 my favorite gay love story and like that kind of 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:38.120 joking but also kind of not um if I don't 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.000 know how I missed it when it first came out 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.879 came out in two thousand nine, but um, I didn't know, 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.200 like it's based on a true story. I thought the 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:51.120 romance between you and and Jim Carey was so sweet 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.240 and like adorable, the scene where they're dancing together in 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.760 their prison cell, and I loved how just fucking gay. 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.639 It's really gay, like it was, It's really gay. And 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.680 you know what, it reminded me. It reminded me that 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:10.680 gay people are so much more interesting than straight every 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.600 single time. And also this, you know, for those at 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.200 home being like, but I was played by two straight people. 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.600 First of all, allegedly. Second of all, we we have. 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:24.439 First of all, I don't. Second of all, like the 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.960 rose doom you rule is very important, and the rose 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.359 doom you rule goes as follows, which is, if a 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.520 straight man plays gay in anything, he has to take 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:37.919 it up the butt in the first five minutes of 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.520 the thing, and in this movie, it is taken up 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.960 the butt very quickly. I would not say that that's 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.680 you said that to me. You said that to me 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.880 very crystal clear. I think we were talking. We were 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.399 we were talking about in the first five minutes of Halls, 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:59.560 literally that which also stars in the first five minutes 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.879 of Halls, in which also stars you and McGregor, he 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.800 gets fucked in the ass within the first minutes. And 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:06.439 so I do believe, you know what, I believe that 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:08.480 if an actor has at one point played a role 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.080 in which they got fucked in the ass, on screen. 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.119 It's okay for them to play gay forever. Just kidding, 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.320 but I love you. Philip Morris two thousand nine. Two 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.000 nine was like a different time. This is back when 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.840 you know, men were still playing trans women and like 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:29.720 representation whatever. But it's just like a fun gay movie. 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:34.520 It's a really sweet, weird, funny gay love story and 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.000 I had a great time watching it, and it gets 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.639 something that is like my favorite thing in gay ship, 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:44.439 which is gay people that are despicable, like gay people 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:49.480 that are more Yes, my favorite favorite people are bad. 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.359 Gay people can be bad, and I love a movie 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.720 that acknowledges that queer people can be imperfect, be gay, 0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:16.480 do exactly exactly exactly. When we started being friends. There's 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:22.000 a lot of things that I pressured you into engaging with, 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:26.000 and I do think that Housewives is one of Housewives 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.280 is maybe the most concrete example, because there are a 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.080 lot of people in my life telling me to watch 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.760 Housewives and I did not listen to them until a 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.920 one Rose Dambu was like, no, no, no, real deal, 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.199 this is what you should do, and you gave me 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.000 a lot of really good um. I think, honestly, Housewives 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.600 is a very intimidating franchise to overcome because there's so 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.439 much of it, and you gave me, you know, an 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.600 idea of how to start, and I think that was 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.639 what was really helped. Yes, I I think if you 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:59.600 were going to start a Housewives journey and listen, I'm 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:01.840 not anyone out there that they need to do that 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.680 because it is something that that will rule your life 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:10.600 and if not ruined, yes, rule and ruined. But if 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.719 you are interested, it is I think important to figure 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:21.639 out which franchise you will vibe with the most, and 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:26.520 then from there, what is the right season or era 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.760 of that franchise to start with, because I don't think 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.800 it's true that you can just like not for everyone 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.520 at least, I don't think it's true that you should 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.439 pick a season and start at the beginning. Although I 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:42.160 will say I think to me, the best Housewives franchises 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.760 are ones that I can go back to the first 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.600 season and it's good from the beginning. But I know 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.760 that it's not true with every city. Yeah, and and 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.280 Rose and I are going to talk about, you know, uh, 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.119 the season's the franchises that we do watch and like, 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.600 what makes them unique or thematically interesting or whatever. But 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:05.040 I do think that the first season of New York 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:10.880 is exactly what you described, just this sublime, completely perfect 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.800 kind of era of TV that you can watch over 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.399 and over again. I think the first four seasons of 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.520 New York are just like a there's a lot of 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:20.720 ways to do it, but like I think, if you 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.000 watched the first four seasons of Seasons of New York, 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.080 it's like a perfect crash pad into the world that 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:31.480 is real Housewives. Yes, and there have been multiple eras 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.199 of Real Housewives of New York. I think there have 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.480 been eras like of the franchise in and of itself, 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.000 Like there was a time when these shows were very 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.200 like small and scrappy and like about these people's real lives, 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.919 and then they crossed a certain threshold where these women 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:56.680 were famous because they were housewives, but in a way 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.280 that the show never really addressed because it would be 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.920 breaking the four wall. And now we're in an era 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.400 of the fourth wall has been broken a little bit, 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:12.119 and I think every iteration of housewives, every city deals 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.399 with that in its own ways. I think probably the 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.560 way we see it happening now the most is when um, 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.880 a cast member has some kind of real life legal 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.960 drama and that's how the real world becomes part of 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.280 real housewives. Um. So it's it's just very interesting to 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.920 see how this has all changed. And you know, like 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.800 this is an entire like area of pop culture. There 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.520 have been books written about it. There's so many Housewives 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:44.320 podcasts and like and ours is really trying to not 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:47.520 be one. We're sorry for all the Housewives recaps, like, look, 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.720 but I think we do like we do pretty um 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:57.280 spare sparely, sparingly. Obviously, right now, the main focus of 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:02.600 Housewives is Beverley Hills. I think like Beverly Hills is 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:07.080 in a way the crown jewel of housewives because I 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:10.280 think it has I think New York has seated that 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.560 spot and Beverly Hills is the one that yeah, she 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.600 she is the girl. Um and it's certainly the one 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.680 airing right now that people seem to be the most 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.280 interested in, also largely because of the real life and 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.720 I think New York and Beverly Hills are kind of 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.920 there are two examples of Housewives that are very different 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.040 in like execution, but like, I think they are kind 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.480 of the best of the best in terms of cast members, 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.960 in terms of drama in terms of like seasons, long 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.479 longevity of like what makes the show is good. But 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.560 I think to kind of differential. I think it's important 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.240 to differentiate them because, first of all, the girls in 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.080 Beverly Hills make the girls in New York look like 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.240 like very like you know, just like poor almost, but 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.760 like the New York girls are socialites, and they're very 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:03.040 grounded in the reality of being socialites, of getting very 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.280 drunk out at night and like engaging in antics that 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:08.760 way and finding drama that way. York. New York is 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.800 simply more fun and Beverly Hills is more Yeah, New 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.200 York is a little more human. New York has a 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.880 little more wit. I think a kind of classic New 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.880 York wit is injected in the show, specifically with Bethany, 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.000 who is kind of the narrator of the act of 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.840 the whole show for all the seasons that she's in 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.800 UM and I think she really is such a stronghold 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.280 for what that show stands for. And if you don't 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.560 know who Bethany is, she's just kind of like, I mean, 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.640 I don't even know how to describe her. She's kind 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.760 of just a psychotic, like amazing clap clapbacker who is. 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.720 She's very good at crystallizing exactly what's going on and 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:51.680 dictating it. There's there's really no bullshit. And that's why 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:56.040 Bethany is so great on how Sizes because she says 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.440 exactly what she thinks at all, and she's so relatable 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.160 but all so an egomaniac, so it makes her like 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.640 very manic and like make bad decisions sometimes we're like 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.320 in Beverly Hills, it's Lisa vander Pump right, you know, 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:14.480 and her objectivity compared to like Bethany's is like opulence, 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:19.040 not being relatable, being very like proper and having a 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:24.360 kind of air about her that's all about like class elitism, pompousness. 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.960 Like I think that I don't know. I think those 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.480 two as like archetypes for each franchise, like set you 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.640 up for what to expect from like the rest of 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:37.560 the show. Well, it's interesting how every franchise has someone 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.640 who is kind of clearly the protagonist um or like 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.360 the show is centered around them and their social circle, 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.360 and it's usually like that the show started that way 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.720 and then kind of spun out as new cast members 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.520 came in and out, um like rounding out, what I 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.360 would say is the trio of the best Housewives iterations 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.640 would be Atlanta. I think Atlanta, New York, and Beverly 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.280 Hills are top three, and so like, in the early 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.240 days of Atlanta, I would say, you know, Nini was 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.000 really the protagonist of the show, and I do think 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.800 that Candy eventually became that, although at times it was 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.360 also kind of cynthia Um. But then like you go 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:23.880 and look at Beverly Hills, and like Kyle has always 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:28.000 been the protagonist of Beverly Hills and like continues to 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.240 be even though she's fucking boring. But you know, in 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.880 the early seasons, everything was very much from her point 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.760 of view, and she was the one who had family 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.680 drama because her sister was on the show. Her other 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.200 sister is on the show now, And that is when 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.240 Housewives is at its best, is when it's not um 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.880 drama between two people who like have become best friends 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.880 for TV and like it's being fabricated between them, but 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.840 real life, interpersonal drama that is finding its way on 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.640 a TV because there are cameras around. Like That's that's 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.200 one reason why I think the early seasons of New 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.520 Jersey are so good. Is because and continue to be 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:12.280 is because a lot of the people on the show 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:17.400 are related, and so you're seeing like real family ship 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.640 playing out on this. You know this under these insane 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.240 you know, Truman show circumstances, you stole my goddamn house 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.720 um a Beverly Hills reference to To go back to 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.080 the Nini of it all, it must be said that 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:39.400 Nini helped Housewives as an as an entire franchise transcend 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.840 in the culture. Like her as a meme queen and 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:51.920 her completely like irreplicable ability to grab attention from literally 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.479 any scene is like brought Housewives as a whole to 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.680 another level, which is why Nini is the highest paid 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.720 house I've in the history of Housewives. And it's also 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.040 why nine when she had her very public like breakup 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:10.319 with Bravo, she said to Andy, no one knew who 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.560 you were until they knew who I was, so you 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.920 better put some respect on my name. And I was like, period, Mama, 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.279 it's true. And you know what I realized recently is 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.759 that um, like in the way that the that the 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.880 fourth wall is being broken, that's even now started to 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.480 apply to Andy too, because he only ever showed up 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:34.600 for the reunions. And in the last episode I saw 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.520 of Beverly Hills the current season, because I'm still behind, 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.799 they were showing pictures from his baby shower, and that's 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.319 not something that would have happened a couple of seasons ago. 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.920 They would not have referenced him outside of the row. 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.920 The breaking of the fourth wall is very interesting to me, 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.080 but I think that the times that it does happen, 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.479 I do, it does become more riveting to me. Like, 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.520 I mean, I think a little bit about um, the 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.000 second season of Beverly Hills, which is, you know, one 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.080 of the hardest seasons to watch but also one of 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:11.720 the most dramatic. We're in Taylor Armstrong's but yes, which again, 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.080 like this is another way that like Housewives like transcends 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.360 through culture. And then we say things that we didn't 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.600 even know come from Housewives, which I didn't know and 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.040 now we said it comes from the second season of 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.400 Beverly Hills. Ala Camille Grammar, who used to be one 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.960 of my favorite housewives of all time until she had 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:34.000 such a very public um meltdown about how much she 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:38.160 loves Brent Kavanaugh. Um. But anyways, I was gonna say 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.920 when Taylor Armstrong is very corrupt and physically and emotionally 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:46.520 abusive husband commits suicide. It was like the breaking up 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.440 the fourth wall to them, Max, and you know, what 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.960 happens in that season is very unfortunate. Yet I remember 0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:59.560 as a viewer being like, oh my god, and I 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:06.480 felt milarly with Denise's season. Um when Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, bravo, 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.319 which if you don't know the context for that, there's 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.720 an iconic moment where Denise basically is like she's basically 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.600 over filming, and she says Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, as if 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.520 like saying bravo means that you are no, you can't, 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.600 you can't use the footage anymore. Um. And apparently that 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:28.000 comes that originates from Lisa vander Pump who used to 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.560 do it in early seasons of Beverly Hills when she 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.600 was like in her makeup trailer and she wasn't ready 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.560 for camera. She'd be like, no, no, no, you can't 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.399 film yet. Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. UM. But Denise, who had 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.160 only been on the show for like two seasons, thinks 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.000 that she's good enough to use it when the girls 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:47.040 in actuality apparently never never break character like that. What 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.759 do you think of the breaking character of at all? 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.759 Do you think they're playing characters or do you think 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.799 they're playing themselves or both? How I think that there 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.200 is a spectrum of it. There are some people who 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.399 I absolutely believe cannot not be who they are, Like 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:08.399 someone like Teresa Jude Ice, who is you would look 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.960 at the things she does and you would think, like, 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.120 this is this, This is like so crazy that no 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.520 one could make this up. And I really do believe 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:21.800 that she is just that kind of insane person. And 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:23.880 like she you know, she flipped the table in the 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.439 first season of Real Housewives of New Jersey, Like that's 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.360 just who she is. I'm sure as the years have 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:34.759 gone by she has learned that it is better for 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.240 her to give into her impulses because it makes good TV. 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.839 Like I think that becomes a slippery slope. So I 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.920 do think that. I'm sure there are some people who 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.360 come on the show, and it's usually I think the 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.680 you know, friends of or like New Housewives who like 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.400 only last season, who come on and think they can 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.680 do a bit, play a character, and it doesn't work 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.560 out because we like the Housewives who really are seemed 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.239 genuine in even if that's like in a bad way. 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:06.600 But I would say that for the most part, everyone 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:10.719 is performing a heightened version of themselves, and like this 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.040 is something we've talked about, like in our own lives, 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.480 like something that we do on a much smaller scale 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.319 on social media. These women are doing on a much 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:23.040 bigger scale on TV. And I think, like I think 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.600 Ramona to me is the most crystal clear example of 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:30.719 someone who literally cannot be anything other than herself, Like 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:35.880 she is so horrible and says such flagrantly racist things 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:40.120 on camera. Um. Mary Cosby of Salt Lake is also 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.080 like that, where it's like this woman does not care 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.840 if the cameras are here or not. She's not performing 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.960 this is she is just an asshole. Honestly. I think 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.320 Kim Richards is kind of that Kathy at Kathy Hilton 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.200 as well. I think they're they're very themselves, And I 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:00.400 think Kim is very kind of the opposite of Kyle, 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.880 who is very aware of the cameras, very aware of 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.719 strategy how she appears on camera. Um, but Kyle is 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.480 very good at it. She's good at making herself feel human. 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.200 And you know, the door and the girl next door. 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.359 Like she thinks of herself as the girl next door. 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.320 She thinks she's like the beating heart of the show. 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.239 I think she's kind of a boring cast member. But 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.759 she is boring, but I think that's part of I 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:30.000 think that's part of what works is she's always involved 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.319 in the drama, but she but not enough to the 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.719 point where she really burns bridges. The only time we 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:39.000 saw that was with her and Lisa vander Pump which 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.799 and look who won, Like Kyle was the one who 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.120 stayed on the show and Lisa left. Although you know 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.280 you can you can argue about whether or not that's winning, 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.600 Like maybe Lisa once she got to leave, she got 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.040 to be the one who left, like on her terms. 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.520 I think Lisa really captured what it means to be 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.280 a great housewife. I think she has a lot of qualities. 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:16.280 What do you think makes like a good housewife? Someone 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:22.520 who is aware that they're on television in both a 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.600 good way in a bad way, Like someone who knows 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.839 that they're on TV so they are amping things up, 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.480 and also someone who knows they're on TV and so 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:38.120 they're not going to be like an absolute total fucking mess, 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.319 Like I want you to forget the cameras are there sometimes, 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.759 but like for the most part, you know, you know 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:50.600 that they're they're like, um, lou Anne, Yes, lu Anetomy 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.520 is lou Antony is God to your housewife because so 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.640 much of what she does on camera is performative. She 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:02.080 is a meme of herself, but she doesn't let that 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.560 get in the way of being a mess. Like we've 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.840 seen Luanne fall down, We've seen two of her marriages 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.480 fall apart, We've seen her like go to prison, deal 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:18.640 with her drinking problems, Like she knows the value of 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:24.960 being a mess on TV, and she I think tries 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.480 to fix it all the time. And when she tries 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.439 to fix it, she makes it worse. And I and 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.360 and a lot of times, you know, when it's not 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.640 very dark, when it's like more in the funny periods, 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:39.279 like it is like it's it's what makes her, it's 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.920 what makes housewives in general so fun most of the time, 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.479 which is like camp in its purest form, camp that's 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.760 like not aware of itself. And Luanne has no idea 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.279 that when she says eggs a la France, like she 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:54.919 doesn't know that what she's saying is ridiculous, but she's 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.439 saying it for the camera, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.080 it's so And you know, in recent years, I think 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.239 she has been more aware of that. Like I think 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.240 her whole you know, Cabaret moment is her leaning into 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.600 the camp of it all and playing up the character. 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:17.240 But you know, she's still she still has like the 0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.880 the fact that she's a fucking nightmare to balance that 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.360 out every day of my life. I regret not seeing 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.359 the Countess in Friends Live. I I I know we 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.480 if it comes back, we need to think she's going 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.280 to come back. She'll come back with with Sonia, Sonia 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.040 doing a dance where her top accidentally falls off or whatever, 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.200 because now she and Sonja are doing a spinoff show 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.920 that's like the simple that sounds insane but also is 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.440 a perfect show idea. We have to talk about the 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:48.160 fact that the best part of any Housewive season is 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.319 when they trip. It's the girls trip, and which is 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:56.440 why Ultimate Girls Trip the show was so good because 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.680 it combined that like vacation thing with also what we've 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.759 been talking about, like the breaking the fourth aspect and 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.760 Housewives All Stars version yes, but there have been some 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:11.480 truly iconic trips, and obviously the best one ever Scary 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.160 Scary Island, I mean debatable scary Island. Yeah, I think 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.080 it's scary Island. What do you think is better? I mean, 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:24.520 oh god, there the Beverly Hills takes some really trip 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:29.000 the Berkshires. There's a lot of Berkshire's episodes, sure, but 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:35.399 but Kelly ben Simone versus Bethany Go to Sleep Like 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.600 Kelly ben Simone is someone who you absolutely know that 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:44.879 she is a total fucking psycho and does not even 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.560 realize that there are cameras really, like, I mean a 0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.800 lot of them are really like a lot of the housewives, 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.000 especially in New York Housewives like operate at like a 0:43:55.040 --> 0:44:00.160 fourth grade reading level, Like they really really cannot Like 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:04.720 Kelly really like does herself dirty over and over again 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.520 because like a lot of times. And something that's kind 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.080 of hard to watch about the show sometimes and specific 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:14.560 to Kelly is that she's so clearly doesn't know what's 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:19.040 going on sometimes, like she like is actually having such 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:23.960 a hard time following why she's mad about something or 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.400 justifying She has no idea how to debate, She has 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:29.799 no idea how to back in argument, like they just 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:34.560 have no idea. A lot of these housewives, like Kelly, 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:39.279 have no idea how to navigate what should be extremely 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:44.400 simple moments of conflict resolution in human relationships. Um. And 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:46.560 because none of them are in therapy. Well, actually some 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.799 of the New York girls are in therapy um these days, 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.760 because like therapy has you know, become a little more 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:57.239 mains mainstream quote unquote. But like in early seasons, like 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:01.080 no house in early seasons of the show, no housewives 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:06.080 are in therapy, and it makes them all really really messy. Um. 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:08.840 I'd be curious to know actually what your thoughts, what 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:13.560 your thoughts are about Housewives when it started in the 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:17.799 golden seasons of New York, Beverly Hills and Atlanta, and 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.680 then what it feels like now. Yeah. I do think 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.200 a lot of its centers around the fact that they 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:29.040 weren't they weren't famous, and there wasn't the culture around 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.839 Bravo yet where they were doing Watch what Happens Live 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:38.560 and they were like doing like spawn, and that there 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:43.600 was a whole culture and economy around Housewives. So it 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:47.520 was really all about the show itself and they were 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:51.200 not celebrities outside of it, and so the drama was 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.000 very much focused on what happened on the show. And 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:57.239 now I think the drama plays out in so many 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.400 different ways, Like these girls are fighting on social media, 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.840 they're like going to prison, they're like, you know, in 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.959 huge legal battles like Erica Jayne or like gen Shaw. 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.200 They're getting like magazine covers, or you know, like they're 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.280 they're having successes that like are in the real world. 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.920 It does kind of feel like Housewives is like the 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.960 reality show version of the m c U. And like 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:24.120 at the beginning, there were a couple independent movies that 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:28.760 people liked watching, and now it is a sprawling multiverse 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:33.239 that has become this cultural monolith, and that is like 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:38.200 it is. It is like actually impossible to not engage 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.239 with at least some of it. And honestly, like on 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.000 the topic of like then and now that some the 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.640 part of this multiverse that I'm really not pleased with 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.200 and yet I cannot stop talking about because it is 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:53.880 very interesting to me is the way that for the 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:58.240 first time in Housewives history, they're all talking about racism, 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.520 you know what I mean, Because the show, every single 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:08.239 franchise has been almost agnostic of like any sort of 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.960 discussion of like race or like justice or like you know, 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.560 like there, it's very antithetical to woke culture. And you 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:19.800 can tell that the producers produce around politics and produce 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.840 around the fact that they're all Republicans, right, and and 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.359 and cast around them because for a very long time, 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:32.800 the different franchises were exactly exactly And now they're realizing 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:37.880 that diversity is a thing, um, and they're casting diversely, 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.360 and that of course means that these women are going 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:44.120 to have conversations about it. I honestly think it started 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:49.560 with UM Carol's Seasons of New York, which took which 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:53.600 were you know, the Trump election era, UM, the era 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:57.960 where luanded blackface and also some offensive things about indigenous 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.799 people in this country and then that all and then 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.920 that went into like diverse casting. Then it went into 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.440 you know, the twenties that were in now UM. And 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.279 it's really hard to watch these women have these conversations 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.440 because the majority of them have no freaking idea what 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.640 they're talking about. And I don't really want to hear 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.200 them talk about it because a lot of them are 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:23.640 like disseminating misinformation. Yeah, and like I mean, there's like 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:27.560 a there's a problematic part of this in that a 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:31.399 lot a lot of what is so great about Housewives 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:35.959 is the escapism of it, and so I feel bad 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.680 when when one of those moments happens. I'm like, oh, like, 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:40.560 this is not what I want out of the show, 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:42.759 Like I don't want to see what's happening in the 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:47.480 real world being reflected here. But like, I guess it 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:52.360 should be like these women have so much insane privilege 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:57.160 and that you know that should be um disrupted, Um, 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:01.080 they should have to reckon with it. But it's it's 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:05.359 like not, it's never going to be a real house 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.560 live show. Is not the right circumstances to get a 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.440 psychopath like Ramona Singer to reckon with the fact that 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:17.359 she's racist. And I still don't understand why Ramona has 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.879 a job like to this day, like women have been 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:23.160 fired for things that are way worse than what Ramona 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.759 does on an episode by episode basis something I'll also 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:32.040 say that's really ugly about how these women handle conversations 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.799 like this is now they're figuring out how much they 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:41.319 can weaponize social media or weaponize woke culture to prove 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.799 points or to get what they want. I'm waiting into 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:48.040 very murky territories here. So Jen Shaw, is this really 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.400 really horrible cast member of Salt Lake City, a franchise 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.680 you don't watch yet. All you need to know is 0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:57.520 that she is like Ramona level horrible destructive. I know, 0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:59.560 I know who she is. I watched I watched half 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:02.279 of the first season. Okay, she's a bad person. She's 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.520 a bad person to a lot of people and to 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:06.799 everyone in her life. And now she has had a 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.759 huge legal battle that everyone knows about, where she's basically embezzled, 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.640 you know, a billion dollars from like disabled people, old people, 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:19.319 just like m vulnerable vulnerable classes of people, and so 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:22.319 on the reunion of the most recent season, she went 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.480 out of her way so many times to say, and 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:27.600 I shoot you not. This is not an exaggeration. She 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:33.520 was like, if you don't believe me, you don't support 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:38.360 women of color. That's literally what this woman is is saying. 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:42.640 And she like, it's it's actually that rudimentary and baseline 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:46.879 stupid um. She is like flattening like what it means 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:48.880 to be a brown person in this country to her 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:52.839 advantage to like circumnavigate responsibility around something really horrible that 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.000 she did that she is not copying to and like, 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.880 you know, everything that happened to her family in the 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.240 wake of all this, every that happened to her kids 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.359 and her husband, like that I'm taking out of this, 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.160 Like that is horrible and no one should ever go 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.440 through it. But like to just say, point blank, like 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.680 support me because I'm a brown person, like come on. 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:16.160 And then Jenny also in this season, did a version 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:19.200 of the same thing, and it's just like I I 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.040 actually like don't want to hear these women use the 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.919 word gaslighting anymore, which you haven't watched the most recent 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.480 of Beverly Hills. But Kyle tries to use the word 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.680 gaslighting at least three different times, and each time she 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.880 used it and probably has no idea it has no idea, 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:40.080 and she but she knows the cultural power of a 0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:44.200 word like gaslighting and how it transcends on Twitter, and 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:46.439 so she's able to say it knowing that there will 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.880 be people who will support her or jen Sha or 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:55.440 whoever blindly because they've been you know, conditioned to support 0:51:55.480 --> 0:52:12.319 people that support woke culture. So to speed, it's crazy. 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.080 If you were a housewife, what would your tagline be 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:20.879 maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's childhood trauma, it's 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.680 it's it's work, it's work being workshops. What about you. 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:26.120 I may not be a real woman, but I am 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.759 a real housewife. No, no, no, no, no no no, 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:34.640 I do think. I do think. The all time best 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.680 one is Bethany saying I may not be a housewife, 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:44.160 but I am real. Like, that's so good. Bethany is 0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:48.680 so good at doing this specific thing, and I hope 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.359 that she comes back. Although have you have you been 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.799 fed her on tickto God? I have the algorithm has 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.719 not finished me in that way. Every every time she 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.680 comes up, it's like a scare because she, I guess, 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.319 is like trying to be a beauty TikToker, and so 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.080 it's always her really close to the screen putting on 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:12.040 I makeup, and it's really frightening. I mean, I love Bethany, 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.719 but yeah, no, she really cannot use social media to 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:18.040 save her life, not properly. I love Bethany too, but 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:22.120 I love her on Housewives all the other things she's 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.239 tried to do. You know, be strong is great. I'm like, 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.160 you know what, that's great. She's a humanitarian whatever. But 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:32.720 like that Hrio Max show she did was kind of dumb. 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:36.759 Her podcast. I listened to one episode of it. I 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.839 was like, Nope, I say, I like her very specifically 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.399 in the context of housewives, and that's where I want, 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.360 know what, And I do hope that that is actually 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:51.279 true for me for every housewife. To this day, I 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.680 do not follow a single real housewife on Instagram, not one. Oh. 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.320 I follow a couple of them, but it is very specific. 0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:03.880 I do not give out a housewives follow unless I'm 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:08.640 truly committed. I think the only housewives I currently follow 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:13.720 our lou Ann and Sonja. I used to follow Sonja, 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.799 but but I unfollowed. Yeah, I just I only want 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:20.760 them in the show. Also, just side no um that 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.600 that housewive tagline, I may not be a housewife? Was 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:25.799 that the season where there was a season of New 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:30.000 York where every single cast member either was not a 0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:34.040 wife or didn't have a house because remember like Tinsley 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:37.120 like was homeless for a while, and then well that's 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.600 the thing. That's the thing with New York especially is 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:43.120 that all of them are poor. Now, yes, that's why 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.080 this most recent season of New York was such a 0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:48.719 flop and it's like you're gonna go to the Turkish 0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:53.319 baths them. It's all fake, like they're all they all 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:56.839 have like judgments against them and they're not good at 0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.520 stoking conflict anymore. And then they put in Ebony k 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.680 Willie Ms, who is trying to ground them all in 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.640 a reality but just it just didn't work. And I'm 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:11.280 I'm I'm just I'm glad that New York is being 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.960 rebooted a little. It'll be interesting to see how that happens, 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.040 because I don't I don't know if you kind of 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:20.440 like read in depth the interview with Andy Cohen about 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.400 what they're doing for the virgins, what what for the virgins? 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:28.799 They are doing I think two new versions of House 0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:30.880 Lives of New York, which is one will be rebooted 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:32.600 with a different cast and then one will be kind 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:37.360 of like a spinoff with the the Legacy stars. And 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:40.359 I don't know, maybe that's the Sonja and Luanne show, 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:42.759 Maybe that's the spot that that's filling, or maybe there 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.080 will be another thing. It's a really good solved. I mean, 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.960 you have probably said, like if not to me on 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.760 this show, like fire all of them, like you really 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.640 wanted them all gone. Yeah, I want them all gone. 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.040 I want to start from scratch, Start from scratch. Are 0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.239 you watching any of the new franchises? Have you watched 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:03.080 Dubai It? No, I want to watch Dubai I love 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:08.200 Salt Lake City slash Salt Lake City honestly came very 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.719 close to dethroning Beverly Hills as my favorite franchise. It 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.879 was that good and remains that good. But I think 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:18.600 it needs a little more time before it becomes that iconic. 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:21.520 You know, um, what about you? I I haven't watched 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:25.400 any of the newer ones. You know, Potomac seems like 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:28.640 the big, the biggest like blind spot for me because 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:33.960 I really have tried, and I just can't find someone 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.920 in it to latch onto to make me feel invested. 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:41.040 And I've tried like the different ways people told me, like, oh, 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.840 skip the first season, skip the second season, But every 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:46.799 time I've tried it just like haven't found the right 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:49.440 entry point. So I say start with season five. And 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.920 the thing with Housewives is I already watched way too 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:56.440 much Housewives. I really don't need to watch more Housewives. 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:59.640 But you know, the next time I'm home in Florida 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:02.600 and I'm at my mom's house and there's a marathon 0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:06.759 on TV, I absolutely will just tune in. And that's 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.200 the great thing about housewives is you can just plug 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:13.279 in at really any moment and there will always be 0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:17.520 a recap. You will always get immediately like what's going on? 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:23.920 Who hates who? And that is beautiful. Nicki Minaje mediating 0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:33.240 the Potomic reunion was so amazing and it exceeded expectations. 0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.640 It was so lack of doodle, like not what I 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:40.920 expected to happen. Um, but damn, they really committed to 0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:44.280 that and she was so good. I think, you know, 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.560 if I were to give prescriptions for Potomac or honestly 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:51.800 just all the franchises that I watch, obviously you need 0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:53.200 to watch all of Salt Lake City, and I think 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:55.680 it's really easy to get into it, um for any 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:59.320 virgin to Salt Lake starting from episode one. With Potomac, 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.200 I think from episode five, and then watch the current, 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:05.800 which I think is only three seasons total. Um. That is, 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:09.160 when there's a fight that happens between Monique and Candice, 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.840 that sets a whole new wave of drama and motion, 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.560 and I think establishes the relationships between all the characters 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:21.520 very easily. Um, New York, I think it's watched the 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:25.480 first four, then I think I don't know, and then 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:27.800 you get into Sonya. I think Sonia has like season five, 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:31.120 or say, but I think you skipped the seasons with Heather. Yes, 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:36.160 you only watch New York when Bethany's on it. That's 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:39.280 really what it is. Yes, that is what it is. Um, 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.840 but don't watch the Bethany Carroll season that has the 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:47.200 Trump election, because that one is the worst most triggering 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:50.600 episode of TV I have ever watched, is when they're 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:55.320 waiting for the results of the two six election. I 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:57.760 don't ever want to see it or think about it again. No, 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:01.200 it was fucked up. You know, I will say the 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.600 woman with the wooden leg that was not a Bethany season. 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:10.000 Oh my god. Yeah. The only thing fake about me 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:15.560 is this a Viva dresser, her wooden leg a viva 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.040 But really, like I mean to be full circle about this, Like, 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.720 I do think that the first couple of seasons of 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:29.600 Beverly Hills are some of the best reality TV housewives period. Also, 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:33.280 the first couple of seasons of Atlanta are incredible. 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