WEBVTT - Ariana Grande Taking A Step Back From Visibility After “Endless” Public Scrutiny Of Her Health 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:08.640 When is it ever okay to publicly discuss a woman's appearance. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.080 I don't know the answer to that, but here we go. Hey, 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.800 there are folks, Thank you for being here. TJ. That's robes. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:17.520 What are we robes? 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:17.800 Is it? 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.319 I thought the answer was supposed to be it's never 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:27.040 okay to discuss or certainly criticize a woman's appearance in public. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.400 Is that just a blanket rule? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.600 I think that's the standard rule. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.720 I think the exception is when you think, perhaps there 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.400 is a life at stake, if you think someone's. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:42.839 Health is at issue. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.400 Look, I can even go back to I remember being 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.479 personally offended when a makeup artist told me that I 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:54.080 looked pale and sickly, and I remember being immediately upset 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.440 about it. Okay, come to find out that I was anemic, 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.880 and I went back to that makeup artist because it 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.520 got me thinking. I went to my doctor and I said, 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.959 you know what, thank you for saying something. Now, she 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.720 didn't put it online, and she didn't tweet about it 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.800 and make a public comment about it. But even someone 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.480 who I had a relationship with who said something to me, 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.120 my initial response was offense. But it turns out she 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.280 actually was worried about me. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.720 Okay, she was worried about She had a concern there. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.280 That's one thing that's understandable, and that's personal. We talk 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.080 about Ariana Grande, now, who I am getting caught up 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.200 on just how much she has been enduring for the 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:34.360 past several years. She's just thirty three. She's been half 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.800 of her life in the public. At this point, it 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.160 not just public, she's been famous for half of her life. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.399 She has now come out Robes and says she's gonna 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.880 take a step back from the public life. She has 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.760 and she specifically Robes said it was because of public scrutiny. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.160 We all have to know what she's talking about, even 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.680 though she didn't say it was related to her appearance. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:04.160 Correct. I feel for this girl. Man, we know her brother. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.280 I've had the pleasure of actually interviewing her at a 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.639 very difficult time. She had some controversies a few years back, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.680 and she sat down, she publicly addressed them, and I 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:19.600 found her to be a kind, sweet, wildly talented young woman. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.720 Oh and we love her brother, Frankie Grande. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.200 And look, I think this is somebody who is beloved, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.919 and I think that might be the distinction Now people 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.520 might think they're helping, but they could be piling on 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.760 and hurting. And I think there is a fine line. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.440 And I do think that when you are wondering whether 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.120 or not you should say something, whether or not you 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.520 should bring something up, you should always air on. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.400 The side of not bringing it all okay, But then 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.600 we talk about someone in public that robes. This is 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.880 so difficult and delicate to do because to a certain degree, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.960 I didn't even want to hop on and talk about this, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.320 because certainly ain't if anybody should be saying anything. You 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.760 would argue a man, which should be the last one 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.080 conversing on a famous one's appearance. But robe she's been 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.280 dogged by this for years and you can just put 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.560 it out. It's so difficult to talk about this. But 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.960 folks are coming out in half or years, some with concern, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.959 some with criticisms, some with harsh critique. That she looks thin, 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.680 too thin, too thin, and dangerously thin. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.560 Dangerously thin, I think would be what some people would say. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.000 But I would also like, let's take the flip side 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.200 and say someone is morbidly obese, that is a medical term. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.519 Is it okay to call that person out because you're 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.280 worried about their health because you're worried that they may 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.040 have a heart attack or die from diabetes or some 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.840 weight related illness that, by the way, takes more lives 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.880 than most. So if the answers know on that, then 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.360 the answer I think needs to be no. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:49.640 On the other. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.840 Now, the concern is what folks will cite is because 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.680 Ariana Grande is so thin that it could be normalizing 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.120 that type of weight and creating eating disorder or issues 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.880 for young women who are her fans, who are looking 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.720 up to her as the vision. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.880 Or or pinnacle of health. And I want to look 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:08.520 like Arianna. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:13.839 That is what people are saying in part why they're 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.799 speaking out and speaking up not just for Ariana Grande's health, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.720 but for the millions of young women who she influences 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:23.480 each and every day with her art. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.919 Speaking up for those young women, babe, millions, What harm 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.520 are we doing to this young lady exactly who is 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.160 and she is one of the most that little that 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.240 I say little. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.640 Because she's because she's a tiny. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.240 Little amazing what comes out it's her crazy that her voice. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.320 Don't know how that is what. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.279 It is given the frame it's coming out of. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:47.360 She is wildly talented. I mean a delight everybody from 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:52.200 my our thirteen years, so being thirteen to you, who 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.680 would be a fan? To me who is? We are 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.840 three different audiences and we are all fans to being 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.200 used to watching when she was the show she had 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.239 when on the kids show. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.800 Oh yeah, I can't remember the name, but my kids 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:05.840 watched it too. Yes. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.560 Right now I'm saying, she's touched so many folks and 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.800 now we are without her and gonna be without her 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:16.360 for a little stretch because it seems like robes, we 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.960 the public have pushed her and forced her to say, 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.880 I don't want to do this with y'all. Right now. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.800 There were some big names over the weekend. I say 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.039 bigger names are not huge necessarily household names, but you 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.839 know of them. They're verified on their social media accounts 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.480 with hundreds of thousands of followers. They have come out 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.000 publicly former stars or stars who say they were also 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.280 former they had former weight issues, they were anorexic, or 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.200 they were had an eating disorder, and so they've decided 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.440 to use their name and their past experiences to speak out, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.760 and that I think might have created part of her decision. Ultimately, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.320 it's just that when she released this new music video, 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:05.640 things took a higher There was an uptick in the criticism. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.960 Now that she's been, as you pointed out, dealing with 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.359 this criticism for years now, but over the weekend it 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.320 reached a fever pitch upon the release of her new 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.440 music video, Pedal that's the name of her music video, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:18.840 and it. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.640 Comes with the warning at the beginning. Actually, but the 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.760 warning has to do with graphic violence that could be triggering, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.960 because it does she ends up. If you haven't seen 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.839 the video, she ends up very Bloody's the old chainsaw 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.279 whole thing going on. So that was the warning. But 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.799 that's not the part that people are picking up on roades. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.240 There's a section in there. I had only seen still 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.440 frames of it, which do come off a lot differently 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.000 because people are just plucking out and picking exact parts 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.720 where they think she looks the thinnest. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.080 She's in a certain angle, or there are certain shadows 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.400 on her chest that make it look like her bones 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:51.159 are sticking out. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.440 Maybe it's just me. I don't know if you would 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.880 have said I don't know if I would have fallen 0:06:55.880 --> 0:07:00.000 into the category of concern for her when I first 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.720 just see it in real time. I don't know if 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.200 I would have. I've been around her. She's a tiny 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.360 little thing she is, and I always just assume she's skinny. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.560 But other people are seeing this as something else, and 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.400 they saw this as something else, And I'm paying attention 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.680 and I'm listening robes, but I just it's so difficult 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:26.360 when does concern comes off as criticism. You can't express 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.320 concern for her appearance without coming off as you're in 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.120 some way critiquing it. Absolutely, how do you do that? 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:33.800 Baby? 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.080 I don't know, is the answer. I don't know. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.240 And you mentioned you were even hesitant to talk about 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.320 this publicly, But I would say the only reason why 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.680 we are is because she has, because she took the stand, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.640 She made the announcement that she is stepping back. In fact, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.960 let's read her official statement just so we can kind 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.280 of be on the record with it. This is according 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.760 to her rep, Ariana Grande's rep stating she looks forward, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.600 meaning Ariana Grande, she looks forward to finish the tour 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.520 and ending it on a high note, both healthily and happily, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.000 and then taking a much deserved break from public facing 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:14.120 work and appearances, which has led to endless ongoing public scrutiny, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.040 and they're talking about her current Eternal Sunshine tour. It 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.440 began in June and it ends September. First in London, 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.679 she was set to then start rehearsals for a pretty big, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.280 incredible opportunity that she had to co star along with 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:35.400 Jith Bailey, Yes, along with her Wicked co star exactly, 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.800 and she was going to be performing This is just 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.959 this is an incredible opportunity on the West End, a 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.800 new print stage production of Sunday in the Park with 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.720 Georgia Stephen Sondheim, just juggernaut of a show. It was 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.440 going to take place in London. This was a big 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.600 deal anytime an actor and a singer is given the 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:59.520 opportunity to have a performance either on Broadway or at 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.440 the West End. And this is it adds not that 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.280 she needs any credibility or any sort of accolade. She's 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.920 already a Grammy Award winner and Academy Award nominated actress. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.679 But look if that moved over to Broadway and she 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:12.280 get out. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.480 Of Tony to all of this, Look, this is something 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:19.720 that actors seek out. And he has an amazing opportunity, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.800 and she has announced that she is giving that up. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.960 That is huge. That says a lot and speaks volumes. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.280 You know, even without all the scrutiny we talk about, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.000 I would she says she wanted to take a break. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.920 I would understand. She has been everywhere NonStop, and we've 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.720 been seeing wicked, wicked, wicked. Yes, but there's been music, music, music. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.400 She hasn't stopped being on top of both of those 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:46.680 worlds Hollywood and music for the past several years. And Robes, yes, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.200 she could get a break, but her being so high 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.880 profile and being everywhere means her pictures are taken everywhere 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.400 and she gets scrutinized every single time she shows up. Robes, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.040 they decided she and her reps put that in there. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.120 They didn't have to. Now you say she just needs 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.480 a rest, and maybe that would have led to speculation, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.480 but they specifically said she has to step out because 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.199 of scrutiny. She one of the most famous, most talented, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.880 most successful people we have seen in entertainment the past 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.200 several years. Robes said, I don't want to keep working 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.240 because you all are making me feel like crap about 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:26.760 how I look. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.959 That is true, and look to that point, you would 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:34.400 normally think a production, a big production like what's being 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.880 put together at the West End, that they would be upset, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.160 breach your contract, that the major star is pulling out. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.280 Their statement speaks volume to their level of compassion for 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.760 what she's going through. They said, we know this cannot 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.480 have been an easy decision, and she makes it without 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.520 complete she makes it with complete understanding and support. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.600 We wish her nothing but the best. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.440 I think that says a lot about who she is, 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.800 how well she's respected and regarded among the people who 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.400 she works around and with and for, And they offered 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.960 her nothing but support in pulling out of this major opportunity. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.280 Well, do you know that's a big disappointment, is a 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.120 huge and her co star about to reunite on the 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.720 West End exact. Yeah, that's kind of a big deal. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:18.440 That's huge. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.880 And so look, we talked about this scrutiny, this growing 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.559 public scrutiny that again reached a fever pitch this weekend 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:33.160 when her latest video music was released Pedal. And look, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.800 I think this is the question that you were posing, 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.520 and many people are asking this, now, where is the line, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.720 because yes, making those comments, and we'll get into some 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.400 of the two big high profile comments that were made 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.360 that spawned a lot more comments. Where is the balance 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:55.040 between putting something out there that absolutely could further damage 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.000 Ariana Grande's mental health and any progress she's making towards 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:04.679 healing and feeling hale and feeling healthy, versus normalizing what 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:11.360 some folks say is a dangerous weight to be putting 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.319 out there in music videos on red carpets, that normalizes 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:21.000 this uber thin body image for young women, Like, is 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.000 it fair to even put those two things? Is it 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.560 her responsibility in any way, shape or form to. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.800 Have her weight have any. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.280 Impact on anyone else? I mean, I think that's another argument. Also, 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.760 I know plenty of people who are so naturally thin. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:37.600 It's just who they are. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.480 I don't know what's going on in Ariana Grande's life. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.080 People are comparing what she looked like in twenty twenty 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.960 one to what she looks like now in twenty twenty six. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.880 They have I think a one of the pictures I've seen, 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.600 as the one of her on the voice versus her 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.840 music video, there does seem to be some pretty significant 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:57.640 weight us. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.800 Sure, but I don't know what's going on with this 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.560 young lady. I don't know what a healthy weight is 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.760 for her now people could look like TJ. You obviously 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.360 like some people look at it and people who have 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:14.240 gone through issues and with eating disorder. People look at 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.400 her and say, I recognize that, and I am concerned 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.400 about her now people criticizing, but concerned. That's one thing. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.880 But Robes, she talked about that twenty twenty one picture. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.040 She what year was that that? That TikTok was in 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.880 twenty twenty three? Correct, So she said in a statement, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.400 you all are comparing how I look now to how 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.760 I looked then, and what you're seeing then is as 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.360 unhealthy as I have ever been in my life. She 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.000 said that right there is me unhealthy. What you're seeing 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:49.640 now healthy me. She talked about taking certain pills and drinking, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.040 and she was open about it and said, now here 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.840 I am healthy, and you all damned if I do, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.600 damned if I don't. That was her statement. In time, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.600 she claims she was as healthy as she had ever been. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:03.680 I think that was two years ago. I mean she 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.079 was about has there been a dramatic drop off? 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.880 So I think the big thing was just seeing that 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.280 video and look, that is what caused you mentioned Charlie Howard. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.480 She's a model, she's a writer, and she kind of 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:22.160 started this over the weekend, posting the pictures the still 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.000 images from Ariana's video, and says, I think it is 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:31.240 vital that we discuss imagery videos content like this, pointing 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.480 to Ariana's video and the damage they can and will 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.320 have on women and girls. What you see here is 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.600 not normal, and she put that up in all caps, 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.800 and then she said, over the past few weeks, I 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.920 obviously see the comments about worried fans, but I also 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.640 see other people convincing others that she looks healthy or 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.840 that she simply has lost puppy fat. She said, what 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.600 I see is someone in desperate need of hospitalization and care. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.920 And while I know it's pop to help someone at 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.320 this stage of anorexia, there has to be immediate intervention. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.000 And she goes on to say her big beef is 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.960 with the people who are around Ariana Grande. She said 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.280 the teams involved should be ashamed. What's disappointing is that 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.400 it takes teams, often in the hundreds, to approve videos 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:18.680 like these and. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:19.640 Get them over the line. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.800 Each and every one of you, including her family and 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.800 her management, are enabling this person and encouraging her illness 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:27.160 when she needs help. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.160 That's tough, baby. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.280 How does she know what's going on in Ariana's life? 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:31.120 That's the problem. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.320 She Oh, man, that's tough baby. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:34.360 It was tough. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:36.880 She's flat out saying she. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.280 Called it flat out did and said that she also 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.880 suffered from it. She knows it when she sees it. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:44.880 And she said that's why she feels the need to 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.680 speak out because she said she almost died. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.000 We're speaking out when we don't know what's going on 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:55.120 exactly it she's making and I understand. I think a 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.760 lot of it is concerned. I'm concerned about her mental 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.920 health at this point because of all the scrutiny and 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.040 again eating disorders. I think they tell you it is 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.760 mental Is it not eating disorders? 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:06.920 Right? 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:12.240 Yes? I know. What is she supposed to do, Robes? 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.320 Is she supposed to get to a weight that everybody 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.640 else thinks is okay? Is she supposed to come out 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.880 and explain everything is going on and behind the scenes 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.080 in her life? Is she supposed to explain her Is 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.920 she put in that position to do so? I understand 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.000 what folks are saying about the danger Robes. I guess 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.200 I'm to kids right, as if she said danger to. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.920 Yes to other young women on you know, impressionable young women. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.520 But we're dumping on Ariana Grande. And also in that 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.520 statement you read her entire family almost absolutely saying you 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:52.120 all are harming everybody. I guess the robes. Sometimes the 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.320 focus doesn't seem so much on Ariana Grande. It's what 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.720 she's doing wrong, it's what people around her are doing wrong. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:07.040 What about ropes? Should the message say anything more than concerned, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.240 hope you're okay and move on? What else are we 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.000 supposed to say to come back? We're not combating something 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.960 she said. We are actually out there in public, combating 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.399 what she looks like and telling another segment of the 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.560 population Ariana Grande is not doing right, this is wrong. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.760 Do not follow her example. That's different from just concern 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:31.639 and what this is such a tough I have nothing 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.280 to say about her appearance, critical or otherwise. I hope 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.240 she's okay. Clearly she looks thin, ropes. I've been around 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.639 on a lot of actresses that were thinner than I 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.639 have ever seen a healthy woman look sure, But I 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.879 don't know her situation. I don't know her background, I 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.560 don't know her health. I don't know what her doctor's 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:57.480 telling I don't know. So it just seems so uncomfortable 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:00.879 to have a meaning conversation. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:11.000 How can you have a meaningful one? 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:15.080 And that is the rub, that is the question, that 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.960 is what people want to know. And look, you'd think 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:23.399 that people would and she did get this, this woman, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.840 Charlie Howard, she did get pushback. If you look at 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.600 the comments, some people say, this isn't okay what you've 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.359 just said, some people say thank you. Finally someone said 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.359 it like everyone's got different opinions. But Jamila Jamil I 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.320 wasn't familiar with her. Now she's on the good place, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.400 so if anyone watches that show, that's kind of her 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.560 her big acting accolade. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.200 But she's a British actress and comedian. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.359 She too jumped on this video and said she deleted it, 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.359 but then came back and reposted and doubled down. But 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:57.160 initially she said this poor woman is possibly dying right 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.159 in front of us. That was a bold state and 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.960 she said, so she goes off, but then she said 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.120 she was upset that then people started saying, oh, you've 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.360 got woman against woman, people are fighting each other. She's like, no, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.679 she said, I feel extremely bad for Ariana having almost 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:18.160 died of anorexia myself. Everyone is killing her by normalizing this. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.919 Silence is complicity when it gets this far. Look at 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:27.720 Karen Carpenter. O. So, Karen Carpenter, famous singer, died of anarexia. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.920 So she starts pointing that out and look, that's where 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.439 this is going. And I'm just imagining Ariana Grande is 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.680 seeing this. She is where she's aware of this, and 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.320 she wants nothing to do with this. And so yes, 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.120 we get this announcement that she is pulling back from 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.640 public life period and I feel for her. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:57.040 I hate that the back and forth right, who is 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:58.560 the last one a comedian that she says she. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.720 Did built some of these women who came out and 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.960 made these pretty big statements, I mean bold statements saying 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.760 that Ariana Grande is dying before our eyes. Both of 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.000 them said that. Both of them say that they nearly 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.280 died and only recovered because people had really uncomfortable conversations 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.720 with them. People had to actually sit them down there. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.640 You don't see it when you're in the middle of it. 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.720 You don't realize it, and you have to have tough 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.800 love and you have to have people around you who 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.679 are willing to give you tough love. And so that 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.840 was their point. But Jamila Jamil is her name. 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.440 Do we not think that Ariana Grande has people around 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:32.120 her that love her? 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.680 So it's funny you say that because she basically, well 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.480 not basically, she said that very thing. So she specifically 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:44.320 said in her TikTok video this is in twenty twenty three, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.280 she said, you never know what someone is going through. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.800 Even if you were coming from a loving place and 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.359 a caring place, that person is probably working on it 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.240 or has a support system that they are working on 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:56.760 it with. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.159 So be gentle with each other and with yourselves. What 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:01.400 a kind response. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.920 But this that was three years ago, Babe, She's been 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.400 dealing with this for years. 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.560 That one was the one that it almost sounded to 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:15.560 me like robes, almost an admission that something was going 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.399 on behind the scenes. That line jumped out at me 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.440 when I Good I was listening to her. She said, 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.840 you never know behind the scenes. I have some people 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.280 working on it, right she I thought immediately, Okay, she 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:28.840 is working. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.320 She's acknowledging that she's working through. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.800 Something, working through something that's enough and should be good 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.040 enough robes that saying video is the one. There was 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.600 a point in there where she was like switching subjects. 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.240