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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Hey, Yo, how you doing. I hope it's

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Speaker 1: all good out there in the world. For well, we

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Speaker 1: can hope in your world, in your personal world, personal world.

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Speaker 1: Everything's been great, very excited. Today we're going to be

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Speaker 1: back in the Kink world. Yes, crazy episode about an

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Speaker 1: Australian composer. And I think it's about time. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've been all over the world on this show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we have not really degraded the Australians with our

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Speaker 1: accents yet, and I think it's time we give them

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Speaker 1: a taste of our own medicine, our shitty medicine. What's

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Speaker 1: the opposite of medicine poison? I guess, Yeah, in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Here comes the poison. Australia high on my list to visit,

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Speaker 1: am I own? I mean, dream trip if I really

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Speaker 1: Japan and then Australia. Sure, vice versa, because you're much

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Speaker 1: closer to one from the other, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I've long said that, I might have even said this

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Speaker 1: on this show. But if and when I can never

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Speaker 1: get seriously into philanthropy, my goal would be getting people travel,

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Speaker 1: you know, helping people who don't have the means because

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Speaker 1: travel is very expensive, even if you do it cheaply,

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Speaker 1: to just travel freely, and I just think that's such

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Speaker 1: an important part of living, of the human experience, and

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Speaker 1: I think it makes everybody better people. So that's to me,

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Speaker 1: that's how I would contribute to the world. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Everybody should travel. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what I'm jealous about with in terms of Australians is

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Speaker 1: that they get so much time off to travel from

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Speaker 1: their work. I remember when I worked at the Highland Bakery,

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Speaker 1: we would often get people in there from Australia who

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Speaker 1: all of America. You know there would be going to

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Speaker 1: so many amazing places in a few months. How can

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Speaker 1: you tell me again what they said? Oh, they said,

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Speaker 1: oh you know I'm on for Manchester. Is that what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing? Well, it's definitely not what I was doing

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Speaker 1: just then. I don't know what what's it down? Like,

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Speaker 1: Let's see, they'd say, crikey, I'm on me from London.

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Speaker 1: I really poor doing this, poor la. Neither of us

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Speaker 1: are nailing. It's okay, give me a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I need, I need a phrase to get me into crikey.

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Speaker 1: That's a big spider, a big spider. Time for me

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Speaker 1: to eat some vegemite. The vegemite scares the spider off.

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Speaker 1: That scares the spider. You're too soft. Yeah, I get

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Speaker 1: a little graph kangaroo chasing you down with a big knife.

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Speaker 1: And you turn around and you say, oh, that's not

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Speaker 1: a knife. That's oh god, that is a knife. Who

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Speaker 1: gave this kangaroo such a big note? You know, Australia

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Speaker 1: in the air back? How's that? On the amback? What?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you're circling Australia. Find Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of like in a boat off the shore somewhere

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Speaker 1: quite ever landing there. Now you're stuck at sea, crack,

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Speaker 1: can't land. Well, let's land it on our subject. And

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Speaker 1: so we've now that we've changed. You know, Australia is

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Speaker 1: at least a quarter of our audience. So sorry for

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Speaker 1: those of you still with us. Apologies. This subject was

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Speaker 1: suggested by Sarah at Huzza Underscore Sarah on Instagram. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Sarah, this is good huzza. And yeah, like you said,

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Speaker 1: Australian musician Percy Aldridge Granger. This guy was an internationally

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Speaker 1: why are we talking about this guy? Well, because what

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Speaker 1: But inside were some of Percy's conductor's batons, but they

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Speaker 1: were not being used for conducting. Oh so let's tell

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Speaker 1: you all about this kinky composer and his love for

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Speaker 1: Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no

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Speaker 1: matchmaking a romantic tips. It's just about pridiculous Relationships. A

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Speaker 1: second Clinch Ridiculous Roles, a production of iHeartRadio. Percy Aldridge

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Speaker 1: Granger was born near Melbourne in Australia. His dad, John

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Speaker 1: Percy was born in eighteen eighty two, she discovered that

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Speaker 1: she had contracted syphilis from her promiscuous husband. That is infuriating.

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Speaker 1: Rose was Percy's main parent. She handled pretty much everything

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Speaker 1: him quote the flextenhad phenomenon, who plays like a mesta.

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Speaker 1: How is that? I think it's a little keywee. But

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Speaker 1: People are like, oh my god, kids amazing. So Rose

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Speaker 1: eighteen ninety five. Now, when Frankfurt, Percy continued to study piano,

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Speaker 1: and he started doing this. He would set poetry to music,

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Speaker 1: of death. I looked into the abyss, and Lilith looked back. Wow. Well,

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Speaker 1: It's very likely that Percy Granger saw Williams and Walker's

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Speaker 1: But they were so good that their plays were some

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Speaker 1: more than three hundred pieces of folk music from all

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Speaker 1: But finally, in nineteen eleven, Percy felt confident enough to

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Speaker 1: it was played with thirty quote exceptionally strong and vigorous

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Speaker 1: pianists on nineteen pianos. I've heard Australians have exceptionally strong

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Speaker 1: and vigorous pianists. That's what they say. The pianists down

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Speaker 1: there amazing. He was also still teaching, and Percy began

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Speaker 1: he did remain close with her her whole life. If

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Speaker 1: to in nineteen thirteen. But according to John Bird's biography

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Speaker 1: Percy Grainger, the relationship fell apart partly due to Percy's mother,

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Speaker 1: Rose's over possessiveness. M Okay, so so far, We've got

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Speaker 1: he's dating his students. So far, so good, A plus great,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna do it so good now. His mother,

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Speaker 1: Rose's over possessiveness might be part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: rumors persisted that the two of them had an inappropriately

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Speaker 1: time were whispering that it was incestuous. James J. Conway

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Speaker 1: writes in his article A Percy Granger Glossary that there

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Speaker 1: are also some pieces of writing by Percy that show

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Speaker 1: how quote mother fixated he is, including pieces with titles

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Speaker 1: like arguments with beloved Mother, mother's worship of bodily beauty,

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Speaker 1: We should all write an essay, Yeah, I'd I dislike

421
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: number one Percy Granger, anti Semitism. This essay began quote

422
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: almost everything. First of all foreigners, which means all Europeans

423
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: except the British, the Scandinavians, and the Dutch. Wow, what

424
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: a dick. I'm saying, good god, man, I mean, this

425
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: guy started out possibly being a motherfucker and now he's

426
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: just a motherfucker. You know, there's many ways to be

427
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, and this guy found both of them. Geez.

428
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: He even veers into eugenesis territory. Of course he does, yea.

429
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: He wrote at one point quote, let us set our

430
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: house in order to kill off the sick, the nasty,

431
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the ugly, the lazy. Jesus Boo Percy. This guy is

432
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: the worst. This guy's really bad. Kill off the sick.

433
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god. Look, something's even in that

434
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: moronic mindset of Well, if we just kind of can

435
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: sort of reign in genetics a little bit, we'll have

436
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: perfect people. There's so many problems with that idea to

437
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: begin with. Also, it doesn't work like that, and a

438
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: lot of the things he's talking about are not genetic. Like, sorry,

439
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: but I know some beautiful people with some ugly ass children,

440
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, and vice versa. You don't know how it's

441
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: gonna come out. Also, you know, a baby could be

442
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: very beautiful and then grow up to not be that beautiful.

443
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of a plain normal looking person, and vice versa.

444
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: So you don't know, I know a whole duckling with

445
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: that story. There's the duckling and he says he wants

446
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: to kill off the nasty well. Percy, why don't you

447
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: start with yourself? Right, you nasty well. Knowing all that

448
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: about him, it's maybe not surprising that when he met

449
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: the Swedish poet and painter Ela Strome in nineteen twenty eight,

450
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: he was immediately stricken with her blonde, blue eyed beauty. Wow.

451
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: Ella Strom sounds a little too close to Eva Brauns

452
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: for me. Yikes. They met on a steamship they were

453
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: coming back to America in nineteen twenty six, and they

454
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: became friends on the voyage, and then they met again

455
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: in England the following year, and in October of nineteen

456
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: twenty seven, they decided to get married. And there's not

457
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: much written about Ella herself, so we can't really get

458
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: a good picture of her. So let's turn to the

459
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: New York Times, because they ran an engagement announcement with

460
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: a quote from Percy saying, quote, miss Strome is a

461
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: very prototype of radiant Nordic, as lovely as the morning

462
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: to look upon, and a regular Amazon to walk run

463
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: swim and dance and play games at the same time.

464
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: She is one of the most deeply and many sidedly

465
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: gifted artists I have ever met, and it is hard

466
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: to say what charms I most saw in her bewitching

467
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: beauty or the philosophical and emotional depths of her nature

468
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: as shown forth in her art and thoughts. It is

469
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: an unspeakable boon to me to have this soul satisfying

470
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: comrade to commune with. Wow. So she's tall, she's blonde,

471
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: that's good enough for me, twite, She's an artist. She

472
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: gets me. He also wrote a song for her, called

473
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: to a Nordic Princess, and they married on August ninth,

474
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight, at the Hollywood Bowl, following one of

475
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Percy's concerts, in front of twenty two thousand people. I

476
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: bet they didn't serve a meal to twenty two thousand people.

477
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: Oh true, Yeah, I was gonna say. We had one

478
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty and it was nuts. Well. After marrying Ella,

479
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: Percy's creativity seemed to ramp back up. He started experimenting

480
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: with electronic music as early as nineteen thirty seven, and

481
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: he also started working on what he called free music

482
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: and see there's sounds in nature that occur together but

483
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: without harmony, but they're still not jarring to the ear.

484
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: It's not like just hitting two random notes on a

485
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: on a piano that sound weird together. That's two kind

486
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: of discordant noises that work. Yeah, like birds singing together

487
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: or something. He was just like, there's all these sounds

488
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: that aren't planned, but they sound beautiful together. Right, Sometimes

489
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I hear like, you know that the sound of an

490
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: eagle screeching while while a jackhammer is breaking the pavement

491
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: in the construction site behind our backyards, there's something beautiful

492
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: about it. Well, he wanted to try and recreate that

493
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: sort of natural sound music without the boring constrictions of

494
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: tone and meter. His positions included parts for these solivox

495
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: and for theremins, but he felt that in order to

496
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: have truly free music, human players would have to be

497
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: eliminated entirely, leaving the performance to the machines. So I

498
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: guess you'd be a big proponent of AI today. His

499
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: eugenicism goes all the way to like what if we

500
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: just kill off all the people at all, you know,

501
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: the worst kind of people people. I mean, for real,

502
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: this guy's crazy. Now. To this end, he, alongside a

503
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: young physics teacher named Burnett Cross, invented several very weird instruments,

504
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: including the st read tone tool, which is basically this

505
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: bizarre giant harmonica, the Butterfly Piano, which was this like

506
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: smaller piano that was tuned to one sixth notes instead

507
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: of the usual twelve, so an octave was broken down

508
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: into six notes instead of twelve, and the Kangaroo pouch

509
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: free music machine in nineteen fifty two, which, according to

510
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Atlas Obscura, was quote designed to sound like a malfunctioning

511
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: air raid siren. Okay, that was two things. First of all,

512
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: great name, kangaroo pouch free music machine, I'm in, and also,

513
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: second of all, designed to sound I feel like you

514
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: could just get an air raid siren and break it. Yeah,

515
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: that's what it's supposed to sound like. But another thing

516
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: that was occupying his mind a lot was his overwhelming

517
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: desire for a Percy Granger museum. He told Ella, quote,

518
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: I am hungry for fame after death, and he was

519
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: very obsessed with his own legacy, partly because he felt

520
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: he's a truly amazing musician. He had no peers in

521
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: his own time and nobody understands me. And partly because

522
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: he felt he was kind of the only remaining legacy

523
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: of his deceased parents, particularly of course his darling mother,

524
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: and to preserve his own life was in a way

525
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: preserving their greatest contribution to the world as well. Oh wow,

526
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: So the guy just did not have a self esteem problem,

527
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: is what I'm learning. Yeah, the shock of shocks. This

528
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: guy wanted a whole museum dedicated to himself. Oh my god, obsessive.

529
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: But Linda Nimick wrote a really in depth paper for

530
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the National Museum of Australia that says that pretty much

531
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: as soon as his mother died, he got real fixated

532
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: on this idea. She feels that he was so closely

533
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: like he just felt so closely identified with his mother

534
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: that after she died, he felt naturally he must, you know,

535
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: he's going to die soon too, kind of so he

536
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: became very preoccupied with his legacy, even though he's only forty.

537
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: When she passed away, like before he even arranged her funeral,

538
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: he was writing letters about bequeathing this museum, the Percy

539
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: Grainger Museum, and he started gathering together like a truly

540
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: overwhelming amount of stuff for it. He was a very

541
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: avid collector. He kept everything and he gave He had

542
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: like some forty thousand piece is of correspondence, music, manuscripts, photos, furniture,

543
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: objects like the instruments of his own design or like

544
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: a pucket watch that a famous composer gave him, and

545
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and creepily also the contents of Rosa's

546
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: purse the day she died and a lock of her hair. Weird,

547
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: and they're all displayed in a case with like it's

548
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: all spread out so you can see her two pairs

549
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: of spectacles and her pair of gloves and stuff is bizarre,

550
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: very strange. And he is the gym shorts I wore

551
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: a red rocks Yeah, I mean yeah, he probably wouldn't weird.

552
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: He probably does have that well. He contacted the University

553
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: of Melbourne about giving him some land to build his

554
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: museum on because he felt that it should be at

555
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: his birthplace sure, even though he did not live there. Right.

556
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: The university at the time was broke, so they were

557
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: totally all about this idea of having a museum for

558
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: a famous composer on their campus. This would attract visitors

559
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: to come in it would be at no cost to themselves.

560
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: So they agreed, and the Purse Granger Museum opened in

561
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, although not to the general public at first.

562
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: It was only open to scholars, and Percy was fine

563
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, I'm sure he thought scholars were

564
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: better than regular people. Anyway, they should be studying me. Yes,

565
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: he said, he didn't care if it didn't open to

566
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: the public for a hundred years. He was feeling like

567
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: a failure despite all his success, and he wrote to

568
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: a friend that quote, all my compositional life, I have

569
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: been a leader without follow us, which is also something

570
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: that megalomaniacal racists tend to say. Well, you're a very

571
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: weird guy. How many people could follow up the kangaroo

572
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: pouch free music machine. I'm a natural leader. I'm better

573
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: than everybody else. Why aren't people lining up to listen

574
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: to everything I say? In October of nineteen fifty three,

575
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Percy was operated on for abdominal cancer and this would

576
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: eventually kill him, so, knowing his time was short, he

577
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: made out a will stating that he wanted his flesh

578
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: removed from his skeleton and cremated to be buried next

579
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: to his mother's ashes, and that his skeleton would then

580
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: be displayed at the Percy Green Drum Museum. Oh my god,

581
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Now this wish was not carried out. Oh, either because

582
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: no one could figure out how to burn his flesh

583
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: off while also preserving a skeleton. Or maybe it's just

584
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: because it's kind of an icky thing to ask. So

585
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: it's easy. You just gotta get one big potato peela,

586
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: don't He's like, flay the meat from my bone. I mean,

587
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: like Jesus, everyone's doing that. Everyone at the mortuary busts

588
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: out that will and it's like, uh, can we just

589
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: pretend we didn't read that part. Yeah, we're just gonna

590
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: burn it. And this is smudgeoi smudge, I can't read

591
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: what it says. He. I guess it's if someone writes

592
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: a really weird thing in their will, you don't have

593
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: to do it. Maybe you don't have to do it.

594
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: I guess you don't have to do any of it. Right. Oh,

595
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: it's given me ideas to write some crazy shit. Oh fuck,

596
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with it. Excuse me? What makes you think?

597
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: And I won't be dealing with yours. I do think that.

598
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: But you know, if anyone's dealing with yours probably gonna

599
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: be me. You're so you're saying you're gonna outlive me.

600
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we should both plan to outlive

601
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: the others. I think we need to make any plans,

602
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: because we're gonna die hand in hand. At one hundred

603
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: and seventeen years old, happily watching the one hundred and

604
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: fifth season of The Lost reboot, right after the series finale,

605
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: which I directed. Oh wow, good job, that's the that's

606
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: the end. I look forward to that, huh in our

607
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: enormous Parisian mansion right obviously, because they won't let us

608
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: into Australia anymore. Your accents somewhere France is like, oh no,

609
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: you're not coming here. We've also heard yours. You're covered

610
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: in barnacles. No matter which country Scotland will take us,

611
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: will they? Well, all right, So anyway, again, is really

612
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: worried about his death, so he makes out this creepy will,

613
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: and then in nineteen fifty six, he deposited a package

614
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: at a bank marked quote private matters do not open

615
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: until ten years after my death, tantalizing. On February twentieth,

616
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, Percy Grainger died in White Plains at

617
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: the age of seventy eight. Ella outlived him by eighteen years,

618
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: going on to marry a much younger man when she

619
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: was eighty three and dying in nineteen seventy nine. But

620
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: the story of Percy Grainger is barely even told yet

621
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: because there's still that little private matters package to deal with.

622
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: And in nineteen seventy one, the trustees of the Percy

623
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Granger Museum, scholars and archivists all gathered around to see

624
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: what this incredibly talented and incredibly weird musician had left

625
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: as his final calling card. What could be inside, maybe

626
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: never before seeing compositions of folk songs that he'd collected,

627
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: or poetry that he'd set to music. Maybe letters to

628
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: and from some of the incredible musicians and composers that

629
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: he'd been friends with in life. You know, maybe some

630
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: sort of manifesto about the best way to breed humanity

631
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: into a bright, tall, blond future. Who knows either way.

632
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: We like to imagine a real sense of excitement in

633
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: anticipation as they cut through the tape and carefully removed

634
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: the lid of the box to find an extensive collection

635
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: of pornography, some bloodstained clothing and around eighty three whips,

636
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: some of them fashioned from conductor's batons. Oh, so we're

637
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: gonna dig a little deeper into that box and explain

638
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: everything we promise right after this break. Welcome back to

639
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Percy's sex box, everybody. I mean, what a time capsule,

640
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: you know. So, Yeah, Percy's Private Matters Box had been

641
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: even more private than the trustees could have ever expected,

642
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: because yeah, it was all about his sex life. They're

643
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: probably like, jeez, I WI should have been the manifesto,

644
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: I know, right, of all things I want to read now,

645
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: Percy had been heavily into bondage and whipping during sex,

646
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: which is you know what we'd now call BDSM, which

647
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: stands for bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, sadism and masochism.

648
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: So we kind of have the b's and d's and

649
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: s's doing this an overlap. YEAHSM, but that's two. That's

650
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: not very sexy, not really. I feel a nice short

651
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: B DSM boom. Are you into b D D D

652
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: SCSM like a fell asleep halfway through? I don't know

653
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: acronym now. At the time, Siegmund Freud had only recently

654
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: coined the term sado masochism to describe this this sexual urge,

655
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: and the Percy himself referred to it as his quote

656
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: cruel joy and quote evil sex feeling. Oh. Now, he

657
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: apparently had been experimenting with flagellation and other like bondage

658
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: practices by the time he was sixteen. And then he

659
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: visited Amsterdam when he was eighteen, and he was introduced

660
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: to the underworld of BDSM through seeing some books of

661
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: photos of women being lashed. So maybe realize, oh, I'm

662
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: not the only one you know out here that likes

663
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: this kind of thing, right, And according to Stephanie Slake's

664
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: article Fifty Shades of Percy Grainger, he also read violent

665
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: literature that caused him to quote shake with delight. Now

666
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: he clearly struggled with himself. Stephanie Slake writes that he

667
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: punished himself for what he saw as his evil desires

668
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: by standing naked in the snow, carrying heavy weights on

669
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: his back and burning himself on the stove. But because

670
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to physically punish someone who gets

671
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: off on physical punishment, he also loved it. He wrote,

672
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: quote did my cruel joy, which shows itself both in

673
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: wishing to give pain and take it arise from the

674
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: whippings my mother gave me from the earliest childhood up

675
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: to fourteen or fifteen. Maybe it did, And if this

676
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: is the case, I must feel doubly thankful to her

677
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: for having given me my life's greatest boon thing. Not

678
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: only was mother the most important person in my life

679
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: and I owe everything to her, but I'm so glad

680
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: she gave me this kink. I mean, right, I mean sure,

681
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: I guess you could be grateful for wherever you got

682
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: your kink, but just a weird relationship. It's a really

683
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: interesting quote though, because of course Sigmund Freud very much

684
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: about oh, we all have incestuous desires for our parents

685
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: opposite sex parents, so he must have read some of

686
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: that and was like, you know, trying to understand himself

687
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: in the psychological context of the day, right right, which,

688
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: of course, we don't really go for it anymore, especially

689
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to BDSM. Most people are like, it's fine, Actually,

690
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: you can really enjoy it and it's no problem. Was

691
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: a trusting, loving thing to do, Yeah, I have. This

692
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: show has brought me into lurking on the BDSM subreddit

693
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: in places like that, you really learn a lot. And

694
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: it's amazing how many conversations that people are like, yeah,

695
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: I was spanked and hit with switches and stuff when

696
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: I grew up, and now I love it, and other

697
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: people are like, no one ever did anything like that

698
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: to me, and I love it too, So you know,

699
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: I can't really say it's either way. I remember hearing

700
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: a story about someone getting really into nice play, which yeah,

701
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: it's not for me, but you know, they were like, oh,

702
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: I got tied up and then they run a knife

703
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: on your back and it, you know, sometimes draw a

704
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: little blood. And she was like, I had never done

705
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: anything like this before, but it made her cry with

706
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: happiness because she just felt so safe. Like she's like,

707
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm letting someone do this and I'm

708
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: not worried. Yeah, So it was like just that release

709
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: of like feeling so comfortable with somebody. It must be

710
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: is like partly what makes it so exciting and sexy. Yeah,

711
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: it must be similar to like a feeling you get

712
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: like bungee jumping or something where you like, I'm on

713
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: the I'm standing right here in front of something dangerous,

714
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm going to be fine. Yeah, I know

715
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty exciting. I guess what makes sense

716
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: why I wouldn't like it. I don't even like a

717
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: roller coaster. No, I don't trust none, y'all nous, And

718
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: in that category, I only like roller coasters because for

719
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: some reason, I'm like, I feel safe or strapped to

720
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: seven thousand pounds of steel. But I do jump it

721
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: out of an airplane. Sorry, I neither for me. I'll

722
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: stay on the ground and watch and wave now John Bird,

723
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Granger's main biographer. He says that Ella did not know

724
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: anything about this kink of Percy's before they got married,

725
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: but there's a letter dated four months before their wedding

726
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: where Percy wrote to Ella quote, as far as my

727
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: taste goes, blows are most thrilling on breasts, bottom in

728
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: a thighs sex pots. I shall thoroughly, thoroughly understand if

729
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: you cannot in any way see your way to follow

730
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: up this hot wish of mine. Wow. Actually that's a

731
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: very good way to approach it. It is, you know,

732
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: to say this is something I'm into. But of course

733
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: I understand if you can't get into it right, which

734
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: is I mean, the only way to do b DSM

735
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I have to say, if you're not

736
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: into it, then it's not fun for me either. You

737
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: can't force a kink on someone, nor can you really

738
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: force them to give it up, right any I mean,

739
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: like we were just saying, it's it's about the safety

740
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: and trust. You can't force a feeling of safety. Not possible. Yeah,

741
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: but how funny that you have to like write like

742
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: he's like, well, we're not together, but I want you

743
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: to know what you're in for, So what do you like?

744
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: What do I like? I don't know. That's just funny

745
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: to me. I haven't trying to write like, Okay, this

746
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: is what I'm into in bed you know before you

747
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: get here. But this the contents of the Private Matters package,

748
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: which again it included pieces of bloody clothing his many

749
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: many whips. It also included nude photos of both Ella

750
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: and Percy tied up in various positions with visible whit

751
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: marks on their back, and he even included some confessions

752
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: and a letter marked quote read this, if Ella Granger

753
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: or Percy Granger are found dead covered with whit marks,

754
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: I love it. I don't want anyone to misunderstand what

755
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: happened here. Yeah, He's like, if we're found dead, don't

756
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: read this. But if we're covered in whit marks and

757
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: found dead, that's when you read this. What does it say?

758
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: He wrote, quote, I am a sadist and a flagelent.

759
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: My highest sexual delight is to whip a beloved woman's

760
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: body to a lesser degree. I enjoy being whipped myself,

761
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: and before marriage, used to whip myself every few weeks. Wow,

762
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: he's a switch. Yeah, he's a switch totally. And so

763
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: she must have Ella must have seen her way to

764
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: follow up his hot wish after all, because she's definitely

765
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: in these photos. I mean she's probably like, holy shit,

766
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I've been living in the stuff, yes, society in the world.

767
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I could cut loose like this. Yeah yeah,

768
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean she's like, I'll give it a whirl, and

769
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: then she got into it. Yeah. Now, my only complaint

770
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: right here is that he's like, opened this package of

771
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: nudy photos of me and my wife ten years after

772
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: my death. Ella's still alive, by the way, and people

773
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: are looking at these nudy photos of her in this museum. Yeah,

774
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: she didn't have a say on that, So I find

775
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: that a little weird. But I guess she never complained,

776
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: so maybe he asked her I had a time, like

777
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: you careful put these pitches in, and she's like, not

778
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: that one. I don't know, that's my bad side. She's like,

779
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: I see that weird thing that my butt's doing in

780
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: this one. Can't we do? Let me pick a few

781
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: out for you, few out that are like I can

782
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: stand beside. Now. Obviously this kind of thing is not

783
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: this shocking right now. Just whether you get the letter

784
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: that I tell you open ten years after my death. Yeah, yeah,

785
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: it's a post fifty shades of gray world. We all

786
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: know what whippings are and things like that. It's such

787
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: a nothing thing now, right. But at the time this

788
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: was considered like a serious sexual perversion. They thought of

789
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: it as a sign of a violent and sick individual.

790
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: So that's also how Percy himself learned to contextualize it.

791
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: He thought of these urges as childlike. He wrote, quote

792
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: the core of me, my inner self, My senses have

793
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: stayed like those of a child. A child at nausey

794
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: is naughty and looks to be punished for it. But

795
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: he also thought the world would eventually catch up to him,

796
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: just like he thought that it would catch up to

797
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: his kind of music that was sort of ahead of

798
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: its time. Part of his reasoning for waiting ten years

799
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: just to reveal all this sexual stuff about himself was

800
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: that he hoped by then people would be more accepting.

801
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: M probably should have waited a little ten years, right,

802
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: more than ten years in the year twenty fifty seven. Openness,

803
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: open this up and see what you think. Let's say

804
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: twenty eight five, just in case, you know what, a

805
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: hundred years from now, three hundred let's say three hundred

806
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: years from now, you can find out that all I

807
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: like to ship meself? Oh wow, whatever, he has a

808
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: whole other box. Yeah, easier into this over the centuries.

809
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: What you thought was that you knew everything, but you don't.

810
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: Why did you think I'm made my clothes out of towels?

811
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: So that's all well and good. He thought the world

812
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: would be cool in nineteen seventy one or whatever. But

813
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: why include it at all in a museum that's austin

814
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: sensibly dedicated to music and like Australian composition, Like, what

815
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: does that have to do with anything? And it's because

816
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: Percy felt that his sex life and his music were

817
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: intrinsically linked, like his sexual urges and his creativity came

818
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: from the same place. He wrote in nineteen forty eight quote,

819
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: I cannot give a true picture of my tone art

820
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: and of my art life if I do not tell

821
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: of the cruel joy that is one of the mainstairs

822
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: of my being. Fierceness is in the keynote to my music.

823
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: The object of my music is not to entertain, but

824
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: to agonize. Oh it's supposed to sound like exactly. I mean,

825
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: it's a malfunctioning air raised Byron So. I guess that's true.

826
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, in his mind, the museum about himself would

827
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: be both useless and false if he did not include

828
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: this key piece of information about Okay, okay, So my

829
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: music is like whipping you. Yeah, I love it, and

830
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: you might like it. I don't I want to leave

831
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: some marks on my audience, right, yeah, right, yeah, I

832
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: guess so. And he really was very concerned about this.

833
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: He wrote to a friend and fellow composer, Cyril Scott

834
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty six that quote, one of the greatest

835
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: and most continual worries is that I might die without

836
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: the full evilness of my sex feelings being known. To

837
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: the world or recorded, which says to me that he

838
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: was also a little bit of an exhibitionist. Right like death,

839
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: he was getting off on people on knowing that people

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Speaker 1: were going to know about this one day. I think

841
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: he might be right about that makes sense. I mean,

842
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: even though he wasn't alive to enjoy it. Yeah, maybe

843
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: it was enough. Maybe he was a little scared of

844
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: actually having to deal with people finding out about it,

845
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: but he still was kind of, you know, titillated by

846
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: the idea that oh, it's in the envelope now, oh,

847
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: any day someone might just open that They're going to

848
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: look at my naked body enjoy, you know. Stephanie yes

849
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: Lake says that the inclusion of what's called the Lust

850
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: branch of the museum has helped it totally surpass its

851
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: original intention, Like it was supposed to be a physical

852
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: homage to Percy Granger and shed light on composition in Australia.

853
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: But in twenty seventeen, the University of Melbourne incorporated his

854
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: stuff into a case study for a history of sexualities.

855
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: Another time, fine arts students visited to create original sketches,

856
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: and postgrad students in bioethics and public health use the

857
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: contents of the lust branch of the museum to analyze

858
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: the concepts of stigma and autonomy. Really a lot more

859
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: to study here than just music and whips. That is

860
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: very interesting and smart, I feel, if you try to

861
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: put it to different uses. Yeah. Yeah, Percy Aldridge Granger

862
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: was a complicated man. No, okay, he's a freak in

863
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: the street. Yeah, he's a big fat racist. It's a

864
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: folk music enthusiasts, he's a mama's boy. He's a virtuoso musician,

865
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: an avant garde thinker, and a wild composer, and he

866
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: never quite achieved his aims. His greatest contribution to music

867
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: was not his wild, weird thirty pianos compositions, but rather

868
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: kickstarting a renewed interest in folk music scholarship, okay, and

869
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: of course preserving the folk music of several cultures. And

870
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: his museum turned into a shrine to sexuality rather than

871
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: to his musical genius, and more to his eccentricity also

872
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: than to his musical genius. So I mean, maybe, in

873
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: being so sure that he needed to preserve his legacy

874
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: for the future, he was very narcissistic and self satisfied,

875
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: and he definitely was, obviously, but there is something to

876
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: be said about being open with your sex life in

877
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: a way that frees others. As Percy himself wrote in

878
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty quote, when we successfully follow and realize our lusts,

879
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: we are lords. Indeed, lords with mummies, lords with mummies, mummies, bombies.

880
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: We were talking about this earlier because we watched a

881
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: trailer for that movie with Toni Collette and Monica Bellucci,

882
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, Mama, Mafia, Mafia, Mama, Mafia mom.

883
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, m yeah, Tony Collette, Monica Bellucci,

884
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: those are my And I was like, wait a minute,

885
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: Padre Pascal and Oscar Isaac, these are the Hollywood daddies.

886
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. But women, Yeah, but women don't really

887
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: get what's the equivalent there. I mean, there's like cougar

888
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: and stuff, but like what is Kate Blanchett and cougar

889
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: is a different vibe. That's what it feels like. You're

890
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: on the prowl, you're looking for. Daddies are not on

891
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: the prowl. They're just like they're here to look hot

892
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: and be in and you know when they say sit,

893
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: you sit. Yeah. So and Monica Bellucci and Toni Collette,

894
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: I would I would immediately sit for if they told

895
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: me too. So, what is mommy? Sounds like, I guess,

896
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: not sexy? Yeah, well, I mean, but that's the old trick, right.

897
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: It's like daddy to some sound sexy and to others

898
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: sounds like my father, you know, and that's not people

899
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: want to get into. I don't know, I guess, yeah,

900
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: find us the mom mommy equivalent of zaddy or daddy.

901
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: What do I say besides Tony Collett and Monica Bellucci

902
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: are my mommy's because that even saying it, I'm like,

903
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: that's not what I mean. That's not what you mean.

904
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: I hear the words and it's not what I'm trying

905
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: to say. And I mentioned mother because there's, like I guess, specifically,

906
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: a lot of gay men I hear say, oh, she's

907
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: so mother, yeah, like Lady Gaga or something mother monster, right,

908
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: Florence Pugh out too as well, she's so mother. But

909
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they mean either. It's not

910
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: a sexy thing. It's like, oh, that's like, I don't know,

911
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: like a safe person, and she's giving me life like

912
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: a mother. And if you make it sexual, it's weird,

913
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: like Percy grangernds like mother told me I need it

914
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: to bend over and pick out my toys. You know

915
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: you're like, who that's not comfortable? All right, Well, come through, listeners.

916
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: We need to know what the word is here. Tell

917
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: us what it is. I'm going to figure out if

918
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: there might not be one, in which case give us

919
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: jump jump on a speculation station here and trying to

920
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: come up with something. Make up. Let's make one up. Yeah,

921
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: think think Kate Blanchett, Thank, Tony Collette, think Monica Blucci,

922
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: think think Halle Berry. I always am um even uh

923
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: oh Michelle Yos stepped up into that roomy, Yeah, she's

924
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: up there. All women who if they if this is

925
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: this is the only context I have? They if they

926
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: said sit down, I happily would I would do it

927
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: right away. Well hey, thanks again to Sarah has Asara

928
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: on Instagram. That's a great suggestion. It was really fun

929
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: to learn about Percy and his weirdness. And here was

930
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: his music is. I've enjoyed listening to it, even though

931
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: he sucks in a lot of ways, but it was

932
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: really cool to be able to explore b DSM in

933
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, I don't think we really have since

934
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: we talked about Wonder Woman. God, yeah, I guess not.

935
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we really have gotten there said, it's

936
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: just not that ridiculous these days. I know, it's just like,

937
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: oh ho hum, you'd like to be tied up? Okay, No,

938
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Speaker 1: we hope that you guys also enjoyed this episode. Um,

939
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,160
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941
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944
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946
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947
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948
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