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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime M

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another addition to All the Smoke, day

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Speaker 1: too in New York, and we got a man of

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Speaker 1: Many hats, our brother print Yet thank you, question appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We look up to you when you were in Michigan

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, and now your crossover has been its

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Speaker 1: looks seamless. I'm sure it's been tough and draining, but

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Speaker 1: you're a man of many hats. What's up with you

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Speaker 1: now and everything you're doing post career? And how did

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Speaker 1: was that something you always want to do when you

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Speaker 1: stumble upon it? Hey man, I'm just happy to be here,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, like, I feel like I've arrived being

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Speaker 1: on you guys show, because you guys took it to

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Speaker 1: another level, you know what I mean, and being unapologetically black.

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Speaker 1: It's something that like we gotta fight for. Like I

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Speaker 1: know y'all get text I know y'all get emails. I

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Speaker 1: know people try to censor y'all, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you guys really like taking it to

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Speaker 1: the next level. And for me, it was like trying

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Speaker 1: to lay a foundation. Like when I went to college,

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Speaker 1: this was my major radio, TV film. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that I was gonna play thirteen years in the league.

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Speaker 1: I used to look at players like see Well and

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Speaker 1: not them like real spill. So I need to have

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Speaker 1: because I've been playing against them my whole life. And

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Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm gonna be able to cover

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Speaker 1: them if I ain't gonna be able to play. And

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Speaker 1: so that's what I was doing. And then early in

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Speaker 1: the league it wasn't many outlets. I was with the Patients.

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Speaker 1: We was going to the playoffs, We was going to

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Speaker 1: the finals. Then I got traded to the Bulls and

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Speaker 1: we weren't. So I reached out to a contact. I

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Speaker 1: had a b T Mass Sports because I just did

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Speaker 1: the show and I was like, Yo, the Lakers playing

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Speaker 1: all access, y'all just sending the camera and so they

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Speaker 1: did it. I cut it, I edited, they liked it,

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Speaker 1: we ran it, and then I pitched that to the

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Speaker 1: Best Damn Sports Show the next year and then they

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Speaker 1: hired me. So while I was in the league from

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Speaker 1: two thousand and to the two thousand and seven, I

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Speaker 1: was already working with them doing NFL Network, doing Top

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Speaker 1: was doing all of this stuff, T n T, Sideline

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Speaker 1: and then in two thousand and seven when I retired,

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Speaker 1: that's when I officially started working for ESPN full time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got many hats over there, Um, what

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Speaker 1: is your ultimate goal in this media space? Are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you good? Obviously we're always trying to aspire, but

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Speaker 1: what what are you trying to get to in this

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Speaker 1: being able to express it in different venues. So for

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Speaker 1: NBA Countdown, that's talking about the league, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a twenty two minute show. When we're talking about current

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Speaker 1: events in the league, that's it. Um, Jalen and Jacobe

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Speaker 1: is just like you guys, show us a variety show,

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Speaker 1: gives us a chance to express ourselves beyond ball. I

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Speaker 1: remember being a former basketball player trying to talk other

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Speaker 1: Or what does he know? And I'm like, so, let

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Speaker 1: to do what I can to eventually break down those

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Speaker 1: And that's what Jayden and Jacobe started. That show wasn't

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Speaker 1: in my contract. It was just a pet project. And

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Speaker 1: when I first started doing it, I remember it was

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Speaker 1: What no soul? What no flavor? Was no culture? And

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Speaker 1: jay Z that I had it correct. We were doing

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Speaker 1: So that's why I started like trying to come up

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Speaker 1: with images that are like representing our culture, that spoke

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Speaker 1: for us when we weren't speaking, because they always try

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Speaker 1: So that's really where it started. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: far as talking about it. But again, like you Tea,

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Speaker 1: because of the foundation you laid a handful of years later,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually on first take with Stephen Nasmith talking about

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Speaker 1: weed and how about what I mean, and just to

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Speaker 1: start slowly, If you don't start slowly laying that foundation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what really bringing the world to what we're really about.

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Speaker 1: So definitely appreciate you for that. Enjoy the season so far.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest change for you. I love the the

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Speaker 1: west of the rest of swallowing their whistles. Let these

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Speaker 1: all due respect, I love James Harden, one of the

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Speaker 1: most talented scores, but I think this rule was made

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Speaker 1: because he mastered the manipulation of drawing those fouls. So

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Speaker 1: now that they're not calling that stuff no more, I

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Speaker 1: And well, there have been your thoughts on these guys,

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Speaker 1: to earn your fouls. So I believe that James was

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Speaker 1: looking at Katie like like it belly, like that's your man, right, well,

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Speaker 1: your man that like y'all told me to leave Houston

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Speaker 1: You show up out of shape and you're picking and

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Speaker 1: it's both of You'll know, it's a difference between great

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Speaker 1: that easy, bro, But how about Steph. Steph took a

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Speaker 1: Clay and Wiseman. That's tough. That's tough to talk about

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Speaker 1: your upbringing that uh in Detroit. You know, we hear things,

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Speaker 1: So talk to us about your upbringing to Detroit, crushing

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Speaker 1: young because literally, like those years when y'all watching BMF

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Speaker 1: some I love you Steve Fisher, but I didn't get

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Speaker 1: you know scar Face boyd. Yeah, absolutely all ghetto boys,

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Speaker 1: the Mischigan experience because it was historical from the standpoint

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Speaker 1: because all the bullshit you'll was facing correct and you're

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Speaker 1: ready for this shop. And again like I have no

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Speaker 1: and he pulled out the sides. I'm like, dog, what

426
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: do you get doing from? Like he just got it

427
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: for them all And then we all looked like they

428
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: had some black So we went to the mall and

429
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: I just think about this, they didn't have five pairs

430
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: of black socks at an entire mall. The first game.

431
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: Our dress socks on top of my white sox. True story,

432
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: I don't dress socks. We went to the little stall,

433
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: we put on our units, covered up the socks. Dot.

434
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna snap off our pants until right before

435
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: the tip off, so they won't tell us. No. You

436
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: know how that works, We do it prior gotta get it. Yeah,

437
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna shut it down, so we're gonna make sure

438
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: they can't shut it down. So that that's how we

439
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah. Oh, Rice, that's who he's playing. Rice.

440
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: What's your relationship now? I love him? He should be

441
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Three Final Force the National Championship.

442
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: He should be in the Hall of Fame. Did great

443
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: with San Diego State bought the program back to LFE

444
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: Brian Dutcher, who now culture was to lead recruiters. Jawan

445
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: signed with him first. Now they're head coach. He was

446
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: giving out tickets on campus. Now they got a real program.

447
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: You should be in the Hall of Fame. He's got

448
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: many championships? Is Jim be huh? And um my guy

449
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: Michigan State? Who I love is? Oh? I mean he

450
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: got many championships as though, so I feel like he

451
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: deserved it. What's your relationship with web We touched on

452
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: it in Atlanta when we had him. Um recently disintroducted

453
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Saw that shout out, But what's

454
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: your relationship with web I love Webb and I'm almost sure,

455
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: especially since Jawan just resigned, that I'll see him in

456
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: that arbor. I'm back living in the d and I

457
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: see he just did. It's so incredible, um donation uh

458
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: to to candidates and out killing them in Detroit to

459
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: Shota Biola. I just love how strip clubs and we

460
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: used to be taboo even though everybody else was doing it.

461
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: Now we're started doing It's great to see us getting

462
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: profit off of it. And so I believe we'll be

463
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: able to break bread this year or whatever at the game. Um,

464
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got a chance to be there when

465
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: he got inducted in the Hall of Fame. I'm gonna

466
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad he got a chance to uh be on

467
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: the show right after I lost my mom. And so

468
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: we're goodie. I have I have no problems, no ill

469
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: will with my brother. Of course, we need to probably

470
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: sit down and talk about some dots of miles and

471
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: cross some teas or whatever. But you know, I'm taking

472
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: the bullet for sea. Well that's my brother I mean,

473
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: I love to hear that. Being big fans of both

474
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: y'all and he was kind of my big brother coming

475
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: up through the league and just being big fans. So

476
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: obviously at this point, you mean tomorrow is never promised.

477
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: So to be able to see that bridge being rebuilt

478
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: or not, even though it was broken, but just being

479
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: able to, like you said, crossing together, I think that's

480
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: dunk Man. So we definitely commend you for that. You

481
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: all know about the game, even playing at u c

482
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: l A for so many years against Matt and everybody

483
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: who went to u c l A. And it's funny

484
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: that you just said your big brother in league. I

485
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: remember one time, and I'm gonna say too much on camera,

486
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: y'all was in Miami and he was like, yo, yo, yo,

487
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: yo yo, make some moves, make some moves, and I'm

488
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: like making left, making right. I'm gonna show you to

489
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: my apartment, and I got a jack moment for you.

490
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: I land in Denver, I'm looking at the roster to

491
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: see what team got a hold over from the night before.

492
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: I called his room in the middle of the night

493
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: and I possibly was looking for some treats. I remember

494
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: another time you maybe I'm just saying. Maybe I can't

495
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: confirm or deny. But I remember another time in Toronto too,

496
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: when he was out in Toronto and you opened up

497
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: the house and we came to him like yo, yeah,

498
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: and I was too yeah oh yeah man. She was

499
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: shout out Mona. You know what I mean, the greatest

500
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: time for that. Yeah, that's that's reminded me name with

501
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: that face. Ye yes, yes, great, great great dot connected

502
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: declared for the draft of overall. So you're going from

503
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Detroit to Denver. What's what's your thought? This was This

504
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: is from him as a kid then since nine, not

505
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: thinking he's going to wear basketball right then you get it.

506
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: But what's crazy is like and that's that's why I

507
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: love today's game, because everybody like tried to worry about

508
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: my positions to be something like that. I always hated that.

509
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Like when I was at Michigan, Yeah I played point,

510
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: but Jimmy got the ball, get the ball? See where

511
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: I get the ball? Like we were getting to change,

512
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: but we're playing position list And so when I got

513
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: to the league, it was people like, oh, he got

514
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: the nerd to try to act like he want to

515
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: be a tall point guard. He ain't no magic or whatever,

516
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: like I'm just trying to move or whatever. And so

517
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: I didn't like that initially. But let me tell you

518
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: one of the things I did like about being in

519
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: Denver playing with Mark mood I'll do a role and

520
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: people to see stuff. Now it reminds me of him.

521
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: He was the first dude uh uh, like Tim Hardaway

522
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: was doing it. You know, he the o G but

523
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: he faus on that thing pump fake and here hit

524
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: you with the pump fake and have everybody, hey, man,

525
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy. He's playing in the Big Three

526
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: and just played in the Big Three championship, and I

527
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: love him. I learned professionalism and he's immaculate. He had

528
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Tourette syndrome. I sat there and watched him tire shoe

529
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: as a teammate. I saw him not eat a certain

530
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: periods of time in the season, him and the che Malajuan,

531
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and it was incredible to me. I couldn't. I was

532
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: like wow, Like I was like, I got stepped it up. Definitely.

533
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, he better than me. He more disciplined than me.

534
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm smoking, I'm drinking forties. I'm like, I gotta

535
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: I gotta tone it down a little bit. You know

536
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If I'm the last and so I

537
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: look that, That's what I actually take from my Denver

538
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: experience because I led the team and Assis like I got.

539
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: I still have the Dinver Nuggets Rookie record for Assis Like.

540
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: It was fun playing there. We made the playoffs. My

541
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: second year we lost to the Spurs. That's the year

542
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: David one m VP. That's the year they had the

543
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: best record in the league. He has seventy in the game.

544
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: May year he was killing. Yeah, he was killing. You

545
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: recently spoke on burning through that money your first contract.

546
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that because the first time I know,

547
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: y'all know what you mean. I know y'all know six

548
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: you know at the end of every summer my ship

549
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: was a red. It's important to say it. It's important

550
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: to say so many times, like as black men in particular,

551
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: we can't share our pain because it makes us like

552
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: look weak or afordable. Salt. No, man, I'm telling you,

553
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna Hey, man, that first contract all gone, all

554
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: gone buying and you're learning. Like when I was at school,

555
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know I didn't have a cred. I didn't

556
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: know my credit report, like now, that's normal. That's like

557
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: a normal thing, and track and follow and know about

558
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: that and so. And it's different when you get paid

559
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: or get drafted and you move your family to the

560
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: suburbs versus if they already lived there. That's a whole

561
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: different dynamic. My family didn't live in a lot. So yes,

562
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: and you're invested in everybody's dreams. But I'll just tell everybody,

563
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: just just try to teach people how to fish. And

564
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: most of the people that's ever gonna be mad at

565
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: you is when you stopped feeding him once you do

566
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: the most for Yeah, anybody that's walk in the face

567
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: of this earth that act like they dislike me and

568
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: they know me, it's because I've given them money and

569
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: I've stopped. That's the only reason my time, my energy,

570
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: my money. It ain't because I talked crazy to them,

571
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: and ain't because I went behind their back and tried

572
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: to get what they significant other ain't none of that.

573
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: It's because I stopped feeding the water off. That's why

574
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: that says about that person, correct, That's why they too.

575
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Like you said, when you're look in at the mirror,

576
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you can't you can't lie to yourself. Two years in Denver.

577
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Um off to Indiana from Mark Jackson, Rickey Price. Um,

578
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: what was your That was kind of your first introduction

579
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: to the business of the game. And that summer I

580
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: got traded. That's the summer Tupac got killed. I was

581
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: supposed to go to that fight on the Bruce Selton

582
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: Fight water place there. I used to go to all

583
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: of the Typson fights and I was supposed to go

584
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: to that fight. So I remember that mob deep. I

585
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: just up Street Live. I was going back and forth.

586
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: I just got trade offs, playing it the whole way.

587
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: And when I first got to the pacer, I was like,

588
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: oh man, I get to play red. Yeah, I get

589
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to do that all whatever. Whatever. But Larry Brown different.

590
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: I didn't like the fact that they traded me for

591
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: somebody that he liked a lot, Mark Jacksons, and he

592
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: held it against me. Gave me fifteen DMPs that year.

593
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: He tried to he tried to get me out of

594
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: the league. He brought me in the office one time.

595
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: He was like, Chris and Jawan are up here, Ray

596
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: and Jimmy are down here, and I ain't like that.

597
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: By the way, He's like, I'm gonna determine which way

598
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: you go. WHOA. I got up. This is then Marcus

599
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: Square and I was like, no, you ain't. I got

600
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: to walk right out the office. I was on that.

601
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: I was on that then, like I look at myself.

602
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: You I look at ballhead Jalen like he was hazardous

603
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: to my health. You know what I'm saying, like for

604
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: like for real. But he was trying to get me

605
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: out the league and the next year, but I applauded

606
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: Donnie Washing because Donnie Wash brought me in. He's the

607
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: president Jim of the Pacers. Kim and Larry have a

608
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: close relationship. They actually went to college together and with roommates.

609
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that. And he was like,

610
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: I've been talking a lot with Larry, and don't be

611
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: surprised if you're here longer than he is. I just

612
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: need you to be patient, be professional this year. I

613
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: need you to trust I loved called mafia don He's like,

614
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I need you to trust me. I was like, all right,

615
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: So regardless of whether I wasn't playing or not, I

616
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: started making practice and practice my game too. Um follow

617
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: what Donnie told me. And the next year Larry left

618
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: and went to Philly. Then Larry bird came in Larry

619
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Burns like, I'm gonna give you a chance to do

620
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: your thing. Yeah, that's when I start balling. Who was

621
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: the vest of land On when he was with the Pacers,

622
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: David Bars Well, it's like all different good relationships were

623
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: there when I came. Absolutely for the love. I used

624
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: to tell him that that's to remember when he got it.

625
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: That's a little bro and play with him. Jonathan and

626
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Jo when they were young. I love all of them.

627
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: Speak to JB real quick. He was hey man, take

628
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: off on the free throw line with his left hand,

629
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: with his left hand, shoot threes and his body just

630
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: failed them. That's it. He could shoot the three, he

631
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: can jump off two ft, he could jump off one

632
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: for his He just he groups, in my opinion, so fast,

633
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: so young, and just like so frail. Body just broke

634
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: down the knees. Kept with bro. He'll practice one day,

635
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: he said, out thirty days in practice one day and

636
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: do something. Practice incredible, Bro, this dude get healthy, incredible

637
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: and so I love. I love that. But I would

638
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: say um for basketball reasons. Mark Jackson, because while I

639
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: was trying to learn how to play off the ball

640
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: from Reggie and come off screens. I didn't come off

641
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: screens in college. I had the ball. So I'm playing

642
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: with Mark and Reggie. Mark like it was funny. They're like,

643
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: your job is to going to this schooll know the

644
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: single double a little and go opposite every time, and

645
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: then a couple of times, you know, you feel like

646
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna go under and pop out without set in

647
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: the screen, like, oh, I ain't gonna going to you.

648
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I've been in that position.

649
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what I used to call him. You

650
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm like, I got to patch on his eye. Man,

651
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: I didn't even see me. I know. He's like, and

652
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: so he like, you ain't want to play? Got you?

653
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I got you because I

654
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: was a lot of times me and Travis was even

655
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: being backup point guard. I was a point forward. So

656
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: I need to learn from Reggie and I need to

657
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: learn from Mark. So Mark top five and assistant Reggie

658
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: one of the greatest shooters of all time. That was

659
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: perfect for me, and so those guys and Larry Bird

660
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: played for Larry Bird three years and Larry is awesome.

661
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: Carlisle was on the staff and so that that was

662
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: a great experience, great opportunity. We made it to the

663
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: only finals for the franchise, and so that was a

664
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: good look. Any any cooler crazy stories about Larry Yeah,

665
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: um uh oh yeah, last dance, Like the rest of

666
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: the world see that as the last dance, like they

667
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: beat us, you know what I'm saying. So I don't

668
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: really love that documented as much of everybody else. Um,

669
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: after we lost that game in to the Bulls, so

670
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: we're the only team to take him the seven games.

671
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: So this is after Larry Brown was benching me. I

672
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: got fifteen DMPs and then Larry Bird came in. So

673
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: this team didn't make the playoffs. When I was getting

674
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: we didn't make the playoffs. The next year, we was

675
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: in game seven against the Bulls and he used to

676
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: conversa The next season, they set the same team just

677
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I was playing and we made a couple of moves.

678
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: We brought Mark back like the same And in that game,

679
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, I made two straight shots and they called

680
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: time out, and y'all know, going to the time we

681
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: got this done, I'm jumping up and down and in

682
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: the time out he took me out the game. I

683
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: was pissed. I was mad, like nobody else in the

684
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: world in my mind was even care. I was like,

685
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: I can't believe it just happening. And I didn't go

686
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: back here, So like the last five minutes, I'm sitting

687
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: over there, I can't believe I ain't go back in.

688
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: And this is before I have media responsibilities. They had

689
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: to go to Reggie, had to go to Larry, so

690
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: I ain't really had to talk to the media. So

691
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: I basically took a shower peel, jumped on the bus

692
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: like I was pissed, and I felt like I was

693
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna sit in the back and uh not talked to

694
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, and so I walked up. I was like, damn,

695
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: Larry already on here, you know what I'm saying. And

696
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: I was like I was gonna wait for some other people,

697
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: but like I was so early, I was like, damn,

698
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't have to walk past them. I was like,

699
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: I letn just walk past him or not even saying.

700
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna just walk past him. And

701
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: our team did that too. When y'all watched Last Dance,

702
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: Black Shoes, Black Sox ball Heads, Rick Smits went right

703
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we just walking like like a kid

704
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: mad at their parents, like let me just walk past

705
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: him and not say no. And he's like, Jalen, that's

706
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: where I got that Kobe voice from an eight one

707
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: that's still ring in my mind. That was Larry. Jalen

708
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: turned around like all right, coach. He had a beer

709
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: in his hand. He's like, I funked up. I should

710
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: have got you back out there. That feels good, though,

711
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: don't help, but it feel good. Coaches don't do that now. Never.

712
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: Coaches don't do that. They pride, never, especially him. Right,

713
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: you got to say that to me even if he

714
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: felt like that, he didn't have to say that to me.

715
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: And I know it's a real ship though, And I

716
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: was like, I will say nothing else about it. I'll

717
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: let it go right there. Next year, I was when

718
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: I wanted most improved. I went from like being like

719
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: the six seventh man until he put me in star lineup.

720
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: He did make it up to me, so I'm forever grateful. Well,

721
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: memories where you take from the two thousand finals experience

722
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: against the Lakers shock of monster, I mean, you know

723
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: you have to go through the finals and know that though,

724
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: but it was different then. It was different then because

725
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: in Orlando. It was like the younger, more athletic shock

726
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: and then like later in his career, people got to

727
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: see like the the powerful, like right in front of

728
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: the rim shock, but like two thousand, like he was

729
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: playing d on picking rolls still, like blocking shots, like

730
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: he was blocking shots exactly, and he was like will

731
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: against us. He was like forty and he's making his

732
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: free throws. But but another great thing, man, is Kobe's

733
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: coming out party. When he hit us with to get

734
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: down and lay down. That was dope because he was

735
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: arguing with their bench, Like I used to hear feel

736
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: yelling that Kobe passed the ball, move the ball, get

737
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: off of it. We're like, yeah, yeah, get off of it.

738
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what game he watches, right, and Shoq

739
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: filed out and man cold, I love Cole so much.

740
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: He went to work on us and then hit that

741
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: jumper at the top of the kid and he did

742
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: this that wasn't even to us, That was to his

743
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: team because they didn't even believe he was looking at

744
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: what he did and looking at oh no. When Cole

745
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: first got drafted to the probably shouldn't say I'm just

746
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: trying not to say too much of what I know.

747
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: But like Cole was resented by his own teammates as

748
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: old teammates. I couldn't believe it. They was hating on him.

749
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, why y'all gonna hate on him? Because he

750
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: was that confident. But he he even like go out

751
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: he dreamed. We was in college, he was Laker campus chilling.

752
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: I worked out with him that one summer, and you know,

753
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Rob ended up being this agent. I was with them

754
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and Covid I you know, you'll there, We're gonna go

755
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: out to the workout. Were gonna go get a massage.

756
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I went to the little spot,

757
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: little Burke Spine, Santa Monica or whatever I would and

758
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: got it in. I'm in l A got my little

759
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: spot in Santa Monica getting it in. He went back

760
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: to the gym, and I ain't even realized he was

761
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: doing it. He was going back to the gym, and

762
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: so like for him to me to watch him from

763
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: like ninety six when he got drafted and I wasn't

764
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: even appreciated by his own teammates to like being that

765
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: moment where Shaq was ended up being like the fourth

766
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: first forty six minutes of the game, and he ended

767
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: up being the last two. And that's why I started

768
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: calling him like the remix of MJ. Because to me,

769
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: he looked like m J. He sounds like m J,

770
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: moved like MJ, and the next best thing, but he

771
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: the next that thing. Man, ain't No, ain't nobody top Like.

772
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: I love Brian and I know people we do all

773
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: these top five lists, but every time I do a list,

774
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: I do tell myself, why did I put Brian over cold?

775
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: I say that, Yeah, I think he can't. I can't. Okay, Okay,

776
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: I just can't. With all due respect, I don't. Yeah,

777
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Bran is something that we've

778
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: never seen before. He is the one of the once

779
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: in the life Jo talent. Yeah. Still, that's good. I

780
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: just it's a different animal when you're talking about being

781
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: especially lining up against him and knowing him as a person,

782
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. When you know him as

783
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: a person and you know him on the court, then

784
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: you'll understand what we're saying. Man, when he torched us

785
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: for eighty one, that Niggro didn't say one word. That

786
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: commercial was hilarious to thank you, hey famous, Hey, Now

787
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: somebody do one crawl sober crazy, so dog, that's why

788
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: we had to take it because if he says something,

789
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: now you can hack him, you can try to triple

790
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: t you can try to hurt him or whatever. I

791
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: don't I mean, but that's the game was just different, y'all,

792
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: like football when you went over the middle back in

793
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, I just just like the second file

794
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: was harder than the first one. Sometimes that just how

795
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: the game was. Quite a lot of people that don't

796
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: like contact shooting jump Yeah, that's yeah, that that that

797
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: the last four minutes of the game. Sometimes as long

798
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: as right dog, he didn't say a word. He was like,

799
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't play golf, but I would assume it's like

800
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: what tigers like locked in against the course. We were

801
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: just ponds. We were just bugs on the windshield. It

802
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: was incredible, and I wasn't go disrespect the game like

803
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I had already tried to hurt him in the finals

804
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: pay back. I already tried that it works. I wanted

805
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: to get injured. I just wanted to get hurt. Like

806
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: he would have had three and I had one. What's

807
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: the what's the what's the huddle? Like? Though, when he

808
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: really starts cooking in the second half. What y'are saying

809
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: in the huddle, Well, I'm telling I just saw Sam

810
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: Mitchell at our kids volleyball games, So I mean to

811
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: be like old wounds type of thing. But yeah, we're

812
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: in this. We are in the huddle like dollars double.

813
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: If you really look at that game, we just playing

814
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: dog no dog. He's playing to three zone. You get

815
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: eight zone. We're playing two three zone like didn't matter.

816
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. And for everybody like they want to

817
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: do something special in their lives. Like I always used

818
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: Kobe as an example because like his focus and discipline

819
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: is incredible to me, Like I look at people like

820
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: that like you can have it. I ain't willing to

821
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: you can have it. That's what he had. He was consumed,

822
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: obsessed by the game. We knew it. I told you

823
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: he had to kill this. He was focused man, that

824
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: he was different. How did that commercial come about? So

825
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: no question? Shout to his lovely wife Vanessa and prayers

826
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: to the family. I saw them. Um, yeah at the

827
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: Palms Hotel. I used to go there. I used to

828
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: play crash dash, like the comb and Milucy used to

829
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: own the Kings or whatever. I used to be there

830
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think it was date night for

831
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: him and the wife, and I saw them at the Telly.

832
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean I saw them at the restaurant, and of

833
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: course I was gonna go in there and say what

834
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: because I used to always going there, Like they just

835
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: lost the dish I used to like, and I was like, damn,

836
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: they go cold. Go say what up to him? And

837
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: I looked down at the table and they had a

838
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: few martinis on the table. I was like, oh, yeah,

839
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: getting it in, okay, good, you know, congratulations whatever, whatever,

840
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: And the image always stuck with me, and I was like,

841
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: all right. And so when the idea was pitched to

842
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: me initially about doing a pilot Jane and versus everybody,

843
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: like a like a spin about like being in the

844
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: media and being a single dad and all of that

845
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: was pitched to me. One of the things we thought

846
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: about was doing something that related to the eighty one

847
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: point game. And we were talking more and more about it,

848
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's let's pretend he like something

849
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: about eighty one Martinez. That's that. That's because because to me,

850
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: it was just two of them and they probably had

851
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: like four or five glasses. It looked like ten or

852
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: left right. That image always stuck with me because I

853
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: never saw him have fun right right, I never saw

854
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: him have fun. I did you know? I didn't. I

855
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: didn't until you called me and I went out with

856
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: him and Kobe. I brought him out and what was

857
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: its me? And to get it in up? Like jack,

858
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: Jack you're doing, I'm like, ship, do whatever? Want to

859
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: go out? Cold? Want to go out? You would always

860
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: go to my room and I would go smoke and

861
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: be what you're doing? So, I don't know, we Milwaukee, bro,

862
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: Let's do something right there. And so literally, um, we

863
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: asked him to be on NBA Countdown that morning. I

864
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: think he had to arrive at like ten or eleven,

865
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: and so we kind of wrote up the treatment and

866
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of sent them the idea of how I wanted

867
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: to shoot the pilot and he loved it. And the

868
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: thing is that I love so much about it is

869
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: I gave that away. If you look at it, it

870
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: has no logos on it, it has no advertisement, like

871
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: I paid for that. I shot it. I put it out,

872
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: my name not even on it. Like people see it

873
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 1: and try to clown me, not realizing that it is mine.

874
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: That I produced it. You see what I'm saying. I

875
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: did that for him because like, I'm such a fan

876
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: of his. And he took that and met a guy

877
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: that worked on my show, Jalen and Jacobe, and he

878
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: hired him and that became a production partner that he

879
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: used become a war winning producer. Appreciate that, and he

880
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: hired him to work for his production. I love the

881
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: backstory because I never like, I was like, damn, they

882
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: came with Jaden of that idea or that was cold,

883
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: like I didn't know who it was, but it was

884
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: super creative. It was dope. It was dope, man, And

885
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate him coming through and and not not to

886
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: make it too somber, but like lost him way too young, man,

887
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: last lost him way too young. He was really like,

888
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: like the best, but he was so that's he was

889
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: so obsessed. I mean we were talking to me. The

890
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: next twenty years is gonna be bigger than the first.

891
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, bro, he was the hell of a

892
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: player at the corn I don't know how then, but

893
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: he was dead being on the next twenties gonna be

894
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: big an investment game going on, Like killing him man

895
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: going way too soon man, going way too soon. D

896
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: Um back to Indiana real quick before we get up

897
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: at the Indian of the Days. The first person in

898
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: eight years to lead the patients and scoring with the

899
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: last name not being Miller. You're taking on a whole

900
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: new role for this franchise. How did that make you feel?

901
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: The person? I took pride in it. That was that

902
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: was probably the most important year of my career. So

903
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: this way you're six is sp exactly. And this is

904
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: at a time where I signed basically two deals in

905
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: the league, a seven year deal in a six year deal.

906
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of how it was now like players exactly.

907
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: And so I thought I was gonna have an out

908
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: after my fourth year, and I ended up going to

909
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: arbitration and losing the arbitration, so I needed to play

910
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: the six years. So this is like an important thing

911
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: for me to go out and ball while I'm getting minutes.

912
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Larry's the coach, and the number one thing I want

913
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: to say is that I appreciate Reggie for embracing me

914
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: and a future Hall of Famer, and I saw him

915
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: do that with you guys too. He did the exact

916
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: same thing for us Jail when we first came y'all

917
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: when y'all was balling. He wasn't jealous, he wasn't hating.

918
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: He wanted to win. But when the game was on

919
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: the line, we get a big shot, I ain't a

920
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: worry about it. We don't give it to Redge. We

921
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: don't give it to Redge. And if he shot the

922
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: volume with threes, their players shoot now, oh my goodness.

923
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: And he came off screens to see most of these

924
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: guys spot up and shoes. He came on screens, he

925
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: could do flair, single doubles, fades maybe maybe like three

926
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: or four or five at the most. Yeah, it was

927
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: like you missed one or two, you gotta drive, especially

928
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: if you like six six or aboves like you. You

929
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: set it for too many jump shots. Now that's normal.

930
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: So that meant a lot to me. I worked a

931
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: lot on my game. Rick Carlisle, he was somebody used

932
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: to go to his hotel room at night, have a

933
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: couple of beers or some wine, and he taught me

934
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: how to watch film and how to come off screens

935
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: and play with red and work hard on my game

936
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: and work on my post game. And if Reggie gonna

937
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: be coming off screens, you know if he comes off

938
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: your side, you gotta be at the duck. Yeah, that's

939
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: your chance to get you a bucket. Like oh basketball

940
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: offensive minds in the league. Yes, yes, he like you

941
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: like that right block, Reggie, come off that side, you

942
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: can dunk right there. You can get you a post up.

943
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: And then so so he really helped my game, and

944
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: so it meant a lot that we were winning and

945
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: we did something that the franchise hadn't did, sent did

946
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: before then, and hadn't done since then. And to play

947
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: against the Knicks that that yeah, because they had Spree

948
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 1: and Alan Houston when Wire, Patrick Ewing and b Yeah,

949
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: like they that was crazy. So to play and to

950
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: beat them, and we played against AI, I think that's

951
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I want MVP. Y'alls. Hey, I get underrated

952
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: by history too. You can't stop a No, it wasn't.

953
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 1: Ai averaged over thirty. Then he would murder the leader.

954
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: I'll put tent on that right now. Right now. I

955
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: can't touch him because he was getting beat up, were

956
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: beating him up, getting beat up, We was beating him up.

957
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: Puttin on it right now. I can see him as easy.

958
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: He made free throw ols too, and he became a

959
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: three point shooter. He only shot like three three or

960
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: four three because he was so fast. He didn't even

961
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: have to shoot. People don't know how fast I was.

962
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: Bro He the one created that little like hawk player.

963
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: They throw on the ball and he swept through. You

964
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: can't catch that, man. That's because he was so fast,

965
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: like a football player, like a running back and go

966
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: you go underpop back and sweeping. Yea two thousand, one

967
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: thousand two season, ros was traded to Chicago Bulls with

968
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Travis Best and Normal Richard through your second round picking

969
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: this change with Brad Miller, Ron Mercer. Run a test, Kevin,

970
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: What was that? What was that like? Not a rush Street?

971
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: What was your what was your mind? A lot of

972
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: getting it in a lot of rush Street, A lot

973
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: of testing my professionalism, you know what I mean. They

974
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: got nine wins. It's February, it's cold outside. Man, I

975
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: don't want to do this. You gotta want to do this.

976
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: They got nine wins. They had the worst team in

977
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: the league. I was pissed against shot Town, but that

978
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: season was over. That wasted a whole year. So I

979
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna go there and ball.

980
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: In first game, they had nine wins. We went three

981
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: straight my first three games. Yeah, Ron was in that trade.

982
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah because the crazy thing and shout to Ron end

983
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: up changing his name the meta like he was having

984
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: some some some issues that he needed to sort through

985
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: off the court, and I believe Brad was in the

986
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: last year of his contract. So to them, they felt

987
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: like they was rolling the dice. But like y'all was

988
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: the best pacer team. Yeah, we and so I even

989
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: I rooted for y'all as you know, like y'all was

990
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: the best pacer team. And Ron obviously me and him

991
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: being exchanged for each other. I remember like playing against

992
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: the Pacers and going back to Indy and I think

993
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: it was y'all was playing against the piss thing. Ya

994
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: was playing against it, and I was. I was doing

995
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: Best Day Sports show and it was dope for me

996
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: because it was like the team that I played with.

997
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: So the Simmons was there and knowing them and line

998
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: and there's my hometown team. And I just remember like

999
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: being a member of the Bulls, like I'm about to

1000
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: start my media career. So that's what I did. Literally,

1001
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: that's when I started my media career. But I wanted

1002
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: to be a pro I played eighty three games that year.

1003
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: People don't understand that. We used to pride ourselves on

1004
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: playing every single game everything. No one wanted to missing

1005
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: no games, every single gime I had. I had like

1006
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: a four game consecutive streak and I broke my hand.

1007
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: And like my brother, me and him used to talk

1008
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: about it all the time, like you gotta show up

1009
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: every day, you know, just because you get to the

1010
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: league and a couple of dollars or whatever, you know,

1011
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, not show up for work because that one

1012
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: game can change your life, that one played, that one move,

1013
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: that one whatever. And so yeah, we took pride to that.

1014
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: We made show we played because two things. One Hooper's

1015
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: real Hoopers that knew how to play, and they wanted

1016
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: to play. We didn't want to do that after the

1017
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: game workout, and we damn want to show for practice

1018
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: the practice. I wasn't doing that. Of that, I may

1019
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: show our playing because I'm not staying after that messed

1020
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: up the dinner time in the post game, not showing

1021
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: up for practice and workout. Want I don't plan on playing?

1022
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah exactly, fess club, Yeah exactly. After winning awardsn't

1023
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: taking paces to the finals. Were you excited about to

1024
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: move Chicago. I was excited to be in Chicago. I

1025
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: wasn't excited about the trade there because they had a

1026
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: bad record, but they did it the city of Chicago.

1027
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: It's fired. But you know what, actually one of the

1028
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: things I did in Chicago that I'm proud of, I

1029
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: really start taking more serious my foundation. I remember I

1030
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: had a celebrity weekend, like I literally got the idea

1031
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: from Magic. Magic was the only other person exactly you

1032
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: already know, yes, you already literally like spent it from Magic.

1033
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: And I did it at the United State and the

1034
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: game was at the United Stated. Friday night I had

1035
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: a comedy show it was said the entertainer De Ray

1036
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: Earthquake and D L. Hugley. And then Saturday I had

1037
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: the game and the Shanta did a halftime performance. Yes

1038
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: you know actually gotta do his press in and she

1039
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: turned in man right right, he was parking right And

1040
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: then like what was dope? As we had our night

1041
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: party and MJ came to represent be sure it is

1042
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: so like I had a celebrity weekend in Chicago, which

1043
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: was dope, But uh, I was just like I'm gonna

1044
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: be a pro show up every night and get buckets

1045
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: from Chicago three and a half. I was there. I

1046
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: was on it. I was on it. So you end

1047
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: up getting traded to the Raptors. What was I love

1048
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: Toronto off the court, one of the greatest places. What

1049
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: was what was the experience going like they're going over

1050
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: the border actually not being too far from home. But

1051
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: was that experience in Toronto? Like it was dope? I

1052
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: love the fans of Toronto. I still go back there

1053
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: and spend a lot of time. The one thing I

1054
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: hated about my experience in Toronto is that they trade events.

1055
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: That's where I went to play with events. I got there,

1056
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, like he was going back and forth with

1057
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: the organization. It was like leaking stupid stuff about like

1058
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: where his mother parking. I'm like, man, that's Vince Carter man.

1059
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't care. And the other thing is give him

1060
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: the ball. Give Vince the ball, move on, I don't

1061
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: thank you for drawing this up. It looks amazing by

1062
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 1: the time we get the half court, Give Vince the ball?

1063
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: What is we doing? Like y'all know he could shoot, crazy, athletic,

1064
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: he unstoppable. Get him going downhill. That that frustrated me

1065
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: so much that I came at a time where like

1066
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: their greatest player was at odds with the organization and

1067
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with basketball. Yeah, he has

1068
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: some injuries, and you know it wasn't healthy all of

1069
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: the time, but it's Vince Carter. And they traded while

1070
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: I was there, and I never forget it was like

1071
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: they did a trade to the Nets. I was like,

1072
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: was it for Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson and Alonso

1073
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: already said he wasn't going to Toronto, And so now

1074
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you clearly a worse subvert, worse

1075
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: subversion of yourself, and you know that's that's that kind

1076
01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: of disappointed my experience. So two thousand and seven comes, um,

1077
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: are you at piece of the decision? What drove you

1078
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: into actually saying it's time for me to step away

1079
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: and and see what's next in life? It was crazy.

1080
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: I had a chance to go play in Portland's I

1081
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: had a chance to go playing Washington at the end

1082
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: of that year, and I just played in Phoenix. We

1083
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: had the best regular season record. We lost to the Spurs.

1084
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: That's the year Robert orry hip check check to the

1085
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: board and uh MARII and uh got s Yeah that

1086
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: was dumb stupid. Yeah, I was done, like that rule

1087
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: is just stupid. Um. But anyway, and so I just

1088
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: remember telling myself like, damn, I'm I'm getting more I

1089
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the season, I was like,

1090
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: I can't be getting more tickets. Then I'm playing minutes

1091
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: right like damn, I got tent tickets and they played

1092
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: like five minutes. That ain't good. Yeah, like th ain't good?

1093
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: Like am I washed? And then I was like I

1094
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: became a part of the fitness club because Mike D'Antoni

1095
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: only play seven and a half players. He ain't even

1096
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: looking down at the other eight, like he's gonna play

1097
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: seven and a half maybe eight. The eighth player gonna

1098
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: play like twelve minutes or less. And I was in

1099
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: less And so in my mind I treated that year

1100
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: like it was my my last year. Like I made

1101
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: moves like if this is it cool? So when I

1102
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: got done, I had a couple of chances. I pondered

1103
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: it for a couple of weeks and then I just

1104
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna started working in the media, and I

1105
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: took a job at ESPN. I was I was literally

1106
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: like doing NBA tonight and I was like coming on

1107
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: like to thirty in the morning. I was like graveyard

1108
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: ship being in Britain before NBA or ESPN was a

1109
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: hunt for the NBA. No out. This is like two

1110
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty days in Bristol, Like you had to

1111
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: want to do this, like apple Bees at the most,

1112
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I learned a couple of

1113
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: spots there. I had like whatever cookies at the Hotel

1114
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: Bristol in the microwave. But yeah, it was It was

1115
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for me to work in media. So

1116
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: I had already had like four or five year experience

1117
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: and so I was just like, I'm gonna go full

1118
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: time and do it. And that's your question, what are

1119
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: you doing? Fox and ESPN at one point. So that's

1120
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: why I always tell people, that's why I call you

1121
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: the blueprint. We both end up doing that too, But

1122
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: Jalen was the first, definitely to work Fox at the

1123
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: same damn at the same time I was doing. Because

1124
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like you've got two sides

1125
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: to your brain, mm hmm. Like I said, you talk

1126
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff. They could just bring you

1127
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: on the play football. I know he played football, you

1128
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so what ended up happening.

1129
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about earlier. Don't just put

1130
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: us in the box. You could bring you on the

1131
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: top it maybe. And by the way, Dog, I love you, man,

1132
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: I love you too well. I gotta tell you something

1133
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: in particular. I want to talk about what you did

1134
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: with George Floyd, your brother man. And hey, Dog, you

1135
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: deserve a Nobel Peace Prime. You know, he and I

1136
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: are more like the quote unquote politicians than you. That

1137
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: was you, Dog, that's like that. That's why I'm glad

1138
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: Milwaukee won the championship because they were the first team

1139
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: not to play. I knew Janice was gonna get rewarded

1140
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: for nobody. Don't think of that. I know he was

1141
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: gonna get rewarded. I knew he was gonna get rewarded.

1142
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: They stood on the table that changed everything. You changed everything.

1143
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: I think he led the biggest protests in the history

1144
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: of our country, in the history. You know what I mean, Dog.

1145
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: I know, probably with your DMS, your emails and your

1146
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: corporate partners, probably we're saying to you, I lost a lot.

1147
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: I know, you know what I mean. But you know what,

1148
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: you didn't lose your integrity. I still got your than

1149
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: it ain't for sale. It is not for sale. Like

1150
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: you deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, bro, And if you

1151
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: ain't get it yet, you're gonna get one. You're gonna

1152
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: get one. Imagine that we're gonna smoke to that. Yeah, yes,

1153
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: and I might, I might too. Projects for real, that's

1154
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: a book for real, for real. Positives and negatives of

1155
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: being the face or one of the faces for ESPN

1156
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: in basketball for a long time too. I think, uh,

1157
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: I think one of the negatives is as a former player,

1158
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: sometimes they assume that we're replaceable. So like if you

1159
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: think about like the host to do the jobs, or

1160
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: the game announcers to do the job, or even the

1161
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: reporters to do the job, like they can have those

1162
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: jobs if they've proven to be good basically thirty years.

1163
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: But the former players, like well, Matt starting that he

1164
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: used to come fit team minutes early, not only coming

1165
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: four team minutes early. You know, like well you know

1166
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: it's such and such about to retire songs, so maybe

1167
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: you know, and so that's the thing I've always tried

1168
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: to like come back, like we have the ability to

1169
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: reinvent ourselves too, and when we prove that we're good

1170
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: at what we do, allow us to continue to ride

1171
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 1: like that. Like sho Be Brown be getting checks talking

1172
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 1: great basketball for a long time. Ain't nobody coming to

1173
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: him saying you slow down a little bit, or we're

1174
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: gonna replace you with somebody because a long time ago

1175
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 1: he proved himself to be elite, like we prove ourselves

1176
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: to be elite. But just because somebody that now is

1177
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: in the game about to retire and they're like, well,

1178
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna talk to Mad about replacing Jack.

1179
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, you know this George Floyd stuff that he's doing.

1180
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: You gotta talk to you guy. I know you got

1181
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: those conversations. I know how this works. You know what

1182
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean. Y'all got partners, he got partners. You got

1183
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: a family, he got a family. I know. That's why

1184
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: I love y'all. But we kept the real conversation right.

1185
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm my biggest supporting the whole time. Y'allo wasn't put

1186
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: together by the label. It is organic, and so that's

1187
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to me. Like being in that position

1188
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: is a lot of times it seems like I've proven myself.

1189
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: But in theory, what you don't realize is a lot

1190
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: of times they be poting to replace you. And it

1191
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: ain't even because you ain't good at your job no more.

1192
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,520
Speaker 1: It's because you are vet now and you're more expensive,

1193
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: so we get the cheaper option. Yesterday's price is not

1194
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: today's prices, no doubt, can't be. Can't be. Touchback on

1195
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: co before we get up out of here. Where were

1196
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: you at the day you found out about his accident.

1197
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: I was in Miami and I was getting ready. My

1198
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: birthday is January and I was getting ready because we

1199
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: had the game. It would ended up being the first

1200
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: game since he lost, since we lost them. So I

1201
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: was already planning on going into l A that week,

1202
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: and when I heard the news and I digested it

1203
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: was happening. I don't say this because like I think

1204
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm hard or like I think I'm tougher something, but

1205
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: like I've had a lot of like like things happen

1206
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: in my life, like you guys have to, like a

1207
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: lot of turbulent things. But this is probably sad, But

1208
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: not many of them make me cry, you know what

1209
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Not many of them make me cry, Like

1210
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't even want to relive some of the some

1211
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: of my toughest moments. But then when I look back

1212
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: at him, like I didn't cry, like when I heard

1213
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: about cold, I did cry, and um, I was at

1214
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: uh it was like this Brazilian restaurant. Um, and I

1215
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't believe it. Yeah, And as I

1216
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: got more details about like what he was attempting to do,

1217
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: would he hope to get accomplished and would they hope

1218
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: to get accomplished? Travel from point A to point B,

1219
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: so that like he could continue to like be a mentor,

1220
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: dad and ambassador like I never met my father, and

1221
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: like I love watching him be a dad. Love watching

1222
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: y'all be dads because I had a time with my

1223
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: life when since if you're not with you know, your

1224
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: your ex or whatever, like that means time and space.

1225
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: And then when time and space happens, sometimes you don't

1226
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: necessarily have the best relationship with your kids. And I

1227
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: had that happened to me for a minute. So I

1228
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: always appreciate when I see Lebron and CP three and

1229
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: Steph like dad's you know what I mean, Like we

1230
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: need that, our culture needs that, because like they're not

1231
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: that imagery isn't embraced enough. That's why I love LaVar Ball.

1232
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: He was right, both of his kids getting the max

1233
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: starting at the point. He was right, and Cole was

1234
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: right what he did with the w n B A

1235
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: and how he loved the game, what he was doing

1236
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: with his daughter's daughter had games that move on the

1237
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: right side. She didn't turnaround jumper. She had games that's

1238
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: Maya Moore. I looked. I was like, that's Maya Moore.

1239
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,560
Speaker 1: And man, I just I prayed for his family and

1240
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: not to get too political, but I was disappointed. It

1241
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: seemed like where his wife kind of couldn't come out

1242
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: of our with the shoe company. Man, I gotta get

1243
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: that right. They gotta come into the office with the

1244
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: blank check. That started to keep it g because that

1245
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: started before while he was still here. That started he

1246
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: was still not having his shoes continuing. Come on, man,

1247
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: because like come on, like like like all the players

1248
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: now that's they enjoyed, and you know what they're doing.

1249
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: They are recycling the shoes that's out, that's all they wear.

1250
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, whatever checkbook, m J and

1251
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: Brian got y'all gotta be giving him that that that's

1252
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: what supposed to be happening. I ain't got to be

1253
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: in the room. That's what's supposed to be happening for them.

1254
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: Some real bullshit, you know what I'm saying. So like,

1255
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna hold his legacy down. And that's why I

1256
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: loved I. One of the best things ever happened to

1257
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: me was I played in that game where he score

1258
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: eight one. That's one of my favorite like moments in

1259
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: my life because I now get to represent the legacy

1260
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: of Kobe Bryant the best way I can man, and

1261
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: he deserved that. He definitely deserves well. Him and Dwight Cool.

1262
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: So I could just say this, he donated to j R.

1263
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: L A two. He gave us some shoes. He was

1264
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,879
Speaker 1: about to touch on that, Yeah he did. He donated

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Speaker 1: to our school. He was gonna visit the school. And

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01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: I was speaking at his camp the day he he

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01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: he heard I should say that the day he heard

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01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: Dwhite Howard was gonna get traded to them. How did

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: that go? So? So, Cole take the call. I'm sitting there.

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna I'm sitting right there, and I might

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: have heard some of the conversation, and I might have heard.

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: Do I asking him about l A and you know,

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01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: some of the off the court things and that's not

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01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: his whatever the wrong questions D and Kobe got off

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01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: the phone said this ship ain't gonna work. I'm talk

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01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: to him about the party. That's exactly what he said.

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01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: This is before he even laced up with him one time.

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: He said his head ain't right. He said, mofo, I'm

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: here to help if you get championships. That's it. We

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01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: know him. You're asking me about producers like He's like,

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01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: this ain't work. And so that's what I love about

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: cod his dedication. It was almost psychotic. Y'all got an

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01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: iconic moment. Yeah, I mean similar. I mean for people

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01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: don't understand, like he came that that summer he called

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01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: me and to come be a Laker, and then that's

1286
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: when we went from teammates to brothers to like really cool.

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: That's how we got so close after that because he

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01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: took my kids in and then post career, we're both

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01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: coaching every weekend at the same tournaments, and he would

1290
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: come watch the twins, we would go watch g He

1291
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: would send the twins all their new shoes, the whole team,

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01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: their new shoes. So that's what it's funny you said

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: that with the one. I mean, it's not something that

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: damn he gave us eighty one or damn my ball fake,

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01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: But that was kind of our ways into the connection

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01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: that we have for a lifetime with him, no doubt,

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: and the Barnes boys killing him many trying to do

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01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: their thing. Man, they're smart, they work hard. Mank you

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: touch on. Man, Your academy, I think to me, is

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01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: so far you see. I mean obviously with with with

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01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, just do Lebron's academy and

1302
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: what he's done is But but you, yours has been rolling.

1303
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: Your success rate, your graduation rate, your ability to give

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01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: these kids an opportunity to go to college. I don't

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: think that's spoken on enough. So you took your own

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: home real quick before you do that. People don't know

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01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get that started. Oh no,

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01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: we have to have participation of the city. You put

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01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: it in because I spent a half million dollars on

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 1: the gym in my hometown and they were supposed to

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: come and help bring the school. We've never done it.

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01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: So I commend you for getting done. Thank you for

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01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: saying that because you can put all your chips in

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01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: the middle of the table and it could be like

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: driving down the freeway throwing the money out the window.

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01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: That's what you just described with that money, right, And

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: that's what could have happened to me because you got

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01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: to get the charter authorized. That that's the one step.

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01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: So here, I am hired basketball player, have a foundation.

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01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 1: You know, I've helped forty kids go to college. I

1321
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: having done with that. Um, so I want to open

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01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: the school. So of course people looking at me sideways

1323
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I want to write a raise, whatever

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01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: the costs gonna be, because I have to do that

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01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: for two years before the school even opens. So I

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: got to get it authorized. I gotta get a facility.

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01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: I got to create a board. I gotta hire a

1328
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: management company. I gotta hire a staff. You need to

1329
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: recruit st your money me. She'll say, yes, the school

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01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: ain't even open, you know, like it's this is, this

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01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: is I haven't even thought about recruiting a student. It's

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01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: not even And so to do all of that work

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: and you could get denied and like a lot of people,

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01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 1: and I didn't like this at first, Like when Lebron

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: started a school. Like so many people like comparing what

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01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: he's doing to what I'm doing or vice versa, like

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01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm older than him. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: it's not a competition. You know what I'm saying, It's

1339
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: not a competition. What he's doing is dope. Like I

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01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,879
Speaker 1: just said, k d Um donate ten ten million dollars

1341
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: to do something, and kyree Be donate money to do

1342
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: stuff like like the NBA family and like athletes from

1343
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: the NFL, Like we've done a great job of taking

1344
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: our fame, taking our money and like it reinvesting it

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: in our people. And that's all the school was. I

1346
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do something that even if you

1347
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: don't like me, you ain't gonna block me or trying

1348
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: to hate because it's education. But the dirty secret in

1349
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: the United States, and this is why I wanted to

1350
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,879
Speaker 1: really do it. I went to a public school. Unfortunately

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: my kids go to private school. Is that the quality

1352
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: of education is defined by a zip code, right, and

1353
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: so I'm fortunate my kids private school. Thirty five forty

1354
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: thousand suburban public schools. You know, you get sixteen thousand

1355
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: for student in the city to try to get eight thousand,

1356
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: So K through eight, this student gets a hundred thousand

1357
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: dollars invested in their entire opportunity to go to college.

1358
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: Not just not enough, it's just not realistic, and it

1359
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: represents our people the most. And so like, I'm gonna

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01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: change that. Not only am gonna start a school for

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: high school, I'm all, I'm all influence them when they graduate,

1362
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: because you can't even really get a job with a

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: high school Diployma, no more. Now you graduated though, you

1364
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: had the air, like you went to the league, like

1365
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: you like I don't have to tell you like point

1366
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: point point point point one percent, you know, And like

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: most people can't get a job out of high school,

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01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: even working at McDonald's. So we we have them take

1369
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: a sport through an extracurricular activity, and pick a trade

1370
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: while they're in high school. Just something that you might

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: be passionate about though, right, And so now each summer

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01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: we get them a college experience, We get them internships.

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 1: So it's a holistic experience. It's not just about like

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01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: the class work. It's about creating young men and young

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01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: women that are leaders in the community. Because people look

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01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: at us, it's like only see success if we graduate

1377
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: from Harvard. But I see success riding through the neighborhood

1378
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: now young people working at Wing, stop working at um

1379
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,919
Speaker 1: of different restaurants and so working giving back to the community.

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01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: So that's what Jerald has become. A nine through six

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01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: team model. We now have a thousand students that we

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01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: that we serve and it's been incredible being the number

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01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: one school in the city of Detroit for college matriculations.

1384
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: Love it. You touched early in your early on in

1385
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: this conversation about social media, and you didn't have the

1386
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: ability to vent during certain situations. With the way social

1387
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: media is now, Um, how effective or how what kind

1388
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: of how important is it to this generation? Um, with

1389
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: your ability to speak your mind, have your own brand,

1390
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff right at the palm of your hand. Oh,

1391
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: it's awesome because I remember being muzzled for a long time,

1392
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: and as a member of the five five, even or

1393
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: as a college athlete, they don't talk to the players.

1394
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: They talked to the coach, like the coaches to start

1395
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: so like, for so very long, other people told the

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01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: world what to think about me, and I never got

1397
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: a chance to like express myself. So like, that's one

1398
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I wanted to work in the media.

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01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: So like like people seeing you guys now it's funny,

1400
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know Jack, I didn't know Matt. Well,

1401
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: you weren't watching the listener, Like y'all didn't just start

1402
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: like expressing yourself that y'all can't be good at this

1403
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: now if y'all didn't have stuff to say the last

1404
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: twenty years, you've always been outspoken, right, And so like

1405
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: we need our voices, we need our outlets because people

1406
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: try to muzzle us and tell us to shut up

1407
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: and dribble and stick the sports. You know why, because

1408
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: we learned our power and our community. Money is power,

1409
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: famous power, and when you make it, when you make it,

1410
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: when I make it, you got to now go and reinvest.

1411
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: And if you ain't reinvest in to us, you sold out.

1412
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: You forgot where you came from. So I don't even

1413
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 1: look at it as doing anything. And I use social

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01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: media in order to like just spread that word. Like

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't really to be honest, I want to use

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01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: social media for like takes, Like I want to use

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01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: it for like graduation or like like really doing stuff

1418
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: and promoting the things I'm doing. So like I worked

1419
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: for ESPN, I work on Jaylen and Jacobe, I do

1420
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: NBA countdown. Just the country just came from Doha and Cutter.

1421
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: It was it was awesome and and going to Cutter

1422
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: so out there though. So I was chosen to be

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01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: a United States ambassador for the World Cup Games. Thank

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01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: you and love and so now you go there. This

1425
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 1: is a country that just got developed in theory in

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01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: twenty five years. So in shooting, whether you're in New

1427
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: York or l A, you walk around like, man, this

1428
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: is a great building, this is great infrastructure, or this

1429
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 1: is a great body of water. But that's old. Imagine

1430
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: having the money to like modernize everything. So like this

1431
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: is like a new like smart city. And so like

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01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: going to the museum, you hear that words like boring whatever.

1433
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: When I was immaculate, like marble host cilans like areas

1434
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: to play like kids, was having fun, Like I felt

1435
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: like I was in a Side five movie. I'm just

1436
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: looking around the videos. I was like, I was like,

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01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: this is incredible. Same thing when we went to uh

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01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: they have a and Inspire like a workout facility. The

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01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: same we went to a library, Like we went to

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: a library, they had two million books and it seemed

1441
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: like they had two million computers like in the United States,

1442
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: were closing libraries like it's important to them, like it,

1443
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: and so like to see how they embraced their heritage

1444
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: and they spoke English, like I'm from Michigan. One of

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01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: the largest populations of Arabs and Muslims are in the

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01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: state of Michigan. So I've been interacting and understanding and

1447
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: appreciating their culture for a long time. So to get

1448
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: invited over there and to meet some of the most

1449
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: powerful people is a great experience. And I'll definitely plan

1450
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: on going back. Beautiful goals and got the new year

1451
01:25:53,640 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: coming up around the corner goals, that's a great one. Mmmm.

1452
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 1: I wish the Pistons could win the championship or the

1453
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: Lions can win a game my goals. Mm hmm. That's

1454
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: a great question. How y'all lose though, y'all always get

1455
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving games because that's our super Bowl every year. Yeah,

1456
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: let me teach the rest of the world something. Thanksgiving

1457
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: Day in Detroit, that's our Super Bowl. Y'all watching the

1458
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: football game. We're having a parade. Marea there, Marvin Gay there,

1459
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: big there, y'all just missing out that's our super Bowl.

1460
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: And so but they helped make the league a lot

1461
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: of money because they were the first team that wanted

1462
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,839
Speaker 1: to play on Tursday. Now they got Thursday night Football,

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01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: So that's why they kind of got Grandfather then. But

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: my my two goals. Wow, I actually I'm glad I

1465
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: gett asked this question. I would believe that I want

1466
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: to expand my school. Okay, like ten years and we've

1467
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: never had a home game because I took over an

1468
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: elementary school and converted into a high school. And by

1469
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 1: the way, I didn't have a blank check standing behind

1470
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: me to start a school in Detroit full of black kids,

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01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 1: right that was But I'm gonna do this. And so

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01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: one of the challenges that we have is that we

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01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: get zero stay funding for a facility. I converted a

1474
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: middle school and turned it into a high school. So

1475
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 1: we have an elementary school gym that we call a Cathanasium.

1476
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: You know, old school tables out of the walls, and

1477
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: that's like that's what we currently have at the school.

1478
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: And so right now, UM, how much would it take

1479
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,560
Speaker 1: not to cut you off to build a state of

1480
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: the RGM. So right now, UM looking to raise like

1481
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: eight to ten million dollars. I've raised maybe like three

1482
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: and a half of it, um, but I'm really working

1483
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: to get the rest of it because when we do

1484
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: that now, I'm gonna really termed limits in the lemonade

1485
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: because on the northwest side, if you ever know anything

1486
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: about Detrade, it kind of gets forgotten. When people come

1487
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: to Detrade, they swoop in downtown. They're swooping Eastern Market

1488
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: like it's it's really segregated. People never invest in that

1489
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: neighborhood that I grew up in. So just to have

1490
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: that building that's new in that neighborhood is gonna be

1491
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: incredible for the community. Because I opened it up for

1492
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 1: voting for vaccinations, um, the parents are going to have

1493
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: their opportunities to like for mental health and wellness and

1494
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I wanted to be a community hub,

1495
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: and so I believe it's gonna happen. But I went

1496
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: from needing like six million dollars in the price of

1497
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: labor going up with COVID and now other work. They

1498
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: need to get done with the roofs, so it's like

1499
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: a up to a ten million dollar job. So people

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01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 1: watching this, where can they inquire about possibly helping where

1501
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: can they go to j r l a Detroit dot com.

1502
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: At the end of each August, we do a fundraiser.

1503
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for ten years and that's the

1504
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: next goal. I've reached out to Stephen Ross of the

1505
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins and he's gonna donate. Tom Gores of the

1506
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons and Platinum Equity. They've been invested, They've been

1507
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 1: donating and working with Jeep as well. So I got

1508
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot of great sponsors, but it's gonna take a

1509
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: lot more. So definitely appreciate you know, I didn't inquire

1510
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: letting know if me and Jack can come out there

1511
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: and help race just the charity to make it to

1512
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: the hook. Yeah, y'all, when y'all look back at when

1513
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: I started to school, it ain't no blame check standing

1514
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: behind me. We did not have a Marquis. We got

1515
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: a little Marquis now every Friday. We used to have

1516
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: to have a student go up there and change it.

1517
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,520
Speaker 1: And so we've come a long way. So I appreciate

1518
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: that we've had you go, We're gonna uh ended right here, man.

1519
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: First thing to hit your mind. Let us know court

1520
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: side of any sporty being a history which one would

1521
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 1: it be? And why court side of anything? I would

1522
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: say if I needed to be court sor ring side

1523
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: of anything. Yeah, Floyd and Mike they retired, so that

1524
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 1: means history history and history history. Oh um uh Mohammed

1525
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Ali Fight. I've been able to go to a lot

1526
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: of fights and sit front row and have great seats

1527
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But if I could have gone

1528
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: to Muhammad Ali fight, out have been crazy. One album

1529
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: that you list to no skills, No, you can listen

1530
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: to repeat. There's a lot of them. You're hip hop

1531
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: is so it's gonna be help for you. There's a

1532
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: lot of them. Um, reasonable doubt, Thematic, that's what who Yesterday?

1533
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: Southern Playeristic, that's a good one. Um jeez, Mr Scarface

1534
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: m hmm, that's a good one. Shout out to Scarface

1535
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: doing good now missing Mrs Scarface album? Um, so many

1536
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: what about I'm gonna give you one more? What about

1537
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: we'll give your R and B? What about like? What

1538
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,879
Speaker 1: about like a key sweat? I'll be sure in effect

1539
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: mode for Mary j My life, my life and right

1540
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: remember Web did that commercial to uh my life. Remember

1541
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: cab was driving the trail Man. We produced a song

1542
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: for nas on the album dropped a single one Corrupt

1543
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 1: and red Man. Yeah, this is kind of off the chart,

1544
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: but your top five m c s of all time,

1545
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: this is controversial. Some people do it east coast, West

1546
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: coast version. You can do however you want. All right,

1547
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: I'll go because okay, here's a good way for me

1548
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: to do it. Like I was born in seventy three,

1549
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: and that's kind of as raps started to mature. So

1550
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: like when I was little, like Mellie Mill was the

1551
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 1: king at first, Like the message when I first happened

1552
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: like broken glass everywhere when he hit that, a dog

1553
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 1: can't take the smell, can't take the noise that's in

1554
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 1: the front room, like he was um. And then it

1555
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: became run DMC. Yeah, when they hit that, uh that

1556
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: that first album that that that rock box album, the

1557
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: Sucker MCS, it was just like like that was crazy.

1558
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: And then uh l l Erry being rock him. They

1559
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: came Caress One, Big Daddy, came Iced Tea, That's six

1560
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: in the morning. Like I ain't gonna say some of

1561
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: the places I was hanging out listening to that record,

1562
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: but if that record was like an image, you know

1563
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that that that song is worth

1564
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: a thousand words. So I love that. And then in

1565
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: w A like I love w A. They were in

1566
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Detroit when the whole Firecracker thing happened. When they ran

1567
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: on stage. That was at that show, no doubt. I

1568
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: was there. I was there. I was at that. That

1569
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: was crazy. The police did it, damn yeah, police did it.

1570
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So like Solo, mc s don't like just

1571
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: spit bars. Jan Nash well, I got a first poc big.

1572
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Pop the Goat. So let

1573
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: me just make sure before I even I just want

1574
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: to make sure everybody on the same page about you

1575
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Pop the Goat, Like I'm like, there's a song called

1576
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: What's Up with the Love? What's Up with the Love?

1577
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't even realize. That's when I

1578
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 1: used to go to the Bay for Summer Jam, and

1579
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: that's when Park was still with Digital Shout the money

1580
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Be Shout to Clean, shout the shock, rest of piece,

1581
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 1: those my people. And when you look at that first

1582
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: pod Dot money Be had a Michigan five jersey on,

1583
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: like though, like that's Park should have had that role

1584
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: in minute. Imagine the Park wh the brother you know

1585
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: how to see Park had the cap jersey from Yeah

1586
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: he had Yeah and so but like ever sees, I'm

1587
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: gonna take off Park, I'm gonna take off big rest

1588
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: in peace. Ja nas Man like Ja nas Um caress

1589
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: one just say because he's a real hip hopper story

1590
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: and bro really think it. Remember what Caress one was

1591
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: coming back from you? He's like Genesis chopped the leven

1592
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: verse ten oh, like Shim was a black man in Africa.

1593
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: The beat this rap. They can't laugh at you. I

1594
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: was like, um shout the public Enemy too. They just

1595
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: got a Chuck D like he Chuck D took a

1596
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of bullets for us. Chuck D and Public Enemy

1597
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 1: they took them in in the B A and two

1598
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Live Crew, Luke, they took a lot of bullets for

1599
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 1: hip hop for Shure. But uh j nas caress one

1600
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand nice like that three k yeah man,

1601
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: y'all get at your job. Y'all let him think you're

1602
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: supposed to interrupt. You're supposed to let this one time

1603
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: with Jennie when we as Jennie bust the top five

1604
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: Lakers and we intruded. But she's taking heat and not

1605
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: having certain people on that list of the ye I

1606
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: would say, I gotta put on who wanna put scar Face?

1607
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: That one? I love scar Face? Man, he gets so

1608
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: underrated and cue I just got to mention que shout out.

1609
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: Yes indeed, uh top five sports movies all time? Yeah,

1610
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was on William Gates team and I

1611
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,759
Speaker 1: remember thinking like, I don't know all these cameras following

1612
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: him and he about to be playing over me. Yeah dog,

1613
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 1: because they had the one through five and then you

1614
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: go like two through six and then three through set

1615
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: like to do the lineups. And I noticed that they

1616
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: had him at one and they had me at six.

1617
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, naw, dog, I don't know a game, y'all

1618
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: trying to run. I don't know what this is, but

1619
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 1: it ain't going down like this. But unfortunately ended up

1620
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 1: getting hurt. He got hurt, he heard his knee bad

1621
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 1: and so uh but the room hoop dreams, um remember

1622
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 1: the Titans Rocky and uh, I'm glad I remember Rocky. Well,

1623
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 1: that was a TV show. Was a coolie high COOLi

1624
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:07,799
Speaker 1: high cost Pittsburgh. That's when I was little. That was classic. Yeah, cheese,

1625
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: no doubt. You can only bring three sneakers to your

1626
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 1: work trip, which ones you're bringing three three pad Kicks,

1627
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Walma Puma everything now and they support the school because

1628
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: we get zero stay funded for the facility or for sports.

1629
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: Y'all know public schools ain't gonna have sports in twenty years. Really,

1630
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: that's crash sad. Yeah, so I'm bringing the Clade sways.

1631
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I love those like I remember one of the break

1632
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 1: we breakdancing, you know, b Street breaking crush proof, we breakdancing.

1633
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: So I always wanted some some suavee Pumas with some

1634
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: thick shoes strings in them. It's crazy people used to

1635
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: be getting shot kill for them. Um. So yeah, some Pumas,

1636
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: some Clade, some Rouse and some black fives. Five dinner

1637
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: guests dead are alive? Dinner guess Pocket Big. I love

1638
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 1: him so very much, Muhammad Ali Kobe. I want to

1639
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,600
Speaker 1: I want to split the baby with mL K and

1640
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King, I mean Martin Luther Kim and Malcolm X. Yeah,

1641
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Detroit Red, Detroy Red. If you can get anybody on

1642
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: all the smoke, who would it be? But before you

1643
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: you have to help us with you as Okay, I'll try.

1644
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: I think you could do a better job at me, Jack,

1645
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: But you gotta get Kyriel here. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1646
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 1: I've been. That's how you gotta get on the internet

1647
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: because you don't speak. Yeah, we gotta get Kyriel. I've been.

1648
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: I've been on his line to a dog about it.

1649
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: I can't the same Michelle to Michelle's my old assistant.

1650
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: I know he got a lot to he got. He

1651
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: got mad asshole, but I'm starting being an asshole because

1652
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: I got like nine misses without a reply. So hey,

1653
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 1: we know you got a lot to say. Man, we

1654
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Bro. We love you. Like

1655
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: it's George Free zone and this is the only place

1656
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,759
Speaker 1: where you can control your own area. This this George

1657
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: Free zone. Like it takes integrity to walk away from

1658
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars. You gotta want to do that, you

1659
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because because I ain't doing it,

1660
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it. If it will

1661
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: be eighteen million dollars. You better have my last name,

1662
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: like I better birth you. You know I'm saying that.

1663
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: I think about that. I don't know to do something

1664
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: like that if I know somebody gonna take care of

1665
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: my kids if I can't. You know what I'm saying

1666
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: I know that they're realistic, so I can't. I can't

1667
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 1: put my kids in that position. I applaud that man

1668
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: for standing on it, but yeah, you heard it. We

1669
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: need you, um before you get up out of here.

1670
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: You've been synonymous with having one of the cleanest hairlines

1671
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: and can't get out of and on TV. So we've

1672
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: asked a few people this Jason Tator was one. Who else?

1673
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: We just had someone else too? Who uh right now,

1674
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Ben Bleep clean his hairlines in the game Blee got sick.

1675
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: I would say VanVleet, keep us sick on, Paul George,

1676
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: keep us sick not now we're talking about part It's

1677
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: not fair dog because like I know, he don't even

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Speaker 1: have to get a cut. He don't even care. It's

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Speaker 1: way down here. And you know, the funny thing is

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Speaker 1: that when people think I got faith here, but like

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01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 1: I did something like I don't love y'all that much,

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01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: Like I had the ball head. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like you say you don't want me to get my

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Speaker 1: ball head back? You know what i'man. But I would say,

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Speaker 1: Jason Ta, don't keep it. Chrisp War, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: brought off VanVleet. How about Aaron Donald taking his helmet

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Speaker 1: on and on. He keep refreshing to one man and

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01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Blee talked about it. I don't know, DJ Augustine have

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Speaker 1: a fly one TiO, and I just like now that

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Speaker 1: these casts are about, like giving back to the community,

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Speaker 1: taking care of their bread and being fly. I like

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Speaker 1: that being them. I like seeing them getting real money.

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01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 1: They're getting it too. They get real money like forty

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01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: Like I love you, John Wall, just take your time.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to play you man, cash them check stog,

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01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: don't apologize at all. They like, we don't want them

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Speaker 1: to get hurt. So we're gonna pay them to not

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Speaker 1: play forty A man, I am not mad at it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Before we get out

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Speaker 1: of here, man, we got one of our partners, man

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Speaker 1: escapes box with everything to keep you keep your right,

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Speaker 1: so you know you know yeah, And I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you all the secret because I ain't gonna lie because

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Speaker 1: we're family. Just yesterday, I cannot make this up. I've

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Speaker 1: been traveling. I went to do hook Cutter and then

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Speaker 1: I laid over in d C. And yesterday I was

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Speaker 1: about to get me some some clippers the most shavers

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Speaker 1: so I can zoom zoom zoom. Shavers got a little

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Speaker 1: light on them, guaranteed to be nick free. I need that,

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Speaker 1: guaranteed to be I need that. I need that. I'm

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Speaker 1: a lot taller when I use these problems. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, shout. We appreciate y'all. Hey man, but

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Speaker 1: that's a wrap all the slows my brother Jaden Road.

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