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Speaker 1: For Aaron Latowski, his sole responsibility is protecting his wife,

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about

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Speaker 1: a brand new case. It was so called Vigilante Dad.

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Speaker 1: His name was doctor Aaron Latowski. Take a listen now

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Speaker 1: to our friends at Fox ten. This is justin lum

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Latowski. His sole responsibility is protecting his wife,

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Speaker 1: three kids, and their nanny. Don't forget the family dog, Sadie,

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Speaker 1: who Latowski says alerted him late last night to a

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Speaker 1: break in. And so I came inside and I saw

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Speaker 1: that one of our side doors was open, and she

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Speaker 1: was barking down the hall towards my kid's bedrooms. Right away,

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Speaker 1: Latowski says, he grabbed his shotgun. Meanwhile, the rest of

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Speaker 1: the family was asleep. We never would have known. We

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Speaker 1: would have continue to sleep and sleep through it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful. Latowski went into his daughter's room,

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Speaker 1: where he says the suspect came out with a large

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Speaker 1: piece of wood, his face masked and his body naked too.

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Speaker 1: Karen start joining me, renowned psychologists joining us out of

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Speaker 1: New York. Karen, when you heard Mark class say it's

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Speaker 1: something primal, how do you interpret it? You're the one

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Speaker 1: with the psychology degree. You know. The whole time that

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Speaker 1: Mark was talking, and whenever I'm on with him, I

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Speaker 1: really do tend to agree with what he's saying. I

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Speaker 1: do know that that is something that parents feel. They

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Speaker 1: really do feel that their purpose is to take care

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Speaker 1: of their children. I've also known parents when their child

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Speaker 1: dies and there was nothing they could do when they

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Speaker 1: had an illness, something that killed them. Still feel guilt

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Speaker 1: and responsibility that they never get over because they believed

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Speaker 1: they were meant to take care of their children. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what father, in his right mind wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do exactly what doctor Aaron Latowski did. Yes, thank to you.

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Speaker 1: Levi Page clim online dot Com investigative reporter Refreshee with

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Speaker 1: the facts, Doctor Eron Latowski. It's about ten thirty, eleven

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Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and what exactly happened? But Nancy, it's Scottsdale,

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Speaker 1: Arizona's around eleven o'clock at night. And doctor Aaron Latowski,

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Speaker 1: he's a urologist. He'd been working late and he got

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Speaker 1: home and when he walked in the door, he noticed

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Speaker 1: that the Doberman, which is a great guard dog, Sadie,

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Speaker 1: was barking near his daughter's room. He opened the door

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Speaker 1: and this man was naked, wearing a mask, not a

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Speaker 1: mask that you wear to go to the grocery store

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Speaker 1: during a pandemic, but a mask covering his entire face.

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Speaker 1: And he said that this man had a piece of

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Speaker 1: wood in his hand, his arms were up in the

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Speaker 1: errand he lunged at him, and he shot him twice

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Speaker 1: and killed him. And this is what is really odd.

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Speaker 1: Police have not been able to identify that masked man

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Speaker 1: that he shot and killed. Wow, that's really odd. How

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Speaker 1: do you do that, Sherylmann com how do you not

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Speaker 1: know the dead guy is naked in the bedroom. Well,

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Speaker 1: clearly he didn't have a wallet on him. We don't

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Speaker 1: have ID. Nobody's reported him missing, so they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to use finger prints or some other means to identify him.

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Speaker 1: At this point, even I'm thinking back over what if anything,

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Speaker 1: else he could have done to Mark Klass joining me

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Speaker 1: found of Class Kids Foundation? What about it? Mark? What

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Speaker 1: else could the dad have done in that moment? Doctor

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Speaker 1: Lenkowski did exactly what he had to do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was protecting himself a wall, was protecting the rush

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Speaker 1: of the family because this individual was attacking him in

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Speaker 1: the dark with a board, with a baseball bat, with

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Speaker 1: some piece of wood that could could have destroyed the doctor.

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Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, he's perfectly within his

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Speaker 1: rights on every level that you we can even imagine,

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Speaker 1: for doing exactly what he did. Now, I find it

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Speaker 1: completely twisted that some people think that there should at

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Speaker 1: least be a grand jury into doctor Aaron Letowski's behavior.

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Speaker 1: We are learning now, we're just getting that. The victim's

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Speaker 1: name is Cameron Yo Yoe, eighteen year old Cameron yo

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Speaker 1: Now where is he from? Don't know what's his history?

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Speaker 1: Don't know that either. I mean when Cheryl McCollum said

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Speaker 1: he didn't have his wallet, that was a joke because

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Speaker 1: he was completely naked except for a mask that covered

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Speaker 1: his entire face. Guys, this is not the first so

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Speaker 1: called vigilante dad. Take a listen to w TT Fox

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Speaker 1: twenty eight Kelly Joyce. Eighteen year old Raymond Frolander standing

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Speaker 1: before a judge charged with sexual battery, his face swollen

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Speaker 1: and bruised. Daytona Beach Police a Frolander was beaten by

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Speaker 1: the father of the victim. I attacked him viciously and

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Speaker 1: I didn't stop. The only time I pause was to

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Speaker 1: go to the kitchen and retrieve the butcher knife because

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Speaker 1: I was going to kill him. This thirty five year

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Speaker 1: old father, Jason, says he walked in on Frolander, a

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Speaker 1: family friend, attacking his son. Jason told police he went

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Speaker 1: out for a bite to eat, and when he came back,

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Speaker 1: he heard something in the bedroom. All my sudden, Raymond

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Speaker 1: in the room. He called nine one one. I just

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Speaker 1: walked in front a clone man molesting and I got

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Speaker 1: him in a bloody puddle. For you right now, officer.

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Speaker 1: When Daytona Beach Police showed up, they found Frolander unconscious.

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Speaker 1: He was taken to the hospital, then to jail. Police

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Speaker 1: say Jason won't face any charges for the beating because

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Speaker 1: he was protecting his child as a crime was being committed.

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Speaker 1: Police also say Rolander admitted to the sexual battery. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about yet another case where a dad

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Speaker 1: walks in, finds their child under threat and takes action. Here,

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Speaker 1: as you heard him say to nine one one, he's

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Speaker 1: got it beaten into a bloody pulp. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to w t T Fox twenty eight Kelly Joyce. This

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Speaker 1: father wanted to show his face and let you know

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Speaker 1: he thinks his son is a hero because I was

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Speaker 1: going to kill him. My son stepped in front of

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Speaker 1: me and saved his life. He just left him and said, sir,

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Speaker 1: he shook his head and now I just put the

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Speaker 1: knife down. I wouldn't traumatize him anymore than he already was.

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Speaker 1: Jason says his family is trying to heal, but he

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Speaker 1: felt he needed to talk publicly about this case to

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Speaker 1: let all victims of sex crimes know they do not

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Speaker 1: need to be to come forward. Everybody wants to do

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Speaker 1: the you know, not my family, not my family, or

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Speaker 1: they gotta wait till it hits close to home. And

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Speaker 1: all the nine out of ten of these are an uncle,

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Speaker 1: a brother, something that Jason tells us his son is

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Speaker 1: in counseling. He says he's a very tough kid who

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Speaker 1: will get through this. He says this has not only

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Speaker 1: affected as family emotionally, but financially as well. To Mark Class,

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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, we're talking about who in

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Speaker 1: their right mind would want a dad prosecuted. If you

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Speaker 1: look online right now, there is a movement called Raymond

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Speaker 1: Frolander is Innocent. That's the guy that the dad here

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Speaker 1: Jason walks in on molesting his little boy. It's Raymond

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Speaker 1: Frolander and all these people online have created this side

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Speaker 1: Raymond Frolander is Innocent, and they say to the little boy,

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Speaker 1: please tell the truth to everyone. Now we know Raymond

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Speaker 1: did nothing to you. What about it, Mark Glass? And

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Speaker 1: we wonder, Wow, why are dad's prosecuted? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you just made the closing argument for everything we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier. I think the thing that stands out

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Speaker 1: about me about this case is there's a very precious

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Speaker 1: element right in the middle of it. And that's when

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Speaker 1: the little boy stands between his father and his abuser

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Speaker 1: and tells him not to go any further, not to

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Speaker 1: kill him, and the father then acknowledges that the son

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Speaker 1: is a hero for taking that very brave stand. But

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Speaker 1: look at the results. Look where it's at now. There

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Speaker 1: are people calling the perpetrator an innocent individual. And you

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Speaker 1: know you're going to find armchair quarterbacks absolutely everywhere, particularly

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Speaker 1: in this day and age, and we just need to

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Speaker 1: be protected from those guys. And how could that have happened? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know. Okay, Mark Klais, are you

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Speaker 1: sitting down? I am? You maybe should lay down on

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Speaker 1: this one. Other people in this group of Raymond fro

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Speaker 1: Lanard's innocent actually say this, do you know something more

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Speaker 1: than more about this was something going on between Jason

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Speaker 1: the dad and Raymond the alleged molester. Did Jason keep

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Speaker 1: his mouth closed on account of his father's behavior? So

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Speaker 1: they're not just saying they can't be happy. This is

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Speaker 1: what you call an internet troll. They can't be happy

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Speaker 1: saying well, you know, nothing happened, the dad's wrong. They

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Speaker 1: have to then go the other step and suggest some

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Speaker 1: relationship between the dad and the purp. It's it's so wrong,

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Speaker 1: Mark class speak to it. Well, it's absolutely pitiful. And

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Speaker 1: we see internet trolls going after everybody for almost anything

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Speaker 1: that is said or done online. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: who these people are. I don't know where these people

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Speaker 1: come from, but I wish that there was a way

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Speaker 1: that we could stop them. But again, there you are.

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Speaker 1: The First Amendment, not the Second Amendment, gives them the

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Speaker 1: right to blurt out whatever happens to be on their

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Speaker 1: mind and immemorialize it on the internet. It's pitiful and

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Speaker 1: it's sad, and these are people that should be ashamed

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Speaker 1: of themselves because they're just doing nothing more than inflicting

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Speaker 1: more and more and more harm on innocent people who

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Speaker 1: are trying to heal from a grievous injury. To Kurt Nermie,

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Speaker 1: renowned defense attorney who defending Jet the Arias, and author

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Speaker 1: Kart Ermie, I really do not believe that this dad

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Speaker 1: vigilante Dad Aaron Otowski is going to be prosecuted. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it's even going to go to a grand jury.

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Speaker 1: But if it does go to a grand jury, I

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Speaker 1: guarantee there's going to be a no bill. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. I don't even see it going to a

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Speaker 1: grand jury. I couldn't imagine the County Attorney's office seeking

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Speaker 1: to prosecute. But even if it goes before grand jury,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you, Nancy. I think it's not

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Speaker 1: a ham sandwich, but it would still die there as

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Speaker 1: they say, this dad is no defendant. This dad is

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Speaker 1: a hero. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace Scrib's story,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,