Speaker 1: When is it ever okay to publicly discuss a woman's appearance.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that, but here we go. Hey,
Speaker 1: there are folks, Thank you for being here. TJ. That's robes.
Speaker 1: What are we robes?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: I thought the answer was supposed to be it's never
Speaker 1: okay to discuss or certainly criticize a woman's appearance in public.
Speaker 1: Is that just a blanket rule?
Speaker 3: I think that's the standard rule.
Speaker 2: I think the exception is when you think, perhaps there
Speaker 2: is a life at stake, if you think someone's.
Speaker 3: Health is at issue.
Speaker 2: Look, I can even go back to I remember being
Speaker 2: personally offended when a makeup artist told me that I
Speaker 2: looked pale and sickly, and I remember being immediately upset
Speaker 2: about it. Okay, come to find out that I was anemic,
Speaker 2: and I went back to that makeup artist because it
Speaker 2: got me thinking. I went to my doctor and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, thank you for saying something. Now, she
Speaker 2: didn't put it online, and she didn't tweet about it
Speaker 2: and make a public comment about it. But even someone
Speaker 2: who I had a relationship with who said something to me,
Speaker 2: my initial response was offense. But it turns out she
Speaker 2: actually was worried about me.
Speaker 1: Okay, she was worried about She had a concern there.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that's understandable, and that's personal. We talk
Speaker 1: about Ariana Grande, now, who I am getting caught up
Speaker 1: on just how much she has been enduring for the
Speaker 1: past several years. She's just thirty three. She's been half
Speaker 1: of her life in the public. At this point, it
Speaker 1: not just public, she's been famous for half of her life.
Speaker 1: She has now come out Robes and says she's gonna
Speaker 1: take a step back from the public life. She has
Speaker 1: and she specifically Robes said it was because of public scrutiny.
Speaker 1: We all have to know what she's talking about, even
Speaker 1: though she didn't say it was related to her appearance.
Speaker 3: Correct. I feel for this girl. Man, we know her brother.
Speaker 2: I've had the pleasure of actually interviewing her at a
Speaker 2: very difficult time. She had some controversies a few years back,
Speaker 2: and she sat down, she publicly addressed them, and I
Speaker 2: found her to be a kind, sweet, wildly talented young woman.
Speaker 3: Oh and we love her brother, Frankie Grande.
Speaker 2: And look, I think this is somebody who is beloved,
Speaker 2: and I think that might be the distinction Now people
Speaker 2: might think they're helping, but they could be piling on
Speaker 2: and hurting. And I think there is a fine line.
Speaker 2: And I do think that when you are wondering whether
Speaker 2: or not you should say something, whether or not you
Speaker 2: should bring something up, you should always air on.
Speaker 1: The side of not bringing it all okay, But then
Speaker 1: we talk about someone in public that robes. This is
Speaker 1: so difficult and delicate to do because to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: I didn't even want to hop on and talk about this,
Speaker 1: because certainly ain't if anybody should be saying anything. You
Speaker 1: would argue a man, which should be the last one
Speaker 1: conversing on a famous one's appearance. But robe she's been
Speaker 1: dogged by this for years and you can just put
Speaker 1: it out. It's so difficult to talk about this. But
Speaker 1: folks are coming out in half or years, some with concern,
Speaker 1: some with criticisms, some with harsh critique. That she looks thin,
Speaker 1: too thin, too thin, and dangerously thin.
Speaker 2: Dangerously thin, I think would be what some people would say.
Speaker 2: But I would also like, let's take the flip side
Speaker 2: and say someone is morbidly obese, that is a medical term.
Speaker 2: Is it okay to call that person out because you're
Speaker 2: worried about their health because you're worried that they may
Speaker 2: have a heart attack or die from diabetes or some
Speaker 2: weight related illness that, by the way, takes more lives
Speaker 2: than most. So if the answers know on that, then
Speaker 2: the answer I think needs to be no.
Speaker 3: On the other.
Speaker 2: Now, the concern is what folks will cite is because
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande is so thin that it could be normalizing
Speaker 2: that type of weight and creating eating disorder or issues
Speaker 2: for young women who are her fans, who are looking
Speaker 2: up to her as the vision.
Speaker 3: Or or pinnacle of health. And I want to look
Speaker 3: like Arianna.
Speaker 2: That is what people are saying in part why they're
Speaker 2: speaking out and speaking up not just for Ariana Grande's health,
Speaker 2: but for the millions of young women who she influences
Speaker 2: each and every day with her art.
Speaker 1: Speaking up for those young women, babe, millions, What harm
Speaker 1: are we doing to this young lady exactly who is
Speaker 1: and she is one of the most that little that
Speaker 1: I say little.
Speaker 3: Because she's because she's a tiny.
Speaker 2: Little amazing what comes out it's her crazy that her voice.
Speaker 1: Don't know how that is what.
Speaker 3: It is given the frame it's coming out of.
Speaker 1: She is wildly talented. I mean a delight everybody from
Speaker 1: my our thirteen years, so being thirteen to you, who
Speaker 1: would be a fan? To me who is? We are
Speaker 1: three different audiences and we are all fans to being
Speaker 1: used to watching when she was the show she had
Speaker 1: when on the kids show.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can't remember the name, but my kids
Speaker 3: watched it too. Yes.
Speaker 1: Right now I'm saying, she's touched so many folks and
Speaker 1: now we are without her and gonna be without her
Speaker 1: for a little stretch because it seems like robes, we
Speaker 1: the public have pushed her and forced her to say,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this with y'all. Right now.
Speaker 2: There were some big names over the weekend. I say
Speaker 2: bigger names are not huge necessarily household names, but you
Speaker 2: know of them. They're verified on their social media accounts
Speaker 2: with hundreds of thousands of followers. They have come out
Speaker 2: publicly former stars or stars who say they were also
Speaker 2: former they had former weight issues, they were anorexic, or
Speaker 2: they were had an eating disorder, and so they've decided
Speaker 2: to use their name and their past experiences to speak out,
Speaker 2: and that I think might have created part of her decision. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: it's just that when she released this new music video,
Speaker 2: things took a higher There was an uptick in the criticism.
Speaker 2: Now that she's been, as you pointed out, dealing with
Speaker 2: this criticism for years now, but over the weekend it
Speaker 2: reached a fever pitch upon the release of her new
Speaker 2: music video, Pedal that's the name of her music video,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 1: Comes with the warning at the beginning. Actually, but the
Speaker 1: warning has to do with graphic violence that could be triggering,
Speaker 1: because it does she ends up. If you haven't seen
Speaker 1: the video, she ends up very Bloody's the old chainsaw
Speaker 1: whole thing going on. So that was the warning. But
Speaker 1: that's not the part that people are picking up on roades.
Speaker 1: There's a section in there. I had only seen still
Speaker 1: frames of it, which do come off a lot differently
Speaker 1: because people are just plucking out and picking exact parts
Speaker 1: where they think she looks the thinnest.
Speaker 2: She's in a certain angle, or there are certain shadows
Speaker 2: on her chest that make it look like her bones
Speaker 2: are sticking out.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me. I don't know if you would
Speaker 1: have said I don't know if I would have fallen
Speaker 1: into the category of concern for her when I first
Speaker 1: just see it in real time. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would have. I've been around her. She's a tiny
Speaker 1: little thing she is, and I always just assume she's skinny.
Speaker 1: But other people are seeing this as something else, and
Speaker 1: they saw this as something else, And I'm paying attention
Speaker 1: and I'm listening robes, but I just it's so difficult
Speaker 1: when does concern comes off as criticism. You can't express
Speaker 1: concern for her appearance without coming off as you're in
Speaker 1: some way critiquing it. Absolutely, how do you do that?
Speaker 4: Baby?
Speaker 3: I don't know, is the answer. I don't know.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned you were even hesitant to talk about
Speaker 2: this publicly, But I would say the only reason why
Speaker 2: we are is because she has, because she took the stand,
Speaker 2: She made the announcement that she is stepping back. In fact,
Speaker 2: let's read her official statement just so we can kind
Speaker 2: of be on the record with it. This is according
Speaker 2: to her rep, Ariana Grande's rep stating she looks forward,
Speaker 2: meaning Ariana Grande, she looks forward to finish the tour
Speaker 2: and ending it on a high note, both healthily and happily,
Speaker 2: and then taking a much deserved break from public facing
Speaker 2: work and appearances, which has led to endless ongoing public scrutiny,
Speaker 2: and they're talking about her current Eternal Sunshine tour. It
Speaker 2: began in June and it ends September. First in London,
Speaker 2: she was set to then start rehearsals for a pretty big,
Speaker 2: incredible opportunity that she had to co star along with
Speaker 2: Jith Bailey, Yes, along with her Wicked co star exactly,
Speaker 2: and she was going to be performing This is just
Speaker 2: this is an incredible opportunity on the West End, a
Speaker 2: new print stage production of Sunday in the Park with
Speaker 2: Georgia Stephen Sondheim, just juggernaut of a show. It was
Speaker 2: going to take place in London. This was a big
Speaker 2: deal anytime an actor and a singer is given the
Speaker 2: opportunity to have a performance either on Broadway or at
Speaker 2: the West End. And this is it adds not that
Speaker 2: she needs any credibility or any sort of accolade. She's
Speaker 2: already a Grammy Award winner and Academy Award nominated actress.
Speaker 3: But look if that moved over to Broadway and she
Speaker 3: get out.
Speaker 2: Of Tony to all of this, Look, this is something
Speaker 2: that actors seek out. And he has an amazing opportunity,
Speaker 2: and she has announced that she is giving that up.
Speaker 3: That is huge. That says a lot and speaks volumes.
Speaker 1: You know, even without all the scrutiny we talk about,
Speaker 1: I would she says she wanted to take a break.
Speaker 1: I would understand. She has been everywhere NonStop, and we've
Speaker 1: been seeing wicked, wicked, wicked. Yes, but there's been music, music, music.
Speaker 1: She hasn't stopped being on top of both of those
Speaker 1: worlds Hollywood and music for the past several years. And Robes, yes,
Speaker 1: she could get a break, but her being so high
Speaker 1: profile and being everywhere means her pictures are taken everywhere
Speaker 1: and she gets scrutinized every single time she shows up. Robes,
Speaker 1: they decided she and her reps put that in there.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to. Now you say she just needs
Speaker 1: a rest, and maybe that would have led to speculation,
Speaker 1: but they specifically said she has to step out because
Speaker 1: of scrutiny. She one of the most famous, most talented,
Speaker 1: most successful people we have seen in entertainment the past
Speaker 1: several years. Robes said, I don't want to keep working
Speaker 1: because you all are making me feel like crap about
Speaker 1: how I look.
Speaker 2: That is true, and look to that point, you would
Speaker 2: normally think a production, a big production like what's being
Speaker 2: put together at the West End, that they would be upset,
Speaker 2: breach your contract, that the major star is pulling out.
Speaker 2: Their statement speaks volume to their level of compassion for
Speaker 2: what she's going through. They said, we know this cannot
Speaker 2: have been an easy decision, and she makes it without
Speaker 2: complete she makes it with complete understanding and support.
Speaker 3: We wish her nothing but the best.
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about who she is,
Speaker 2: how well she's respected and regarded among the people who
Speaker 2: she works around and with and for, And they offered
Speaker 2: her nothing but support in pulling out of this major opportunity.
Speaker 1: Well, do you know that's a big disappointment, is a
Speaker 1: huge and her co star about to reunite on the
Speaker 1: West End exact. Yeah, that's kind of a big deal.
Speaker 3: That's huge.
Speaker 2: And so look, we talked about this scrutiny, this growing
Speaker 2: public scrutiny that again reached a fever pitch this weekend
Speaker 2: when her latest video music was released Pedal. And look,
Speaker 2: I think this is the question that you were posing,
Speaker 2: and many people are asking this, now, where is the line,
Speaker 2: because yes, making those comments, and we'll get into some
Speaker 2: of the two big high profile comments that were made
Speaker 2: that spawned a lot more comments. Where is the balance
Speaker 2: between putting something out there that absolutely could further damage
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande's mental health and any progress she's making towards
Speaker 2: healing and feeling hale and feeling healthy, versus normalizing what
Speaker 2: some folks say is a dangerous weight to be putting
Speaker 2: out there in music videos on red carpets, that normalizes
Speaker 2: this uber thin body image for young women, Like, is
Speaker 2: it fair to even put those two things? Is it
Speaker 2: her responsibility in any way, shape or form to.
Speaker 3: Have her weight have any.
Speaker 2: Impact on anyone else? I mean, I think that's another argument. Also,
Speaker 2: I know plenty of people who are so naturally thin.
Speaker 2: It's just who they are.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on in Ariana Grande's life.
Speaker 2: People are comparing what she looked like in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one to what she looks like now in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: They have I think a one of the pictures I've seen,
Speaker 2: as the one of her on the voice versus her
Speaker 2: music video, there does seem to be some pretty significant
Speaker 2: weight us.
Speaker 1: Sure, but I don't know what's going on with this
Speaker 1: young lady. I don't know what a healthy weight is
Speaker 1: for her now people could look like TJ. You obviously
Speaker 1: like some people look at it and people who have
Speaker 1: gone through issues and with eating disorder. People look at
Speaker 1: her and say, I recognize that, and I am concerned
Speaker 1: about her now people criticizing, but concerned. That's one thing.
Speaker 1: But Robes, she talked about that twenty twenty one picture.
Speaker 1: She what year was that that? That TikTok was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three? Correct, So she said in a statement,
Speaker 1: you all are comparing how I look now to how
Speaker 1: I looked then, and what you're seeing then is as
Speaker 1: unhealthy as I have ever been in my life. She
Speaker 1: said that right there is me unhealthy. What you're seeing
Speaker 1: now healthy me. She talked about taking certain pills and drinking,
Speaker 1: and she was open about it and said, now here
Speaker 1: I am healthy, and you all damned if I do,
Speaker 1: damned if I don't. That was her statement. In time,
Speaker 1: she claims she was as healthy as she had ever been.
Speaker 1: I think that was two years ago. I mean she
Speaker 1: was about has there been a dramatic drop off?
Speaker 2: So I think the big thing was just seeing that
Speaker 2: video and look, that is what caused you mentioned Charlie Howard.
Speaker 2: She's a model, she's a writer, and she kind of
Speaker 2: started this over the weekend, posting the pictures the still
Speaker 2: images from Ariana's video, and says, I think it is
Speaker 2: vital that we discuss imagery videos content like this, pointing
Speaker 2: to Ariana's video and the damage they can and will
Speaker 2: have on women and girls. What you see here is
Speaker 2: not normal, and she put that up in all caps,
Speaker 2: and then she said, over the past few weeks, I
Speaker 2: obviously see the comments about worried fans, but I also
Speaker 2: see other people convincing others that she looks healthy or
Speaker 2: that she simply has lost puppy fat. She said, what
Speaker 2: I see is someone in desperate need of hospitalization and care.
Speaker 2: And while I know it's pop to help someone at
Speaker 2: this stage of anorexia, there has to be immediate intervention.
Speaker 2: And she goes on to say her big beef is
Speaker 2: with the people who are around Ariana Grande. She said
Speaker 2: the teams involved should be ashamed. What's disappointing is that
Speaker 2: it takes teams, often in the hundreds, to approve videos
Speaker 2: like these and.
Speaker 3: Get them over the line.
Speaker 2: Each and every one of you, including her family and
Speaker 2: her management, are enabling this person and encouraging her illness
Speaker 2: when she needs help.
Speaker 1: That's tough, baby.
Speaker 3: How does she know what's going on in Ariana's life?
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 1: She Oh, man, that's tough baby.
Speaker 3: It was tough.
Speaker 1: She's flat out saying she.
Speaker 2: Called it flat out did and said that she also
Speaker 2: suffered from it. She knows it when she sees it.
Speaker 2: And she said that's why she feels the need to
Speaker 2: speak out because she said she almost died.
Speaker 1: We're speaking out when we don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: exactly it she's making and I understand. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it is concerned. I'm concerned about her mental
Speaker 1: health at this point because of all the scrutiny and
Speaker 1: again eating disorders. I think they tell you it is
Speaker 1: mental Is it not eating disorders?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes? I know. What is she supposed to do, Robes?
Speaker 1: Is she supposed to get to a weight that everybody
Speaker 1: else thinks is okay? Is she supposed to come out
Speaker 1: and explain everything is going on and behind the scenes
Speaker 1: in her life? Is she supposed to explain her Is
Speaker 1: she put in that position to do so? I understand
Speaker 1: what folks are saying about the danger Robes. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm to kids right, as if she said danger to.
Speaker 2: Yes to other young women on you know, impressionable young women.
Speaker 1: But we're dumping on Ariana Grande. And also in that
Speaker 1: statement you read her entire family almost absolutely saying you
Speaker 1: all are harming everybody. I guess the robes. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: focus doesn't seem so much on Ariana Grande. It's what
Speaker 1: she's doing wrong, it's what people around her are doing wrong.
Speaker 1: What about ropes? Should the message say anything more than concerned,
Speaker 1: hope you're okay and move on? What else are we
Speaker 1: supposed to say to come back? We're not combating something
Speaker 1: she said. We are actually out there in public, combating
Speaker 1: what she looks like and telling another segment of the
Speaker 1: population Ariana Grande is not doing right, this is wrong.
Speaker 1: Do not follow her example. That's different from just concern
Speaker 1: and what this is such a tough I have nothing
Speaker 1: to say about her appearance, critical or otherwise. I hope
Speaker 1: she's okay. Clearly she looks thin, ropes. I've been around
Speaker 1: on a lot of actresses that were thinner than I
Speaker 1: have ever seen a healthy woman look sure, But I
Speaker 1: don't know her situation. I don't know her background, I
Speaker 1: don't know her health. I don't know what her doctor's
Speaker 1: telling I don't know. So it just seems so uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to have a meaning conversation.
Speaker 4: How can you have a meaningful one?
Speaker 2: And that is the rub, that is the question, that
Speaker 2: is what people want to know. And look, you'd think
Speaker 2: that people would and she did get this, this woman,
Speaker 2: Charlie Howard, she did get pushback. If you look at
Speaker 2: the comments, some people say, this isn't okay what you've
Speaker 2: just said, some people say thank you. Finally someone said
Speaker 2: it like everyone's got different opinions. But Jamila Jamil I
Speaker 2: wasn't familiar with her. Now she's on the good place,
Speaker 2: so if anyone watches that show, that's kind of her
Speaker 2: her big acting accolade.
Speaker 3: But she's a British actress and comedian.
Speaker 2: She too jumped on this video and said she deleted it,
Speaker 2: but then came back and reposted and doubled down. But
Speaker 2: initially she said this poor woman is possibly dying right
Speaker 2: in front of us. That was a bold state and
Speaker 2: she said, so she goes off, but then she said
Speaker 2: she was upset that then people started saying, oh, you've
Speaker 2: got woman against woman, people are fighting each other. She's like, no,
Speaker 2: she said, I feel extremely bad for Ariana having almost
Speaker 2: died of anorexia myself. Everyone is killing her by normalizing this.
Speaker 2: Silence is complicity when it gets this far. Look at
Speaker 2: Karen Carpenter. O. So, Karen Carpenter, famous singer, died of anarexia.
Speaker 2: So she starts pointing that out and look, that's where
Speaker 2: this is going. And I'm just imagining Ariana Grande is
Speaker 2: seeing this. She is where she's aware of this, and
Speaker 2: she wants nothing to do with this. And so yes,
Speaker 2: we get this announcement that she is pulling back from
Speaker 2: public life period and I feel for her.
Speaker 1: I hate that the back and forth right, who is
Speaker 1: the last one a comedian that she says she.
Speaker 2: Did built some of these women who came out and
Speaker 2: made these pretty big statements, I mean bold statements saying
Speaker 2: that Ariana Grande is dying before our eyes. Both of
Speaker 2: them said that. Both of them say that they nearly
Speaker 2: died and only recovered because people had really uncomfortable conversations
Speaker 2: with them. People had to actually sit them down there.
Speaker 2: You don't see it when you're in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: You don't realize it, and you have to have tough
Speaker 2: love and you have to have people around you who
Speaker 2: are willing to give you tough love. And so that
Speaker 2: was their point. But Jamila Jamil is her name.
Speaker 1: Do we not think that Ariana Grande has people around
Speaker 1: her that love her?
Speaker 2: So it's funny you say that because she basically, well
Speaker 2: not basically, she said that very thing. So she specifically
Speaker 2: said in her TikTok video this is in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: she said, you never know what someone is going through.
Speaker 2: Even if you were coming from a loving place and
Speaker 2: a caring place, that person is probably working on it
Speaker 2: or has a support system that they are working on
Speaker 2: it with.
Speaker 3: So be gentle with each other and with yourselves. What
Speaker 3: a kind response.
Speaker 2: But this that was three years ago, Babe, She's been
Speaker 2: dealing with this for years.
Speaker 1: That one was the one that it almost sounded to
Speaker 1: me like robes, almost an admission that something was going
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. That line jumped out at me
Speaker 1: when I Good I was listening to her. She said,
Speaker 1: you never know behind the scenes. I have some people
Speaker 1: working on it, right she I thought immediately, Okay, she
Speaker 1: is working.
Speaker 3: She's acknowledging that she's working through.
Speaker 1: Something, working through something that's enough and should be good
Speaker 1: enough robes that saying video is the one. There was
Speaker 1: a point in there where she was like switching subjects.
Speaker 1: She said on the first point to this, second point, this,
Speaker 1: and then she stopped in the middle of everything and says, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, that I'm not wearing any eyelashes. This
Speaker 1: is my real face. These are my eyes. Just don't
Speaker 1: start tripping and freak out about this too. Okay, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, like she's stuck.
Speaker 3: Here's what I look like without makeup on.
Speaker 1: She was a minute a minute a half into the
Speaker 1: video and thought, oh god, they're going to think something's
Speaker 1: rolling my eyes. I better say just to see her
Speaker 1: in real time. She reacted robes and got scared in
Speaker 1: a moment that oh god, I don't have They're going
Speaker 1: to say something else. She's been going.
Speaker 2: Through a down telling and celebrities are human beings who
Speaker 2: have feelings, and their feelings get hurt, and they worry
Speaker 2: about what people are going to think of them and
Speaker 2: say about them and what they look like.
Speaker 3: They have all the same.
Speaker 2: Worries and issues that every single one of us does
Speaker 2: when we're walking down the street, when we post a video,
Speaker 2: when we.
Speaker 3: Take a picture.
Speaker 2: They're the same as us, and you pointed out this
Speaker 2: interview she did with Cynthia Orrivo while she was doing
Speaker 2: the Wicked promotion. And again, she's always asked about this
Speaker 2: because it's been known that she has been dealing with
Speaker 2: these comments for a long time. And she said, it's
Speaker 2: hard to protect yourself from that noise. It's something that's uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: no matter what scale you experienced on even if you're
Speaker 2: a Thanksgiving dinner and someone says grant and someone's granny
Speaker 2: says you look skinny. What happened in today's society, there
Speaker 2: is a comfortability that we shouldn't have at all, commenting
Speaker 2: on others looks, appearances, what they think is going on
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, or your health, or how they present themselves,
Speaker 2: from what you're wearing to your body to your face.
Speaker 2: There's a comfortability people have commenting on that. I think
Speaker 2: it's dangerous for all parties involved. Here, she goes again,
Speaker 2: I'm really lucky to have the support system I have
Speaker 2: and to know and trust that I'm beautiful. I do
Speaker 2: know what the pressure of that noise feels like. It's
Speaker 2: been a resident in my life since I was seventeen.
Speaker 2: Think about that, and I just don't invite it anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not welcome.
Speaker 3: That was two years ago, in twenty twenty four. So
Speaker 3: she references. Look, just every.
Speaker 2: Single person who is listening, imagine or remember how it
Speaker 2: feels when someone tells you something about your appearance that
Speaker 2: isn't positive what we're regardless of their intention, You look tired.
Speaker 2: How does that feel? Is someone trying to be helpful
Speaker 2: telling you should get some more sleep? Wow, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's never received. Well, it's never like again,
Speaker 2: I pointed out my thing because it just popped in
Speaker 2: my head. I remember how offended I was, and it
Speaker 2: was coming from a good place, from a place of
Speaker 2: good intention, and maybe it was something I did need
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 3: But it still hurts.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Multiply that times a million. When you're in the public
Speaker 2: eye and you're just getting NonStop scrutiny.
Speaker 1: There are people who see her every single day. There
Speaker 1: are people who see her not wearing much. They see
Speaker 1: her right. She got hair and makeup, she's got wardrobe,
Speaker 1: she's got parents around, she's got friends, she's got people
Speaker 1: see her every day. We really do believe no one
Speaker 1: in that circle has raised a single concern. Is that possible.
Speaker 2: It. You have to trust that the people who know
Speaker 2: her and love her or best are going to be
Speaker 2: the people who guide her if she needs guidance.
Speaker 1: That is my thing? Am I not? Are we not
Speaker 1: supposed to trust her and her surroundings? I don't. It's
Speaker 1: it because there is concern, robes because there is concern.
Speaker 1: It feels a little different, But we are heaping our
Speaker 1: concern onto her, not understanding what's really going on. We're
Speaker 1: basing it on appearance. It's insulting, it is. And we
Speaker 1: talk about body positivity now, but it always goes on
Speaker 1: the other scale when someone's overweight exactly.
Speaker 3: It does not apply to people who are with him.
Speaker 1: No, we celebrate someone's overweight on the obese bm I
Speaker 1: off the charts.
Speaker 3: Talk about being medically dangerous, unhealthy.
Speaker 1: We can't say anything about that right because it would
Speaker 1: would it not here? Why? Why? Why skinny? Why is
Speaker 1: it thin? That's the thing? Baby? Wait? Wait, when's anybody
Speaker 1: yelling Hooton and Holland and Lizzo. When she first came out,
Speaker 1: she was she was naked, dance around.
Speaker 2: And that could have a lot of impact on a
Speaker 2: lot of young women.
Speaker 1: Again, not a criticism in Lizzo. No, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: the exact conversation was so different. And she is the
Speaker 1: one that's saying, what do we say all the time,
Speaker 1: robes that healthy bodies can look different. Yeah, just besades
Speaker 1: somebody I was a little wit. That's healthy for them,
Speaker 1: and this is this healthy for her. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm just so uncomfortable. Bro. If that video
Speaker 1: hadn't came out, she'd still be doing that show in
Speaker 1: the West Dandwin.
Speaker 2: I think so, I think so. And it's really really sad.
Speaker 2: Look her in her the tour. She's on Eternal Sunshine,
Speaker 2: this album that she's still promoting. In her song Yes
Speaker 2: and her lyrics are telling. There's a line that says,
Speaker 2: my face is sitting, I don't need no disguise, don't
Speaker 2: comment on my body, do not reply. Your business is
Speaker 2: yours and mine is mine. She's telling everybody right there.
Speaker 3: I don't need your comments and I don't look at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: And she said it multiple times, trying to understand and
Speaker 2: recognize that it may be coming from a place of concern,
Speaker 2: but it still isn't your concern.
Speaker 3: It's her concern.
Speaker 1: Okay, there it is, So that's key baby, all right
Speaker 1: to that point, it is not your concern, it's her concern.
Speaker 1: But the public out there seems to think or take
Speaker 1: robes the position that we're doing this because of concern
Speaker 1: of your fans.
Speaker 2: I think people need to really examine themselves and ask
Speaker 2: themselves what the motivation is and if you really do
Speaker 2: genuinely feel that concern about her health and concern about
Speaker 2: the impact she's having on young women. Just ask yourself
Speaker 2: if you'd be willing to do and say the same
Speaker 2: things and comment the same things if it was about
Speaker 2: someone being morbidly obese.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't we? Why can't we? Seriously?
Speaker 2: I just want people to examine the reason why. I
Speaker 2: don't know the answer, but for the people who have commented,
Speaker 2: I would like a genuine answer about why it's okay
Speaker 2: to comment if they're worried about someone's health because they're
Speaker 2: too thin, And it's not okay to comment about someone's
Speaker 2: health because they're too overwall.
Speaker 1: But as we sit here, we should be able to
Speaker 1: come up with that answer. Why is it? Because people
Speaker 1: overweight are usually made fun of.
Speaker 2: It's happy someone who yes is oftentimes bullied and criticized,
Speaker 2: and the thin girls might be the cheerleaders and the
Speaker 2: popular girls and the people you didn't like in high school,
Speaker 2: and so maybe it feels okay to bring them down
Speaker 2: a notch.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's part of the psychic.
Speaker 1: Does it play a role as well, because people are
Speaker 1: often saying you can't do anything about being overweight, like
Speaker 1: people struggle and you can't hold it against them. And
Speaker 1: it's not that we hear that into.
Speaker 2: It, but people also have high metabolisms, just as much
Speaker 2: as people might have slomand metabolisms. Some people might have
Speaker 2: really high metabolisms. So for the same exact reasons, it
Speaker 2: could be said that they can't control how much they
Speaker 2: weigh on either end of the scale.
Speaker 3: Literally and look, here's the deal. She's going away.
Speaker 2: But it's I feel like it's so sad at this
Speaker 2: time in her life when she should be on top
Speaker 2: of the world and celebrating with Yes more music being released,
Speaker 2: finishing up a world tour, having the two Wicked movies
Speaker 2: and getting nominated for an Academy Award, winning three Grammys,
Speaker 2: having had the opportunity to be performing on the West End,
Speaker 2: and she's got a movie coming out.
Speaker 3: We just saw the trailer for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually looks focker and law focker in law and
Speaker 2: she is like the feisty new soon to be daughter
Speaker 2: in law. It hits theaters November twenty fifth, so just
Speaker 2: in time for Thanksgiving, and yeah, this is this This
Speaker 2: should be like the pinnacle of her career where she
Speaker 2: is basking in the joy and limelight and celebrating all
Speaker 2: of her hard work that she's doing since she was
Speaker 2: a kid on Nickelodeon.
Speaker 1: And by the way, she was about to reunite with
Speaker 1: the sexiest man live on West End, a friend. Right,
Speaker 1: this was just the perfect It seemed like rope. She
Speaker 1: was just on a roll that nothing could stop. And
Speaker 1: here we are and the fokker in law. We've seen
Speaker 1: that trailer a couple of times in theaters with movies
Speaker 1: were gone. She's funny and she looked I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking now, wait a minute, what did she look like?
Speaker 1: Her appearance didn't make I didn't make note of her
Speaker 1: parents in watching the trip.
Speaker 3: She you know who?
Speaker 2: She reminds me of Ava, my daughter's want or her
Speaker 2: best friend.
Speaker 3: They have similar.
Speaker 2: Little bodies, yes, and they just the other Ava. But
Speaker 2: she like there are just people who are tiny. There
Speaker 2: just are I don't know. She may have something going on,
Speaker 2: she may not, But I really do feel like, after
Speaker 2: having had this conversation, what people are doing to her
Speaker 2: in the name of trying to help her.
Speaker 3: Is actually hurting her. And that is where I land.
Speaker 1: Okay, then where does one land one of these person
Speaker 1: out there? Maybe if a person of note, has a
Speaker 1: big following whatever, who was at one point dealt with
Speaker 1: their own issues with their weight and now da dada,
Speaker 1: what does that person does reach out to.
Speaker 2: Her personally, reach out to her management. Well, some of
Speaker 2: these folks have names big enough and know the community,
Speaker 2: the acting community, well enough that they could get a
Speaker 2: message to her if you need help, I'm here, I've
Speaker 2: been there, done that. But I do think at a
Speaker 2: certain point, yeah, you have to trust the people who
Speaker 2: know her, who love her, her family, her friends, her management.
Speaker 2: They're the ones who know more than any of us do.
Speaker 1: On the other side of that, for the person who
Speaker 1: is saying that, somebody with real concern, and their real
Speaker 1: concern is what this is doing to other the messages
Speaker 1: sending to other girls out there, how do you handle that?
Speaker 1: If you're not reaching out directly to Aurana Grande, how
Speaker 1: do you delicately, gently, genuinely.
Speaker 2: Is it tell your own story without bringing ari on
Speaker 2: it Grande into it.
Speaker 1: Damn, that's a good point. That's the way to do it. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2: Show your pictures, show you at your thinnest, talk about
Speaker 2: how you found help.
Speaker 3: But you don't need to bring Ariana Grande into it.
Speaker 1: You don't, right. You can say I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on with her, but this was the experience I had,
Speaker 1: and this is why seeing her might trigger me. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with her, but this is
Speaker 1: what was happening with me. And I also want people
Speaker 1: to be aware and to know and to get my side.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the way robes. But it just seems
Speaker 1: like a non stop onslaught of attacks. And I mean
Speaker 1: by just comments can be a tax. I mean sending
Speaker 1: a message directly to her and said, girre you too, skinny.
Speaker 1: That's that's snow, that's a problem. That's what look.
Speaker 2: Look, people say things like eat a cheeseburger, Like people
Speaker 2: just say just awful things and yeah, actually, just like
Speaker 2: I just think if we're genuinely concerned about her mental health,
Speaker 2: listen to her trust her and give her a break,
Speaker 2: and trusted people around her who love her and pray
Speaker 2: for her. Send her positivity, send her love, don't send
Speaker 2: her critique.
Speaker 1: Just kind, baby, that's kind of it. Just to be kind, Robes.
Speaker 1: I have never this makes me want to reach out
Speaker 1: to I run a grun day. I think she is wildly,
Speaker 1: wildly talented, and I just think it's a shame that
Speaker 1: we've done this, that we've run her off from what
Speaker 1: was supposed to be and about to be a wonderful show. Robes,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't even know who Jonathan Bailey was,
Speaker 1: and then he was named sexiest man alive, started doing
Speaker 1: research on him. I'm a huge fan, love this guy.
Speaker 1: I would have gone to London to see that show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have gone to London. Yeah, and we ran
Speaker 1: her off. Ah, that sucks. That just sucks.
Speaker 2: Let's hope that this is a much deserved break and
Speaker 2: she comes back stronger than ever, and maybe all of
Speaker 2: the commenters out there will take a break as well.
Speaker 1: We can only help, We can only help, but we
Speaker 1: appreciate it. As always, you'll spending a little time with
Speaker 1: us on TJ that Robes, soe, y'all, Samm