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Speaker 2: You guys are prone best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 2: What is up, everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Raybaun of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 2: this is our AFC West Fantasy Preview episode. Here to

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Speaker 2: break it down with me at one of the top

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Speaker 2: fantasy rankers in the game, the odds maker Sean Kerner. Sean,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: I think my face is burnt a little bit. The

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Speaker 3: other day at the beach. I think I put some

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to Nikki. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: I got a little bit on my like the back

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Speaker 2: of my shoulders. I think that's the only spot I missed.

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Speaker 2: But be straight, yeah exactly. But for those that don't notice,

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Speaker 2: is in these episodes, we go through every Fantasy relevant

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Speaker 2: player UH in the division for each of the four teams,

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Speaker 2: so let's jump right into it. And of course, all

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Speaker 2: of our East, North, and South episodes for AFC and

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Speaker 2: NFC are already out right here on this channel, so

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Speaker 2: be sure to check those out. But the Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: they are the favorite for the AFC West as usual,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes going as the top quarterback off the board.

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Speaker 2: Sean thoughts on Mahomes, A, you're taking Mahomes? Are you're

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Speaker 2: with Patty Who's finished top three, top five, excuse me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's obviously the best quarterback in the game. He's

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Speaker 3: I think he also needs Travis Kelsey to delay his

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Speaker 3: You know he's losing Juju Smith, Schuster, Nico Hardman, but

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Speaker 3: just he reminded me, he gave me like Chris Godwin vibes.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a top five pick, just when in

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Speaker 1: He is going to decline at some point, I'm not

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Speaker 3: He's thirty four, right, he's turning thirty four. But I

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Speaker 1: Kelsey is still the alph in this offense.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna see a ton of targets, ton

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, pacheck O obviously had a good

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Speaker 3: and hitter. You know, Defenses will have to worry about

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Speaker 2: I still think he'll be more like a like a

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Speaker 2: I I'm not writing him off completely. I always liked

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Speaker 2: RB forty three. He had a five game stretch where

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00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: he scored eight touchdowns in the weeks thirteen to seventeen,

433
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: didn't crack nine half PPR points in any other game.

434
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: He had a career high ten touchdowns on one hundred

435
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 2: and twenty eight touches, which means he scored every thirteen

436
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: touches for his career. He's scoring every forty touches. He

437
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: also averaged like a yard and a half more per

438
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: reception than he ever has. Then, I mean, then his

439
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 2: career averaged over nine and he played every single game,

440
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 2: but he's mis thirty six over the past five year,

441
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, and all that, and he's still average only

442
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: seven point three touches and it's just over thirty. So

443
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: like this, like Jarvi kid's screams fade. Oh yeah, so

444
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do with that. Like, personally, I'm

445
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: just gonna invest in Pacheco. But yeah, I mean Edwards Hilaire,

446
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: I mean, McKinnon's probably gonna have his games, and he's

447
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: you know, he's probably not He's probably not gonna stay

448
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: healthy again. So Edward's Ailarica kind of factor back in.

449
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: But I just really think Pachecko he has too much

450
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 2: talent to keep him off the field. And that's why

451
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: he saw his his even his past game usage start

452
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: going up down the stretch last year because I just

453
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: think they want to get him the ball. You know, No,

454
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey is thirty four, like they need

455
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: playmakers and he's he's that Just one last.

456
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: Question about Pachecko and then we can move on.

457
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Speaker 3: But this is a situation I faced in drafts like

458
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: constantly as I'm debating. So I'll you pick one of

459
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: these running backs James Connor, Isaiah pachecka or Dave Montgomery.

460
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 3: They're usually all available right around the same time. You

461
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: know that i'd like to draft his guys. Which one

462
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: would you pick if they're available right now?

463
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: I'll go give him Montgomery because number he usually goes

464
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: the latest of those three, uh probably has the best

465
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: offensive line. And I mean the offenses aren't as far

466
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: apart anymore as you would think, you know, like between

467
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Liaians. Like obviously the Chiefs are

468
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: still better, but you know, Andy reach Shenanigans. There's always

469
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of downside there with yea with Pacheco,

470
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: but Montgomery, I mean that that that Jamal Williams rode

471
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: with forty five carries inside the ten wead in the

472
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: league by sixteen, I think Montgomery could be ticketed for that.

473
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: So ye yeah, I like Montgomery, but I like Pacheco's well,

474
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: I have no problem with him at his was RB

475
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: twenty six, No problem with him that ADP. I want.

476
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: I want all of those guys. Connor is probably the riskiest,

477
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: just because the Cardinals are going to be a dumpster fire.

478
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: But I mean in West Sty sign a running back

479
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: and I don't I haven't seen them make any moves.

480
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be in there like eighty five percent

481
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: of snaps.

482
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Speaker 1: He's healthy, so exactly.

483
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: Okay, who are so the recap for the Chiefs. Who

484
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: do you like any sleepers? Undervalue guys.

485
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think Rashid Rice going around wide receiver seventy,

486
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to take flyers on some of these

487
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: Chiefs receivers.

488
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Speaker 1: I just like that.

489
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: I think that's a sweet spot to kind of gamble

490
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: in his upside and he won't kill you if he

491
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: doesn't pan out.

492
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Speaker 1: But I do like him as a rookie.

493
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: Like I said, he gives me like Chris Godwin type vibes,

494
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: So I like him.

495
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: I like basically all Chiefs players.

496
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: We want to invest in this offense, but I think

497
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: based on his ADP, he's one of the best values.

498
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the Chiefs have no receivers going inside

499
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: the top forty, so wow, not a bad not a

500
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 2: bad team to invest in. For me, I'm going sky More.

501
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: I think he'll take that year or two leap and

502
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, emerge as a big part of this offense.

503
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: And he's you know, in the wide receiver fifty range.

504
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: It's pretty much all upside from there. You should have

505
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: your starters and probably maybe even your wide receiver four

506
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: by then as well. So like me, some sky More

507
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: what about busts or over value guys.

508
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: Got to be jerk McKinnon. You know, his his.

509
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: ADP isn't like egregious, like he will kind of put

510
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 3: up those numbers at the end of the day. In

511
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: a PPR format, you shall not where you start five

512
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: running backs.

513
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Speaker 1: He should be the only time I.

514
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: Would take the over all day on forty three over

515
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: as in he'll fall lower, but yeah, higher than forty three, right,

516
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: But he.

517
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: Doesn't have much upside, Like that's my point, and that's

518
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: we're here to win fantacy football not finished like six, so.

519
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: You want to win game.

520
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to win your league, don't take him.

521
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 3: Take somebody else in this range because there's a ton

522
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: of guys with way more upside than Jack McKinnon in

523
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: this range.

524
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: Last year, Like, anytime you see one of these PPR

525
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: backs pop, like you want to get off that next year,

526
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Like it's always going to be a couple of them

527
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: that pop, and you got to get out in front

528
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: of him rather than you know, Chase the year before,

529
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: because first of all, this is a Chiefs Like it's

530
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: not like they need to be uh, they gonna better. Yeah,

531
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Speaker 2: And if anything, McKinnon is probably going to be mostly

532
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: a pasqualker. I mean, I just don't see him getting

533
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: more like much more than those seven touches per game

534
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: if he even stays healthy. Ye, all right, let's go

535
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: to a Chargers. Herbert is the QB seven. I think

536
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 2: the interesting thing with him is in this offense is

537
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: that Kellen Moore comes over from the Cowboys. Was the

538
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: form was the OCI of the Cowboys. Now he's replacing

539
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi as the offensive coordinator in l A. And

540
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like if you've done your

541
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: play team play projections yet, but the Chargers could be

542
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: even faster this year. I mean were they were top

543
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: six in situation neutral pace according to Football Outsiders in

544
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: each of Herbert's three seasons. Well, Kellen Moore with the

545
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: Cowboys situation neutral pace second second, first second, So there's

546
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: not much room to go up. But if there is,

547
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: this Charger team could be even faster. Herbert's been kind

548
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: of up and down in his career. QB eight in

549
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: points per game his rookie year, than QB three in

550
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, but then down at QB fifteen last year.

551
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: And I think that was a lot to do. Number one,

552
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: there's a lot of injuries. But number two, Yeah, I

553
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: just think Lombardi's scheme, you know, there's a lot more

554
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: of those, like underneath throws. He wasn't really going down

555
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: the field as much. So hopefully Kellen Morkan unlockedout.

556
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh yeah, hopefully, Yeah, hopefully they

557
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 3: operated at a faster pace, although they don't really need to.

558
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: But that's something kell Moore could bring. But I think

559
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: it's the downfield passing. Justin Herbert had what the third

560
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: lowest intended ariards last year, like next to Kyler and

561
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan and Daniel Jones, So that's terrible. I mean,

562
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: he has one of the best arms in football, so

563
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: hopefully more you know, forces him, pushed the ball down

564
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: field a bit more.

565
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: And you know, Herbert had a pretty down year last year.

566
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: He was QB eleven, but that had a lot to

567
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: do with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams missing just a

568
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: ton of time. He only had both of the guys

569
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: healthy for four full games the final four games of

570
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: this season, so he should improve, you know, with injury

571
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: luck to those receivers. But they also added a first

572
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: round receiver in Quinton Johnson, which could help you to

573
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: just solidify their depth where if one of those guys

574
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: goes down, it doesn't the offense doesn't fall apart.

575
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: So I think that's massive. And you know, Herbert at

576
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: QB seven makes sense.

577
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: Because I still want these, you know, quarterbacks that run

578
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: a lock like Lamar Jackson justin fields. So Herbert makes

579
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: sense at QB seven. It's just like, you know, he

580
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: only offers so much upside at that point. I'm probably

581
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: targeting running backs wide receivers still, so usually that's sort

582
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: of the dead zone when it comes to quarterbacks. But

583
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: I do like investing in this passing attack with Kelmore

584
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: there now, yeah, because.

585
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean the thing about Herbert is, you know he goes,

586
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: yeah he's QB seven, but he usually goes you know,

587
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: closer to the top fifty, you know, top you know,

588
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: first five rounds, whereas you know you could wait and

589
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: get a Deshaun Watson usually you know, a few rounds later,

590
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: even though he's only a couple of slots lower in

591
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: the QB ranks, and even Trevor Lawrence sometimes goes a

592
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: lot later. If you're gonna no, I do think Herbert

593
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: has significant ups and I do want exposure to Herbert

594
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: because again I think just the upside with the pace

595
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: and with the receiving talent. I mean you're you're looking

596
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: at a potential like I would say, like a forty

597
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: five fifty touchdown, five thousand yard season is like his

598
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: high end of outcomes. So I definitely want some exposure.

599
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: Jim and he averaged eighteen more pass yards a game

600
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: with Keenan Allen last year to eighty six versus two

601
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: sixty eight, and his yards per attempt was almost a

602
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: full yard higher in the ten games Allen played, So Allen,

603
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna counter him even though he's getting

604
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: a little older to play more than ten games, you know,

605
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: play fourteen to fifteen sixteen games. Mike Williams miss four

606
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: games as well as you mentioned, so a lot of talent.

607
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: No real qualms about Herbert. I do want some, but

608
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: probably a best ball. I love the upside in bastball,

609
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's there are better values I think at

610
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: quarterback once you get past you know, fields in Jackson

611
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: than going Herbert there. Alan is wide receiver seventeen. I

612
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: think people were actually sleeping on him a little. I

613
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: mean he missed ten games last year. Every time a

614
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: guy missed his games, I feel like they're a little

615
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: bit discounted that next year. But he's still averaged six

616
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: plus catches in seventy plus yards every single season since

617
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. So like this guy is, he still runs

618
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: routes with the best of them. He's always in the

619
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: you know, top fifteen every year since seventeen in points

620
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: per game. And you know, last year when he was

621
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: on the field, he was still very, very productive, even

622
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: with Herbert having a down year. So I don't think

623
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: he and Allen's really going to fall off too much

624
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: at all, you know, average six point six catches for

625
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: seventy five point two yards per game, and that was

626
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: even with you know, kind of being in and out

627
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: and having some nagged injuries last year. So I think

628
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: he's still gonna kind of gracefully kind of play through,

629
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, another couple of years before he really decline.

630
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: So I'm buying keenan Allen at wide receiver seventeen. I mean,

631
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: you're almost guaranteed a top a top you know, twelve

632
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: to fifteen at least wide receiver in points per game

633
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: anytime he's on the field. And if anything, you know,

634
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: adding another guy like Johnston should only help take some

635
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: of the coverage off Johnson and get him, I mean, Elf, Allen,

636
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: get him some most in the coverage.

637
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have the nail on the head.

638
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: I mean he if he's healthy, he should easily beat

639
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: this ADP. I think he was like wide receiver six

640
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: or seven in points per game when he was actually

641
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: healthy last year. So he's still got it and he's

642
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: one of the easiest players to project when he's healthy.

643
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: Just pencil him in for one hundred catches, eleven hundred yards,

644
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: and six to seven touchdowns and I'll take that at

645
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: wide receiver seventeen, especially if this offense does, you know,

646
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: improve play a faster pace.

647
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I love getting Allen right here.

648
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember Kevin Moore. In the twenty twenty one

649
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: season with the Cowboys, they had three receivers finish in

650
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: the top forty five. Ceedee Lamb was seventeen, Cooper was

651
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: twenty six, and then Wilson was forty five. So you know,

652
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: with the pace, with the talent they have, I wouldn't

653
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: be surprised to see that again. So you know, you

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: have Mike Williams at twenty five. That's always been your guy,

655
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: and but now he's got he's got some competition from Johnston,

656
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: who I know you like as well, and then Palmer's

657
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: also like you love these he's big bide chargers of course,

658
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: So how do you kind of what do you see

659
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: is the playing time and do you think these guys

660
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: can like Williams's wide receiver twenty five usually goes twenty

661
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: five to thirty and then Johnson usually in Johnston usually

662
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: in that in the late forties. What do you do

663
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: you what do you see as far as those guys

664
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: in terms of living up to the ADP?

665
00:32:59,800 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

666
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I still like Mike Williams in best ball,

667
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: specifically stacking him with Justin Herbert in this range. Unfortunately

668
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: he is dealing just with like a nagging back injury,

669
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: it seems, so I don't know if he can count

670
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: on him to play seventeen games, but when he's out there,

671
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: you know, he has high end wide receiver two upside,

672
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: and I think last year he was definitely hurt by

673
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: Herbert not pushing the ball.

674
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: Downfield as much.

675
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: So I think if they if more, you know, has

676
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: Herbert pushed the ball downfield, that's only going to benefit

677
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: Mike Williams.

678
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: And I love Quentin Johnston. You know, he has all.

679
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: The attributes to be a true number one wide receiver.

680
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: He just hasn't put all together yet. But he has

681
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: the physical attributes. I mean, he's six four to twelve,

682
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: but he hasn't been really good at contested catches. He

683
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: doesn't play like a bigger receiver. So hopefully with like

684
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: NFL coaching, he can fix that. And he has like

685
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins type of upside if that comes to fruition,

686
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: and that's he's in a great offense to do that.

687
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: So I do like taking some flyers on Johnston around

688
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: wide receiver forty seven.

689
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, if.

690
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: Either Allen or Williams goes down, he has wide receiver

691
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: too sort of upside. You can't really say that with

692
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 3: many guys, you know, just outside of the top fifty.

693
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: There's also a chance that Josh Palmer stays involved, especially

694
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: if Johnson struggles. But in this range, I'm still into

695
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: investing in upside, So I like Johnson there. And then

696
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: back to my boy Josh Palmer. I think that last

697
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: year was the year to have him, and he you know,

698
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: he was able to step up when both Key and

699
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Allen and Mike Williams were down. I think that's why

700
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: his value might be a little bit over inflated this year.

701
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: So I'm not getting much Josh Palmer, a wide receiver

702
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: sixty nine.

703
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: I think last year was the year to have him.

704
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: Johnston is a way better talent could overtake him fully

705
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: in his rookie season. So Palmer's not a guy I'm

706
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: getting too much of this year.

707
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bring up a good point Aboutilliams and and

708
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: that in the back injury. I believe he suffered it

709
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: in that in the Jaguars in the playoff game, right, Uh,

710
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: you know that is that is concerning. And I just

711
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: wonder if the Chargers, you know, might have been kind

712
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: of whoking ahead, because you know, Johnston is another They're

713
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: not the same kind of player, but another big body

714
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: or you know, on the bigger side Palmer. You know,

715
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: like they got a lot of size here. I just

716
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: wonder if they want to maybe limit Williams snaps a

717
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: little bit more to keep him health. I mean's he's

718
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: he's twenty nine years old. But you know, these big

719
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: bodied receivers like a Mike will just that already. You know,

720
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: you you see some like these guys can fall off

721
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: a cliff, and you combine that with a back injury,

722
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: and you know two other guys that could, you know,

723
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: like they could easily play Mike Williams like sixty five

724
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: to seventy five percent of snaps that they really wanted

725
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: to and be completely fine. So I'm actually a little

726
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: bit worried about Mike Williams at wide receiver twenty five.

727
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he was going closer to thirty, you know,

728
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. But I think he actually might

729
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: be a little bit risky here, just because you know, they're,

730
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: like I said, Johnson, they obviously draft him for a reason.

731
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: Allen still Allan's gonna play more games. So yeah, Williams

732
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: actually might have some downside now that I think about

733
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: it a little, Oh yeah.

734
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: He is definitely risky.

735
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: That's why I said I prefer a best ball stacks

736
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: with Herbert specifically, because I think that's how Herbert has,

737
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, a top three type of season that you

738
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: were alluding to, is like Mike Williams is healthy and

739
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: has a great season, they're pushing it downfield. So I

740
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: think Herbert with Mike Williams is just maximizing that upside.

741
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: But I agree.

742
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: Just taking Williams by himself is a bit risky, just

743
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: because I don't know if he can play seventeen games anymore.

744
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: And like you said, if they do limit his snaps,

745
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: that's probably wise and he could still put up numbers,

746
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: but certainly wide receiver twenty five be a bit high

747
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: if that ends up being the plan. So yeah, I'd

748
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: be careful with him, but stacking him with Herbert is

749
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: just how you maximize your best ball team ceiling.

750
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had five games last year where he had

751
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: under thirty five yards and four games with under twenty yards,

752
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: so a little bit of boom er bus. I think

753
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: you could kind of see that continue for Williams. What

754
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: about Jared Everetts tighten nineteen? What do you think, am?

755
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was solid last year.

756
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: I think that was like the best case scenario because

757
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: where he finished tight end fifteen because both Kean Allen

758
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: and Mike Williams missed a ton of time and also

759
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: Donald Parham missed a ton of time too, so it

760
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: was like ever I remember we were talking like we

761
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: had Everett as like a top five tight end at times,

762
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: like he was popping my models. So if last year

763
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: was the best best case scenario is tight end fifteen.

764
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: I think he's going to take a slight step back

765
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: this year because everyone's back healthy and now you have

766
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: Quinton Johnston in the mix. But you know, tight end

767
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: nineteen is kind of cheap for the Chargers starting tight end,

768
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: so I would be getting a little bit of Everett

769
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 3: in this range, but I still think I rather tap

770
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: into the upside of like Kink k Laporta, those types

771
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: of guys. But Everett, you know, he's a solid guy

772
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: at you know, tight end nineteen range. But I think

773
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 3: last year was definitely his ceiling.

774
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like without Keenan Allen, Everett twenty percent targets

775
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: per route and six targets a game. With Keenan Allen,

776
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: you dropped from twenty percent to seventeen percent and the

777
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: targets dropped from six to five per game. So and

778
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: I think I think that's kind of where he'll be,

779
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: especially with them adding you know, more, more, more receiving talent.

780
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: You still got Equery there, which is that kind of

781
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: hurts tight ends because Equery is such a good receiving back.

782
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: Everett's one of the fascinating things if you look at

783
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: his career stats is his receptions and receiving arts have

784
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: gone up each of the last six seasons. I think

785
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: that trend comes to an end.

786
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's kind of tough for

787
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: him to get any better. I mean, he finish the

788
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 2: Artist two years ago and is the RB one last year.

789
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just been a.

790
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: Steady, just complete rise, and I think last year was

791
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 3: the peak.

792
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, forty two and a half yards per game,

793
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: six point three catches. He probably they probably don't need

794
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: to do all that, but he'll still probably be around

795
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: one hundred one hundred yards per game and has thirty

796
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: eight touchdowns over the last two years, and he's only

797
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: missed one game. And I think that's where him only

798
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: having about one hundred and fifty touches per season over

799
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: his first four years in the league really helps because

800
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: he's starting to carry the load now. But he's been

801
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: able to stay healthy and obviously he keeps himself in

802
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: very good shape. So I guess the only question with

803
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: him is is it gonna be Kelly or Spiller? Is

804
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: the handcuff. I'd probably still mean Kelly. I just don't

805
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: think we've seen enough out of Spiller, where Kelly has

806
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: shown some flashes, but it's probably not gonna matter if

807
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Ekwer continues to stay healthy. But Kelly did get seven carries.

808
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: He's in thirty four percent at least thirty four percent

809
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: of snaps in each of the last seven games, including

810
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: the posts the wild card game where I don't know

811
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: why Ecker wasn't you getting used more? But any any

812
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: thoughts on who might win that battle or just kind

813
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: of wait and see.

814
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's definitely a wait and see. I would

815
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: say Kelly is the favorite. You know, he managed to

816
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: hold off Spiller last year, so I don't see that

817
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: changing drastically, but it's far from a slam dug. So

818
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 3: right now I think Kelly, since he's around RB seventy

819
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: three and Spiller's around RB eighty, I think Kelly is

820
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: clearly the better play because I don't think it's going

821
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: to be that close.

822
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: But you know, both of these guys.

823
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: Are probably worth flyers at times in that range because

824
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: they're one injury way of potentially being you know, like

825
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: an RB three flex. But right now I would I

826
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: would lean Kelly. And you said last year, you were

827
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: you were at you were at the game, and Kelly.

828
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: Was all right, Yeah, his numbers aren't really impressive for

829
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: his career, but he did look good. He has look

830
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: good on films, so yeah, I would give him the

831
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: edge as well. And I mean he's essentially a free

832
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: handcuff if he is the handcuff, so that is something

833
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: I would monitor. But unfortunately, you know, we don't we

834
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: don't really know what's gonna happen. Act. We could just

835
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: make predictions and we both think it's gonna be Kelly.

836
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, I mean, you know, in this situation,

837
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: there's still it's still somewhat of a toss up, like

838
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 2: it's still probably like s forty sixty five thirty five.

839
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Kelly was a fourth round prospect too.

840
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: Spiller was a fourth rounder last year.

841
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: He was kind of volatile prospect, not hurt he did, Yeah, well, he.

842
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: Didn't flash even when he was healthy. So that's why

843
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I would just give the edge to

844
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: Kelly right now until proven otherwise. And their ADPs are

845
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: so close that, you know, I think that Kelly is

846
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: the way to go at the time. You know, we

847
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: have training camp coming up, We're gonna have a lot

848
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: of news and things like that. So this is something

849
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: the monitor. We definitely want to invest in this backfield,

850
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: these backups, but right now it's just it's you know,

851
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: Kelly for me.

852
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: And don't be I mean, maybe the Chargers go out

853
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: and get one of those free agent running backs too,

854
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: because if you know, like a maybe, if like they

855
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: could get a cheap Kareem Hunt or somebody like that. Yeah, no,

856
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: you never know, because they had Sony Michelle in there

857
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: last year, just giving him carries over spiller too. So

858
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: all right, so to recap you know, sweepers and bust,

859
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: I'll just go quick.

860
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: For me.

861
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: I think Keithan Allen's a little bit undervalued. I think

862
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: Mike Williams is a little bit overvalued.

863
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: What about you for my sleeper, just Quentin Johnson. That's

864
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: that's the time arrange. I do like to take a

865
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: rookie receiver, especially in a really good offense like this,

866
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: Like I said, he has upside even if you know,

867
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: Keithenan Allen or Mike Williams missed time. So that's why

868
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: I think this year, unfortunately, Josh Palmer's my bust. I

869
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: just think he needs a lot of things to go

870
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: his way and he's he's being drafted inside.

871
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: Of the top seventy. So I just don't see it.

872
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: Last year was the time to have Josh Palmer.

873
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: I let's go to the Denver Broncos. Sean Payton replaces

874
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett slash Jerry Rossberg, head head coach, Joe Lombardi

875
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: comes here. But it's just Sean Payton's offense. Russell Wilson.

876
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he's gone to be fifteen, and I think

877
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: he's he's the key here. Like if you like Russell Wilson,

878
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: you probably like other guys on this offense. So, I mean,

879
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: last year it was everything went wrong. He had a

880
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: cur he even had a career. He had double the

881
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: amount of batted passes that he's ever had in his career.

882
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: He had eighteen batted passes last year. So I'm assuming

883
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: that will regress a little bit. But you know, his

884
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: his he took more sacks. His sack rate on pressures

885
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: went from eighteen percent two years ago, twenty percent, no

886
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: eight percent three years ago to twenty percent two years

887
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: ago to twenty seven percent last year. That was a

888
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: career worse. He only scrambled four point nine percent of

889
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: the time where a couple of years ago, you know,

890
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: he was around eight percent, but the last two years

891
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: it's been down around five percent, So you know he

892
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: needs to scramble more, I think to unlock you know,

893
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: what he's capable of. But I mean just across the

894
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: board his worst season, do you think Sean Payton can

895
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: turn him around or I guess to what extent because

896
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of on the down side of

897
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: his career to you know, getting a little older as

898
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: a guy who did rely on his legs short. You know,

899
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: may things happened off schedule. That's probably not gonna be harder.

900
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: But like, how much do you see a potential turnaround

901
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: here with pay.

902
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it can't get much worse.

903
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: And despite the disaster of a season last year, he

904
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: still finishes the QB sixteen, which is lower than his ADP.

905
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: But man, the.

906
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: Other side of the coin was Gino Smith finishes the

907
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: QB five and I said last year, it's all like

908
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's going in to a much better situation. You know,

909
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: he had DK Metcalf and Tyrol Lockett doesn't get much

910
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: better than that, So I think this is about right.

911
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: I mean, who are you going to take him over

912
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, Jared Goff.

913
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: No, I would take Goff and Richardson over Wilson, but

914
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: I would take Wilson over Rogers.

915
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's basically Rogers is the punching bag. But yeah,

916
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

917
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: That's why it does seem fair. I think he will

918
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: turn it around. I don't know what happened last year.

919
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: I guess he didn't want to learn the Audibles too.

920
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: There's some talk about that. So having a Sean Payton

921
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: I think will correct a lot. And Wilson still has

922
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 3: some solid weapons and Jerry Judy Corland, Sutton, Greg Dolciic, So.

923
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: QB eighteen sounds about right.

924
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna bounce back with like

925
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: a top five season or anything like that, but you know,

926
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: high end QB two season certainly in his Ranger Dot comes.

927
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: I'm just not too interested just where he's going. If

928
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, Richard Center Golfer there. But once they're off

929
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: the board, sure, I'll take some Russell Wilson.

930
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean as a in that range. You know

931
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: there is some like if you wait on a quarterback.

932
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we keep talking about it's tougher and tougher

933
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: to wait on quarterbacks these days. But you know Wilson,

934
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: I know he's lost some way. You know, they're saying

935
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: maybe maybe you look to scramble a little bit more.

936
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: They've been practicing more scramble Drew. So I mean there's

937
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: some upside there. I don't I don't mind h Wilson,

938
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: Like you said, he's kind of going right around where

939
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: he finished last year anyway, and what was essentially a disaster.

940
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: So at QB fifteen QB sixteen's probably there's mostly upside there.

941
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: So I actually don't mind him. Jerry Judy's at wide

942
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: receiver twenty and Courtland Sutton at wide receiver thirty nine.

943
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on these two Bronco the top

944
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: two Bronco receivers.

945
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I still like Judy, you know, he's Yeah,

946
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 3: despite wilson struggles last year, he still managed to finish

947
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: the wide receiver eighteen. He's still young, you know, he's

948
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: only twenty four years old, still entering his prime. But

949
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: he should face more target competition this year with Tim

950
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 3: Patrick back. I do like rookie Marvin Mins because the

951
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: Broncos they didn't really have a number three wide receiver

952
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: they could rely on last year. I mean it was ugly,

953
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: so you know, he should have more target competition. I

954
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: don't think that's going to knock Judy off too much,

955
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: but I do think the wide receiver twenty one range

956
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: is fair. The only problem is is he sits like

957
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: atop a pretty massive wide receiver two slash wide receiver

958
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: three tier, or you get guys a little bit later

959
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: on that I'm projecting like just like one point lower

960
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: than him. So that's the only reason I'd shy away

961
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: is I'd rather just wait and get a tire Lockett

962
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk, Jonathan Johnson brain I, you know, maybe a

963
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: couple mounds later. So this just has to do with tears, right.

964
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: I think Judy's ranked accordingly, but that's you know, he's

965
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: sitting on top of a massive tier. So where Judy's going,

966
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 3: I rather just pivot and sometimes you get justin fields

967
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 3: there George Kittle or Joe Mixon. I'm usually attacking other

968
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: positions when this wide receiver tier starts, So that's kind

969
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: of why I'm fading Judy, not not necessarily his rank,

970
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: but just this range.

971
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: It's easier to wait at receiver.

972
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like he's he's a very good receiver, but

973
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: there's like a what there's some uncertainty here, And you know,

974
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: his best performances last year came in a couple of

975
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: games that Courtland Sutton missed. When Sutton was out for

976
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: a couple of games, Judy averaged eight and a half targets,

977
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: seven and a half catches, seventy five yards, and had

978
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: in one and a half touchdowns per game with Sutton

979
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: in the lineup. You know, four for sixty three is

980
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: still pretty good, but you know, not many touchdowns to

981
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: speak of. And yeah, he's not He's a he's a

982
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: solid pick there, but I don't know, he's nothing's kind

983
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: of screaming out at you. I guess Sutton. Sutton worries

984
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: me a little bit. I mean, I know he's with

985
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: three years removed now from the injury, but he really

986
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: hasn't been the same. You know, that year before the

987
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: injury twenty nineteen, two point one yards per route, five

988
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: yards after the catch per reception, and since he's only

989
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: araging about one and a half yards per route and

990
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: he has he was he had the worst yards per

991
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: catch in the league last year among qualifiers that just

992
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: two point one oh yards after to catch perception just

993
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: two point one and that's been dropping, you know, twenty

994
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: nineteen it was it was more than double that and

995
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: just kind of got half ever since he came back.

996
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: So I think he's a little bit risky. I you know, Nims,

997
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: the fact that they drafted Mims and was at the

998
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: end of the second round and Patrick's coming back. Like

999
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: you said, you know, if Sometton struggles, you know, there's

1000
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: a chance he kind of maybe doesn't play, you know,

1001
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the snaps as a true starting wide

1002
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: receiver like he he used to. So yeah, I'm not

1003
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: really on Sutton Patrick. I was kind of down on Bud.

1004
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely gonna get a chance to probably start.

1005
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: I mean he's what he's like a as like a

1006
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: you're paying him like ten million bucks this year and

1007
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: U paid Yeah, and he and he's their best blocking

1008
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: receiver as well. Yeah, you know, there's a you know,

1009
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: just because of the uncertainty. I mean if you look

1010
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: at Patrick at Wiresiver at ninety and Sutton at whire

1011
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: Resiver thirty nine, I actually, you know, Patrick's actually the

1012
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: guy probably the better value there, so I can't I

1013
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: can't knock him too much. And then Mims at eighty

1014
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: four probably more of like a situational, deep threat gadget

1015
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 2: type of player, but he is really their only speed,

1016
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: uh like on like at the scale position. I mean,

1017
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: Judy is not like super fast you know, Williams and

1018
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: p Ryan not super fast Sutton. Like really, that's how

1019
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: I think Mims gets on a field is because they

1020
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: need some speed. But Dulcage probably is is a value

1021
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: at tight end sixteen he averaged just over forty yards

1022
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: per game in his rookie year.

1023
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think, uh, first off is Courland Sutton's

1024
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 3: still kind of like on the trade block.

1025
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: What's up with that? Or is that died down I

1026
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: mean traded?

1027
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean that's probably wouldn't be a good

1028
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: sign because that that would just kind of tell you

1029
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: that they don't like because like why like why would

1030
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: you trade Courtland Sutton if you're Sean Payton You're coming

1031
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: in here, like he should be a locked in starter, right,

1032
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: like he's supposed to be good, but he just really

1033
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: has been very average even a little boo over yah

1034
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: time since coming.

1035
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: Well see, but I going back to Marvin Mims. I

1036
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: think that you're right, Like he's the speed he is

1037
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: what I think we wanted kJ Hamler to be and

1038
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: what Denver I mean, Handler is still there, but Mims

1039
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: will have that kind of role. He's like a really

1040
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: fast slought receiver, but he's not really a possession guy.

1041
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: He's a vertical threat.

1042
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: So in Sean Payton's scheme, that has some upside, especially

1043
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 3: in best Ball, So I think he is absolutely worth

1044
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: a flyer in that range. You know, have to figure.

1045
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to have a big player too

1046
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: every once in a while. So love him and best ball.

1047
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I'm passing on Sutton at ADP and

1048
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: investing in Patrick at wide receiver ninety seven. That seems

1049
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: pretty egregious and he always seems to outperform ADP. So

1050
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: that's kind of how I'm handling the Broncos receivers is

1051
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: kind of kind of punting on Judy and Sutton investing

1052
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: in these cheaper guys Mims and Patrick.

1053
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's our hope setting gets Trady because

1054
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: that would really open it up for mem But yeah, Patrick,

1055
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 2: you know I was down on him, but he actually

1056
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: might be a cheap guy who's getting like eighty ninety

1057
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: percent of snaps. If he although that you do worry about,

1058
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, a guy who's never like an amazing athlete

1059
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: coming coming back off the ACL So just another guy

1060
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: to kind of monitor, but could be a value. But yeah,

1061
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: something's kind of the guy I'm a little bit worried about.

1062
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: Uh Dsich. I like him at Titan sixteen. You know,

1063
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: I think he has a chance to finish top twelve.

1064
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: You know, I know Man Hurts is there to block

1065
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: and they got Troutman, but dulsuch Is is a receiving

1066
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: tight end, and you know this offense is going to

1067
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: be a completely different one, so you know that that

1068
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: is a little bit concerning. But it's like this, there's

1069
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: only so many tight ends with that, like the talent

1070
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: that Dsic has, and you know there's a chance that

1071
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: he is a big part of this offense, Like he

1072
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: could be the number two target after Judy in you

1073
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: know if something struggles and and Patrick kind of is

1074
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: kind of more of a jack of will trade, so

1075
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: like him. What do you think of Javante because he's

1076
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: going inside the top twenty. You know, me, I don't

1077
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: like to trust these guys. Where it's like coming off injuries,

1078
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: we don't know exactly how well they're here, and we

1079
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: don't know exactly how much they're gonna play. Early on

1080
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: in the year he ruptured, you know, he didn't just

1081
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: toar his ACL, he also ruptured his LCL and suffered

1082
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: trauma to other structures in and around his knees. So

1083
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: even if the ACL was good, it doesn't mean his

1084
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: like entire leg and knee is healed. And we're keep

1085
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: here in Denver is one of the top spots for

1086
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook. So like, I'm out on Javante, rather get

1087
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: me some p run at thirty nine? What about you?

1088
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you.

1089
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: Just he might not be ready by week one, and

1090
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: even if he is, like, what's his role going to be?

1091
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 3: Are they going to ease him in? Kind of like

1092
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: what we saw with JK. Dobbins last year. It's a

1093
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 3: very scary situation. And he's obviously he has RB one upside,

1094
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: we know that, but I'm probably gonna hold off this

1095
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: year just because they're there's too much downside. There's other

1096
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: backs in this range that can give you seventeen quality games,

1097
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: and we just can't say that about Javanti right now.

1098
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, RB twenty two he would have to fall

1099
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: outside of like the top twenty eight. I think for

1100
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 3: me to like consider him until we get some more

1101
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: positive news.

1102
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: But I'm right there with you.

1103
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: I think RB twenty two is way too high.

1104
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, eleven zero point nine carries for fifty three yards

1105
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: per game in his rookie year, eleven point eight for

1106
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: fifty one last year. So I think that he just

1107
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: might not be a guy you can handle, you know,

1108
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 2: twenty carries and that, you know, the fact that they

1109
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: got p Ryan in and they're flirting with with Cook

1110
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: kind of tells you that they probably feel feel the same.

1111
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1112
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: So p Ryan at RB thirty nine, that's that's a

1113
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: range where you know, it's mainly backups, where they probably

1114
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: need an injury to post RB two numbers, and p

1115
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: Ryan already has a clear path to that. You know,

1116
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: week one, he might be the starting running back. So

1117
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: I love p Ryan at RB thirty thirty nine right now,

1118
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: And he could get a handful of carries, like I said,

1119
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: like Javonte could struggle, they could put him on ice.

1120
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: And I think an interesting stack with p Ryan would

1121
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: be Breecee Hall who is another back I think has

1122
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 3: a ton of upside but might start the season kind

1123
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: of slow. So you get p Ryan starting the first

1124
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: couple of games, Breese Hall's easing in, and then you

1125
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: know Breese Hall.

1126
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Has a ton more value week three on.

1127
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: I think that p Ryan and Breese Hall stacks are

1128
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: kind of sneaky, but I love p Ryan at RB

1129
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 3: thirty nine right now.

1130
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't even touch Bresaw where

1131
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: he's going. I will not even just the fact that,

1132
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: like there's an injury question marks he's going like as

1133
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: a top to back, but the Jets are like one

1134
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: of the top land of spots for Cook as well.

1135
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: So like when you factored all there is a lot

1136
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: more downside, and I like you don't lose your draft

1137
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 2: early in the first round.

1138
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: It's almost like Ryan would be a good stack with

1139
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: the running back that you could see kind of getting

1140
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: off to his slow start.

1141
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Is I'm getting at yeah? And he was.

1142
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 3: Ryan was RB three overall in weeks twelve and thirteen

1143
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: when Nixon was out, so key. Ryan absolutely can handle

1144
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: a full workload. So love getting him right here, all.

1145
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: Right, Who do you like for sleepers Undervaldy guys for

1146
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: the Broncos.

1147
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: Greg Dulcic all the way. I mean, he was a

1148
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: tight end ten the ten games he was healthy. Last year,

1149
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: he wasn't even able to play till Week six, so

1150
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: he missed a lot of training camp preseason as rookie

1151
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: could be even better near two. The only concern is

1152
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: it's a new coaching regime, so they might like Albert

1153
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: Oh more than the old coaching staff.

1154
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: He could you know, factor in a bit.

1155
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: But I love Dulcic and the tight end sixteen Range

1156
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: obviously has you know, top twelve upside.

1157
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like. I like Dulcicic as well. There's like,

1158
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: like you said, there's only so many guys that can

1159
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 2: have that top twelve website. He does also. I also

1160
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: I think Russ could be a sleeper this year. Again,

1161
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: like he all things considered, is as bad as the

1162
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: year as he had still worse rushing upside, increased his

1163
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: rushing production over his last five games. I think he'll

1164
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 2: do more of that this year, So I don't mind

1165
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: him in that. You know, kep be fifteen to seventeen

1166
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: range and p Ryan as well, but be you know,

1167
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: be mindful of the fact that you know Cook could

1168
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: sign here, so not going overboard at least until Cook

1169
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: is signed.

1170
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: Busts Coral and Sutton.

1171
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: I just think he's priced too high, especially with Patrick

1172
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: coming back.

1173
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims could make some noise.

1174
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: So I think Sutton is probably the most overpriced guy

1175
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: on the Broncos.

1176
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: I agree, though, I say Javontai Williams gives him a

1177
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: run for his money. Oh yeah, like the fact that

1178
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: he tore all these ligaments. And I mean, you got Cook,

1179
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: you got p Ryan, you got injury issues. You never

1180
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: had average twelve carries in the season, even not not

1181
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: not loving it for Javonte, even though he's a talented guy. Yep,

1182
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: all right, Raiders can go pretty quick here. But let's

1183
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: I think the most interesting thing is Josh Jacobs. I'm

1184
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: starting to get a little worried about him. I know he's

1185
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: got something, got this contract situation. He might plan in

1186
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: the franchise tag. He's been a running a top sixteen

1187
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: running back every year of his career, but he had

1188
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty carries last year. It's only happened

1189
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: five other times, excluding when Le'Veon Bell sat out the

1190
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: next year, but five other times over the last decade,

1191
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: when we've seen at least three to twenty a back

1192
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 2: get they've averaged seven miss games the Nicks the next year,

1193
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: and all five of them dipped at least one yard

1194
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: in their yard per cavea average, and Jacobs did post

1195
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: a career high four point nine last year, So I

1196
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: just think the efficiency's gonna be down. And even though

1197
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: they went six and eleven, they lost nine of those

1198
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: eleven games by one score, so they still have a

1199
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: bottom five win total. And think its could be really

1200
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: bad in terms of game script for the Raiders this year.

1201
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: So I think last year was the year to buy

1202
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: low on Jacobs when everyone freaked out because he played

1203
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: in the preseason game or something. This year, I don't think.

1204
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: I want he looks really he looked really good in

1205
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: that preseason game though, yeah, no he did.

1206
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: I think I just I just think this is the

1207
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: year to like take a stuck. I was getting Jacobs

1208
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: like it's like the RB twenty rby thirty last year.

1209
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: Now I have to pay a top ten price and

1210
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: the guy's not even signed. I'm going to I think

1211
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: this is kind of the start a frozen pond. Like

1212
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: after Nick Chubb, they get Jacob's number eight. I mean

1213
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: it worries me a little just game script, new quarterback,

1214
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: potentially injured quarterback, potentially like yeah, it's just a bad

1215
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: defense games like, just a lot of concerns. So yeah,

1216
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't not not really feeling Jacobs. What about you.

1217
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously last year is the time to get him.

1218
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: He was a league winner, no doubt about it. I

1219
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: actually had in my notes last year he was my

1220
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: sleeper pick because said they're going to un him into

1221
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: the ground and you know, kip him to the curb.

1222
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: But like you said, just for a one hundred and

1223
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 3: forty carries, it's hard to bounce back with the repeat season.

1224
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: But I did like the just the increasing usage as

1225
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 3: a pass catcher. I mean, despite having Abdullah and Bolden there,

1226
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: you know, he led the way with the receiving usage

1227
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: average around you know, fifty to sixty routes run per game.

1228
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 3: So that was encouraging, especially if they're gonna be trailing

1229
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: more this year. So this situation is definitely worth monitoring.

1230
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: It's really hard to project the guy who might hold out,

1231
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 3: but you know, I think RB eight is a bit rich.

1232
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 3: Like you said, there is a little bit concern there.

1233
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: So this is one of the situations you should have

1234
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 3: had him last year. Wouldn't overpay him this year, especially

1235
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 3: with these concerns. I'm lukewarm on him at rbaight and he.

1236
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: Missed uh seven, you missed seven about like two to

1237
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: three games a year his first three years in a week,

1238
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: and then played all seventeen last year. Like especially with that,

1239
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: with that much usage and the fact that he's not

1240
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: really going to probably be in camp at all, it

1241
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: just it's one of those things like I've just watched

1242
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: enough football for enough years to like this. You know,

1243
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: you can't knock him too much, but just on of

1244
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: a gut field at this is going to be a

1245
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: little bit of a step back into at least into

1246
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: just like what we normally get from Jacob's like somewhere

1247
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: in like the eight hundred to eleven hundred rushing yard range,

1248
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, thirteen to fifteen games. Like just yeah, not

1249
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: the guy we got last year.

1250
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: But that was the lesson last year where a preseason

1251
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: isn't useless because if you watch that, it was like.

1252
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: Something like a Hall of Fame game. Yeah he was

1253
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: out there, but he I was like, oh.

1254
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: My god, he looks really good now, So that's why

1255
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: it's worth watching preseason. But that was bizarre that he

1256
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: was out there. That was just a bizarre preseason. But yeah,

1257
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: like he looked like on a different level last year unfortunately.

1258
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: I think that will obviously be his best season ever.

1259
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and so the quarterback situation now, I mean,

1260
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo is going as QB twenty nine. Josh McDaniel

1261
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: says he's not concerned about the offseason foot surgery. But Garoppolo,

1262
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: as far as I'm aware, has not passed his physical yet,

1263
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: and the Raiders can release him free of charge if

1264
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: he does not pass the physical before the start the season.

1265
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: But then you're looking at like Hoyer, Aidan O'Connell, the rookie,

1266
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: maybe a Carson Wentz or I mean he can. The

1267
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: defense I don't think is very good like this in

1268
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: is I mean, yeah, this, I'm not really feeling this

1269
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: just this Raider team. But to talk to me, what

1270
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: do you? What do you?

1271
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: What do you?

1272
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: What's your outlook for offense?

1273
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: No wonder Devanta Adams is tests right now? I mean,

1274
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: what a disaster.

1275
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that those cryptic tweets, that cryptic whatever he

1276
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: said like that that doesn't bode well for fantasy either,

1277
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 2: when he was like, I don't like how they're gonna

1278
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: use me this year.

1279
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 3: No, yeah, so not interested, not interested in Jimmy G

1280
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: in fantasy. I think you know, he benefited a lot

1281
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 3: from being in the fory n Iron system. I have

1282
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 3: all the respect for Kyle Shanahan making bad quarterbacks look good,

1283
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 3: and he had.

1284
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: A ton of weapons in San Francisco.

1285
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: Let's face it, so Raiders, although they have one of

1286
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Speaker 3: the best receivers in the game in Devanta Adams, it's

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Speaker 3: not an upgrade.

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Speaker 1: You know, they lost Darren Waller. So I am all

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Speaker 1: out on Jimmy G.

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Speaker 3: Especially just the chances that he could get cut make

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 3: him actually have a lower floor than most in this range.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm all out on Jimmy G.

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01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: And it's really tough to project the pass catchers, just

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: not knowing how this is going to shake out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean right now, you know, Devontae Adams at Wires,

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01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: he was six six even seems a little bit risky

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: because you know, going from Rogers to car but Carr

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01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: was his boy, like they had they knew each other,

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01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: they had chemistry. Now who even if it's Garoppolo, I

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: mean DeVante with averaging sixteen yards to catch last year.

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: You know, he he was running more downfield routes and

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01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: that's just not going to be there with Jimmy, So

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: you know, who knows how that would look. Even with

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01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: him Renfro, I think he might get trade. I don't

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: think they really want to use him. I don't think

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01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: McDaniels likes him the way Gruden did not any Car

1307
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: and him also had chemistry, and now Car's gone. But

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01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: Renfro took a big step back, just seventeen percent targets

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01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: per route after twenty two percent in the three you

1310
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: know his first three years in the league, and the

1311
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: yards were route went from one point nine to one

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: point one. So you know, I think I think if anything,

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01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be Jacoby Myers and uh and they're

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01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: gonna use a lot of two tight end sets, which

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01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: is what Adams is alluding to. So maybe Mayer at

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: tight end twenty five could take a flyer on him,

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01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: but Hooper is still there. So this is just the offense.

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01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: I really, I just really don't want anything to do

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: with even though like the defense should be bad enough

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: that like they have to pass a lot, Like it's

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01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 2: just there's just a lot of bad juju right now.

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: I feel like with this with this Raider team, like

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01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: this could be a dumpster fight. This could be the

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Speaker 2: worst team in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And uh, you know Adams at wide receiver six,

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01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: it's not a great situation, but he's to be proof.

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01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 3: Let's face it, he put up wide receiver number one

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: numbers with Brett Huntley under center in Green Bay, So

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01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 3: I think he's still sounds.

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01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: Art right at wide receiver six.

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: But like you said, you know, Jimmy g doesn't have

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 3: chemistry with anybody on this team. So those are the

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: chance he targets some of like Jacoby Myers a bit

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 3: more than we spect, which would ding Davante a bit.

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: And then like he's like, you know, Hunter Renfro, if

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: he gets traded, that'll help project you know, some of

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01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: these players a little bit higher. But Jacoby Myers is

1339
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: is tough to trust at wede receiver fifty. You know,

1340
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: he's doesn't have a high ceiling and he tends to

1341
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 3: need a lot of volume to produce, and playing alongside

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams is going to cut into that. So it's

1343
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: it's really hard to invest in any pass catcher right

1344
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 3: now until we see how this shakes out.

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01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, yeah, Adams obviously he's been QB proof,

1346
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: but I would still say this year more than any other,

1347
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: he probably has a downside, like the most downside he's

1348
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: had in like over half a decade.

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: Ever.

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, Myers is no longer the top target.

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01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: Renfro is completely kind of out of the equation like

1352
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: mcdanna's just for whatever reason. It's not doesn't like his freestyling,

1353
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, quadrup wal cut whatever routes. I don't even know,

1354
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: Like he's kind of in the doghouse. And yeah, then

1355
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: he got two tight ends. So it's not even like

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01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: Mayor can just come, you know, it's not like what

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 2: pored a situation. He's got to clear a pass like

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: Hooper could definitely you know, play like half the snaps.

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm pretty much out on this entire office.

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: But Jacobs really does worry me. I just think I

1361
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: just think there's a lot of downside with him at RBA,

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01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: Like I just wouldn't I wouldn't pencil him in for

1363
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: the same production just because McDaniels was still here that

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01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: he had last year, and Renfro as well. I think Renfro.

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Speaker 2: If Renfro stays on a Raiders, I just think he's

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01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: a complete non factor. If he goes somewhere else, maybe

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01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: maybe he resurrects himself. But no sweepers for me, any

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01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: any sweepers for you?

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: No, I have no one listed.

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, none for me, and then yeah Jacobs, but

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: really Jacobs and Renfro definitely the guys I think are

1372
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: are gonna have the most downside. But you know, Davante

1373
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: has more downside than he usually does. Myers not the

1374
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: number one, like every It just something not to like

1375
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: about everyone. And I don't see the upside outside of

1376
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: the defense just being so bad that they have to like.

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: And Jimmy garopp has not even been a high volume

1378
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: pass or ever, so even that like maybe like those

1379
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: five games at San Francisco and Is when he first

1380
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: got there. But you know, especially with all his injuries,

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: is that what they're gonna ask him to do? A Yeah,

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01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm well, I'm out, I'm out of the readers. That's

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: that's my That's the way to sum it up for me.

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01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: Any any busters guy just specifically down on him.

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01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it begins and ends with Jimmy G.

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01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: And he's the type of guy I would say, like,

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01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 3: I only like him in a two QB super flex

1388
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 3: format because he has a high floor, low ceiling. But

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: he has a low floor right now because like you said,

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01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 3: they could you know, release him and save all that

1391
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 3: cap space and then maybe he's not starting with anybody

1392
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: this year, so he has a pretty low floor baked in.

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01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: And just regardless it's this offense, I don't see it happening.

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01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 3: So it begins and ends with Jimmy G. Hard to

1395
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: find much value in this offense right now.

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01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if they you know, I think if

1397
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: Jimmy G is not the guy, and like you know,

1398
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: maybe they you know, some whoever's like this defense is

1399
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: I think gonna be bad. The division's tough, like they're

1400
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 2: gonna have to throw a lot, So maybe there will

1401
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: be some value at some point if free agent signs.

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01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, right now, with the way they're all priced,

1403
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: I can't do it. So I'm out. I'm out on

1404
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: the Raiders. That is going to wrap it up if

1405
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: you want to here Sean and I talking NFC West

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01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,280
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