Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: A Fear of Dying let Sandra Champlain on a fifteen
Speaker 2: year secret journey to find proof of the afterlife. The
Speaker 2: death of her father pushed her to share these discoveries,
Speaker 2: believing that they would help the grieving. Sandra is the
Speaker 2: author of the number one international best selling book We
Speaker 2: Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after death, and
Speaker 2: is also the host. As I've mentioned, the shades of
Speaker 2: the Afterlife podcast on the Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 2: Podcast Network. I'll tell you again later on where you
Speaker 2: can listen to Sandra. Sandra, welcome back, Hove your Ben.
Speaker 3: Oh hey George, all is well in my world? All
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: I want to take just a moment before we get
Speaker 2: really rolling into this to thank you for your contribution
Speaker 2: to the Paranormal Podcast Network. How many shows have you
Speaker 2: done now?
Speaker 3: Well, I have recorded two hundred and four. We currently
Speaker 3: have two hundred and two or three released, so it's
Speaker 3: been over four years. A labor of love and a
Speaker 3: shout out to the listeners. I've received so many incredible emails.
Speaker 3: People experience grief or by get diagnosed with an illness,
Speaker 3: and we want to know that. We go on and George,
Speaker 3: thank you for the opportunity. Because the emails I receive
Speaker 3: in the words of comfort, people say that Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife has not only saved their life, but given
Speaker 3: them life.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, years ago I was talking to Tom
Speaker 2: dan Heiser, of course, our executive producer of the Paranormal
Speaker 2: podcast network, and I said, you know, Tom, a lot
Speaker 2: of people are listening on their phones. They have a
Speaker 2: podcast network, they have podcasting. Let's do that. So we
Speaker 2: started podcasting coast to coast. But I wanted us to
Speaker 2: do more. I wanted to bring in some other people
Speaker 2: like yourself and the others that will join us tonight.
Speaker 2: And it's worked out tremendously and it continues to growth.
Speaker 2: Thanks the folks like you.
Speaker 3: Oh it's my pleasure and I'm thankful to you. So
Speaker 3: it's a win win situation for all.
Speaker 2: You have been called a skeptic when it deals with
Speaker 2: the afterlife, and you changed, of course, I'll come.
Speaker 3: Well, I was in the beginning a closed minded skeptic,
Speaker 3: and it might be how I was raised. My parents
Speaker 3: great people, but you had to see it to believe it,
Speaker 3: and I think one of the things that really pushed
Speaker 3: our family over the edge that none of this paranormal
Speaker 3: stuff was real is we had a local psychic live
Speaker 3: in the town that we lived in, and she made
Speaker 3: this prediction that the Maid of the myths, you know,
Speaker 3: the boat ride at Niagara Falls with capsize with a
Speaker 3: boat full of deaf people aboard. It never happened, and
Speaker 3: so in my mind that whole world was not real.
Speaker 3: I felt sorry for people that needed to believe in
Speaker 3: this spirituality. And I really do feel closed minded. I
Speaker 3: thought it some but he had a near death experience
Speaker 3: and they saw the light. It was just a normal
Speaker 3: part of their brain shutting down. But I didn't take
Speaker 3: any interest in even learning it. So that's what a
Speaker 3: closed minded skeptic is. And thankfully I went through a
Speaker 3: fear of dying, which was very scary, but it had
Speaker 3: me open up to what else was possible. And so
Speaker 3: I think I'm the perfect person to host Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife and tell the story because I never believed
Speaker 3: it myself.
Speaker 2: But it was the sad death of your father that
Speaker 2: really got you starting to believe and think about the afterlife,
Speaker 2: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I had done a lot of research secretly
Speaker 3: about the afterlife, even taking a class and mediumship, and
Speaker 3: my poor dad was diagnosed with cancer and within five
Speaker 3: months he passed. And just before he passed, George, I
Speaker 3: felt this need that I had to share with him
Speaker 3: some of my investigations. And Dad was very religious. I
Speaker 3: went to church every single day, but I really felt
Speaker 3: I had to get this off my chest about what
Speaker 3: I learned about the afterlife. And so he loved me
Speaker 3: and he was open, but he looked at me kind
Speaker 3: of with one eye bigger than the other, like what
Speaker 3: is she going to tell me? And so I told
Speaker 3: him about my fear, some of the things I investigated,
Speaker 3: And in that moment, George, all of a sudden, in
Speaker 3: my mind's eye, I see a yellow Piper cub airplane,
Speaker 3: a tail dragger with black letters, and I feel that
Speaker 3: there's a man laughing and saying, tell your dad, I
Speaker 3: did get to take my toys with me. Now, I'm
Speaker 3: not a practicing medium, but I've taken plenty of courses
Speaker 3: and I decided to share this with my dad. His
Speaker 3: eyes filled with tears, George. He had a friend named
Speaker 3: Jim who was fighting cancer and my dad kept saying
Speaker 3: to him, Jim, you can beat this because you don't
Speaker 3: get to bring your toys with you. What toy are
Speaker 3: we talking about. Jim owned a yellow Piper cub airplane
Speaker 3: with black letters exactly. And my dad wanted me to
Speaker 3: tell him everything I learned, made me promise that I
Speaker 3: write a book and share this with people. And I
Speaker 3: never thought, you know, I'm smart enough to write a book.
Speaker 3: But when Dad passed, of course grief kicked. In arguments
Speaker 3: with my siblings, I found a whole world of why
Speaker 3: we grieve, what happened in the body. Just being the
Speaker 3: caring person I am, I thought, you know, other people
Speaker 3: might like this information. So I created an audio called
Speaker 3: how to Survive Grief, and I posted it on YouTube
Speaker 3: and it went viral and people started writing me that
Speaker 3: not only did it help them with their grief, but George,
Speaker 3: people told me they chose not to end their lives
Speaker 3: because of what I described in grief is there's a
Speaker 3: lot out of our control in our brains. And so
Speaker 3: it was the hardest time in my life around the
Speaker 3: death of my father, but it taught me something so
Speaker 3: important and that the world needs this information. And within months,
Speaker 3: a publisher showed up. I got my book We Don't
Speaker 3: Die published, and thanks to you and Tom, I've been
Speaker 3: on coast to coast several times and it's really made
Speaker 3: a difference in a lot of lives at.
Speaker 2: This point, do you have any doubts at all now
Speaker 2: that the afterlife exists?
Speaker 3: I have zero doubts. However, I think all human beings
Speaker 3: are not meant to realize that we go on twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven, because I think there's this game called life,
Speaker 3: and as difficult as it is, our soul grows during
Speaker 3: the difficult times. It really does. Anybody can look back
Speaker 3: on their past and some of the most horrendous things
Speaker 3: that have happened have become growth spurts or times that
Speaker 3: you've been able to help other people. And even the
Speaker 3: tough time of my dad dying. I wouldn't be here
Speaker 3: with you today had it not all happened. So I
Speaker 3: don't live life all the time knowing the reality of
Speaker 3: the afterlife. And it's not that I too that. It's
Speaker 3: just I think we need to play this game called life.
Speaker 3: So thankfully, every week I produce the show on Shades
Speaker 3: that has me research and talk to people and keep
Speaker 3: it real. For myself. I think we all need that.
Speaker 2: Do you try to convince skeptics?
Speaker 3: Heck no, I used to. But there's two kinds of skeptics.
Speaker 3: There's a closed minded skeptic like I described myself in
Speaker 3: the beginning, and there's not a single soul that could
Speaker 3: have given me all the information that I now have
Speaker 3: to convince me. That's a closed minded skeptic. They just
Speaker 3: know better, big ego. And then there's open minded skeptics.
Speaker 3: And our friend doctor Evan Alexander did a poll. They
Speaker 3: took a whole bunch of open minded skeptics, like they
Speaker 3: didn't believe in any of this, but they were open
Speaker 3: and every single one of them believed in the afterlife,
Speaker 3: especially from things like the verifiable information from near death experiences.
Speaker 3: So it's not worth any of us trying to push
Speaker 3: this on people. But there comes a time in each
Speaker 3: one of our lives that we start asking ourselves these
Speaker 3: big questions and we start looking for it.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Sandra, the afterlife looks like, Well.
Speaker 3: George, I think it looks very much like the world
Speaker 3: we live in. And sometimes you look at birds and
Speaker 3: flowers and plants and all kinds of beings here in nature,
Speaker 3: and you think there's got to be a higher intelligence
Speaker 3: to this. Really, even just looking at a beautiful sunrise
Speaker 3: or sunset. And so our afterlife experience is going to
Speaker 3: look very similar to what we have right here, right now.
Speaker 3: It's going to be nice temperature, Our life ones will
Speaker 3: be there, even our pets are there. We communicate telepathically,
Speaker 3: we can create things in our mind and make them real.
Speaker 3: There's places like the halls of learning where we can explore.
Speaker 3: We can tap into places in the past. But I
Speaker 3: think it's comforting for us because it's something we know.
Speaker 3: We'll have houses there, jobs to do, so it will
Speaker 3: be that feeling of being home.
Speaker 2: When people get there, are they confused or are they comfortable?
Speaker 2: Are they greeted by others?
Speaker 3: Greeted yes, comfortable, yes? Confused maybe, and it would be
Speaker 3: only brief, depending on how we pass. Sometimes some horrific
Speaker 3: things happen to people, or there's great illness or an
Speaker 3: accident of some kind, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: find themselves in the hereafter and it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: where am I? So for some there could be a
Speaker 3: little bit of time needed to just adjust, like I'm dead, okay,
Speaker 3: But it feels more real than where I was before.
Speaker 3: And then we see our loved ones. We get to
Speaker 3: be our perfect health. We get to if we have
Speaker 3: any kind of infirmities, they're no longer with us. We
Speaker 3: get to be our perfect age. I've had it said
Speaker 3: to me so many times that when we arrive in
Speaker 3: the hereafter, and I like that term hereafter because I
Speaker 3: think it's vibrating all around us. But when we arrive there,
Speaker 3: it makes our life here on earth seem like just
Speaker 3: a dream. That place, the afterlife, is home and we
Speaker 3: know it that's reality, just like when we wake up
Speaker 3: from a dream here we think, okay, this is real.
Speaker 3: That dream was an illusion.
Speaker 2: What do you think came first, our physical life or
Speaker 2: the afterlife.
Speaker 3: It's like the Chicken and the egg, And I sue,
Speaker 3: it's the afterlife or the before life came first? And
Speaker 3: I playfully paint this picture, not that it's the truth,
Speaker 3: but it works for me. That there's a place that
Speaker 3: all of our souls are and it's good all of
Speaker 3: the time, and it's wonderful. But the problem with something
Speaker 3: good all of the time is that it becomes boring.
Speaker 3: We all know that to really experience joy, we need
Speaker 3: to have experienced sadness. There needs to be the opposite.
Speaker 3: So some wise soul or souls created this place, planet Earth.
Speaker 3: Let's go there. You get to experience so much, you
Speaker 3: get these great emotions. There's places to travel to, there's
Speaker 3: people to be with. The only thing is is you're
Speaker 3: going to forget that you're a divine soul and that
Speaker 3: you'll be back here on home, coming home. And so
Speaker 3: we come here to Earth and we forget who we
Speaker 3: are and it's brutal. Oh my gosh. There is joy there,
Speaker 3: most definitely is, and there is fun. But the biggest
Speaker 3: life lessons come through the very toughest of times. So
Speaker 3: that's what I think.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the actor ray Leoda, great actor who
Speaker 2: is super and good fellows who died in this sleep.
Speaker 2: When somebody dies in their sleep, Sandra, what happens do they?
Speaker 2: Are they in a continuous dream state or just what
Speaker 2: goes on?
Speaker 3: I've never heard a continuous dream state. I think dying
Speaker 3: in our sleep is probably the most gentle way to go,
Speaker 3: they say, And there's a lot of research on deathbed visitations.
Speaker 3: In fact, doctor Christopher Kerr, a hostice doctor, study more
Speaker 3: than sixteen hundred people, and before we pass, we have
Speaker 3: what is called dreams, but people say they are just
Speaker 3: as real as say the people that we see on
Speaker 3: a day to day basis. So if we're happy and
Speaker 3: cozy in bed in that dream like state, suddenly that
Speaker 3: dream becomes extra real. There are our loved ones, there
Speaker 3: are our pets, and we get the gentle news that
Speaker 3: our visit to planet Earth is over. We can still
Speaker 3: visit our loved ones, but we are now back home.
Speaker 3: So I think it's a very good way to pass.
Speaker 2: Do we know we've died.
Speaker 3: Yes, we do. We do. There's stories of people who
Speaker 3: say that there's earth bound spirits who don't know that
Speaker 3: they've passed, and I've heard a few of those stories.
Speaker 3: And for me, the audience that I speak to is
Speaker 3: the grieving, a lot of grieving parents, and I don't
Speaker 3: into the earth bound stuff. In my studies, they talk
Speaker 3: about the power of prayer, and if there's ever any
Speaker 3: question for anybody, if their loved one hasn't passed all
Speaker 3: the way over, say a prayer, Imagine a beautiful white
Speaker 3: light and imagine them going through it. And I think
Speaker 3: that helps us more than it helps them, because I
Speaker 3: think we're either here or there. We're never stuck. But
Speaker 3: sometimes we need to be able to comfort ourselves here
Speaker 3: on earth. And if something like that empower, you do it.
Speaker 3: But love is all around us, and that, like I said,
Speaker 3: that feeling of being home and that we are loved
Speaker 3: is so special.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any surveys, Sandra that compare those who
Speaker 2: believe with those who don't about the afterlife?
Speaker 3: Interesting, over seventy percent of the Earth's population believe in
Speaker 3: the act after life. If we look at all forms
Speaker 3: of religion, most like ninety nine percent believe that the
Speaker 3: soul goes on. Even people that are atheists and may
Speaker 3: not say that there's a god, they believe in some
Speaker 3: kind of a higher intelligence of the universe or in nature,
Speaker 3: and they're open to the fact that.
Speaker 2: We go on.
Speaker 3: We well, we know that energy cannot be destroyed. It
Speaker 3: just can't be you know. So the burning log, even
Speaker 3: though it's burnt, it turned into a different form, turned
Speaker 3: into heat, or a puddle will change form and become
Speaker 3: vapor and turn into a cloud. When we die, our
Speaker 3: bodies die, we still go on. There's so much studies
Speaker 3: into the verifiable evidence through near death experiences that our
Speaker 3: consciousness can be other places in the world outside of
Speaker 3: our body and witness what's happening. You know, there's no
Speaker 3: brain activity. We are legally dead, so most people believe,
Speaker 3: I think, George, we're just afraid to talk about it
Speaker 3: because it's a human need to be liked and needed
Speaker 3: and wanted. And I know for myself. When I first
Speaker 3: decided to start talking to people about the afterlife, I
Speaker 3: really thought I was going to lose family and friends,
Speaker 3: and people thought would think I'm crazy, But just the
Speaker 3: opposite happened, and people embraced it.
Speaker 2: When do those angels kick in? Did they visit us
Speaker 2: when we die?
Speaker 3: I believe they do. I believe they're part of our
Speaker 3: lives now. I believe that we have spirit guides. A
Speaker 3: lot of people who pass who see their loved ones,
Speaker 3: you know, these deathbed visions. They also see beautiful angels.
Speaker 3: There's a whole world that I don't think our human
Speaker 3: mind can get our heads around. So the best we
Speaker 3: can have is faith and listen to good stories of
Speaker 3: different reasons to believe in the afterlife. And you start
Speaker 3: hearing so many of these from people, and you think
Speaker 3: there has to be something more, And certainly the Angelic Realm. Absolutely.
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