1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Please tell me it's not about Tom. It's about Tom. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: It's not about to about Tom Rose. I know exactly 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: when you're gonna die, and I love that about me. Um, 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: we're obviously referencing one of the greatest cameos, one of 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: the crest cameos of all time, the psychic who was 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: on the first season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: The first season. It was the first season, and yesterday 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: we are talking about Real Housewives as a franchise, as 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: a pop cultural jugg or not. I feel like Housewives 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: is kind of polarizing. Like I personally just started watching 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: um in the pandemic, and so before that moment, I 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: really did not want to consume any Housewives content at all. 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: So if you have an aversion to it, maybe this 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: conversation will key you into why we love it so much. Yeah, 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: and we are going to go back to the beginning 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: and see how it all started, because this is like 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Um. Listen, 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: New York Virgins, we are coming for you. This is 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 1: an extra special announcement we are having a live show 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: on June at three dollar Bill in Brooklyn. Rose, I'm 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: so excited. Yes, we're doing our first live event. It's 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: gonna be so fun. We are going to have performers 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: and secret special guests and thrills, chills, ur audience participation, 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: splash zones. There will be a splash zone. Heartbreak will 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: feel good in a place like this. Producer Phoebe will 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: be there and might be you know, um, playing a 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: very stage manager, or she might be slinging you merch. 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: She might be you know, wrangling drag queens. Who knows 30 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: what will happen. So New York Virgins, Tri State Area virgins, 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: come spend a couple hours with us. It's going to 32 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: be a really fun time and we want you to 33 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: be there at our first ever live show during Pride. 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: You can get tickets um with the link in the 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: bio of our burner. That's like a Virgin. I'm sure 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: that Rose and I will put the ticket link in 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: our own personal bios as well. Lots of different bios. 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: You can find the ticket link in. Just find the 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: ticket link and buy a ticket and we will see 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: you there. Um, And there's gonna be a little bit 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: of a party after, so we'll get to hang with you. 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: How are you doing, Franny, Well, I mean, I'm exhausted. 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: I had a I had a very very bad travel 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: day on Saturday, that I do you really went through 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: it this weekend? It was nightmarish and I hope I 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: never experienced that again. But what did you do this weekend? Rose? 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: I feel like you had a quite a the opposite 48 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: weekend and that it was very lax and luxurious. I 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: did it was? I Um. I rented a cabin in 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Big Bear for a couple of days. I wanted to 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: do a little writing retreat Vaca moment, and I just 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: spent my whole trip outside writing on the porch, going 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: in the hot tub. And then I also did like 54 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: watch a lot of TV at night after I was 55 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: you know, done writing for the day. Then I let 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: myself watch TV and read Star Wars fan fiction, my 57 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: like my current vice. Yeah. I finally started watching Obi 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: Wan Kenobi, which I'm really enjoying the season. And you know, 59 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but the Star 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Wars fandom on the internet is really tomic. It's like 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: and the racism got to such a fever pitch that 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: you and McGregor had to like make a video statement 63 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: about it and say like, if you are racist, you 64 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: are not a Star Wars fan, and like get out, 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: we did. We didn't know that happened. That's so it's cool. 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: It's it's good to see Disney and like the talent 67 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: finally making a stand in this fandom. But it's still 68 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: really upsetting and a lot and so many people are 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: like hate this show, and I think it's really great 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: and it really has me back on my you and 71 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: McGregor bullshit, my Star Wars bullshit. The prequels are really 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: like what I grew up with, and I do love 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: that era of Star Wars, so this is really hitting 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: a sweet spot for me. I've never gotten into any 75 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: sort of Star Wars original series, Like the whole Baby 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: Yoda thing. I was like, even that couldn't make me 77 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: watch the show. We're gonna need to do a Star 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Wars episode virgins. If you would like to hear that, 79 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: let us know. I would like that, but I don't 80 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: want to watch like the New Ones. I only want 81 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: to watch the the the O G three. Okay, well, 82 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: another thing that I watched when I was in Big 83 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: Bear was the entire first season of the Sex Lives 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: of College Girls. Did you watch that when it was on? No. 85 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: All I remember is that every one told me to 86 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: watch The Sex Lives of College Girls when it came out, 87 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: because they were like, oh my god, it's surprisingly good. 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, the fact that like so many 89 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: people in a row are telling me it's quote unquote 90 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: surprisingly good, I think is a little bit of a 91 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: red flag, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the 92 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: latest person to tell you it is surprisingly good. The 93 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: pilot is pretty bad in terms of how it's written, 94 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: like it's very much hello fellow teenagers, like writers trying 95 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: to replicate what they think teenagers talk like, but that 96 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: that gets less and less as the show goes on, 97 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: and there were several moments where I laughed out loud 98 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: watching it. One of the lead girls is Polly and 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: challom Timothy shallowmy sister, and she does kind of look 100 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: like Timothy shallowme with boobs. What huge boobs, huge jugs, jugs. 101 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen a meme you've you posted 102 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: of Timothy with huge jugs, and that's based when his 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: sister looks like, oh my god, well, I mean gender 104 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: goals honestly, Um, but it's good. Yeah, I honestly need 105 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: respite after finally watching The Staircase, um, which I told 106 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: you very adamantly that I wasn't going to watch, but 107 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: that you and that when you did watch it this weekend, 108 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: you said you weren't going to talk about it on 109 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: the pod. Okay. So here's the thing about me is that, um, 110 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I don't no, no, no, sometimes I don't know 111 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And when I said I wasn't 112 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: going to watch The Staircase, I thought you were talking 113 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: about the Mormon Show with Andrew Garfield, which I did 114 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: also don't watch that. I loved it, but you will not. 115 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: I watched the pilot of that of the Andrew Garfield Show, 116 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: and let me tell you, I'm very happy that Andrew 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: Garfield has found kind of playing the same person over 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: and over again, which is kind of like it's kind 119 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: of like it's kind of like no, no, it's actually 120 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: like nice. It's like very nice conservative white I who 121 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: is insecure and not gay for some reason, like the 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: kind of gay. But that's the thing is like all 123 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: of it because but are very explicitly not gay, and 124 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: you're like, why just be gay? But but I do 125 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: ship him with his detective partner on the show. Yeah, 126 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the detective partner energy. Um, but to the staircase, to 127 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: the point of the staircase. You know, it's very good. Um, 128 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: it is like very gay, it's very bigeable, and I'm 129 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: not sure I would want to watch it if I 130 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: if I wasn't binging. Sometimes it is a little background 131 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: TV because of like, you know, a lot of exposition 132 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of like stuff like that. Um. It 133 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: does also sometimes feel like, you know, the undoing if 134 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: it was directed by Ariastar, But I I really you 135 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But but it's good, Like it's 136 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: a really good and if you haven't watched it, it's 137 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: basically just like Joanie Janie Janie, Tony collect Joni Mitchell 138 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: falls down the scene Toni Collette falls down a staircase. 139 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: She's extremely mangled and looks as if she's like murdered, 140 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: and the husband says he didn't do it, And you're 141 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: kind of following this story trying to figure out if 142 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: she actually fell or if she was murdered, and I 143 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: am not. And it's and it's based and it's based 144 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 1: off of a document It's based off a true story, 145 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and dom yes, Fran, I didn't know that, Fran, Yes, 146 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: it's it's this is It's based off of a true 147 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: story and a documentary about that story, which is kind 148 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: of what started the entire modern true crime genre. So 149 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: and so that's why I really liked the show. I mean, 150 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: outside of the great performances and the drama of it all, 151 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting take on what that 152 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: true crime genre is looking back to the thing that 153 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: created it. And what I love so much about Tony 154 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: Collette in it is that in these pieces of media 155 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: true crime, you know, where there's like some some dead 156 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: white woman, um that that person is usually incredibly abstracted 157 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: and like really absent from the narrative. And like that's 158 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: the thing with Kathleen in terms of like the reality 159 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: of this crime is like she's very unknowable because she 160 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: died and like most of the drama around her life 161 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: happened after she was dead, And this show, I think 162 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: does an amazing job of making her a real person, 163 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: like obviously a fictionalized version of that, but I think 164 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of inserting this woman back into her own 165 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: story it. Honestly, she Tony is so fucking captivating and 166 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: everything she does, but oh my god, honey in the 167 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: kitchen for Prestige TV, in the name of God, let 168 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: me she deserves Emmys. She deserves accomplishments and rim jobs. 169 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Accomplishments and rim jobs. And let me tell you also, 170 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: what Tony has to do physically with her body in 171 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: this show is so extremely difficult to do as an actor. 172 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: And yet Tony is so good at dying on screen, 173 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: and she has had to do this in countless movies, 174 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: and it has drawn such a new respect for for me. 175 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: I've always loved Tony, but it's like such a new 176 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: respect for me to realize that is as an actor, 177 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: it's actually extremely psychologically and physically difficult to do what 178 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: she does over and over again. And I hope that 179 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: this is like, you know, another award that she can win, 180 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: because she does. But she also what I appreciate her 181 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: as an actor is that she doesn't get trapped in it. 182 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: I think there was like, um, a video going around 183 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: on Twitter and then maybe also on TikTok of some 184 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: of someone asking her if she does method acting and 185 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: she was like, no, I think that's pretty stupid, UM, 186 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: which I love, Like you can just be good at 187 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: pretending and she really is exactly that's exactly it. Um. 188 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: But anyways, UM that I've that's basically all have been consuming, 189 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: aside from the new B sides that were released from 190 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: Scissa's control. Have you listened to that yet? I have not? Um, 191 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: how are they? I I mean, they're there. It's Scissa, 192 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: so it's always going to be like sublime and perfect 193 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: and beautiful and heartbreaking. UM. Some of these songs were 194 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: released on SoundCloud last year by her. UM. One of 195 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: them is called Jody, but on SoundCloud it was called 196 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: Jodie Foster. And that is actually my favorite of the 197 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: new releases. I've been having it on repeat in my head, 198 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: like literally, like the refrain plays in my head all 199 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: the time, all day every day. It's like that good. 200 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: But I think I just the release is just so 201 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: messy to me because like where is her album? And 202 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: what was with these SoundCloud songs? And like why are 203 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: these SoundCloud songs? All of a sudden, A part of 204 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: what I feel is like a absolutely perfect album that 205 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be touched at all, you know what 206 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: I mean? Like when Bowen on our pod. Um, if 207 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to Bowen's episode our Taylor Swift's Red episode, 208 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: it's very good. But when Bowen said on our pod 209 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: that Control is the blue of our generation, like that 210 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: really is the t Like I feel like Control to 211 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: me the same way Blue does just encapsulates our generation 212 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: perfectly with cultural references that we understand, with a heartbreak 213 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: that's like very relatable, with like really really like like poetic, 214 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: like true poetry in the lyricism that is sometimes abstract 215 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: and sometimes crystal clear. Like that is so blue. And 216 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Joanie would never you know, release Blue and then like 217 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: release a bunch of B sides like like it would 218 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: just kind of taint the purity of something that is 219 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: so perfect. And I think Control perfect, um. I mean actually, 220 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: like Joonie did release B sides um like a few 221 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: years ago actually, but like that doesn't count. That's like 222 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: fifty years, you know what I mean. And they were 223 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: really good B sides, but Joe Rogan did take them 224 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: away from us. I love a B side. But also, 225 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, part of making art is editing and is 226 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: about being intentional about what what you leave in the 227 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: work you're making. And what you take out of it. 228 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: And part of the reason why some of the most 229 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: iconic albums of all time are the way they are 230 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: is because of those choices that were made. And like, 231 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: especially if you listen to an album, you know, from 232 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: beginning to end, like you're listening to it the way 233 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: that the artist wanted you to, and like that is 234 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: intentional in and of itself. So like, yes, it's always 235 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: great to get some B sides, but I still find 236 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: myself thinking of, you know, the original as as the 237 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: that's the thing that I'm going to want to go 238 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: back to. Yeah. Same, And it's like I'm not mad 239 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: at says there anything. It's just like I just I 240 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: think I would have been very happy for any of 241 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: these tracks to be released as singles, Like I didn't 242 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: think that they need to be tacked onto something that 243 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: is so untouchable and Scissa is so untouchable to me. Um, 244 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: but anyways, those are those that's my music take for 245 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: the week. Yeah, I will need to listen to that. 246 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: I also, um, Lucky Lee just released a new album 247 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: that I need to listen to. So hopefully I'll have 248 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: some updated music thoughts next week. While we're on the 249 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: music portion. Have you listened to Christina's Spanish language album? 250 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: I have not. It's apparently going to be a series 251 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of Spanish language albums question Mark. I don't actually have 252 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: the intel on this, but um, it's really good. I 253 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: mean a lot of it is like very generic, but 254 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: like to hear Christina in this genre which is sometimes 255 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: like like straight up mariachi, like soul like ballad mariachi 256 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: is like so good. Um, and it's kind of giving 257 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: what I wish Omar Apollo gave. And honestly, her Spanish 258 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: like isn't that bad? Like I I feel like, you know, 259 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: she it's it's not perfect, but she commits to it. 260 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that I really appreciated, is 261 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: that when you've ascended to the level as high as Christina, like, 262 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty major play to say I'm going 263 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: to do a Spanish language album, So you know, I'm 264 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: glad she's doing it. Good for her, Good for her? 265 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about her dick? It's kind 266 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: of baity to me, but maybe Christina pegs her husband 267 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: just I have a lot of doubts, but like, can't 268 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: it just be a gag that she like wore a 269 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: strap on. I mean, do we have to plummet for 270 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: a deeper meaning? Unfortunately with me, I have no choice 271 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: but to intellectualize and overprocess everything. However, as you're saying it, 272 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you're right. Um, I will tell you 273 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: that I saw a movie last night that you would 274 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: there would be absolutely no way for you to extract 275 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: any kind of deeper meaning from, which is Jurassic World. 276 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know the newest Jurassic World movie, um, 277 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: which you know. The whole thing about it is that 278 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: it's reuniting all of the stars of the original Jurassic Park, 279 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: Laura Dern, Jeff Goldbloom, and Sam Neil. And it's crazy 280 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: to watch a two and a half hour Jurassic Park 281 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: movie in which the dinosaurs are not even really the 282 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: main feature of the movie. So the movie do I 283 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: even want to know? The last movie ended with dinosaurs 284 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: now being out in the world, and I thought that 285 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: would be the premise of this movie, like, that's really interesting, 286 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: what's the world like when dinosaurs live among us? Instead, 287 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: it takes a sharp turn away from that and becomes 288 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: about this like tech pharmaceutical company who have used um 289 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: like dinosaur DNA to make these crazy locusts that are 290 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: like eating all of the world crops, And so the 291 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: movie weirdly becomes about rehistoric but but bugs and corporate 292 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: espionage obviously, and it's just really weird. It was very long. 293 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: It's also a lot about clones, because there's a clone girl, 294 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: and and like I just the point of Jurassic Park 295 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: is the dinosaurs. It is not. It's yes, it's about 296 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: the humans trying to survive the dinosaurs, but it's about dinosaurs. 297 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: So to watch a movie in which the dinosaurs are 298 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: like a secondary thing, What babe, what are we doing here? 299 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: Makes no sense to me? And that's infuriating because I 300 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: really do love Jurassic Parks so much. The last movie 301 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: I do too. It's a little bit of a flop. Yeah, 302 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: and I still had a good time. There were some 303 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: good moments. There's um there's a scene Bryce Stallas Howard 304 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: honestly was one of the best parts of the movie, 305 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: her and Laura Dern And there's a scene where Bryce 306 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: Stallice Howard is crawling into a swamp to get away 307 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: from this dinosaur, and it actually was probably the best 308 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: part of the movie. It was incredibly tense, um. And 309 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of thing you want when you 310 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: are watching a Jurassic Park movie. You want to see 311 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: people trying to not get eaten or people getting eaten 312 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: by dinosaurs. Yeah, exactly, And there was not there was 313 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: not enough of that. And also, you know, hate Chris 314 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: Pratt um or Crisp Crisp Ratt as he is referred 315 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: to ums. But you know, Laura Dern looked amazing, was amazing. 316 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: I just wish she hadn't spent most of her time 317 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: in the film talking about bugs. And the bugs were 318 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: really great. I don't want to hear about the fucking bugs. 319 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: That sounds stupid. Get the get the bug off the screen. 320 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm not watching that speaking of something that I wanted 321 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: off the screen. This week, I'm not going to recap 322 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: the legendary finale that aired because they just have too 323 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: many thoughts on it. But girl, the finale opens and 324 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: the judges you know, aren't coming out to present, you know, 325 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: they always present their kind of look or whatever. And 326 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: DeShawn goes today's episode. He didn't say it like this, 327 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: but basically was like and today's episode is brought to 328 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: you by Dolce and Gabbana, and every single look that 329 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: you see on the runway today is by Dolce and Gabbana. 330 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: All the judges were Dolce, the winning the winning teams 331 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: wore Dolce and every single talent portion that they had, 332 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: and the winners got a prize and like mentorship from 333 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: Dulce and Gabbana, which means they're trying to buy back 334 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: They're like credibility with marginalized audiences, essentially, because there has 335 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: been over a decade long's worth of like offenses from 336 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: Dolce and Gabana specifically that have been very raised cyst 337 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: against Chinese people, very racist against Black people, like very 338 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: like exploitative, homophobic, even like every kind of um as 339 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: Travel would say, and as Travel would say, all the 340 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: opias and isms, um how that's so gross. That's gross 341 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: and makes me feel really bad that, like where's the integrity, 342 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: Like where's the person who should have said, um no, 343 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: we're not taking your fucking money. You know, Deshaun always 344 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: wears Dolce custom Dolce looks on the show, so I 345 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: wasn't hugely surprised that appeared. There was like a little 346 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: bit of a relationship there, but like I'll bet you, 347 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: I bet you Law made it happen. Like Law has 348 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: talked about how he still works with Dolce and stuff 349 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: um on in interviews before me is making like a 350 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: very concentrated, almost like pop cultural blitz. Greup right now, 351 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: because I don't know if you were really aware of this, 352 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: but they dressed the entire Courtney Kardashian Travis Barker way 353 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah, they did all of the looks 354 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: for all the Kardashians for the whole wedding weekend in 355 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: a way where it almost looked like a campaign. So 356 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: they're really like they are trying to use their money 357 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: to just buy their way back into pop culture's good graces, 358 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: and it's work. I mean, they're never going to go away. 359 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean in fashion specifically, they are an iconic fashion house. 360 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: That's it's that's always been true. So you know, it's 361 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: not surprising to me that a lot of people are 362 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: going to cross the lines and go ahead and wear it. 363 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, it kind of sucks for everyone 364 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: in the show though, because I'll bet you there are 365 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: people on the show that really hated that and didn't 366 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: want to do it, but they have no say, because 367 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: it means they don't have a job. But like Jamila 368 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: like that with everything she stands for. I mean, like, girl, 369 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: we're rooting for you. But I was like, what, get 370 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: the dull j off the screen. I'm not watching that. 371 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: But you know which faggot I was watching? As I 372 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: said before, and as I said, I think last episode, 373 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm having like a You and McGregor renaissance. And when 374 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: I watched Down with Love with our friend La La 375 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: last week, she asked if I'd ever seen I Love 376 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: You Philip Morris, and I hadn't. Have you seen it? 377 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: I watched it like when it came out ages ago. 378 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: I watched it for the first time this weekend, and 379 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: love it's pretty funny. It is now my it's like 380 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: my favorite gay love story and like that kind of 381 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: joking but also kind of not um if I don't 382 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: know how I missed it when it first came out 383 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: came out in two thousand nine, but um, I didn't know, 384 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: like it's based on a true story. I thought the 385 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: romance between you and and Jim Carey was so sweet 386 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: and like adorable, the scene where they're dancing together in 387 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: their prison cell, and I loved how just fucking gay. 388 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: It's really gay, like it was, It's really gay. And 389 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: you know what, it reminded me. It reminded me that 390 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: gay people are so much more interesting than straight every 391 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: single time. And also this, you know, for those at 392 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: home being like, but I was played by two straight people. 393 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: First of all, allegedly. Second of all, we we have. 394 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't. Second of all, like the 395 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: rose doom you rule is very important, and the rose 396 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: doom you rule goes as follows, which is, if a 397 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: straight man plays gay in anything, he has to take 398 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: it up the butt in the first five minutes of 399 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: the thing, and in this movie, it is taken up 400 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: the butt very quickly. I would not say that that's 401 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: you said that to me. You said that to me 402 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: very crystal clear. I think we were talking. We were 403 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: we were talking about in the first five minutes of Halls, 404 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: literally that which also stars in the first five minutes 405 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: of Halls, in which also stars you and McGregor, he 406 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: gets fucked in the ass within the first minutes. And 407 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: so I do believe, you know what, I believe that 408 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: if an actor has at one point played a role 409 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: in which they got fucked in the ass, on screen. 410 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: It's okay for them to play gay forever. Just kidding, 411 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: but I love you. Philip Morris two thousand nine. Two 412 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: nine was like a different time. This is back when 413 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, men were still playing trans women and like 414 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: representation whatever. But it's just like a fun gay movie. 415 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: It's a really sweet, weird, funny gay love story and 416 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: I had a great time watching it, and it gets 417 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: something that is like my favorite thing in gay ship, 418 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: which is gay people that are despicable, like gay people 419 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: that are more Yes, my favorite favorite people are bad. 420 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: Gay people can be bad, and I love a movie 421 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: that acknowledges that queer people can be imperfect, be gay, 422 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: do exactly exactly exactly. When we started being friends. There's 423 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I pressured you into engaging with, 424 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: and I do think that Housewives is one of Housewives 425 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: is maybe the most concrete example, because there are a 426 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: lot of people in my life telling me to watch 427 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: Housewives and I did not listen to them until a 428 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: one Rose Dambu was like, no, no, no, real deal, 429 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: this is what you should do, and you gave me 430 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: a lot of really good um. I think, honestly, Housewives 431 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: is a very intimidating franchise to overcome because there's so 432 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: much of it, and you gave me, you know, an 433 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: idea of how to start, and I think that was 434 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: what was really helped. Yes, I I think if you 435 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: were going to start a Housewives journey and listen, I'm 436 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: not anyone out there that they need to do that 437 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: because it is something that that will rule your life 438 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: and if not ruined, yes, rule and ruined. But if 439 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: you are interested, it is I think important to figure 440 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: out which franchise you will vibe with the most, and 441 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: then from there, what is the right season or era 442 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: of that franchise to start with, because I don't think 443 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: it's true that you can just like not for everyone 444 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: at least, I don't think it's true that you should 445 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: pick a season and start at the beginning. Although I 446 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: will say I think to me, the best Housewives franchises 447 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: are ones that I can go back to the first 448 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: season and it's good from the beginning. But I know 449 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: that it's not true with every city. Yeah, and and 450 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Rose and I are going to talk about, you know, uh, 451 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: the season's the franchises that we do watch and like, 452 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: what makes them unique or thematically interesting or whatever. But 453 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: I do think that the first season of New York 454 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: is exactly what you described, just this sublime, completely perfect 455 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: kind of era of TV that you can watch over 456 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: and over again. I think the first four seasons of 457 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: New York are just like a there's a lot of 458 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: ways to do it, but like I think, if you 459 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: watched the first four seasons of Seasons of New York, 460 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: it's like a perfect crash pad into the world that 461 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: is real Housewives. Yes, and there have been multiple eras 462 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: of Real Housewives of New York. I think there have 463 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: been eras like of the franchise in and of itself, 464 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: Like there was a time when these shows were very 465 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: like small and scrappy and like about these people's real lives, 466 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: and then they crossed a certain threshold where these women 467 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: were famous because they were housewives, but in a way 468 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: that the show never really addressed because it would be 469 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: breaking the four wall. And now we're in an era 470 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: of the fourth wall has been broken a little bit, 471 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: and I think every iteration of housewives, every city deals 472 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: with that in its own ways. I think probably the 473 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: way we see it happening now the most is when um, 474 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: a cast member has some kind of real life legal 475 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: drama and that's how the real world becomes part of 476 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: real housewives. Um. So it's it's just very interesting to 477 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: see how this has all changed. And you know, like 478 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: this is an entire like area of pop culture. There 479 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: have been books written about it. There's so many Housewives 480 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: podcasts and like and ours is really trying to not 481 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: be one. We're sorry for all the Housewives recaps, like, look, 482 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: but I think we do like we do pretty um 483 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: spare sparely, sparingly. Obviously, right now, the main focus of 484 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: Housewives is Beverley Hills. I think like Beverly Hills is 485 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: in a way the crown jewel of housewives because I 486 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: think it has I think New York has seated that 487 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: spot and Beverly Hills is the one that yeah, she 488 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: she is the girl. Um and it's certainly the one 489 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: airing right now that people seem to be the most 490 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: interested in, also largely because of the real life and 491 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: I think New York and Beverly Hills are kind of 492 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: there are two examples of Housewives that are very different 493 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: in like execution, but like, I think they are kind 494 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: of the best of the best in terms of cast members, 495 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: in terms of drama in terms of like seasons, long 496 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: longevity of like what makes the show is good. But 497 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: I think to kind of differential. I think it's important 498 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: to differentiate them because, first of all, the girls in 499 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills make the girls in New York look like 500 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: like very like you know, just like poor almost, but 501 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: like the New York girls are socialites, and they're very 502 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: grounded in the reality of being socialites, of getting very 503 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: drunk out at night and like engaging in antics that 504 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: way and finding drama that way. York. New York is 505 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: simply more fun and Beverly Hills is more Yeah, New 506 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: York is a little more human. New York has a 507 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: little more wit. I think a kind of classic New 508 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: York wit is injected in the show, specifically with Bethany, 509 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: who is kind of the narrator of the act of 510 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: the whole show for all the seasons that she's in 511 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: UM and I think she really is such a stronghold 512 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: for what that show stands for. And if you don't 513 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: know who Bethany is, she's just kind of like, I mean, 514 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe her. She's kind 515 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: of just a psychotic, like amazing clap clapbacker who is. 516 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: She's very good at crystallizing exactly what's going on and 517 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: dictating it. There's there's really no bullshit. And that's why 518 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: Bethany is so great on how Sizes because she says 519 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: exactly what she thinks at all, and she's so relatable 520 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: but all so an egomaniac, so it makes her like 521 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: very manic and like make bad decisions sometimes we're like 522 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills, it's Lisa vander Pump right, you know, 523 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: and her objectivity compared to like Bethany's is like opulence, 524 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: not being relatable, being very like proper and having a 525 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: kind of air about her that's all about like class elitism, pompousness. 526 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: Like I think that I don't know. I think those 527 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: two as like archetypes for each franchise, like set you 528 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: up for what to expect from like the rest of 529 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: the show. Well, it's interesting how every franchise has someone 530 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: who is kind of clearly the protagonist um or like 531 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: the show is centered around them and their social circle, 532 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: and it's usually like that the show started that way 533 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: and then kind of spun out as new cast members 534 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: came in and out, um like rounding out, what I 535 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: would say is the trio of the best Housewives iterations 536 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: would be Atlanta. I think Atlanta, New York, and Beverly 537 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: Hills are top three, and so like, in the early 538 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: days of Atlanta, I would say, you know, Nini was 539 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: really the protagonist of the show, and I do think 540 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: that Candy eventually became that, although at times it was 541 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: also kind of cynthia Um. But then like you go 542 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: and look at Beverly Hills, and like Kyle has always 543 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: been the protagonist of Beverly Hills and like continues to 544 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: be even though she's fucking boring. But you know, in 545 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: the early seasons, everything was very much from her point 546 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: of view, and she was the one who had family 547 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: drama because her sister was on the show. Her other 548 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: sister is on the show now, And that is when 549 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: Housewives is at its best, is when it's not um 550 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: drama between two people who like have become best friends 551 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: for TV and like it's being fabricated between them, but 552 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: real life, interpersonal drama that is finding its way on 553 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: a TV because there are cameras around. Like That's that's 554 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: one reason why I think the early seasons of New 555 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: Jersey are so good. Is because and continue to be 556 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: is because a lot of the people on the show 557 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: are related, and so you're seeing like real family ship 558 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: playing out on this. You know this under these insane 559 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, Truman show circumstances, you stole my goddamn house 560 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: um a Beverly Hills reference to To go back to 561 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: the Nini of it all, it must be said that 562 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: Nini helped Housewives as an as an entire franchise transcend 563 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: in the culture. Like her as a meme queen and 564 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: her completely like irreplicable ability to grab attention from literally 565 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 1: any scene is like brought Housewives as a whole to 566 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: another level, which is why Nini is the highest paid 567 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: house I've in the history of Housewives. And it's also 568 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: why nine when she had her very public like breakup 569 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: with Bravo, she said to Andy, no one knew who 570 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: you were until they knew who I was, so you 571 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: better put some respect on my name. And I was like, period, Mama, 572 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: it's true. And you know what I realized recently is 573 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: that um, like in the way that the that the 574 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: fourth wall is being broken, that's even now started to 575 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: apply to Andy too, because he only ever showed up 576 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: for the reunions. And in the last episode I saw 577 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills the current season, because I'm still behind, 578 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: they were showing pictures from his baby shower, and that's 579 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: not something that would have happened a couple of seasons ago. 580 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: They would not have referenced him outside of the row. 581 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: The breaking of the fourth wall is very interesting to me, 582 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: but I think that the times that it does happen, 583 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 1: I do, it does become more riveting to me. Like, 584 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a little bit about um, the 585 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: second season of Beverly Hills, which is, you know, one 586 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: of the hardest seasons to watch but also one of 587 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: the most dramatic. We're in Taylor Armstrong's but yes, which again, 588 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: like this is another way that like Housewives like transcends 589 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: through culture. And then we say things that we didn't 590 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: even know come from Housewives, which I didn't know and 591 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: now we said it comes from the second season of 592 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Ala Camille Grammar, who used to be one 593 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: of my favorite housewives of all time until she had 594 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: such a very public um meltdown about how much she 595 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: loves Brent Kavanaugh. Um. But anyways, I was gonna say 596 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: when Taylor Armstrong is very corrupt and physically and emotionally 597 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: abusive husband commits suicide. It was like the breaking up 598 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: the fourth wall to them, Max, and you know, what 599 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: happens in that season is very unfortunate. Yet I remember 600 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: as a viewer being like, oh my god, and I 601 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: felt milarly with Denise's season. Um when Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, bravo, 602 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: which if you don't know the context for that, there's 603 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: an iconic moment where Denise basically is like she's basically 604 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: over filming, and she says Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, as if 605 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: like saying bravo means that you are no, you can't, 606 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: you can't use the footage anymore. Um. And apparently that 607 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: comes that originates from Lisa vander Pump who used to 608 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: do it in early seasons of Beverly Hills when she 609 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: was like in her makeup trailer and she wasn't ready 610 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: for camera. She'd be like, no, no, no, you can't 611 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: film yet. Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. UM. But Denise, who had 612 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: only been on the show for like two seasons, thinks 613 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: that she's good enough to use it when the girls 614 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: in actuality apparently never never break character like that. What 615 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: do you think of the breaking character of at all? 616 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: Do you think they're playing characters or do you think 617 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: they're playing themselves or both? How I think that there 618 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: is a spectrum of it. There are some people who 619 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: I absolutely believe cannot not be who they are, Like 620 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: someone like Teresa Jude Ice, who is you would look 621 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: at the things she does and you would think, like, 622 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: this is this, This is like so crazy that no 623 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: one could make this up. And I really do believe 624 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: that she is just that kind of insane person. And 625 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: like she you know, she flipped the table in the 626 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: first season of Real Housewives of New Jersey, Like that's 627 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: just who she is. I'm sure as the years have 628 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: gone by she has learned that it is better for 629 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: her to give into her impulses because it makes good TV. 630 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: Like I think that becomes a slippery slope. So I 631 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: do think that. I'm sure there are some people who 632 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: come on the show, and it's usually I think the 633 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, friends of or like New Housewives who like 634 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: only last season, who come on and think they can 635 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: do a bit, play a character, and it doesn't work 636 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: out because we like the Housewives who really are seemed 637 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: genuine in even if that's like in a bad way. 638 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: But I would say that for the most part, everyone 639 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: is performing a heightened version of themselves, and like this 640 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: is something we've talked about, like in our own lives, 641 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: like something that we do on a much smaller scale 642 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: on social media. These women are doing on a much 643 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: bigger scale on TV. And I think, like I think 644 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: Ramona to me is the most crystal clear example of 645 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: someone who literally cannot be anything other than herself, Like 646 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: she is so horrible and says such flagrantly racist things 647 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: on camera. Um. Mary Cosby of Salt Lake is also 648 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: like that, where it's like this woman does not care 649 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: if the cameras are here or not. She's not performing 650 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: this is she is just an asshole. Honestly. I think 651 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: Kim Richards is kind of that Kathy at Kathy Hilton 652 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: as well. I think they're they're very themselves, And I 653 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: think Kim is very kind of the opposite of Kyle, 654 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: who is very aware of the cameras, very aware of 655 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: strategy how she appears on camera. Um, but Kyle is 656 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: very good at it. She's good at making herself feel human. 657 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: And you know, the door and the girl next door. 658 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: Like she thinks of herself as the girl next door. 659 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: She thinks she's like the beating heart of the show. 660 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: I think she's kind of a boring cast member. But 661 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: she is boring, but I think that's part of I 662 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: think that's part of what works is she's always involved 663 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: in the drama, but she but not enough to the 664 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: point where she really burns bridges. The only time we 665 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: saw that was with her and Lisa vander Pump which 666 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: and look who won, Like Kyle was the one who 667 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: stayed on the show and Lisa left. Although you know 668 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: you can you can argue about whether or not that's winning, 669 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: Like maybe Lisa once she got to leave, she got 670 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: to be the one who left, like on her terms. 671 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: I think Lisa really captured what it means to be 672 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: a great housewife. I think she has a lot of qualities. 673 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: What do you think makes like a good housewife? Someone 674 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: who is aware that they're on television in both a 675 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: good way in a bad way, Like someone who knows 676 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: that they're on TV so they are amping things up, 677 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: and also someone who knows they're on TV and so 678 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: they're not going to be like an absolute total fucking mess, 679 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: Like I want you to forget the cameras are there sometimes, 680 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: but like for the most part, you know, you know 681 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: that they're they're like, um, lou Anne, Yes, lu Anetomy 682 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: is lou Antony is God to your housewife because so 683 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: much of what she does on camera is performative. She 684 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: is a meme of herself, but she doesn't let that 685 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: get in the way of being a mess. Like we've 686 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: seen Luanne fall down, We've seen two of her marriages 687 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: fall apart, We've seen her like go to prison, deal 688 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: with her drinking problems, Like she knows the value of 689 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: being a mess on TV, and she I think tries 690 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: to fix it all the time. And when she tries 691 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,439 Speaker 1: to fix it, she makes it worse. And I and 692 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of times, you know, when it's not 693 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: very dark, when it's like more in the funny periods, 694 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: like it is like it's it's what makes her, it's 695 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: what makes housewives in general so fun most of the time, 696 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,479 Speaker 1: which is like camp in its purest form, camp that's 697 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: like not aware of itself. And Luanne has no idea 698 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: that when she says eggs a la France, like she 699 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 1: doesn't know that what she's saying is ridiculous, but she's 700 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,439 Speaker 1: saying it for the camera, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, 701 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: it's so And you know, in recent years, I think 702 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: she has been more aware of that. Like I think 703 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: her whole you know, Cabaret moment is her leaning into 704 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: the camp of it all and playing up the character. 705 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 1: But you know, she's still she still has like the 706 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: the fact that she's a fucking nightmare to balance that 707 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: out every day of my life. I regret not seeing 708 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: the Countess in Friends Live. I I I know we 709 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: if it comes back, we need to think she's going 710 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: to come back. She'll come back with with Sonia, Sonia 711 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: doing a dance where her top accidentally falls off or whatever, 712 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: because now she and Sonja are doing a spinoff show 713 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: that's like the simple that sounds insane but also is 714 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: a perfect show idea. We have to talk about the 715 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: fact that the best part of any Housewive season is 716 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: when they trip. It's the girls trip, and which is 717 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: why Ultimate Girls Trip the show was so good because 718 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: it combined that like vacation thing with also what we've 719 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: been talking about, like the breaking the fourth aspect and 720 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: Housewives All Stars version yes, but there have been some 721 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: truly iconic trips, and obviously the best one ever Scary 722 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: Scary Island, I mean debatable scary Island. Yeah, I think 723 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: it's scary Island. What do you think is better? I mean, 724 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: oh god, there the Beverly Hills takes some really trip 725 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: the Berkshires. There's a lot of Berkshire's episodes, sure, but 726 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,399 Speaker 1: but Kelly ben Simone versus Bethany Go to Sleep Like 727 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: Kelly ben Simone is someone who you absolutely know that 728 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 1: she is a total fucking psycho and does not even 729 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: realize that there are cameras really, like, I mean a 730 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: lot of them are really like a lot of the housewives, 731 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: especially in New York Housewives like operate at like a 732 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: fourth grade reading level, Like they really really cannot Like 733 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 1: Kelly really like does herself dirty over and over again 734 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: because like a lot of times. And something that's kind 735 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: of hard to watch about the show sometimes and specific 736 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: to Kelly is that she's so clearly doesn't know what's 737 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: going on sometimes, like she like is actually having such 738 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: a hard time following why she's mad about something or 739 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: justifying She has no idea how to debate, She has 740 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: no idea how to back in argument, like they just 741 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: have no idea. A lot of these housewives, like Kelly, 742 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: have no idea how to navigate what should be extremely 743 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: simple moments of conflict resolution in human relationships. Um. And 744 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: because none of them are in therapy. Well, actually some 745 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: of the New York girls are in therapy um these days, 746 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,760 Speaker 1: because like therapy has you know, become a little more 747 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: mains mainstream quote unquote. But like in early seasons, like 748 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: no house in early seasons of the show, no housewives 749 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: are in therapy, and it makes them all really really messy. Um. 750 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: I'd be curious to know actually what your thoughts, what 751 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts are about Housewives when it started in the 752 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: golden seasons of New York, Beverly Hills and Atlanta, and 753 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: then what it feels like now. Yeah. I do think 754 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of its centers around the fact that they 755 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: weren't they weren't famous, and there wasn't the culture around 756 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: Bravo yet where they were doing Watch what Happens Live 757 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: and they were like doing like spawn, and that there 758 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: was a whole culture and economy around Housewives. So it 759 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: was really all about the show itself and they were 760 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: not celebrities outside of it, and so the drama was 761 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: very much focused on what happened on the show. And 762 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: now I think the drama plays out in so many 763 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: different ways, Like these girls are fighting on social media, 764 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: they're like going to prison, they're like, you know, in 765 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,959 Speaker 1: huge legal battles like Erica Jayne or like gen Shaw. 766 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: They're getting like magazine covers, or you know, like they're 767 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: they're having successes that like are in the real world. 768 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: It does kind of feel like Housewives is like the 769 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: reality show version of the m c U. And like 770 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: at the beginning, there were a couple independent movies that 771 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 1: people liked watching, and now it is a sprawling multiverse 772 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: that has become this cultural monolith, and that is like 773 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: it is. It is like actually impossible to not engage 774 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: with at least some of it. And honestly, like on 775 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: the topic of like then and now that some the 776 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: part of this multiverse that I'm really not pleased with 777 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: and yet I cannot stop talking about because it is 778 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: very interesting to me is the way that for the 779 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,240 Speaker 1: first time in Housewives history, they're all talking about racism, 780 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because the show, every single 781 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: franchise has been almost agnostic of like any sort of 782 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: discussion of like race or like justice or like you know, 783 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: like there, it's very antithetical to woke culture. And you 784 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: can tell that the producers produce around politics and produce 785 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: around the fact that they're all Republicans, right, and and 786 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,359 Speaker 1: and cast around them because for a very long time, 787 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 1: the different franchises were exactly exactly And now they're realizing 788 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: that diversity is a thing, um, and they're casting diversely, 789 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: and that of course means that these women are going 790 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: to have conversations about it. I honestly think it started 791 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: with UM Carol's Seasons of New York, which took which 792 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: were you know, the Trump election era, UM, the era 793 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: where luanded blackface and also some offensive things about indigenous 794 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: people in this country and then that all and then 795 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: that went into like diverse casting. Then it went into 796 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, the twenties that were in now UM. And 797 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: it's really hard to watch these women have these conversations 798 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: because the majority of them have no freaking idea what 799 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: they're talking about. And I don't really want to hear 800 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: them talk about it because a lot of them are 801 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: like disseminating misinformation. Yeah, and like I mean, there's like 802 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: a there's a problematic part of this in that a 803 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,399 Speaker 1: lot a lot of what is so great about Housewives 804 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,959 Speaker 1: is the escapism of it, and so I feel bad 805 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: when when one of those moments happens. I'm like, oh, like, 806 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: this is not what I want out of the show, 807 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to see what's happening in the 808 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: real world being reflected here. But like, I guess it 809 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: should be like these women have so much insane privilege 810 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: and that you know that should be um disrupted, Um, 811 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: they should have to reckon with it. But it's it's 812 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 1: like not, it's never going to be a real house 813 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: live show. Is not the right circumstances to get a 814 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: psychopath like Ramona Singer to reckon with the fact that 815 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: she's racist. And I still don't understand why Ramona has 816 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 1: a job like to this day, like women have been 817 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: fired for things that are way worse than what Ramona 818 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: does on an episode by episode basis something I'll also 819 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: say that's really ugly about how these women handle conversations 820 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: like this is now they're figuring out how much they 821 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: can weaponize social media or weaponize woke culture to prove 822 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: points or to get what they want. I'm waiting into 823 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: very murky territories here. So Jen Shaw, is this really 824 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 1: really horrible cast member of Salt Lake City, a franchise 825 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: you don't watch yet. All you need to know is 826 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: that she is like Ramona level horrible destructive. I know, 827 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: I know who she is. I watched I watched half 828 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: of the first season. Okay, she's a bad person. She's 829 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: a bad person to a lot of people and to 830 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: everyone in her life. And now she has had a 831 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: huge legal battle that everyone knows about, where she's basically embezzled, 832 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, a billion dollars from like disabled people, old people, 833 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,319 Speaker 1: just like m vulnerable vulnerable classes of people, and so 834 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: on the reunion of the most recent season, she went 835 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: out of her way so many times to say, and 836 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: I shoot you not. This is not an exaggeration. She 837 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: was like, if you don't believe me, you don't support 838 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: women of color. That's literally what this woman is is saying. 839 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: And she like, it's it's actually that rudimentary and baseline 840 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,879 Speaker 1: stupid um. She is like flattening like what it means 841 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: to be a brown person in this country to her 842 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,839 Speaker 1: advantage to like circumnavigate responsibility around something really horrible that 843 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: she did that she is not copying to and like, 844 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, everything that happened to her family in the 845 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: wake of all this, every that happened to her kids 846 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: and her husband, like that I'm taking out of this, 847 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: Like that is horrible and no one should ever go 848 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: through it. But like to just say, point blank, like 849 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: support me because I'm a brown person, like come on. 850 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: And then Jenny also in this season, did a version 851 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: of the same thing, and it's just like I I 852 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: actually like don't want to hear these women use the 853 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,919 Speaker 1: word gaslighting anymore, which you haven't watched the most recent 854 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. But Kyle tries to use the word 855 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: gaslighting at least three different times, and each time she 856 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 1: used it and probably has no idea it has no idea, 857 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: and she but she knows the cultural power of a 858 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: word like gaslighting and how it transcends on Twitter, and 859 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,439 Speaker 1: so she's able to say it knowing that there will 860 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: be people who will support her or jen Sha or 861 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: whoever blindly because they've been you know, conditioned to support 862 00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 1: people that support woke culture. So to speed, it's crazy. 863 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: If you were a housewife, what would your tagline be 864 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 1: maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's childhood trauma, it's 865 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: it's it's work, it's work being workshops. What about you. 866 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: I may not be a real woman, but I am 867 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,759 Speaker 1: a real housewife. No, no, no, no, no no no, 868 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: I do think. I do think. The all time best 869 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: one is Bethany saying I may not be a housewife, 870 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: but I am real. Like, that's so good. Bethany is 871 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: so good at doing this specific thing, and I hope 872 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: that she comes back. Although have you have you been 873 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: fed her on tickto God? I have the algorithm has 874 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: not finished me in that way. Every every time she 875 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: comes up, it's like a scare because she, I guess, 876 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: is like trying to be a beauty TikToker, and so 877 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: it's always her really close to the screen putting on 878 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: I makeup, and it's really frightening. I mean, I love Bethany, 879 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 1: but yeah, no, she really cannot use social media to 880 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: save her life, not properly. I love Bethany too, but 881 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: I love her on Housewives all the other things she's 882 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: tried to do. You know, be strong is great. I'm like, 883 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: you know what, that's great. She's a humanitarian whatever. But 884 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,720 Speaker 1: like that Hrio Max show she did was kind of dumb. 885 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: Her podcast. I listened to one episode of it. I 886 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,839 Speaker 1: was like, Nope, I say, I like her very specifically 887 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,399 Speaker 1: in the context of housewives, and that's where I want, 888 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: know what, And I do hope that that is actually 889 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: true for me for every housewife. To this day, I 890 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: do not follow a single real housewife on Instagram, not one. Oh. 891 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 1: I follow a couple of them, but it is very specific. 892 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: I do not give out a housewives follow unless I'm 893 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: truly committed. I think the only housewives I currently follow 894 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,720 Speaker 1: our lou Ann and Sonja. I used to follow Sonja, 895 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: but but I unfollowed. Yeah, I just I only want 896 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: them in the show. Also, just side no um that 897 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: that housewive tagline, I may not be a housewife? Was 898 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 1: that the season where there was a season of New 899 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: York where every single cast member either was not a 900 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: wife or didn't have a house because remember like Tinsley 901 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: like was homeless for a while, and then well that's 902 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: the thing. That's the thing with New York especially is 903 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: that all of them are poor. Now, yes, that's why 904 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 1: this most recent season of New York was such a 905 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: flop and it's like you're gonna go to the Turkish 906 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,319 Speaker 1: baths them. It's all fake, like they're all they all 907 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 1: have like judgments against them and they're not good at 908 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: stoking conflict anymore. And then they put in Ebony k 909 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: Willie Ms, who is trying to ground them all in 910 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: a reality but just it just didn't work. And I'm 911 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm glad that New York is being 912 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: rebooted a little. It'll be interesting to see how that happens, 913 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know if you kind of 914 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: like read in depth the interview with Andy Cohen about 915 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 1: what they're doing for the virgins, what what for the virgins? 916 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,799 Speaker 1: They are doing I think two new versions of House 917 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,880 Speaker 1: Lives of New York, which is one will be rebooted 918 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: with a different cast and then one will be kind 919 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: of like a spinoff with the the Legacy stars. And 920 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that's the Sonja and Luanne show, 921 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the spot that that's filling, or maybe there 922 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,080 Speaker 1: will be another thing. It's a really good solved. I mean, 923 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: you have probably said, like if not to me on 924 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,760 Speaker 1: this show, like fire all of them, like you really 925 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: wanted them all gone. Yeah, I want them all gone. 926 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: I want to start from scratch, Start from scratch. Are 927 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: you watching any of the new franchises? Have you watched 928 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: Dubai It? No, I want to watch Dubai I love 929 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City slash Salt Lake City honestly came very 930 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,719 Speaker 1: close to dethroning Beverly Hills as my favorite franchise. It 931 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,879 Speaker 1: was that good and remains that good. But I think 932 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,600 Speaker 1: it needs a little more time before it becomes that iconic. 933 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, um, what about you? I I haven't watched 934 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 1: any of the newer ones. You know, Potomac seems like 935 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: the big, the biggest like blind spot for me because 936 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: I really have tried, and I just can't find someone 937 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: in it to latch onto to make me feel invested. 938 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: And I've tried like the different ways people told me, like, oh, 939 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: skip the first season, skip the second season, But every 940 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: time I've tried it just like haven't found the right 941 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 1: entry point. So I say start with season five. And 942 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: the thing with Housewives is I already watched way too 943 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: much Housewives. I really don't need to watch more Housewives. 944 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 1: But you know, the next time I'm home in Florida 945 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: and I'm at my mom's house and there's a marathon 946 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: on TV, I absolutely will just tune in. And that's 947 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: the great thing about housewives is you can just plug 948 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: in at really any moment and there will always be 949 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: a recap. You will always get immediately like what's going on? 950 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 1: Who hates who? And that is beautiful. Nicki Minaje mediating 951 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: the Potomic reunion was so amazing and it exceeded expectations. 952 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: It was so lack of doodle, like not what I 953 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,920 Speaker 1: expected to happen. Um, but damn, they really committed to 954 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: that and she was so good. I think, you know, 955 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: if I were to give prescriptions for Potomac or honestly 956 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: just all the franchises that I watch, obviously you need 957 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 1: to watch all of Salt Lake City, and I think 958 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: it's really easy to get into it, um for any 959 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: virgin to Salt Lake starting from episode one. With Potomac, 960 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: I think from episode five, and then watch the current, 961 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: which I think is only three seasons total. Um. That is, 962 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: when there's a fight that happens between Monique and Candice, 963 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,840 Speaker 1: that sets a whole new wave of drama and motion, 964 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: and I think establishes the relationships between all the characters 965 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: very easily. Um, New York, I think it's watched the 966 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 1: first four, then I think I don't know, and then 967 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: you get into Sonya. I think Sonia has like season five, 968 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 1: or say, but I think you skipped the seasons with Heather. Yes, 969 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: you only watch New York when Bethany's on it. That's 970 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: really what it is. Yes, that is what it is. Um, 971 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,840 Speaker 1: but don't watch the Bethany Carroll season that has the 972 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: Trump election, because that one is the worst most triggering 973 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: episode of TV I have ever watched, is when they're 974 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: waiting for the results of the two six election. I 975 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: don't ever want to see it or think about it again. No, 976 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: it was fucked up. You know, I will say the 977 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 1: woman with the wooden leg that was not a Bethany season. 978 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. The only thing fake about me 979 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:15,560 Speaker 1: is this a Viva dresser, her wooden leg a viva 980 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,040 Speaker 1: But really, like I mean to be full circle about this, Like, 981 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,720 Speaker 1: I do think that the first couple of seasons of 982 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills are some of the best reality TV housewives period. Also, 983 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons of Atlanta are incredible. But 984 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: you know what, Like, I'm not going to say if 985 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 1: you are not a person who watches Housewives again, like, 986 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: I do not want to give you this disease that 987 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: we have, but I hope that at least if you 988 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 1: have decided to contract it, that these recommendations may help 989 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,280 Speaker 1: you do it in a safe way. This is harm reduction. 990 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Will you back next week with a discussion on the 991 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Devilwares product with comedian Nori Read so excited about that. 992 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you're wearing your Cerulean Chanel boots and tell 993 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: us what you want us to talk about next, whether 994 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: it's a movie, book, TV show, cultural phenomenon we want 995 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 1: to hear from you. You can call to confess at 996 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: three to three pennance. That's three to three seven three 997 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: six two six to three. You can also slide into 998 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: our d M s at like a virgin fore tag 999 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 1: us comment. 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