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Speaker 1: I was like, I made a music video, don't ask
Speaker 1: me how or why, but the attention of Dave Port,
Speaker 1: one of the funniest dudes ever. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think does a good rant. He's annoyed about something,
Speaker 1: it's crazy as long as it's not him about something,
Speaker 1: So that I could watch him express annoyance. I would
Speaker 1: love I told us when we talked the first time,
Speaker 1: when and when I was you know, w we're gonna
Speaker 1: have an argument about hunting. Yes, I would love to
Speaker 1: see you guys to talk about it, because I've never
Speaker 1: seen him lose an argument. He's do you think he'd
Speaker 1: come on this show and argue with me about hunting.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, he's smart enough to know when. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he's smart enough to know when. Like I
Speaker 1: think he doesn't want to hunt, but he knows the
Speaker 1: ethics where he's not going to get into an argument
Speaker 1: about like it's totally bad because he eats meat, and
Speaker 1: like he's smart enough to know that that's hypocritical. Oh yeah, So,
Speaker 1: like I think he just doesn't want to hunt, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But I don't think he likes
Speaker 1: the best kind of person on the planet, the best
Speaker 1: Like I was the whole planet didn't hunt but really
Speaker 1: supported it. So then you should like me because that's
Speaker 1: me right now I have I'm not a big hunter guy,
Speaker 1: but I eat a lot of meat. But now, actually
Speaker 1: you won't like me because now I'm coming into the
Speaker 1: I'm trying to start, you know what I mean. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'll stop liking you soon, I know soon, But I'm
Speaker 1: still bad enough shot that you still like me for
Speaker 1: a little bit. You want to hear a crazy hunting story,
Speaker 1: I would love Spencer will tell you one, tell him
Speaker 1: about the owl, Spencer, um yanni before I tell the story,
Speaker 1: Like what is the Latvian mantra when it comes to karma? Like,
Speaker 1: karma is a big part of stuff, right, Karma is
Speaker 1: a big part of Latvian stuff. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: heard you talk about karma a lot. Yeah, you, my Spencer,
Speaker 1: that our whole lens in the Lavian culture has attributes
Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily Lavian, that we described as Lavian. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe so maybe this isn't a Latvian thing, it's a
Speaker 1: honest thing. Yeah, totally, all right? All right, Well I
Speaker 1: thought I thought a lot about you, and this was happening.
Speaker 1: I was in eastern Montana this last weekend. Um, I
Speaker 1: was on my second day the haunt. There was moving spots.
Speaker 1: From my morning spot, it's my afternoon spot. On my drive,
Speaker 1: I came across an owl caughting a barbedwire fence. Great
Speaker 1: horned owl caught in a fence, caughting a barbed wire fence.
Speaker 1: So I pulled over to take pictures, and uh, I
Speaker 1: snapped a photo. Yeah, it was big. My brother hit
Speaker 1: one one time busted out the front grill and the
Speaker 1: headlight on this car owl. After being up close, I
Speaker 1: can understand why pulled over to take some pictures because
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is like kind of a cool
Speaker 1: poetic scene or something. I don't I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Like two tall animal way bigger that was Doug during
Speaker 1: was here. He didn't know already. He looked it up
Speaker 1: on his phone. Two feet is not a bad guess.
Speaker 1: Caught in the fence. So I take a few pictures.
Speaker 1: You thought there was poetry in watching this. I will suffer.
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't know that it was still alive.
Speaker 1: The whole scene from my pickup on the side of
Speaker 1: the road to the barbed wire fence looked like this
Speaker 1: was death. There were feathers in the ditch. It had
Speaker 1: um like evacuated its bowels in the snow. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see its head. I thought maybe it was decapitated. Gez.
Speaker 1: So I get, I get sort of close. I take
Speaker 1: a few pictures, and then it moves like, oh, this
Speaker 1: thing is still alive. Is a good Lavians always know that.
Speaker 1: I want to know more details about how it was
Speaker 1: caught bottom strand between two It looked like, no, it
Speaker 1: was in the top strand. It looked as though it
Speaker 1: had been crucified, like both wings were on the top
Speaker 1: barbedwire fence. That poetic yeah, and then it's the rest
Speaker 1: of his body was just hanging down. I have photos
Speaker 1: I can show you. Um after this, are you gonna
Speaker 1: put him on Instagram? I think so? All right, so
Speaker 1: everybody go to Instagram. Do you want me to do it?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna it? Uh? We'll figure it out later.
Speaker 1: Ey tell him your handle at Spencer New Hearth and
Speaker 1: eu H A R T H Spencer New Hearth and
Speaker 1: you will find photos of Spencer's h poetry. All his
Speaker 1: poetry is written in feathers. What's your guess was it?
Speaker 1: Was it swooping down to get something? So I have
Speaker 1: a pretty good answer on this part. I'll get to
Speaker 1: in a second. So I find this owl, realize it's
Speaker 1: still alive, get to work on getting it out of
Speaker 1: the fence. The one wing comes out pretty easy. The
Speaker 1: next wing, though, was like in there in there is
Speaker 1: he just biting at you. Nope, it was. It was
Speaker 1: very docile. Um. When you're up that close, the talents
Speaker 1: are like ridiculous on it. But the good news was
Speaker 1: I had my first light mits with me, which were
Speaker 1: like the biggest, heaviest wool winter gloves that they have,
Speaker 1: and I was able to handle it pretty confidently with those.
Speaker 1: So I kind of opened up its talents, which had
Speaker 1: a wing in one of its talents, and I pulled
Speaker 1: that out. It was like its yeah, it's talents were
Speaker 1: just kind of grasping at whatever it could get it.
Speaker 1: It had sort of grasped its own wing um, so
Speaker 1: that the next wing, though, would not come out. I
Speaker 1: tried as far as I could, could not get it up.
Speaker 1: But I had a players in my pickup, wrapped up
Speaker 1: in the bar wrapped up in the barb badly um.
Speaker 1: So I went to my pickup, got a players, and
Speaker 1: I cut the fence on both sides of the wing
Speaker 1: and then the owls and free. But I had like
Speaker 1: three inches a fence hanging out of its wing. I
Speaker 1: also I haul my camping gear in four totes. I
Speaker 1: keep it in in four totes that I don't know
Speaker 1: how big, maybe like thirty gallons or something. And I
Speaker 1: had one of the toads that were empty, so I
Speaker 1: put the owl in the toe in the back of
Speaker 1: my pickup. Did not have service where I was at,
Speaker 1: drove out about twenty miles to where I could get service,
Speaker 1: called the game warden. UM. After like calling five of them,
Speaker 1: one finally answered and he said, well, I would just
Speaker 1: leave it. Whatever happens happens, he said, And that wasn't well, no,
Speaker 1: you know what why it's not maybe not in disrespect
Speaker 1: to him, because like I wouldn't regard a fence like
Speaker 1: if you found it tangled up in a oh, like
Speaker 1: a coyote had got her sounding yeah, then I could
Speaker 1: see that you would have that perspective. But here it is,
Speaker 1: it's in a man made thing, and so now humanity
Speaker 1: is involved. Yes, there was like some responsibility and it
Speaker 1: wasn't my fence. Um, the game warden said, just whatever
Speaker 1: happens happens, let it be. But I wasn't real satisfied.
Speaker 1: And at this point I had a live owl in
Speaker 1: the back of my pickup, so it's also like beyond
Speaker 1: the whatever happens happened, probably getting attached a little bit, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Well, I already had some names picked
Speaker 1: doubt for it. Actually, we'll get to that. So I
Speaker 1: was gonna call it. Uh. I had two names picked out,
Speaker 1: either Peck because of where it was that you can
Speaker 1: figure that part out on your own for Peck Reservoir,
Speaker 1: or Meat either because I'm sure it eats a lot
Speaker 1: of meat. I'd like those two. So I got a
Speaker 1: phone in the game Warden wasn't real satisfied. I called
Speaker 1: the Billing Zoo. The Billing Zoo said, we do not
Speaker 1: do any owl rehabilitation, but you should call the Montana
Speaker 1: Raptor Conservation Society whatever they're called. Is that down the
Speaker 1: Bitter Route. They are in Bozeman, right out of both
Speaker 1: So I called them on a Saturday afternoon. It like noon.
Speaker 1: They answered, and they said, well, um, here are the options.
Speaker 1: You can drive it to us in Bozeman, or we
Speaker 1: have some contact spread out throughout the state where we'll
Speaker 1: do like a little relay race where you will deliver
Speaker 1: it to this person, they will deliver it to us.
Speaker 1: We could do that. So the woman on the phone,
Speaker 1: she also told me this on the on end. She says,
Speaker 1: birds and fences at very low survival rate, uh, and
Speaker 1: an even lower rehabilitation rate. That like this thing is
Speaker 1: going to function well enough to be like they just
Speaker 1: get too banged up. Yes, she saw like a bad situation.
Speaker 1: Not many of them come out of there in a
Speaker 1: good deal. So they found somebody who was a volunteer
Speaker 1: ninety miles away that I could then drive the owl to.
Speaker 1: Then that person would deliver it the rest of the
Speaker 1: way to the Raptor Center. Um. So I agreed to
Speaker 1: do that and basically took myself out of hunting for
Speaker 1: the rest of the day because it was just going
Speaker 1: so far out of the way where I was going
Speaker 1: the opposite direction of where I wanted to go, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to hunt that evening because there's
Speaker 1: just gonna be too much time on the road. So
Speaker 1: I take this owl to the woman who's then going
Speaker 1: to take it to Bozeman and on my way home
Speaker 1: from there. Oh okay, So you say, like here's it
Speaker 1: owl in a box. What's her take on it? Yes, so, my, my, no,
Speaker 1: this this person was just regular citizen. And I handed
Speaker 1: them a box with an owl and a tote, a
Speaker 1: tote that had holes caught in it with my bench
Speaker 1: made e d c so we could breathe. I handed
Speaker 1: them the tote and then they took it the rest
Speaker 1: of the way and they didn't even take a peek.
Speaker 1: So the person the raft center said that they cannot
Speaker 1: handle the owl at all. They're not allowed to. But
Speaker 1: that lady told me that this was the third bird
Speaker 1: in the week that she had taken to them, and
Speaker 1: she had hit the trifecta now in a week because
Speaker 1: she had done an eagle hawk and then this was
Speaker 1: her owl. Man, A lot of birds get messed up
Speaker 1: out there, apparently. I've heard that barbed wire fences are
Speaker 1: one of the biggest detriments to sage grouse populations, and
Speaker 1: and and in that area you'll see a lot of
Speaker 1: fences that have flagging on them just to make it
Speaker 1: more visible so the sage crouse don't fly into it.
Speaker 1: And they put those little metallic reflectors on there to
Speaker 1: blow on the breeze because it's like a certain people
Speaker 1: when you string I don't know whatever height inches I've
Speaker 1: heard that that that's kind of like a cruising height
Speaker 1: for them or huh so no one. So to this point,
Speaker 1: you haven't gotten any any updates or any reason to
Speaker 1: think that the owl is gonna make it, not make it.
Speaker 1: You're saying, like right now or the day that I
Speaker 1: was deliverating right now. I'll get to that at the end.
Speaker 1: I have an update on thet Was he able to
Speaker 1: stand up in the tote? So it was? He? Was
Speaker 1: he laying down like in a little coffin, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was mostly laying down. When I would mess with him,
Speaker 1: he was like conscious. He would look at me. You're
Speaker 1: well harassing in a way of like trimming the barbed
Speaker 1: wire around so it didn't have ten inches a barbwire
Speaker 1: instead of spencer three inches. You're still getting up to
Speaker 1: the Latvian karma thing, right, Yeah? Did you hunt down
Speaker 1: a mouse or a bowl or anything to try to
Speaker 1: feed it? No? No, not enough time. Oh can I
Speaker 1: tell you something real quick though? My kid, we're out
Speaker 1: hunting for the youth season. He found a baby mouse
Speaker 1: and carried around in his bino pouch and it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not kid. We got it a deer later and
Speaker 1: a mouse. Um was licking his hand and stuff like
Speaker 1: he this mouse was like a full on pet mouse.
Speaker 1: And he had your your son told you about this.
Speaker 1: He's like look and they look at his biny pouch
Speaker 1: was there, you know? Anyways, he's carrying his mouse around
Speaker 1: and there all day long. Then him and his sister
Speaker 1: they name it everything. Then they have a change of
Speaker 1: heart and let it go. And then the next day
Speaker 1: just for like catatonic about having let that mouse go
Speaker 1: and wanted to go find another baby mouse. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I haven't wandered around this planet for forty
Speaker 1: six years. That's the first baby mouse I've ever seen
Speaker 1: anyone finds. I don't think you're gonna go out right
Speaker 1: now and get one. I can him in the right direction, though,
Speaker 1: you know, are down and our chicken coop. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a couple running around. They forgot about it. But
Speaker 1: I was going to rig them up a bucket trap
Speaker 1: and just put nesting material in there so instead of
Speaker 1: them drowning and and and a freeze, they'd have like
Speaker 1: a little collection of mice. They could come on, come on,
Speaker 1: Steve's great anyways, I'm oh, this is a great story.
Speaker 1: I love it alright. So I've now relaid the owl
Speaker 1: to the other person. That person is in route to Bozeman.
Speaker 1: I'm in route back to camp, but I'm not going
Speaker 1: to make it back to camp in time that evening
Speaker 1: to hunt. Just not not enough daylight left on my
Speaker 1: way there though, about thirty miles from where I just
Speaker 1: dropped off this owl, I see some deer filtering into
Speaker 1: a field, um, a couple hundred yards off the highways,
Speaker 1: private land. But I had on X and I had
Speaker 1: the maps downloaded, despite there not being any service found
Speaker 1: out where the landowner lived, because I thought, well, this
Speaker 1: is my one chance, like this is my only opportunity
Speaker 1: hunt for the seed. Me wait and knocked on the
Speaker 1: rancher's door and they told me that I could go hunt. Now.
Speaker 1: Mind you, to this point, I had decided this summer
Speaker 1: that was like, I'm gonna try to find a white
Speaker 1: tail property to hunt this year in eastern Montana. And
Speaker 1: I went over fifteen I'm getting permission, no ship, No,
Speaker 1: but just they happened, just not happened. Did you butter
Speaker 1: them up with the owl story? Did not come up.
Speaker 1: I was prepared. I was trying to rescue an owl,
Speaker 1: and he'd probably like, bring me the oles. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: strangle it if he's like an old rancher. Anyways, I
Speaker 1: was trying to rescue an owl and I couldn't help.
Speaker 1: But notice I was prepared to explain how I wound
Speaker 1: up in their you know, driveway, to talk to them,
Speaker 1: but it didn't get to that point. He disagreed on
Speaker 1: the front. He's like, oh, that's no problem, ye. So
Speaker 1: I go back to where I saw the year I
Speaker 1: walk into the past year in an hour later, I
Speaker 1: had killed a buck, a buck that I was really
Speaker 1: stoked on, like that. I would shoot any state, anywhere,
Speaker 1: private or public, grade four by four. So I would
Speaker 1: have never been in that area had it not been
Speaker 1: for rescuing the owl, though, because I was eighty miles
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction from where I wanted to be
Speaker 1: hunting that evening. Did you then go sleep in your
Speaker 1: camp that night? Nope. I went and broke down camp
Speaker 1: and drove home fun. The whole time this happening, I
Speaker 1: was thinking of Yanni and Karma, and I was telling
Speaker 1: that to my wife. Tell that story to Yanni's dead.
Speaker 1: If you really want to get the dope, okay, it
Speaker 1: would just be like, of course, that's how the universe works.
Speaker 1: I don't believe, but I'm closer now, closer. I got
Speaker 1: an update on the owl on Monday. It's dead, so
Speaker 1: that that was a bummer. They said it could not
Speaker 1: be rehabilitated. Both wings were in too bad of shape. Um,
Speaker 1: there'd be too much stitching to be done. They just
Speaker 1: said it wouldn't they They put it down. Yep. You
Speaker 1: know that joke about the guy it goes out of
Speaker 1: town his cat gets on the roof. That reminds me
Speaker 1: of that joke. I wanted a happy ending, real bad
Speaker 1: I was. I was stoked. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: volunteer for them. I'm gonna go feed this thing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go and take pictures of this owl named meat Eater.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there when they release it. You had
Speaker 1: like a little mind movie. I was called the movie
Speaker 1: when I happened, I was all in on it. We
Speaker 1: have three four like real writers in this room. You
Speaker 1: consider yourself a writer too, man, I would not say so.
Speaker 1: Is there a name for a story that has like
Speaker 1: simultaneously like that a good and bad ending. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: Well you could do it. You can do it. Choose
Speaker 1: your own ending, and you'd be like, if the owl dies,
Speaker 1: I'll get the deer. Well, what I gotta seven. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like the ending of a Tarantino movie. Really,
Speaker 1: Like I was telling my wife. I was telling my
Speaker 1: wife about this like karma that I had built up
Speaker 1: and stuffy right, and then I killed this here and
Speaker 1: she's like, well, if karma works, like I don't know
Speaker 1: that they would reward you. That's killing another animal. Like
Speaker 1: that's a great I read your wife brought that up.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. You're saying that, like I
Speaker 1: saved an animal, and so I was rewarded by the
Speaker 1: universe with being able to kill one. Yep. But then
Speaker 1: the one I say died too. And that's just how
Speaker 1: the raw deal Man story. It didn't die in vain.
Speaker 1: I guess it helped me get a buck. If that
Speaker 1: owlhead lived, he'd sue you for like stealing his ship.
Speaker 1: And now I know i'd handle the situation. Next time
Speaker 1: come upon someone this just called the Montana Raptor Center.
Speaker 1: They'll get you hooked up. They are like a very
Speaker 1: energetic are you gonna become a donor. No, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna be a donor. No. But I looked on their
Speaker 1: website for volunteer opportunities. The only volunteer opportunity have right
Speaker 1: now is if you live in Billings, Montana, you can
Speaker 1: be part of this relay race from taking owls from
Speaker 1: there to Bozeman. You know those places often take like
Speaker 1: trim meat and hunters and stuff. You got von Shnard
Speaker 1: had that story he used to bring road killed deer.
Speaker 1: He used to bring road killed deer to a raptor center,
Speaker 1: but he said they'd usually show up minus the backstraps,
Speaker 1: but no one ever brought it up. Um uh, would
Speaker 1: you volunteer there at the expense of being able to
Speaker 1: rock hound? Why couldn't I do both? I'm saying like, so,
Speaker 1: let's say a Saturday comes up like rock hounding in
Speaker 1: one hand, fixing up uh raptors in I felt like
Speaker 1: pretty rewarded throughout the situation, up until I found out
Speaker 1: that it died. So I I enjoyed um that I
Speaker 1: think I would do that again. Yeah, I gotta asked,
Speaker 1: though I've eaten some pretty weird ship with you, did
Speaker 1: it ever cross your mind? Once they said it was dead.
Speaker 1: Did you Did you ask him if you could press
Speaker 1: it out? No, because I imagine their their euthanizing situation
Speaker 1: is just like cocktail. I think that was an ass
Speaker 1: breast on that bird. Man owl is not gonna have.
Speaker 1: My dad always told story. My dad was from the
Speaker 1: era when people just just shot things for no reason.
Speaker 1: He always told a story about sitting in his tree
Speaker 1: stand one day and seen an owl, like an eye
Speaker 1: level with him, way off and shooting, and he said
Speaker 1: his arrow goes He's talking about how like fluffy they are,
Speaker 1: and he says, his arrow goes right through the owl.
Speaker 1: But the owl doesn't even flinch, and he realized that
Speaker 1: it just passed through the feathers of the owl. Now,
Speaker 1: I would say, like, why the movie we're shooting at
Speaker 1: the owl. By the time, you're just like, huh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Those days. He used to belong to this. He used
Speaker 1: to belong to the Chicago Bowman and they had a
Speaker 1: little patch with every like everything that was on Noah's
Speaker 1: Ark they had a patch for. And all you had
Speaker 1: to do is going to be like I shot a
Speaker 1: toad with my bow and you get the toad patch.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, And he had like a sash. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he had like a sash with dozens of patches of
Speaker 1: just everything on the planet. Because this is back when
Speaker 1: people are super excited about bows, like the Fred Bear era.
Speaker 1: Who's that dude? He went to Africa to prove you
Speaker 1: could kill an elephant with a bow and shot like
Speaker 1: ninety times Howard or something like that. It was like
Speaker 1: everybody was geeked up on bows. It's like people hadn't
Speaker 1: hunted with bows and they were getting back into hunt
Speaker 1: with bows, and so everybody's just trying to show like
Speaker 1: how great bows were so you could get bow seasons
Speaker 1: and ship like that. He like worked really hard to
Speaker 1: get states to get bow seasons and then later in
Speaker 1: his life fought against states having crossbow seasons. Uh okay,
Speaker 1: one more little report. Hold on the the interaction I
Speaker 1: was dreading most throughout this whole thing. Was then talking
Speaker 1: to the rancher about me cutting his fence, which was
Speaker 1: not ideal for him certainly, But I found his phone number,
Speaker 1: called him told in the situation, and he was very understanding.
Speaker 1: He was really pleasant. I offered to go back and
Speaker 1: fix it for him, and he's like, no, just tell
Speaker 1: me where it's at I'll deal with it. So on
Speaker 1: that front, And so was he like, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have done the same thing, or was he kind of
Speaker 1: like you did what it was? It was pretty brief.
Speaker 1: That didn't come up when you cut the wire? Did it?
Speaker 1: Call twing and like undo six posts? It would have
Speaker 1: been an easy fix for somebody. You called him up,
Speaker 1: called him up. Well, I felt bad. No, I you
Speaker 1: did the right thing. I was actually wondering about that
Speaker 1: the whole time. But I was trying to only interrupt you,
Speaker 1: like thirty times. Did you when you called to tell
Speaker 1: him about his fence, did you try to sneak in
Speaker 1: him permission? Ask? Well, I was cutting your fence. I
Speaker 1: couldn't help, but a beautiful property deer was dead by
Speaker 1: that point, so I didn't I didn't need any more permissions. Well,
Speaker 1: I got you, that's right. I didn't want I didn't
Speaker 1: want to push karma too much there? Okay, Yanni, Um,
Speaker 1: we gotta cut in Taylor McCall's intro. Okay, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: say is gonna help Johnny sam longn is gonna help
Speaker 1: Yanni with his book? Report? Brody Henderson's here too. He
Speaker 1: hasn't really said ship I'm just waiting for my moment. Okay, UM,
Speaker 1: go ahead, UM, I'm here today to talk about how Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have a proper intro. Strong did you were?
Speaker 1: You were probably flying high off the owl story, right
Speaker 1: I was? I mean until it got killed, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then and then like when Yanni kicked in there,
Speaker 1: did you feel like just a real like just the
Speaker 1: energy drained out of the room. Didn't I'll just die
Speaker 1: it again? When he started, I remember that it got ethanized.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go from predatory birds to pray birds. Talking
Speaker 1: talking about ducks, the US Fish and Wildlife Service announced
Speaker 1: I think over the summertime that for were their contest
Speaker 1: that UH takes in artwork entries that are then used
Speaker 1: for the Federal duck stamp has a new rule. Okay,
Speaker 1: now to tell you all about Federal duck stamp, exactly
Speaker 1: what it is and how that works. Here's Sam Longan.
Speaker 1: That's great. That's and I promise I will pick it
Speaker 1: up because I was very eloquent, just like getting in
Speaker 1: there and out of there. Well, thanks Johnny. Glad to
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to about one of my favorite Well,
Speaker 1: I think many of our listeners are probably abundantly familiar
Speaker 1: with the federal duck stamp program. Every American who wants
Speaker 1: to hunt waterfowl has to buy one every year. It's
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. The program was established in nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 1: And you can read a piece I wrote about out
Speaker 1: Ding Darling jay Norwouold Darling, who was a political cartoonist, satis.
Speaker 1: How do you say that we're satirist satirists? It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound right though, does either way? He tired things, Yeah
Speaker 1: he did, he did, um but yeah it was it
Speaker 1: was a cartoonist for most of his career, but he UM.
Speaker 1: He became so prominent that UM Franklin Delano Roosevelt hired
Speaker 1: him to start the US Fish and Wildlife Servi Service.
Speaker 1: It was called something different back then. UM. But Congress
Speaker 1: passed the Federal duck Stamp Act in nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 1: and he was responsible for implementing that, and he drew
Speaker 1: the first one. It used to be a dollar, UM,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was meant to generate funding for
Speaker 1: UM wetlands concerts. Started out as a dollar one dollar, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was how much money total? Now it's
Speaker 1: over a billion dollars and a billion dollars. You see
Speaker 1: different numbers in different places. I've seen eight hundred million
Speaker 1: in some places, but the US Fish and Wildlife Service
Speaker 1: says one billion and and that they've conserved over six
Speaker 1: six million acres of um of wetlands since nineteen. Yeah. Absolutely, man,
Speaker 1: it's so it's it's it's enormously popular and successful program. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's become really popular for collection. And I actually
Speaker 1: just spoke to the uh well the email to the
Speaker 1: chief of the Federal Duck Stamp Office this morning. Um.
Speaker 1: And is that his dedicated job or he just kind
Speaker 1: of kicks in for a week or two every year
Speaker 1: her dedicated job? But I believe it's year round. Um.
Speaker 1: And I've worked worked with her before to get permissions
Speaker 1: for US to use uh images of duck stamps because
Speaker 1: our media. But she said that they sell one point
Speaker 1: five million stamps every year, and what are they get now?
Speaker 1: There were dollars now they had been like fifteen for
Speaker 1: an attorney fifteen until and everybody had a ship fit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it went up from fifteen to twenty five. But
Speaker 1: then people had to point out, we haven't raised it
Speaker 1: for a long time, decades decades. But we're also scheduled
Speaker 1: for another ten dollar increase sometime and then your future
Speaker 1: I believe, and anyone that wants to hunt ducks has
Speaker 1: to buy that and then for a weird reason, I guess,
Speaker 1: maybe not weird, because no, they don't want you trade
Speaker 1: in it between your friends. You gotta write your name
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, put it on your license and write
Speaker 1: your name across it. So it's like not transfer. I
Speaker 1: never really put that together. Yeah, it's like you can't
Speaker 1: be like, oh, just take my ducks damp. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: she she said that there's about one one million waterfowl
Speaker 1: hunters approximately every year who buy a waterfowl um waterfowl
Speaker 1: licenses and hunt waterfowl. But um. She also knows that
Speaker 1: a large proportion of hunters by two every year one
Speaker 1: to put on their license in one for a collectible,
Speaker 1: which my my dad's done for my entire life. He's
Speaker 1: always bought a couple. He likes the program. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: likes the program. Um. They have a series of like
Speaker 1: prints from back in I think the eighties with you know,
Speaker 1: like the actual print of the painting plus the ducks tall.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my friend Mark has a lot of those
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of those. He was like a
Speaker 1: big painting and then in the corner is actual stamp. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my father in law has a wall literally of that.
Speaker 1: He was like a chapter chairman or president for a
Speaker 1: lot of years of a d u um uh chapter
Speaker 1: and uh yeah. I mean there's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen in each frame, and there's just a
Speaker 1: whole wall of him. You know, he's been did it
Speaker 1: for forty years or so. Have you ever asked, did
Speaker 1: you when you're on the phone with what's the woman's
Speaker 1: name who runs that program? Fellows, have you ever asked
Speaker 1: her why they won't do like a cubist duck or
Speaker 1: an impressionistic I've wanted to, but I have like a
Speaker 1: modern duck. This conversation, I'm gonna ask you that it's
Speaker 1: a certain style. It's like very photographic, and who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe there's never even been a submission, well not in
Speaker 1: the style. Context of the previous of that article I
Speaker 1: wrote was about our friend Ed Anderson, who who has
Speaker 1: done some paintings and some collaborations with us before, and
Speaker 1: his his style is very like kind of comic book,
Speaker 1: like we did that shirt with him. The Tarpin that
Speaker 1: would they ever put one of his ducks on a stamp,
Speaker 1: So he's considered he's considered trying to submit something under
Speaker 1: his under his style, and I don't know, but we
Speaker 1: did talk about that because he was doing an art
Speaker 1: The reason I did that article as he was doing
Speaker 1: an artist in residency at the Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of comparing him to to Ding
Speaker 1: Darling because ding was a, you know, a cartoonist first
Speaker 1: and kind of a fine artist second. Um, So I
Speaker 1: think that would be really cool, um and shake it
Speaker 1: up a little bit, but I think it would probably
Speaker 1: ruffle some feathers. If you do what Susan, that's your name, yep,
Speaker 1: follows Susan, I would go down and I would have
Speaker 1: the crazy ass is looking abstract duct just see what
Speaker 1: happens some Picasso ship. Who knows, maybe it comes out
Speaker 1: so a cool that you sell an extra half a
Speaker 1: million next year. So let's get into you ready to
Speaker 1: get into the your So now you throw back to Yanni,
Speaker 1: go back to you. N Well yeah, well here let
Speaker 1: me set them up real quick, because because they sell
Speaker 1: one point five million a year, they think about one
Speaker 1: million goes to hunters, but they think a lot of
Speaker 1: hunters buy a lot more or well more more than
Speaker 1: one um. But you know, other people by other people
Speaker 1: do buy duck stamps, but it's certainly a smaller proportion.
Speaker 1: But at least two thirds of the sons of bitches
Speaker 1: are sold, at least two thirds. But you can't get
Speaker 1: free access to National Wildlife refugees if if you have
Speaker 1: a duck stamp, So there there is some incentive for
Speaker 1: bird watchers to do it, but that small percentage of
Speaker 1: people who buy duck stamps who are not hunters are
Speaker 1: now upset about a change of the rules. Back to you, Joanni,
Speaker 1: Back to you, Yanni, Thanks Sam. That was great for me.
Speaker 1: This is titilating because this is a lot of ship
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know about the refuge access. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and I wouldn't have told you because I
Speaker 1: don't know what told you, alright, So up until now
Speaker 1: I think that they basically we want just like, submit
Speaker 1: us pictures of ducks, right, we're for the duck stamp. Well.
Speaker 1: In May this year, the agency announced a new rule.
Speaker 1: The artwork submitted to the contest must include hunting imagery
Speaker 1: and so I don't think it's like all the whole
Speaker 1: thirty of those people that are non hunters that are
Speaker 1: now mad, but one probably ten of them. And uh,
Speaker 1: their group is called at least ten Friends of Animals,
Speaker 1: a dairy and based I don't even I don't know
Speaker 1: where this town darre in Connecticut. It's like, dude, if
Speaker 1: there's a place where a place called Friends of Animals
Speaker 1: is gonna be based and they're well funded, that's the place.
Speaker 1: That place I've never been people with enough money to
Speaker 1: get all that going as dairy in Connecticut. There you go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're saying that it's um, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just going to alienate this third and so we're
Speaker 1: gonna actually lose a bunch of duck stamp sales, and
Speaker 1: it's it's going like against you know, what this whole
Speaker 1: thing is for. And so basically we're gonna lose money
Speaker 1: for a critical habitat, lose money for the ducks themselves
Speaker 1: because those people aren't buying one. Yeah, and he the leader,
Speaker 1: the president, Scilla Ferrell is her last name. She says,
Speaker 1: it's almost comical the desperate links the din dwindling hunting
Speaker 1: industry is willing to go to make its clients feel relevant. Huh,
Speaker 1: I see both sides. Why did they make a rule
Speaker 1: that it has Like like, I'm happy they did, you know,
Speaker 1: Like first, if I'm out the park a lot or whatever,
Speaker 1: the guy comes up and goes there, he's a thousand bucks, right,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm happy he gave me the thousand bucks.
Speaker 1: But I just don't get why he gave me the
Speaker 1: thousand bucks. Yeah, I don't see. I don't see any
Speaker 1: hunters saying we want we want to be featured in
Speaker 1: this state just to stick it to like why just
Speaker 1: to be rabble rousers. Well, no, I think there's because
Speaker 1: they want to say, hey, lest we forget the two
Speaker 1: thirds of this billion dollars over the last six seventy years, no,
Speaker 1: ninety years, lest we forget that it's two thirds of
Speaker 1: it has come from hunters. Let's make sure and so
Speaker 1: I believe it this year's winner. There is a floating
Speaker 1: duck call in the foregrounds cost or something. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you drop center. I don't think it's Sam's
Speaker 1: gonna protest, and not by because he doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't even have a Lanyard's it's what
Speaker 1: it is, a little bit wedged in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all about this. I appreciate what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do, but it's just I feel like artistically it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit forced you to prefer just
Speaker 1: like a flat out dead duck. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: a blind in the background or somebody somebody out in
Speaker 1: the ky back with a string of a sea duck
Speaker 1: decoys or something like that. Now, it's always been those
Speaker 1: beautiful like wings cupped, soaring coming in right at sunset,
Speaker 1: probably after the legal shooting light right so you can't
Speaker 1: shoot him anyways, But you could just change that from that,
Speaker 1: just that beautiful wing stretched outlook to that one where
Speaker 1: like it's just when he gets hit and he kind
Speaker 1: of sometimes his wings, his head falls to the side
Speaker 1: and he sort of has that like gravity is taking
Speaker 1: over moment. They probably considered that one call and it's
Speaker 1: kind of floating in the water. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of details about this. The one that right here, oh
Speaker 1: hold on a minute, is that it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a decoy or a real duck. Supposed to be a
Speaker 1: real duck. Sam the Landard got hung up on those cantails.
Speaker 1: Oh dang it, I was thinking or anything. It seems
Speaker 1: like I do, I I do like it. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just saying and like I'm a traditionalist incorporated hunting
Speaker 1: into a picture better. Yeah, but yeah, it's like his
Speaker 1: lanyards kind of tangled up in some cat tails. Maybe
Speaker 1: from Armistice Day. M Oh yeah, it's like the day
Speaker 1: the duck hunters died. It is. Yes, Spencer just wrote
Speaker 1: an awesome article about that. What do you think about
Speaker 1: all that? Is that that is what they're mad about.
Speaker 1: They saw that and then got mad. Yeah government, No, No,
Speaker 1: they're getting mad about the rule that all submissions now
Speaker 1: have to include hunting in the imagery. I will I
Speaker 1: just want to just that or every year. No, as
Speaker 1: far as I understand it, just from the little research
Speaker 1: that I did, it's going forward. I've got to imagine
Speaker 1: that that will change back though, because these folks from Darien. No,
Speaker 1: because the leadership of the Department of the Interior is
Speaker 1: about to change, gonna get a lot less hunting friendly,
Speaker 1: potentially potential tv D that means to be determined. I
Speaker 1: was gonna talk about the drug ketamine. Do you ever
Speaker 1: go into a khole. Yp oh, I have not. I
Speaker 1: was gonna talking about the drug because you no, but
Speaker 1: they use it on wildlife. And a guy wrote in
Speaker 1: a pretty good explanation of like how ketamine is used
Speaker 1: and wildlife research and how a kademine is used recreationally
Speaker 1: and how ketamine is used as a medical drug, and
Speaker 1: he sent this chart about the more you take, how
Speaker 1: you move from an analgesia? Am I saying that right? An?
Speaker 1: I like how it goes from being an anal Jesus.
Speaker 1: And I've never ever liked that word. No, it's not
Speaker 1: a good word. I've never liked that word. It goes
Speaker 1: from a pain reliever it. Yeah, but those things, dude,
Speaker 1: you can't trust. Those things can't trump. No, It's like
Speaker 1: an automated robot. It's like ask oh, I got a
Speaker 1: great Yanni story for you. So you know, everybody thinks Joannice,
Speaker 1: his name is Janice. This is hilarious. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: got this big ship when the shrimp tails from our
Speaker 1: buddy Greg. Oh, I haven't even heard this one. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so but Greg's like, does somehow Jannice this big ship
Speaker 1: and the shrimp tails is showing up at the airport
Speaker 1: free and the honest is supposed to go down and
Speaker 1: pick up his frolls and shrimp tails, but he's out
Speaker 1: of town. So I'm like, ship, I rag get the
Speaker 1: shrimp tails, but I can't. I can't member why I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I had some reason I couldn't get the shrimp tails.
Speaker 1: So Kylie, I'm like, Kylie, can you go pick up
Speaker 1: yannie shrimp tails? He's out of town. So Kylie goes
Speaker 1: down there and walks in to get the shrimp tails.
Speaker 1: Guts firsting out of the woman's mouth. You must be this,
Speaker 1: she smiled, nodded, and took the box on much much
Speaker 1: smaller spot prawns than we're used to catching any dark
Speaker 1: colored like. They weren't cleaned properly. Did you notice that
Speaker 1: when you thaw them? Have you eaten any yet? They
Speaker 1: have iodine color to them. That's I don't see on
Speaker 1: the big dogs. You don't think that's because they're very eggy.
Speaker 1: I feel like that year that we caught all the
Speaker 1: egg laden ones, they were more like this. These tails
Speaker 1: didn't have any eggs on them. Oh no, like more
Speaker 1: than the ones I had as Yeah, I've only eaten
Speaker 1: one bag of years. We ate two bags. They're not mine.
Speaker 1: They sent him to both of us. I handed a
Speaker 1: couple out to some co workers too. Uh yeah, as
Speaker 1: you up this ketamine dose, you go into a dissociate,
Speaker 1: dissociated state. But I'm not gonna cover that because we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into something else. Uh Okay, this is why
Speaker 1: people I want you to know. As you're sitting in here. Um,
Speaker 1: so far, it's been pretty typical covered the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff we normally cover. Here, You're gonna see a wild
Speaker 1: deviation in what way we're gonna talk about the thing
Speaker 1: we wouldn't normally talk about. We've only done this once before.
Speaker 1: We've done a book dedicated podcast before twice. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you and I you know, have actually maybe done this
Speaker 1: might be our fourth. Because I believe we don't did
Speaker 1: one each for the guide books, and we definitely did
Speaker 1: one for the cookbook. I don't think if we had,
Speaker 1: I don't think we did. Back you and I. I
Speaker 1: think I flew to Seattle and it was in your
Speaker 1: first house in Seattle, and we were in some crazy
Speaker 1: little high up office, like you had some office on
Speaker 1: the third floor of this old house and we were
Speaker 1: tucked in there. It had like a slanted ceiling and
Speaker 1: we're tucked in there, and yeah, we probably barely knew
Speaker 1: each other, but we went through the first guide book
Speaker 1: True story, all right, So it's a little more typical
Speaker 1: than that thought. A little more typical I thought. So
Speaker 1: never mind all that. So a very typical episode for
Speaker 1: us here where we talk about a new book release
Speaker 1: that we have out. I want to I want to
Speaker 1: start out with a quick story. The last time we
Speaker 1: did this, we did we had an episode a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago which was called Begging and Pleading. This
Speaker 1: might we might call this episode Begging and Pleading re
Speaker 1: Dux Part two, UM one or the other. Begging and
Speaker 1: Pleading was an episode dedicated to our cookbook that we did.
Speaker 1: That was what you guys, you you listeners out there
Speaker 1: came out in such full fledged support of us after
Speaker 1: begging and pleading that all of the cookbooks that existed
Speaker 1: sold before the book was released. Now here's an interesting story.
Speaker 1: It has been Honestna, honest, gonna come out and Titus,
Speaker 1: you can dislike me or whatever, but I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you like I want to have like like I would
Speaker 1: like to have a book that was on the new
Speaker 1: York Times best Seller List. Real, real, bad, total vanity bullshit.
Speaker 1: But that's just my dream and hope you guys bought
Speaker 1: so many copies of the cookbook. After begging and pleading
Speaker 1: that all the cookbooks that were in existence were sold
Speaker 1: before publication date, you all went and bought them on
Speaker 1: Amazon dot Com because Amazon had made a sizeable order. Now,
Speaker 1: I know, as a point, like the New York Times
Speaker 1: best seller List looks at how many books were sold
Speaker 1: into in a certain week. However, all of your pre
Speaker 1: orders count during your first week, so you might have
Speaker 1: a book be for sale for three months before it's
Speaker 1: released date. The release date on our new book, which
Speaker 1: is called The Mediator Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival,
Speaker 1: has a December one release date. You could already go
Speaker 1: order it right now. On December one, all the pre
Speaker 1: orders hit, and then you have the seven days after,
Speaker 1: and that all counts for your New York Times bestseller list. Thing.
Speaker 1: What happened with the cookbook is all the copies in
Speaker 1: existence all sold through Amazon, and Amazon is historically been
Speaker 1: in like a piston match with the New York Times,
Speaker 1: where the New York Times won't accept Amazon's sales figures independently.
Speaker 1: They need to see it verify because they don't want
Speaker 1: someone like a single company being able to bullshit them
Speaker 1: or have their numbers wrong and report a number and
Speaker 1: then that goes down the list and they can't independently
Speaker 1: verify it through some formula where you look at how
Speaker 1: it's sold in other markets. Because all of our books
Speaker 1: sold and they had to wait for a reprint, no
Speaker 1: books sold in other markets. I know as a point
Speaker 1: of fact, because my publisher had the umber six book
Speaker 1: on the New York Times in our category are same
Speaker 1: publisher had the number six book that week, and they
Speaker 1: told us that we sold thousands more copies than the
Speaker 1: number six book on the New York Times bestseller list,
Speaker 1: but they didn't count us because it all sold to Amazon.
Speaker 1: That's in bullshit. It's just how it is. I have
Speaker 1: been mad about it ten times already. So have they
Speaker 1: resolved it though? As Amazon like counted now or no,
Speaker 1: they won't count it. They can't. What they're trying to
Speaker 1: prevent two is someone buying their own book onto the
Speaker 1: best seller list, which people have actually successfully done, like
Speaker 1: certain categories. I don't want to spend too much time
Speaker 1: on this ship there are certain categories of books where
Speaker 1: like a like a surprisingly low number, we'll land you
Speaker 1: on the list. There have been people that are just
Speaker 1: you know, well funded individuals who could go on and
Speaker 1: do these big bulk orders or have like a bunch
Speaker 1: of their friends do a maximum you can you can
Speaker 1: game the system. So they have this way to try
Speaker 1: to build in where that kind of thing isn't happening,
Speaker 1: and so they want to see, um, they want to
Speaker 1: see that the book is doing well in a variety
Speaker 1: of marketplaces, to the point where this is like kind
Speaker 1: of some weird dirtiness about the list, to the point
Speaker 1: where there are certain independent bookstores, say where on the
Speaker 1: New York Times list will value their sales two x.
Speaker 1: It's some weird ask. It is not like what books
Speaker 1: sold the most. It's like an account for the way
Speaker 1: book buying has changed. Either That's what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you imagine you got place like that. You know that,
Speaker 1: like there's like a hostility towards the big man, big
Speaker 1: man being Amazon. So all that is meant to say,
Speaker 1: as we sell you on this book over the next
Speaker 1: little bit here, We're gonna spend thirty minutes selling you
Speaker 1: on this book. As we sell you on this book,
Speaker 1: I don't really don't. I don't care where you buy
Speaker 1: the damn thing. I want you to have the most
Speaker 1: frictional lists interaction possible. But if a little party you,
Speaker 1: a little tac party you says you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call up Billy's Books down on Main Street and
Speaker 1: order my copy through Billy, I won't be upset. Neither
Speaker 1: will Billy. Oh always good to support small businesses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to call that old Bill if you're on
Speaker 1: a first name name bail. Like I said, I want,
Speaker 1: I think people should have a frictionless buying experience. There
Speaker 1: is indisputably a lack of friction and that's in an
Speaker 1: Amazon sale. And by god, if that's that's how you
Speaker 1: want to buy the book, buy the book that way.
Speaker 1: The main things you buy the damn book just as
Speaker 1: a favorite to me. Secondarily, if you can make some
Speaker 1: purchases through you know, buy that one, then go buy
Speaker 1: some more through other places, just in order to um.
Speaker 1: It's just simply this. It's simply just to make me
Speaker 1: have the happiest day of my damn life outside of
Speaker 1: my kids being born, um, by having one of our
Speaker 1: books go on that damn list. Think about nice hunting
Speaker 1: friendly company represented on that list. What that category do
Speaker 1: we fall under? Remember the name? I should know that
Speaker 1: you mean the book category. I don't know which nonfiction category.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd be on general on Amazon
Speaker 1: to Yeah, it falls under a couple of different games. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we made every other like our cook book made every
Speaker 1: other best seller list on the freaking planet, but not
Speaker 1: the one that anyone pays attention. Not a science I
Speaker 1: don't want to dis other best sellers, just like a
Speaker 1: certain cash, a undeniable cash, A that's the one that
Speaker 1: everybody cares about. Oh my god, I could just taste it. Well,
Speaker 1: probably we might make a T shirt that's a big
Speaker 1: red stamp on it, says New York Times bestseller. That's
Speaker 1: a great idea, just one right now, wearing our new
Speaker 1: our newest T shirt with a big old fashioned double
Speaker 1: long spring on it. Trapping shirt. Were you inspired to
Speaker 1: make that shirt after our visit down to uh, Jean
Speaker 1: the antler Man kind of Jim Jim? I think it
Speaker 1: was Jim Phillips. Oh, sorry, go ahead, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll just trying to help you on with the name
Speaker 1: thank you. Uh, okay, a little bit about the book.
Speaker 1: We're gon we're gonna try it. We're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: try to do this in a painless fashion for y'all.
Speaker 1: But it would be after working on the book for years,
Speaker 1: um and a lot of people in the room. What
Speaker 1: it got. A lot of the pride, the primary uh
Speaker 1: folks were in the room, excluding why pe you didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't do shipped for the book. I didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: like nothing, didn't even contribute like a nothing. But maybe
Speaker 1: he will with a blurb here later. It's too late
Speaker 1: for the book. So oh, you'll notice in the dedication.
Speaker 1: I don't want to point out the type. On the dedication,
Speaker 1: someone changed dirt Myth's name to Dirty Myth, which I'll
Speaker 1: never you can't change. It has got to stay that
Speaker 1: way forever. That it's the only mistake I've found. So
Speaker 1: the book is called again. The book is called The
Speaker 1: Meater Guide the Wilderness Skills and Survival. It is how
Speaker 1: many pages long? For counting, the index is four five
Speaker 1: pages long. Let me tell about why this book exists.
Speaker 1: I feel as though the you'll notice that, like in
Speaker 1: the name, wilderness skills precedes survival, right so like the
Speaker 1: me Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival, I feel
Speaker 1: as though the survival the survival genre has been kind
Speaker 1: of tainted in recent decades, maybe by sort of like
Speaker 1: fantastic estical television portrayals of survival situations that create this
Speaker 1: idea that nature, that wilderness are these like horribly dangerous places. Um,
Speaker 1: you best get out of there in a hurry before
Speaker 1: something bad happens to you. Uh, and you know, just
Speaker 1: always you're able to drink your peat um and everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. I view this book as being a,
Speaker 1: you know, an antidote to that and resetting Wilderness Skills
Speaker 1: and Survival to a position where it is very well thought, moderate,
Speaker 1: highly skilled information sets that are passed along to you
Speaker 1: in order that you will feel more functional, capable, comfortable
Speaker 1: in the outdoors, whether you're a professional who works in
Speaker 1: the outdoors, whether you're someone who's taking their kids out camping,
Speaker 1: whether you're just getting into hiking and you're gonna go
Speaker 1: visit a string of national parks, whatever, that you will
Speaker 1: go into the woods with competency and you will understand
Speaker 1: the equipment and skill sets and mindsets involved in all
Speaker 1: forms of wilderness travel from like basic recreational too advanced stuff.
Speaker 1: It is not a book that's like meant to be
Speaker 1: full of crazy cockamami bullshit. In fact, the original title,
Speaker 1: working title, yeah, was the No Bullshit Guide the Wilderness
Speaker 1: Skills and Survival. Uh. That's the book. And we worked
Speaker 1: on it. Um. The folks in this room, Brody Sam
Speaker 1: Spencer did work on it. Y'all need to work on
Speaker 1: a bunch of other people to work on it. We
Speaker 1: collaborated with emergency room doctors of her guides, all kinds
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, mountaineers, consulted with and put together
Speaker 1: a collection of um information that I am very proud
Speaker 1: of to see bound together in a book. And what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do here is kind of walk through what
Speaker 1: you'll find in here in order to give people a
Speaker 1: better sense of what's going on. So I'll start up
Speaker 1: by talking about the introduction real quick, which is called
Speaker 1: The Surprising Dangers of Some Moors. And one of the
Speaker 1: things begin in this book and try to like a
Speaker 1: theme throughout, is that a big part of wilderness travel
Speaker 1: and wilderness skill and even even like a survival mentality
Speaker 1: is being realistic about risk and threats. I think that
Speaker 1: it's easy to have. It's easy to get um preoccupied
Speaker 1: with the idea that you're gonna get mauled up by
Speaker 1: a mountain lion in um and you lose sight of
Speaker 1: what actually happens to people. And one of the things
Speaker 1: we found our research that was really surprising is that
Speaker 1: depending on who you go to, so like groups that
Speaker 1: keep track, like wilderness groups that that field people out
Speaker 1: in the wilderness, and they keep track of what things
Speaker 1: like over the course of decades, what things are leading
Speaker 1: causes of wilderness evacuations, simple strains and sprains and cooking accidents,
Speaker 1: like when you go out in the woods, you have
Speaker 1: a far greater chance of just burning the ship out
Speaker 1: of your hand on a camp stove. Did you hear
Speaker 1: Garrett Smith's story? Not the one we poked his eye
Speaker 1: out with a pine needle. Not that one. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: one required some skills that could be found in this book,
Speaker 1: But no, exactly that like a five six day trip.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what river in Montana. Garrett's a big kayaker,
Speaker 1: and uh, he's got a full pot full. What's that
Speaker 1: new stove we like so much now? The MSR reactor
Speaker 1: boiling hot water and he goes to grab it and
Speaker 1: it kind of slips and half that water goes on
Speaker 1: to the top of his hand. And he just said
Speaker 1: for two months it was just blistered and puffy, and
Speaker 1: they were only like it was like their first or
Speaker 1: second night in so he had had like three days
Speaker 1: ahead of him out in the sun gripping a kayak
Speaker 1: paddle and having to paddle with that wound. I saw
Speaker 1: a bad one of the yeah, one of the worst
Speaker 1: back country injuries. I saw. It was someone where he
Speaker 1: had an alcohol stove and it's super bright out in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day and it's hard to see
Speaker 1: that flame. The flame is blue at NiFe and the daytime,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to see the flame. They thought the
Speaker 1: soap had run out because he couldn't see the flame
Speaker 1: and went to free poor alcohol into the stove and
Speaker 1: that huge, nasty blissed a hand burn also on a
Speaker 1: river trip and there's just nowhere getting I mean, you're
Speaker 1: just there. I mean you could have like really really
Speaker 1: pulled the cord on the whole thing. So no, because
Speaker 1: that back then we didn't have like sad phones and
Speaker 1: in reach devices, which we cover heavily in this book. Uh,
Speaker 1: surprising Dangerous Moores. Then we get into the next thing.
Speaker 1: We get into and Yani's gonna do a second book report,
Speaker 1: your your book reporting on this one. Yeah book report. Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys gonna breakdown what to pack and wear, like
Speaker 1: how this chapter works. And the introduction Steve that you
Speaker 1: just mentioned doesn't count towards the page count, so you
Speaker 1: actually get like those six pages for free you buy.
Speaker 1: Do they do that? Can I tell you one quickly?
Speaker 1: Tell me why an introduction isn't countered doesn't start on
Speaker 1: page one? I don't really know. That's odd. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a little book thing. I do know. There's a
Speaker 1: title page, like a lot of books have a title page,
Speaker 1: Like if you go to this book, you hit a
Speaker 1: page or says the me Eater guy to Wilderness Skills
Speaker 1: and survival. But it's just that. And then you go
Speaker 1: to the next page and it has the author and publisher.
Speaker 1: They called this page the bastard page. And if you have,
Speaker 1: like an antique book that's been signed by the author,
Speaker 1: it's preferable that has been signed by the author not
Speaker 1: on the bastard page, but on the page that shows
Speaker 1: it's it's lineage, meaning the publisher. There's the thing I
Speaker 1: want to mention about the introduction. The introduction I tell
Speaker 1: I kind of kick off the book by talking about Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeahni was here. We're up in the Yukon
Speaker 1: Charlie's Rivers Preserve one time and we flew over the
Speaker 1: wreckage of a plane that went down during World War
Speaker 1: Two and it was one of the guys on the
Speaker 1: plane was this dude, Leon Crane. Everybody died in it
Speaker 1: was an experimental flight in the forties. Everybody died in
Speaker 1: the plane except Leon Crane. And it talks about what
Speaker 1: Leon Crane did. He was it took him months, nineties
Speaker 1: some days. He was stranded in the middle of the
Speaker 1: winter east of Fairbanks negative twenty and what he did
Speaker 1: for those ninety days and the kind of things that
Speaker 1: uh he tried in the calculations that he made. And
Speaker 1: I get into like why did that dude? Like what
Speaker 1: was it about that guy that knew? Like he just
Speaker 1: didn't make any mistakes And you remember flying over that wreckage.
Speaker 1: So I talked about I kick off. I talked about
Speaker 1: my brother Danny, who lives in Alaska and works out
Speaker 1: a single engine aircraft. He he's he believes in like
Speaker 1: getting up and getting down, like you don't fly around
Speaker 1: extra ship. But what's kind of ironic is I remember
Speaker 1: we kind of flew out of our way a little
Speaker 1: bit to go look at that wreckage, which violates the
Speaker 1: get up, get down principle. But I started by talking
Speaker 1: about that guy and then some other ship. But then
Speaker 1: uh Ni lay out what people will find and what
Speaker 1: to pack and were I will. But first I'd like
Speaker 1: to point out that I had a before this book
Speaker 1: I think was even really had its inception. There was
Speaker 1: like a time when we had maybe three or four,
Speaker 1: maybe half a dozen ideas of like what's the next
Speaker 1: book project going to be that we're gonna work on.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on a plane and chatting with a
Speaker 1: lady and she's asked me about what I did. I
Speaker 1: was telling her about whatever adventure we were going to
Speaker 1: be on or we had just finished, and she said,
Speaker 1: you know, that's really a night like way, like not
Speaker 1: even kind of I think something I would do. She's like,
Speaker 1: I need like help just kind of just like going
Speaker 1: to like the nearest lake, whether there might be like
Speaker 1: a half a mile or a mile hike to it,
Speaker 1: and maybe a little hike around the lake and then
Speaker 1: getting back to my car in a matter of like
Speaker 1: a couple of hours. She's like that intimidates me, and
Speaker 1: I think we had a conversation soon after about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's important we make projects like this that
Speaker 1: we really because the vast majority of people out there
Speaker 1: don't have our skill set, maybe not even half of it,
Speaker 1: might be more like a small percentage of our skill set,
Speaker 1: and they are looking for just the basics to know that, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable and confident to go to that lake. It's
Speaker 1: a mile away, it's a big trail going to it,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't like you And I just don't think
Speaker 1: that would be intimidating scary to just like be that
Speaker 1: far away from your car for a matter of hours
Speaker 1: and then come back. We're used to weeks at a time.
Speaker 1: But I think that this book speaks to that person.
Speaker 1: So you don't have to be Joe Hunter, Joe mountaineer.
Speaker 1: I'm looking into getting into back country skiing to get
Speaker 1: valuable information here. It can you can totally be a
Speaker 1: city dweller or the person you're buying it for. It
Speaker 1: can be a city dweller that's looking to get out
Speaker 1: for the weekend for like a day hike and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I read this. There's a lot of stuff. It's like
Speaker 1: beyond me, but there's like I know exactly what's in
Speaker 1: my pack, and if I happen to have some stupid
Speaker 1: accident out there at the lake, I'm covered. Right. That
Speaker 1: was great. I feel like Yanni's trying to get a
Speaker 1: job at the QVC channel. Man was a phenomenal salesmanship.
Speaker 1: I had to make up after my poor book show
Speaker 1: and just started out, started out, I caught you by surprise.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he really saved it. And now he's got
Speaker 1: to back up. At the top of the chapter one
Speaker 1: is what to pack and where? And um, you start
Speaker 1: off with the story of you and your brother is
Speaker 1: going dollar sheep hunting and sort of trying to weigh,
Speaker 1: you know, what's too much and what's too little, and
Speaker 1: trying to find that compromise where when you're in the middle,
Speaker 1: you're like, you're getting the experience of being out in
Speaker 1: the wild, but you're also safe, right, so you don't
Speaker 1: want to go out there and just have so much
Speaker 1: stuff and be burdened by everything that you're carrying around.
Speaker 1: And then you really have your experience. Isn't that much
Speaker 1: different than if you were to have lunch at home
Speaker 1: in your backyard, right, But having enough that again rainshower
Speaker 1: comes along, you don't get soaked and get cold and
Speaker 1: have a miserable time. Yeah, versus being like so minimalist
Speaker 1: that you're vulnerable, Like you're so minimalist that you're great
Speaker 1: as long as things go real well and the weather
Speaker 1: stays a certain way and and one thing to the next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so bait and and what's cool is that you have
Speaker 1: a just like we did in the guide books. We
Speaker 1: had a lot of outside experts way in. And I
Speaker 1: believe that in this chapter, I saw that Rendy Warren
Speaker 1: weighs in and Brad Brooks anybody else Brody and that
Speaker 1: chapter I think that's about it. Yeah, but they kind
Speaker 1: of they kind of talk about both there and the
Speaker 1: spectrum there, like this ultra light guy and the guy
Speaker 1: that doesn't mind carrying a little bit more gear to
Speaker 1: have it um. I want to point out something real
Speaker 1: quick about kind of how it flows. So a part
Speaker 1: of it flows like the survival kits overview, a basic
Speaker 1: survival kit which gets into your basic like how to
Speaker 1: build a basic med survive a kit, then a big
Speaker 1: list of ship that's called extra ship for your basic kit,
Speaker 1: and then you get into the official Ocean Jury rig Kit,
Speaker 1: which is like more advanced. And I want to point
Speaker 1: out that the book kind of flows like that in general,
Speaker 1: where things start out in every chapter starts out like
Speaker 1: everything is great, Like, for instance, water starts out like
Speaker 1: if your car caping, how much water do you bring
Speaker 1: per person per day? And what does that get you?
Speaker 1: Ends with how to source water when in the absence
Speaker 1: of surface water? So every chapter flows like everything is
Speaker 1: perfect too. Oh, and that's the general path through. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I think that in here that
Speaker 1: you'll find and probably a lot of other like minded books,
Speaker 1: Like they's just stuff that you can't not talk about,
Speaker 1: like how to um, what's the system called we use
Speaker 1: the tarp in the hole in the ground to get water,
Speaker 1: Like that's a legit thing to do, right, that's in
Speaker 1: in a upcoming chapter. But but I like here, like
Speaker 1: in this one instance, it's like the the extra stuff
Speaker 1: that you guys want to think about to add Like
Speaker 1: we're in the what pack and were chapter, but you
Speaker 1: guys did like an extra part for like specifically kids
Speaker 1: right like, it's it's different. You gotta think about it.
Speaker 1: Kids get wet somehow when it's like nine degrees outside,
Speaker 1: you're in the desert, and somehow sons of bitches are
Speaker 1: soaked to the bone. You know. Uh. We one time
Speaker 1: took our kids. We're up in Alaska, and I was
Speaker 1: advocating not bringing a lot of clothes for the kids
Speaker 1: because I was like, they'll just wear him dry, like
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was like you and our kid
Speaker 1: right away wades out into the water. He's two wads,
Speaker 1: wades out into the water. So he's now he's soaked
Speaker 1: up to his waist and I'm like, well, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he'll just have to wear him dry. And my wife's like,
Speaker 1: well he also shipped his pants out there. You can't
Speaker 1: wear that dry wearing anything trying south the hard but
Speaker 1: when you got a dump in your pants, oh um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have too much else to say
Speaker 1: about the chapter. I think that you should buy the
Speaker 1: book and read and see what all is in there.
Speaker 1: There even includes and and and and uh. We had um.
Speaker 1: We made sure to go in and have a female
Speaker 1: contributor tackle this one, but we got one called mountaineering
Speaker 1: tricks for saggy under things, and it's a it's information
Speaker 1: on sports bros. There you go. Steve Lays had a
Speaker 1: nice detailed packing and unpacking system in there, which I
Speaker 1: think is pretty valuable because a lot of people just
Speaker 1: kind of throw their ship and in a backpack and go.
Speaker 1: There's a condemnation of metal wedding rings, recover packs, knives, tools, shovels,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Oh and we also have
Speaker 1: in every chapter like tips section, And that's when you're
Speaker 1: writing a book. A lot of times you end up
Speaker 1: with a lot of extra stuff you wanted to talk about,
Speaker 1: but you can't make it fit nice um and in
Speaker 1: in narrative uh, in narrative nonfiction or novels and stuff
Speaker 1: you just want up you can't do it, like there's
Speaker 1: no way to do it. But in a book like this,
Speaker 1: you just have a thing called like extra stuff and
Speaker 1: then you just pile in all the stuff that you
Speaker 1: couldn't make fit normally. It's a way to do it
Speaker 1: real efficiently, to like just lay it out there quick
Speaker 1: and really why first chapter covered pretty well. I think
Speaker 1: it's good, and it from somebody who didn't write this book.
Speaker 1: So I can be an outside of perspective. I think
Speaker 1: it's important too that like a lot of people could
Speaker 1: be disassociated when they think the only time you need
Speaker 1: this is like, oh, you're in a plane crash or something.
Speaker 1: But what Y'ahanni's saying to where it's like it could
Speaker 1: be as simple as going the wrong way on the trail,
Speaker 1: and then you need some of these skills where it's
Speaker 1: like very accessible, you know what I mean. For me,
Speaker 1: that's like huge because it's like I could I could
Speaker 1: gain abilities that I might not have had just from reading.
Speaker 1: And it's it doesn't have to be some crazy scenario.
Speaker 1: It could be like everyday stuff. You know, did we
Speaker 1: pay you anything to be here? No? But I'm serious
Speaker 1: because that's true though a lot of times you're like
Speaker 1: if I tried to tell my fiance like, hey, this
Speaker 1: guy was in you know, the Sahara and his plane crash,
Speaker 1: she's already tuned me out. If it's like, hey, we're hiking,
Speaker 1: she tuned me out when I started talking. But it's
Speaker 1: like if you're just hiking, that happened to me like
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, we're on mountains. I started like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the way We ran into these bird watching
Speaker 1: guys that were like up on this survey, who were like,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you guys doing out here? I
Speaker 1: was taking us across this ridge that was headed into
Speaker 1: like nowhere. These are skills I could have used if
Speaker 1: I didn't run into those guys or so I would
Speaker 1: have been screwed. We didn't pay you, But it would
Speaker 1: be awkward if you said, like this is stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, guys six out of ten, I don't
Speaker 1: know by it. Maybe that'd be weird. No, man, day
Speaker 1: hikers get lost and injured all the time. My niece
Speaker 1: lives in the Pacific Northwest, and she was out on
Speaker 1: a hike and busted her leg and spent the night
Speaker 1: overnight until some and came by. You know, just just
Speaker 1: this past year about the elk hunter in Colorado that's
Speaker 1: got super lost. They only found him because they decided
Speaker 1: on a whim to go to area where he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to even have gone into. No, I didn't hear
Speaker 1: this story, all right, Sam, Sam's gonna cover a cult
Speaker 1: before us that he worked very hard on. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I did uh water and food which sounds very simple
Speaker 1: on the outset, and got real complicated on me real quick.
Speaker 1: But um, you know if we felt like water was
Speaker 1: you know first and foremost after you know what you bring,
Speaker 1: what you wear because you know it's the the elixir
Speaker 1: of life. Um. And so first of all, we talked
Speaker 1: about you know, how much water you need? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the biggest problems that people run into,
Speaker 1: is not bringing enough water or not knowing how to
Speaker 1: obtain water or or or or how to how to
Speaker 1: know what water you can trust. Uh. So we start
Speaker 1: off with with how much how much water you need
Speaker 1: basically you know, for a day to to to live
Speaker 1: and sit in an office or your couch downstairs. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, getting into how how that ramps up exponentially
Speaker 1: once you're outside doing stuff. Um. And and we we go,
Speaker 1: we go into the math of how how you know
Speaker 1: how much you need because you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of days hunting this time of
Speaker 1: year where it's cold and you're doing a lot of sitting,
Speaker 1: and you know, bring analogy with you for is is
Speaker 1: probably gonna suffice for a day, but then earlier in
Speaker 1: the season when it's seventy five degrees Um, you know,
Speaker 1: so you can, you can bring you can bring four
Speaker 1: liters sometimes and be down to the bottom by the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Uh, I have information on how
Speaker 1: to trick yourself into drinking, which is my problem. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice to have some tricks to, uh just get
Speaker 1: more liquids in and spice it up a little bit,
Speaker 1: because it can be a little boring to drink nothing
Speaker 1: but water. For if it's like below freezing. I'll go
Speaker 1: a day and look at my water bottle and I
Speaker 1: do that too, but then like the next day, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm all sore and cramp it up and stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's because you don't drink. One of my one of
Speaker 1: my favorite pieces we wrote about this is the highly
Speaker 1: divisive subject of water bladders. I'm a I'm a camel
Speaker 1: back guy, always have been, um, but I know I'm
Speaker 1: among a minority here with my colleagues as a as
Speaker 1: a camel back dude. And I don't do it all
Speaker 1: year because you run into problems once it starts getting cold.
Speaker 1: But I love having it so available. I just drink
Speaker 1: so much more water when when it's just like right
Speaker 1: there and you don't have to dig it dig the
Speaker 1: water bottle out of your pack when you're stopped and
Speaker 1: you can you can eat drink it on the on
Speaker 1: the run. But yeah, we we discuss all the different
Speaker 1: ways to carry your water. But then we get into
Speaker 1: the fun stuff that Steve has a lot more experience
Speaker 1: with than I do. But need need little words like
Speaker 1: gar dias giardias is gearediass isn't I butchered that cryptosporidium
Speaker 1: nailed it. Um as sharisia cool I e coal I
Speaker 1: to most people. But you know this the ship you
Speaker 1: can get from drinking unfiltered water. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: many of us have have just sipped out of a
Speaker 1: creek before. I mean I remember going on a three
Speaker 1: day hiking trip and that's all I did because I
Speaker 1: forgot my water filter. Um didn't. I didn't feel great afterwards.
Speaker 1: But we go in go real deep into water filters.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ones in the market, a
Speaker 1: lot of different um yeah, pros and cons and UV
Speaker 1: pens or stay pens, pros and cons on ceramic filters,
Speaker 1: pros and cons on gravity fed filters, absolutely sunlight boiling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we go we go all into where you where
Speaker 1: you find water because that can be a really tricky
Speaker 1: thing too, especially if you don't have a filter where
Speaker 1: where you can find water you might be able to trust.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where you know, we differentiate a
Speaker 1: little bit here from some other similar books, is that
Speaker 1: you know this is this is like you can you
Speaker 1: can drink unfiltered water if you have to. You're not
Speaker 1: necessarily going to die. It's maybe not a good idea,
Speaker 1: but you know that these things are available to you,
Speaker 1: and they're they're there are ways. There are other ways
Speaker 1: to to get clean water or make clean water. Um,
Speaker 1: if you don't have a filter, including you know, like
Speaker 1: we said, solar still transpiration bag, you can you can
Speaker 1: even use u V. I I didn't know this, but
Speaker 1: in Africa they use uv to filter their water all
Speaker 1: the time. They just use plastic waters and leave it
Speaker 1: out in the sun for a few days. It's clean.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hot, but you know it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be clean. Uh So yeah, I mean water is important
Speaker 1: as anything when you're out doing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: One of the things we get into it too, is
Speaker 1: like the science of how to rash and water, So
Speaker 1: like what when you have limited water, how do you
Speaker 1: parse it out? Spencer. We've covered this for on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but Spencer covers in the book, um, why not to
Speaker 1: drink your pa oh, and in real quick tells some
Speaker 1: other like we like don't like, we try not to
Speaker 1: give a bunch of bullshit, but some things, there's some
Speaker 1: bullshitty things are so pervasive that we actually had a
Speaker 1: touch on them. So especially, do you mind hitting on
Speaker 1: a couple of things we had to touch on. Yes,
Speaker 1: So we we had like, uh, I don't know, five
Speaker 1: or six sidebars in the book, maybe one for each
Speaker 1: chapter on sort of things that are really prevalent thinking,
Speaker 1: um that we basically said bullshit on, you know, like
Speaker 1: moss only grows on the north side of a tree,
Speaker 1: or you should uh be drinking your urine, or that
Speaker 1: men's stuating women are more likely to be attacked by bears,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um. My favorite sidebar that
Speaker 1: we covered was in the last chapter, I think on
Speaker 1: the the medical part, um basically looking at some really
Speaker 1: popular movie tropes like cowboy cauterization, which I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's like the universal term, but that's what we've
Speaker 1: been referring to it as Like in Rambo three, Rambo
Speaker 1: finds himself in a very familiar situation. He is injured,
Speaker 1: he's alone, and he's shirtless, and he's got he's got
Speaker 1: a wicked wound in his abdomen. He pulls out a
Speaker 1: piece of shrakt stick didn't he I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. That cannot be it. He pulls out a
Speaker 1: piece of shrapness at the size of his pinky from
Speaker 1: his abdomen. He then fills it with gunpowder and lights
Speaker 1: it on fire. And there's this like he's in a cave,
Speaker 1: of course, and it's painful to him. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: lights up the whole cave and he passes painful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, he staves off infection and he goes on
Speaker 1: in the movie. I put this in our original draft.
Speaker 1: He didn't make it in the book about how he
Speaker 1: finishes the movie because it's just so badass, like how
Speaker 1: many people he killed? Well, and no, like the series
Speaker 1: of events afterwards. He goes on to steal a helicopter,
Speaker 1: crashes that helicopter. He then steals a tank, crashes the
Speaker 1: tank into a helicopter, and then saves a a all
Speaker 1: because he was able to do this cowboy cauterization. Now
Speaker 1: we talked to uh Dr. Alan Lazzaro said, you absolutely
Speaker 1: should not do that. An emergency room physician who we
Speaker 1: consulted with heavily in the book, Yep, he did not
Speaker 1: caught her eyes with gunpowder. Yeah, they said, those are
Speaker 1: very very fine instruments that are like going on exact
Speaker 1: spots on your skin. If you do this cowboy cauterization
Speaker 1: where you're lighting your stomach on fire doing some self arson,
Speaker 1: you're like taking one step forward by stopping the bleeding,
Speaker 1: but five steps back you know, have through degree burns.
Speaker 1: You're going to get infected. Even worse, you have dead tissue.
Speaker 1: It's just a really bad idea. And and even aside
Speaker 1: from from adding gunpowder, I mean I feel like there's
Speaker 1: John Wayne or you know old Westerns where they would
Speaker 1: like get a knife hot and in a fire and
Speaker 1: then then press it to the to the wound to
Speaker 1: to cauterize it seal up stop the bleeding. And it's
Speaker 1: also very very bad idea. Yeah. I think could be
Speaker 1: gist of sensors pieces don't do ship you see and move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other one is sucking snake venom. Right, this is
Speaker 1: very common Western trope. Um. I think the first example
Speaker 1: I found was from nineteen seven, in a novel called
Speaker 1: The Pearl, A mother sucks scorpion venom from a baby.
Speaker 1: That was just all the way uptien red Dead Redemption
Speaker 1: to a video game, the main character sucks cotton mouth
Speaker 1: venom from a stranger. This it's very common. This has
Speaker 1: been told of all. Yes, that's a good one happens there.
Speaker 1: That was like the first example I could find of this.
Speaker 1: So what, what's what? What's the story there? Tell people?
Speaker 1: The story typically the heroin stumbles upon somebody who's been
Speaker 1: bitten by a snake. They then get out their oversized
Speaker 1: knife um cut an x in it rapid turnikin above
Speaker 1: the snake wound too. I don't know why I prevented
Speaker 1: from spreading further in the body. Maybe that's the idea.
Speaker 1: And then they suck the venom out of the wound,
Speaker 1: really furiously spit that venom out right like like like dirt.
Speaker 1: Myth yep uh. The reality is you absolutely should not
Speaker 1: do that. The venom spreads so fast that there's no
Speaker 1: like getting the horse back in the barn. You're also like, say,
Speaker 1: this is a second party assisting you in this, You're
Speaker 1: just risking them then getting the venom in themselves as well.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do it um And I've seen this sort
Speaker 1: of thing like these sort of this stuff is so prevalent,
Speaker 1: like I said before, that it's just like accepted, that's
Speaker 1: what you do. When I was in high school, I
Speaker 1: was working for a number of different farmers in the area.
Speaker 1: One guy did exclusively pigs, and we before shipping the
Speaker 1: pigs out, I think, to prevent shipping fever, which is
Speaker 1: just pneumonia, we would vaccinate the pigs with penicillin. And
Speaker 1: it's this really really chaotic scene when this is happening.
Speaker 1: It's too man job. One guy is in the stall
Speaker 1: that's probably the size of this room with dozens of pigs,
Speaker 1: the other guys running a gate letting the pigs in
Speaker 1: and out, and like if you imagine getting vaccinated like
Speaker 1: a toddler, it's a very delicate process, right where they
Speaker 1: stick the needle in and whatever. It's a very delicate thing.
Speaker 1: That's not the case with giving pigs penicillin. There's a
Speaker 1: big lot of stabbing going on. And once you vaccinate
Speaker 1: one of the pigs and the hip you spray paint
Speaker 1: them so you mark that you know this one's been done, right,
Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot of chaos and the pigs,
Speaker 1: the pig squill, etcetera. The one guy I was with
Speaker 1: and we were doing this something like that, but times
Speaker 1: times of thousand, times a thousand, the pigs are running
Speaker 1: there in between your legs stiff. The one guy was
Speaker 1: with swung down, he missed a pig, and he stabbed
Speaker 1: himself in the thigh and injected all in one motion,
Speaker 1: stuck himself inject himself with the penicillin. Whatever. We go
Speaker 1: out and the farm hand calls the farmer and he
Speaker 1: explains to him what happened. On one hand, right, he
Speaker 1: had stuck himself with penicillin, which is like, is that
Speaker 1: an antibiotic? So you stuck yourself with penision. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, this needle had been in hundreds of pigs,
Speaker 1: and this was peak swine flew time. Um. I was
Speaker 1: a junior in high school in two thousand nine, so
Speaker 1: that was like top of mind as well. He calls
Speaker 1: the farmer and he tells him what happens. Philip was
Speaker 1: the farm hand. Fred was a farmer. Philip tells Fred
Speaker 1: what happened, and there's a long pause and Fred thinks
Speaker 1: about it and he says, well, Philip, did you try
Speaker 1: to suck it out? As if that was a solution.
Speaker 1: So it's just prevalent stuff like that that makes it
Speaker 1: into you know, the psyche of everybody, and it's just
Speaker 1: like a solution to a problem. But it's not. Uh,
Speaker 1: And we don't just curse the darkness. We light a
Speaker 1: candle about telling you what you do do when he
Speaker 1: gets stung by a snake, zapped whatever you call it
Speaker 1: by a snake, and what you do do when you
Speaker 1: have a chump of shrapnel or bullet in you. So
Speaker 1: it's not all this negative Nancy. That's right. When Rambo
Speaker 1: had that wound, he should have been lighting himself on fire.
Speaker 1: He should have taking his headband out of his luscious
Speaker 1: locks and he used as a tourniquet. That would have
Speaker 1: been much more simple, much more effective. Uh, you're just
Speaker 1: saying something. Maybe you want to say something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: talking about food, Sam, I'll talk about food. Steve. Well,
Speaker 1: you know the way I've been pitching this to all
Speaker 1: my all my friends and and just everybody out there
Speaker 1: is like this is this is a book that's not
Speaker 1: It's not as much as Survival Guy it's just like
Speaker 1: how to be a how to be an outdoorsman outdoors person. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know in this in this food section, we
Speaker 1: start with what do you bring? Because typically when you're
Speaker 1: going outside, you just bringing damn food with you. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's a lot more a lot more simple that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're often going outside looking for food,
Speaker 1: but um, we still bring a lot of freeze ride
Speaker 1: ship with us as we go. So we we really
Speaker 1: break down just like how to be comfortable, how to
Speaker 1: enjoy it, um, including a section called ten ways the
Speaker 1: master the freeze dried Experience. Absolutely, and I think that's
Speaker 1: one tips on freeze dry. That's one of the most important.
Speaker 1: That's one of the most important tips out there, because
Speaker 1: if you can't enjoy free stride meals, you can't spend
Speaker 1: heck of a long time out outdoors. What do you
Speaker 1: carry with you in your backpack for free dry? Stick
Speaker 1: of butter? Oh? Sometimes, yeah, I like I like my butter.
Speaker 1: I bring a little to bring a little uh, a
Speaker 1: little bit of hot sauce with me, salt and pepper.
Speaker 1: All these hot tips are in here, all these hot
Speaker 1: including a section should you be buying all those supplements
Speaker 1: which we felt like we needed to address. And the
Speaker 1: answers no um and and you know, some of our
Speaker 1: you know, more kind of cozy homey stuff like bringing
Speaker 1: jerky and Smokey's and pepperoni sticks and you know, just
Speaker 1: how to have fun out there and and and and
Speaker 1: not get not get so sick of the same old
Speaker 1: bars that you that you don't want to eat them,
Speaker 1: and you're not putting enough calories. And you know, we
Speaker 1: also get into like how many calories you do need
Speaker 1: because you know, everybody, everybody knows from the nutritional labels
Speaker 1: on the back of a you know, can of beans
Speaker 1: or you know, bag of chips, that everybody has a
Speaker 1: two thousand needs a two thousand calorie diet. But that's
Speaker 1: just really not true. That's just that that's just an
Speaker 1: average of American adults. But you know, when you're when
Speaker 1: you're sitting around at home, you may need way less
Speaker 1: than that. But if you're climbing four thousand feet up
Speaker 1: a mountain, you're gonna need twice that much more than that.
Speaker 1: Even and sometimes like you can't cannot physically put enough
Speaker 1: calories in your body to replace what you've what you've
Speaker 1: burned through and so we do you know, some simple
Speaker 1: simple math there about how to how to consider what
Speaker 1: you bring with you, um, based on based on weight
Speaker 1: and caloric value UM. And uh, you know I talked
Speaker 1: to honest about about some of this stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: sample overnight packing packing list, sample five day packing list
Speaker 1: for you know, day hike packing list, just kind of
Speaker 1: some ideas to get you started based on what we
Speaker 1: do and what we've had success with and what we
Speaker 1: enjoy eating. UM. When we we uh, we get into
Speaker 1: the different types of stoves. Worked a lot with Ryan
Speaker 1: Callahan on that one. UM. You know, there there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different options out there, and you know from
Speaker 1: your pot belly wall tent stove to the little bitty
Speaker 1: uh alcohol stoves you can make out of a beer
Speaker 1: can chopped in half, um, and kind of some of
Speaker 1: the advantages and disadvantages. UM. And then after that we start, um,
Speaker 1: we kind of take a hard turn into food you
Speaker 1: can find. And so this is more in the survival section,
Speaker 1: like when she hits the fan, what what do you do? What?
Speaker 1: I mean, what what can you eat out there? That's
Speaker 1: always really the captivating part of any survival story is
Speaker 1: like what did they eat? Um? And you find out
Speaker 1: that people live on you know, have lived on lizards
Speaker 1: and eels and even certain types of berries for for
Speaker 1: long periods of time. UM. And this is where this
Speaker 1: chapter got away from you a little bit. I remember
Speaker 1: you asking me for about eight thousand words, and I
Speaker 1: think I turned in like thirty thousand because UM basically
Speaker 1: basically went through everything you can eat in the wild
Speaker 1: areas of North America. We had to condense that a
Speaker 1: little bit. On the food fruits and berries part. I
Speaker 1: worked with a friend of yours, Samuel Thayer, who's just
Speaker 1: oh the man when it comes to uh, wild plants.
Speaker 1: He's a UM. He's a foraging author and instructor and
Speaker 1: wild foods expert based in Wisconsin. And he was telling
Speaker 1: me we were talking on the phone, he goes survival camping.
Speaker 1: It's just like for for fun. He'll go out with
Speaker 1: nothing and just find shipped eat for a week. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty bad. He knows his ship,
Speaker 1: he knows the ship real well. So he helped me
Speaker 1: narrow it down to about about two dozen different plants
Speaker 1: like commonly widely available, easily identified wild plants without dead
Speaker 1: ringer killers. Absolutely, So it's like, well, it's got six
Speaker 1: lobes on the leaf that will kill you, but it's
Speaker 1: got five lobes, it's pretty tasty. We help you steer
Speaker 1: clear of the things that you're gonna screw up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and this even helped me this this spring,
Speaker 1: a buddy and I were out looking for Morrel's and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, this is this is wild onion. We
Speaker 1: pulled popped out the bulbs and and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this isn't really look right. And and I had just
Speaker 1: written this section, and and he ate it and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a little sour, a little little tart um, And
Speaker 1: I was like thinking. I was like, man, isn't it
Speaker 1: There's something about flat, Like no the wild onion. Wild
Speaker 1: onions are supposed to be around stem, and this is flat.
Speaker 1: This is wild iris. And we're both eating one at
Speaker 1: this point, and I'm like, oh, we shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: Should we maybe make ourselves throw up? Should have read
Speaker 1: the book? Should have read the book? A huge section
Speaker 1: in here on like what's up with eating a all
Speaker 1: the common questions, what's up with eating the scump? What's
Speaker 1: up with you the possible? What's up with you the Kyle,
Speaker 1: what's up with eating a lizard? Somebody the alligator, like
Speaker 1: all the like, where's the meat, what's up with it,
Speaker 1: what to expect, what's gonna kill you? And also a
Speaker 1: little bit about like how to how to find it,
Speaker 1: how to get it, primitive, yeah, like how to pack
Speaker 1: for it, primitive methods. Even a gripping section on how
Speaker 1: to free your dog from traps because a lot of
Speaker 1: dog owners are tripped out often rightfully so, about traps,
Speaker 1: what to do in those situations, what the timelines look like,
Speaker 1: how to get your dog out of a trap. Should
Speaker 1: you be out hiking and something bad happens. Absolutely yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean we when we go from you know,
Speaker 1: when when we're talking about when we get past the
Speaker 1: plants and talking about animals. Where we started in with shellfish,
Speaker 1: you know, crayfish, mollusks, crabs, bivalves, um, stuff. I grew
Speaker 1: up doing, you know, hopping tide pools and stuff. But
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in a you're in a coastal area,
Speaker 1: that's probably the best way to feed yourself. Then we
Speaker 1: get into fish. Obviously, I uh didn't didn't leave any
Speaker 1: stone unturned there, uh um. But you know there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of cool, cool ways to uh to catch fish.
Speaker 1: I had just filmed a little video a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago with some of these tips that we have
Speaker 1: in here. I went and caught Brookie with a a
Speaker 1: piece of line and a stick. I chopped candy rapper
Speaker 1: for a lure, and then I made a little fire
Speaker 1: and spit it up and ate it and the whole
Speaker 1: the whole thing took about half an hour. So it's
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we drove there for with that specific
Speaker 1: thing in mind, but you know, it's some of these
Speaker 1: things are really doable. UM, fish traps, trot lines, set lines,
Speaker 1: fish spears, UM got we've got the you know, little
Speaker 1: emergency survival kid. I love this. We had Joe surm Melli. Um,
Speaker 1: we had Joseph Melly right this one about you know
Speaker 1: about what World War two pilots, how they had a
Speaker 1: they had a little survival kit in there, uh, a
Speaker 1: survival fishing kid in their survival kit. Um. And the
Speaker 1: stuff they would bring, uh you know, they're not bringing
Speaker 1: rap Paula's, they're not bringing anything fancy. But you know,
Speaker 1: a silver or gold spoon, it's pretty much all you need.
Speaker 1: But as I as I showed the other day, a
Speaker 1: bear hook with a little chunk of candy rapper works
Speaker 1: just just fine on brook trout. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of work our way through from the from
Speaker 1: the easier stuff to catch kind of the less advanced
Speaker 1: animals into trickier and bigger things. We've got amphibians, we've
Speaker 1: got reptiles, lizards, turtles, crocodilians, birds. We spill a lot
Speaker 1: of ink on on the fool hen concept um in
Speaker 1: the bird section, which you know, any anywhere you go
Speaker 1: in the country, they've got something they call fool hen.
Speaker 1: It's it's not the same species everywhere, but you know,
Speaker 1: different types of grouse can be uh, it can be
Speaker 1: very easy, well relatively easy to to capture compared to
Speaker 1: other birds. The food chapter ends with my favorite section,
Speaker 1: which is called and lastly a few thoughts on cannibalism,
Speaker 1: and we lay that whole situation out if you make
Speaker 1: it that far, will you do it? What parts you
Speaker 1: might want to start eating on, and a little bit
Speaker 1: of the psychology of cannibalism and how that came around
Speaker 1: to We kIPS it around for a while and they
Speaker 1: were like, we have to talk about most people are
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a cocktail before they get into
Speaker 1: that little well I got. It just gets into like
Speaker 1: it gets into like so it sort of pulls the question,
Speaker 1: you know, like what what happens there? Uh? Chapter four
Speaker 1: Things that bite, mall stinger make you sick. It just
Speaker 1: covers the whole gamut. Uh starts out with all you
Speaker 1: know everything about plants, okay, thorny plants, cactuses, gets into insects,
Speaker 1: and a rachnids goes through biting flies. So it's everything
Speaker 1: like treating it, avoiding it, worst case scenarios, insect born
Speaker 1: pathogens gets into bees, wasps, hornets, jiggers, fire ants, on
Speaker 1: and on, a big big bunch of stuff about lyme disease,
Speaker 1: lone star ticks which take away your tolerance for meat, spiders,
Speaker 1: transla scorpions, all kinds of stuff on identify and avoiding.
Speaker 1: Gets into fish and reptiles like like jellyfish, sting rays,
Speaker 1: lion fish, how to deal with them. We had a
Speaker 1: big section from spear Fisherman on like what's up with
Speaker 1: great with sharks? A little bit of a breakdown on
Speaker 1: the four big offenders when it comes to sharks, what
Speaker 1: their behaviors, are like, what to do, how to tell
Speaker 1: when you might be in trouble with a shark, shark
Speaker 1: attack prevention, all kinds of stuff on snakes, gators, a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on mammals, with particular focus on rodents
Speaker 1: and different kind of pathogens that are pasted there, how
Speaker 1: to avoid them, how to deal with porcupine quills, skunk bombs,
Speaker 1: rabbit fever, gets into hoof mammals, and then it gets
Speaker 1: into all this stuff we love to think about grizzlies
Speaker 1: and mountain lions and all that stuff, and wolves, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's a little bit of buzz killing
Speaker 1: there when you start looking at the numbers and is
Speaker 1: it really something you ought to be spending upon buch
Speaker 1: time on if you do feel compelled to spend some
Speaker 1: time on thinking about it and preparing for it, what
Speaker 1: you should do? And we get real heavily into the
Speaker 1: old debate bear spray or pistols um, Stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: Who wants to tackle shelter and warmth real quick? Yeah? Sure, um,
Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. You know, how you're gonna
Speaker 1: stay basically, how you're gonna stay dry, and how you're
Speaker 1: gonna stay warm because that you know, if you screw
Speaker 1: those two up, that's what's gonna kill you probably. Um. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's understanding weather and using every resource
Speaker 1: you can to to get a good as good at
Speaker 1: handle on the what the weather is going to be
Speaker 1: when you're out there as you can with with the
Speaker 1: the understanding that if you're going on an extended trip
Speaker 1: a week or two weeks and you're gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: away from civilization for for a while. At ten day
Speaker 1: forecast is only so useful, um, because they're in act.
Speaker 1: There's like inaccuracy is built into a ten day forecast
Speaker 1: to begin with. And in a lot of places, like
Speaker 1: the weather can be one way in one valley and
Speaker 1: the next valley over it's doing something completely different. So
Speaker 1: you just got to prepare for you know everything, Like
Speaker 1: out here in early September l hunting in Montana, it
Speaker 1: might be seventy five degrees, but the next day it
Speaker 1: could be you know, and there's a foot of snow
Speaker 1: on the ground. So getting a handle on the weather
Speaker 1: is the big thing. Um. Then you move into shelter
Speaker 1: and basically we go over uh different types of shelters,
Speaker 1: focusing on tents and all the different kinds of tents
Speaker 1: and sizes of tents, and how to pick the right
Speaker 1: tent for what you're doing. UM, you know, with the
Speaker 1: knowledge in mind that a three season tent is probably
Speaker 1: the most versatile. UM. And then just getting into two
Speaker 1: different types of tents within that, like backpacking tense family tents.
Speaker 1: You know how to use a tarp to create a shelter.
Speaker 1: We we you know, oftentimes when we're out in the field,
Speaker 1: we're setting up a little sun or rain or wind
Speaker 1: shelter with just just using a tarp. It's a soup
Speaker 1: like you can pack one of those things that's basically
Speaker 1: the size of your fist inside your backpack and always
Speaker 1: have some kind of shelter with you. Then we get
Speaker 1: into sleeping bags and choosing a sleeping bag synthetic versus
Speaker 1: down versus this new treated down that they have an
Speaker 1: understanding temperature ratings and sleeping bags, and and giving yourself
Speaker 1: a buffer. It's a good idea to always give yourself
Speaker 1: a buffer going a little let's sleep with a sleeping
Speaker 1: bag that's rated a little colder than what you expect
Speaker 1: to run into. UM. We got some more lists of
Speaker 1: tips and tricks like Steve was talking about for staying
Speaker 1: warm and drying comfy in there, um, and then we
Speaker 1: get into like campsites and picking and choosing a campsite
Speaker 1: preparing it, and after that we kind of get into
Speaker 1: the old school survival book uh idea of of building
Speaker 1: emergency shelters. Um. Starting out with stuff you can carry
Speaker 1: around like contractors, bags and tarps and things like that,
Speaker 1: and moving on to like just finding natural shelters like
Speaker 1: tree wells or digging a snow cave or building a
Speaker 1: lean to or like all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 1: then we uh get into building fires. And that's a
Speaker 1: big section because a lot of times, uh, staying warm
Speaker 1: is gonna mean you have the ability to light and
Speaker 1: maintain a fire. So we have a long section in
Speaker 1: there on finding fire building materials and what you should
Speaker 1: be carrying to build a fire, like you know, bick
Speaker 1: lighters like were we all carry probably multiple bick lighters
Speaker 1: in our packs, but we also have backup systems like
Speaker 1: a firestick, magnesium fire sticks, all kinds of info on
Speaker 1: fires in their great good stuff in there. It's a
Speaker 1: good section. Um more skills. Have a question, do you
Speaker 1: are in there recommend that people practice Yeah, definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: different ways, especially under shitty conditions. You know. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we've all been in Southeast Alaska. It's Steve's cabin where
Speaker 1: getting a fire started and a stove as hard. You know,
Speaker 1: how many of us have been on that trip where
Speaker 1: you like, you know, what you do the fire, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go do X, Y and Z. Weever might be
Speaker 1: the other chores you need to get done. I'll get
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later you come back. Where's the fire, bro?
Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely practice us that ship. Like Remy Warren
Speaker 1: says when he's late season el cunting, he makes a
Speaker 1: little fire every time he sits down to glass. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just just you know, keep the keep the tool sharp.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much that that chapter how to Stay
Speaker 1: dry and warm and uh navigation wilderness travel. One thing
Speaker 1: you'll find, like one thing we do in this book
Speaker 1: that no other book like this has is we have
Speaker 1: a lot of very up to date technical information about
Speaker 1: UM devices. So how do you use mapping apps, mapping software,
Speaker 1: how to use in reach devices. So instead of getting
Speaker 1: you know, we do cover all some of the old
Speaker 1: basic tricks about you know, celestial navigation and kind of
Speaker 1: a lot of such as interesting and good to know.
Speaker 1: But we also covered like just how to avoid trouble
Speaker 1: by using technology. Um, you can avoid a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: I brought us up recently on a on A when
Speaker 1: I was talking to I was on Tim Ferris to
Speaker 1: show we're talking about the book, and I said that
Speaker 1: mcfee's trilogy on g apology animals of the Former World
Speaker 1: in it. He says, Um, if I could sum up
Speaker 1: this book in one sentence, it would be that the
Speaker 1: top of Mount Everest is made from marine limestone. Um.
Speaker 1: If I was gonna sum up this book in one sentence,
Speaker 1: I'd probably say, like on X and in reach, or
Speaker 1: get on X and in reach. It's like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things you can do today for very small
Speaker 1: amounts of money that, if done properly, can eliminate the
Speaker 1: chance of risk. I shouldn't say that damn near damn
Speaker 1: near eliminate chance. And even if something bad happens, those
Speaker 1: two things are gonna make getting out of it alive
Speaker 1: way way easier. They don't. They don't solve all your problems,
Speaker 1: But holy smokes man, a lot of times you read
Speaker 1: about people in trouble, you're like that dude should have
Speaker 1: had of this. Uh. We talked about spatial awareness in
Speaker 1: the navigation mindset, which is probably one of the best
Speaker 1: things you can give and talk about. Wilderness travel is
Speaker 1: just trying to develop spatial awareness strategy so you understand
Speaker 1: what's going on around you. Navigation tools, modern technology, old
Speaker 1: school woodsmanship, getting all that stuff, locator beacons that are
Speaker 1: used by mountaineers, to a radios, the capabilities of your
Speaker 1: own phone use as a GPS unit. Then we have
Speaker 1: a big thing navigating without electronics, so all that's not forgotten.
Speaker 1: Then we wind up going into different environments. Okay, so
Speaker 1: navigation wilderness travel mountain section, swamp section, desert section, all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff about moving on snow and ice, including
Speaker 1: how to tell frozen rivers and lakes, how to assess
Speaker 1: ice conditions, what you're gonna expect when you're out on
Speaker 1: the ice. So this is one of those areas where
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of personal experience from people that
Speaker 1: worked on the book talking about like, hey man, if
Speaker 1: you're in the mountains, traveling in the mountains, here's tend
Speaker 1: things to keep in mind, like some things not to do,
Speaker 1: some things to do, and we lay all that out
Speaker 1: including you know a lot of old school tricks. We
Speaker 1: get into white water safety, boating safety, ocean safety, um
Speaker 1: and and again get into some like old school strategies
Speaker 1: around how to build flotation devices, how to survive in
Speaker 1: the water, how to survive in cold water, how long
Speaker 1: you have water rescues, all that stuff, and in a
Speaker 1: lot of packing lists, a lot of packing lists about
Speaker 1: wilderness travel. Who's gonna do medical and safety? The last
Speaker 1: one can do one thing I also add before I start,
Speaker 1: that is all these chapters um, like contrary or a
Speaker 1: lot of traditional survival books, um that kind of go
Speaker 1: with the primitive skill route like building like making a
Speaker 1: fire with a bow drill, or like like knitting some
Speaker 1: buckskins pants or whatever. Like we embrace like good gear
Speaker 1: like in every part of this this book, because good
Speaker 1: gear makes your life easier. And so you're gonna find
Speaker 1: throughout the book that we're gonna like call out ship
Speaker 1: that we use and stuff that we really like. Um
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to throw that in there too.
Speaker 1: Um So moving on to medical and safety, this is
Speaker 1: a big one. Um. It's it's I think people tend
Speaker 1: to and this goes back to Steve's kind of reality
Speaker 1: TV survival stuff that where things are tend to be overblown. Um,
Speaker 1: the ship that's gonna get you as not. It's probably
Speaker 1: not going to be the big ship. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the little ship. It's gonna be a sprained ankle, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be vomiting because you've got some kind of gut problem.
Speaker 1: Things like that. Like that's what's really gonna screw you
Speaker 1: up in the outdoors. And if you're in a situation
Speaker 1: where you can't get out quickly, a sprained ankle can
Speaker 1: be really bad news, and the flu can be really
Speaker 1: bad news. So that that's how we kind of built
Speaker 1: This chapter is going off that kind of baseline. But
Speaker 1: this this chapter starts out with hygiene, like poor hygiene.
Speaker 1: Just talk to you, honest man. He's the hygiene the
Speaker 1: hygiene sheriff in camp. Usually what do you mean? I
Speaker 1: asked everybody if they're brushing their teeth and washing their
Speaker 1: hands and like, because like that's how you can get sick.
Speaker 1: It's called basic hygiene for dirtback. Yeah, exactly, Like, no
Speaker 1: one you're gonna be dirty, but trying to maintain a
Speaker 1: level of cleanliness that isn't gonna make you or other
Speaker 1: people that you're with sick. Well, you know, you know
Speaker 1: your kids. Ever watched Bob the Builder? Yep? His theme
Speaker 1: song is boots, belt hard and work. Like I hear
Speaker 1: that song getting sung in my house. Well, our ten
Speaker 1: year old I made him a song about how to shower. Um,
Speaker 1: it goes pits, button nuts, sat washed like Bob the Builder. Yes,
Speaker 1: button nuts, Yeah, washed like Bile the Builder, because like,
Speaker 1: I know, how get ten years old. It's like he's
Speaker 1: like going to the shower and he steps immediately out.
Speaker 1: What happens? I'm wet? Did it goes in? Just to confirm? Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like how else would have you wet in there?
Speaker 1: Like three seconds ago? Dude? But there's ways to stay
Speaker 1: clean even if you don't have access to a shower. Um,
Speaker 1: and we go through all that, we go through pooping
Speaker 1: in the woods and how disgusting surface shitters are. Big
Speaker 1: section on that. UM have a little hygiene essentials kit,
Speaker 1: and then we move into the big one. First age.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask, how many different positions did you cover
Speaker 1: for pooping in the woods? Well, I think did we
Speaker 1: talk about this at some point? But stick the stick
Speaker 1: grabbing there and just the you know freestyle. Um. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we cover a little bit of stuff yea. So then
Speaker 1: we probably the best material ever written. I would say,
Speaker 1: probably the best thing I've written in the wood. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Granted there's a whole book on it, but we pair
Speaker 1: that down to just the info you need um medical um,
Speaker 1: first aid kits and or medical kits. Uh. Probably the
Speaker 1: biggest thing we learned before well, during the process of
Speaker 1: writing this book, the thing that we all weren't caring
Speaker 1: that we should have been caring is a tourniquet and
Speaker 1: that that goes back to our buddy Dr Alan Lazar.
Speaker 1: We had a whole podcast on that that you can
Speaker 1: listen to if you haven't. Did you hear about the
Speaker 1: life we saved? Yes, I mean to brag. Yes. A
Speaker 1: dude listened to the podcast and then was in a
Speaker 1: hunting accident shortly after saved his dad's life. His dad
Speaker 1: got shot and he had just listened to the podcast
Speaker 1: and did all the tourniquet ship and saved the guy's life.
Speaker 1: He said, you would have never have liked. That would
Speaker 1: not have been on his radar. But we go through,
Speaker 1: we go through everything you should have in your first
Speaker 1: aid kit with with the knowledge that like, these things
Speaker 1: aren't like static, Like we're constantly adjusting what we're carrying
Speaker 1: in our survival kit and what we're carrying in our
Speaker 1: first aid kits. But we go through the stuff that
Speaker 1: should always be in there, the stuff that you probably
Speaker 1: want to have in there, and stuff that you can
Speaker 1: move in and out of there according to your needs.
Speaker 1: Um and uh, you just have to like you got
Speaker 1: to make it a habit of carrying a first aid kit.
Speaker 1: I was just hunting with some buddies in Colorado like
Speaker 1: a month ago, and I was making fun of one
Speaker 1: of my buddies because he didn't carry a first aid kit,
Speaker 1: and sure ship the next day when he was skinning
Speaker 1: his buck, he stabbed himself in the leg. Was like, man,
Speaker 1: I should have been carrying a first aid kit. Um,
Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you're you're asking for trouble. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then we go into kind of just educating yourself on
Speaker 1: how to administer first aid. We go through all kinds
Speaker 1: of diagnosis information on like the things that are you're
Speaker 1: going to run into out there, for um, sprained ankles
Speaker 1: and gut problems to bruises and strains, too broken legs,
Speaker 1: to illnesses to heart attacks, two strokes, like basically everything
Speaker 1: that could could get you out there. We go through
Speaker 1: on everything on how to diagnose and potentially treat it
Speaker 1: if you're able to. Uh, it's pretty extensive all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So there's some real cool information on like accept assessing
Speaker 1: a dominant pain by quadrant and arterial pressure guides, like
Speaker 1: really good just first aid info throughout this thing. I
Speaker 1: think that's life. Yeah. Yeah, if you're gonna pay attention
Speaker 1: to one chapter in here, this is probably the one
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. Uh how much is that there?
Speaker 1: But I think it's twenty five retail right usually? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to go find out. Let me find out
Speaker 1: what says right here? I think actually for sale Amazon
Speaker 1: or something. Um, let's see nine steel Dude, I was
Speaker 1: five years old night uh oh, already listened as a
Speaker 1: best seller here. I don't know what the hell that means.
Speaker 1: That could be best listen by the DAYMN book. I
Speaker 1: don't even care if you want it, buy it and
Speaker 1: give it to someone. I'm just begging you. I don't
Speaker 1: like begging and pleading. It's got a kick ass cover
Speaker 1: on it, very durrible flexibining cover, so you can take
Speaker 1: it outside if you need to do me a favor
Speaker 1: and just buy the book. Please, It's all I'm asking. Please,
Speaker 1: I'm begging and pleading. Part two. Thank you everybody. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I have a closing statement. I know we're long over time,
Speaker 1: but I'm most surprised and none of you picked up
Speaker 1: on all this and want to add this because what
Speaker 1: what really to me sets this book apart. And I'll
Speaker 1: admit I have not read the whole thing, but I've
Speaker 1: heard this from people that have read the whole thing,
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't read like just a bunch of
Speaker 1: dry information. Everybody here that contributed like is very like
Speaker 1: good creative flowy um, like great stories in there that
Speaker 1: kind of black up all this information and personal anecdotes
Speaker 1: of you know, how they learned this stuff and how
Speaker 1: they could have known, you know, how they could have
Speaker 1: used the more information that's in this book now at
Speaker 1: that moment. And um, yeah, So it's like it's a
Speaker 1: good read. You're not gonna be it's not gonna put
Speaker 1: you to bed at night. You're probably gonna stay up
Speaker 1: wanting to read more. You'll lay there making this noise.
Speaker 1: You'd be like you're reading, you'd be like to your
Speaker 1: husband and be like, oh my god. You'd be like
Speaker 1: that's funny. And then you'd be like, holy cow, did
Speaker 1: you And then you'd be like, oh man, I had
Speaker 1: no like you'll be doing all night long. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, Like my god, I gotta eat
Speaker 1: a copy of that book. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun with the survival guides of the past. How you know,
Speaker 1: they would have a diagram of a deer with like
Speaker 1: a bull's eye on its head, and like this is
Speaker 1: where you stab a deer and that's how you survived.
Speaker 1: And so we're kind of like, yeah, forget all that.
Speaker 1: You know, a squirrel might be a little bit better
Speaker 1: move for you right now. So everybody joining the fun. Oh,
Speaker 1: Leon Crane, the guy that got the I'll bring this
Speaker 1: full circle. Leon Crane, the guy that got uh in
Speaker 1: that plane it wrecked. Um spent days trying to kill
Speaker 1: a pine squirrel and couldn't do it. Tried everything, started
Speaker 1: walking and found a trapper shack. That's what saved him.
Speaker 1: And he knew he did some very good decision making
Speaker 1: about what direction he ought to walk based on topography.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's like, oh, I just kill some pine squirrels.
Speaker 1: He said, he butout went mad. Start eating pine needles.
Speaker 1: That's gotta make your joy of the fun. Meet Eater.
Speaker 1: Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival by a shipload Now
Speaker 1: why P says it's the best wildness Skills in survival
Speaker 1: book he's ever seen ever, by far. And he said,
Speaker 1: I bought ten already, I bought eleven already. Oh he
Speaker 1: just bought another one, all right, Thanks everybody,