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Speaker 2: This week on Prime Cuts, John Middlecoff on the disaster

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Speaker 2: in Dallas and all things NFL. Nick Right, a fast

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Speaker 2: paced hour and my top takes of the week. What

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Speaker 2: an s show was that by Philadelphia. So I went

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Speaker 2: three and two on my playoff picks. But I thought Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was one of the games. I thought,

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Speaker 2: you know, they'll win. There's not much there with Tampa

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Speaker 2: this thing. If Tampa Bay could catch in the first half,

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Speaker 2: the game would have been over started the second quarter.

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia was not even competitive. And you know I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about this is that we all know that even

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Speaker 2: competent NFL coaches. Dan Quinn for Atlanta was a competent coach,

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Speaker 2: not great, but competent. He was elevated significantly by Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 2: That we know, and there have been a lot of

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Speaker 2: coaches through the years who have been helped by an assistant.

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Speaker 2: They reached their highest form of head coaching with a

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Speaker 2: really good assistant, but they don't necessarily fall off the table.

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Speaker 2: I mean Sean McVay, Shanahan, they just run through assistants

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Speaker 2: and coordinators. They're elite coaches. It doesn't affect him. And

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Speaker 2: then the B coaches Dan Quinn are clearly elevated by

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Speaker 2: an elite coordinator. But Nick Siriani's not an A or

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Speaker 2: a B. He's probably a C or a D. And

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Speaker 2: if you take Shane Steichen's play calling, not Shane Steiken

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Speaker 2: just being in the building, just his play calling away

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Speaker 2: from Nick Siriani, you have a coach that had the

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Speaker 2: most embarrassing opening press conference ever, who struggled in year

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Speaker 2: one when he called the plays, and here in his

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Speaker 2: final year the team got progressively worse. Like Brandon Stally

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Speaker 2: bad every week. Brandon Staley good job of climbing the

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Speaker 2: coaching ladder. He wasn't ready to be a head coach

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League, Nick sah I remember when

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Speaker 2: he first got the job. You know, I said, I

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Speaker 2: call people and I was talking to a GM tonight

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Speaker 2: about Jedfish going from Arizona to Washington, and I was

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Speaker 2: just asking some questions about recruiting and personnel and blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. But I usually do that. I'll call GMS,

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Speaker 2: text GMS and say, hey, what do you know? What

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Speaker 2: do you think? And on Sirianni, two of my executive

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Speaker 2: friends said, I don't think he's ready for the job.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's ready for the Philadelphia Eagles. It's

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Speaker 2: a high pressure, high leverage job. That's a tough job.

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Speaker 2: And so then he butchers the press conference, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh Jesus, google it. It's I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 2: Go look at Sean mcvay's opening press conference, Kyle Shanahan's,

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Speaker 2: go look at the young code, Demiko Ryans, I mean

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin's first press conference. Go look at Nick Sirianni's.

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Speaker 2: And so I had sources say he's not ready. The

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Speaker 2: opening press conference, his first year is ugly. Then he

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Speaker 2: relinquished his play calling, and you think, well, this guy

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Speaker 2: is something, this guy is something here, folks. The truth

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Speaker 2: eventually comes out, and I don't think my problem with

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Speaker 2: Brandon Staley is my same problem with Nick Sirianni. What

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Speaker 2: does Philadelphia do well? What are the Chargers do well?

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Speaker 2: You went from narrow losses to touchdown losses to embarrassing losses.

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Speaker 2: It just got worse over time. It's like having a

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Speaker 2: bad boss in any industry. The company gets worse really fast.

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Speaker 2: So I think you know, you could certainly argue Mike

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Speaker 2: McCarthy as Kellen Moore left upgraded the cowboy offense. You

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Speaker 2: could argue he's won twelve games, twelve games, twelve games,

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Speaker 2: best deack we've ever seen. You got to keep him.

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Speaker 2: You could certainly argue Mike Tomlin they lost today. He's

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomley. He's never had a losing season. Right, Those

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Speaker 2: are different conversations. But with Brandon Staley and Nick Sirianni,

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Speaker 2: this isn't going to get better. I mean, this doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see the hope.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: What I watched. And the Chargers. You have these young

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Speaker 2: coaches who probably had somebody on that resume. For the record,

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Speaker 2: the Eagles were going to hire Staley until the Chargers

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Speaker 2: did think about that. You know, he had probably somebody

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Speaker 2: on the resume made a call for him and maybe interviews. Well,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know where you go if you're Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Like again, look at the losses in the playoffs. Kevin

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Speaker 2: Stefanski lost, he was on his fourth quarterback. Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 2: lost warm Weather to on the road against Mahomes. Sean

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Speaker 2: McVay lost hell of a game, rebuilding year to begin with.

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Speaker 2: I can look at Mike McCarthy, I mean, the offense

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Speaker 2: It didn't look like he's read. He can't coach. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean Troy Aikman said on the broadcast very early

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Speaker 3: And he was right.

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Speaker 2: The coaching disparities in these playoffs, Man, I know it

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Speaker 2: sounds impulsive and overreactionary to say Sirianni was in the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. You know you got to move on. You

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Speaker 2: tell me his theatrics on the sidelines, the regression of

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. I mean Jalen Hurts, justin Herbert. We know

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Speaker 2: they're talented, we've seen it wrong coach. We know the

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks the most valuable player in the league and the

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Speaker 2: most valuable element to a franchise. But if you don't

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Speaker 2: think coaching can puncture quarterback momentum, I give you the

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Speaker 2: Chargers and the Eagles. So let me get this straight

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Speaker 2: on Tua. He's small, doesn't have a great arm up

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Speaker 2: the sideline, not athletic, has some injuries, and now can

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Speaker 2: only play in ideal conditions. So he has to have

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Speaker 2: home games throughout the playoffs to be formidable. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're going to get rid of him, but

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Speaker 2: understand what he is. I mean, his record in December

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Speaker 2: October is good, and that's okay. You know, he is

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Speaker 2: a quarterback that's more than capable. I mean, he made

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Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl over Josh Allen. Now, I think the

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl's nonsense. I think awards, Oscars, Emmys. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of it's nonsense. Plaques don't make the player.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows that. But you know, I mean I think

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Speaker 2: you look it too, and it's like, what one skill

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Speaker 2: does he have over Josh Allen? Really, So you just

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Speaker 2: have to know going forward there's limitations to what he

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Speaker 2: think Miami was when I said they were all season.

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Speaker 2: They're fun. I like watching them, I like their coach,

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Speaker 2: I like Tyreek Hill. Two is fine. They're a convertible

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Speaker 2: sports car. They're just not built for December and January.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're just not built for this type of weather.

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Speaker 2: So quarterbacks, none of them love playing in this weather.

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Speaker 2: Brady liked cold weather because he said when it was slippery,

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Speaker 2: defensive lineman couldn't get a pass rush. Most quarterbacks don't

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Speaker 2: So I think Two is just a quarterback that when

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Speaker 2: There's nothing you're really missing there. Big arm, sideline, seize

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Speaker 2: can move a little. There's just nothing you don't like.

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Speaker 2: And with two there's not a lot I love. He

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Speaker 2: can put up some good numbers. With a world class

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Speaker 2: But things have to be right.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting when I was watching to teams will tell

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Speaker 2: and so Mike McDaniel's play calling was super conservative in

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Speaker 2: the second half. Well, that's telling you he doesn't trust him.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you can tell when you watch Mahomes

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Speaker 2: and CJ. Stroud, their coaches trust them. They trust them cognitively,

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Speaker 2: crisis situations, high leverage situations. I'm watching Mike McDaniel's play calling.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to in a throw. He didn't want

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Speaker 2: that's a tell in poker, that's a tell. I thought

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Speaker 2: be a very very close game. I had the Rams

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Speaker 2: winning by I think one really elevated quarterback play. First

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Speaker 2: of all, Matt Stafford's and Puka Nakua for a rookie

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Speaker 2: This is a rebuilding year for Sean mcvah and the

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Speaker 2: What an athlete that guy is. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 2: the difference in the game was pretty simple. The Lions

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Speaker 2: And that's the difference in the game. I thought Detroit,

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Speaker 2: you know, Rams pretty poor tackling first half, and you know,

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Speaker 2: adjustments at half, which Sean McVay is prone to do,

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Speaker 2: and they slowed Golf down. Goff was just too comfortable

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Speaker 2: seen Jared Goff comfortable, Jared Goff outdual Patrick mahone on

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Speaker 2: but if you pressure him, he's not the same quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So he didn't face any pressure in the first half.

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Speaker 2: Long seventy five yard drive after seventy five yard drive

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Speaker 2: he got some pressure on him. He was less effective

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Speaker 2: and Stafford put on a clinic. I mean it was

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Speaker 2: Everything worked, It was beautiful to watch. I just thought,

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Speaker 2: go look at this weekend, here's what we saw this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Stroud elevated quarterback play, Stafford golf elevated quarterback play. Mahomes

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Speaker 2: elevated quarterback play in terrible weather. That's the sport. Tua

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Speaker 2: disappointing Flacco, too many picks. I mean, Stafford played like

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Speaker 2: a winning quarterback. But you know, the Lions got the

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Speaker 2: The thing about all these games is the league is

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Speaker 2: different in the postseason, right, It's more intense. And players

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Speaker 2: it's much more intense than the playoffs. But it really

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Speaker 2: playoff game, as you're going to get two culture setters

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Speaker 2: as head head coaches, and Stafford and Golf are, especially

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Speaker 2: when they have time, are really really elite throwers of

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Speaker 2: and I'm very happy. My wife's from Michigan, so I'm

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Speaker 2: very happy for Detroit. I think the architect of this

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Speaker 2: Lion's renaissance is not Dan Campbell always been effective, and

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Speaker 2: I think they've had back to back to back great drafts.

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Speaker 2: Remember Dan Campbell's first year half go back and look

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you size up a player and

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Speaker 2: a different conversation. Well, to get absolutely dominated by green

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Speaker 2: So I mean, let's just talk about it. Does Jerry

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Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good job because I think

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Speaker 1: I mean Dak was already pretty good when.

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Speaker 1: Right, Dak had had success before Mike McCarthy, and one

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Speaker 2: But again, I say, if Jerry believes Dak is it,

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Speaker 2: Again, I have been on this for years. Dak is

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with a little pressure. What I'm not fine

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Speaker 2: people aren't as good as you think. Dak's just not

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Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur was calling out Jordan Love in October press conferences,

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Speaker 2: He's cheaper than Aaron Rodgers. He's now more athletic than

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Speaker 1: Now, well, I think that you become a legend in

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Speaker 1: like Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson. We have stars running our

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Speaker 1: operation because I think it was okay to question it

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Speaker 1: early in the season, not because they made the wrong

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Speaker 1: move getting rid of Aaron. It's like, well, it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to replace that. It was rock and by the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, the guy's a flat out superstar

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Speaker 1: and soo's the unit around him. So to me, it's

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Speaker 1: Gudikins and Lafour Like, this is why your argument on

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Speaker 1: hiring offensive coaches when you get the right one. Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan has owned the Cowboys the last two years.

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Speaker 3: In the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Why because he has He's comfortable playing against dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafour was also on that staff in Atlanta with Kyle.

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Speaker 1: He was the quarterback coach you saw today. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable going up against that defense and that coordinator and

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Speaker 1: honestly embarrassed and worse than Kyle ever did the last

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Speaker 1: two years.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nick, Right, we try to bring him on

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Speaker 2: as often as we can. So I'm gonna start with

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Speaker 2: something that I think you'll like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and that's a great place to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why opposed to starting with something that

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Speaker 2: really pisses you off.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, let's start off on a good foot

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Speaker 3: By the way, I've decided this podcast. I'm drinking wine.

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Speaker 3: I've decided to go classy. I figure you're going something

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Speaker 3: this hard liquor. No, by the end, you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: slurre and I'm going wine.

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Speaker 2: And diet coke.

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Speaker 3: So oh, I'm drinking alone. Oh that was now part

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Speaker 3: of the deal. Now you're really gonna have the upper

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Speaker 3: hand by the end of this thing. But go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So I've kind of stayed out of all Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: political opinions and vaccine. I can disagree with stuff, but

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Speaker 2: I also believe Aaron has a right to an opinion.

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Speaker 2: I can disagree a dissenting opinion. I don't really care.

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Speaker 2: But I think there is a personality trait a couple

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Speaker 2: of them with Aaron that are fairly obvious. Number One,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't like authority. He struggled with his parents, his brother,

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Speaker 2: Green Bay's front office. He pushes back on the media,

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Speaker 2: the government. That's okay. I mean when I was a

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Speaker 2: kid growing up, that was known as the liberal, a

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Speaker 2: hippie in the sixties, right, So I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 2: The other one is Aaron is absolutely sure he's the

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Speaker 2: smartest guy in the room. And it comes across in

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Speaker 2: every interview. Think about this. Forget all the government vaccine stuff,

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Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy conspiracy theories. Look his football decisions. He chose

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Speaker 2: an offense a defensive coach, not a successful offensive coach,

475
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Speaker 2: because he wanted the Jets. He liked the Jets. They

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Speaker 2: have one player, Garrett Wilson, that could start for the

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Speaker 2: Packers one. Green Bay has the friendliest offensive salary cap

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Speaker 2: for the next five years. They're not paying either tight end,

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Speaker 2: five receivers, the offensive line. All five start over the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Even Aaron Jones. To me, he's a bigger, stronger version

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Speaker 2: of Bresee Hall. So his football decisions stink that he

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Speaker 2: really really believed Jets is going to be a great fit.

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Speaker 2: They have one player. If Garrett Wilson twists his ankle,

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Speaker 2: they don't have a player that can start for the Packers.

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Speaker 2: When you watch green Bay beat Dallas, if you don't

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Speaker 2: believe it's a fluke and you believe it's players, that

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Speaker 2: game wasn't competitive. Green Bay is stacked with talent.

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Speaker 3: Well, so there's a lot of green Bay angles here

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Speaker 3: to go to. There's a fun remind me once we

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Speaker 3: to get on with the Rogers stuff to ask you

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Speaker 3: a Jordan Love question. Sure that I was asked today,

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Speaker 3: So all right, you sat on the front end. Don't

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Speaker 3: care about Aaron Rodgers. You know, political opinion stances, vaccine status.

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Speaker 3: I don't either, and he, in my opinion, uses that

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Speaker 3: as a shield, meaning any criticism of him. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you don't like me. He is using the fact that

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Speaker 3: some people criticized him about being unvaccinated. I think more

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Speaker 3: people criticized him about lying about it, and then any

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Speaker 3: negative attention he gets, he can be like, oh, that's

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Speaker 3: not because you're actually engaging with what I've done. You

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Speaker 3: hate me for this reason, which is just nonsense. Because

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's never been more popular. I don't think he

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Speaker 3: was vacated. Kirk Cousins is one of the most well

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Speaker 3: liked post quarterback series. Oh yeah quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 3: I know he's not vaccinated, so it's not about that,

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Speaker 3: but it is. This is someone who's you know in

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Speaker 3: your life or someone that you know a family member

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Speaker 3: who's like, yeah, nobody invites me around anymore because they

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Speaker 3: don't want to hear the truth. And it's like, no,

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Speaker 3: it's because you're an asshole. Like it. It's not our failing,

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Speaker 3: it's yours. So that stuff does irritate me. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to act like it doesn't, but as you cannot

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Speaker 3: in modern America not have people in your life that

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Speaker 3: you love, care about, and spend time with that have

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Speaker 3: different opinions on be it COVID, the upcoming election, a

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Speaker 3: lot of things like nobody is that in a bubble,

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Speaker 3: So we all know how to deal with people. We

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Speaker 3: disagree with some of the people we love and care

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Speaker 3: about the most. So that's not it. Now. You mentioned

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Speaker 3: the football thing, so I think that was eager. I

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Speaker 3: don't think it was purely I think the Jets are

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Speaker 3: better than the Packers. I think it was he probably

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Speaker 3: underrated what the Packers could be because they were mediocre

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Speaker 3: last year with him, and he doesn't have the self

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Speaker 3: awareness to be like, well, I was mediocre last year,

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Speaker 3: like you weren't getting a plus Aaron Rodgers last year.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, there was a great moment when he

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Speaker 3: was on McAfee last season when I think it was

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Speaker 3: after the first Lions game or something, when the Packers

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Speaker 3: were before they had started winning those games, where he

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Speaker 3: just kind of says, out of nowhere, he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you know, my coach said that was my highest

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Speaker 3: graded game of the year and a loss. And it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this guy just can't acknowledge that he might be part

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Speaker 3: of their team struggling. So I think that's the first

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Speaker 3: part of it. And the second part of it is

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Speaker 3: I think he thought, Okay, well, it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 3: the Jets have, Once they have me, they'll be awesome.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's one thing for Aaron to be that.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, that might have been true a

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Speaker 3: decade ago, it's not true at thirty nine in the AFC,

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Speaker 3: in that comp you know what I mean, that division.

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Speaker 3: But uh, it's another thing for the Jets a year

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Speaker 3: into the experience. Now they are not getting the Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers they thought they were getting, whatever they thought they were,

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Speaker 3: They're getting a player a year older, often Achilles, a

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Speaker 3: year more removed from football from good football. I mean

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00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: that game Jordan Love played was the best quarterbacks best

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Speaker 3: quarterback play the Packers have gotten a playoff game in

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Speaker 3: seven years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look it up.

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Speaker 3: That was the and now he played phenomenally, So that

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Speaker 3: would that's a high bar. So I think it is

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Speaker 3: ego and being delusional. Like, I know this probably makes

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Speaker 3: you a little uncomfortable because I often use you when

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to you in analogies. But I think you know,

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Speaker 3: you made a decision in your career almost a decade

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Speaker 3: ago to go from a more stable place to not

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Speaker 3: quite a startup whatever it is. I would I would

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Speaker 3: argue that would be maybe a poor decision for seventy

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Speaker 3: year old Colin cowhard to make right to be like,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm you know, I can carry and

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Speaker 3: build this new thing Aaron seventy in football years. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: to think I can, you know, go Lebron the Cavs

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Speaker 3: the second time around. This for the Jets, No, you can't.

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Speaker 3: And so I just, yeah, I think that I think

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Speaker 3: the Jets are. I looked around the league. Mike Vrabel

568
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Speaker 3: been to an AFC title game, gott in the one

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Speaker 3: seed with Tennessee. Couple down years, not good enough. We

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Speaker 3: got to move on. Bill Belichick obviously won six super Bowls,

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Speaker 3: went to nine, also went to the playoffs with Mac

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Speaker 3: Jones two down years, not good enough. Got to move on.

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Speaker 3: The other coach that was just fired after two bad years.

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Speaker 3: I'll remember it was. It doesn't matter, but we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, all these coaches moving on, and then you

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Speaker 3: look at the Jets, it's like, well, our coach wins

577
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Speaker 3: thirty percent of his games, has two career wins against

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Speaker 3: the division, has been there three years. Good enough, let's

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Speaker 3: stay there. You look at these coaches where it wasn't

580
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Speaker 3: good enough, and then you look at Bob Salah who

581
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Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, let's run that back. And it's because

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Speaker 3: that's what Aaron wants. And so then you do have

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Speaker 3: to ask yourself the question, it is what Aaron wants

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Speaker 3: right now? The best chance at win winning or the

585
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Speaker 3: most power possible. Do I want the best coach I

586
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Speaker 3: can get? Or do I want a coach who knows

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Speaker 3: the reason he has the job is thanks to me

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Speaker 3: and therefore I run the whole operation. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always feel in sports and in our business it's wins.

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00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: Like in our business, I don't care about anything other

591
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Speaker 2: than In radio, my revenue is great right now, highest

592
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: ad rates have ever had, and in TV my ratings

593
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: are my highest. The volume were crushing, Like to me,

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Speaker 2: it's not about me, it's about the unit. If the

595
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: unit's good, that exerts pressure on everybody around you because

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to break up winning, right. If you're winning

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00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: and in your show, by the way, he's doing great,

598
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: nobody wants to screw that up, right, They want to

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Speaker 2: extend it. So to Aaron, it's it's it's really crazy.

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Speaker 2: Did he have the forethought with all these super young

601
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Speaker 2: players for Green Bay? He saw them, he saw Dobbs

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Speaker 2: in Christian Watson. He knew they were talented. Did he

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Speaker 2: not think, Jesus, if I hang around here for three years,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to pay him. These are tremendous players.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Aaron has to have some like.

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Speaker 3: In the easier conference and and and a lot of

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00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: a lot of factors there, and so I I don't

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Speaker 3: think that. I don't think he thought those guys were

609
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: that good because they didn't succeed last year and he can't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he has the self awareness to be like,

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Speaker 3: how much of that was on me? If you operate

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Speaker 3: from a place of I am always excellent, I am

613
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Speaker 3: always producing excellence, and the results aren't excellent, then I

614
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: think you're like, well, this place substance.

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Speaker 2: If Brady was in New England and they would have

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Speaker 2: had Dobbs, Christian Wattons Watson Jade.

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00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Tom wouldn't have left. Tom was too smart. Tom left.

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Speaker 2: I remember specifically on the sidelines during a New England

620
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Speaker 2: game when he yelled at the receivers just get open.

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Speaker 2: His problem was New England's last seven drafts with Belichick.

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Speaker 2: Two Pro bowlers, one's a punter. Yeah, Tom would have stayed.

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Speaker 3: He was frustrated.

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Speaker 2: I was told he was frustrated for three years before

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Speaker 2: he left. The idea And by the way, where did Shoes,

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Bruce Arians, where did Stafford, Juice McVeigh,

627
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup Andrew Whitworth. Aaron literally left this bevy of

628
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: super talented kids. Saw them knew by the way in

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Speaker 2: the in the following draft they were gonna go heavy

630
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: tight end, and it was all you had to do

631
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: was go to one mock draft. It was the best

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00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: tight end class when he was leaving. Like in Green Bay,

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00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: they drafted two I think, but in the second round

634
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Speaker 2: or third. So the takeaway is, did Aaron ever get

635
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Speaker 2: out of himself and go this is all about having

636
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: the right pieces. When Peyton mann in chose Denver, go

637
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: look at their pieces. They're a line their receiver, they're

638
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: tight end. It is remarkable that he didn't look at

639
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: all that Green Bay talent that was on display Sunday,

640
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: now some of it hadn't been drafted yet and go, God,

641
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: look how good they are. Now what are they going

642
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: to be in a year.

643
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: If you were advising Belichick of any of the jobs

644
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: open or jobs that could be open, where would you

645
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: tell him to go?

646
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: I would say, listen, Bill, you've shown an ability to

647
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: win rings with an elite quarterback and no ability to

648
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: win with an average quarterback. One job has a really

649
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: talented quarterback. The Chargers Jalen Hurts is good. Maybe a

650
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: bit overstated due to the Shiken, Shansdyke and Lincoln Riley connection.

651
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: That would be second, but there is no disputing Bill

652
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: has shown no proclivity, no ability to draft and develop

653
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: well or win without a quarterback. So there's no reason

654
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: to believe he can address that if you don't have it.

655
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: So the Church's why I wouldn't go to Atlanta. No,

656
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: that's why I think the Atlanta thing's crazy. Or people

657
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: have talked about Washington. Now I understand Washington is the

658
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: number two pick, but that player's got to get developed, like,

659
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: that's why. Now. The other thing is this that I

660
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: find interesting and people think it's unfair, but I don't

661
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: think it's unfair. And maybe Bill wouldn't do this. This

662
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 3: is really just a exercise, which is you look around

663
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: the league and I like it. Like I'm wondering what team,

664
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: what teams would fire their coach if Bill called him

665
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: and said, that's the job. I want to go to

666
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: your team. I know you have like so that you

667
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: know right now, technically Philly as a coach. I don't

668
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: know if they will much longer. I certainly if I

669
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: were Jeffrey Lori and I knew Belichick will take this job. Yeah,

670
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: I will fire Nick Sirianni, but that's almost too easy

671
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: because he's on the hot seat either way.

672
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, not as many as you think, because I

673
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: believe I have believed this for a long time. Less

674
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: than half of the owners want to win first, less

675
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: than half, it may be less than a third. What

676
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: they want is profits and control. The Spanos families had opportunities,

677
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: including this year, to seceede some control to Jim Harboys

678
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: the best candidate. Easily. It's not, I'm told in the

679
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: building unanimous. So you know, in the league, top ten quarterback,

680
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: elite coach, you get to conference championships, You've got one.

681
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: The other wants the job. So the only reason not

682
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: to choose that would be profits and control. Belichick will

683
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: force you and Harbaugh to have less control. And these

684
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: owners that is number one. Billionaires control people, their families,

685
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: their businesses, their employees. They don't like loss of controls.

686
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: Wall Street. Wall Street is not just about earnings. Wall

687
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: Street is about the unknown. It plummets on unknowns. Often

688
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: a company will come out and say, we are chopping

689
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: ten thousand jobs to stop those. Okay, they're gonna have

690
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: a tighter right, that's bad news. No, it's great news.

691
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: It's known. Owners do not relinquish power. There's only a

692
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 2: handful that would go all call Reinhower. Jerry won't. Jerry

693
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: had Jimmy and Bill.

694
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: He let him both run. So so I'm gonna this

695
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: is on your the on your TV show today, I

696
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: made up a fake trade. Essentially, I'm now doing the

697
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: coaching version of it, which is there's two AFC jobs

698
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: that came to mind that I think are intriguing. If

699
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's agent called up the owner of the Bengals

700
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: and said Bill, you know, would take that job if

701
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: it were offered to him. Would you, if you were

702
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: the owner of the Bengals, fire Zach Taylor to hire

703
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick?

704
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: No?

705
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: No, all right. Second one, Bill Belichick's agent calls up,

706
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: Shad Khan says, Bill Belichick would like to coach Trevor Lawrence.

707
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: Would you fire Doug Peterson to hire Bill Belichick. I'd

708
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: think about that one because I thought this year was weird.

709
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: Can't figure out why you get bad and it's not personnel.

710
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: I think I'd probably make the move there. It was

711
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: a weird year for that talented team. And listen, the

712
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: easy answer is Trevor got hurt. But you still shouldn't

713
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: go from eight and three to out of the playoffs

714
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: entirely that So I'm not like advocating Belichick go like,

715
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, that would be a good revenge for that

716
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: Eagle super Bowl. Like, hey, Dougie, guess what I'm sniping

717
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: your job? But yeah, if I were Bill, my job's

718
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: list would be I would go down. I would make

719
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: my own list of who are the best quarterbacks in

720
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 3: the NFL, and I'd be like, Okay, Mahomes won, Well,

721
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: that job's no, you know, they're not firing any that's

722
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: not available, and go down and then see obviously the

723
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: open one is justin Herbert, but it doesn't seem like

724
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. So then I would try to find

725
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: a spot where either. And I don't think it's a

726
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: weird thing because nobody thinks this is like unfair with players.

727
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: So like if you have a good NBA player who's

728
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: been a you know, you have no reason to trade

729
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 3: or whatever, and then a star is like, I want

730
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: to go to that team. Then that guy gets traded,

731
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: and nobody's like, oh, that's that's unfair. Maybe it's because

732
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: it's firing, but I wouldn't think it was outrageous for

733
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: a coach who had no reason to fire their their

734
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: own coach fire their coach because Bill Belichick became available

735
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: and they thought they were better. Like I think that

736
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: happens in life. It's like your job was safe, but

737
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: this super nova talent came into the world or into

738
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: our orbit, and so your job is no longer safe.

739
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: Listen, we know Jimmy Sexton controls college football fans have

740
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: the overwhelming number of fans have no idea. So I'll

741
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: give you an example. So Kaylin de Boor got hired

742
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: by from Washington.

743
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: Somehow knew Jedfish was going to get the job.

744
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, I knew Jedfish was getting Washington. In fact, I

745
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: got me. Yeah, yeah, I knew Saturday night. But to

746
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: protect Jed because it wasn't finalized and protect my source,

747
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: I couldn't report it. So I'd rather have Bruce Feldman

748
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: and those guys. I don't make my money on breaking

749
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: college football. Kaylin de Boor, I've known Jed for a while.

750
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to screw up his contract. And you know,

751
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: had he told Arizona okay got so Kaylen de Boor

752
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: I was told basically said, okay, Jimmy Sexton, I'll let

753
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: you be my agent, but I want the Bama job.

754
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: And Jimmy Sexton's like, I'll get in the top two.

755
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: And so he knew Kaylen de bor was going to

756
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: beat So Kaylen de Boor I knew on Wednesday was

757
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: going to be a top two candidate. He didn't guarantee

758
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: him the job, but in order to wrap him, he

759
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: was going to get hit. And Sark Alabama knew greg

760
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: byrn knew that Sark wasn't going to take the job.

761
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Sark loves, his wife loves. Often they weren't leaving. They

762
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: called Sark is almost a perfunctory professional thank you.

763
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: For what you've given us, Yeah, and get him a

764
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: raised in Texas. That Alabama job commentation was great for

765
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: a lot of people's economies. Everybody who's out here are

766
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: getting raises right right, right.

767
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: So it was one of these sort of we're gonna

768
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: call Sark, but it wasn't. He was never ever. They

769
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: never thought they were going to get Sark. So it

770
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: was a prime example of So to your point is

771
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: that this Jimmy Sexton is operating on multiple levels. He

772
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: is promising interviews and opportunities. He didn't say, Kaylen, you're

773
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: going to get the Bama job. He goes, I'm going

774
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: to get you in the running for it. And so

775
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: this idea that he was the fourth guide, no, no, no, no.

776
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: Caleb de Boor signed with Jimmy, I want to be

777
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: in the running for that. And so the idea that

778
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: agents don't do that. I've had an agent forever you have.

779
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: We're talking eighteen months out. So this kind of Belichick's

780
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: agent is calling and doing that.

781
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: Calling and seeing what jobs would come open if you

782
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: knew he wanted the job.

783
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Brady would hit the same Brady picked

784
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: his team. Bill probably has three teams he's interested in.

785
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, and by the way, I don't maybe listen,

786
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: maybe he'll go to Atlanta and it'll it'll be weird.

787
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: Maybe that'll happen. I thought it was really odd Atlanta

788
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: tweeting out We've just finished our interview with Bill Belichick. Yeah,

789
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: it just I don't know Bill Belichick, but that seems

790
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: like the type of thing that would make him not

791
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: want to coach your team.

792
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I almost wondered if Bill's agent asked for that.

793
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it. Oh for Hey, could you make

794
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: sure Bill wants it out there that people are interested?

795
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 3: Right? Sure? That makes more sense, Yeah, because if he did.

796
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: If he did, I would almost because what I thought

797
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: was that it was a stress test for the organization,

798
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: like I'll go meet with you guys because maybe I

799
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: am interested and I want to see if it leaks,

800
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: and you know what I mean. And then saw that

801
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 3: it was everywhere. What you're saying actually makes probably more sense.

802
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: Bill needs to be viewed as viable when you get

803
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: to be seventy Pete Carroll when he stepped on the

804
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: podium losing the Seattle job, he was like, my energy's great.

805
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: He was talking to every other GM in the league,

806
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: every other owner. Hey, it's not my energy. I'm going

807
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: on thousand. While he started talking really fast, he was

808
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: selling himself. Bill wants it to be known I'm interested

809
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: and teams are interested in me, and his agent wants

810
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: that out there.

811
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that that makes sense. So if you had

812
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: to bet right now, where would you say, and maybe

813
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 3: you don't want to say, where do you think he goes?

814
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: I think Philadelphia and Washington. He's got a big he's

815
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: got multiple homes in Nantucket. He's got a big spread.

816
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: So he wants to be a private jet flight there.

817
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: You know he doesn't. Bill's not going to go He's

818
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: gonna do Washington or Philadelphia. He not going west. It

819
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: just doesn't He doesn't have any connections there. And you know,

820
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: by the way, if he brings Josh McDaniel, Josh McDaniels Northeast,

821
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: he Josh has had no success out West, Vegas, Denver.

822
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: He's gonna come back east.

823
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: I think Philadelphia is the answer. Yeah, I think Philadelphia

824
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: is the answer. You stay in the Northeast, you stay

825
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: in a prime media market. You have a talented roster.

826
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: It's listen. I think the talent on the roster is

827
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: a little overrated, but what's not overrated is the d

828
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: line talent. So you know, Belichick can coach up the secondary,

829
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: he can create a secondary if there's anything out of

830
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 3: thin air. And even if Jalen is, you know, a

831
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: flawed quarterback, He's the best quarterback that Belichick's had in

832
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: a half decade. You know what I mean. I mean,

833
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: like you go from Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy to

834
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 3: jail and hurts. You feel like you're playing a different

835
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: fucking sport. So that there is real there's real value there.

836
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: The volume