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Speaker 1: episode twenty two. It's the season finale of season one,
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. Case you didn't know what show we
Speaker 1: were all watching, It's One Tree. The episode is called
Speaker 1: The Games That Play Us and it aired May eleventh,
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Somebody read us an opposite tell
Speaker 1: us what happens in this episode, Sophia hit It says, okay, y'all.
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan have to bear Dan's abuse as he
Speaker 1: coaches them in the playoffs, pushing them both to the
Speaker 1: breaking point. After Dan threatens her not cool, Hailey reconsiders
Speaker 1: her relationship with Nathan, and Whitey learns that his medical
Speaker 1: condition is serious and something left off the synopsis that
Speaker 1: feels pretty important is that Lucas is moving to charm
Speaker 1: Bang Deal really big deal. Didn't this feel like you
Speaker 1: guys like they were prepping this for a series finale.
Speaker 1: They were like, there's no promise that this thing's going
Speaker 1: to keep going. Like, let's give everyone a happy ending.
Speaker 1: So the happy endings of Haley and Nathan and Dev
Speaker 1: and Keith finally hitting all that powerful energy, and finally
Speaker 1: Brooke and Peyton ending up in bed together like everybody
Speaker 1: got a happy ending, and Lucas left town, except we
Speaker 1: left Karen and tears and Dan maybe dying, although that
Speaker 1: might just be his my favorite you better hope I die.
Speaker 1: I die. He's like having a heart attack or something.
Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on. Something that I thought
Speaker 1: was really cool as a device is that we basically
Speaker 1: play aid this whole moment in time for all of
Speaker 1: our characters and all of our little worlds in the
Speaker 1: framework of the playoff game, And so the dialogue would
Speaker 1: lead from the game back to a scene from the game,
Speaker 1: to the cemetery from the game to Peyton's house, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was it was a really cool divide,
Speaker 1: like it I liked that you did. It was really confusing,
Speaker 1: but eventually caught on because I didn't I forgot. So
Speaker 1: I was watching this and I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: Why we keep this just all over the place? And
Speaker 1: maybe it was just wasn't executed perfectly. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: God knows, when you're shooting a TV series and you're
Speaker 1: prepping other episodes and you're dealing with lots of other stuff.
Speaker 1: I understand how some you know, it's hard to get
Speaker 1: meticulous at things like that, but it confused me until
Speaker 1: about halfway through. I was like, you know what's funny.
Speaker 1: I think I was so prepped for the playoff game
Speaker 1: because the three of us have been like, but the player,
Speaker 1: Lucas can't move away with Keith and play in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I was really really ready for the game. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Lucas walking into Dan's office
Speaker 1: of his own volition and saying, I guess I'm sorry
Speaker 1: for resenting you, which I thought was honestly really unrealistic.
Speaker 1: But the next thing he said what I really liked,
Speaker 1: which because he was like, I'm sorry for resenting you
Speaker 1: for not being there for me. Because I was like, no, well,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be apologizing to this guy. Why would you
Speaker 1: do that? And I guess he's trying to be the
Speaker 1: bigger person or do that for his own conscience sixteen
Speaker 1: year old kid, or just be a sixteen yeard. But
Speaker 1: that's what I was like, just sixteen year old boys
Speaker 1: really like get that vulnerable and decide to go whatever.
Speaker 1: But the next thing he said was something about what
Speaker 1: did he say next? There was like a it was
Speaker 1: a different apology, but it made sense. He went in
Speaker 1: there and he said that thing about I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: I resented you for not wanting to be in my life,
Speaker 1: and I guess I never thanked you for saving That's
Speaker 1: what it was. Yes, I really loved that. I really
Speaker 1: appreciated that he was really tying up, trying to make emends,
Speaker 1: tie up blues ends before he left and beat just
Speaker 1: be a better man before he leaves town. I thought
Speaker 1: that was really cool. Yeah. I liked the parallel also
Speaker 1: that Lucas kind of you know, swallows his pride and
Speaker 1: chooses to lean into his vulnerability with Dan, and it's
Speaker 1: echoed as these boys are becoming friends and brothers later
Speaker 1: with You and James in the Haley and Nathan moment
Speaker 1: where he says, you know, my pride would tell me
Speaker 1: to just say yeah, that's it and leave. But my
Speaker 1: heart wants me to tell you that I love you
Speaker 1: and then I'm not going to give up on us.
Speaker 1: And and you see both of these. I mean, you're right,
Speaker 1: these sixteen year old boys making very grown up moves
Speaker 1: to be honest about how they feel, even though their
Speaker 1: feelings are complicated. What was big of him to open
Speaker 1: up a door for Dan? You know, everybody, it's like
Speaker 1: so easy to vilify Dan, and if Luke is trying
Speaker 1: to see the silver lining there, just to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: in case you wanted to try to be that guy
Speaker 1: again that you were at eighteen years old, like, here's
Speaker 1: an opportunity for that. And it gets yeah, because we
Speaker 1: all would love communities to go back and fix the
Speaker 1: thing that we screwed up when we were young and dumb.
Speaker 1: You know how many times do we get that chance?
Speaker 1: And Keith gave that chance to Dan. Also in this episode,
Speaker 1: when Keith says I'm leaving and you know, tries to
Speaker 1: have one last moment of I don't know, reconciliation or
Speaker 1: something something that the other moment that we just saw
Speaker 1: with Luke and Nathan, you know, like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so nice if they could just hug yeah, and Dan
Speaker 1: gives him another sniper mark and I can't, can't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dan really stabs at people in this episode. For me,
Speaker 1: the the theatrical device of the juicy suits was incredibly powerful.
Speaker 1: This because dead in that bed velvet Hailey at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode in her own That's how we
Speaker 1: knew she was about to get Yeah yeah, Dan, because
Speaker 1: you were looking gorgeous like a snack, like a snack.
Speaker 1: I almost said it, looking like a beautiful, juicy little snack.
Speaker 1: When Dan does snip at you, and so then to
Speaker 1: see it paralleled later with Barb just like I'm vulnerable
Speaker 1: to juicy. Such is such a powerful thing. I feel
Speaker 1: like we're going to have drama queen juicy suits. Y'all
Speaker 1: better justice prep yourself. It happened done. We need to
Speaker 1: d m those people on Instagram and figure it um
Speaker 1: Dan's story. So Dan going to deb while she's crying
Speaker 1: and signing the papers and that whole manipulative story about
Speaker 1: I was going to leave you that day. And for Karen,
Speaker 1: how about that super gus you told me you were pregnant.
Speaker 1: I picked you, I picked you over the girl I
Speaker 1: really loved so that was our first hint that he
Speaker 1: really loved Karen. He went with the girl with the
Speaker 1: most money, seemingly made his decision, the girl who dropped
Speaker 1: him start his car empire. And then we know what
Speaker 1: bugged me though, okay, it bugged me that after he
Speaker 1: walked in and found Dun Dun Dun, Deb and Keith
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the blankets, so hot, so hot, I
Speaker 1: wanted to see more of it. Why did they make
Speaker 1: us not watch that? Why didn't they? Right? They made
Speaker 1: us like do every lingering kiss ever, we should have
Speaker 1: gotten at least seven minutes seven minutes in heaven with Devin.
Speaker 1: K wanted it, and Dan walks in and he sees
Speaker 1: them and it was so vindicating, and then they both
Speaker 1: go and try and apologize to him. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy has got people really wrapped around his finger,
Speaker 1: Like why in the world he's stolen his brother's company.
Speaker 1: He you know, has rubbed it in his face a
Speaker 1: number of times that Karen doesn't want to be with him,
Speaker 1: Like every dig Dan can get in he has. And
Speaker 1: so I hope Deb had a whirl. I hope she
Speaker 1: had a great time. I hope they earned it, you know,
Speaker 1: they really did. That is a great point though, why
Speaker 1: they're apologizing to him. I mean even it's it's so
Speaker 1: hard in that scene we were referencing earlier to see
Speaker 1: Dan be so cruel to Lucas and say, you know
Speaker 1: you're already supposed to be on the court, you know,
Speaker 1: go run win sprints like he physically punishes his boy
Speaker 1: for being vulnerable. And then when Keith tries to talk
Speaker 1: to him this one last chance before he leaves, that
Speaker 1: it's such a gut punch when he says, oh, would
Speaker 1: you do with the ring if your leave and you
Speaker 1: must be proposed to care and she said no. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, brutal, Like why are these
Speaker 1: people apologizing to this? Why are they Like is that
Speaker 1: the right thing to do? Like do we have to
Speaker 1: continually in our lives apologize to the dance Scots in
Speaker 1: the world or struggle with this? Really struggle with this
Speaker 1: because there's a huge part of me that's like I
Speaker 1: want to be the better person. I want to not better,
Speaker 1: Like my ego is saying I want to be better
Speaker 1: than you. But if your better, Jake, it's that I'm bad.
Speaker 1: I want to go to sleep at night knowing that
Speaker 1: I've cleaned up any mess that's out there. You know,
Speaker 1: if I feel like there's a mess and I have
Speaker 1: any control over cleaning up some part of my portion
Speaker 1: of it, regardless of what the other person has done
Speaker 1: or said, my way of living, I try to clean
Speaker 1: up my mess. Um. So I understand that. But also
Speaker 1: there is also a codependent thing that kind of goes
Speaker 1: along with that that I end up getting taken advantage
Speaker 1: of a lot, I think because I do tend to
Speaker 1: give people the benefit of the doubt, I too do
Speaker 1: tend to you know, I don't want to be mean.
Speaker 1: I don't want to step on anybody's toes. I don't
Speaker 1: want to assume the worst. And so I do that
Speaker 1: for long enough that you know that I end up
Speaker 1: waking up and being like, wait, I'm being totally taken
Speaker 1: advantage of. Why have I been allowing this to go
Speaker 1: on for so long? Who does them to you? I'll
Speaker 1: fight them. Do the list, you just pass it along.
Speaker 1: It's my it's my whole life. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that's I'm equally responsible because I allow it to happen.
Speaker 1: And so that's the question of where why do deb
Speaker 1: and Keith and Lucas and even Nathan sometimes like why
Speaker 1: do all what is that about us that that makes
Speaker 1: us feel that we need to perpetuate the cycle of
Speaker 1: like allowing somebody to hurt us, and then we go
Speaker 1: back and we're the ones who apologize even when they don't.
Speaker 1: What is that? Yeah? Well I think you're right, though, Joy,
Speaker 1: And perhaps I think you're right because I see myself
Speaker 1: in the explanation you just offered. Are dead to me?
Speaker 1: I hate your face. I need someone those boundaries, Hillary, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been learning boundaries in our adult lives. Um. I
Speaker 1: certainly think that for me, in trying to learn boundaries,
Speaker 1: the thing that was the hardest to accept was not
Speaker 1: everyone deserves the ever. Not everyone deserves you being the
Speaker 1: bigger person to try to clean up everything, because it
Speaker 1: puts you in a position where you're constantly afraid that
Speaker 1: it's you, that you're failing, that you're doing something wrong.
Speaker 1: And and really, what it takes me back to and
Speaker 1: we've been we've all been talking about this dynamic with
Speaker 1: him that is so well represented on our show, which
Speaker 1: is probably why it hurts to watch. Those are abusive relationships,
Speaker 1: Those are being in codependent relationships with Um users or
Speaker 1: all the way up the ladder to narcissists. And I
Speaker 1: think that it's like, uh, it's hard to know when
Speaker 1: your desire to always figure out why something's happened and
Speaker 1: learn from it and learn the lesson and heal from
Speaker 1: it and make everybody be friends, Like do you really
Speaker 1: have to do that with somebody like Dan Scott? I
Speaker 1: don't think it's an optimism. It's a level of optimism
Speaker 1: that's lovely. And I love being around optimistic people. And
Speaker 1: for me, like as someone who's prone to say you
Speaker 1: real fast, um, it is good for me to be
Speaker 1: around optimistic people. And I like watching optimistic people. So
Speaker 1: I like watching the characters in this episode try try again,
Speaker 1: try and try again, um, and it may work out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what the hell happened season seven,
Speaker 1: eight nine? So does Dan ever? Does he ever? Circle back?
Speaker 1: Is all the effort worth something? In the end, We're
Speaker 1: going to find out. I'll find out. I don't know it,
Speaker 1: but we have a lot of optimistic kids here, and
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I had no idea how many of
Speaker 1: our like signature moments and signature like lines were packed
Speaker 1: into this. I forgot to so many major things. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: here let me This is one of my favorite quotes
Speaker 1: of the episode. Keith says to Karen, let someone discover
Speaker 1: how staggering you are to it killed me and the
Speaker 1: two of them to I know, I know, and the
Speaker 1: two of them together, and the way that they this
Speaker 1: is watching two pro actors go at it because it
Speaker 1: was so under played. They did. They weren't like, they
Speaker 1: weren't milking it. No one was chewing scenery. For those
Speaker 1: of you out there who aren't the Thespians, chewing scenery
Speaker 1: is like He's like, when somebody just kind of takes
Speaker 1: a very minimal scene and then they literally, you know,
Speaker 1: they would nobody actually does this, but you're chewing on
Speaker 1: the scenery like you're just like making you're making a
Speaker 1: meal out of something that's smaller than that. They just
Speaker 1: were so simple and dropped into their bodies and all
Speaker 1: the eye contact and that he could see all the
Speaker 1: emotion was washing all over them. They just sat there
Speaker 1: and felt it and then set their lines and it
Speaker 1: was so beautiful. Yeah, that really was a hard scene
Speaker 1: to watch because he's like, did you ever love me?
Speaker 1: And she just can't, she can't say yes, and that's
Speaker 1: It's like she let him be her partner for so
Speaker 1: long because for her that was enough. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't need somebody to sleep with. I just need somebody
Speaker 1: to like maybe cook dinner with sometimes and help. She
Speaker 1: needed help raising her child's and he but also talk
Speaker 1: about allowing things to go on like he could have.
Speaker 1: He could have pulled the plug on that at any
Speaker 1: moment and said, look, if I'm not if we're not
Speaker 1: going to be together, I can't participate in this. But
Speaker 1: he didn't because he was. He was getting something wonderful
Speaker 1: out of it too. You know, even though it wasn't romance,
Speaker 1: there was something else that was deeper and was intimacy
Speaker 1: them that they needed. It wasn't simiththy Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: it can be complicated for you know, two people who
Speaker 1: would theoretically be attracted to each other or date to
Speaker 1: be best friends, you know. And it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: the adult version of it because there's so many people
Speaker 1: that I know and so many conversations we've all had
Speaker 1: about like oh yeah, before I was like young enough
Speaker 1: to discern, and I thought I was supposed to date
Speaker 1: that person who is my friend. You know, you're engaged
Speaker 1: to your friend. Dude, you guys are friends for how
Speaker 1: long before? Yeah, I represented didn't see it. I um,
Speaker 1: And sometimes you do the opposite. And it's like to
Speaker 1: see these adults being, um, the opposite thing on so
Speaker 1: many shows like ours, which is what all of our
Speaker 1: characters do. Like the kids are trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who do they love, who are they really supposed to
Speaker 1: be with? And I love seeing the inverse intimacy of
Speaker 1: Keith and Karen because they they love each other so deeply,
Speaker 1: but they've not crossed that line. They've never given it
Speaker 1: a shot. And it's almost like it's been so long
Speaker 1: that that for her she can't imagine doing that. And
Speaker 1: for him, it's been his secret. You know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that problem. Um. Brooke and Peyton, because boy, and
Speaker 1: they loved to cut into that shot of us in
Speaker 1: the gym over and I did they did? What what
Speaker 1: was this guy? We're just making eyes at each other.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you're still looking at me. I'm still
Speaker 1: looking at you. And it just kept going over and over.
Speaker 1: It was was it the same shot over and over?
Speaker 1: I think it was the same shot multiple times. They
Speaker 1: just want like, go back to it, go back to
Speaker 1: it cut back to Brigan Peyton, but then like we're
Speaker 1: in the bar together and we're just smiling, and then
Speaker 1: we're in bed at the end and we're just smiling.
Speaker 1: Let's do something great together. I didn't realize how I
Speaker 1: was looking at you. Maybe, and maybe I did realize
Speaker 1: how it's looking at you. But looking back on it,
Speaker 1: you know, almost twenty years later, I'm just like, yeah, duh,
Speaker 1: that is totally a Roman. They're just they're so happy
Speaker 1: to be back together and they're so happy. So what
Speaker 1: you're saying is that episodes ago you were like, God,
Speaker 1: Peyton is so gay for Haley, and now Peyton's back
Speaker 1: to me. In business, it's like Jake Lucas Haley bro everybody.
Speaker 1: Changers are experts at just ripping our hearts out and
Speaker 1: handing them to every single person who looks at us
Speaker 1: the right way. Me love me. But also that is
Speaker 1: like a real thing, like that whole used to joke,
Speaker 1: uh in the last season on One Tree Hill, when
Speaker 1: I was like single and like kind of dating around,
Speaker 1: and I would we played this game, you know that
Speaker 1: children's book Are You my mother? Oh? Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: used to joke like, are you my husband? Are you
Speaker 1: my husband? Are you my husband? Are you my husband?
Speaker 1: With like like people in bars and things, Hillary saying
Speaker 1: I literally I told that, Like every time I see
Speaker 1: a man reading on the subway in New York, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you? It could be honestly, it's it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because that spark of seeing someone for
Speaker 1: the first time, or that spark of like recognizing someone
Speaker 1: that maybe you've known for a little while but you've
Speaker 1: never looked at that way, that's exciting, and I think
Speaker 1: that could almost even be addicting, especially to someone like
Speaker 1: Peyton who doesn't have a stable home, and so it's like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna be my fix? Are you gonna be
Speaker 1: my fix? Are you gonna be my fix? And Brooke
Speaker 1: is the ultimate fix, like that's the person who has
Speaker 1: loved her through everything. But I think that's also part
Speaker 1: of the depth of Brook and Peyton's bond. Neither of
Speaker 1: them knows what a healthy adult relationship. So both of
Speaker 1: these right, they've had nothing modeled, and so of course
Speaker 1: these girls get into a messy entanglement with the same
Speaker 1: boy of course they love deeply, and an entanglement they
Speaker 1: you know, they love deeply, and they and they and
Speaker 1: they hurt deeply together because there are two little girls
Speaker 1: who have never had an adult teach them how things
Speaker 1: are supposed to go. So they're desperately looking for the
Speaker 1: thing that feels like home. They're playing house. You know,
Speaker 1: if we can just like if you have have a
Speaker 1: house and I have half a house, if we just
Speaker 1: combine forces, then maybe we'll have like a whole situation.
Speaker 1: Um and I, you know, knowing that we were on
Speaker 1: the bubble and we didn't know whether or not we
Speaker 1: were going to come back or not, I appreciate that
Speaker 1: that's the storyline that they chose for us. That it
Speaker 1: wasn't like all of us ended up with Luke one
Speaker 1: of like I ran off with Jake. It was like, no,
Speaker 1: this bond is the important end cap to this story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so's the reason why, you guys, this friendship was just
Speaker 1: so epic on the show and and something that carried
Speaker 1: so many people through I mean, I think that your
Speaker 1: friendship was set an example for so many young women.
Speaker 1: And you know, they just as much as Nathan and
Speaker 1: Haley were this iconic couple, I think Brook and Peyton
Speaker 1: were the iconic friendship friendship couple of the two thousands
Speaker 1: and that shows up all the time, and fans we
Speaker 1: never got a rainteller. Joy. Yeah, you guys had another rain.
Speaker 1: I know. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to leave soon
Speaker 1: because I have I'm in Nashville right now, and you
Speaker 1: guys friends out there listening. It's been a real pickle
Speaker 1: trying to figure out our schedules because we've all got
Speaker 1: other other projects and children and you know, all these
Speaker 1: other responsibilities and normally it's been so we find time,
Speaker 1: but this week, for some reason, it was just really differs.
Speaker 1: So anyway, this was our only kind of time slot
Speaker 1: to get together. So you get me for the first
Speaker 1: half hour, and then you get you got these other
Speaker 1: two for the last. We're going to talk about and
Speaker 1: making the thing. They're going to carry you out. But
Speaker 1: before I go, I want to talk about that scene
Speaker 1: with Nathan and Haley, because Okay, first of all, the
Speaker 1: rain was so intense. It was like I was blinking
Speaker 1: like I could not because James is so tall and
Speaker 1: I my eyes. If you looked at them scene, I
Speaker 1: couldn't even look up at it. I was just like
Speaker 1: this pelts of rain. Somebody help me, diving into my
Speaker 1: eyeballs um, but he looked so great in the rain,
Speaker 1: by the way, him looking down with that angle and
Speaker 1: that jaw and the rain just pouring in his face,
Speaker 1: and he looked more like a man for the first time.
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Yeah, I was, Yes, I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, baby Jake, I know, I know what. Hell God,
Speaker 1: I remember that day though. I remember the scene in
Speaker 1: the cemetery, and I really remembered shooting this episode. Watching
Speaker 1: this back, I went, oh, I have visceral memories of this.
Speaker 1: I remember being in the cemetery and how cold it
Speaker 1: was that night and trying to you know, we were
Speaker 1: just out there so late, and it was the first
Speaker 1: time Chat and I had been able to do a
Speaker 1: long night scene and just hang out and chat together
Speaker 1: in a really long time. So that was super fun.
Speaker 1: But this, Yeah, the speech that Nathan gives Haley about
Speaker 1: she's clearly threatened by a sexual relationship was the one
Speaker 1: line that really bumped me. To bump you guys too,
Speaker 1: or was it just me that you were threatened by
Speaker 1: a sexual relationship? It was that you were irritated. It
Speaker 1: was on his computer, like, bro, you had this on
Speaker 1: your laptop currently. And also and by the way, they
Speaker 1: could have chosen, you know, our our episode aired last
Speaker 1: week all about the porn they could have chosen, like
Speaker 1: websites that didn't sound as like raunchy as the one
Speaker 1: like some high ed material for Nat. They really did.
Speaker 1: But I just it begged me because she wasn't I
Speaker 1: don't think she was threatened by a sexual relation. What
Speaker 1: would be threatened that? That's so insulting. Actually literally Peyton
Speaker 1: drops her off to that scene. For me, I was like,
Speaker 1: they're together. Oh yeah, wa if you were threatened, why
Speaker 1: am I dropping you off? Like why yeah, Like that's
Speaker 1: clearly not it. And what what bugged me about it
Speaker 1: is it was again going back to the device of
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't care about the sex because you have
Speaker 1: my heart, And I was like, no, it's not about
Speaker 1: the fact that this is a person who's been sexual Sure,
Speaker 1: that can make you feel a little nervous about your
Speaker 1: own whatever, But the whole point is that she's upset
Speaker 1: that there has been a lot about sexual activity that
Speaker 1: doesn't include and this is someone who clearly has a
Speaker 1: very high view of sex. She doesn't see it as
Speaker 1: a commodity to trade or something that is you know,
Speaker 1: for her, this is something that she really values and
Speaker 1: puts puts a high value in because it really is
Speaker 1: meaningful to her. And you know that's complicated when you're
Speaker 1: in a relationship with someone who hasn't functioned with sex
Speaker 1: in that way. Um, and who knows, you know, how
Speaker 1: things can change for for Nathan or how things have
Speaker 1: changed for him. But I just thought that was really
Speaker 1: the wrong line to choose. And I remember feeling like, guys,
Speaker 1: I hate this line. Can't we change it? But it
Speaker 1: wasn't my line, so it wasn't up to me. It's
Speaker 1: so hard to change someone else's dialogue, like yeah, so
Speaker 1: I just had to like, Okay, Hayley, it's going to
Speaker 1: forgive him. I guess I will say props to James
Speaker 1: because he took some lines that were gross and and
Speaker 1: that device of like you have my heart that we've
Speaker 1: been complaining about for weeks, just being like come on,
Speaker 1: like have a real conversation, and and he was he
Speaker 1: was to your point, like he brought a man's energy
Speaker 1: to it, he brought his vulnerability to it. He he
Speaker 1: he sort of got over the worst of the dialogue
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible and leaned into the apologies and
Speaker 1: into how he wasn't going to be a typical guy
Speaker 1: who just sat in his pride and said we'll forget
Speaker 1: it and and he brought all this other stuff to it.
Speaker 1: I was really impressive. You know, he was eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: like doing that scene and what a what a g
Speaker 1: our friend is He threw away the bad lines. He
Speaker 1: was like if I just see him really fast and
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then he leaned into the good lines
Speaker 1: and it was It was really sweet to watch because
Speaker 1: even though I, you know, I feel for you in
Speaker 1: that moment, joy and like I didn't like that either,
Speaker 1: I still came away from that scene going I really
Speaker 1: like that. I like that he chose vulnerability as a team.
Speaker 1: It's just realistic too, by the way, because nobody just
Speaker 1: changes their mind and it's rare that someone will change
Speaker 1: their mind on a dime and everything's going to be
Speaker 1: perfect all of a sudden. So it's fine that he
Speaker 1: had to find you know, that was sort of where
Speaker 1: the line that he could come to to make sense
Speaker 1: of it, to keep moving forward and you know, give
Speaker 1: him space to grow. I guess I don't know, am
Speaker 1: I being too gener no? But you ended that scene perfectly.
Speaker 1: I mean the will if you have to, was yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was such a good kiss. And then we
Speaker 1: were in his house and that bra from Edge of
Speaker 1: Urge because the whole thing about that you have to
Speaker 1: tell the bra story. Oh my god, you guys. In
Speaker 1: my notes, I literally have that satin bra and on
Speaker 1: my notes sheet, Joy, you looked so hot that probably
Speaker 1: they wanted me in a regular bra. And it was
Speaker 1: twenty one. I had never been in a regular bra
Speaker 1: on TV before. I mean, now I'd be totally naked.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it, but you know,
Speaker 1: whatever given, But yeah, at least I have no shame left,
Speaker 1: Like I'll take all the roles Kate Winslet doesn't want.
Speaker 1: But I You're like, paint me like one of your friends.
Speaker 1: But back then, you know, I was. I was definitely
Speaker 1: really nervous about that. I didn't want to be in
Speaker 1: a bra on TV, and so I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do. And we found this sort of sports bra
Speaker 1: thing that was satin, so it looked like something Haley
Speaker 1: would wear. Um, but I do remember filming that scene
Speaker 1: and it was, uh, I couldn't wear nipple pads because
Speaker 1: they would have shown through the satin. And so you know,
Speaker 1: it was a little cold in there when I went in,
Speaker 1: and I remember, God, I'm trying to remember exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: but I know that our director, I specifically, was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I really don't like I'm in satin and my nipples
Speaker 1: are going to show through this, and I really am
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with that. Can you please just like shoot above it,
Speaker 1: just make sure you're like or or just wait until
Speaker 1: like it swarms up and it warms up a little
Speaker 1: in here. And he said, no problem, absolutely, and then
Speaker 1: they just sucking did whatever they wanted to do. That's
Speaker 1: what they did around it. And I was so upset.
Speaker 1: I was so upset because honestly, I could have chosen
Speaker 1: a padded bra that at least it would have been
Speaker 1: like a bikini top, but then I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: so exposed. But the fact that you can totally see
Speaker 1: my nipples through that shirt and it was a satin
Speaker 1: there beautiful. Hey, I got great boobs. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: about them. But I'm so happy about them that needs
Speaker 1: to be on a shirt. I'm so happy about that's right.
Speaker 1: But at twenty one, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. But you but you were scary.
Speaker 1: You looked so beautiful and so innocent, but also it
Speaker 1: was clear this is a girl coming into her own,
Speaker 1: she's making decisions on her own, making a decision. I
Speaker 1: thought that you played all of that really really well,
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's iconic for for the you know,
Speaker 1: cannon of the show. It's this episode you two kissing
Speaker 1: in the rain and then getting married that carries through
Speaker 1: the rest of the series. Lucas has such a good
Speaker 1: reaction at the end when I'm like, we got married
Speaker 1: last night and dropped the bomb, and Hayley and Nathan
Speaker 1: just like like, it's cute, but Lucas was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you two. Honestly, we're so giddy and cute in that cute.
Speaker 1: I remember getting those pages. Don't remember when they gave
Speaker 1: us the pages were in red. The last like ten
Speaker 1: pages of the episode were in red. In the script, yes,
Speaker 1: because people were leaking our scripts for they were getting
Speaker 1: leaked and the red pages with the black ink couldn't
Speaker 1: be zero that's right, everything would disappear. So they gave
Speaker 1: us the end of the of the episode in red
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't get leaked. Onto the end. I was
Speaker 1: in my trailer when I read this and I when
Speaker 1: I saw that line, Haley was like, we got married
Speaker 1: last night. I beats it out of my trail because
Speaker 1: James and I shared a trailer and I busted out
Speaker 1: of my trailer and I ran. I banged on his story,
Speaker 1: like teach, what did he say? He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Crazy but that we could have
Speaker 1: ended the show and everything was wrapped up. Everything was
Speaker 1: nice and tidy. You two getting married was the hook
Speaker 1: where people were like, wait, what this? It was smart
Speaker 1: and back. It was very smart. It was very smart.
Speaker 1: Inquiring minds want to know, how's this marriage going to play? Book? Girls?
Speaker 1: You talk about it amongst yourselves. I love you. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? We want to we want to
Speaker 1: cheer on whatever you're working on. Oh thank you. I
Speaker 1: am you did a show, did a show last night
Speaker 1: in Nashville. And I have some writing sessions and recording
Speaker 1: stuff that I've been just getting into. And there's just
Speaker 1: so many schedules to juggle and I had so many
Speaker 1: of these things already set up, and I'm only here
Speaker 1: for a week. So unfortunately this is my only give
Speaker 1: us our new favorite record. Joy, I love you, girls. Hey,
Speaker 1: talk about how much good music there was in this episode,
Speaker 1: by the way, because the music in this episode was amazing.
Speaker 1: Talk about Okay and Brooklyn so delicious with all of
Speaker 1: the stuff with Nikki and I love I love their
Speaker 1: schemes and Okay, too many notes, I love you one
Speaker 1: to three ravens never more, goodbye, goodbye, I love you. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have had like a bonkers week. Um yeah, what
Speaker 1: can we say about Joy while she's not here? She'll
Speaker 1: love that? Oh my god. You know what I loved
Speaker 1: Okay because the thing I have written under the satin
Speaker 1: bra and all caps is um, I loved Joy chose
Speaker 1: to play that scene. I saw her do two things,
Speaker 1: like they come in from the rain and Nathan gets undressed,
Speaker 1: and she has this very beautiful, like feminine reaction to him,
Speaker 1: like she she allows her attraction to take her by
Speaker 1: surprise as Haley, and then she makes a distance. Is
Speaker 1: this exactly? I saw her realize that for the first time,
Speaker 1: because she's been attracted to Nathan as Haley for so long,
Speaker 1: but for the first time, her attraction didn't make her uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and she realized she was ready. This time, she had
Speaker 1: the power in that moment. And that's a lovely way
Speaker 1: to be in control of your sexual ality is when
Speaker 1: you feel in total control and you're hungry for it.
Speaker 1: You know, no one wants to eat a meal when
Speaker 1: they're not hungry. But but if you haven't had anything
Speaker 1: all day and you're like, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 1: to eat this entire plate of Nathan Great. I was
Speaker 1: expecting for the analogy, but I'm with you, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to eat that boy. Yeah. But here's my question
Speaker 1: was why wasn't Haley cheering at the game? Did I
Speaker 1: miss something like? Wasn't she on the squad? I? I
Speaker 1: was wondering. Also, I think she just did the Sparkle
Speaker 1: Classic with us and then we convinced her to be
Speaker 1: on the squad for real in the later seasons. Has
Speaker 1: she not cheered at a game? We're gonna need somebody
Speaker 1: to weigh in on this. I was just like, I
Speaker 1: don't think she did. Yeah, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think it was just the Sparkle Classic either way, Frankly,
Speaker 1: I was mad she wasn't down there with us winking
Speaker 1: and smiling and hold hands. Um. It was interesting to
Speaker 1: me that that they did decide to use the turn
Speaker 1: and wink to you multiple times. I was like, are
Speaker 1: are we using it as a flashback? Like what why
Speaker 1: do we keep repeating this? But I realized I think
Speaker 1: they did it not well as a device to try
Speaker 1: to lead the audience on the mystery Brooke is going
Speaker 1: to betray Peyton? You know? I mean that, me knowing
Speaker 1: what's going to happen never bought the misdirect. Are there
Speaker 1: people out there? They did, like, are there people out there?
Speaker 1: If you if you guys really believed the Who's going
Speaker 1: to betray Peyton? You need to send us a note
Speaker 1: because yeah, fans, will you tell us? I mean, Brooks
Speaker 1: a good actress shadow hanging out in the My God,
Speaker 1: that was so could go out as soon as like,
Speaker 1: as soon as that scene came on, I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's a choice we made in the makeup trailer. James Brooks,
Speaker 1: I'm a grown up and I have a fake I
Speaker 1: d eyeshadow. Yeah, don't I look twenty used to wear
Speaker 1: a lot of lilac eyeshadow. Maybe it's time for that
Speaker 1: to come back. Honestly, I have a lilac jacket that
Speaker 1: I like so much, so maybe I should just do
Speaker 1: a whole you used to match your makeup with your
Speaker 1: clothes all the time. Oh yeah, that was like Kelly
Speaker 1: Jefferson and I who y'all know, we've talked about our
Speaker 1: wonderful makeup artist on the show that was That was
Speaker 1: a Kelly Jefferson. She was like, I think, this girl
Speaker 1: who's so into fashion but also is a teenager, I
Speaker 1: would think it's really cool to match her eyeshadow too
Speaker 1: her outfits. And I was like, I'm obsessed with this.
Speaker 1: We're getting the note that it's season three that Hayley
Speaker 1: became a cheerleader because Brooke asked her to join the
Speaker 1: squad after newcomer Rachel Gettina tries to take over the squad. Hey,
Speaker 1: all right, one of our favorite a good team that
Speaker 1: helps us with this stuff. You want to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about all those scenes between Chad and James
Speaker 1: because they they played so well together. Chad did such
Speaker 1: a good job, James did such a good job. It's
Speaker 1: like they had the whole will they or won't they
Speaker 1: relationship this whole season. So for them to end up
Speaker 1: in that space at the River Court in the end,
Speaker 1: it was just I was so touched by it because
Speaker 1: it ran this really beautiful arc of Nathan trying to
Speaker 1: help Lucas rehab them sharing in all of this experience
Speaker 1: of Dan and him just being so vicious with them
Speaker 1: as the substitute coach, and then that beautiful night shot
Speaker 1: on the river court where all of Walmington's lit up
Speaker 1: and Nathan says, I never thought during that first game
Speaker 1: that I'd be here feeling like this, I'm gonna miss you.
Speaker 1: And when he says, you know, because you're a great
Speaker 1: basketball player, and they both almost laughed but they don't,
Speaker 1: and then he says, and you're my brother cried. I
Speaker 1: was like, chili bumps up as you're talking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm actually like teary eyed again. It really watching them,
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan have that moment, it really got me.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. It's sad to see Lucas's family that
Speaker 1: he thought he had falling apart. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: a maternal person and a paternal person and they're basically
Speaker 1: splitting up and he's having to pick which person he's
Speaker 1: going to go with. And so for him to finally
Speaker 1: have this new solid family member who loves his best
Speaker 1: friend and who cares about him and who stands up
Speaker 1: for him to Dan in the locker room, Like Nathan's
Speaker 1: fight with Dan and the locker room was it was
Speaker 1: so bad, and him hauling Dan on being a coward
Speaker 1: and not being a team player back then, and Dan
Speaker 1: like being so ashamed in front of all those boys.
Speaker 1: Tis like, I'm good, that's fine, I have to leave.
Speaker 1: I mean, the that relationship Nathan and Luke was something
Speaker 1: that was fun to watch because it's not like, I mean,
Speaker 1: at that point were we all hanging out outside of work.
Speaker 1: I think by the end of the season, we were
Speaker 1: all just like working twenty hour days and going home
Speaker 1: and going to sleep. And so Chad James's relationship, the
Speaker 1: way they were able to just come to work and
Speaker 1: lock into that without they weren't living together at that point.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, It's just they made it look so easy.
Speaker 1: Just Okay, we're gonna love each other now and they're
Speaker 1: walking talks are really strong. Um. Hailey scene with Chad though,
Speaker 1: was for me the saddest scene where she's like, I'm scared,
Speaker 1: what do you mean You're not going to be here?
Speaker 1: And then she starts listening all this stuff that I
Speaker 1: like to do. She's like, who's gonna go thrift store
Speaker 1: shopping with me and who's gonna go get dumb records?
Speaker 1: And I'm just like Hi, It's like hill, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I still don't understand Lucas moving away. I don't know
Speaker 1: why that was part of like I always think there's
Speaker 1: like a double reason why they do stuff. Was it
Speaker 1: because Chad was doing a movie? They knew he was
Speaker 1: doing a movie, and they knew they couldn't bring him
Speaker 1: back right away? I don't really know, but I think
Speaker 1: he is back right away. I really think that they
Speaker 1: but that they used that. You know, Haley and Nathan
Speaker 1: getting married was a cliffhanger. Lucas going away with Keith
Speaker 1: was a cliffhanger. By the way, when you said, you know,
Speaker 1: inquiring minds want to know what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: this married teenage couple, and are minds want to know
Speaker 1: who left a serial killer envelope on Peyton's door? That's right?
Speaker 1: I was like, what is that? Who left that? And guys,
Speaker 1: I really don't remember? And so I think that they
Speaker 1: wanted with every kind of couplet, they wanted us to
Speaker 1: have these cliff hairs. Dan's having a heart attack, Deb
Speaker 1: finds him, Karen and Deb have been at the game together.
Speaker 1: And that's so lay because when we first see them,
Speaker 1: we don't know that Dan has told Deb this story
Speaker 1: of I didn't want me with you, I was leaving
Speaker 1: you to go back to Karen, and Deb still chooses
Speaker 1: to sit with Karen at the game that Dan is coaching.
Speaker 1: That is some deep drama in a small town. Well,
Speaker 1: and I almost feel like because him saying that to her,
Speaker 1: you know, she realizes that she's been just as screwed
Speaker 1: over by him as Karen was. Well, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: mean she talks about the first time she him. How
Speaker 1: many times have there been? Do we think? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Almost got me? So she talks out the first time
Speaker 1: she tried to leave him, and then she gets like
Speaker 1: suckered back into it and that sinking feeling of knowing
Speaker 1: I was almost out of this, but I came back
Speaker 1: because I thought you really loved me. And now you're
Speaker 1: telling me this whole time I was pick number two,
Speaker 1: Like I could have gone off without feeling guilty before.
Speaker 1: It's gross. It is really Yeah, Well, she gets her,
Speaker 1: she gets her payback. With the keith of it all.
Speaker 1: Why yeah, I still I stand by it. We got robbed.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Barbara and Craig schefferd make out
Speaker 1: so bad because there was so much chemistry. Do you
Speaker 1: think it's like a director's cut somewhere. We gotta ask
Speaker 1: Barb like did they actually shoot a love scene? Did
Speaker 1: it not make it? Because remember our scripts were so long,
Speaker 1: you guys, we would shoot so much stuff that would
Speaker 1: get cut down. I get so pissed. I did a
Speaker 1: whole storyline once. There's an episode in season two I
Speaker 1: think that I'm not in because I shot an entire
Speaker 1: like storyline that was separate from everyone else about me
Speaker 1: going to hang out with this foster kid. And I
Speaker 1: remember episode it wasn't in. I'm like, we worked for
Speaker 1: days on this, but it was just because we didn't
Speaker 1: have any like well, we just we didn't have time.
Speaker 1: That was always the thing. We didn't have time. I
Speaker 1: remember when we did the in season three, the school
Speaker 1: shooting episode, and I got to shoot this amazing monologue
Speaker 1: just having a meltdown about you know what all these
Speaker 1: news reporters were doing when like my best friend was
Speaker 1: inside and how this was the worst day of our lives,
Speaker 1: and like they were just trying to get sound bites
Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, we loved it. We didn't
Speaker 1: have time, so they put it on the extra scenes
Speaker 1: on the DVD at the end of the season. I
Speaker 1: was like, cool, I'm really glad, I really glad. I'm
Speaker 1: prepared for that, and just left my whole heart on
Speaker 1: the floor. Though for like streaming services, do they have
Speaker 1: extra scenes like that we used to have on the DVDs?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Oh my god, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know either. I don't know how it could be,
Speaker 1: Like do you have to own the DVD in order
Speaker 1: to get all that bonus footage. Let's talk about Barry
Speaker 1: a little bit, because by the scene that he has
Speaker 1: when Luke comes to see him, it's clear that like
Speaker 1: he's having more trouble than Luke is having. Luke's doing
Speaker 1: all the right things. He's going around, he's saying goodbye
Speaker 1: to everyone, he's being an adult, you know, or is
Speaker 1: as much adult as he can be, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to right all the wrongs. And you see this coach
Speaker 1: who doesn't have any children of his own, and who
Speaker 1: knows what this boy is going through and has watched
Speaker 1: his trajectory go from like smiling real big, like You're
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Take care of Keith Man. I love you, guys.
Speaker 1: We find out that Keith has like gone to sit
Speaker 1: with Whitey after every single home game win or lose,
Speaker 1: when when Chad leans in and hugs him and we
Speaker 1: see his face just crack over Chad's shoulder and then
Speaker 1: he has to regroup as Chad pulls back out. They
Speaker 1: were so good together. Yeah, and Barry, I mean, what
Speaker 1: a force like man. Now as an adult, I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I wish I'd just gone to work on all the
Speaker 1: days Barry was working and I was. He was. He
Speaker 1: was like a champion, like a nationally ranked champion in
Speaker 1: like the Jeopardy game that they play in Bars, the
Speaker 1: trivia game. I remember that I was there for some
Speaker 1: of those nights. The other thing I noticed, too, is
Speaker 1: that Barry Corbin has the most beautiful hands on the planet.
Speaker 1: Did you see him holding the basketball? And he's got
Speaker 1: these like angelic soft looking hands he does, which doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense because he's been like a ranch guy
Speaker 1: kind of life. What is that, Mike? What does he do?
Speaker 1: Does he go home at night and like put basselin
Speaker 1: on him and stick him in socks? What if Barry
Speaker 1: got manicures on a regular basis. That would be fun.
Speaker 1: I want Barry Corbin to become a TikTok influencer so badly,
Speaker 1: just like teach us stuff, Barry, how do we take
Speaker 1: care of our of our hands and horses? Hands and
Speaker 1: horses with Barry hands and horses done? Um? Okay with
Speaker 1: it's the new. It's the new, Bob Ross and I'm
Speaker 1: so ready for um. You know what was fun to um?
Speaker 1: Speaking of the world of basketball on our show, I
Speaker 1: got so geeked to see Brendan Kurs. Oh that's everyone
Speaker 1: is guys. Brendan Kersh are sweet sweet basketball coordinator who
Speaker 1: had been a basketball coach, who's just the loveliest man,
Speaker 1: played the like you know, locker room medic in this episode,
Speaker 1: and Brendan was with us through the entire course of
Speaker 1: our show. One of James's best friends, Brendan kersh and
Speaker 1: Lisa Goldstein, who played Millicent in the later seasons, ended
Speaker 1: up getting married. Like isn't it crazy? Like such, he's
Speaker 1: such a such a good suite, just like one Tree
Speaker 1: Hill guy, I babysat his daughter for like five years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that man. And I forgot.
Speaker 1: This was his first time on camera and it was
Speaker 1: so fun to see him, and he, by the way,
Speaker 1: was a good actor. He did a good job. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Brendan Kersh can act.
Speaker 1: Could have heard more of this. As the seasons went on,
Speaker 1: we got to to put more and more of our
Speaker 1: own personal experiences into the show, and I think by
Speaker 1: the time we reached this episode, we were so sick
Speaker 1: of just shaking our pom poms at the games and
Speaker 1: just going yeah, cool, oh yeah. The chance that we
Speaker 1: were doing were real chance that I was doing in
Speaker 1: high school at Park View, And so when I I
Speaker 1: totally forgot that that we were doing like real cheers
Speaker 1: that I knew that, I was like, guys, if we
Speaker 1: do this, And so as we're doing like, let's go
Speaker 1: Ravens in this episode, in my mind, I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: go Patriots, And then when we say Ravens, I'm used,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, hold on a second, my reality is
Speaker 1: melding here. Um. But it was cool that we could
Speaker 1: just like say, what are we supposed to be doing here? Oh?
Speaker 1: I know, let's just do this. It's super easy, super fast,
Speaker 1: and and to have two different high schools to claim.
Speaker 1: The Other thing that was really weird for me is
Speaker 1: that Lucas missing the shot is exactly what happened in
Speaker 1: our state championship game at Parkfet High School in football
Speaker 1: my senior year. We went to States. We had been
Speaker 1: undefeated for years, like all four years of high school,
Speaker 1: totally undefeated. We go in the championship game is on
Speaker 1: a college field where the goal posts are just a
Speaker 1: little bit narrower than they are in a high school field,
Speaker 1: and it came down to a field goal. One point
Speaker 1: is all we needed, and this sweet, sweet boy who
Speaker 1: shall remain nameless, was our kicker, and the ball hit
Speaker 1: the goal post the same way that Lucas's shot hits
Speaker 1: the rim there and knowing that that kid just wants
Speaker 1: to crawl into a hole and die, and so I
Speaker 1: ran across the field and kissed him, um, which is
Speaker 1: usually how I fixed things. But no one kissed Lucas. No,
Speaker 1: he's just no. He had to go to the locker
Speaker 1: room and get yelled at by day. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: neither Brook or Peyton felt it was their responsibility. You know,
Speaker 1: Nathan taps him on the shoulder, they're there, pal, and
Speaker 1: everyone just lets him sit on the floor of the gym. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you you you have. I got plans tonight. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. She's like, I'm getting married tonight. Everyone thinks
Speaker 1: I've been talking about sex this whole time, but I'm
Speaker 1: getting married. That is nuts. Did you know anybody that
Speaker 1: was married super young like that? Like we had a
Speaker 1: lot of chicks have babies in high school. That was
Speaker 1: really common, but nobody. I don't think anybody was married.
Speaker 1: She carried a duffel bag to Yeah, the duffel bag.
Speaker 1: I was like, where are they going? Are they eloping?
Speaker 1: Are they going to Vegas? Like, what's happening. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna wrap this little dress up, put a duffel bag.
Speaker 1: No one will know. I'm gone. Where are her parents? Well?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that in later seasons? Maybe it's in
Speaker 1: season two, there's like flashbacks to their wedding and you
Speaker 1: find out their parents. Oh my god, her parents were
Speaker 1: there because they had to give them permission. So here's
Speaker 1: what's crazy. I didn't I didn't remember almost any of
Speaker 1: this episode, aside from are like winking, wink your face,
Speaker 1: Like I forgot that that you know we did the
Speaker 1: misdirect and that we plotted the whole thing to send
Speaker 1: Nikki across, Like I have a sense memory of that.
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, but we used to go drinking there,
Speaker 1: so I could have it could have been any Thursday night,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that we were on set, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I really remember, I think because we were all so like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're getting married. I remember so much
Speaker 1: of the Nathan and Haley marriage storyline. I don't remember
Speaker 1: any of my own. Yeah, it is bonkers to me
Speaker 1: that we went with it and like stuck with it
Speaker 1: for years and then it worked, like it truly worked
Speaker 1: and sent a really strange expectation for the rest of
Speaker 1: the country of like, girl just made that kid, It'll
Speaker 1: be fine. But then I guess death must have signed
Speaker 1: the paperwork too, right, I don't know, because she went
Speaker 1: to that basketball game knowing that Nathan was be married
Speaker 1: after the basketball game and that she was going to
Speaker 1: go burn Dan stuff and have sex with Keith. Like
Speaker 1: that's a whole bag of weird. It's a lot that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have trouble analyzing. Also, I just want to
Speaker 1: keep going back to our glancing at each other. How
Speaker 1: came us glancing at each other isn't a meme yet,
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like I need that to be
Speaker 1: the meme that we are the gift or whatever the
Speaker 1: kids call it. Are there gifts? I feel like we
Speaker 1: deserve gifts of us just looking at each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also feel like we need we need more like
Speaker 1: gift stickers like an Instagram. Where are all the gifts
Speaker 1: of our show? And those little stickers? So I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Crafts and crafts, young technologically
Speaker 1: brilliant listeners, Can you help us solve this mystery? The
Speaker 1: greatest line of the whole show, besides the one about
Speaker 1: Karen being staggering, you know what it is. I know
Speaker 1: what it is Karen saying the line, and I didn't
Speaker 1: remember where it came from because it became such a
Speaker 1: thing in our show that it was ubiquitous. It was
Speaker 1: who we were. And to see them Karen and tears,
Speaker 1: not wanting to say goodbye to her son and saying
Speaker 1: there is only one tree hill and it's your Oh oh,
Speaker 1: even I was so. I was so just like shot
Speaker 1: in the heart by it. I took my notes and
Speaker 1: I capitalized the words that she really emphasized with her intonation.
Speaker 1: One and home and I was like, man, this is
Speaker 1: well and it's the thing that like people bring us,
Speaker 1: you know, things to sign at conventions, and that is
Speaker 1: always there. And it was really like the first time
Speaker 1: the title of our show made sense. Um, we've done.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like one tree Hill. What Everyone's like, why is it?
Speaker 1: They're like, if we're going to wrap this up, we've
Speaker 1: got to make sense of this. Um. But yes, it
Speaker 1: is an iconic line from the show, amongst a ton
Speaker 1: of other iconic material in this episode. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: if it had ended here, it could it would have
Speaker 1: been Okay. I'm so glad it didn't. Um. But I
Speaker 1: feel like we were put in a really like healthy
Speaker 1: spot that it wasn't like trauma. So many of our
Speaker 1: cliffhangers in later seasons were all about trauma, and the
Speaker 1: cliffhangers here were just really about feelings and well, I
Speaker 1: guess Dan's going through some trauma but we don't really care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like karmac retribution on Dan's part. Fine, fine,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Let him Dan, Dan. Hey, do we
Speaker 1: have any listener questions hit us? I think we do. Um. Oh, man, girl,
Speaker 1: this is this is savage. Christine, what should trying to
Speaker 1: say here, what was your favorite and least favorite? It's
Speaker 1: season one style, can I say everything? No, girl, you
Speaker 1: rocked a halter top. You in a halter top was deadly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I did like Actually, now that, now
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about it, the Night of the Boy
Speaker 1: Toy auction brooks little like sixties super outfit. I loved that,
Speaker 1: but like the super low rise Hawaiian print skirts that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with actual Hawaii, and like bad
Speaker 1: tank tops, God just bury them, plase or burn them strift.
Speaker 1: It was a really difficult thing to navigate. I have
Speaker 1: a very long torso it's an incredibly long You're no,
Speaker 1: you're you're not doing yourself very kindly. You are just
Speaker 1: very long. You are like a long, lean, elegant person.
Speaker 1: My belly button doesn't sit where other people's belly button sits,
Speaker 1: So when you have low rise things on the shirt
Speaker 1: covers the belly button, then all you see is it's
Speaker 1: just like strip a lash and it's not cute. And
Speaker 1: every other girl had cute little belly buttons with their
Speaker 1: little piercings and things hanging out. Oh god, mid just
Speaker 1: are so hard. We're never going back to that right. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: just although I did, I did definitely see some things
Speaker 1: hitting the inner webs about how like fashion shows now
Speaker 1: that things are back from COVID, Like people are doing
Speaker 1: low right there, like the nineties are back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: not for me or two thousand four or whatever they are. No,
Speaker 1: we had those Rock and Republic genes and they were
Speaker 1: so low. But that's the waist is not what held
Speaker 1: the pant up. It's that the thighs were so tight
Speaker 1: that the butt, the but part could be as like
Speaker 1: open and weekly as possible. It's just the thighs held
Speaker 1: everything up. It was a rough time, guys. It's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a no for me. Yeah, I mean okay,
Speaker 1: so your favorite was the sixties? What did you like?
Speaker 1: What did you like for Peyton? Obviously where we know
Speaker 1: you're not a fan of the Geese, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of sorting out with Peyton. I think in the
Speaker 1: season two I just wear thermal shirts and baby T
Speaker 1: shirts the entire season, which is not my favorite thing either. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was uncomfortable so much on this show until Carol
Speaker 1: showed up in what season four? Um, I think that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of I always too, because I'm not good
Speaker 1: at fashion in real life. I was so hesitant to
Speaker 1: give my opinion on anything because it was like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know, you guys tell
Speaker 1: me what I should be wearing. And as I've gotten older,
Speaker 1: I've learned that that's not a great idea unless it's
Speaker 1: you putting me in a power suit, like you're the
Speaker 1: only person addressed my body with its long, weird doors. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I liked fashion on other people. Joy had
Speaker 1: so many good looks, like her clothes. I honestly, Haley's
Speaker 1: clothes were I know, they put her in that stupid hat,
Speaker 1: they made up for it. Mostly her clothes were the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She had that pretty and pink moment with the party
Speaker 1: in Nathan's apartment and the dinner party with Nathan's family
Speaker 1: was super cute. And her little foxy juicy seen this
Speaker 1: episode well, and that cute like tank top peeking out
Speaker 1: from that wide yeah last episode. I loved that. I'd
Speaker 1: wear that now. Yeah, I'm telling she's a time traveler.
Speaker 1: Yeah she really know all right, Thanks Christine for pointing
Speaker 1: out our weaknesses. I appreciate you. We got another question
Speaker 1: from page. She says, what was your schedule like when filming?
Speaker 1: In between filming? Did you have a break between seasons
Speaker 1: and what did you do for fun during that time? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a hiatus after every year, and so if
Speaker 1: this aired in May, that means we would have shot
Speaker 1: it in March ish April, March April. Yeah, because we
Speaker 1: didn't have a long lead time, we would always go
Speaker 1: till the end of April. So we ended filming not
Speaker 1: knowing if we were going to be picked up because
Speaker 1: they don't normally pick you up until end of May,
Speaker 1: beginning of June, you know, Like, but then you've got
Speaker 1: to be back at work July t which I know
Speaker 1: because it was always two days after pay. So we
Speaker 1: ended not really knowing what was going to happen. And
Speaker 1: it's like, well do I go and try to book
Speaker 1: a job, Like what do I do? What do you
Speaker 1: do this summer after season one? Well, it's so hard
Speaker 1: to try to book a job because most jobs won't
Speaker 1: take you because your TV show has a thing called
Speaker 1: first position, meaning they're the ones who basically own you.
Speaker 1: And so if you get another job and then your
Speaker 1: TV show gets picked up, then the job you're working
Speaker 1: on is just screwed. So it was really hard. It
Speaker 1: was really hard to find jobs that would fit in
Speaker 1: that tiny hiatus window of May June because nothing, nothing
Speaker 1: gets done before July ninth, because it's the fourth of
Speaker 1: July in the US, So you had to kind of
Speaker 1: try to find something that would fit in there. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was like running around, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to work on little movies and learn stuff. And it
Speaker 1: definitely took me a couple of years, Like like you
Speaker 1: were saying with feedback with fashion, it took me a
Speaker 1: couple of years to be like, oh, yeah, I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't go do a job just because it shoots in
Speaker 1: my hiatus. If the script, girl, I'm not actually gonna
Speaker 1: learn anything there. But I was like, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: and I didn't know anything. So I made some really
Speaker 1: great movies and some that were not so great. But
Speaker 1: that's just part of the Yeah, I mean, that was
Speaker 1: the summer after Season one, I went and did my
Speaker 1: very first movie with Jason Ritter and Autumn Research and
Speaker 1: Beth Grant and Alison Janny and Cheryl Hines. Incredible was
Speaker 1: like summer camp and it was such an easy, chill
Speaker 1: set and our set had been so spastic that I
Speaker 1: was just like, what the heck is this? And like,
Speaker 1: Jason was number one on the call sheet on that movie,
Speaker 1: A perfect human. He's a perfect human, and he was
Speaker 1: such a good leader, and I I felt like I
Speaker 1: learned a lot from him just about like empathy on
Speaker 1: set and not knowing what everyone's going through and making
Speaker 1: everything real light, like he keeps stuff light, but he's
Speaker 1: still really caring. And so that was a perfect person
Speaker 1: for me to work with after the chaos of One
Speaker 1: Tree Hole because it really was like bananas on our set,
Speaker 1: and that was a safe place to land. Plus I
Speaker 1: went to Tennessee where a drink moonshine for the first time.
Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. And we would send karaoke at
Speaker 1: the Papa top Um. So I felt like I picked
Speaker 1: those hiatus jobs just based on where they were, mean,
Speaker 1: because it was like New Orleans. You and I both
Speaker 1: did that. We both did New Orleans. We live in
Speaker 1: New Orleans for the summer. Yeah, I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to go there by done um, So yeah, it
Speaker 1: was you know, I think it was important for us
Speaker 1: to take breaks because we were shooting a show about
Speaker 1: school and we were shooting it kind of during like
Speaker 1: school year, and then we'd get our summers off, and
Speaker 1: so I still felt like I was in high school
Speaker 1: until we were what we were following the same cycle.
Speaker 1: By the way, I still kind of followed that cycle,
Speaker 1: like I do nothing. It's actually so funny. I remember
Speaker 1: Joy and I once we were like sitting around talking
Speaker 1: one night. We were like, hasn't been kind of weird?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Do you think are we like a
Speaker 1: little emotionally stunted because we were basically in high school
Speaker 1: til we were yes, yes, does it? Does it hold
Speaker 1: you back? And I was like, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's why we feel young and foxy and fabulous, Like
Speaker 1: maybe it's a positive thing. But yeah, it was very
Speaker 1: weird to to sort of repeat high school for the
Speaker 1: decade after high school. I mean, it's crazy. I tried
Speaker 1: to explain. I've got all these people helping me with
Speaker 1: the renovation here, Like there's house painters and there's like
Speaker 1: carpenters and things, and they're all twenty five, and I
Speaker 1: think like, hey man, we're peers. And then I realized
Speaker 1: I'm the old lady. They're like, hey, you're like my
Speaker 1: mom's age, and I'm just cool, tell me more kids.
Speaker 1: You're like, Wow, Mom's age, Mom's and I are hanging out.
Speaker 1: You guys like jin Blossoms. What baby? You want to
Speaker 1: spin a wheel? I want to get you to bed.
Speaker 1: I've been working so hard. I'm so proud of you
Speaker 1: than I mean same. I just wish I had a
Speaker 1: little time off and I could come help you. Lasyalo
Speaker 1: all right, wheel most likely to win the Nobel Peace Prize,
Speaker 1: I mean probably you. You're the advocate. So Fie is like,
Speaker 1: is there a problem? I'm here to solve it? Check
Speaker 1: out the hook while my DJ disolves it. Oh my god, dear,
Speaker 1: I know you are a problem solver, and you are
Speaker 1: tenacious and infatiguable, and you have already made such a
Speaker 1: difference in so many people's lives. I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of like a no DA. So you don't get to
Speaker 1: fight me on that. That's a big duh. But you
Speaker 1: get to pick the person the character in the show.
Speaker 1: H gosh. I'm just trying to sit here and swallow
Speaker 1: you more than anybody. I was wearing my I'm a
Speaker 1: Voter shirt yesterday. Today I'm wearing my Tyler Hilton's shirt, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: what would I do with that our cast to give
Speaker 1: me clothes. I love it. I love it. The urch
Speaker 1: is so good. Um gosh, a character on our show.
Speaker 1: I would most likely win the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean,
Speaker 1: is it weird that Karen comes to mind? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm just like she was the most
Speaker 1: together person who was doing things like gentle Like in
Speaker 1: the grown up years, was there anybody doing anything like
Speaker 1: political or advocacy. We didn't really get into politics. I mean,
Speaker 1: mouth in the grown up years becomes a journal. Okay,
Speaker 1: so probably always big mouth. It's always mouth, but that's
Speaker 1: because he's perfect, like the rest of us are a mess.
Speaker 1: But you know he would he would probably be here.
Speaker 1: I love it. He would like he would tell some
Speaker 1: crazy story. He'd win a Pulitzer, and then he'd win
Speaker 1: a Nobel Peace Prize and all would be right to
Speaker 1: cover some like crazy injustice, shine a light on it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm into that, don't you think, set Um. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to come back for season two. I'm gonna level with you,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to address my hair in season two
Speaker 1: because I burnt it all off the summer between one
Speaker 1: and two. So once I get over that hurdle. It's
Speaker 1: an emotional block for me. Um, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: get into it because season two is bonkers. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I don't remember season two because we were having a
Speaker 1: really good time. Um, I love you so much. I
Speaker 1: want you to go get some rest. I want all
Speaker 1: of you to rest up, because season two is going
Speaker 1: to be a banger. Episode one is the desperate Kingdom
Speaker 1: of Love. God. That's okay, let's get desperate. Friends, We
Speaker 1: love you. We'll get desperate, but in a fun way. Hey,
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