1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us for another edition of 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the Official Type Podcast. My name is Mike Keith, joined 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: by Amy Wells. Amy, thanks for being with us again. 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Hey Mike, well We're very excited to have Dane Brugler 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: with us, draft expert from the Athletic and so many 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: things to start with. But is it true you're an 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: amateur pit master? Is that? Is that for real? Or 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: is that just a heading on your Twitter? No? That 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: is you know, if I really enjoy you know, my 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: job and my career and everything. But if I'm not 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: doing that, if I'm not with my family, that's probably 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: where you need to catch me. As I think I'm 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: smoker trying to come up with new concoctions, and I 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: really it's become a new new hobby for me. I've 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it, all right. So let me ask you this, 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: how did you get started? Well, when I moved, I 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: mean I grew up in Ohio and you know, barbecue 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: for us was hamburgers and hot dogs, and you know, 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: that's what I grew up with. Then I moved to 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Texas and my eyes were opened, you know, I became 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: it just was amazing all the different things you could 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: do the versatility with beef and pork and chicken and 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: all the different things you could do. It really opened 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: my eyes and it was a lot of fun to 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: get my own smoker and start doing my own thing 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: and but doing it for you know, probably six seven 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: years now and it's it's great, all right. So what 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: level of smoker are you too? Now? You know, I 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: really there's different types of smokers obviously, and you know, 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: whether you want to do uh, you know, a stick burner, 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: or you want to do more of I really like 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: the you know, bullet smoker stuff that are easy, like 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, I like the challenge you know you could 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: get so you can have outdoor ovens basically where you 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: just set it and forget it and move on. I 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: like the challenge of controlling the trying to control the 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: fire and you know, just that whole process. That's a 38 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun for me. And so I like the 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: just simple either a bullet smoker or something where I'm 40 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: in control the fire, I'm checking it, you know, crack 41 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: open a beer, have your uh smoker going, and you know, 42 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: let it for the next seven hours, enjoy the smells. 43 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: So what do you make, like, what is your signature meal. Um, 44 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: I think beef ribs are right. Now. If you do 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: beef ribs the right way, there's nothing better. I mean, 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: it's it's so good. It's like, you know, brisket. Um, 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of brisket. If you do brisket the right way, 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. Beef ribs, I think, is the same 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: payoff without maybe some of the time that it takes 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: to do a brisket. So beef ribs, all kinds of 51 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: ribs are great. Pork ribs are great, but to me, 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: beef ribs you do those great salt and peppers. All 53 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: you need, you know, no barbecue sauce anything like that. 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Just let let that beef sing. It's great. Did you 55 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: marry a Texas girl? I did not, Ohio girl. Okay, 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: So so she's kind of joining in this. She came 57 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: to this with no preconceived No, that's right, that's right. Yeah, 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: and I you know, so she's gotta love this, right, 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Yeah, dinner's taken care of. Uh yeah, and 60 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: sometimes it could be simple, you know, we could do uh, 61 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: you know something whether it is hot dogs or burgers 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: or something like that. That's that's fine. But yeah, a 63 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: couple of times a week, do something, do something fun 64 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: that summers and you know what, we just moved back 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: to Ohio. I was in Texas for ten years. We 66 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: just moved back to Ohio and get our kids closer 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: to grandparents and things like that. Uh. So I'm excited 68 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: to bring some of that Texas influence, that barbecue influence 69 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: up up to northeast Ohio and uh kind of spread 70 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: the love up there. Do you compete? No, No, I don't. 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: I don't have time for that. I don't. I'm too competitive. 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: I think I would lose my love for smoking because 73 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: it's you know, I would. I would be so upset 74 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: if I didn't win that, I'd be discouraged. And I 75 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: just I want, I want to enjoy it. It's it's 76 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: more of my escape, you know, because my career is 77 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: competitive enough. You know, family stuff, you know, keeps you, 78 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: keeps you going. But that's kind of my escape, and 79 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: so I want to keep it just enjoyable. Everything about 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: opening a restaurant at Ohio, No, not not at this point. 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: But you never know, you never closed doors. You never 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: you never say never, especially because I think the the 83 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: there's nothing like that. You know, there are a few 84 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: spots here and there, but nothing consistently. So I think 85 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: it would do well up there, I really do. I'd 86 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: go that sounds great. No, it's if you you do 87 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: barbecue the right way, man, there's just gosh, it is 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: some of the best food out there. And uh, you know, 89 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: different parts of the country I think are really open. 90 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just you know, as as 91 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: technology grows and people will become more open minded to 92 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: different parts of the country and the food and you know, 93 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: different you know, food network shows and things like that, 94 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: people become more open minded to it and it spreads, 95 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: and so I think, yeah, Northeast Ohio, I think barbecue 96 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: is becoming a little more popular up there. Are you 97 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: a little fanatical about it? Um? I like things my 98 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: own way or you know, like I've got my own rub, 99 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, my rubs that I use or my uh, 100 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, the pepper has to be certain type of pepper, 101 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: you have to use, certain type of salt. You gotta. Yeah, 102 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: so maybe a little bit, because you have to do 103 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: things the right way for the payoff to be what 104 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: it is. And you know, the biggest thing is just 105 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: the beef. Um. If you if you buy bad beef. 106 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how good of a cookieyard, you're not 107 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna make it taste good. So don't skimp on. You 108 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: know sometimes that stuff can be pretty pricey, but uh, 109 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: you know it's it's if you want to eat good food, uh, 110 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: you want to make it taste the best, pay for 111 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: it upfront, pay for the good stuff and you won't 112 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: be sorry. Have you always been a food guy? Like 113 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: kind of a people throw around foodie a lot? Right? Not? No, 114 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. And it's really just barbecue. 115 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: It's it's it's more of a hobby for me than uh, 116 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, something that I and I and I love, um, 117 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, sharing it with people. You know, it's not 118 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: just I make something for me. And that's good you 119 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: know for whether family events or you know, uh, larger gatherings. 120 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Being able to share that that that barbecue love, that's 121 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fun for me, the same way you 122 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: share the love about the draft. That's why I'm here. 123 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm sharing. Well, but I'm listening to you talk about 124 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: this and this is how you write and talk about 125 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah that's a good point. Yeah, I mean 126 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: there is a passion too, Absolutely there is a depth. 127 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: There's a right way and a wrong way. How did 128 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: you get into covering the draft as in depth as 129 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: you do? Like I said, I'm a Northeast Ohio guy. 130 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: And when the Browns came back to the league in 131 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: ninety nine, I was quite what thirteen and I was 132 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: just enamored with Okay, Tim Couch, Donovan McNab, Achilley Smith, 133 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: Ricky Williams, all these players. What made them good college 134 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: players to be great NFL players? You know what? What 135 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: was that process like? And so it became a hobby 136 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and I realized there's nothing I want to do with 137 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: my life besides this. This is this is awesome. And 138 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of tough because if you want 139 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: to be a doctor, you go to medical school. You 140 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: want to be a lawyer, you go law school. You 141 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: want to be a scout? What do you do? I mean, 142 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: there's no clear cut path to take, and so you 143 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: have to kind of carve your own way. And so 144 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: I went to Mount Union Division three SCHOOLI Division three powerhouse, 145 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: no question, and I worked for the football team and 146 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: my senior year we also had another senior named Pierre Garzone, 147 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: and we had scouts coming through alliance and that that 148 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: really that really helped getting to start that networking and 149 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: learning about the process. And they took me under their 150 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: wing and mentored me, and so that that was kind 151 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: of my introduction to the scouting and you know a 152 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: lot of those friendships are still alive today and so, uh, 153 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, I never thought I'd be doing this on 154 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: a media side like this, but I've I've enjoyed it. 155 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: It's fun, it's it's you know, I don't I'm not 156 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: scouting for one team. I'm scouting for thirty two teams basically, 157 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: and all these players and learning more about them. My 158 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: favorite part of this process is the journey. And you know, 159 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: there's three hundred and thirty seven players here at the combine. 160 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Not one or not two of them have the same 161 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: journey in terms of where they came from when they 162 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: started playing football. You know, the different adversities they faced, 163 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: and so it's fun to learn about that and it 164 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: helps project them forward to see where they came from. Well, 165 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: and You've been able to go from being a guy 166 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: who writes about it to one of the authorities on 167 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: the draft. I mean, you're one of the top people 168 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: who people go to when they want information on this 169 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: specific time of the year. How did you get to 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: that role where you became a person that wasn't just 171 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: one of these other guys writing about it, but you're 172 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: one of the authorities on it. Oh well, I don't know. 173 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I I just kind of I'm on 174 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: the roller coaster and I'll be on it until they 175 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: tell me to get off. You know, I just I 176 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: love the stuff so much, and I think I think 177 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: my passion for it really shows in my work and 178 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: people can tell that, and I think that's a big 179 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: part of it. My Draft Guide is certainly a big 180 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: part um. You know, people know when they read my 181 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: draft guid they know what they're getting. And there's not 182 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: a more in depth draft guide every year than than 183 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: what I offer. And people get it free through the 184 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Athletic of your subscriber to the Athletic, you get it 185 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: for free. So I think we are ye perfect And 186 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, every year that draft guide is 187 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: becomes more and more popular, and you know, I have 188 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: a handful of NFL teams that ask for it every year, 189 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: And um, I think that's really the kind of the 190 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: backbone of me as a as an evaluaiter and it 191 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: really shows the depth of how far, how far you 192 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: can go into this and so I really enjoy it 193 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: putting together those draft guides. That has to be a 194 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of work. I mean there's more than three 195 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: hundred guys here, and there's even more than that just 196 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: out in the world who played the sport. How do 197 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: you even approach that? Yeah, it's it's one bite at 198 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: a time, you know, it's something that, uh, over the 199 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: course of the last year, I've probably evaluated you know, 200 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: four or five thousand players and some of those guys 201 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: you know quickly like okay, time to move on, or 202 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: you know, like you can eliminate them because I'm not 203 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: a scouting department. I'm one person, and so, um, you know, 204 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: it's not doing it all by myself. You know, obviously 205 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: I lean on a lot of my sources within with 206 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: NFL teams. You know, they tell me a guy to 207 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: check out, and you know, there's a trade of information there. 208 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: But um, you know, it's it is. There is a 209 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: lot and as part of the reason we move back 210 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: to Ohio is so we could be around family. So 211 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, my wife and my two kids are not 212 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: h you know that because at this time of year especially, 213 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of hold up in my I'm either 214 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: on the road or I'm hold up in my office 215 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: watching tape and trying to figure these guys out. So 216 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: it is a process that can be overwhelming, for sure, 217 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, it's it's it's also a lot 218 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: of fun. I mean, I'm blessed to say I'm able 219 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: to do this for a living. Uh, blessed to say that, 220 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: you know what, would I love my passion. I'm able 221 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: to do that and get paid for it, and that's 222 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: my career. Is Dane Brugler from The Atlantic, a guy 223 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: who has a mentor in this business in terms of evaluation. 224 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: One of the guys that really um helped me is 225 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: a guy I'm sure you're familiar with, Cio Brocado. Uh 226 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: he absolutely. Um My, So when I first started, you know, 227 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe ten years ago now, um, I think it was, yeah, 228 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I think maybe that has an eleven draft. Um. 229 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: That was when CEO I think his wife had just died. Um. 230 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: He he was kind of he was struggling a little 231 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: bit with some health problems and he uh I helped 232 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: him out a lot with pro days, and so I 233 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: would go to the and this is when I was 234 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: in DFW, and I would go to the t see 235 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: you pro day and get all the results, take a 236 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: lot of notes, and then I'd stop at his house 237 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: in Arlington on the way back and I would spend 238 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: an hour there telling him, Okay, this is what happened, 239 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: this is Andy Dalton looked good throwing, missed a few 240 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: of these outthrows, and you know, talk about you know, 241 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: just all the different players there. And I do that 242 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: for A and M and a few other pro days, 243 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: and he taught me so much learning from him, and uh, 244 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's absolutely legend in scouting, and uh there 245 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: were times where I just I wouldn't talk. I would 246 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: just you know, I didn't have time to get a 247 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: question out because he's he's talking, and uh just take 248 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: him just taking notes furiously. And that was really the 249 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: basis of kind of my scouting, uh knowledge, my informal education. 250 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: And so yeah, he would definitely, Uh he's definitely someone 251 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: that I've leaned on over the years, and unfortunately he's 252 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: no longer with us, but he really helped me get 253 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: get my feet wet and get started in this business. 254 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: CEO Briccado may have been one of the more generous 255 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: people I've ever met. Absolutely, Yeah, and he uh, and 256 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: he's done so much. I mean he invented the three 257 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: cone drill, right, I mean, I mean he has done 258 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: so much for scouting in this business. And yeah, he 259 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: there was one time where I stopped at his house 260 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: and Gil Brown was there and I could picture it, 261 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: like yesterday, They're both sitting at the kitchen table. I 262 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: walk in the didn't say, we're just kind of leaned 263 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: up against the counter and listen to these guys swap 264 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: stories for I mean, it was well over an hour 265 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: and that that was just that's the type of education. 266 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: You're not kind of gonna get a classroom. You're not 267 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: gonna very blessed to have those opportunities that people were 268 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: very generous with their time, like CEO to take me 269 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: under their wing and teach me, show me the ropes, 270 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: and uh. That that's invaluable information that has really helped 271 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: me along the way. Information that's proximity to NFL legends 272 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: that is that's incredible. So is there one nugget that 273 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: you can pull out of that as there one piece 274 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: of information that you gathered that has made you the 275 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: evaluator that you are today. Um, you know, I think 276 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot of its common sense. Like a lot of 277 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: the things that CEO say, it would just common sense, 278 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: like he would say something and this. Uh, you know, 279 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: you could learn a lot just just by observing, you know, 280 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: and like it's as simple as that. It's like yeah, 281 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: duh like that. That's that sounds that's that's very profound 282 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: because you know you don't need to necessarily. Uh, you know, 283 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: there's no like none of us are like scouting geniuses, 284 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, liked to have all the answers. It's more 285 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: about knowing what to look for and so being observant 286 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: and understanding different things, the different positions, different traits that 287 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: you're looking for. Uh. He was a big proponent in 288 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: watching a player in space and seeing how he moves 289 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: and how that helps tell you what kind of athlete 290 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: he is and you know his change of direction. And 291 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: then that's why I invented the three cone drill, because 292 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: that if you're a stiff athlete, you are not escaping 293 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: the three cone drill without a poor time. And so uh, 294 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: the change of direction, the balance, the quickness, um short 295 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: area burst things like that. Uh, it really helps show 296 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: you what type of athlete he is, what type of 297 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: player is um? And it matters from position by position. 298 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, there's so many things over the years 299 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: that I still true today. Was there a player at 300 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: a certain moment that you got right that let Dane 301 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Bruegler know I can do this. I was a big 302 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown fan. Um. Now obviously character is a big 303 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: part of that too, and take all the other general 304 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: exactly what a career. Yeah, I loved him out of 305 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: Central Michigan. I thought that watching the MAC film and 306 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: seeing him, and I mean he was tremendous, Uh, smaller 307 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: guy but athletic. Uh you know he snatched the football 308 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: and create after the catch. And you know, I when 309 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I was one thing, you know, learning from each position, 310 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: it was at receiver. It's don't overthink it. It's about 311 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: two things, getting open and catching the football. If you 312 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: can do those two things, you can play receiver in 313 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. And now in today's NFL there's a third thing. 314 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: It's what can you do after the catch? Uh? You 315 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: know guy like uh Aj Brown obviously jack monster with 316 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: what he can do with the ball in his hands 317 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: and that's something Antonio Brown was really good at in 318 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: different ways obviously, but seeing him on that Central Michigan 319 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: tape told me, okay, yeah, this is a guy's a 320 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: second round. I gave him a second round grade, which 321 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: even that was low, uh with with the career that 322 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: he put together, but uh, yeah that was you know, 323 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm because that was still that mean, that was very 324 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: early twenty ten. Yeah, and I'm I'm like, you know, 325 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: there's only so many resources at that point in time, 326 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, no one's talking about this guy, 327 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: Like what am I missing? Like this guy's really good. 328 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: And then you know, he goes in the sixth round. 329 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, maybe I maybe I'm missing something on him. 330 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: And then he has a career and I'm like, okay, 331 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe I do have an eye for this. 332 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: Is he a classic case of a guy who plays 333 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: faster than his time? Yeah, and you know that ran 334 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: pretty well, Yeah, usually about mid four fives, I think, Yeah, 335 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was and some guys just don't take 336 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: it serious enough. And I think that was probably his 337 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: mostly his problem. Um, you know, he didn't train for 338 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: it as much as some other guys do. And uh, 339 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: that that certainly shows. And and that's why a lot 340 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: of ways, the forty becomes a has become a tough 341 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: drill to really really evaluate. I mean, if you're slow, 342 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna show. But some of these guys, that's they 343 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: spent the last two months training for nothing but the 344 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: forty yard dash and so and certain guys that have 345 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: track backgrounds have a better advantage because they understand, you know, 346 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: three point stand, having your hand on the ground. So 347 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: there are certain things that give them the advantage. But yeah, 348 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: that if when you come to your combine, and I 349 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: would advise this for you know, anybody listening, any any 350 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: fans that love the combine, come into it with an 351 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: idea of what a player is going to run, because 352 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: if he doesn't run that time, okay, then go back 353 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: and figure out why. Sometimes you'll watch a player and 354 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: they'll be you know, maybe you watched four games where 355 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: they had a hamstring injury, and you watch them later 356 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: in the season and you see that speed or you knows, 357 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: some guys are just faster on a football field. So yeah, 358 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of things that take from these drills, 359 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: and it's never really black and white. There's plenty of 360 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: gray at the combine. There's been a lot of conversation 361 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: this year and in future years about changing the drills 362 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: and maybe changing up some of the way that things 363 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: are done. As an evaluator, how will that impact you, 364 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: especially because you won't maybe have the line of comparison 365 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: to drafts other athletes. That's the key that the historical 366 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: uh times that you know, like I know, I've got um, 367 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, all the data from all these combines. I 368 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: know that on average, you know, wide, take the top 369 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: thirty wide receivers in the NFL at the combine, they 370 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: all ran an average of a four four eight forty 371 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: yard dash or you know, and and it becomes more 372 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: specialized with a ten yard split with an edge rusher 373 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: and things like that. So, yeah, that that is a 374 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: concern because we don't have that historical things to compare 375 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: it to. But you have to start somewhere, right, and 376 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: I think this is you know, the all the changes 377 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: this year have been about primetime. It's not about what's 378 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: best for the team. It's not what's best for the player. 379 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: And so I just hope that if they do make 380 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: some changes, which it's coming, I mean, it's going to 381 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: turn into a traveling road show. They're gonna go to 382 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: it just like the draft, and I and I get 383 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: that because it's if they have a chance to make 384 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: money on it, they're going to and you know, it 385 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: might help widen the combine, the open up to other 386 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: fans and so um, you know, you look at different uh, 387 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, Vegas and La Frisco, Texas. I think can 388 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: do it. So it'll be interesting in that respect. But 389 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: I am interested with some of these drills, timing different drills, 390 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: doing some things that are more you know, it's okay 391 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: to evolve. I just hope that the reasoning behind it 392 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: is not what the fans want to see, but more 393 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: like what's going to help us evaluate these players and 394 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: figure them out. All right, So we'd like to throw 395 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: a few names at you and just get a quick 396 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: thumbnail if you're okay with that, Yeah, all right, So 397 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start amy. You have your list. I've got 398 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: my list right here. So the Titans are talked about 399 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: a lot with edge dressers, so you're gonna notice some 400 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: edg dressers in the list. Curtis Weaver from Boise State. 401 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: This is a big week for him. Um, in terms 402 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: of because he's not known as you know, just great athlete. 403 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: He beat up Mountain West competition, I mean set the 404 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: conference record for career sacks. So the production is there. 405 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: What is he going to do in the three cone? 406 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: You know that is can he bend enough? His body 407 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: type has been the top of good discussion kind of 408 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: that the bad by average athlete really does a nice 409 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: job using his hands. Can he get a sub seven 410 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: second three cone drill? That would be important for him 411 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: to show that he can bend and move a little bit. 412 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: I think he's probably that late second early third round discussion. 413 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: No matter what he does here his tape, his production 414 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: is you know, especially at pass rusher, those guys just 415 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: don't last very long. What about Joe Burrow, guy who's 416 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: been getting a lot of attention here in the quarterback 417 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: out of LSU. I mean, one of the best seasons 418 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: we've seen, maybe ever at the quarterback position with what 419 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: he did this year, capped it off with the national 420 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: title game. With the national championship, you know, we're gonna 421 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: hear about the hand size, We're gonna hear about all 422 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: he only did it one year. I mean, list what 423 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: you want in a quarterback and you know you're talking 424 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: about mental processing, accuracy, confidence, composure, pocket awareness. He has 425 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: those things and so the Bengals should not overthink it. 426 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: He will be the Bengals opening they starter in twenty twenty, 427 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: and I think he'll I think he's gonna be an 428 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: outstanding pro a man from Notre Dame. And I don't 429 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: think he's working out this week because he's still he 430 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: fibula broke his fibula in November and so I still 431 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: think he's working his way back from that. So if 432 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: he and I would say, if he was able to 433 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: work out, he would have blown this place off because 434 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: he is a phenomenal athlete. But that's kind of the 435 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: knock on him. He's a great athlete, but uh it 436 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: doesn't know how to use his hands. Um, you know 437 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: it's not He's not a super physical guy. And I'm 438 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: not gonna put the the s where the soft. I'm 439 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: not gonna put that on him. But you want to 440 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: see him get more physical. You want to see him, 441 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: uh play with more power. Uh it uses hands better 442 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher because in the NFL, you're not 443 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna be able to run around these tackles. They're gonna 444 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: stop you, and you have to have that plan B. 445 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: You have to have those counter options. And so for him, 446 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: he's I think he's probably gonna go on day two 447 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: because he's just too good of an athlete. But he 448 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: really needs to expand his pass rush options because the 449 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: athleticism alone is not going to do it. But that 450 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: I thought of athleticism does give him versatility. He can 451 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: drop in space, do some different things and that'll that'll 452 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: help his verse tility when he's the NFL. What about 453 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: Jeffrey o'cuda, the corner from Ohio State, he's a stud 454 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's when you when you look at a 455 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: corner and that's what you wanted to look like. Length, athleticism, 456 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: he's Chase Young's gonna be the first defensive player drafted. 457 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: Okuda has got a good chance to be the second 458 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: defensive player drafted, both from Ohio State. Uh. There's a 459 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: lot to like about him as a person as just 460 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: with his body type as an athlete. Uh, and he's 461 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: a smart guy. Didn't have a ton of production, but 462 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't tested a lot either at Ohio State. So yeah, 463 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a top five pick. And especially cornerback 464 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: is one of the top three most important positions on 465 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: your roster. And so with that in mind, okud is 466 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: not gonna have to last very long to hear his 467 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: name called. I want to ask you about Vanderbilt tight 468 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: end Jared Pitte didn't really have the senior year, right, 469 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, uh he if he came out last year, 470 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: he probably would have been a second round pick. Um. 471 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: And you know when of the first tight ends drafted 472 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: comes back for a senior year, new offensive coordinator, uh, 473 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, new quarterback, some changes on offense, and watching 474 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: him on tape, there were times where he was he 475 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: was open in the end zone or you know, he 476 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: got a little bit of separation. He just the quarterback 477 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: wasn't able to get him the football. It does make 478 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: you worry a little bit when you know his only 479 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: two touchdowns as a senior came against like East Tennessee 480 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: State or you know. It just it did not have 481 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: the senior you you expected from a talent like that. 482 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: I like him. I think that there's not a fatal 483 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: flaw in his game. It's just does he do anything exceptional? 484 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that he does. And that's okay. I mean, 485 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: you can survive in the NFL as as a quality 486 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: player without having those exceptional traits, as long as you 487 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: just don't have something that really keeps you from seeing 488 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: the field. Does he get on Day two, I don't know. 489 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a better chance of going on Day three. Fourth, 490 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: fifth rounds probably the landing spot for him. What do 491 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: you think about wide receiver CD Lamb out of Oklahoma? 492 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: He to me is the top receiver in this draft, 493 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: and which is saying something considering how deep this draft is. 494 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: He coming from the Big twelve, there is a little 495 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: bit of a projection there. He doesn't face all tunnel press. 496 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: You know, we know how much that that conference likes 497 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: to throw it around. Think about the quarterbacks he's had 498 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: the last three years, Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray and 499 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: then Jalen Hurst. I mean, not bad, three really talented quarterbacks, 500 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: but pretty impressive that he had the production that he 501 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: did with three different guys. There's some DeAndre Hopkins to 502 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: him down the field, with his ability to isolate the football, 503 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: his catch point skills, what's it gonna run? I think 504 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: if he gets in the four fours, I think he's 505 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: going to secure himself. Is probably the top receiver in 506 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: this draft, but there's not gonna be no consensus. Some 507 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: teams will prefer Jerry Judy, some teams. I wouldn't not 508 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: be surprised at all if Henry Ruggs is the first 509 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: receiver off the board Juwan Jennings wide receiver Tennessee. So 510 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: talk about how the combine is getting important for these guys, 511 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: It's gonna be really important for him. I would not 512 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: be surprised if he ran in the four sixes because 513 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: that's what he looks like on tape, and so what 514 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: is he gonna run the forty yard dash? That'll be 515 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: an interesting part of his evaluation. He doesn't win with speed, 516 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: but I mean he's forget position. He's one of the toughest, 517 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: toughest players in this draft, which you don't usually say 518 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: about receivers, but his ability to work the middle of 519 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: the field, his physicality, his toughness, it's just really really impressive. 520 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: He fits that. You know, we usually we think of 521 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: slot receivers, we think of those small guys, shifty guys. 522 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: He's part of that big physical those big slots. Uh, 523 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: And that's that's what I think he can do. So 524 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: it's a loaded class and I think in most years 525 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about him as a as a third round player. 526 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a good chance he's available in the 527 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: fourth round just because he's probably gonna run you know, 528 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: a four six zero or something like that, and there's 529 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: just there's so many wide receivers in this class that 530 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna get pushed down. A little bit about Tristan 531 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: Wharf's the offensive tackle out of Iowa. Fantastic talent. This 532 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: is a guy in high school who was a three 533 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: time state champ in the discus and the shot put. 534 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: He won a state championship in wrestling. Uh and oh yeah, 535 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: he's pretty good football player too, so but what he 536 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: did in those sports really helped develop him as a 537 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: football player with his balance, his body control, his awareness. 538 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna have a great week here 539 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: at the Comboy. He's gonna test really well. He can 540 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: play left side or right side. People get hung up on, 541 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, he was a right tackle, but the reason 542 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: he was the right tackles because the left tackle couldn't 543 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: play right tackle, and so they just wanted to get 544 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: their two best tackles on the on the field. And 545 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: today's NFL, I don't think it matters as much left tackle, 546 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: right tackle, and you're gonna see pass rushes from either side. Yes, 547 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: you want to protect the blind side, but still you're 548 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: gonna see those pass rush terrors come off either side. 549 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: So he is he is in the mix to be 550 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: a top three offensive tackle in this class, and I 551 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: think it's I do not see him getting out of 552 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: the top twelve picks. What does Dane Brugler think of 553 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: Georgia quarterback Jake from I think that he could teach. 554 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: He's gonna be in these interviews this week. I think 555 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna teach some of these coaches some things about offense. 556 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: He is that smart, that bright when it comes to 557 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: XS and O's breaking down on the white board, breaking 558 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: down the film coverages, protections. He's just he's so locked in, 559 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: which is really impressive for a true junior. That's where 560 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: he's going to really impress some coaches and he's going 561 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: to uh, he's gonna make some coaches believers with what 562 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: he does in those meetings. So really impressed with him 563 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: and everything. The physical stuff is average. You talk about 564 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: the size, the arm, strength, the athleticism, and so as 565 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: long as he you know, the hand size was under 566 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: nine inches, which is not ideal as long as he 567 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: can throw it. And it'd be interesting during the drills 568 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: because they do these in alphabetical order. Eason Jacobison has 569 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: probably the strongest arm in this draft, Eason and then 570 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: From right after him. And so it's gonna be how 571 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: much of a difference is it in terms of velocity? 572 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: And that's that's one reason why the combine so good, 573 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: because you you know, forty yard dash, whatever, drill, it's 574 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: one after the after the other after the other. You 575 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: can compare these guys how they look. And so throwing 576 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: the football, it's gonna look great when the ball comes 577 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: off Easton's arm. How does it look when from and 578 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: it comes off From's arm? Is it doesn't have to 579 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, match what Easton's gonna do. It just can't 580 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: look you know, it can't be a huge difference. Um, 581 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: but I will I will bet this that From's balls 582 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: will be a lot more accurate, even though they might 583 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: not go as fast as Zeasen's balls. What about Patrick Queen, 584 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the linebacker out of LSU. If you want to make 585 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: a list of the most explosive players in this draft, 586 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: you can't make it without including Patrick Queen, if high 587 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: school running back who played a little bit of linebacker. 588 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: He was strictly a linebacker at LSU. Really developed this 589 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: year into one of the best linebackers in the country 590 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: sideline the sideline range. He's explosive. There's so much alike 591 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: with about him as an athlete. But this year you 592 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: really saw him mentally developed. You saw him see things 593 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: really really well. And so he's one of the youngest 594 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: players in this draft. He's gonna be twenty years old 595 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: on draft weekend, doesn't turn twenty one until the summer. 596 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: He is an ascending player and that's why I don't 597 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: think he gets out of the top twenty picks. Cam Akers, 598 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: the running back from Florida State, really really physically gifted 599 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: as a runner. I do question a little bit about 600 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: you know, some of the vision things like that. He 601 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: but he played behind such a subpar offensive line of 602 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: Florida State. The passing game didn't help him out at 603 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: all in terms of opening things up in the run game. 604 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: So that that's part of the context with Cam Akers. 605 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: I think he's a checkers runner, and what I mean 606 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: by that is he's very aggressive and you know, he 607 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: wants to jump you that type of thing. I want 608 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: to see more chess. I want to see more patients, 609 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: more strategy and what he's doing. I think that will 610 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: help open things up for him. But he is a 611 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: he's a really, really talented guy. I think probably third 612 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: round is where he's headed. What about Zach Bond, the 613 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: edge rusher out of Wisconsin, really versatile player who in 614 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: in college he was more of a pass rusher in 615 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: Wisconsin's three four scheme, but in the NFL, and he's 616 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: been more of an off ball player, a guy that 617 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: can drop in space, play in reverse. I think that's 618 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: because of his athleticism. I think he does have a 619 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: chance to go in the first round. So I think 620 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: he's a top forty player who I want to play 621 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: him at off ball where he can cover in space. 622 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: But then also, you know, let's not forget how good 623 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: he was as a pass rusher. Figure out those blitzing 624 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: options for him and on sub packages on Nichols, that 625 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: type of thing. So he is a chance. He has 626 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: a chance to go in the first round, but if 627 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: he falls to the second round, he's not gonna have 628 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: to wait very long to hear his name called. All right, 629 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: Dane's gotta go pick one more. Uh. Jalen Hurts, the 630 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: quarterback out of Oklahoma. Good one than Hurts. Hurts is uh. 631 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: He's interesting. Um. I think there's there's so much to 632 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: like about him as a as a person as in 633 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: terms of his football character. His mentality is exactly what 634 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: you want for the position. M I need to see 635 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: him get better with his anticipation. He holds the ball 636 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: way too long. He needs to see things quicker. And 637 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, there were times we watch him on tape 638 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: where he's just he's holding the ball way too long. 639 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: The guy's open and he's not hitting it, and he 640 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: just he needs to speed things up and get and 641 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: get a little faster with his delivery. And if he 642 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: does that, I think he can survive in this league 643 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: at worse as a backup. But until he does that, 644 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: I think we're still talking about him as a as 645 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: a prospect and a guy that maybe could get there. 646 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: And so I don't know that he goes top one hundred. 647 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: Maybe he sneaks into the third round, but if he 648 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: doesn't go third, he's gonna go pretty pretty early in 649 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: the fourth. Let me get one more last one. Edge 650 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Man from Michigan State Kerry willickis, Yeah, that guy's not 651 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna test really well. The speed's okay, but the guy's 652 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: angry with his rush. Small player. Yeah, absolutely, he's a 653 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: guy's gonna he's gonna give you a full day and 654 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: he's not gonna give anything less. I mean, so, uh, 655 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, you hate to just throw, you know, overachiever 656 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: label on him, but that's what he is. He gets 657 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: more out of his He's a former walk on. You know, 658 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 1: he's used to getting more out of his ability than 659 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: what people think. And so I don't think that's gonna 660 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: change in the NFL. And he ends up being a 661 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: six round pick, and you know, he ends up sticking 662 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: on a roster because coaches just won't be able to 663 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: cut him because he's he's his motor does not quit 664 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: and he's able to do enough to hold onto a 665 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: roster spot. Think about what we've learned here, pit Master, 666 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: this guy, Yep, Ohio guy, Texas guy, Ceo Brocado guy. 667 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, guy who knows Ceo Brocado would 668 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: be awful proud of you. I know Brocado from nineteen 669 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: ninety eight on and he gave me the business quite 670 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: a bit too, so we have that in common. And uh, 671 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: you're you're doing great. I know I scared you one 672 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: year at the Combine when I came up and told 673 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: you that, but you you have become a star like 674 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: I thought you would. Congratulations on all your success and 675 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking time with us. Dane 676 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: Brugler and he's on. Thank you guys, Dane Brugler with 677 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: the Athletic. Tell people I think follow you on Twitter 678 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: at dp Brugler and then again everything's at the Athletic 679 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: and if you have a subscription, you get the guy 680 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: as part of your subscription. I promise you if you 681 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: if you like the NFL Draft at all, zero chance 682 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: or disappointment. Well, I like the Athletics. I'm really enjoying 683 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: it for Dane Brugler and Amy Wells. Mike Keat says 684 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: thanks for listening to the OTP.