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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Move the Sticks. For today's podcast,

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Speaker 1: we have a special football baseball crossover focused on team building.

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Speaker 1: You know him as the lead draft analyst on NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: He's also a color commentator for the Los Angeles Chargers.

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Speaker 1: He scouted for the Ravens, Browns, and Eagles. It's Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: He played five years in the NFL as a cornerback

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Speaker 1: and return man. Scouted for the Seahawks and Panthers, and

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Speaker 1: was a legend for the Tar Heels. It's Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, d J. Bucky here Moved the Sticks

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Speaker 1: as we continue on our special crossover edition of the

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Speaker 1: Move the Stix podcast. How you doing, Bucky Man? I'm great, DJ. Look.

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Speaker 1: Part one of this project was outstanding having on general

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Speaker 1: managers to talk about what they look for in players

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Speaker 1: in building teams. But part two is even better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is something I think you guys are really going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy. UH. This is a conversation unlike the first one,

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Speaker 1: which was all with with general managers and people have

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Speaker 1: filled that position, this one is with former players, current coaches,

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Speaker 1: UH and some other media members that really understand the game.

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Speaker 1: Of baseball and and some carry over there to how

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Speaker 1: it helps us in the evaluation process as football evaluators

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Speaker 1: and team builders. So I think you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: us off is Mark de rosa former baseball player. You

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Speaker 1: remember Hm as a utility player, played both in the

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Speaker 1: A fantastic background as a player. Is one of the

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Speaker 1: best analysts on television as well, you'll see him on

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Speaker 1: MLB Network, but also as a football background. He played

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Speaker 1: our conversation with Mark de Rosa. All right, Mark, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time for us today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll start out with the easy question, how

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Speaker 1: are you a Cowboys fan? You know, easy answer. I

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Speaker 1: my dad and be different, and he was a Cowboy fan,

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Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, the Cowboys it was

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Speaker 1: to be honest here. I grew up a Cowboy fan

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Speaker 1: over a hundred and sixty two games schedule. How important

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get yelled at. Whereas in football, you jump

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Speaker 1: off sides on fourth and one is a defensive lineman.

431
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Speaker 1: We're pulling you off there in yourr scream map. Obviously,

432
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Speaker 1: the stadium environment is a little bit different. I'm just

433
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Speaker 1: curious behind closed doors, are there ever those moments where

434
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Speaker 1: you gotta get into somebody. I don't know if get

435
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Speaker 1: into him, but it's one of those that, Uh, Kevin Cash,

436
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: our manager, gets mad at me because I'm like Hey,

437
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 1: it's just a teachable moment. You know, it's no big

438
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Speaker 1: deal where we even had a guy at second base

439
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Speaker 1: for two days and he gets picked off on an

440
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Speaker 1: inside move and we're all staring at each other going

441
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Speaker 1: with our skins crawling. But the guy knows he messed up.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of those things that maybe after the

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Speaker 1: game we visit him kind of see, hey, what were

444
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Speaker 1: you thinking? Help me out? Just maybe just let me

445
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: sleep a little better that I can help you figure

446
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: out why you just spaced out. But that's when it's

447
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty two games and all this happens.

448
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna make mental mistakes. We just want to minimize

449
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: them and then put them in a comfortable position where

450
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: if we do things aggressively, it's okay. So we as

451
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: raised as the organization, encourage failure to find out your limitations.

452
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Speaker 1: So it's a little bit easier in baseball, for sure,

453
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Speaker 1: with that many games. In football, I always give him

454
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Speaker 1: a hard time, like why are you guys upset? Upset?

455
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: It's just one loss, And I'm like, well, that's like

456
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: you gotta wait a week to go yeah, and it's

457
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Speaker 1: you know, almost ten percent of your season. And if

458
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Speaker 1: you lose two weeks in a row, you know you

459
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Speaker 1: may have a little bit of right. Yeah, so it's

460
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Speaker 1: a lot easier to lose two games in a row

461
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Speaker 1: and baseball and kind of let it roll off your

462
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Speaker 1: shoulders and realize maybe you face two bad, two tough

463
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: pictures in a row, or you're on the road for

464
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Speaker 1: all these that's making up at home. Where in football

465
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Speaker 1: it's not that case. Uh, last question for you, I'm

466
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Speaker 1: just curious the best athlete on a baseball field that

467
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Speaker 1: you've ever played with against or watch anything, Just the

468
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Speaker 1: best athlete who wasn't I'll tell you what. My players

469
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Speaker 1: will hate me saying this, but it's pretty tough to

470
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Speaker 1: look at the Yankees right now and the other dugout

471
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Speaker 1: with Stanton and Judge, and I mean, they're pretty impressive

472
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Speaker 1: human beings, little loan baseball players. But I'd like to

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Speaker 1: I think he might be able to go to a

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Speaker 1: couple of spots on the football field. It's pretty intimidating,

475
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Speaker 1: especially when you guys get on first or playing first

476
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Speaker 1: base and we have a guy six four to forty

477
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Speaker 1: and the guys getting dwarf by Judge, and but we

478
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Speaker 1: hang with him. So we're all right. You know, Bucky.

479
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Speaker 1: One of the things that stood out to me from

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Speaker 1: that conversation, and he talked about the failure in baseball

481
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Speaker 1: and being able to deal with that and having the

482
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Speaker 1: right mentality to overcome the failure. And I think about

483
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: the evaluation of football players and so many times guys

484
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Speaker 1: that bust it's because they didn't have adversity through their career.

485
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Speaker 1: Didn't have in high school, I didn't have in college.

486
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Speaker 1: They presented with that adversity at the professional level. I

487
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: think of Ryan Leaf. They didn't know how to handle it.

488
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Speaker 1: So baseball is a sport of failure. I think finding

489
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Speaker 1: guys that have a deep background in baseball, I think

490
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Speaker 1: that can help you a little bit as you go

491
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Speaker 1: into football and deal with some of the hardships. Yeah.

492
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Speaker 1: I mean you talk about hitting three hundred is success,

493
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Speaker 1: So that means seven out of ten times you were unsuccessful.

494
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Speaker 1: How do you kind of keep your mind into it?

495
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Speaker 1: How are you able to bounce back? I think we've

496
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Speaker 1: heard so many football coaches in psychologists talk about grit.

497
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Speaker 1: Baseball is more where you have to have great You

498
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Speaker 1: have to have perseverance to be able to savave. All Right,

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Speaker 1: this is. Uh. This is the highlight of the episode

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Speaker 1: to me because it's a guy that I know we

501
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Speaker 1: both admired growing up in the era we grew up in.

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Speaker 1: Is there a better nickname, by the way, than Donnie Baseball?

503
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Speaker 1: I mean, is there is? It's as good as it gets.

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Speaker 1: Although Johnny football did not work out. Johnny football did

505
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Speaker 1: not work out for us at the NFL level with Menzel,

506
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Speaker 1: but but Donnie Baseball Don Mattingly, Yeah, it did work out.

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Speaker 1: Six time All Stars, an a l m v P,

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Speaker 1: nine time Gold Glove Award winner, three times Silver Slugger

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Speaker 1: and Batting Champion. I'm on and on and on. He

510
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Speaker 1: was a Yankees captain from ninety five and had his

511
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Speaker 1: number retired. He's now currently the manager of the Marlins.

512
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Speaker 1: He's managed the Dodgers. He was a hitting coach for

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Speaker 1: the Yankees. Uh. And what we've learned in this conversation

514
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Speaker 1: as Don Mattingley was also a phenomenal all around athlete.

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Speaker 1: All right, Don, first question for you. The the football

516
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: scotting world that I come from, we always throw out

517
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Speaker 1: a phrase start with this guy's a football player, and

518
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Speaker 1: I think about you when your nickname is Donnie Baseball. Hey,

519
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Speaker 1: where did it? Where did it first? Do you first

520
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: hear it? And then what did that mean to you? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, it started with Kirby Puckett. We would do

522
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Speaker 1: a dinner up in Rochester, New York. Uh Kenney Kaiser deceased,

523
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Speaker 1: unfire grey guy, but we would go up there are

524
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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys and you know, you get up

525
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Speaker 1: in the swite or whatever, and you're having fun afterwards.

526
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Speaker 1: And Kirby always talking really fast, and he got baseball, baseball, baseball, baseball,

527
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Speaker 1: you know, and it just somehow it's took it took,

528
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Speaker 1: it took off, and it became Donnie baseball, and and

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Speaker 1: I guess it could be worse, right, that's pretty darn good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll take that one. Do you ever hear that when

531
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Speaker 1: you guys are talking about players, will you ever utter

532
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Speaker 1: the phrase that this guy is just a baseball player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys use that like we're

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Speaker 1: doing football. Oh? Absolutely. Uh. I think when you're looking

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Speaker 1: at guys, you'll say, this guy is a baseball player.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you refer to that, you're a

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Speaker 1: lot of times that means uh. And I think in

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Speaker 1: our minds it's not like the best most talented guy.

539
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Speaker 1: This guy just knows how to play the game, you know,

540
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Speaker 1: and he and he knows how to take advantage you

541
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Speaker 1: got good instincts within the game. Uh. And that's kind

542
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Speaker 1: of where that term I think fits with us. How

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Speaker 1: is the era different from from when you play to

544
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Speaker 1: where it is now? What? What's missing that? What you

545
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Speaker 1: had that they don't have right now? Oh? What they

546
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Speaker 1: do have now? I will I will say it. I

547
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Speaker 1: think a huge change. It's just information, right obviously, the analytics,

548
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: uh data, uh things, it's just off the charts to

549
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Speaker 1: how fast the information gets to you and how fast

550
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Speaker 1: it changes how you're able to evaluate players differently, see

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Speaker 1: them from more of a three sixty view when you

552
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Speaker 1: get that kind of data. Uh. And I think you're

553
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: able to find some diamonds in the rough that people

554
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: kind of maybe passed over because they didn't do this

555
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: or do that. I think the analytics are allowing us

556
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: to specifically say, this guy really is good against this

557
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: type of pitching, this type we can fit him in.

558
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: If we're fit him with another guy, now we've got

559
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: a really whole player. So you know, if you're in

560
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: a smaller market, you're able to put some players together

561
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Speaker 1: that you maybe can't afford that guy that's you know,

562
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Speaker 1: out of your payroll. How do you put together that

563
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: holistic view though with with the numbers, the analytical side,

564
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Speaker 1: but then kind of putting the makeup and adding that

565
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Speaker 1: into the mix. I think you look at it all

566
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Speaker 1: right and I think, um, like what we're trying to

567
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Speaker 1: do in Miami. I think what Derek has done with

568
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Speaker 1: our ownership has really tied us in from bottom to

569
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Speaker 1: top with one vision of where we're going, how are

570
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Speaker 1: we gonna get there, and how we want to all

571
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Speaker 1: work together. We want to make sure our minor leagues

572
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Speaker 1: are connected to our major leagues, make sure our development

573
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Speaker 1: is connected to the major leagues, to have make sure

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Speaker 1: our our whole thinking about what type of player or

575
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Speaker 1: we want, what is our goals? What do we want

576
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: to be as an organization? And I think that's how

577
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: it all starts. How far out into the future do

578
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: you guys have to plan? And when you look at

579
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: the vision for the big league club, how far out

580
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: does that go? Uh? It gets out there. You know,

581
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: when you've got guys in a ball that you're projecting

582
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: that maybe three four years away, you know you've got

583
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Speaker 1: guys on your roster that you may not be able

584
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: to afford. When do we move this guy? And when

585
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: we have to have a guy ready, We got a

586
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: guy at this this position. We're really stacked throughout our

587
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: system with pitching. We can trade with our some of

588
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: our lower level pitching. We've got this guy coming. So

589
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: you've got to know position lee, where you're at as

590
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: an organization, uh, and where are our strengths. So we've

591
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: got to know ourselves, I think better than anyone else.

592
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: We have to know our personnel and what we got

593
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: coming and what we believe and they're going to be.

594
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Speaker 1: And again in our market where we have to be

595
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: able to play with a long term view of continuing

596
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: to build talent, continuing to develop town, we can't probably afford,

597
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, and this is big news right now, Like

598
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: a Steven Strasburg for us is not in our league.

599
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Speaker 1: That that number that they that he's thrown out, that's

600
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: probably three years worth of total payroll for us right now.

601
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: So that puts us in a different category that we

602
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: have to be better at a lot of little things

603
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: than it's somebody else. You talked about knowing your own

604
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: roster and football'll talk about self scouting. You gotta know

605
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: your own roster, know what you need, and then you

606
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: can go shopping forward, whether it's the draft and acquiring players.

607
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of similarity there in the information, all

608
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: the analytics that you get. How is that that flow

609
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: of information go to the player And as if somebody

610
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: was played, how do you how do you custom that

611
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: and taylor that to each inch of an individual guy?

612
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Where maybe one guy wants as much as you can

613
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: give him, other people might be overloaded. Well, I think

614
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: we got to know again back to knowing your personnel.

615
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: Some guys take information and want more of it, uh

616
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: and process it. Other guys don't. Asset is process that

617
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: as well. We gotta know who those guys are. We

618
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: have to be able to bring information. It always kind

619
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Speaker 1: of for us goes back to what are your strengths?

620
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Speaker 1: How do we use your strengths to the best of

621
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Speaker 1: our ability? And then we take that other information and

622
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: try to build in a game plan for that guy. Uh,

623
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Speaker 1: as if it's a picture or if it's a hitter,

624
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: how are we using your strengths in the best way

625
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: to help you maximize performance? I love that in baseball

626
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: sport of failure and football. I know when I go

627
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: back and look at quarterbacks that I've missed one of

628
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: the one of the things that I've missed on is

629
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Speaker 1: they hadn't really been through much adversity in college. First

630
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: time they get some adversity at the NFL level, they

631
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: don't know how to handle it. And in a sport

632
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: like baseball, as a manager, as somebody who's dealing with

633
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: these guys on a day to day basis, how do

634
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: you help guys get through maybe that slump or that

635
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: little rut that they're going through. Well, to have gone

636
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: through it helps, right, you know. So I think in baseball,

637
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: if you if you've gotten to the big league level,

638
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: you've gotten knocked around somewhere, you know, on that road

639
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: and when you go back to real the start of it.

640
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: A lot of that's done in the minor leagues because

641
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys coming from a small town

642
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: like me. I'm coming from Evans, ND, and I'm not

643
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: seeing the same competition as a guy in California. They're

644
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: playing tons of baseball in Texas and Florida. These guys

645
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: are seeing better competition early. So sometimes you take that

646
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: guy from that you know, the big fish in the

647
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: small pond. You throw him out there and it's like

648
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: he's overwhelmed. But I think so, I think you gotta

649
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: know who that guy is, um, and then just how

650
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: we how do we get there? Multi sports? UM, We've

651
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: seen it with players coming through on the football side,

652
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: where man, now we're starting to see seven on seven.

653
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: These guys aren't playing as many sports as they used to.

654
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: Somebody yourself, you grew up playing multiple sports. I know

655
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: your sons played multiple sports. What value is there in

656
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: that today? And is it worry you that we're seeing

657
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: more these kids specialize at a young age. It does

658
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: worry me. I think the value of it is that

659
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: you're kind of compete in year round sometimes especially you

660
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: guys are doing a lot of workout stuff, a lot

661
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: of tryout camp type stuff. See how fast year run?

662
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: How far do you hit it? When you're competing in

663
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: different sports, And I look at it from a health

664
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: standpoint for kids. Uh. To me, I was a basketball player,

665
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: I played football, I played baseball, shootolf, was playing out

666
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: in the backyard. I'm playing tennis. I'm doing anything I

667
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: could do with the ball. Right Well, I'm to me,

668
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm training my muscles in a lot of different ways.

669
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: My muscles are giving my armor break during a football season.

670
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: That basketball is giving me side to side quickness, forward back,

671
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: being able to use my feet, which relates to for

672
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: me defense in baseball, maybe defense for defensive back or

673
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: guys that move their move their feet in football. So

674
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I think all the sports give you something and then

675
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: there comes a point where you gotta start, you gotta

676
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: narrow it down, and I think the sport tells you

677
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: you're tells you where you should be going. Like for me,

678
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: I love basketball from Indiana. I love basketball is probably

679
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: my favorite sport. You can go practice on your own,

680
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: you can do on your own. Baseball is hard to

681
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: get it together. But you know what happened when I

682
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: got to be a freshman high school. I was better

683
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: than everybody else in baseball, you know, and it just

684
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: starts saying you should be playing baseball. And then that

685
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: changed my I got that first letter from a from

686
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: a scout, remember a big Cincinnati logo on that letter,

687
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: and for me, that ended it right from me and

688
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: my focus was going to go to baseball. I still

689
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: played the other sports, but I really knew at that point, Hey,

690
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: you're getting attention in baseball, you're not getting anything else.

691
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: Last question for I'm just curious. We we we always talk

692
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: about competitive kids, trying to find competitive players when you're

693
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: when you're watching a baseball game, is there something that

694
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: that's a trigger for you or that that kind of

695
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: shows you, Okay, this this kid's got it. He's got

696
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: that competitive gene that we want. You see that fight, right,

697
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: and and I think the biggest thing you see with

698
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: your own guys again back to knowing your own guys.

699
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: Guys that make adjustments compete. If you just keep getting

700
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: beat the same way and you keep guys are getting

701
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: you out the same way and you're still giving up

702
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: hits the same way, tells me you're not competing. You're

703
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: not making adjustments, You're not figuring a way. And that's

704
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: what competing is figuring a way that I'm gonna win.

705
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I can win this in this battle or this encounter.

706
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: And if I'm not making a justments, I'm probably not

707
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: a great competitor. From the standpoint, I'm just kind of

708
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: I got talent. I go do what they tell me

709
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: to do, But I'm not like playing the game and

710
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: making adjustments. All right, fantastic. I said that was the

711
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: last question, final one, because we share something in common.

712
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: We're both i U basketball fans. So the planet is

713
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: at risk. We need a shot to be made. Are

714
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: we going with Isaiah Thomas or Calbert Cheney? What are

715
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: we doing here? Uh? Can I say, Steve Alfred Alford?

716
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: Did you did you ever watch the offer the Steve

717
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Alford All American Workout video? That's what I did not

718
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: watch that? Because I did. I had that thing on

719
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: VHS tape. And you know what, here's what I think

720
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: about Indiana basketball. And I and 't even know the year.

721
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Keith Smart hits a jump seven with like so much

722
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: time in the clock. In the first thing Bobby Knight

723
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: does us look at the clock and it's like he's onward.

724
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: He's hit the shot and now he's moving on to

725
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: what would gotta do the rest of this. There was

726
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: a short period of time, but the first thing he

727
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: did was look at that clock. That is amazing. I

728
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: had fun that shot. There's a picture I had growing

729
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: up with that, a picture of that shot. Keith Smart

730
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: shot with a button you would push and it would

731
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: play the audio of the announcer call in the game.

732
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Keith shot baseline jumper good four seconds, three seconds, two

733
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: seconds one. The Hoosiers have won the national championship. I

734
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: haven't heard in twenty years, but I still can remember

735
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: that as there you go. Last question for you. Yeah,

736
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: did you have those red and white sweats? Oh? The

737
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: candy games? Uh? No, I always wanted to that's really

738
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: fandom missed me, Bucky. I gotta be honest. That was

739
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: pretty cool man getting a chance to be around Don Mattingly.

740
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: He is as cool as you would imagine he would be.

741
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: Hey Man always loved him coming up, just love the

742
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: way he handled his business. And you talked about that nickname.

743
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: The nickname is awesome, But I think the thing that

744
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: stood out to me from that conversation how he's always

745
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: looking for the competitive gene. Uh. At the end of

746
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: the day, we can talk about talent and all those

747
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: other things, but competitiveness is the thing that separates the

748
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: good from the greats um, I am always on the

749
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: hunt for day when we're doing evaluations. As it relates

750
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: to like guys getting ready for the pros. It's interesting

751
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: to hear a manager and an accomplish baseball player like

752
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: Don Manley talked about that as well well, from one

753
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: player who turned manager to another player turn manager. We

754
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: had a chance to visit with Dave Roberts. He's the

755
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers. They've had tremendous success

756
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: since he's taken over that role. Haven't been able to

757
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: win the Ultimate trophy with the World Series, Bucky, but

758
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: a couple appearances and and really been the most consistent

759
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: team since he took over. I remember him as a player,

760
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, playing for the Padres for for a couple

761
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: of years, played with the Giants, obviously probably the most

762
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: famous stolen base in postseason history to help the Red

763
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: Sox overcome a three oh deficit and go on and

764
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: and sweep the rest of their games on their way

765
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: to a World Series. So uh, fantastic career for Dave

766
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Roberts has really emerged as one of the best managers

767
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: in baseball and somebody that also has a football background.

768
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: My first question is as as scouts here, we'd love

769
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: to know the scouting report, going back to OURBV to

770
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: branch branching Winni Vista, Dave Roberts the quarterback we want

771
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: we want the scouting report on a Roberts the quarterback.

772
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: We need a comparison. We need to know about the

773
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: skill set. What do we got? Uh very light arm Uh,

774
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: it's a. It's definitely to a to a very light.

775
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Um really run, could see the field, play actually really good,

776
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: could sell faced mechanics, mechanics good plus plus runner um

777
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: team leader, um, but certainly to uh, very light. We've

778
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: been talking a lot about um being able to come back.

779
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: We've used that kind of as a theme. We're talking

780
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: more about that as a country. We see it now,

781
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: we're trying to come back. Hopefully sports are gonna be

782
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: coming back. But you're such a great example of this.

783
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: And let we go back to that Red Sox series

784
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: down three. Oh, you steal the base. Everybody knows the story.

785
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: You guys come back and win that series. What what's

786
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the mindset that that that needs to be there in

787
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: order to make a comeback. It's living in in the

788
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: moment and it's living in the present, and you know,

789
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: looking back is noise. Um, Kurt Shilling takes amount page

790
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: or takes a mount. You know, Tom Brady, you know

791
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: comes out of the huddle. You're you're trying to execute

792
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: one play. I went from a starter from l A

793
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: as a first place team to a bench guy, and

794
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: you had to wait for your opportunity. And I prepared.

795
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: I watched video, I worked on things, and I was

796
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: a good teammate when I needed to be. But when

797
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: my opportunity came, um, I was ready. Uh. When it presented,

798
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I was ready for it. One of the things that

799
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: I've heard about you is because you guys have been

800
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: really heavily analytic driven, that you've had to really manage

801
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: a relationship with the players to get them to have

802
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: a complete buy in. Talk about the importance of trust

803
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: and communication when you are trying to make decisions under

804
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: in the best interes of the team, but you're dealing

805
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: with players who used to play every day. I have

806
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: to always remember what it's like to be a player.

807
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: For me, as you guys might have heard, I try

808
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: to touch every player every single day. And you know,

809
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: you see, I was on a podcast with Pete Caroline

810
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr a couple weeks ago, and you know, Pete,

811
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: he cares a guy that's going up and down the sidelines,

812
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: patent guys on the butt, and you know, just a

813
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: little something. I think that that goes a long way

814
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: when you're a leader of men or women. Um and so,

815
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: just a little bit that that head coach of that

816
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: manager can let him know, Hey, I'm thinking about you.

817
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I still believe you, I still need you. And that

818
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: little bit keeps guys going. But I think for me,

819
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: it's the consistency of having those conversations. We look at

820
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: this Dodger team as it's constructed right now. The most

821
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: important question who would be the best football player on

822
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: the Dodgers? Who do you got? All right? I love that.

823
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I'm gonna see when my boys

824
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: tuned into this, I'm gonna get some ripping. The easy

825
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: answer is Mooki in the slot. I just trust that

826
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: he can get separation. I kind of liken him to

827
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: like a Westmoker type. Um. So, I think that I'm

828
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: probably missing somebody right now, But I'm gonna go. Uh,

829
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Mookie Bets. You talking about being able

830
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: to come back. Uh, you lead the Dodgers to back

831
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: to back World Series. You guys fell up on the

832
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: short end of the stick and both of those how

833
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: do you bounce back from those moments? Because we have

834
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: NFL teams like San Francisco forty Niners who went to

835
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and we're winning with seven minutes left,

836
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and then it falls apart. What is the mindset and

837
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: the mentality to come from come back from a big

838
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: disappointment to still get back and maybe be able to

839
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: change the result of the following year. It's not easy.

840
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: People don't understand, you know, to go all the way

841
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: up the mountain and to give everything you have for

842
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: eight months and you know, to then lose, to then

843
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: have to have that grit or that you know, intestinal

844
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: fortune or whatever you want to call it to get

845
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: back up there individually collectively to go back up that

846
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: mountain that is not guaranteed, to get to the top.

847
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: It is not easy. Um. But I think that unfortunately

848
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: uh blessed with a lot of great coaches, UM for

849
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: office and players most important, that we're syncd up and

850
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 1: we got a tough group of guys and understand that

851
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, we we we failed in the sense of

852
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: we didn't we don't have that ring. But I still

853
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: think that, you know, over the last four years, we've

854
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: won more baseball games in any team in the big leagues,

855
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: And I think that there's something to be said for that.

856
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're all kind of divine defined by championships

857
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: and rings, and especially when you're in Los Angeles and

858
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: you've got to deal with Magic Johnson, Who's who's the

859
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: king of all the rings? So, man, the bar, the

860
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: bar is certainly high. But but I love that and

861
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: we're going to get there. RBV Buck, Rancho Buena Vista

862
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: and Dave Roberts running around slinging that thing. I've actually

863
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: seen a little video of him. Man, he obviously you

864
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: know he can run. We see that on the diamond,

865
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: but very athletic quarterback could have been he could have

866
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: been the what was the name of the quarterback at

867
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: Air Force like d doubt Yes, yes, yes, he could

868
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: have been that guy. But anyways, it's worked out pretty

869
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: well for him. It has worked out pretty well. I

870
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: loved his mentality. Uh, the way to describe mindset that

871
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: you have to have to come back. I think that's

872
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: really really important. I think we talked about baseball being

873
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: a sport of failure, but also when you're building a team,

874
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: how can you bounce back from those tough moments. I

875
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: think you need to see it not only in the

876
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: coaches that you have, but also the players that you acquire.

877
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: All right. When I worked for the Cleveland Browns, we

878
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: had a coach on our staff named Frank for Ducci

879
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: and frankfort Ducci good reputation in the football world, lifelong coach.

880
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: He also has a pretty famous brother, and that's Tom Verducci,

881
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: who is really the premier writer when it comes to

882
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. He's a reporter, he's phenomenal, he's he's

883
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: does his work with the MLB network. You see him

884
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: on Fox. Uh, he's outstanding. So we had a chance

885
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: to sit down and visit with him about this whole

886
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: connection between these sports and somebody that knows it very well.

887
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: All right, Tom, first question for me, I was with

888
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: your brother Frank with the Cleveland Browns. Frank lifetime and football.

889
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: Why baseball? For me? It's always been my first love. Um.

890
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: I grew up in a household surrounded by football. My

891
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: dad was a big high school football coach. Obviously, both

892
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: of my two brothers, my brothers became football coaches. Always

893
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: love the game, but baseball was my first love. I'm

894
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: not sure why that was, but um, my first job

895
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: out of college actually was covering NFL Miami Dolphins in Florida.

896
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: But if I could have chosen a sport to cover,

897
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: what did baseball? And I was lucky enough to get

898
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: that opportunity. That's fascinating. I love watching you and the

899
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: work that you do, and one of the things always

900
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: stood out to me just how good of an interview

901
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: you are. I think, from a scouting standpoint on the

902
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: football side of things, be valuable to know get an

903
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: education on. Give me some examples of of your thought

904
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: process when you're going into an interview to get to

905
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: know someone, as we're trying to do with players. Yeah. Well,

906
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: for me, I'd like to look at the game. And again,

907
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm lucky that my dad was a coach, so it's

908
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of first nature for me to think like a

909
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: coach rather than an outside person coming from the inside.

910
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to say, I like to look at baseball,

911
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: in my case, from the inside out. So connect with

912
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: people who are in the game, try to speak their language,

913
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: come informed, and by that I mean be very specific

914
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: about a topic, um, a person, a story, something that

915
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: you can connect with the person, rather than throwing something

916
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: out there generically that anybody off the street could come

917
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: up with and ask a question like how are you

918
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: feeling where you worried about this kind of you know,

919
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: be very specific and uh. For me, I will have

920
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: to add that I like baseball so much. I love

921
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: baseball so much that I really want to learn as

922
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: much as I can about it so to stay informed.

923
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I want to learn more. So when I ask someone

924
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: a question, I want to be informed myself. I'm curious,

925
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: and I always say it's baseball to me is like

926
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: just the more levels you understand it, the more fascinating

927
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: it becomes, and you learn how much you don't know.

928
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: It's fascinating to me. And the leadership structure with teams

929
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: compared to the NFL style and the NFL side, where

930
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: it's really gotten down to one or two voices on

931
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: the NFL side, and it seems like talking to folks

932
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: around here, they almost talk about their their leadership team

933
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: more so than even just the general manager. Collaboration wise,

934
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: has it evolved or changed in baseball? Yeah, I think

935
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: baseball has really changed in terms of the collaborative effort,

936
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: and by that I mean throughout the system. Now. It

937
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: used to be there were separate silos within an organization,

938
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: major league, minor league player development analytics. Now it's all

939
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: working together as one um, So I think it's a

940
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: good thing for the game. The other thing I've noticed

941
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: is that in terms of coaching and managing, especially, connecting

942
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: with the players is more important than ever. It wasn't

943
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: that long ago where the manager was kind of the dictator.

944
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: You know, he told you when you were playing. You

945
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: didn't have to tell you why you were sitting or

946
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: why you were pins hitting. But now everything must be

947
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: explained to the players, and every team is looking for

948
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: managers now they can connect two players on a real

949
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: personal level rather than speaking down to them. Connecting players

950
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: and managers one thing. Also connecting the front office with

951
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. It seems like to me now more

952
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: than never, that that that relationship, that connection has never

953
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: been more important. It's totally true, the connection there is

954
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: extremely important. And I think it's really changed in this

955
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: regard is that now teams are trusting coaches to come

956
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: in that maybe don't have experience even playing the game professionally,

957
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: certainly on the major league level, but their expertise in

958
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: the areas of what they're teaching are so good. They're

959
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: being introduced to the game. For instance, the New York

960
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: Yankees just hired a pitching coach. Is thirty three years old,

961
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: and only four or five years ago was teaching and

962
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: coaching in high school of baseball. That would never have

963
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: happened years ago. But sort of like the gurus and

964
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: golf who can teach the swing so well because they

965
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: understand it, they've studied how the body works kinetically, those

966
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: people now are not just being introduced to the game.

967
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: They're having a big influence and how the game is

968
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: taught and played. And that is a very quick, widespread

969
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: change in baseball. I ask you about Tom House because

970
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: the NFL world, we've all become very acquainted. WI seems

971
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: like everybody's working with him in the off season. We're

972
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: familiar with when he started crossing over from just working

973
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: with pitchers now all of a sudden working with quarterbacks. Well.

974
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: I can remember back in the eighties when he was

975
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: a pitching coach of the Texas Rangers. You'd see guys

976
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: out there throwing a football around. And baseball has always

977
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: been very high bound by traditions. So when you come

978
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: in and introduce something different like throwing a football around

979
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: as baseball pitchers, people thought he was nuts. They he

980
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: was an outlier who was an outcast, but now a

981
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: lot of what he was teaching is been adopted in

982
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: the game. It's widespread um, but that's what happens when

983
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: systems are disrupted. The people who come along first with

984
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: the ideas tend to be marginalized. But over time in baseball,

985
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's case in football as well. Systems change

986
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: because the new systems are working. That's why they get adopted.

987
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't because that people are trying to quote unquote

988
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: reinvent the game. We learn more, and as we learn more,

989
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: we want to introduce different things. So Tom House, I

990
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: thought was ahead of his time and a lot of

991
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: his ideas about pitching. Have you heard of any NFL teams.

992
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: I know a couple of gms that have spent time

993
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: trying to study some of these, uh the MLB teams

994
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: and what they're doing, not even just analytics, some of

995
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: the nutrition stuff, some of the other things that have

996
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: been implemented. But it seems like now more than ever,

997
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: you're seeing this cross sport collaboration. They're trying to learn

998
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: from one another. There's no doubt I think a lot

999
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: of sports are learning from each other, especially about nutrition

1000
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: and recovery. Recovery is kind of the new open space

1001
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: and baseball. You know, it was analytics up until about

1002
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Now that's pretty flat landscape. Where do

1003
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: you find edges now in the game? And I think

1004
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: a lot of it now is in recovery and how

1005
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: do you keep your players healthy? How do you keep

1006
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: them well? Uh? With nutrition? Um, the energy level throughout

1007
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: a baseball season super important. A hundred and sixty two

1008
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: games that a hundred and eighty two days is very

1009
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: tough on the body. Now, for what I know that

1010
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: English soccer is way ahead of all other sports in

1011
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: that aspect of the game. It's a different kind of schedule,

1012
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: but I think there's things that I know Baseball teams

1013
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: are studying some of the things that they're doing in

1014
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: that regard. So I think, now, yeah, the walls between

1015
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: the sports are all down. What can we do about

1016
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: enhancing performance? I've talked to how he Rose with the Eagles.

1017
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I know he went over there and spent some time

1018
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: over there in the Premier League study and those teams

1019
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: are talking to them all the sports science Chip Kelly

1020
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: kind of introduced a little bit of that to the NFL.

1021
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: Now it's exploded. Um, last question for I'll let you run.

1022
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: But we asked We've got all these coaches on and

1023
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: we always ask him the best high school player that

1024
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: they've ever seen. And we've got some unbelievable stories of

1025
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: high school football players that you know, we're Lebron James

1026
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: as a high school football player. Allen Iverson is a

1027
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: high school football player. But just in your in your

1028
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: long history of covering sports, don't have to be baseball.

1029
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: Just the most impressive young athlete that you've ever seen. Wow,

1030
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. Um. You know it's interesting though,

1031
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: because when you're really small. For me anyway, I looked

1032
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: up to high school athletes like they were my heroes,

1033
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: and not the NFL, not the NBA, MLB. Um. And

1034
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: I remember there was a basketball player I grew up

1035
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, Um, Kelly Repuca. It wind up playing

1036
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: in the NBA, but my goodness, he looked like a

1037
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: man in high school and he had range shooting the

1038
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: baseball like I never saw before. He could jump out

1039
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: of the gym, and I thought, man, that guy should

1040
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: be in the NBA right now. Um. But being at

1041
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: that time much younger than him and looking at what

1042
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: he could do athletically. It still stands out to me

1043
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: to this day. Bucky, the one thing that stood out

1044
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: to me there. It's just him talking about how advanced

1045
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: soccer is and you look over overseason Europe where they

1046
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: are in terms of developing athletes, and how we're all

1047
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: trying to play catch up over here. Yeah, we are

1048
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: trying to play catch up. You know, we're just so

1049
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: far behind. But um, I did like some of the

1050
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: things that he talked about. Tom House obviously being a

1051
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: non traditional guy, that kind of helps, uh, pictures kind

1052
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: of find their way. Uh. He just knows so much stuff. Man,

1053
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm so envious being a lifelong baseball fan, his insight,

1054
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: his ability to connect on the level. He really brought

1055
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: a lot of perspective to the game. All right, our last,

1056
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: our last guest here is our good buddy Chris Rose.

1057
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: We know him from NFL Network. You watch him on

1058
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: MLB Network with his buddy Kevin Millar. One of the

1059
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: most enjoyable shows on television. He's outstanding and also don't

1060
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: sleep on battle Bots, Big battle Boat Household over here.

1061
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: But Roser. Roser has a great perspective on what we're

1062
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: discussing in this episode. So here's a conversation I had

1063
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: with Chris. We've had a We've had a great day

1064
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: here meeting with a bunch of different people in this sport,

1065
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: and I'm learning a lot about how you're building teams,

1066
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: constructing organizations. Which the difference the main difference with NFL

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Speaker 1: and MLB in terms of the personnel side, it's really

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Speaker 1: an organization when you think about all the different levels

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Speaker 1: you have to get up and and having that same

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Speaker 1: message kind of permeate throughout the entire organization as a

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Speaker 1: challenge these guys have in building that entire operation. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean when you look at it, when we cover

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Speaker 1: the NFL draft, we as fans as well, we sit

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Speaker 1: there and we say, boy, how can that guy help

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Speaker 1: us next year? You know where we ended up winning

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Speaker 1: seven games, but maybe that guy pushes us to a

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Speaker 1: level where we're at eight or nine. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't think that way in baseball. You can't do it.

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Speaker 1: There's there aren't guys who you draft. Now. We do

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Speaker 1: tend to see what we've seen over the last five years.

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Speaker 1: These guys make such a rapid move to the major

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Speaker 1: league level. You're seeing guys that are twenty and twenty

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Speaker 1: one not only contribute but be stars at this level.

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's becoming a little bit more

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Speaker 1: like the NFL draft in from that standpoint, like if

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Speaker 1: we draft a college pitcher, can he have one year

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Speaker 1: of seasoning and he can help us the year after

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Speaker 1: he gets drafted. They don't want to give away the innings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you only got someone in, yeah, your

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Speaker 1: min as will make him count totally, totally. So that's

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Speaker 1: why we've kind of seen the pendulum swing a little

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Speaker 1: bit more toward college pitchers being drafted very high. One

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Speaker 1: of one of the executives we talked to today said,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray would have been a great baseball player. He

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Speaker 1: was in on him. He was, you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of time during that time, remember a bunch of people saying, ah,

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Speaker 1: maybe the A's had reached for him as a baseball

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Speaker 1: player more of a project than anything else. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember who wasn't adamant about the fact he would have

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Speaker 1: been a great player. What was the consensus if we

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Speaker 1: go back in time to in that decision for Kyler Murray. Well,

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Speaker 1: I talked to two different personnel people in the baseball

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Speaker 1: world when we were trying to wrap our hands around

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Speaker 1: the Murray decision. You know what, was it eleven months

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00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: ago or so, and they both said, not only did

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Speaker 1: the AI's not make a mistake, but he could have

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Speaker 1: gone number one in that draft. That's how good he was.

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Speaker 1: You know that they felt like, you know, he had

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Speaker 1: a great swing, that he was going to be a

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Speaker 1: super plus defender in the outfield, he was going to

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Speaker 1: chase everything down in a pretty spacious outfield, and obviously

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Speaker 1: had an amazing arm, so you know all the rest

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Speaker 1: of the stuff. Would we could teach you the rest exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Yep. The difference. I'll leave you this one

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Speaker 1: because I'm just curious, spending so much time in both worlds,

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Speaker 1: is there something that a successful manager has in baseball

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Speaker 1: that you see as a successful head coach in football

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Speaker 1: because it's such a different job, totally different, But is

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Speaker 1: there one thing that carries over to both. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: if you know. Community communication is one of the things.

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Speaker 1: That's the big thing that you're talking about. I mean,

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00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: you're dealing with with grown men, and in the baseball

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Speaker 1: world has changed significantly in the last five years with

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Speaker 1: the way analytics are applied, and a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: for better or worse, it means that more and more

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Speaker 1: players are becoming I'm not gonna say bit players, but

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00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: at least platoon guys when they're not raised to be

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Speaker 1: that way, and so they don't understand why is it

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Speaker 1: beneficial that I'm not playing here? And so it's really

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Speaker 1: the manager's job to take that information. And I imagine

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Speaker 1: that when it comes to the NFL as well, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of that that that has to cross over.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I find it fascinating as we

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Speaker 1: learn more and more about what's going on in the

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Speaker 1: NFL analytically, and particularly when we listened to the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens and John Harbaugh where they've got the year old

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Speaker 1: kid from Yale who's you know, helping them with probabilities.

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Speaker 1: And that's a huge thing, right, Like, why we're sitting

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Speaker 1: here gonna wait, you're going forward and fourth and one

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Speaker 1: at your own forty four with four and a half

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Speaker 1: minutes to go. That's insane in its high game. Why

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Speaker 1: would you do that? Well? Because the analytics say that

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Speaker 1: we have a better shot of winning the game here

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Speaker 1: by going for it than if we punt. The other thing.

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Speaker 1: The other thing the analytics tell me is you've got

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Speaker 1: Marshall yonda right guard. You've got Lamar Jackson and mark Ingram.

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Speaker 1: The chances are pretty good. I didn't need to consult

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Speaker 1: the math book or a calculator to figure that one out.

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Speaker 1: I think those odds are in your favorite I'm with

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00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: you on that. But five years ago, if you make

1151
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: that play, oh you're an idiot. People are kicking and screaming.

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: At least now there's a thought process. I think the

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Speaker 1: twenty five year old kid from Yale's the fall guy

1154
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: in case it's every guy's wrong. It's like John Harbas, Josh,

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Speaker 1: that's the twenty five year old kid from you. That's

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00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: not Hardbuss called it's a fall guy. Is That's not

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Speaker 1: a bad idea. It's always important to make the ivy

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Speaker 1: leaguers of fall guys there. I thought the money take

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Speaker 1: away from that conversation was the importance of communication, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: It just if you're gonna be an effect the leader, manager,

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Speaker 1: head coach, that communication has got to be there. It

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Speaker 1: has to be there. It's the most important thing. Trust

1163
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Speaker 1: in communication are really the glue to keeping a team together,

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Speaker 1: and you have to be able to communicate coach to coach,

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Speaker 1: coach to player player the players. So you have to

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Speaker 1: not only be able to be a great communicator, you

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Speaker 1: have to teach your guys how to communicate. It's such

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00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: an important skill and trade that you have to have

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Speaker 1: in Well, this has been a fun episode. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, if you're just catching this episode and didn't

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Speaker 1: catch part one, would encourage you to go listen to that.

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Speaker 1: That's part one of our conversation, our crossover podcast looking

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Speaker 1: at sport of baseball and and tying that together with

1174
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: the with the sport of football. It's been a fun

1175
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Speaker 1: journey here on these two episodes. Anything you want to

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Speaker 1: add before we wrap it up here, Bucky, No, this

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Speaker 1: is great man. You know I'm all about you and

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Speaker 1: I talk all the time about team building and looking

1179
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Speaker 1: outside of football to just kind of learn how to

1180
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: build the ultimate team. I think this two part series

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Speaker 1: has been phenomenal in terms of adding some different insight

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Speaker 1: and perspective. All right, no doubt, this has been fun.

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Speaker 1: If you guys have enjoyed it as much as we have,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. I do want

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Speaker 1: a huge shout out here to our buddy, our Junah,

1186
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: who has put in tireless work to pull this all together.

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Speaker 1: Our Juna is as good as it gets. We're very

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00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: fortunate to have him with us on our team and

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Speaker 1: just thankful for all the work he's put in because

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Speaker 1: this is a is a big chore here, big task uh,

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Speaker 1: and do appreciate all of his efforts. That's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it for us today. Thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: listening to move the sticks. We'll catch you next time

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Speaker 1: right here.