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Speaker 1: when you get a hair when you get a hit

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Speaker 1: I mean, but you know about I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 1: It happens to me every time you've had that experience.

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Speaker 1: you can get it out and at home haircut. When

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Speaker 1: I do buzz cut. You're exactly right. Well, I wore

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Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm doing good? How are you? Um?

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Speaker 1: Do you? Uh? I know your name is Ben. What's

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Speaker 1: your preferred thing? I don't know, it's I'm sure like

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Speaker 1: page views? What the hell is going on? It was

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Speaker 1: an accident. I actually was never meant to be. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I made a music video, believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: So when I made I was trying to get his attention,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, weirdly to like do fishing content.

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Speaker 1: me how or why, but the attention of Dave Port,

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Speaker 1: one of the funniest dudes ever. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think does a good rant. He's annoyed about something,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy as long as it's not him about something,

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Speaker 1: So that I could watch him express annoyance. I would

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Speaker 1: see you guys to talk about it, because I've never

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Speaker 1: seen him lose an argument. He's do you think he'd

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, he's smart enough to know when. Um,

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Speaker 1: like he's smart enough to know that that's hypocritical. Oh yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: like I think he just doesn't want to hunt, you

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Speaker 1: me right now I have I'm not a big hunter guy,

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Speaker 1: I would love Spencer will tell you one, tell him

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Speaker 1: Like what is the Latvian mantra when it comes to karma? Like,

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Speaker 1: So I called them on a Saturday afternoon. It like noon.

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Speaker 1: We could do that. So the woman on the phone,

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Speaker 1: good deal. So they found somebody who was a volunteer

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Speaker 1: ninety miles away that I could then drive the owl to.

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Speaker 1: to take it to Bozeman and on my way home

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Speaker 1: from there. Oh okay, So you say, like here's it

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Speaker 1: did the right thing. I was actually wondering about that

425
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: the whole time. But I was trying to only interrupt you,

426
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: like thirty times. Did you when you called to tell

427
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: him about his fence, did you try to sneak in

428
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: him permission? Ask? Well, I was cutting your fence. I

429
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: couldn't help, but a beautiful property deer was dead by

430
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: that point, so I didn't I didn't need any more permissions. Well,

431
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: I got you, that's right. I didn't want I didn't

432
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: want to push karma too much there? Okay, Yanni, Um,

433
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: we gotta cut in Taylor McCall's intro. Okay, Yeah, and

434
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: say is gonna help Johnny sam longn is gonna help

435
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: Yanni with his book? Report? Brody Henderson's here too. He

436
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: hasn't really said ship I'm just waiting for my moment. Okay, UM,

437
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, UM, I'm here today to talk about how Um,

438
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a proper intro. Strong did you were?

439
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: You were probably flying high off the owl story, right

440
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: I was? I mean until it got killed, I don't know.

441
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: And then and then like when Yanni kicked in there,

442
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: did you feel like just a real like just the

443
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: energy drained out of the room. Didn't I'll just die

444
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: it again? When he started, I remember that it got ethanized.

445
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: We're gonna go from predatory birds to pray birds. Talking

446
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: talking about ducks, the US Fish and Wildlife Service announced

447
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: I think over the summertime that for were their contest

448
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: that UH takes in artwork entries that are then used

449
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: for the Federal duck stamp has a new rule. Okay,

450
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: now to tell you all about Federal duck stamp, exactly

451
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: what it is and how that works. Here's Sam Longan.

452
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: That's great. That's and I promise I will pick it

453
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: up because I was very eloquent, just like getting in

454
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: there and out of there. Well, thanks Johnny. Glad to

455
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to about one of my favorite Well,

456
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: I think many of our listeners are probably abundantly familiar

457
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: with the federal duck stamp program. Every American who wants

458
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: to hunt waterfowl has to buy one every year. It's

459
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. The program was established in nineteen thirty four.

460
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: And you can read a piece I wrote about out

461
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: Ding Darling jay Norwouold Darling, who was a political cartoonist, satis.

462
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: How do you say that we're satirist satirists? It doesn't

463
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: sound right though, does either way? He tired things, Yeah

464
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: he did, he did, um but yeah it was it

465
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: was a cartoonist for most of his career, but he UM.

466
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: He became so prominent that UM Franklin Delano Roosevelt hired

467
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: him to start the US Fish and Wildlife Servi Service.

468
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: It was called something different back then. UM. But Congress

469
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: passed the Federal duck Stamp Act in nineteen thirty four,

470
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: and he was responsible for implementing that, and he drew

471
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: the first one. It used to be a dollar, UM,

472
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: but it was. It was meant to generate funding for

473
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: UM wetlands concerts. Started out as a dollar one dollar, Yeah,

474
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was how much money total? Now it's

475
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: over a billion dollars and a billion dollars. You see

476
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: different numbers in different places. I've seen eight hundred million

477
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: in some places, but the US Fish and Wildlife Service

478
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: says one billion and and that they've conserved over six

479
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: six million acres of um of wetlands since nineteen. Yeah. Absolutely, man,

480
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: it's so it's it's it's enormously popular and successful program. Um.

481
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: And it's become really popular for collection. And I actually

482
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: just spoke to the uh well the email to the

483
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: chief of the Federal Duck Stamp Office this morning. Um.

484
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: And is that his dedicated job or he just kind

485
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: of kicks in for a week or two every year

486
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: her dedicated job? But I believe it's year round. Um.

487
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: And I've worked worked with her before to get permissions

488
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: for US to use uh images of duck stamps because

489
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: our media. But she said that they sell one point

490
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: five million stamps every year, and what are they get now?

491
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: There were dollars now they had been like fifteen for

492
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: an attorney fifteen until and everybody had a ship fit. Yeah,

493
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: because it went up from fifteen to twenty five. But

494
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: then people had to point out, we haven't raised it

495
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: for a long time, decades decades. But we're also scheduled

496
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: for another ten dollar increase sometime and then your future

497
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: I believe, and anyone that wants to hunt ducks has

498
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: to buy that and then for a weird reason, I guess,

499
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe not weird, because no, they don't want you trade

500
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: in it between your friends. You gotta write your name

501
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, put it on your license and write

502
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: your name across it. So it's like not transfer. I

503
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: never really put that together. Yeah, it's like you can't

504
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh, just take my ducks damp. Yeah. And

505
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: she she said that there's about one one million waterfowl

506
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: hunters approximately every year who buy a waterfowl um waterfowl

507
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: licenses and hunt waterfowl. But um. She also knows that

508
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: a large proportion of hunters by two every year one

509
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: to put on their license in one for a collectible,

510
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: which my my dad's done for my entire life. He's

511
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: always bought a couple. He likes the program. Yeah, he

512
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: likes the program. Um. They have a series of like

513
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: prints from back in I think the eighties with you know,

514
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: like the actual print of the painting plus the ducks tall.

515
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my friend Mark has a lot of those

516
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of those. He was like a

517
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: big painting and then in the corner is actual stamp. Yeah. Yeah,

518
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: my father in law has a wall literally of that.

519
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: He was like a chapter chairman or president for a

520
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: lot of years of a d u um uh chapter

521
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: and uh yeah. I mean there's like I don't know,

522
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen in each frame, and there's just a

523
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: whole wall of him. You know, he's been did it

524
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: for forty years or so. Have you ever asked, did

525
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: you when you're on the phone with what's the woman's

526
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: name who runs that program? Fellows, have you ever asked

527
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: her why they won't do like a cubist duck or

528
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: an impressionistic I've wanted to, but I have like a

529
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: modern duck. This conversation, I'm gonna ask you that it's

530
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: a certain style. It's like very photographic, and who knows,

531
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe there's never even been a submission, well not in

532
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: the style. Context of the previous of that article I

533
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: wrote was about our friend Ed Anderson, who who has

534
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: done some paintings and some collaborations with us before, and

535
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: his his style is very like kind of comic book,

536
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: like we did that shirt with him. The Tarpin that

537
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: would they ever put one of his ducks on a stamp,

538
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: So he's considered he's considered trying to submit something under

539
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: his under his style, and I don't know, but we

540
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: did talk about that because he was doing an art

541
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: The reason I did that article as he was doing

542
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: an artist in residency at the Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge.

543
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: So I was kind of comparing him to to Ding

544
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: Darling because ding was a, you know, a cartoonist first

545
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: and kind of a fine artist second. Um, So I

546
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: think that would be really cool, um and shake it

547
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: up a little bit, but I think it would probably

548
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: ruffle some feathers. If you do what Susan, that's your name, yep,

549
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: follows Susan, I would go down and I would have

550
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: the crazy ass is looking abstract duct just see what

551
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: happens some Picasso ship. Who knows, maybe it comes out

552
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: so a cool that you sell an extra half a

553
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: million next year. So let's get into you ready to

554
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: get into the your So now you throw back to Yanni,

555
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: go back to you. N Well yeah, well here let

556
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: me set them up real quick, because because they sell

557
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: one point five million a year, they think about one

558
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: million goes to hunters, but they think a lot of

559
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: hunters buy a lot more or well more more than

560
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: one um. But you know, other people by other people

561
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: do buy duck stamps, but it's certainly a smaller proportion.

562
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: But at least two thirds of the sons of bitches

563
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: are sold, at least two thirds. But you can't get

564
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: free access to National Wildlife refugees if if you have

565
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: a duck stamp, So there there is some incentive for

566
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: bird watchers to do it, but that small percentage of

567
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: people who buy duck stamps who are not hunters are

568
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: now upset about a change of the rules. Back to you, Joanni,

569
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Back to you, Yanni, Thanks Sam. That was great for me.

570
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: This is titilating because this is a lot of ship

571
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know about the refuge access. Yeah,

572
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: and he and I wouldn't have told you because I

573
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: don't know what told you, alright, So up until now

574
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I think that they basically we want just like, submit

575
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: us pictures of ducks, right, we're for the duck stamp. Well.

576
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: In May this year, the agency announced a new rule.

577
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: The artwork submitted to the contest must include hunting imagery

578
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: and so I don't think it's like all the whole

579
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: thirty of those people that are non hunters that are

580
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: now mad, but one probably ten of them. And uh,

581
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: their group is called at least ten Friends of Animals,

582
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: a dairy and based I don't even I don't know

583
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: where this town darre in Connecticut. It's like, dude, if

584
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: there's a place where a place called Friends of Animals

585
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be based and they're well funded, that's the place.

586
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: That place I've never been people with enough money to

587
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: get all that going as dairy in Connecticut. There you go.

588
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're saying that it's um, it's just

589
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: it's just going to alienate this third and so we're

590
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna actually lose a bunch of duck stamp sales, and

591
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: it's it's going like against you know, what this whole

592
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: thing is for. And so basically we're gonna lose money

593
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: for a critical habitat, lose money for the ducks themselves

594
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: because those people aren't buying one. Yeah, and he the leader,

595
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: the president, Scilla Ferrell is her last name. She says,

596
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: it's almost comical the desperate links the din dwindling hunting

597
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: industry is willing to go to make its clients feel relevant. Huh,

598
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: I see both sides. Why did they make a rule

599
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: that it has Like like, I'm happy they did, you know,

600
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: Like first, if I'm out the park a lot or whatever,

601
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: the guy comes up and goes there, he's a thousand bucks, right,

602
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm happy he gave me the thousand bucks.

603
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: But I just don't get why he gave me the

604
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: thousand bucks. Yeah, I don't see. I don't see any

605
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: hunters saying we want we want to be featured in

606
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: this state just to stick it to like why just

607
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: to be rabble rousers. Well, no, I think there's because

608
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: they want to say, hey, lest we forget the two

609
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: thirds of this billion dollars over the last six seventy years, no,

610
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: ninety years, lest we forget that it's two thirds of

611
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: it has come from hunters. Let's make sure and so

612
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I believe it this year's winner. There is a floating

613
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: duck call in the foregrounds cost or something. Yeah, I mean,

614
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: how do you drop center. I don't think it's Sam's

615
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna protest, and not by because he doesn't like it.

616
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: It's like I don't even have a Lanyard's it's what

617
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: it is, a little bit wedged in there. I mean,

618
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all about this. I appreciate what they're trying

619
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: to do, but it's just I feel like artistically it's

620
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit forced you to prefer just

621
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: like a flat out dead duck. I don't know, maybe

622
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: a blind in the background or somebody somebody out in

623
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: the ky back with a string of a sea duck

624
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: decoys or something like that. Now, it's always been those

625
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: beautiful like wings cupped, soaring coming in right at sunset,

626
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: probably after the legal shooting light right so you can't

627
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: shoot him anyways, But you could just change that from that,

628
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: just that beautiful wing stretched outlook to that one where

629
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: like it's just when he gets hit and he kind

630
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: of sometimes his wings, his head falls to the side

631
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: and he sort of has that like gravity is taking

632
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: over moment. They probably considered that one call and it's

633
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: kind of floating in the water. There were a lot

634
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: of details about this. The one that right here, oh

635
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: hold on a minute, is that it's supposed to be

636
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Speaker 1: a decoy or a real duck. Supposed to be a

637
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: real duck. Sam the Landard got hung up on those cantails.

638
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: Oh dang it, I was thinking or anything. It seems

639
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: like I do, I I do like it. I'm just

640
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: I'm just saying and like I'm a traditionalist incorporated hunting

641
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: into a picture better. Yeah, but yeah, it's like his

642
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: lanyards kind of tangled up in some cat tails. Maybe

643
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: from Armistice Day. M Oh yeah, it's like the day

644
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: the duck hunters died. It is. Yes, Spencer just wrote

645
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: an awesome article about that. What do you think about

646
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: all that? Is that that is what they're mad about.

647
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: They saw that and then got mad. Yeah government, No, No,

648
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: they're getting mad about the rule that all submissions now

649
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: have to include hunting in the imagery. I will I

650
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: just want to just that or every year. No, as

651
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: far as I understand it, just from the little research

652
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: that I did, it's going forward. I've got to imagine

653
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: that that will change back though, because these folks from Darien. No,

654
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: because the leadership of the Department of the Interior is

655
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: about to change, gonna get a lot less hunting friendly,

656
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: potentially potential tv D that means to be determined. I

657
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: was gonna talk about the drug ketamine. Do you ever

658
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: go into a khole. Yp oh, I have not. I

659
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: was gonna talking about the drug because you no, but

660
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: they use it on wildlife. And a guy wrote in

661
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good explanation of like how ketamine is used

662
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: and wildlife research and how a kademine is used recreationally

663
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: and how ketamine is used as a medical drug, and

664
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: he sent this chart about the more you take, how

665
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: you move from an analgesia? Am I saying that right? An?

666
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: I like how it goes from being an anal Jesus.

667
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: And I've never ever liked that word. No, it's not

668
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: a good word. I've never liked that word. It goes

669
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: from a pain reliever it. Yeah, but those things, dude,

670
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: you can't trust. Those things can't trump. No, It's like

671
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: an automated robot. It's like ask oh, I got a

672
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: great Yanni story for you. So you know, everybody thinks Joannice,

673
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: his name is Janice. This is hilarious. So yeah, it's

674
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: got this big ship when the shrimp tails from our

675
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: buddy Greg. Oh, I haven't even heard this one. Yeah yeah,

676
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: so but Greg's like, does somehow Jannice this big ship

677
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: and the shrimp tails is showing up at the airport

678
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: free and the honest is supposed to go down and

679
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: pick up his frolls and shrimp tails, but he's out

680
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: of town. So I'm like, ship, I rag get the

681
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: shrimp tails, but I can't. I can't member why I couldn't.

682
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: I had some reason I couldn't get the shrimp tails.

683
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: So Kylie, I'm like, Kylie, can you go pick up

684
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: yannie shrimp tails? He's out of town. So Kylie goes

685
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: down there and walks in to get the shrimp tails.

686
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: Guts firsting out of the woman's mouth. You must be this,

687
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: she smiled, nodded, and took the box on much much

688
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: smaller spot prawns than we're used to catching any dark

689
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: colored like. They weren't cleaned properly. Did you notice that

690
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: when you thaw them? Have you eaten any yet? They

691
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: have iodine color to them. That's I don't see on

692
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: the big dogs. You don't think that's because they're very eggy.

693
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I feel like that year that we caught all the

694
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: egg laden ones, they were more like this. These tails

695
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: didn't have any eggs on them. Oh no, like more

696
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: than the ones I had as Yeah, I've only eaten

697
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: one bag of years. We ate two bags. They're not mine.

698
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: They sent him to both of us. I handed a

699
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: couple out to some co workers too. Uh yeah, as

700
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: you up this ketamine dose, you go into a dissociate,

701
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: dissociated state. But I'm not gonna cover that because we're

702
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: gonna get into something else. Uh Okay, this is why

703
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: people I want you to know. As you're sitting in here. Um,

704
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: so far, it's been pretty typical covered the kind of

705
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: stuff we normally cover. Here, You're gonna see a wild

706
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: deviation in what way we're gonna talk about the thing

707
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: we wouldn't normally talk about. We've only done this once before.

708
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: We've done a book dedicated podcast before twice. Yeah, because

709
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: you and I you know, have actually maybe done this

710
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: might be our fourth. Because I believe we don't did

711
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: one each for the guide books, and we definitely did

712
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: one for the cookbook. I don't think if we had,

713
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't think we did. Back you and I. I

714
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: think I flew to Seattle and it was in your

715
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: first house in Seattle, and we were in some crazy

716
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: little high up office, like you had some office on

717
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: the third floor of this old house and we were

718
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: tucked in there. It had like a slanted ceiling and

719
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: we're tucked in there, and yeah, we probably barely knew

720
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: each other, but we went through the first guide book

721
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: True story, all right, So it's a little more typical

722
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: than that thought. A little more typical I thought. So

723
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: never mind all that. So a very typical episode for

724
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: us here where we talk about a new book release

725
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: that we have out. I want to I want to

726
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: start out with a quick story. The last time we

727
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: did this, we did we had an episode a couple

728
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: of years ago which was called Begging and Pleading. This

729
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: might we might call this episode Begging and Pleading re

730
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Dux Part two, UM one or the other. Begging and

731
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: Pleading was an episode dedicated to our cookbook that we did.

732
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: That was what you guys, you you listeners out there

733
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: came out in such full fledged support of us after

734
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: begging and pleading that all of the cookbooks that existed

735
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: sold before the book was released. Now here's an interesting story.

736
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: It has been Honestna, honest, gonna come out and Titus,

737
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: you can dislike me or whatever, but I'm gonna tell

738
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: you like I want to have like like I would

739
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: like to have a book that was on the new

740
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: York Times best Seller List. Real, real, bad, total vanity bullshit.

741
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: But that's just my dream and hope you guys bought

742
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: so many copies of the cookbook. After begging and pleading

743
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: that all the cookbooks that were in existence were sold

744
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: before publication date, you all went and bought them on

745
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: Amazon dot Com because Amazon had made a sizeable order. Now,

746
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: I know, as a point, like the New York Times

747
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: best seller List looks at how many books were sold

748
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: into in a certain week. However, all of your pre

749
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: orders count during your first week, so you might have

750
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: a book be for sale for three months before it's

751
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: released date. The release date on our new book, which

752
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: is called The Mediator Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival,

753
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: has a December one release date. You could already go

754
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: order it right now. On December one, all the pre

755
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: orders hit, and then you have the seven days after,

756
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: and that all counts for your New York Times bestseller list. Thing.

757
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: What happened with the cookbook is all the copies in

758
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: existence all sold through Amazon, and Amazon is historically been

759
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: in like a piston match with the New York Times,

760
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: where the New York Times won't accept Amazon's sales figures independently.

761
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: They need to see it verify because they don't want

762
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: someone like a single company being able to bullshit them

763
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: or have their numbers wrong and report a number and

764
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: then that goes down the list and they can't independently

765
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: verify it through some formula where you look at how

766
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: it's sold in other markets. Because all of our books

767
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: sold and they had to wait for a reprint, no

768
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: books sold in other markets. I know as a point

769
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: of fact, because my publisher had the umber six book

770
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: on the New York Times in our category are same

771
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: publisher had the number six book that week, and they

772
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: told us that we sold thousands more copies than the

773
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: number six book on the New York Times bestseller list,

774
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: but they didn't count us because it all sold to Amazon.

775
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: That's in bullshit. It's just how it is. I have

776
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: been mad about it ten times already. So have they

777
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: resolved it though? As Amazon like counted now or no,

778
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: they won't count it. They can't. What they're trying to

779
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: prevent two is someone buying their own book onto the

780
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: best seller list, which people have actually successfully done, like

781
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: certain categories. I don't want to spend too much time

782
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: on this ship there are certain categories of books where

783
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: like a like a surprisingly low number, we'll land you

784
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: on the list. There have been people that are just

785
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, well funded individuals who could go on and

786
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: do these big bulk orders or have like a bunch

787
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: of their friends do a maximum you can you can

788
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: game the system. So they have this way to try

789
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: to build in where that kind of thing isn't happening,

790
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: and so they want to see, um, they want to

791
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: see that the book is doing well in a variety

792
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: of marketplaces, to the point where this is like kind

793
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: of some weird dirtiness about the list, to the point

794
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: where there are certain independent bookstores, say where on the

795
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: New York Times list will value their sales two x.

796
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: It's some weird ask. It is not like what books

797
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: sold the most. It's like an account for the way

798
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: book buying has changed. Either That's what I'm saying. But

799
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: you imagine you got place like that. You know that,

800
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: like there's like a hostility towards the big man, big

801
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: man being Amazon. So all that is meant to say,

802
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: as we sell you on this book over the next

803
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: little bit here, We're gonna spend thirty minutes selling you

804
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: on this book. As we sell you on this book,

805
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't really don't. I don't care where you buy

806
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: the damn thing. I want you to have the most

807
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: frictional lists interaction possible. But if a little party you,

808
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: a little tac party you says you know what, I'm

809
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna call up Billy's Books down on Main Street and

810
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: order my copy through Billy, I won't be upset. Neither

811
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: will Billy. Oh always good to support small businesses. Yeah,

812
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: you need to call that old Bill if you're on

813
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: a first name name bail. Like I said, I want,

814
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: I think people should have a frictionless buying experience. There

815
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: is indisputably a lack of friction and that's in an

816
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: Amazon sale. And by god, if that's that's how you

817
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: want to buy the book, buy the book that way.

818
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: The main things you buy the damn book just as

819
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: a favorite to me. Secondarily, if you can make some

820
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: purchases through you know, buy that one, then go buy

821
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: some more through other places, just in order to um.

822
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: It's just simply this. It's simply just to make me

823
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: have the happiest day of my damn life outside of

824
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: my kids being born, um, by having one of our

825
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: books go on that damn list. Think about nice hunting

826
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: friendly company represented on that list. What that category do

827
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: we fall under? Remember the name? I should know that

828
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: you mean the book category. I don't know which nonfiction category.

829
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd be on general on Amazon

830
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: to Yeah, it falls under a couple of different games. Well, yeah,

831
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: we made every other like our cook book made every

832
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: other best seller list on the freaking planet, but not

833
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: the one that anyone pays attention. Not a science I

834
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: don't want to dis other best sellers, just like a

835
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: certain cash, a undeniable cash, A that's the one that

836
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: everybody cares about. Oh my god, I could just taste it. Well,

837
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: probably we might make a T shirt that's a big

838
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: red stamp on it, says New York Times bestseller. That's

839
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: a great idea, just one right now, wearing our new

840
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: our newest T shirt with a big old fashioned double

841
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: long spring on it. Trapping shirt. Were you inspired to

842
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: make that shirt after our visit down to uh, Jean

843
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: the antler Man kind of Jim Jim? I think it

844
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: was Jim Phillips. Oh, sorry, go ahead, I don't know.

845
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: I'll just trying to help you on with the name

846
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: thank you. Uh, okay, a little bit about the book.

847
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: We're gon we're gonna try it. We're gonna do this,

848
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: try to do this in a painless fashion for y'all.

849
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: But it would be after working on the book for years,

850
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: um and a lot of people in the room. What

851
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: it got. A lot of the pride, the primary uh

852
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: folks were in the room, excluding why pe you didn't

853
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: he didn't do shipped for the book. I didn't do anything,

854
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: like nothing, didn't even contribute like a nothing. But maybe

855
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: he will with a blurb here later. It's too late

856
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: for the book. So oh, you'll notice in the dedication.

857
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to point out the type. On the dedication,

858
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: someone changed dirt Myth's name to Dirty Myth, which I'll

859
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: never you can't change. It has got to stay that

860
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: way forever. That it's the only mistake I've found. So

861
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: the book is called again. The book is called The

862
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: Meater Guide the Wilderness Skills and Survival. It is how

863
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: many pages long? For counting, the index is four five

864
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: pages long. Let me tell about why this book exists.

865
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: I feel as though the you'll notice that, like in

866
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: the name, wilderness skills precedes survival, right so like the

867
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: me Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival, I feel

868
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: as though the survival the survival genre has been kind

869
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: of tainted in recent decades, maybe by sort of like

870
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: fantastic estical television portrayals of survival situations that create this

871
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: idea that nature, that wilderness are these like horribly dangerous places. Um,

872
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: you best get out of there in a hurry before

873
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: something bad happens to you. Uh, and you know, just

874
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: always you're able to drink your peat um and everybody's

875
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. I view this book as being a,

876
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, an antidote to that and resetting Wilderness Skills

877
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: and Survival to a position where it is very well thought, moderate,

878
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: highly skilled information sets that are passed along to you

879
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: in order that you will feel more functional, capable, comfortable

880
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: in the outdoors, whether you're a professional who works in

881
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: the outdoors, whether you're someone who's taking their kids out camping,

882
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: whether you're just getting into hiking and you're gonna go

883
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: visit a string of national parks, whatever, that you will

884
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: go into the woods with competency and you will understand

885
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: the equipment and skill sets and mindsets involved in all

886
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: forms of wilderness travel from like basic recreational too advanced stuff.

887
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: It is not a book that's like meant to be

888
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: full of crazy cockamami bullshit. In fact, the original title,

889
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: working title, yeah, was the No Bullshit Guide the Wilderness

890
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: Skills and Survival. Uh. That's the book. And we worked

891
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: on it. Um. The folks in this room, Brody Sam

892
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: Spencer did work on it. Y'all need to work on

893
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of other people to work on it. We

894
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: collaborated with emergency room doctors of her guides, all kinds

895
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, mountaineers, consulted with and put together

896
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: a collection of um information that I am very proud

897
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: of to see bound together in a book. And what

898
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna do here is kind of walk through what

899
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: you'll find in here in order to give people a

900
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: better sense of what's going on. So I'll start up

901
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: by talking about the introduction real quick, which is called

902
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: The Surprising Dangers of Some Moors. And one of the

903
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: things begin in this book and try to like a

904
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: theme throughout, is that a big part of wilderness travel

905
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: and wilderness skill and even even like a survival mentality

906
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: is being realistic about risk and threats. I think that

907
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: it's easy to have. It's easy to get um preoccupied

908
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: with the idea that you're gonna get mauled up by

909
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: a mountain lion in um and you lose sight of

910
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: what actually happens to people. And one of the things

911
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: we found our research that was really surprising is that

912
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: depending on who you go to, so like groups that

913
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: keep track, like wilderness groups that that field people out

914
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: in the wilderness, and they keep track of what things

915
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: like over the course of decades, what things are leading

916
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: causes of wilderness evacuations, simple strains and sprains and cooking accidents,

917
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: like when you go out in the woods, you have

918
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: a far greater chance of just burning the ship out

919
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: of your hand on a camp stove. Did you hear

920
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: Garrett Smith's story? Not the one we poked his eye

921
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: out with a pine needle. Not that one. Yeah, that

922
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: one required some skills that could be found in this book,

923
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: But no, exactly that like a five six day trip.

924
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember what river in Montana. Garrett's a big kayaker,

925
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: and uh, he's got a full pot full. What's that

926
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: new stove we like so much now? The MSR reactor

927
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: boiling hot water and he goes to grab it and

928
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: it kind of slips and half that water goes on

929
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: to the top of his hand. And he just said

930
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: for two months it was just blistered and puffy, and

931
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: they were only like it was like their first or

932
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: second night in so he had had like three days

933
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: ahead of him out in the sun gripping a kayak

934
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: paddle and having to paddle with that wound. I saw

935
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: a bad one of the yeah, one of the worst

936
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: back country injuries. I saw. It was someone where he

937
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: had an alcohol stove and it's super bright out in

938
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the day and it's hard to see

939
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: that flame. The flame is blue at NiFe and the daytime,

940
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: it's very hard to see the flame. They thought the

941
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: soap had run out because he couldn't see the flame

942
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: and went to free poor alcohol into the stove and

943
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: that huge, nasty blissed a hand burn also on a

944
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: river trip and there's just nowhere getting I mean, you're

945
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: just there. I mean you could have like really really

946
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: pulled the cord on the whole thing. So no, because

947
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: that back then we didn't have like sad phones and

948
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: in reach devices, which we cover heavily in this book. Uh,

949
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: surprising Dangerous Moores. Then we get into the next thing.

950
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: We get into and Yani's gonna do a second book report,

951
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: your your book reporting on this one. Yeah book report. Uh,

952
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: you guys gonna breakdown what to pack and wear, like

953
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: how this chapter works. And the introduction Steve that you

954
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: just mentioned doesn't count towards the page count, so you

955
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: actually get like those six pages for free you buy.

956
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: Do they do that? Can I tell you one quickly?

957
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Tell me why an introduction isn't countered doesn't start on

958
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: page one? I don't really know. That's odd. I'll tell

959
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: you a little book thing. I do know. There's a

960
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: title page, like a lot of books have a title page,

961
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: Like if you go to this book, you hit a

962
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: page or says the me Eater guy to Wilderness Skills

963
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: and survival. But it's just that. And then you go

964
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: to the next page and it has the author and publisher.

965
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: They called this page the bastard page. And if you have,

966
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like an antique book that's been signed by the author,

967
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: it's preferable that has been signed by the author not

968
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: on the bastard page, but on the page that shows

969
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: it's it's lineage, meaning the publisher. There's the thing I

970
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: want to mention about the introduction. The introduction I tell

971
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: I kind of kick off the book by talking about Yeah,

972
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: I think, Yeahni was here. We're up in the Yukon

973
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: Charlie's Rivers Preserve one time and we flew over the

974
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: wreckage of a plane that went down during World War

975
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: Two and it was one of the guys on the

976
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: plane was this dude, Leon Crane. Everybody died in it

977
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: was an experimental flight in the forties. Everybody died in

978
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: the plane except Leon Crane. And it talks about what

979
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: Leon Crane did. He was it took him months, nineties

980
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: some days. He was stranded in the middle of the

981
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: winter east of Fairbanks negative twenty and what he did

982
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: for those ninety days and the kind of things that

983
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: uh he tried in the calculations that he made. And

984
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: I get into like why did that dude? Like what

985
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: was it about that guy that knew? Like he just

986
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: didn't make any mistakes And you remember flying over that wreckage.

987
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: So I talked about I kick off. I talked about

988
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: my brother Danny, who lives in Alaska and works out

989
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: a single engine aircraft. He he's he believes in like

990
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: getting up and getting down, like you don't fly around

991
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: extra ship. But what's kind of ironic is I remember

992
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: we kind of flew out of our way a little

993
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: bit to go look at that wreckage, which violates the

994
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: get up, get down principle. But I started by talking

995
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: about that guy and then some other ship. But then

996
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: uh Ni lay out what people will find and what

997
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: to pack and were I will. But first I'd like

998
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: to point out that I had a before this book

999
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I think was even really had its inception. There was

1000
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: like a time when we had maybe three or four,

1001
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: maybe half a dozen ideas of like what's the next

1002
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: book project going to be that we're gonna work on.

1003
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on a plane and chatting with a

1004
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: lady and she's asked me about what I did. I

1005
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: was telling her about whatever adventure we were going to

1006
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: be on or we had just finished, and she said,

1007
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, that's really a night like way, like not

1008
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: even kind of I think something I would do. She's like,

1009
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: I need like help just kind of just like going

1010
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: to like the nearest lake, whether there might be like

1011
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: a half a mile or a mile hike to it,

1012
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: and maybe a little hike around the lake and then

1013
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: getting back to my car in a matter of like

1014
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: a couple of hours. She's like that intimidates me, and

1015
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: I think we had a conversation soon after about, like,

1016
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's important we make projects like this that

1017
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: we really because the vast majority of people out there

1018
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: don't have our skill set, maybe not even half of it,

1019
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: might be more like a small percentage of our skill set,

1020
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: and they are looking for just the basics to know that, yes,

1021
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable and confident to go to that lake. It's

1022
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: a mile away, it's a big trail going to it,

1023
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't like you And I just don't think

1024
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: that would be intimidating scary to just like be that

1025
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: far away from your car for a matter of hours

1026
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: and then come back. We're used to weeks at a time.

1027
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: But I think that this book speaks to that person.

1028
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: So you don't have to be Joe Hunter, Joe mountaineer.

1029
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking into getting into back country skiing to get

1030
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: valuable information here. It can you can totally be a

1031
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: city dweller or the person you're buying it for. It

1032
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: can be a city dweller that's looking to get out

1033
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: for the weekend for like a day hike and be like, yeah,

1034
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: I read this. There's a lot of stuff. It's like

1035
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: beyond me, but there's like I know exactly what's in

1036
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: my pack, and if I happen to have some stupid

1037
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: accident out there at the lake, I'm covered. Right. That

1038
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: was great. I feel like Yanni's trying to get a

1039
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: job at the QVC channel. Man was a phenomenal salesmanship.

1040
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: I had to make up after my poor book show

1041
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: and just started out, started out, I caught you by surprise.

1042
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he really saved it. And now he's got

1043
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: to back up. At the top of the chapter one

1044
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: is what to pack and where? And um, you start

1045
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: off with the story of you and your brother is

1046
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: going dollar sheep hunting and sort of trying to weigh,

1047
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, what's too much and what's too little, and

1048
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: trying to find that compromise where when you're in the middle,

1049
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: you're like, you're getting the experience of being out in

1050
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: the wild, but you're also safe, right, so you don't

1051
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: want to go out there and just have so much

1052
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: stuff and be burdened by everything that you're carrying around.

1053
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: And then you really have your experience. Isn't that much

1054
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: different than if you were to have lunch at home

1055
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: in your backyard, right, But having enough that again rainshower

1056
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: comes along, you don't get soaked and get cold and

1057
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: have a miserable time. Yeah, versus being like so minimalist

1058
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: that you're vulnerable, Like you're so minimalist that you're great

1059
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: as long as things go real well and the weather

1060
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: stays a certain way and and one thing to the next. Yeah,

1061
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: so bait and and what's cool is that you have

1062
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: a just like we did in the guide books. We

1063
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: had a lot of outside experts way in. And I

1064
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: believe that in this chapter, I saw that Rendy Warren

1065
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: weighs in and Brad Brooks anybody else Brody and that

1066
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: chapter I think that's about it. Yeah, but they kind

1067
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: of they kind of talk about both there and the

1068
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: spectrum there, like this ultra light guy and the guy

1069
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't mind carrying a little bit more gear to

1070
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: have it um. I want to point out something real

1071
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: quick about kind of how it flows. So a part

1072
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: of it flows like the survival kits overview, a basic

1073
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: survival kit which gets into your basic like how to

1074
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: build a basic med survive a kit, then a big

1075
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: list of ship that's called extra ship for your basic kit,

1076
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: and then you get into the official Ocean Jury rig Kit,

1077
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: which is like more advanced. And I want to point

1078
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: out that the book kind of flows like that in general,

1079
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: where things start out in every chapter starts out like

1080
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: everything is great, Like, for instance, water starts out like

1081
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: if your car caping, how much water do you bring

1082
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: per person per day? And what does that get you?

1083
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: Ends with how to source water when in the absence

1084
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: of surface water? So every chapter flows like everything is

1085
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: perfect too. Oh, and that's the general path through. There's

1086
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I think that in here that

1087
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: you'll find and probably a lot of other like minded books,

1088
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: Like they's just stuff that you can't not talk about,

1089
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: like how to um, what's the system called we use

1090
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: the tarp in the hole in the ground to get water,

1091
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: Like that's a legit thing to do, right, that's in

1092
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: in a upcoming chapter. But but I like here, like

1093
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: in this one instance, it's like the the extra stuff

1094
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: that you guys want to think about to add Like

1095
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: we're in the what pack and were chapter, but you

1096
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: guys did like an extra part for like specifically kids

1097
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: right like, it's it's different. You gotta think about it.

1098
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: Kids get wet somehow when it's like nine degrees outside,

1099
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: you're in the desert, and somehow sons of bitches are

1100
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: soaked to the bone. You know. Uh. We one time

1101
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: took our kids. We're up in Alaska, and I was

1102
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: advocating not bringing a lot of clothes for the kids

1103
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: because I was like, they'll just wear him dry, like

1104
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was like you and our kid

1105
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: right away wades out into the water. He's two wads,

1106
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: wades out into the water. So he's now he's soaked

1107
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: up to his waist and I'm like, well, yeah, but

1108
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: he'll just have to wear him dry. And my wife's like,

1109
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: well he also shipped his pants out there. You can't

1110
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: wear that dry wearing anything trying south the hard but

1111
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: when you got a dump in your pants, oh um, yeah,

1112
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have too much else to say

1113
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: about the chapter. I think that you should buy the

1114
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: book and read and see what all is in there.

1115
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: There even includes and and and and uh. We had um.

1116
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: We made sure to go in and have a female

1117
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: contributor tackle this one, but we got one called mountaineering

1118
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: tricks for saggy under things, and it's a it's information

1119
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: on sports bros. There you go. Steve Lays had a

1120
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: nice detailed packing and unpacking system in there, which I

1121
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: think is pretty valuable because a lot of people just

1122
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of throw their ship and in a backpack and go.

1123
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: There's a condemnation of metal wedding rings, recover packs, knives, tools, shovels,

1124
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Oh and we also have

1125
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: in every chapter like tips section, And that's when you're

1126
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: writing a book. A lot of times you end up

1127
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of extra stuff you wanted to talk about,

1128
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: but you can't make it fit nice um and in

1129
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: in narrative uh, in narrative nonfiction or novels and stuff

1130
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: you just want up you can't do it, like there's

1131
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: no way to do it. But in a book like this,

1132
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: you just have a thing called like extra stuff and

1133
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: then you just pile in all the stuff that you

1134
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: couldn't make fit normally. It's a way to do it

1135
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: real efficiently, to like just lay it out there quick

1136
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: and really why first chapter covered pretty well. I think

1137
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: it's good, and it from somebody who didn't write this book.

1138
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: So I can be an outside of perspective. I think

1139
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: it's important too that like a lot of people could

1140
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: be disassociated when they think the only time you need

1141
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 1: this is like, oh, you're in a plane crash or something.

1142
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: But what Y'ahanni's saying to where it's like it could

1143
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: be as simple as going the wrong way on the trail,

1144
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: and then you need some of these skills where it's

1145
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: like very accessible, you know what I mean. For me,

1146
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: that's like huge because it's like I could I could

1147
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: gain abilities that I might not have had just from reading.

1148
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: And it's it doesn't have to be some crazy scenario.

1149
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: It could be like everyday stuff. You know, did we

1150
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: pay you anything to be here? No? But I'm serious

1151
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: because that's true though a lot of times you're like

1152
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: if I tried to tell my fiance like, hey, this

1153
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: guy was in you know, the Sahara and his plane crash,

1154
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: she's already tuned me out. If it's like, hey, we're hiking,

1155
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: she tuned me out when I started talking. But it's

1156
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: like if you're just hiking, that happened to me like

1157
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, we're on mountains. I started like, yeah,

1158
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: this is the way We ran into these bird watching

1159
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: guys that were like up on this survey, who were like,

1160
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: what the hell are you guys doing out here? I

1161
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: was taking us across this ridge that was headed into

1162
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: like nowhere. These are skills I could have used if

1163
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: I didn't run into those guys or so I would

1164
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: have been screwed. We didn't pay you, But it would

1165
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: be awkward if you said, like this is stupid. Yeah,

1166
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: you know what, guys six out of ten, I don't

1167
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: know by it. Maybe that'd be weird. No, man, day

1168
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: hikers get lost and injured all the time. My niece

1169
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: lives in the Pacific Northwest, and she was out on

1170
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: a hike and busted her leg and spent the night

1171
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: overnight until some and came by. You know, just just

1172
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: this past year about the elk hunter in Colorado that's

1173
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: got super lost. They only found him because they decided

1174
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: on a whim to go to area where he wasn't

1175
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: supposed to even have gone into. No, I didn't hear

1176
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: this story, all right, Sam, Sam's gonna cover a cult

1177
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: before us that he worked very hard on. Yeah, well,

1178
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: I did uh water and food which sounds very simple

1179
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: on the outset, and got real complicated on me real quick.

1180
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: But um, you know if we felt like water was

1181
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: you know first and foremost after you know what you bring,

1182
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: what you wear because you know it's the the elixir

1183
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: of life. Um. And so first of all, we talked

1184
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: about you know, how much water you need? I mean,

1185
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the biggest problems that people run into,

1186
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: is not bringing enough water or not knowing how to

1187
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: obtain water or or or or how to how to

1188
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: know what water you can trust. Uh. So we start

1189
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: off with with how much how much water you need

1190
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: basically you know, for a day to to to live

1191
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: and sit in an office or your couch downstairs. But um,

1192
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting into how how that ramps up exponentially

1193
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: once you're outside doing stuff. Um. And and we we go,

1194
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: we go into the math of how how you know

1195
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: how much you need because you know, there's a lot

1196
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of days hunting this time of

1197
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: year where it's cold and you're doing a lot of sitting,

1198
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: and you know, bring analogy with you for is is

1199
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: probably gonna suffice for a day, but then earlier in

1200
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: the season when it's seventy five degrees Um, you know,

1201
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: so you can, you can bring you can bring four

1202
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: liters sometimes and be down to the bottom by the

1203
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: end of the day. Uh, I have information on how

1204
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: to trick yourself into drinking, which is my problem. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

1205
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: it's nice to have some tricks to, uh just get

1206
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: more liquids in and spice it up a little bit,

1207
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: because it can be a little boring to drink nothing

1208
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: but water. For if it's like below freezing. I'll go

1209
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: a day and look at my water bottle and I

1210
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: do that too, but then like the next day, I'm

1211
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm all sore and cramp it up and stuff, and

1212
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: it's because you don't drink. One of my one of

1213
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: my favorite pieces we wrote about this is the highly

1214
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: divisive subject of water bladders. I'm a I'm a camel

1215
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: back guy, always have been, um, but I know I'm

1216
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: among a minority here with my colleagues as a as

1217
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: a camel back dude. And I don't do it all

1218
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: year because you run into problems once it starts getting cold.

1219
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: But I love having it so available. I just drink

1220
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: so much more water when when it's just like right

1221
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: there and you don't have to dig it dig the

1222
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: water bottle out of your pack when you're stopped and

1223
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: you can you can eat drink it on the on

1224
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: the run. But yeah, we we discuss all the different

1225
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: ways to carry your water. But then we get into

1226
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,440
Speaker 1: the fun stuff that Steve has a lot more experience

1227
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: with than I do. But need need little words like

1228
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: gar dias giardias is gearediass isn't I butchered that cryptosporidium

1229
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: nailed it. Um as sharisia cool I e coal I

1230
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: to most people. But you know this the ship you

1231
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: can get from drinking unfiltered water. And uh, you know

1232
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: many of us have have just sipped out of a

1233
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: creek before. I mean I remember going on a three

1234
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: day hiking trip and that's all I did because I

1235
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: forgot my water filter. Um didn't. I didn't feel great afterwards.

1236
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: But we go in go real deep into water filters.

1237
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ones in the market, a

1238
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: lot of different um yeah, pros and cons and UV

1239
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: pens or stay pens, pros and cons on ceramic filters,

1240
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: pros and cons on gravity fed filters, absolutely sunlight boiling. Yeah,

1241
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: and we go we go all into where you where

1242
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: you find water because that can be a really tricky

1243
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: thing too, especially if you don't have a filter where

1244
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: where you can find water you might be able to trust.

1245
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's where you know, we differentiate a

1246
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: little bit here from some other similar books, is that

1247
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: you know this is this is like you can you

1248
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: can drink unfiltered water if you have to. You're not

1249
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: necessarily going to die. It's maybe not a good idea,

1250
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: but you know that these things are available to you,

1251
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: and they're they're there are ways. There are other ways

1252
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: to to get clean water or make clean water. Um,

1253
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: if you don't have a filter, including you know, like

1254
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: we said, solar still transpiration bag, you can you can

1255
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: even use u V. I I didn't know this, but

1256
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: in Africa they use uv to filter their water all

1257
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: the time. They just use plastic waters and leave it

1258
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: out in the sun for a few days. It's clean.

1259
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hot, but you know it's it's gonna

1260
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: be clean. Uh So yeah, I mean water is important

1261
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: as anything when you're out doing this kind of stuff.

1262
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: One of the things we get into it too, is

1263
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: like the science of how to rash and water, So

1264
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: like what when you have limited water, how do you

1265
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: parse it out? Spencer. We've covered this for on the podcast,

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: but Spencer covers in the book, um, why not to

1267
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: drink your pa oh, and in real quick tells some

1268
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: other like we like don't like, we try not to

1269
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: give a bunch of bullshit, but some things, there's some

1270
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: bullshitty things are so pervasive that we actually had a

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01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: touch on them. So especially, do you mind hitting on

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01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: a couple of things we had to touch on. Yes,

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01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: So we we had like, uh, I don't know, five

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: or six sidebars in the book, maybe one for each

1275
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: chapter on sort of things that are really prevalent thinking,

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: um that we basically said bullshit on, you know, like

1277
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: moss only grows on the north side of a tree,

1278
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: or you should uh be drinking your urine, or that

1279
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: men's stuating women are more likely to be attacked by bears,

1280
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um. My favorite sidebar that

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01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: we covered was in the last chapter, I think on

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01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: the the medical part, um basically looking at some really

1283
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: popular movie tropes like cowboy cauterization, which I don't know

1284
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: if that's like the universal term, but that's what we've

1285
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: been referring to it as Like in Rambo three, Rambo

1286
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: finds himself in a very familiar situation. He is injured,

1287
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: he's alone, and he's shirtless, and he's got he's got

1288
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: a wicked wound in his abdomen. He pulls out a

1289
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: piece of shrakt stick didn't he I don't know, I

1290
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: don't know. That cannot be it. He pulls out a

1291
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: piece of shrapness at the size of his pinky from

1292
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: his abdomen. He then fills it with gunpowder and lights

1293
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: it on fire. And there's this like he's in a cave,

1294
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: of course, and it's painful to him. Yeah, and it

1295
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 1: lights up the whole cave and he passes painful, Yeah,

1296
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: and uh, he staves off infection and he goes on

1297
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: in the movie. I put this in our original draft.

1298
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: He didn't make it in the book about how he

1299
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: finishes the movie because it's just so badass, like how

1300
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: many people he killed? Well, and no, like the series

1301
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 1: of events afterwards. He goes on to steal a helicopter,

1302
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: crashes that helicopter. He then steals a tank, crashes the

1303
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: tank into a helicopter, and then saves a a all

1304
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: because he was able to do this cowboy cauterization. Now

1305
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: we talked to uh Dr. Alan Lazzaro said, you absolutely

1306
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: should not do that. An emergency room physician who we

1307
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: consulted with heavily in the book, Yep, he did not

1308
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: caught her eyes with gunpowder. Yeah, they said, those are

1309
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: very very fine instruments that are like going on exact

1310
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: spots on your skin. If you do this cowboy cauterization

1311
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: where you're lighting your stomach on fire doing some self arson,

1312
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: you're like taking one step forward by stopping the bleeding,

1313
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: but five steps back you know, have through degree burns.

1314
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,839
Speaker 1: You're going to get infected. Even worse, you have dead tissue.

1315
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: It's just a really bad idea. And and even aside

1316
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: from from adding gunpowder, I mean I feel like there's

1317
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: John Wayne or you know old Westerns where they would

1318
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: like get a knife hot and in a fire and

1319
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: then then press it to the to the wound to

1320
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: to cauterize it seal up stop the bleeding. And it's

1321
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: also very very bad idea. Yeah. I think could be

1322
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: gist of sensors pieces don't do ship you see and move. Yeah,

1323
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: the other one is sucking snake venom. Right, this is

1324
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: very common Western trope. Um. I think the first example

1325
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: I found was from nineteen seven, in a novel called

1326
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: The Pearl, A mother sucks scorpion venom from a baby.

1327
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: That was just all the way uptien red Dead Redemption

1328
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: to a video game, the main character sucks cotton mouth

1329
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: venom from a stranger. This it's very common. This has

1330
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: been told of all. Yes, that's a good one happens there.

1331
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: That was like the first example I could find of this.

1332
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: So what, what's what? What's the story there? Tell people?

1333
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: The story typically the heroin stumbles upon somebody who's been

1334
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: bitten by a snake. They then get out their oversized

1335
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: knife um cut an x in it rapid turnikin above

1336
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: the snake wound too. I don't know why I prevented

1337
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: from spreading further in the body. Maybe that's the idea.

1338
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: And then they suck the venom out of the wound,

1339
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: really furiously spit that venom out right like like like dirt.

1340
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: Myth yep uh. The reality is you absolutely should not

1341
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: do that. The venom spreads so fast that there's no

1342
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: like getting the horse back in the barn. You're also like, say,

1343
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: this is a second party assisting you in this, You're

1344
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: just risking them then getting the venom in themselves as well.

1345
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do it um And I've seen this sort

1346
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: of thing like these sort of this stuff is so prevalent,

1347
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: like I said before, that it's just like accepted, that's

1348
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: what you do. When I was in high school, I

1349
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: was working for a number of different farmers in the area.

1350
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: One guy did exclusively pigs, and we before shipping the

1351
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: pigs out, I think, to prevent shipping fever, which is

1352
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: just pneumonia, we would vaccinate the pigs with penicillin. And

1353
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: it's this really really chaotic scene when this is happening.

1354
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: It's too man job. One guy is in the stall

1355
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 1: that's probably the size of this room with dozens of pigs,

1356
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: the other guys running a gate letting the pigs in

1357
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: and out, and like if you imagine getting vaccinated like

1358
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: a toddler, it's a very delicate process, right where they

1359
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: stick the needle in and whatever. It's a very delicate thing.

1360
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 1: That's not the case with giving pigs penicillin. There's a

1361
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: big lot of stabbing going on. And once you vaccinate

1362
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: one of the pigs and the hip you spray paint

1363
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: them so you mark that you know this one's been done, right,

1364
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot of chaos and the pigs,

1365
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: the pig squill, etcetera. The one guy I was with

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: and we were doing this something like that, but times

1367
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: times of thousand, times a thousand, the pigs are running

1368
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: there in between your legs stiff. The one guy was

1369
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: with swung down, he missed a pig, and he stabbed

1370
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: himself in the thigh and injected all in one motion,

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01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: stuck himself inject himself with the penicillin. Whatever. We go

1372
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: out and the farm hand calls the farmer and he

1373
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: explains to him what happened. On one hand, right, he

1374
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: had stuck himself with penicillin, which is like, is that

1375
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: an antibiotic? So you stuck yourself with penision. On the

1376
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: other hand, this needle had been in hundreds of pigs,

1377
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: and this was peak swine flew time. Um. I was

1378
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: a junior in high school in two thousand nine, so

1379
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: that was like top of mind as well. He calls

1380
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: the farmer and he tells him what happens. Philip was

1381
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: the farm hand. Fred was a farmer. Philip tells Fred

1382
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: what happened, and there's a long pause and Fred thinks

1383
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: about it and he says, well, Philip, did you try

1384
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,919
Speaker 1: to suck it out? As if that was a solution.

1385
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: So it's just prevalent stuff like that that makes it

1386
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: into you know, the psyche of everybody, and it's just

1387
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: like a solution to a problem. But it's not. Uh,

1388
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: And we don't just curse the darkness. We light a

1389
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: candle about telling you what you do do when he

1390
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: gets stung by a snake, zapped whatever you call it

1391
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: by a snake, and what you do do when you

1392
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: have a chump of shrapnel or bullet in you. So

1393
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: it's not all this negative Nancy. That's right. When Rambo

1394
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: had that wound, he should have been lighting himself on fire.

1395
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: He should have taking his headband out of his luscious

1396
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: locks and he used as a tourniquet. That would have

1397
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: been much more simple, much more effective. Uh, you're just

1398
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: saying something. Maybe you want to say something. I don't know,

1399
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 1: talking about food, Sam, I'll talk about food. Steve. Well,

1400
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: you know the way I've been pitching this to all

1401
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: my all my friends and and just everybody out there

1402
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: is like this is this is a book that's not

1403
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: It's not as much as Survival Guy it's just like

1404
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: how to be a how to be an outdoorsman outdoors person. Um.

1405
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: So you know in this in this food section, we

1406
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: start with what do you bring? Because typically when you're

1407
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: going outside, you just bringing damn food with you. Uh.

1408
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: And it's a lot more a lot more simple that way.

1409
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're often going outside looking for food,

1410
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: but um, we still bring a lot of freeze ride

1411
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: ship with us as we go. So we we really

1412
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: break down just like how to be comfortable, how to

1413
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: enjoy it, um, including a section called ten ways the

1414
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: master the freeze dried Experience. Absolutely, and I think that's

1415
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 1: one tips on freeze dry. That's one of the most important.

1416
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: That's one of the most important tips out there, because

1417
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: if you can't enjoy free stride meals, you can't spend

1418
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: heck of a long time out outdoors. What do you

1419
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: carry with you in your backpack for free dry? Stick

1420
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: of butter? Oh? Sometimes, yeah, I like I like my butter.

1421
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: I bring a little to bring a little uh, a

1422
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,839
Speaker 1: little bit of hot sauce with me, salt and pepper.

1423
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: All these hot tips are in here, all these hot

1424
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: including a section should you be buying all those supplements

1425
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: which we felt like we needed to address. And the

1426
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: answers no um and and you know, some of our

1427
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, more kind of cozy homey stuff like bringing

1428
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: jerky and Smokey's and pepperoni sticks and you know, just

1429
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: how to have fun out there and and and and

1430
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: not get not get so sick of the same old

1431
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: bars that you that you don't want to eat them,

1432
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: and you're not putting enough calories. And you know, we

1433
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: also get into like how many calories you do need

1434
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: because you know, everybody, everybody knows from the nutritional labels

1435
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: on the back of a you know, can of beans

1436
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: or you know, bag of chips, that everybody has a

1437
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: two thousand needs a two thousand calorie diet. But that's

1438
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: just really not true. That's just that that's just an

1439
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: average of American adults. But you know, when you're when

1440
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: you're sitting around at home, you may need way less

1441
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: than that. But if you're climbing four thousand feet up

1442
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: a mountain, you're gonna need twice that much more than that.

1443
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: Even and sometimes like you can't cannot physically put enough

1444
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: calories in your body to replace what you've what you've

1445
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: burned through and so we do you know, some simple

1446
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: simple math there about how to how to consider what

1447
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: you bring with you, um, based on based on weight

1448
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: and caloric value UM. And uh, you know I talked

1449
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: to honest about about some of this stuff. You know,

1450
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: sample overnight packing packing list, sample five day packing list

1451
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: for you know, day hike packing list, just kind of

1452
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: some ideas to get you started based on what we

1453
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: do and what we've had success with and what we

1454
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: enjoy eating. UM. When we we uh, we get into

1455
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: the different types of stoves. Worked a lot with Ryan

1456
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: Callahan on that one. UM. You know, there there's a

1457
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: lot of different options out there, and you know from

1458
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 1: your pot belly wall tent stove to the little bitty

1459
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: uh alcohol stoves you can make out of a beer

1460
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: can chopped in half, um, and kind of some of

1461
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: the advantages and disadvantages. UM. And then after that we start, um,

1462
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 1: we kind of take a hard turn into food you

1463
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: can find. And so this is more in the survival section,

1464
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: like when she hits the fan, what what do you do? What?

1465
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what what can you eat out there? That's

1466
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: always really the captivating part of any survival story is

1467
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: like what did they eat? Um? And you find out

1468
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: that people live on you know, have lived on lizards

1469
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: and eels and even certain types of berries for for

1470
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: long periods of time. UM. And this is where this

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01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: chapter got away from you a little bit. I remember

1472
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: you asking me for about eight thousand words, and I

1473
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: think I turned in like thirty thousand because UM basically

1474
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: basically went through everything you can eat in the wild

1475
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: areas of North America. We had to condense that a

1476
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: little bit. On the food fruits and berries part. I

1477
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: worked with a friend of yours, Samuel Thayer, who's just

1478
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: oh the man when it comes to uh, wild plants.

1479
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: He's a UM. He's a foraging author and instructor and

1480
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: wild foods expert based in Wisconsin. And he was telling

1481
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: me we were talking on the phone, he goes survival camping.

1482
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: It's just like for for fun. He'll go out with

1483
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: nothing and just find shipped eat for a week. And

1484
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty bad. He knows his ship,

1485
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: he knows the ship real well. So he helped me

1486
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: narrow it down to about about two dozen different plants

1487
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: like commonly widely available, easily identified wild plants without dead

1488
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:03,879
Speaker 1: ringer killers. Absolutely, So it's like, well, it's got six

1489
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: lobes on the leaf that will kill you, but it's

1490
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: got five lobes, it's pretty tasty. We help you steer

1491
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: clear of the things that you're gonna screw up. Yeah,

1492
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: I mean, and this even helped me this this spring,

1493
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: a buddy and I were out looking for Morrel's and

1494
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, this is this is wild onion. We

1495
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: pulled popped out the bulbs and and I was like, man,

1496
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: this isn't really look right. And and I had just

1497
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: written this section, and and he ate it and he's like, oh,

1498
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: that's a little sour, a little little tart um, And

1499
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: I was like thinking. I was like, man, isn't it

1500
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: There's something about flat, Like no the wild onion. Wild

1501
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: onions are supposed to be around stem, and this is flat.

1502
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: This is wild iris. And we're both eating one at

1503
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: this point, and I'm like, oh, we shouldn't have done that.

1504
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: Should we maybe make ourselves throw up? Should have read

1505
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: the book? Should have read the book? A huge section

1506
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: in here on like what's up with eating a all

1507
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: the common questions, what's up with eating the scump? What's

1508
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: up with you the possible? What's up with you the Kyle,

1509
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: what's up with eating a lizard? Somebody the alligator, like

1510
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: all the like, where's the meat, what's up with it,

1511
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: what to expect, what's gonna kill you? And also a

1512
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: little bit about like how to how to find it,

1513
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: how to get it, primitive, yeah, like how to pack

1514
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: for it, primitive methods. Even a gripping section on how

1515
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: to free your dog from traps because a lot of

1516
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: dog owners are tripped out often rightfully so, about traps,

1517
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: what to do in those situations, what the timelines look like,

1518
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: how to get your dog out of a trap. Should

1519
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: you be out hiking and something bad happens. Absolutely yeah,

1520
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: And I mean we when we go from you know,

1521
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: when when we're talking about when we get past the

1522
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: plants and talking about animals. Where we started in with shellfish,

1523
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, crayfish, mollusks, crabs, bivalves, um, stuff. I grew

1524
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: up doing, you know, hopping tide pools and stuff. But

1525
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in a you're in a coastal area,

1526
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: that's probably the best way to feed yourself. Then we

1527
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: get into fish. Obviously, I uh didn't didn't leave any

1528
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: stone unturned there, uh um. But you know there's there's

1529
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot of cool, cool ways to uh to catch fish.

1530
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: I had just filmed a little video a couple of

1531
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: weeks ago with some of these tips that we have

1532
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: in here. I went and caught Brookie with a a

1533
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: piece of line and a stick. I chopped candy rapper

1534
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: for a lure, and then I made a little fire

1535
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: and spit it up and ate it and the whole

1536
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: the whole thing took about half an hour. So it's

1537
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we drove there for with that specific

1538
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: thing in mind, but you know, it's some of these

1539
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: things are really doable. UM, fish traps, trot lines, set lines,

1540
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 1: fish spears, UM got we've got the you know, little

1541
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: emergency survival kid. I love this. We had Joe surm Melli. Um,

1542
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: we had Joseph Melly right this one about you know

1543
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: about what World War two pilots, how they had a

1544
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: they had a little survival kit in there, uh, a

1545
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: survival fishing kid in their survival kit. Um. And the

1546
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: stuff they would bring, uh you know, they're not bringing

1547
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: rap Paula's, they're not bringing anything fancy. But you know,

1548
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: a silver or gold spoon, it's pretty much all you need.

1549
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: But as I as I showed the other day, a

1550
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: bear hook with a little chunk of candy rapper works

1551
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: just just fine on brook trout. And uh, you know,

1552
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: we kind of work our way through from the from

1553
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: the easier stuff to catch kind of the less advanced

1554
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: animals into trickier and bigger things. We've got amphibians, we've

1555
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: got reptiles, lizards, turtles, crocodilians, birds. We spill a lot

1556
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: of ink on on the fool hen concept um in

1557
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 1: the bird section, which you know, any anywhere you go

1558
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: in the country, they've got something they call fool hen.

1559
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: It's it's not the same species everywhere, but you know,

1560
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: different types of grouse can be uh, it can be

1561
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: very easy, well relatively easy to to capture compared to

1562
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: other birds. The food chapter ends with my favorite section,

1563
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: which is called and lastly a few thoughts on cannibalism,

1564
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: and we lay that whole situation out if you make

1565
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: it that far, will you do it? What parts you

1566
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: might want to start eating on, and a little bit

1567
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: of the psychology of cannibalism and how that came around

1568
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: to We kIPS it around for a while and they

1569
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: were like, we have to talk about most people are

1570
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a cocktail before they get into

1571
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: that little well I got. It just gets into like

1572
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: it gets into like so it sort of pulls the question,

1573
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: you know, like what what happens there? Uh? Chapter four

1574
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Things that bite, mall stinger make you sick. It just

1575
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: covers the whole gamut. Uh starts out with all you

1576
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: know everything about plants, okay, thorny plants, cactuses, gets into insects,

1577
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: and a rachnids goes through biting flies. So it's everything

1578
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: like treating it, avoiding it, worst case scenarios, insect born

1579
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: pathogens gets into bees, wasps, hornets, jiggers, fire ants, on

1580
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: and on, a big big bunch of stuff about lyme disease,

1581
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: lone star ticks which take away your tolerance for meat, spiders,

1582
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: transla scorpions, all kinds of stuff on identify and avoiding.

1583
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Gets into fish and reptiles like like jellyfish, sting rays,

1584
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: lion fish, how to deal with them. We had a

1585
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: big section from spear Fisherman on like what's up with

1586
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: great with sharks? A little bit of a breakdown on

1587
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: the four big offenders when it comes to sharks, what

1588
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: their behaviors, are like, what to do, how to tell

1589
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: when you might be in trouble with a shark, shark

1590
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: attack prevention, all kinds of stuff on snakes, gators, a

1591
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on mammals, with particular focus on rodents

1592
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: and different kind of pathogens that are pasted there, how

1593
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: to avoid them, how to deal with porcupine quills, skunk bombs,

1594
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: rabbit fever, gets into hoof mammals, and then it gets

1595
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: into all this stuff we love to think about grizzlies

1596
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: and mountain lions and all that stuff, and wolves, and

1597
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's a little bit of buzz killing

1598
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: there when you start looking at the numbers and is

1599
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: it really something you ought to be spending upon buch

1600
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 1: time on if you do feel compelled to spend some

1601
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: time on thinking about it and preparing for it, what

1602
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: you should do? And we get real heavily into the

1603
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: old debate bear spray or pistols um, Stay tuned for that.

1604
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: Who wants to tackle shelter and warmth real quick? Yeah? Sure, um,

1605
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. You know, how you're gonna

1606
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: stay basically, how you're gonna stay dry, and how you're

1607
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna stay warm because that you know, if you screw

1608
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: those two up, that's what's gonna kill you probably. Um. So,

1609
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: first of all, it's understanding weather and using every resource

1610
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: you can to to get a good as good at

1611
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: handle on the what the weather is going to be

1612
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: when you're out there as you can with with the

1613
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 1: the understanding that if you're going on an extended trip

1614
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: a week or two weeks and you're gonna be you know,

1615
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: away from civilization for for a while. At ten day

1616
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: forecast is only so useful, um, because they're in act.

1617
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: There's like inaccuracy is built into a ten day forecast

1618
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: to begin with. And in a lot of places, like

1619
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: the weather can be one way in one valley and

1620
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: the next valley over it's doing something completely different. So

1621
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: you just got to prepare for you know everything, Like

1622
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: out here in early September l hunting in Montana, it

1623
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: might be seventy five degrees, but the next day it

1624
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: could be you know, and there's a foot of snow

1625
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: on the ground. So getting a handle on the weather

1626
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: is the big thing. Um. Then you move into shelter

1627
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:40,560
Speaker 1: and basically we go over uh different types of shelters,

1628
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: focusing on tents and all the different kinds of tents

1629
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: and sizes of tents, and how to pick the right

1630
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: tent for what you're doing. UM, you know, with the

1631
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: knowledge in mind that a three season tent is probably

1632
01:30:54,840 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the most versatile. UM. And then just getting into two

1633
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: different types of tents within that, like backpacking tense family tents.

1634
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: You know how to use a tarp to create a shelter.

1635
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: We we you know, oftentimes when we're out in the field,

1636
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: we're setting up a little sun or rain or wind

1637
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: shelter with just just using a tarp. It's a soup

1638
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,799
Speaker 1: like you can pack one of those things that's basically

1639
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: the size of your fist inside your backpack and always

1640
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: have some kind of shelter with you. Then we get

1641
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: into sleeping bags and choosing a sleeping bag synthetic versus

1642
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 1: down versus this new treated down that they have an

1643
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: understanding temperature ratings and sleeping bags, and and giving yourself

1644
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: a buffer. It's a good idea to always give yourself

1645
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 1: a buffer going a little let's sleep with a sleeping

1646
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: bag that's rated a little colder than what you expect

1647
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: to run into. UM. We got some more lists of

1648
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,799
Speaker 1: tips and tricks like Steve was talking about for staying

1649
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: warm and drying comfy in there, um, and then we

1650
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,480
Speaker 1: get into like campsites and picking and choosing a campsite

1651
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: preparing it, and after that we kind of get into

1652
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: the old school survival book uh idea of of building

1653
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: emergency shelters. Um. Starting out with stuff you can carry

1654
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: around like contractors, bags and tarps and things like that,

1655
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: and moving on to like just finding natural shelters like

1656
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: tree wells or digging a snow cave or building a

1657
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: lean to or like all that kind of stuff. And

1658
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: then we uh get into building fires. And that's a

1659
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: big section because a lot of times, uh, staying warm

1660
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: is gonna mean you have the ability to light and

1661
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: maintain a fire. So we have a long section in

1662
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: there on finding fire building materials and what you should

1663
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: be carrying to build a fire, like you know, bick

1664
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: lighters like were we all carry probably multiple bick lighters

1665
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: in our packs, but we also have backup systems like

1666
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: a firestick, magnesium fire sticks, all kinds of info on

1667
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: fires in their great good stuff in there. It's a

1668
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: good section. Um more skills. Have a question, do you

1669
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: are in there recommend that people practice Yeah, definitely. Yeah,

1670
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: different ways, especially under shitty conditions. You know. Yeah, like

1671
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: we've all been in Southeast Alaska. It's Steve's cabin where

1672
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: getting a fire started and a stove as hard. You know,

1673
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: how many of us have been on that trip where

1674
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: you like, you know, what you do the fire, I'm

1675
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: gonna go do X, Y and Z. Weever might be

1676
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: the other chores you need to get done. I'll get

1677
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later you come back. Where's the fire, bro?

1678
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely practice us that ship. Like Remy Warren

1679
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: says when he's late season el cunting, he makes a

1680
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: little fire every time he sits down to glass. Yeah, yeah,

1681
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: just just you know, keep the keep the tool sharp.

1682
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much that that chapter how to Stay

1683
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: dry and warm and uh navigation wilderness travel. One thing

1684
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: you'll find, like one thing we do in this book

1685
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: that no other book like this has is we have

1686
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: a lot of very up to date technical information about

1687
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:36,520
Speaker 1: UM devices. So how do you use mapping apps, mapping software,

1688
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: how to use in reach devices. So instead of getting

1689
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, we do cover all some of the old

1690
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: basic tricks about you know, celestial navigation and kind of

1691
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of such as interesting and good to know.

1692
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: But we also covered like just how to avoid trouble

1693
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: by using technology. Um, you can avoid a lot of trouble.

1694
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: I brought us up recently on a on A when

1695
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: I was talking to I was on Tim Ferris to

1696
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: show we're talking about the book, and I said that

1697
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 1: mcfee's trilogy on g apology animals of the Former World

1698
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: in it. He says, Um, if I could sum up

1699
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 1: this book in one sentence, it would be that the

1700
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: top of Mount Everest is made from marine limestone. Um.

1701
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: If I was gonna sum up this book in one sentence,

1702
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 1: I'd probably say, like on X and in reach, or

1703
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: get on X and in reach. It's like, there's a

1704
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of things you can do today for very small

1705
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: amounts of money that, if done properly, can eliminate the

1706
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: chance of risk. I shouldn't say that damn near damn

1707
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: near eliminate chance. And even if something bad happens, those

1708
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: two things are gonna make getting out of it alive

1709
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,839
Speaker 1: way way easier. They don't. They don't solve all your problems,

1710
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: But holy smokes man, a lot of times you read

1711
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: about people in trouble, you're like that dude should have

1712
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: had of this. Uh. We talked about spatial awareness in

1713
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: the navigation mindset, which is probably one of the best

1714
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 1: things you can give and talk about. Wilderness travel is

1715
01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: just trying to develop spatial awareness strategy so you understand

1716
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: what's going on around you. Navigation tools, modern technology, old

1717
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: school woodsmanship, getting all that stuff, locator beacons that are

1718
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: used by mountaineers, to a radios, the capabilities of your

1719
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: own phone use as a GPS unit. Then we have

1720
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: a big thing navigating without electronics, so all that's not forgotten.

1721
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 1: Then we wind up going into different environments. Okay, so

1722
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: navigation wilderness travel mountain section, swamp section, desert section, all

1723
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,959
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff about moving on snow and ice, including

1724
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,879
Speaker 1: how to tell frozen rivers and lakes, how to assess

1725
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 1: ice conditions, what you're gonna expect when you're out on

1726
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the ice. So this is one of those areas where

1727
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of personal experience from people that

1728
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: worked on the book talking about like, hey man, if

1729
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: you're in the mountains, traveling in the mountains, here's tend

1730
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: things to keep in mind, like some things not to do,

1731
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: some things to do, and we lay all that out

1732
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: including you know a lot of old school tricks. We

1733
01:36:55,960 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: get into white water safety, boating safety, ocean safety, um

1734
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: and and again get into some like old school strategies

1735
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: around how to build flotation devices, how to survive in

1736
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: the water, how to survive in cold water, how long

1737
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: you have water rescues, all that stuff, and in a

1738
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: lot of packing lists, a lot of packing lists about

1739
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: wilderness travel. Who's gonna do medical and safety? The last

1740
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: one can do one thing I also add before I start,

1741
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: that is all these chapters um, like contrary or a

1742
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: lot of traditional survival books, um that kind of go

1743
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: with the primitive skill route like building like making a

1744
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: fire with a bow drill, or like like knitting some

1745
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:50,719
Speaker 1: buckskins pants or whatever. Like we embrace like good gear

1746
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: like in every part of this this book, because good

1747
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: gear makes your life easier. And so you're gonna find

1748
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: throughout the book that we're gonna like call out ship

1749
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: that we use and stuff that we really like. Um

1750
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to throw that in there too.

1751
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: Um So moving on to medical and safety, this is

1752
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 1: a big one. Um. It's it's I think people tend

1753
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: to and this goes back to Steve's kind of reality

1754
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 1: TV survival stuff that where things are tend to be overblown. Um,

1755
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the ship that's gonna get you as not. It's probably

1756
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 1: not going to be the big ship. It's gonna be

1757
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: the little ship. It's gonna be a sprained ankle, it's

1758
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: gonna be vomiting because you've got some kind of gut problem.

1759
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Things like that. Like that's what's really gonna screw you

1760
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: up in the outdoors. And if you're in a situation

1761
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: where you can't get out quickly, a sprained ankle can

1762
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: be really bad news, and the flu can be really

1763
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: bad news. So that that's how we kind of built

1764
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,719
Speaker 1: This chapter is going off that kind of baseline. But

1765
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 1: this this chapter starts out with hygiene, like poor hygiene.

1766
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Just talk to you, honest man. He's the hygiene the

1767
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: hygiene sheriff in camp. Usually what do you mean? I

1768
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: asked everybody if they're brushing their teeth and washing their

1769
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: hands and like, because like that's how you can get sick.

1770
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: It's called basic hygiene for dirtback. Yeah, exactly, Like, no

1771
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 1: one you're gonna be dirty, but trying to maintain a

1772
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: level of cleanliness that isn't gonna make you or other

1773
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: people that you're with sick. Well, you know, you know

1774
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 1: your kids. Ever watched Bob the Builder? Yep? His theme

1775
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: song is boots, belt hard and work. Like I hear

1776
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: that song getting sung in my house. Well, our ten

1777
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: year old I made him a song about how to shower. Um,

1778
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: it goes pits, button nuts, sat washed like Bob the Builder. Yes,

1779
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: button nuts, Yeah, washed like Bile the Builder, because like,

1780
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I know, how get ten years old. It's like he's

1781
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: like going to the shower and he steps immediately out.

1782
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: What happens? I'm wet? Did it goes in? Just to confirm? Yeah,

1783
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: It's like how else would have you wet in there?

1784
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: Like three seconds ago? Dude? But there's ways to stay

1785
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: clean even if you don't have access to a shower. Um,

1786
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: and we go through all that, we go through pooping

1787
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: in the woods and how disgusting surface shitters are. Big

1788
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: section on that. UM have a little hygiene essentials kit,

1789
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: and then we move into the big one. First age.

1790
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: I gotta ask, how many different positions did you cover

1791
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 1: for pooping in the woods? Well, I think did we

1792
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: talk about this at some point? But stick the stick

1793
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: grabbing there and just the you know freestyle. Um. Yeah, yeah,

1794
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: we cover a little bit of stuff yea. So then

1795
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 1: we probably the best material ever written. I would say,

1796
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: probably the best thing I've written in the wood. Yeah.

1797
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Granted there's a whole book on it, but we pair

1798
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: that down to just the info you need um medical um,

1799
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: first aid kits and or medical kits. Uh. Probably the

1800
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: biggest thing we learned before well, during the process of

1801
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:20,799
Speaker 1: writing this book, the thing that we all weren't caring

1802
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 1: that we should have been caring is a tourniquet and

1803
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: that that goes back to our buddy Dr Alan Lazar.

1804
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 1: We had a whole podcast on that that you can

1805
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: listen to if you haven't. Did you hear about the

1806
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: life we saved? Yes, I mean to brag. Yes. A

1807
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: dude listened to the podcast and then was in a

1808
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: hunting accident shortly after saved his dad's life. His dad

1809
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: got shot and he had just listened to the podcast

1810
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 1: and did all the tourniquet ship and saved the guy's life.

1811
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: He said, you would have never have liked. That would

1812
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: not have been on his radar. But we go through,

1813
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: we go through everything you should have in your first

1814
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: aid kit with with the knowledge that like, these things

1815
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 1: aren't like static, Like we're constantly adjusting what we're carrying

1816
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: in our survival kit and what we're carrying in our

1817
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 1: first aid kits. But we go through the stuff that

1818
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 1: should always be in there, the stuff that you probably

1819
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: want to have in there, and stuff that you can

1820
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: move in and out of there according to your needs.

1821
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: Um and uh, you just have to like you got

1822
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 1: to make it a habit of carrying a first aid kit.

1823
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: I was just hunting with some buddies in Colorado like

1824
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 1: a month ago, and I was making fun of one

1825
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 1: of my buddies because he didn't carry a first aid kit,

1826
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,639
Speaker 1: and sure ship the next day when he was skinning

1827
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: his buck, he stabbed himself in the leg. Was like, man,

1828
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 1: I should have been carrying a first aid kit. Um,

1829
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you're you're asking for trouble. Uh.

1830
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: Then we go into kind of just educating yourself on

1831
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 1: how to administer first aid. We go through all kinds

1832
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: of diagnosis information on like the things that are you're

1833
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: going to run into out there, for um, sprained ankles

1834
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 1: and gut problems to bruises and strains, too broken legs,

1835
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:11,480
Speaker 1: to illnesses to heart attacks, two strokes, like basically everything

1836
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 1: that could could get you out there. We go through

1837
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 1: on everything on how to diagnose and potentially treat it

1838
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: if you're able to. Uh, it's pretty extensive all that stuff.

1839
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 1: So there's some real cool information on like accept assessing

1840
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: a dominant pain by quadrant and arterial pressure guides, like

1841
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: really good just first aid info throughout this thing. I

1842
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,839
Speaker 1: think that's life. Yeah. Yeah, if you're gonna pay attention

1843
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 1: to one chapter in here, this is probably the one

1844
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. Uh how much is that there?

1845
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 1: But I think it's twenty five retail right usually? Yeah,

1846
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: I want to go find out. Let me find out

1847
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: what says right here? I think actually for sale Amazon

1848
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: or something. Um, let's see nine steel Dude, I was

1849
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: five years old night uh oh, already listened as a

1850
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: best seller here. I don't know what the hell that means.

1851
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: That could be best listen by the DAYMN book. I

1852
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: don't even care if you want it, buy it and

1853
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: give it to someone. I'm just begging you. I don't

1854
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: like begging and pleading. It's got a kick ass cover

1855
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 1: on it, very durrible flexibining cover, so you can take

1856
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: it outside if you need to do me a favor

1857
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:47,879
Speaker 1: and just buy the book. Please, It's all I'm asking. Please,

1858
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm begging and pleading. Part two. Thank you everybody. Oh no,

1859
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: I have a closing statement. I know we're long over time,

1860
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: but I'm most surprised and none of you picked up

1861
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: on all this and want to add this because what

1862
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 1: what really to me sets this book apart. And I'll

1863
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: admit I have not read the whole thing, but I've

1864
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: heard this from people that have read the whole thing,

1865
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't read like just a bunch of

1866
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: dry information. Everybody here that contributed like is very like

1867
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 1: good creative flowy um, like great stories in there that

1868
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of black up all this information and personal anecdotes

1869
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: of you know, how they learned this stuff and how

1870
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 1: they could have known, you know, how they could have

1871
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 1: used the more information that's in this book now at

1872
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 1: that moment. And um, yeah, So it's like it's a

1873
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 1: good read. You're not gonna be it's not gonna put

1874
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 1: you to bed at night. You're probably gonna stay up

1875
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 1: wanting to read more. You'll lay there making this noise.

1876
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: You'd be like you're reading, you'd be like to your

1877
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: husband and be like, oh my god. You'd be like

1878
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: that's funny. And then you'd be like, holy cow, did

1879
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: you And then you'd be like, oh man, I had

1880
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: no like you'll be doing all night long. We have

1881
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, Like my god, I gotta eat

1882
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 1: a copy of that book. We have a lot of

1883
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: fun with the survival guides of the past. How you know,

1884
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: they would have a diagram of a deer with like

1885
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: a bull's eye on its head, and like this is

1886
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 1: where you stab a deer and that's how you survived.

1887
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 1: And so we're kind of like, yeah, forget all that.

1888
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 1: You know, a squirrel might be a little bit better

1889
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 1: move for you right now. So everybody joining the fun. Oh,

1890
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 1: Leon Crane, the guy that got the I'll bring this

1891
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: full circle. Leon Crane, the guy that got uh in

1892
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: that plane it wrecked. Um spent days trying to kill

1893
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: a pine squirrel and couldn't do it. Tried everything, started

1894
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 1: walking and found a trapper shack. That's what saved him.

1895
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: And he knew he did some very good decision making

1896
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 1: about what direction he ought to walk based on topography.

1897
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's like, oh, I just kill some pine squirrels.

1898
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 1: He said, he butout went mad. Start eating pine needles.

1899
01:46:53,040 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 1: That's gotta make your joy of the fun. Meet Eater.

1900
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 1: Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival by a shipload Now

1901
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: why P says it's the best wildness Skills in survival

1902
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: book he's ever seen ever, by far. And he said,

1903
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 1: I bought ten already, I bought eleven already. Oh he

1904
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:19,799
Speaker 1: just bought another one, all right, Thanks everybody,