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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We've all seen Silence of

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Speaker 1: the Lambs or Dexter other programs in movies or TV

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Speaker 1: The specter of dismemberment and cannibalism once again rears its

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Natasha Robin at WVUE. According to

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Speaker 1: court documents, NPD investigators executed a search warrant at this

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Speaker 1: Dardar's ex husband, reported or missing to police last month.

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Speaker 1: During the search of Beale's home, detectives found a power

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Speaker 1: bits of flesh on the blade. Again, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at crime stories.

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Speaker 1: You know, very often trying cases in inner city Atlanta

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Speaker 1: This case has made me stop at my tracks while

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Speaker 1: I report and investigate on crimes every single day. What

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Speaker 1: When I spoke to the FBI agent that pulled her

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Speaker 1: First of all, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick at Wendy Patrick, PhD dot com. Renowned psychiatrists

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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold

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Speaker 1: at angela Arnold MD dot com. Dan Coorsantino former police chief,

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Speaker 1: Board now a PI at Dan Korsantino dot com. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Pathology dot com. Special guests joining us Shaye O'Connor, reporter

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Speaker 1: of them had actually been inside his house. Because usually

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Speaker 1: everybody superficially kind of knows the nice, quiet neighbor, but

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Speaker 1: nobody's actually been inside. So that's one what I would

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Speaker 1: call rogue fact, because otherwise it does seem like he

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Speaker 1: isolated himself, even though visually they were able to see

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Speaker 1: him outside walking his dog in the garden. Time Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to Dean Corsentina, I've been up in

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Speaker 1: every neighbor's house around our home, and whether it's trick

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Speaker 1: or treating or taking them something at Christmas, or going

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Speaker 1: to ask them have they seen the cat. I have

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Speaker 1: gotten in the home and looked around and all the

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Speaker 1: houses around our home because I want to know who

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Speaker 1: is around my children. You darn right, I've been up

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Speaker 1: in them in their driveways in their home now. And

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Speaker 1: I know you think that may be taking it to

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Speaker 1: an extreme, but I don't think that's crazy. Is that crazy?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy. Corsentina, Well, I don't know

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Speaker 1: them easy. I would say that you are very aware

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Speaker 1: and conscience from the was in such are in. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that wanted to show

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Speaker 1: the neighbors only what he wanted to show the neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Many people, most people have a public private in secret life.

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Speaker 1: Clearly no one was able to penetrate his secret life

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Speaker 1: or what was in the spots of who he actually was.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I want to follow up on something

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Speaker 1: that you're saying right now, a secret life to Shay

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Speaker 1: O'Connor w DSU. You said, the woman who had been

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Speaker 1: invited in for some food, who would want to eat that?

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Speaker 1: But you said the paint on the wall's what do

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Speaker 1: you mean? Was it like spray painted or graffitied? I

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Speaker 1: mean all walls are painted, right. She talked about his

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Speaker 1: home like the inside, as though he had maybe painted

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Speaker 1: the inside, like how the bus was painted. Oh, dear

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Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven. Right, Okay, take a listen to our Okay. Nine,

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Speaker 1: this is Morgan Lenty's w d SU dismembered and left

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Speaker 1: to be discovered by police. I know she was a

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Speaker 1: tough cookie, so she couldn't have gone out without a fight.

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Speaker 1: The family of Julia dar Dar is convinced he remains

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Speaker 1: were found inside a school bus in the ninth Ward

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Speaker 1: last week. Now, her husband and the couples to daughters

467
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Speaker 1: say they are fighting for Julia. They gathered outside city

468
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Speaker 1: Hall Tuesday begging for Benjamin Beale to be held without bond.

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Speaker 1: He's an animal, he needs to be in a cage.

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Speaker 1: Beale was arrested the night that discovery was made on

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Speaker 1: Pauline Street. He was later charged with murder and most recently,

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Speaker 1: simple assault. His bond is now over one point four

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Speaker 1: million dollars, but MIKEA. Dardar worries it isn't enough to

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Speaker 1: keep him in jail. There's a high risk to many

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Speaker 1: people if he does get out, because there's just no

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Speaker 1: telling what he would do. And while the family waits

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Speaker 1: for that matter to be settled in court, they're left

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Speaker 1: to deal with the disturbing details of this case, still

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Speaker 1: trying to make sense of such a senseless crime. Je

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Speaker 1: dontor preamanagee joining us. How do you determine when a

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Speaker 1: body has been dismembered, what the coda cause of death was?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great question. So usually in my experience,

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Speaker 1: and I have handled up a few dismemberment cases, it's

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Speaker 1: usually post mortem, so the seatons are usually killed in

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Speaker 1: one or more methods and then they are dismembered to

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Speaker 1: try to hide the body or you know, hide what

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Speaker 1: was done to them. You know, in this case, if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, she's beaten and strangled. You should

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Speaker 1: be able to tell much of those injuries, regardless of

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Speaker 1: the dismemberment, because it's usually the long the limbs, the

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Speaker 1: torso you know, those are cut away, but usually it's

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Speaker 1: not so small that you can't still do an autopsy.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten. This is Anna McCallister,

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Speaker 1: w GNO. Julia was reported missing at the end of December.

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Speaker 1: Last week, police found the dismembered remains of a woman

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Speaker 1: inside of a freezer on a property on Pauline Street. Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: the Orleans Parish Coroner's Office confirmed the remains were Julius

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Speaker 1: and say that she was beaten and strangled before she

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Speaker 1: was dismembered. Reality of the whole scenario is set in.

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Speaker 1: Since I've got the confirmation and the call, it's I

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Speaker 1: had a couple of breakdowns today and yes, last night

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Speaker 1: police arrested and charged the man Julia was living with

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Speaker 1: thirty four year old Benjamin Beale with her murder. Following

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Speaker 1: her horrifying death, those who knew Julia wanted to remember

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Speaker 1: her life and cleanse the area of bad energy with

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Speaker 1: a spiritual vigil. It was just a combination of different

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Speaker 1: religions and people coming together. Attendees prayed for Julia and

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Speaker 1: her family. At one point, the group walked back to

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Speaker 1: the bus where Julia's remains were found. Julia elias behind

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Speaker 1: her husband and two teenage daughters. Right now, Benjamin Beale

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Speaker 1: remains behind bars. His bond is one point four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Julia Beaton is strangled dead before she was dismembered. Exactly

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Speaker 1: what body parts were found in the fraser Shay O'Connor

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Speaker 1: wdsu A torso so dismembered body found in the freezer.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, just to talk about it makes me

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Speaker 1: have chilled. I believe that her head was taken off

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Speaker 1: and yeah, her arms and legs. Her torso was found

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Speaker 1: in the freezer. The dismemberment a body, what does it mean?

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Speaker 1: Of course, this is not the first time we have

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Speaker 1: had cases of dismemberment. Take a listen to you. Our

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Speaker 1: cut seventeen w LKY, but newly released court documents tell

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Speaker 1: a different story, one where over Hansley admitted to officers

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Speaker 1: that he stabbed girlfriend Tammy Joe Blanton to death then

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Speaker 1: mutilated her body. After being a prosecutor for so long,

525
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Speaker 1: you think you've seen everything, and this is one of

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Speaker 1: those cases where I've never seen this. Police responded to

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Speaker 1: a welfare check at Blanton's local Street home Thursday and

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Speaker 1: found her dead in the bathtub covered by a tarp.

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Speaker 1: Detective say ober Ansley had a knife with blood on

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Speaker 1: it in his back pocket and confess to cutting out

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Speaker 1: parts of Blanton's brain, heart, and lung. There was evidence

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Speaker 1: in the kitchen he cooked the organs and ate them

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Speaker 1: and our cut nineteen. You were just hearing about Tammy

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Speaker 1: Joe Blanton's death. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: k fo R Tuesday night. A horrific sequence of events

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Speaker 1: about the murder being revealed inside the Grady County Courthouse.

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Speaker 1: It's stuff that you see all the time on TV

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Speaker 1: and you never think it's going to happen. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: affect you. Investigators alleging Anderson killed Andrea Blankenship, first forcing

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Speaker 1: his way into her home through a back door, and

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Speaker 1: according to court documents, quote removed her heart, taking it

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Speaker 1: to his uncle Leon Pye's home, where he quote cooked it.

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Speaker 1: Another dismemberment, both of those cannibalistic in nature, that one

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Speaker 1: of missus Blanketship. It goes on and on, and of

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00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: course the case that made the headlines. Jeffrey Dahmer take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty. I think you'll recognize

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Speaker 1: the voice. I always knew that it was wrong, but

548
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: after the first the first killing was not planned. I

549
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Speaker 1: was coming back from the shopping mall back in seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: I had had fantasies about picking up a hitchhiker and

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Speaker 1: taking them back to the house and having complete control

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Speaker 1: and dominance. That was the voice of Jeffrey Dahmer speaking

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Speaker 1: to our friends at Inside Edition, straight out to doctor

554
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Speaker 1: Angel Arnold psychiatrists. I don't understand the thinking of murderers

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Speaker 1: who then dismember and in these cases eat their victims.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand dismemberment. Now, if you're trying to hide

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Speaker 1: a part of the body, the body, get rid of

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Speaker 1: it so won't be found. I understand that, as evil

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Speaker 1: as it is. But when you dismember the body and

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Speaker 1: put it in your freezer. That's no longer the explanation,

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Speaker 1: So help me out, dodtr Angie. Yeah, Nancy, if this

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Speaker 1: is shape, If it's okay, I'd like to read to

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Speaker 1: you what the affidavit said. Okay, please do yes so um.

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Speaker 1: Court documents said that inside the freezer, a reciprocating saw

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Speaker 1: with flesh and fluid was found, along with a head

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Speaker 1: in torso. Deep cuts were found on the shoulder, the shoulders,

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Speaker 1: and arms of the body that police believe were inflicted

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Speaker 1: post mortem. Dodtr Angie, Nancy, I think that we have

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Speaker 1: to remember this is if this is very important. The

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Speaker 1: people that do that do these kind of heinous crimes,

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Speaker 1: lack empathy and they and they really don't experience the

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Speaker 1: emotions that are that all of us are experiencing over us.

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Speaker 1: They could even be completely detached from what they are doing, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so they completely act lack empathy. As Jeffrey Dahmer said,

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Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing, he knew the difference

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Speaker 1: room right and wrong, but he didn't have a conscience

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Speaker 1: about it, which is the diagnosis of a sociopath. So

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Speaker 1: they all may they all may have people who dismember

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Speaker 1: may have different reasons for doing so, for example, to

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Speaker 1: hide the body, to eat the body, to have sex

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Speaker 1: with the body. They can have different reasons for doing it.

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Speaker 1: But remember that they all lack empathy and they do

583
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Speaker 1: not experience emotions the emotions that all of us are

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Speaker 1: experiencing around us. They are not experiencing these emotions. They're

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Speaker 1: incapable of that. Mika, I'm just trying too hard to

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Speaker 1: imagine how your daughters are taking this, because you know

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Speaker 1: they're going on the internet reading about it. Yes, they're

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Speaker 1: they're doing Okay, Um, I guess we're all in shock

589
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Speaker 1: about the whole thing. And to Shay O'Connor joining us WDSU,

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Speaker 1: where does the case against Bill stand now? Just as

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Speaker 1: of now he has been charged with murder and so

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Speaker 1: at this time, I mean because at first he wasn't

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Speaker 1: charged with murder. So now that they've been able to

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Speaker 1: say that he actually did kill her, that her body

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Speaker 1: was the remains, like that was her remains, now he's

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Speaker 1: being charged with murder. So um, there is another court

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Speaker 1: appearance in March, but as of right now, that that's

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Speaker 1: what I know. End violence against women. If you suspect

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Speaker 1: of violence against a woman called toll Free eight hundred

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Speaker 1: seven nine nine seven two three three Repeat eight hundred

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Speaker 1: seven ninety nine seven two three three. Nancy Grace Kimes

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Speaker 1: story signing off Goodbye Friend,