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<v Speaker 1>recapping all the baseball If anyone leaves a sporting event

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<v Speaker 1>and miss is a great comeback, then that's on them,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the playoffs. But we do know some fans

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<v Speaker 1>have made mistakes before, and maybe some fans in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles yesterday might have left. Dodgers were down five two

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighth inning. They'd never come back when they

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<v Speaker 1>were trailing by three or more after seven innings in

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<v Speaker 1>their long COO season history, so what's la do? They

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<v Speaker 1>turned to Cody Bellinger, the former MVP who hit just

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<v Speaker 1>one sixty five on the season, but Bellinger, putting that

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<v Speaker 1>behind him, a three run homer tied the game. Mookie

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<v Speaker 1>Betts delivered the game winner and they win six to five.

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<v Speaker 1>They now trail Atlanta two one in the series. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that that they're down to one, but after

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<v Speaker 1>those wins, those kind of wins, those sometimes feel like

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<v Speaker 1>more than just one victory. A few more outs in

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<v Speaker 1>this series could have been basically over, But now Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles has momentum and they head into Game four. Each

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<v Speaker 1>game has been decided late by just one run for

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers and Braves fans. It's exhausting for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us. It's fun baseball, and I started to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>about Cody Bellinger. Cody Bellinger, you know, when you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>late into a game, has been great in the postseason

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<v Speaker 1>so far, and you know that's what you want. He

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<v Speaker 1>struggled but found a way to somehow be able to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a big hit. And you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a rough regular season for him. But the Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 1>they're ten to o against the Braves in their last

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<v Speaker 1>ten meetings at Dodger Stadium, twenty three and four against

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<v Speaker 1>the Braves and Dodger Stadium. That goes back to the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen National League Division Series. The Astros, meanwhile, they

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<v Speaker 1>tied their game at two two in the eighth inning,

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<v Speaker 1>then blew it open seven runs in the night a thinning,

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<v Speaker 1>beating the Red Sox and evening the American League Championship

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<v Speaker 1>Series at two games apiece. And once again the Astros

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<v Speaker 1>do it. They scored all their runs in the ninth

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<v Speaker 1>inning with two outs, matching the most runs in an

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<v Speaker 1>inning with two outs in postseason history. They're great with

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<v Speaker 1>two outs. They've scored thirty six two out runs this postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the most by any American League team. Prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series in baseball history. That clutched gene that

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<v Speaker 1>they still had. And you know, you can start to

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<v Speaker 1>look at some of the calls because in the postseason

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<v Speaker 1>we care about this, a strike here, a ball here,

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<v Speaker 1>a miss call here. And it just felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was bad for both teams last night in Fenway, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's going to be this cry for all

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<v Speaker 1>we need to have, you know, robotic umpires or do

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<v Speaker 1>what Tennis does where you have a strike zone and

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<v Speaker 1>you have a beep when it's in and you know

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<v Speaker 1>there's no beep when it's not. We're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I would just love for these umpires to have to

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<v Speaker 1>answer after a game, just to say, give us an

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<v Speaker 1>idea of what you're looking at, because if you're missing

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty pitches in a game, including a big

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<v Speaker 1>one in the ninth inning, then you know, that can

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<v Speaker 1>change a series. That can change the fate for players, managers, gms,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly the fans. And I don't think we're there yet

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<v Speaker 1>with the robotic umpire or you're gonna have a strike zone,

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<v Speaker 1>an automated strike zone, but I do think we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to it, because if you have the technology why not

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<v Speaker 1>use the technology. And I know you're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>the old school, which I'm supposed to be part of.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna go, oh, you gotta that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>flavor of the game where the umpire misses a call. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but then is it the flavor when he misses a

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<v Speaker 1>call at first base or at home plate or second base. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the flavor. Oh, that's part of the folklore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what makes the game so great. The interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>a strike zone really not for me. If I'm a pitcher,

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<v Speaker 1>do I go ah? It's part of the game. It's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the personality of it. He just missed that

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<v Speaker 1>call there, Nathan Vivaldi is probably not going. Man, that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the game. You know, I'm all right with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I never understood why umpires would give great pitchers more

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<v Speaker 1>latitude or longitude when it came to a strike zone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you're going to Greg Maddox, it's Greg Maddock,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta give him that, or Tom Glavin Like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a phantom foul that Michael Jordan would go

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<v Speaker 1>to the hoop and you knew somebody was gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>whistled for a foul, whether he found him or not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's Michael Jordan. Don't you give that to

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who aren't as good to help him out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But this is always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>that curiosity of I don't I just don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>baseball doesn't go this is how we call a strike,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is how we call a ball, not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I always give the high strike. You know, I never

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<v Speaker 1>give that eye strike. You know I'll give you on

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<v Speaker 1>the black, And I never understood that it shouldn't it

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<v Speaker 1>be Do we do that in any other sport where

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<v Speaker 1>you got an official, maybe a back judge in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL goes you know, i'd like to I like to

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<v Speaker 1>let you put your hands on the wide receiver, or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't let you put your hand on the wide receiver. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how you call a game. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>we've allowed Joe West and some of these other umpires

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<v Speaker 1>for decades to be able to have their own personality.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if baseball's headed in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were some pitches in the Red Sox Astros

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<v Speaker 1>game where I went, man, oh man, this guy's and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mention names. He was consistently bad, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was consistent for both teams, just bad, And

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<v Speaker 1>you go, how does baseball not and this is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be your elite umpires, this is a postseason, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a reward here, and you're going, I'm missing something here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know sometimes the anger that camera, that center

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<v Speaker 1>field camera is not really right, you know, behind second

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<v Speaker 1>base looking in it's off to the side a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is deceiving. But they do have stats, analytics

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that will tell you what is a missed call,

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<v Speaker 1>and miss call usually means it has to be six

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<v Speaker 1>inches outside of the strike zone. If you miss a call,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be kind of a blatant missed call,

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<v Speaker 1>not just something that's on the edge. But watching last

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<v Speaker 1>night yesterday, they see a different game than I do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it's great for baseball, not when

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<v Speaker 1>you're at this stage of the season and you had

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<v Speaker 1>that on display last night. Yes, Paulie, it was interesting though.

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox fans are very upset because you have all

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<v Speaker 1>these curveball they thought was a strike and the ending

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<v Speaker 1>would have been over to been tied to too. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's the ninth inning if that umpire was having a

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<v Speaker 1>tight strike zone side to side nine innings in, shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>the pitchers know this. Shouldn't they be discussing the dugout

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<v Speaker 1>and realize you may not get that pitch that you

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<v Speaker 1>you by the ninth inning, you would know what that

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<v Speaker 1>ump is doing. You're tracking every pitch. That's all the

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<v Speaker 1>pitching coaches do. They should know what they can get. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't one of those where you go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to give that to me. That was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those where that's strike. That's it, that's strike,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they show it from up above and then

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<v Speaker 1>you see it where it goes over the plate, because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you can throw a breaking ball and it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of comes around the plate and then where the catcher

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<v Speaker 1>catches it. That was where's it going to go over

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<v Speaker 1>the plate? Oh yeah, that's inside corn. Yeah, that's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a strike. Actually that was an outside part of the plate,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was strike. Absolutely. Yeah. You gotta do like

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<v Speaker 1>Kelley Jansen the Dodgers, just strike everybod take the umpire

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<v Speaker 1>out of it. Yeah, that was great. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of drama there, and I was busy. I was busy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was La Centric, although I flipped around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching the Lakers. I watched the Bucks get

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<v Speaker 1>their championship rings, and uh, we'll talk about that in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I thought it was wonderful. That was great,

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<v Speaker 1>great night there in Milwaukee. And you know, you got

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<v Speaker 1>the nets in town and they rough them up. You

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<v Speaker 1>honest look great. But flipping them back and forth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching the Dodgers game and I'm thinking, man five two, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not doing anything offensively, and Bellinger hits a ball

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<v Speaker 1>and this is how it sounded on KLAC, the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 1>Radio network, with Charlie Steiner with the call, how don't

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<v Speaker 1>find all the right center field? It's well, hit is Callinger.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a new game. It's time to fun. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's little things. Sometimes he got on bass in the

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<v Speaker 1>Giant Series with a walk, and then Taylor hits the

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<v Speaker 1>home run. And then this one that pitches up and

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<v Speaker 1>went after it. I didn't think it was out and

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<v Speaker 1>it just kept carrying into the night. And Charlie Steiner

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<v Speaker 1>with the call, McLevin, you got a pull question for me?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to put up? Should they computerize the

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<v Speaker 1>strike zone to see what the fans are. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a negative question. But I still don't totally

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<v Speaker 1>get why they're not doing it to something. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how you know the rhythm of the game, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to know. The games are so long now, ye,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean sometimes thirty forty five an hour longer than

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<v Speaker 1>they used to be. The Dodgers using nine pitchers. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the games are just long. I don't want them to

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<v Speaker 1>go longer. I want them to get the call right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just don't know. If we remember, replay was

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<v Speaker 1>instant replay and then it's now just called replay because

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<v Speaker 1>it takes forever. And I think the game. You can

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<v Speaker 1>have a four hour game, but I like a four

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<v Speaker 1>hour game when it actually moves along, not let's start stop,

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<v Speaker 1>start stop, start stop. And that would be my biggest

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<v Speaker 1>apprehension here. How do you then signal a strike? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a sound effect? Is there a red light or

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<v Speaker 1>a blue light that comes on? Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how they would do that, but I'd be curious about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm open to it. It's just because I watched

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<v Speaker 1>baseball for you know, better part of fifty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>you sometimes will watch and you know, that umpire doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like that hitter or doesn't like that pitcher, plain and simple,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give you that pitch. I'm not giving

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<v Speaker 1>you that pitch. I remember talking to somebody in baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to even hint at who

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<v Speaker 1>it was, but they talked about a hitter and said,

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<v Speaker 1>he's always going to get if he takes a pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to get that call always. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>why because and I was told because he's bleeping Wade Boggs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went, so, Wade Boggs takes a pitch, the

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<v Speaker 1>umpire knows Wade bogs is going to be correct more

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<v Speaker 1>than the umpire will be. And this is coming from

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who is a person of authority who would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that you have umpire, Because when when this is brought up,

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<v Speaker 1>when they have these meetings and you know, somebody say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know these pitches or the you know these are

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<v Speaker 1>outside in their minds, they're like, who's at the plate?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they take a pitch? And if they if Bonds

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<v Speaker 1>took a pitch, if Tony Gwynn took a pitch, if

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<v Speaker 1>Wade Boggs took a pitch, that umpire knows, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be I don't want to show up.

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<v Speaker 1>Wade Boggs, Tony Glenn Bert, You're like, these guys don't

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<v Speaker 1>make mistakes. There. That's Wade ff and Bonds. Yes, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Gwynn, the great guy from the Padres. He only

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<v Speaker 1>got kicked out of one game in his career. And

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<v Speaker 1>the story goes that he was arguing with the umpire,

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<v Speaker 1>which was Joe West by the way, and he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how I know that pitch was a ball

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't swing at it. And that was the

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<v Speaker 1>opening line of the argument. By the way, Cody Bellinger

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventh inning or later this postseason is batting

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<v Speaker 1>five seventy one. That's the highest average by any player

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<v Speaker 1>with more than five plate appearances. All Right, we'll take

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<v Speaker 1>a break. There's a lot to get to and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>certainly talked to Bob Costas about the baseball. This situation

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<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia is not getting better anytime soon. Ben Simmons

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<v Speaker 1>basically said, hey, I don't want to practice, and now

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<v Speaker 1>he's been suspended. Crazy day yesterday, I thought, okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is when Ben grows up and he shows he's tough

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<v Speaker 1>like I still don't know why. Who is Ben mad At?

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus Hayes, the Philadelphia Inquire columnist, here's some comments yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>Doc Rivers on kicking Ben Simmons out of practice. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a distraction today and think he wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody else is doing. And it was early, It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a big deal. Just tell him he should leave

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<v Speaker 1>them and we went on with practice and then Joe l.

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<v Speaker 1>Nbad talked to the media about Ben Simmons. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about that man, honestly. If he does

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he wants. Uh, you know, that's not my job.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's those guys jobs. You know, I'm only

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<v Speaker 1>focused on trying to make the team better, win some games. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, play hard every night, trying to lead in

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<v Speaker 1>love of gods that we have here. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that fel the same way because you know, our chemistry

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<v Speaker 1>has been excellent despite you know, everything that's been happening

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<v Speaker 1>if in the last few months. Uh so yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I don't I don't really care. Oh but wait,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one more from Joe l Nbad. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, our job is not to baby

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<v Speaker 1>see somebody. Uh you know, we we get paid up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just on the Clark. Go out play Hark, win

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<v Speaker 1>some games. That's how we get paid phone. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>get paid to come out here, you know, try to

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<v Speaker 1>baby see somebody here. So that's that's on our job.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure my timms fold aw. That is courtesy

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<v Speaker 1>MDC Sports Philadelphia. Let's bring it in Marcus Hayes to

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia inquire a columnist, what the hell happened yesterday? They've

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<v Speaker 1>had enough. They've just had enough. I mean Ben's been

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<v Speaker 1>there for you know, counting his quarantine, more than a week,

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<v Speaker 1>and he hasn't engaged with his teammates. He won't acknowledge

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<v Speaker 1>people in the building. He talks to the d guess

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<v Speaker 1>the G League coaches now, but he won't talk to

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<v Speaker 1>his own coaches. I mean, he's he's committing careers suicide

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<v Speaker 1>because zan I mean, what team is going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a chance that he's not going to do the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with them once he lands there. Who is he

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<v Speaker 1>mad at? He's mad at Doc Rivers for not continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to defend him and not promoting him as a point guard.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of last season, when they lost Game seven,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my colleagues, David Murphy, asked, Doc, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think Ben can be the point guard of a championships team?

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<v Speaker 1>And Doc clearly doesn't, as Doc was a point guard

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<v Speaker 1>himself in a very similar point guard too Ben Simmons,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, I don't know. I can't answer that question.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't say yes, that's the problem. And then after

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<v Speaker 1>Doc spoke, Joel Embiid was asked, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the turning point of the game was, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when we didn't make the when we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take the dunk with three and a half minutes left.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's mad at them, he's embarrassed by the reaction

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<v Speaker 1>from him not taking that dunk, and he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>he's in a spot I think personally where he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>a fresh start changes everything, where Philadelphia is mean to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he gets out of Philadelphia everything will be better.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know, we're in nineteen we're in eighteen fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody knows what happened in Philadelphia. Wherever he goes next.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he's thinking there. What happens today? Nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he doesn't go he didn't fly with the team.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not with them for their first game tonight, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Sixers are weird, say never practice after the day

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<v Speaker 1>after the game, especially a road game, so they won't

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<v Speaker 1>practice tomorrow. Doc Rivers said, hey, you know, we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens Thursday. Well, nothing's gonna happen Thursday. Guys come

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<v Speaker 1>in for treatment if they want it, they maybe do

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<v Speaker 1>some film stuff. Ben won't be asking to do the

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<v Speaker 1>film stuff because he wasn't involved in the game. So

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be before the shootaround Friday before we know kind

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<v Speaker 1>of where the next shoe drops, because there won't be

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<v Speaker 1>another practice, so I don't expect him to play anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Doc has had enough. Finally, after a year

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<v Speaker 1>of carrying water lying for Ben Simmons, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>insulting anyone who deigned to ask, well, Ben Simmons has

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<v Speaker 1>these agencies, can you fix him this way? This way that? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to treasure him. He's special. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed of how he acted last year, feels betrayed. So

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<v Speaker 1>does Joel Embide, who carried water for him a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just don't think he's going to play or

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<v Speaker 1>get paid more importantly until he capitulates, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that that's going to happen anytime soon either. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wonder he's trying to take the James Harden approach.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just not as good as James Harden. Like James

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<v Speaker 1>Harden is still valuable even if he's out of shape

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't want to play for Houston. Ben Simmons still

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<v Speaker 1>can't shoot. He's still a liability in certain areas here.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's gonna want to trade for him? Like? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have actual teams that would actually be interested in him?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think Cleveland would be interested in him,

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<v Speaker 1>in him as a as a rebuilding centerpiece to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of do whatever he wants and market the team, but

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<v Speaker 1>certainly no contender. I mean, he's putting himself a position

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<v Speaker 1>where no team that is viable can risk his psychology,

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<v Speaker 1>can risk his mental state. Not to mention the shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think he'd be a spectacular powerful you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Rodman with a handle, Draymond Green with you know better,

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<v Speaker 1>even better passing ability. Maybe not as good a defender

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<v Speaker 1>as Draymond, but he wants to be a point guard,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wants to do things his own way, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to be a point guard who doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot and doesn't have to be accountable. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very very small box. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a place like Cleveland where things are horrible and there

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<v Speaker 1>they need they need a centerpiece is a spot they

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<v Speaker 1>just don't have anything the Sixers would be interested in

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<v Speaker 1>trading for to make them decent. You know, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have pieces in Cleveland that can play, that can break

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<v Speaker 1>the starting lineup. Well, I look at Ben. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>put him in a situation where it's a high pressure situation.

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<v Speaker 1>He really has to go to a team that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any chance of winning. Therefore, he doesn't get into

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<v Speaker 1>these situations where he doesn't want to shoot a big

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<v Speaker 1>free throw or make a big play, a big dunk

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<v Speaker 1>and I agree with you. He's not a point guards.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to be Magic Johnson. Well, Magic played at

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<v Speaker 1>a time when he didn't need to have a jumper.

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<v Speaker 1>He did get a jumper, or at least a set shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben doesn't have that. You can be six to nine

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<v Speaker 1>and have a good handle, but in today's NBA, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna play the point, got to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>make free throws and you got at least be respectable

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, fifteen to eighteen feet or like Jannis,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to be willing to fail. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the issue with Ben. It's not that he can't make

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<v Speaker 1>free throws. I mean he hasn't lately, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that he can't make free throws at a clip where

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<v Speaker 1>you don't hack a Ben in the middle of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's kind of over. And he's not a

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<v Speaker 1>good shooter. But you can shoot thirty one percent from

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen feet and out and still be a threat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>your head fake works, but he won't do it like

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<v Speaker 1>Jannis has is not a good shooter. Is a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a ritual that you know, road teams go through

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<v Speaker 1>to embarrass amount of free throw line. But he's so great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's so courageous. He's such a man that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about that because he wants to win and he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to do what's right. He wants to do what's best.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the paradox with Ben. He wants to go

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere to win, but he doesn't want to do what

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to win. Yeah. Well, when you've been coddled,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about this the last time, that you

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<v Speaker 1>know why I love Yannis because he had to prove himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He works hard every mean, he's still working hard, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's not afraid of being laughed at embarrassed because he

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<v Speaker 1>just wants to be great. Ben gets laughed at and

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<v Speaker 1>then he wants to go into a shell and then

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<v Speaker 1>say stop doing that to me. Instead of being a man,

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<v Speaker 1>step up and go, hey, I'm gonna be great. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be great. I want to prove everybody wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And he just hey, send me someplace else, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>He'll send you someplace else. And then what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>things go wrong? Well, I mean, in your profession, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been at the pinnacle of your profession for years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm near the top of my profession. I have looked

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous thousands of times, even you know, after I arrived

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I'm sure there are tapes of Dan Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>out there you don't want anybody to see. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it takes to become better. And that's the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing that people don't realize about Ben Simmons. Just because

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<v Speaker 1>he looks like an Adonis and he's ripped up and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a good handle, it doesn't mean he's much

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<v Speaker 1>better than he was when he got in here from LSU.

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<v Speaker 1>He has not progressed as a player or a person.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he went to LSU under protest, tanked for

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<v Speaker 1>a year, and was the number one overall pick. His

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<v Speaker 1>plan worked. But he's the same person that I met

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City in the ballroom at the Hilton

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<v Speaker 1>in the pre draft of media availability. Six years later.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same guy. He's the same spoiled, entouraged, immature,

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<v Speaker 1>narcis cystic, smart capable athlete that he was back then.

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<v Speaker 1>He just hasn't he hasn't grown. I remember when Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>got embarrassed when he was eighteen years of age, the

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<v Speaker 1>airball and the playoffs, and but you know that was motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>All the great players are motivated. Something Jordan would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>create something to be motivated. You know, Magic was motivated.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to beat Bird. Bird was motivated, like the

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<v Speaker 1>greats want to be motivated. I don't know what motivates

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Simmons. Money and attention. That's all he cares about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all he's ever cared about. Money and attention. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe misses a free throw, he builds a gym in

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<v Speaker 1>his house to practice free throws at three o'clock in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. You know, Michael Jordan gets beat up his

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<v Speaker 1>first year in the NBA. He goes back to UNC

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<v Speaker 1>and he starts working out with the track team and

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<v Speaker 1>the football team to get stronger and faster. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>seeing Ben, you know, working out with the Australian rules

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<v Speaker 1>football team national team or the rugby team to get

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<v Speaker 1>stronger and master and better and tougher. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to Wimbledon with pretty pretty ladies. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>buying a house. He's going on Instagram and he's showing

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<v Speaker 1>you on Instagram or Twitter a video of him making

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<v Speaker 1>a jump shot that he never takes in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's it's insane. I mean, I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if you make a thousand of them in this gym

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<v Speaker 1>with your trainer, take one in a game, what happens

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday night. I just think it's I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>in this folding pattern for a while and he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>fined more. And I think it's some point the Sixers

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<v Speaker 1>may seek relief, you know, like a breach of contract

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<v Speaker 1>thing and try to get out of the deal. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to trade him for nothing. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let him win. Daryl Moore is a very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>guy to deal with, the Sixers president, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll stand on principle until he can't stand any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's gonna win this. He really is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Clutch Sports and Rich Paul and Lebron James is a conglomerate,

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<v Speaker 1>are going to take a big l here. And the

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest loser is going to be bad because he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be if he if he plays again, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a possibility. If he plays again, he's never going to

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<v Speaker 1>be respected. He's going to be a pariah no matter

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<v Speaker 1>where he's at. When he's on the road, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a laughing stock and he's gonna lose

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of millions of potential dollars and earnings. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's suicide. I mean, he's got a small window in

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<v Speaker 1>the next one month to get over himself, come back

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<v Speaker 1>and play here and play well and get traded to

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<v Speaker 1>a good team and refurbishes it, refurbishes image, resurrect himself.

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>But that's probably the end of the window. Great to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Has always got a lot to write

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<v Speaker 1>about there, Marcus, Thanks for joining us again, Buddy, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me. That's Marcus Hayes, Philadelphia inquire a columnist.

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<v Speaker 1>in the great podcast is, Bob, how would you answer

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<v Speaker 1>that question? You know, I thought that each of your

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>compatriots had an excellent point. And I do believe, given

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<v Speaker 1>the trend that we're now observing, that it is inevitable

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<v Speaker 1>that there will be some sort of electronic balls and

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<v Speaker 1>strikes within our lifetime if I live another X number

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<v Speaker 1>of years. But yet, as was pointed out, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a rich tapestry to the game, Dan, and I appreciate

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>all of those nuances, the little subtleties of a catcher

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 1>framing a pitch to make a borderline ball appear to

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>be a strike, a pitcher working the zone, figuring out

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>what that particular plate umpire has as his strike zone

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<v Speaker 1>that day. Can I go an inch further off either corner?

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<v Speaker 1>And so, yes, Well, it is inevitable. It will be

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<v Speaker 1>a blow to the game and to its connection to

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>generational history. That's my answer, Dan, because that's what your

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>guys want my answer to be. But I wonder, though, Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the technology, but we want the umpires to

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<v Speaker 1>get every other call right. But when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the strike zone, we're sort of okay with it being

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>loosely interpreted. Why Yeah, Like yesterday, for example, it looked

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>like it looked like Walker Bueller had Jack Peterson with

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<v Speaker 1>strike three. The replay clearly showed the ball had the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an O two pitch would have been strike three.

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<v Speaker 1>The outback continued, he got a base hit. It was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a scoring inning for the Braves. You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>we want everything down to the micro millimeter in every

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<v Speaker 1>other call where replay is allowed. It's not allowed by

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<v Speaker 1>the way on check swings. And we saw how that

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<v Speaker 1>happened the last pitch of the game in Game five

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<v Speaker 1>in the Division Series between the Giants and the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the resistance with balls and strikes is whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not they really believe that an electronic strike zone

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<v Speaker 1>is infallible. And there are some arguments about the depth

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<v Speaker 1>of the strike zone and whether we can exactly get

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<v Speaker 1>a guy's stance. What if the guy's stance changes, he

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<v Speaker 1>goes into more of a crouch's whatever the case may be,

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<v Speaker 1>the break of the pitch, can technology perfectly capture that

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<v Speaker 1>to where Okay, the plate umpire is ninety eight percent accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>but can the I'm making that figure up. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>say that's the figure ninety eight percent accurate and electronically,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're only ninety nine percent accurate, is that worth it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not so sure that I'm as up as

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<v Speaker 1>I should be on all the aspects of this to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to say that they've gotten it to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where an electronic balls and strikes approach will be infallible.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the mood infallible? If it's infallible, it's inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the mood like prior to Cody Bellinger's home run?

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<v Speaker 1>Last night? Dodger Stadium was a out as quiet as

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand people can be. You heard murmurs rather than cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>A few brave souls tried to get a let's go

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers chant going, and it went nowhere. When Will Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and Aj Pollock got hits and brought Bellinger to the plate,

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<v Speaker 1>then the place came alive. And when he connected, it

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<v Speaker 1>changed from a morgan into a madhouse, just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is it about Bellinger? You know, like used

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<v Speaker 1>to be the Mendoza line was the embarrassing number at

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and he's bat one sixty five during the season,

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<v Speaker 1>but seventh inning on in the postseason, he's become a

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<v Speaker 1>different hitter. What has gotten into Bellinger? Well, you know,

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he's he's had excellent regular seasons previously. In this season

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<v Speaker 1>there was a combination of things injuries, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't get untracked. And now I guess he's just feeling it.

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<v Speaker 1>What was really interesting the home run yesterday that he

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<v Speaker 1>hit off Luke Jackson. That pitch was up, and usually

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<v Speaker 1>the book with Bellinger is if you're gonna miss, miss up,

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.959
<v Speaker 1>because he has that extreme uppercut swing and he'll just

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<v Speaker 1>lash a low pitch out of the park. And somehow

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>he got on top of the pitch that probably was

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<v Speaker 1>above the strike zone and hit a four hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>what's the biggest storyline so far the postseason, Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of them would be if the Braves who

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<v Speaker 1>are still up despite the fact that the momentum seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have changed. The Braves are up two games to one.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest storyline could be that if we ever didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize it, we realize it now. This is a tournament

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty two games to get there, but

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<v Speaker 1>already the team that won the most one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seven is out. Didn't even get to one step from

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series. Out close series with the Dodgers, but out.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dodgers won one hundred and six, they could very

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<v Speaker 1>well be out. The Braves, let's say, could make it

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<v Speaker 1>to the World Series. Eighty eight wins was the fewest

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>for any division winner, and the Red Sox could very well.

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<v Speaker 1>As a team that barely qualified as a wild card,

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox could very well be their opponent. The

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<v Speaker 1>old saying in sports, it's not so much who you play,

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>it's when you play him. It's a long season. The

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>way pitching staffs are used now, with openers and starters

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<v Speaker 1>being applauded for giving you four solid innings. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a different game than it used to be, and more

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<v Speaker 1>so than ever, especially with two wild cards, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in the future there'll be more wild cards than that.

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<v Speaker 1>The postseason is just a roll of the dice. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think history is going to treat Jose l

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<v Speaker 1>two Bay the longer his career goes and the better

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<v Speaker 1>he performs. It's a good question. But the longer his

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>career goes, the better he performs, the further it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the rearview mirror. I think, on balance it'll treat

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<v Speaker 1>him kindly. Carlos Korea said recently that Jose was somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who did not want to hear the banging on the

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<v Speaker 1>trash can, that he did not benefit from that. But

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<v Speaker 1>then there's the image of him coming around third after

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<v Speaker 1>hitting that series winning homer, offer all this Chapman and

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>he appears to be clutching his jersey and he's yelling

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>at his teammates, don't rip my jersey off, And that

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<v Speaker 1>led to speculation that there was some kind of wire

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<v Speaker 1>on him. So, if Carlos is correct, maybe al Tuve

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<v Speaker 1>was an innocent spectator who just didn't spill the beans

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>because of the code of Omerta. But if the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about wearing a wire is true, and if we ever

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<v Speaker 1>get a definitive answer to that, that could change the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that generally speaking, people's memories, outside of

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<v Speaker 1>those who feel that they were directly burned by the

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Astros Dodgers fans from twenty seventeen whatever, I think most

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<v Speaker 1>will be forgiving because he's a terrific player and from

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<v Speaker 1>all indications he seems to be a very nice guy. Yeah,

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>but Shulis Joe Jackson maintained he never took any money

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and he hit three seventy five. But yep, you know what,

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:12.839
<v Speaker 1>he's paid the prices. Well, obviously Bart from the Hall

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of Fame never going to get in. Yeah, you know,

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>he was actually people don't realize this. He was actually

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<v Speaker 1>on the ballot in the early days of the Hall

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>of Fame. He was on the ballot, never got enough support.

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>He died in nineteen fifty. He was still technically eligible

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<v Speaker 1>for Veterans committees until in nineteen ninety one, two years

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<v Speaker 1>after Pete Rose was banned by Bartjamati, the Board of

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Director of the Hall of Fame put it in a rule.

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<v Speaker 1>It said, anybody who's on the permanently ineligible list is

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<v Speaker 1>not eligible for the ballot, and that was obviously aimed

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<v Speaker 1>directly at Pete Rose, since at that point Joe Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>had been dead for more than forty years, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was just an aside. I'm not a moralist

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<v Speaker 1>on this. I don't know if I've talked with you

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<v Speaker 1>about this before, Dan, but my dad Ad was an

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>inveterate gambler of the Guysendalls Damon Runyon School. He bet

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>with guys named Blinkie and three Finger, who undoubtedly were

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>connected to the mob. And this is in the nineteen sixties,

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and very often the mortgage roade on whether he would

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>win his bets or lose his bets. So I'm not

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>being a moralist about this. But within the last decade,

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>every Commissioner of Baseball has testified before Congress that legalized

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>gambling would be the end of sports as we know.

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>It would be the worst thing it could ever happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And now there's so much money available they can't turn

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>their backs on it. And not only do they embrace it,

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>they promote it. And yet Pete Rose, who's in his

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and who you wouldn't want to defend, in every

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>respect as a person. I am not going to defend

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>everything he did in baseball or outside baseball. He never

0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 1>did anything, so far as the evidence we have, did

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>anything that undermined the integrity of the competition as much

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>as those who are still in the game and have

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>been suspended but have returned, those who were on the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame ballot, whether they get elected or not.

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 1>Here he is on the outside looking in. How can

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>this be made any more absurd? What would the harm

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 1>be if Pete Rose went on the Hall of Fame

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>ballot or was eligible before a Veterans committee, And if

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 1>he's on the ballot, the clock should start from zero.

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>He was never on the clock, So you should get

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>ten years on that ballot if you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>it that way, or make him, given his age, immediately

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<v Speaker 1>eligible for Veterans Committee considerations. And if people want to

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>hold the gambling against him in light of all the

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>present realities and the light of all the comparisons to

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>other people within baseball and their misdeeds, let them do it,

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>but at least let him be considered. Well, I just wonder,

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>and I've talked to the previous commissioner about this of

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>further evidence. Did Pete bett when he was playing, which

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I believe he was betting when he was playing, and

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>we know that he bet when he was managing, and

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>he said, well, and years ago he told me and

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Keith Overman, I bet on my team to win. Well,

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you can manipulate the lineup to help you win, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. Can you separate Pete as the manager betting

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<v Speaker 1>on baseball with just Pete as the player? And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have as much evidence there that I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I put him in the Hall of Fame because he

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<v Speaker 1>was a Hall of Fame player, and you know, punish

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<v Speaker 1>him by keeping him out of baseball because of what

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<v Speaker 1>he did as a manager. Is it fair to split

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<v Speaker 1>him up like that? Well, in the big picture, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can. You can temper justice with mercy people

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<v Speaker 1>who've committed Hainau's crimes. And I realized as an apple

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<v Speaker 1>apples and oranges aspect here, but people who have committed

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<v Speaker 1>heinous crimes get paroled in less time than this. And

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<v Speaker 1>we know that if Pete Rose lives to be a hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>in the first parag half of his obituary will be

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he bet on baseball and was banned

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<v Speaker 1>for baseball from baseball because of it. The price that

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<v Speaker 1>he has paid in his life and in his legacy

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<v Speaker 1>is enormous, So you could take that into account. I

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<v Speaker 1>would think, by the way, I asked a Rob Men

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<v Speaker 1>for that question about five years ago. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>in that Baseball has on Pete Rose that the public

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<v Speaker 1>does not know about? You don't even have to specify it,

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<v Speaker 1>but is there something beyond the public understanding that leads

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball to say to say, no, this is a non starter.

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<v Speaker 1>And his answer to that was no, Yeah, our reasons

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<v Speaker 1>are out there. We know what our reasons are. If

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<v Speaker 1>I gave you one vote, Pete Rose, Roger Clemens, Verry Bonds.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Dan, you asked such good questions. You know

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<v Speaker 1>I've said this before, and I said it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people with regard to Barry Bonds, let's say Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Berducci is one. I have great respect for Tom. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you took steroids the last year

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<v Speaker 1>of your career and you already had a record number

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<v Speaker 1>of home runs. If you ever did it once, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm concerned. My position is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more lenient than that. When you talk about Clements

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<v Speaker 1>and especially Bonds, you're talking about people who are on

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<v Speaker 1>the shortlist of the greatest of the great. If you

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<v Speaker 1>shrunk the Hall of Fame by eighty or ninety percent

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<v Speaker 1>on their performing merits, they'd still be in the Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame. So, you know, I could see voting for

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<v Speaker 1>all of those guys, especially because of the price they

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<v Speaker 1>have paid to their reputations, the amount of time that

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<v Speaker 1>they have waited. I probably go. I'd probably actually go

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<v Speaker 1>Rose Bonds, Clements in that order, Rose Bonds, Clements, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but with ambivalence, with ambivalence. You know, in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Bonds, it's a terrible shame. Barry Bonds is a

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<v Speaker 1>very intelligent guy, and his baseball IQ is at an

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein level, and on his natural merits, he'd be in

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<v Speaker 1>the discussion of the dozen or so greatest all around

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<v Speaker 1>non pitchers who ever played. And think how much better

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<v Speaker 1>his legacy would be outside San Francisco, where they love

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<v Speaker 1>him seemingly unconditionally. But think how much better his legacy

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<v Speaker 1>would be if he had hit five hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five career home runs, you know, hit two ninety five lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>won all the Gold gloves had all the great seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he'd be in the Hall of Fame, and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be he'd be close to universally respected and admired.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Barry Bonds wants to sit with someone and

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<v Speaker 1>talk with them, he's so engaging. He has that beautiful smile.

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<v Speaker 1>People who know him well talk about his charitable acts

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<v Speaker 1>and how and how engaging he can be. But he

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<v Speaker 1>did play a good portion of his career with a

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<v Speaker 1>chip on his shoulder because of the mistreatment that his

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<v Speaker 1>dad had received and because of some of what he

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 1>saw Willie Mays go through earlier in his career. Although

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>now Willie is beloved by everyone. So there was a

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<v Speaker 1>chip on his shoulder and a lot of that was

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<v Speaker 1>projected to the media. But so what. Had he never

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<v Speaker 1>used steroids, had he never turned baseball into a video

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<v Speaker 1>game and distorted the competition, all of that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a mere footnote, and he'd now be at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the Hall of Fame pyramid. It's a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember asking him about all of this information that

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<v Speaker 1>you know he is, you know baseball IQ, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>do you share this information with your teammates? And he goes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>because one day they could be my opponent, not my teammate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, wow, okay, yeah wow, Yeah tonight we're teammates. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but tomorrow we might not make care it during the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series. Yeah, kind of win the World Series. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have fun tonight, Bob. It's great to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks for joining us. As always, thank you. Take care,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob cost Us. I'll be joined by Pedro Martinez, Jimmy Rollins,

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