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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: A Fear of Dying let Sandra Champlain on a fifteen

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Speaker 2: year secret journey to find proof of the afterlife. The

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Speaker 2: death of her father pushed her to share these discoveries,

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Speaker 2: believing that they would help the grieving. Sandra is the

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Speaker 2: author of the number one international best selling book We

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Speaker 2: Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after death, and

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Speaker 2: is also the host. As I've mentioned, the shades of

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Speaker 2: the Afterlife podcast on the Coast to Coast AM Paranormal

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network. I'll tell you again later on where you

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Speaker 2: can listen to Sandra. Sandra, welcome back, Hove your Ben.

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Speaker 3: Oh hey George, all is well in my world? All

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: I want to take just a moment before we get

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Speaker 2: really rolling into this to thank you for your contribution

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Speaker 2: to the Paranormal Podcast Network. How many shows have you

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Speaker 2: done now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I have recorded two hundred and four. We currently

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Speaker 3: have two hundred and two or three released, so it's

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Speaker 3: been over four years. A labor of love and a

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Speaker 3: shout out to the listeners. I've received so many incredible emails.

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Speaker 3: People experience grief or by get diagnosed with an illness,

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Speaker 3: and we want to know that. We go on and George,

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Speaker 3: thank you for the opportunity. Because the emails I receive

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Speaker 3: in the words of comfort, people say that Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife has not only saved their life, but given

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, years ago I was talking to Tom

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Speaker 2: dan Heiser, of course, our executive producer of the Paranormal

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Speaker 2: podcast network, and I said, you know, Tom, a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are listening on their phones. They have a

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Speaker 2: podcast network, they have podcasting. Let's do that. So we

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Speaker 2: started podcasting coast to coast. But I wanted us to

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Speaker 2: do more. I wanted to bring in some other people

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Speaker 2: like yourself and the others that will join us tonight.

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Speaker 2: And it's worked out tremendously and it continues to growth.

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Speaker 2: Thanks the folks like you.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's my pleasure and I'm thankful to you. So

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Speaker 3: it's a win win situation for all.

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Speaker 2: You have been called a skeptic when it deals with

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Speaker 2: the afterlife, and you changed, of course, I'll come.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was in the beginning a closed minded skeptic,

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Speaker 3: and it might be how I was raised. My parents

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Speaker 3: great people, but you had to see it to believe it,

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Speaker 3: and I think one of the things that really pushed

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Speaker 3: our family over the edge that none of this paranormal

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Speaker 3: the boat ride at Niagara Falls with capsize with a

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Speaker 3: so in my mind that whole world was not real.

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Speaker 3: I felt sorry for people that needed to believe in

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Speaker 3: thought it some but he had a near death experience

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Speaker 3: part of their brain shutting down. But I didn't take

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Speaker 3: any interest in even learning it. So that's what a

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Speaker 3: fear of dying, which was very scary, but it had

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Speaker 3: I think I'm the perfect person to host Shades of

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Speaker 2: But it was the sad death of your father that

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I had done a lot of research secretly

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Speaker 3: And in that moment, George, all of a sudden, in

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Speaker 3: But when Dad passed, of course grief kicked. In arguments

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Speaker 3: not only did it help them with their grief, but George,

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Speaker 3: important and that the world needs this information. And within months,

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Speaker 2: This point, do you have any doubts at all now

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Speaker 3: I have zero doubts. However, I think all human beings

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Speaker 2: Do you try to convince skeptics?

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Speaker 3: Heck no, I used to. But there's two kinds of skeptics.

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Speaker 3: And our friend doctor Evan Alexander did a poll. They

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Sandra, the afterlife looks like, Well.

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Speaker 3: George, I think it looks very much like the world

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Speaker 3: look very similar to what we have right here, right now.

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Speaker 3: be there, even our pets are there. We communicate telepathically,

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Speaker 3: There's places like the halls of learning where we can explore.

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Speaker 3: But it feels more real than where I was before.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the actor ray Leoda, great actor who

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Speaker 2: When somebody dies in their sleep, Sandra, what happens do they?

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Speaker 3: our visit to planet Earth is over. We can still

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a very good way to pass.

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Speaker 2: Do we know we've died.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we do. We do. There's stories of people who

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Speaker 3: think we're either here or there. We're never stuck. But

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Speaker 3: But love is all around us, and that, like I said,

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Speaker 2: Have you seen any surveys, Sandra that compare those who

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Speaker 3: Interesting, over seventy percent of the Earth's population believe in

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Speaker 2: We go on.

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Speaker 3: We well, we know that energy cannot be destroyed. It

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Speaker 3: bodies die, we still go on. There's so much studies

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Speaker 3: I think, George, we're just afraid to talk about it

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Speaker 2: When do those angels kick in? Did they visit us

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Speaker 3: I believe they do. I believe they're part of our

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Speaker 3: you know, these deathbed visions. They also see beautiful angels.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole world that I don't think our human

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Speaker 3: different reasons to believe in the afterlife. And you start

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