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Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Okay, that wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: the wildest thing to ever happen in the history of

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Speaker 1: the sport. If that happened, And let's just for the

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Speaker 1: sake of argument, say Matt Campbell came in there from

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Speaker 1: Iowa State. Here's the bigger question to me, how would

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Speaker 1: a coach go about changing that? How would a head

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Speaker 1: coach the right one? Maybe it's Matt Campbell, maybe at

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Speaker 1: someone else. But even if you've got the right one,

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Speaker 1: even if you nailed the higher and you got the

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Speaker 1: best candidate possible, is it within the power of the

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Speaker 1: right coach to change that culture. I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: because at that point, it would mean the coach is

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Speaker 1: bigger than what Michigan currently is. I mean that by

438
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Speaker 1: default is what it takes. Like when I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: Saban a little while ago, when Saban walked into Alabama,

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Speaker 1: he was larger than life, and it took that because

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Speaker 1: Alabama had some internal rot that they had to get

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Speaker 1: out of there. They had to flush the pipes completely.

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Speaker 1: Now there there was a little bit different problem, but

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Speaker 1: there was still a problem that was standing between them

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Speaker 1: and big success on the national stage. Well, there's a

446
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Speaker 1: problem at Michigan, and it's just complacency, and it's the

447
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Speaker 1: good enough is enough mentality that also stands between Michigan

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Speaker 1: and competing on the national stage. My question is is

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Speaker 1: that something any head coach is capable of going in

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Speaker 1: there and changing. Forget willing, everyone's willing, Well, the coaches

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Speaker 1: would be willing. Would they be capable of it? Would

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Speaker 1: they be allowed to do that? Jim Harbaugh hasn't been

453
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Speaker 1: you know, for all we know, Jim Harbaugh's been the

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Speaker 1: right candidate for Michigan, and for all we know, behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, he's been hamstrung to the point where, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was impossible all along for him to ever

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Speaker 1: succeed in competing with Ohio State. I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, for all we know, that could be

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Speaker 1: a case, because who in the world thought Jim Harball

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Speaker 1: was going to fail this spectacularly a few years ago

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Speaker 1: when he was hired. I can assure you it had

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Speaker 1: me fooled. It absolutely had me fooled. I mean I remember,

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Speaker 1: and I'll listen, I'm brave enough to tell you this.

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Speaker 1: There was no evidence of it out there, So I

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Speaker 1: don't have to do this. But I remember I was

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Speaker 1: down in Columbus, Georgia doing TV at the time when

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Speaker 1: Harball got hired. I may have been doing radio, but

468
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Speaker 1: I remember when Harball got hired, I was so defiant.

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Speaker 1: I was ready to hit record on this hot take

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Speaker 1: I had, and I'm gonna seal this thing in ice,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna display it until the end of time.

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, you know what's about to happen in

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Speaker 1: the Big ten. Jim Harbaugh is going to do to

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer in the Big Ten exactly what Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: did to him in the SEC. Saban came in and

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Speaker 1: a few years later Urban Meyer was gone. Well, Jim

477
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh is going to come in and a few years

478
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Speaker 1: later Urban Meyer is going to be gone. Now you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about freezing cold takes, that's one for

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Speaker 1: the ages right there. And as it turns out, Urban's

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Speaker 1: still gone. But it wasn't Jim Harbad that chased him away. Friends,

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Speaker 1: that much is for sure. So I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: really The state of the Michigan program is a lot

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Speaker 1: like the state of other programs that don't succeed in football.

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Speaker 1: The difference is the reputation of Michigan is a giant,

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Speaker 1: is a blue blood in the sport, and yet the

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Speaker 1: DNA of that program does not scream that at all.

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Speaker 1: Right now, all right, next up, this is a really

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Speaker 1: good one. Russell's got one, and I want you to

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Speaker 1: think right along with me. That's the best kind of

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Speaker 1: podcast we do. Anyway. Listen, if it's up to me

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Speaker 1: to do all the thinking on this thing, we're going

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Speaker 1: to sink pretty quick. So I want you to think

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Speaker 1: along with me. I'm going to do that aggravating thing

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Speaker 1: that I told you I do last week, and here's

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Speaker 1: how it sounds. I'm going to tell you exactly what

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Speaker 1: Russell said here, and you're going to think along with

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Speaker 1: me right after this. Yeah, I hate when I do

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Speaker 1: that every bit as much as you do. But at

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Speaker 1: least you heard some of that ad read at the

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Speaker 1: very least. All right, let's get into Russell's question here.

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Speaker 1: He said, need you to settle an argument for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Georgia Southern alumni, but as a side note,

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Speaker 1: a lifelong Florida football fan. My friends from college and

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Speaker 1: I have a constant argument about the decision of Georgia

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Speaker 1: Southern to move to the FBS level. Now, my argument

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Speaker 1: is the Idaho famous Potato Bowl means less than a

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Speaker 1: potential FCS National championship. I've often tried to explain that

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Speaker 1: home playoff games over the semester break trump regular season

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Speaker 1: Sun Belt home games versus ULM in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the semester, and the playoff is more fun and it

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Speaker 1: has a better atmosphere. Their counter argument is that the

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Speaker 1: money and the exposure in having an FBS tag alone

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Speaker 1: makes it more meaningful, and they believe Georgia Southern moving

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Speaker 1: to the G five is the first step in becoming

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Speaker 1: the next Boise, t UCF, Cincinnati, et cetera. I disagree.

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Speaker 1: I just like to get your take on this argument.

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Speaker 1: Does a lower end bowl game like the Potato Bowl

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Speaker 1: or the Camellia Bowl of the Bahama Bowl, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: have more meaning and significance than that of an FCS

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Speaker 1: national championship? Signed Russell Russell. This all comes down to

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Speaker 1: understanding who you are, defining who you are. Okay, there's

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Speaker 1: a big difference respectfully between Georgia and Georgia Southern. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: if you have the resources of a University of Georgia,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to compete at the highest levels

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Speaker 1: the sport has to offer. But you know what, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with being completely in

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Speaker 1: touch with who you are. Like, if you're five foot eight, well,

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Speaker 1: you're probably not winning a slam dunk contest. There's no

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Speaker 1: reason to strive for it. But you know what you

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Speaker 1: could do. You could end up being you know, Muggsy

532
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Speaker 1: Bogues for example, and be one of the best ball

533
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Speaker 1: handlers in the history of the NBA. Know who you are,

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Speaker 1: Georgia Southern. I was kind of surprised, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I'm on your side of this argument, So

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Speaker 1: I was surprised when they made the move to FBS.

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Speaker 1: I understand the reasoning, don't get me wrong, but your friends,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, ask them, when is the last time

539
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: the revenue streams an amount of overall gross revenue for

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Speaker 1: Georgia Southern Athletics impacted their life Like this is like

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Speaker 1: caring about TV ratings, Like a lot of fans end

542
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Speaker 1: up getting sucked into this because the business end of

543
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: college football is covered now there are people paid to

544
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Speaker 1: just cover the business of college sports, so you read

545
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Speaker 1: a lot more about it. This never used to matter

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Speaker 1: to the casual fan or the diehard fan. It never

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Speaker 1: used to matter what kind of Bowl payoff you got.

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Speaker 1: It never used to matter how your attendance figures measured

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Speaker 1: against the other teams in your division, how many people

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Speaker 1: watched your game coast to coast. That never really used

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Speaker 1: to matter. What mattered is your connection with your team.

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Speaker 1: And if it's the school you went to, there's an

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Speaker 1: added connection. But that's really all that mattered. So if

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Speaker 1: you boil it down to that, then dude, there's no

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Speaker 1: comparison here. Those FCS playoff games are awesome. I love

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Speaker 1: watching them. First off, I greatly enjoy watching those more

557
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Speaker 1: than taking a couple of teams one thousand miles away

558
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Speaker 1: from home to play in a stadium ninety percent empty.

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Speaker 1: That's basically just a product of inventory on the shelf

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Speaker 1: and bowl season for a major network. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: what that is. They might as well play the games

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Speaker 1: in a TV studio. The fans are irrelevant at that point.

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you. Now, Listen, there is the lottery

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Speaker 1: aspect of what you said. Okay, yes, you could become

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Speaker 1: the next Boise or UCA for Cincinnati. Yeah you could

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Speaker 1: do that. But you know what, there's a much greater

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Speaker 1: chance of you being there's a much greater chance of

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Speaker 1: you being exactly what you are right now, and that

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Speaker 1: is an afterthought in the G five landscape of FBS

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Speaker 1: in college football. Now, maybe that changes one day for

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Speaker 1: Georgia Southern obviously. I mean, you know, those programs weren't

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Speaker 1: always what they are now. But that's a long, long,

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Speaker 1: arduous uphill battle. If I were in your shoes, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather be where you were, because Georgia Southern, man, they

575
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Speaker 1: were no joke when they were at the FCS level.

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Speaker 1: No one wanted to play them. I mean, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: they went into tuscal Looosa one time as an FCS

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Speaker 1: team and probably provided one of the most famous Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban postgame press conference moments of all time. So listen

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Speaker 1: to if Georgia Southern's my team, I want to be

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Speaker 1: fun and I want to be competitive, and I want

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Speaker 1: to have a realistic shot to win a championship. They

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Speaker 1: don't have a realistic shot to win the College Football

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Speaker 1: Playoff National Championship. They just don't. That's a one in

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Speaker 1: a ten trillion type scenario. But in the FCS, well

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Speaker 1: that's a whole different story. And you're absolutely right about

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Speaker 1: those home playoff games versus going to Idaho. There are

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Speaker 1: no direct flights from Statesboro to Boise. I don't have

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Speaker 1: to check. Even Southwest doesn't service that connection. All right.

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Speaker 1: Next up here, moving right along, David says, if you

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Speaker 1: had the ability to choose any program you wanted to

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Speaker 1: be the next Clemson, who would you choose? And why? David,

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Speaker 1: I think the answer to this is Texas A and M.

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M's been a sleeping giant in college

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Speaker 1: football for a long long time. And I think according

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Speaker 1: to the criteria here, the next Clemson, well, this needs

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00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: to be a team that hasn't won a national championship

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Speaker 1: either period or in a couple of generations. And so

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Speaker 1: that is Texas A and M. Obviously that's why I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't pick, you know, Florida State, Like Florida State obviously

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00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: could do that. Miami could do that, but they already

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Speaker 1: have a history of sustained runs of excellence. Texas A

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Speaker 1: and M at the national level, well, that trophy case

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like it does at Florida State or at

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00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Miami or at Clemson right now, but it could. There

606
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: is nothing, and I mean nothing except space standing between

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M's potential and being one of the

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Speaker 1: best programs in America, being one of the highest achieving

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Speaker 1: programs in America. They haven't done it, but there's never

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Speaker 1: been a bigger discrepancy between what history shows you are

611
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Speaker 1: and what the present and the future shows you can be.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing limiting them. I always ask folks who laugh

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Speaker 1: at this notion because I think A and M could

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Speaker 1: be a perennial powerhouse. Like I think that, and some

615
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: people will scoff at it, and I'll say, what are

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Speaker 1: you laughing at? And They'll say, A and M. They're

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Speaker 1: not a traditional power program. Who in the world cares

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Speaker 1: what traditionally they've been. Here's what matters, especially if I'm

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Speaker 1: the right coach. If I'm Jimbo Fisher and I think

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00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm the right guy, I don't care what you did

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven. I care about having everything I

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Speaker 1: need to win. So I look at Alabama, I look

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Speaker 1: at Georgia, I look at LSU last year, like I

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Speaker 1: look at what those programs, the ones who win consistently Florida.

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Speaker 1: What do they have down here in my conference in

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Speaker 1: the SEC? What does Clemson have that I don't have.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait, Remember we're talking about pin point right now,

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Speaker 1: this point in time, moving forward, what are those programs

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Speaker 1: gonna have that I don't have. They're gonna have better facilities. No,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have more money, absolutely not. Or are they

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Speaker 1: gonna have a bigger stadium, better game day experience? Have

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Speaker 1: you guys been to a game at A and M.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I went for the first time last year.

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00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: That's like football being played on a different planet. It

635
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: is a culture, it is an environment unique to anything

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Speaker 1: in America. It was awesome. Like I always had people

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Speaker 1: say you need to go to A and M, you know,

638
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: because they're still relatively new in the Southeastern Conference, so

639
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: folks like me, you know, I'd been to Gainesville and

640
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: Athens and Tuscaloos and Knoxville, Baton Rouge Auburn a million times.

641
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I'd never been to College Station. I went for the

642
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Speaker 1: Alabama game last year. Man, that's awesome. I was on

643
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: the field for that game, and it was a blowout

644
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Speaker 1: as it turns out. But I kept thinking as I

645
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: was standing there and listening to how it sounded like

646
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: a jet engine in your ears, and listening to that

647
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: place and wondering, Wow, like, what what would this place

648
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: be like if A and M was toting a number

649
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: one next to their name or number two or number

650
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: three and they had a sustained run where like that

651
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: was the norm, and you had to go into that

652
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Speaker 1: place and play, and you had to play A and

653
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: M as one of the best teams in the country. Listen,

654
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: they're building a better roster. I mean, their product this

655
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: year is the best it's been so far under Jimbo Fisher.

656
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: Here's what really stands in the way, and here's what

657
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: people really scoff at. If you're going to do that

658
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Speaker 1: at A and M. We all understand you got to

659
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Speaker 1: go through Nick Saban and Alabama to do it. And

660
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: that's really all that stands in the way. And yes,

661
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: that is a massive hurdle. I understand that, but you

662
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: know what else has to happen. You know what had

663
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: to happen for Clemson. They had to go through Alabama too.

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Speaker 1: The only difference is they got to wait until the

665
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Speaker 1: National Championship to do it. But they've done it a

666
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: couple times now. They've done it, so don't think for

667
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: a second it can't be done. It can be done.

668
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: You just got to be fully invested, which they are

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Speaker 1: at A and M. You got to have the right quarterback,

670
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: which they don't have yet. And that's the other biggest hurdle.

671
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Speaker 1: And that's what A M's waiting for. To me, that's

672
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: when they explode. When they get a superstar quarterback in there,

673
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: that's when they'll explode. In fact, they fit that description

674
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Speaker 1: even more than a Notre Dame or a Penn State,

675
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: not that those programs don't, but dude, if you look

676
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: at what else they have there in a given year,

677
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: like what their roster typically has been, if you had

678
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Speaker 1: a to Sean Watson onto their team, if you added

679
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: a Trevor Lawrence or to a tongue of Iloa onto

680
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Texas and M's team, they're an instant national championship contender.

681
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Speaker 1: All right, you got time for a couple more here.

682
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: Let's go to Buckeye Nerd and Buckeye Nerd or Ben

683
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: as I'm gonna call him from here on out. Could

684
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: this be the year to expand to an eight team

685
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: playoff just as a one off ie not crossing the

686
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Speaker 1: rubicon to anything permanent. There are people even under the

687
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: umbrella of twenty four seven Sports who have been adamant

688
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: and adamant in their support of this idea. I'm not

689
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: sold on it. I'm not sold for two reasons. Number One,

690
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't think in all honesty, if we expand this thing,

691
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: it's contracting right back to four and it's going to

692
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Speaker 1: be treated as a one off, even if those are

693
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Speaker 1: the auspices under which it's presented to me. That's firstly,

694
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Speaker 1: and you know I don't support college football plaoff expansion

695
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: in and of itself is yet again another podcast. Secondly,

696
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: what is it solving really? And this goes to a

697
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Speaker 1: bigger issue that I have sometimes, in fact a lot

698
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: of times in the whole college football playoff thing, this

699
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: debate that we have at the end of every year,

700
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: which in and of itself is not a bad thing,

701
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: but within the debate, I don't know what's happened lately,

702
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: but there's this assumption that if someone's upset, that means

703
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: there's something wrong. Well, that's not always the case. Okay,

704
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: They're always going to be folks upset. Just because someone's

705
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: upset they finished number five or six doesn't automatically mean

706
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: the systems messed up. It just means that they didn't

707
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Speaker 1: do enough to get one of those top four spots.

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Speaker 1: And here is the third part. I know I said

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Speaker 1: there was only two. Here's the third part. I'm looking

710
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: around this year. Who do I see that potentially could

711
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: get screwed out of this four team field that I

712
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: think could be good enough to win a title. Have

713
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: you watched Alabama play? Have you seen them lately? Do

714
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: you understand what it's going to take to beat them? Like,

715
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things I'd love to see

716
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: in life. I'd like to see a worldwide vaccine for

717
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: COVID issued in everyone's mailbox tomorrow. Okay, I'd love to

718
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: see everyone's bank account just show up with a million

719
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: dollars tomorrow morning that came from nowhere. What I don't

720
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: need to see is Alabama hanging thirty five in the

721
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: first half on some haphazardly placed G five team in

722
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: the playoff just to appease everyone and include everyone. That's

723
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: not what the playoffs should be. It's not what I

724
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: think it needs to be this year. Like, I know

725
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: what the arguments for this are, but in reality, I

726
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: don't think you're accomplishing anymore by doing it this year

727
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: than you would be in any other year, and I

728
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: don't think you're accomplishing anything doing it any year period.

729
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: And that's my story there. Last one this morning is

730
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: from Tom. It's probably not going to be that long, Tom.

731
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: Tom says, I'm an LSU fan. Is it time to panic? Yep? Now,

732
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: maybe not long term, Tom, or maybe so long term,

733
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you it's going to be a bad

734
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Saturday for you. And you know, I love you guys

735
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: at LSU, and I was their step for step with

736
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: you last year. I was at the Alabama game last

737
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: year when you guys went into Tuscaloosa and one I

738
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: was the whole thing that's being had a big deal

739
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: made of this week about ed ors Run's postgame comments

740
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I was in LSU's media room, which I've

741
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: told you stories before about the visiting media room and

742
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: visiting locker rooms on the road. It's great. Oh it's

743
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: so cramped. It's just it's wonderful. I love it. A

744
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: lot of people complain about it, but I love it. Well. Anyway,

745
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm standing in there and it's a shared wall, but

746
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: the wall I'm leaning on it connects to the LSU

747
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: locker room. So I heard all that going on in there,

748
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: the roll tide blank you what, blah blah blah. Well listen,

749
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: that's not out of place for Ed Orzeron, Like I've

750
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: heard that from him before. The only difference was someone

751
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: happened to be recording in there on there. I can't

752
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: remember who it was, but they were streaming it, so

753
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: that got out, and so I had heard it, man,

754
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: I had heard it. And then like four hours later,

755
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: on my drive home one on my buddy who I

756
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: was with, said, oh, man, did you see this? I

757
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: said what? And he said Orison's postgame comments? And I said, yeah,

758
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean I heard him. You heard him? What are

759
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: you talking about it? He goes, no, no, no, no, Look

760
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: someone was recording it, and I said, oh no, because

761
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: I knew at the time. Man. I remember thinking at

762
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: the time, if if people could hear what I'm hearing

763
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: right now, this would blow the internet up. Well it

764
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: turns out people heard what I heard at that time,

765
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: and it did blow the internet up. They are going

766
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: to crucify LSU Saturday, Bama is. I know I say

767
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: it a lot, but when I say paint the walls

768
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: with someone's blood, that's what they intend to do. Saturday.

769
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: They got kids on that team that came back for

770
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: this game. They could have gone the NFL, they came

771
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: back for this game. It is intensely personal there, so

772
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: the fact that this game is even going to be

773
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: gotten off the ground. And to be honest, I'm still

774
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: not convinced. But if it is that one's going to

775
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: be ugly with a capitol U that lines up to

776
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: thirty and a half as I record here late Monday night,

777
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: I still don't know that it's high enough. I've been

778
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: wrong on this stuff before, but I'm telling you, I

779
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: think Alabama is going to be like you've rarely seen

780
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: them before in a game where a point spread is

781
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: that fat. There's a lot, there's a lot behind the

782
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: motivation for them Saturday. I don't care what Nick Saban

783
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: says about external factors not motive. It may not motivate him,

784
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: but my goodness, he's got some dudes in that locker

785
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: room that will be frothing at the mouth when they

786
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: come out Saturday. So Tom, you just head to home

787
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: depots Saturday. If you got some chores, if you've got

788
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: some backyard projects you want to get out of the way,

789
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: go ahead and schedule those for Saturday night. CBS is

790
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: putting this in primetime. It could carry a TV fourteen

791
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: rating on it. I'm just telling you it's not going

792
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: to be a pretty thing. As for the long term, Tom,

793
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm up in the air on this. This this year,

794
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: the fact that it's a down year for them, that's

795
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: not the biggest shock in the world. I think the

796
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: steepness with which the hill has been that this team's

797
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: fallen down and this program's falling down, that's worrisome. It's

798
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: worrisome because if they were to have been competitive this year,

799
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: lost some close games and let's say they went six

800
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: and four, Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't be ideal, but

801
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: you'd look at it and say, hey, that's what happens

802
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: when you lose all those guys. But they haven't been

803
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: competitive in some games this year, and then you get

804
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: to the off season and it's like, do we really

805
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: just expect them to show back up, revitalized and ready

806
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: to go in twenty twenty one? What kind of staff

807
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: changes are you going to make? Because clearly it was

808
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: a swing and a miss on the defensive coordinator higher

809
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: with Bo Polini, and so I don't know. I mean,

810
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I got orgeron throwing Ensming under the bus after the

811
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: A and M game. Didn't like the plan, even though

812
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: the head coach presumably approves the plans for every single

813
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: game that you play. So Tom, I don't want to

814
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: be one to incite panic. You did just win a

815
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: national championship, of course, but I wouldn't have my mind

816
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: totally at ease right now about the future of the

817
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: LSU program. Let me just say that, all right, quick

818
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: reminder on our way out if you want to hop

819
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: on one of these one on one zoom sessions with me,

820
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: if you're interested in getting into the world of sports media.

821
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: I have been up late tonight. You know. I'm recording

822
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: this like two am only because I was up late.

823
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: I talked with a couple of you tonight, one from

824
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: LSU actually and another from North Carolina, and it's just

825
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: what we're doing here. What I'm doing here is I'm

826
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: setting aside blocks of time. They're very limited, so first come,

827
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: first serve, and I'm setting inside blocks of time every

828
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: week for those of you who want to get into

829
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: this business. You think you have the talent or the

830
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: passion or hopefully both to get into the business, and

831
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: you just don't know how. Maybe you want to build

832
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel podcast, you just don't know how. Major

833
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: hiccup there. Email me we'll talk about it. Josh pat

834
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: seven zero six at gmail dot com or at Latekickjosh

835
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and ask that you follow me on Twitter

836
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: at late Kickjosh. Again, we're released a lot of our

837
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: official best bets on there too that I don't want

838
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: to wait to put on the show because sometimes the

839
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: lines move and I put out a typo. I guess

840
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: it was a speako the other night because it came

841
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. I said, we're only at fifty

842
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: eight percent against the spread. That's false that I lie

843
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: it on myself. We're at sixty point five percent against

844
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: the spread. I just miscounted. And so really good year

845
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: so far. We're going to try and keep that when

846
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: rolling got some more best bets come in tonight on

847
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Speaker 1: the show. Make sure you tuned in, make sure you

848
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Speaker 1: subscribed to the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: and make sure you leave a five star on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: And with that, I bid you ado or bid you

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Speaker 1: to do buy some of my buddies back home and

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Speaker 1: sports and GA like to say erroneously, but I never

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Speaker 1: correct him on it. You guys have yourselves a great Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Stay warm, especially if you're in Nashville. We had snow

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Speaker 1: all day yesterday, so stay warm, stay safe, enjoy your week.

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Speaker 1: I will see you later tonight. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to the Late Kick Extra podcast and God bless