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Speaker 4: All right, Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. The neocons
Speaker 4: are on the march here sacking the Trump administration.
Speaker 5: That looks like it's two thousand and four again here, indeed.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 6: We're going to talk about Trump's personnel choices. Who's out
Speaker 6: Over on the Senate side, Republicans are going to pick
Speaker 6: a new leader.
Speaker 7: That's right, Mitch McConnell's the longest party leader in the
Speaker 7: history of the Senate, so he's they're voting on his
Speaker 7: replacement as we speak right now.
Speaker 5: So we'll have a full breakdown of that. Tons of
Speaker 5: interesting stuff to go through.
Speaker 6: And it looks like Vladimir Putin is trying to claw
Speaker 6: back as much territory from Ukraine and the curse region
Speaker 6: before Trump comes in and tells him it's over.
Speaker 5: Potentially.
Speaker 4: Trump said, it can't happen when I'm in there.
Speaker 5: No, he'll make a deal.
Speaker 4: Just going to make a deal.
Speaker 5: So Putin's getting ahead of the deal.
Speaker 6: So there is actually a lot of jocking going on
Speaker 6: around the world awaiting Trump's swearing in on January twentieth.
Speaker 6: And we're going to talk about this kind of joint
Speaker 6: North Korean Russian offensive that's underway.
Speaker 7: Yes, I mean, just incredibly important development in the history
Speaker 7: of this war. And Ryan, we have a guest. We'll
Speaker 7: be going over recent developments in Gaza.
Speaker 6: With Yeah, Dropsite contributor Abu Baker ahb Ed, who was
Speaker 6: a sports journalist before October seventh, has kind of been
Speaker 6: forced into kind of wartime correspondent duty. Yesterday was the
Speaker 6: thirty day deadline that the State Department and the Defense
Speaker 6: Department had given to Israel to to measurably improve specific
Speaker 6: metrics in Gaza or else face consequences to the tune
Speaker 6: of losing access to US weapons. That deadline was yesterday.
Speaker 6: They met none of those metrics. Things have gone backwards,
Speaker 6: And we'll talk to Abu Baker about what he has
Speaker 6: found and talk about his recent piece for drop site.
Speaker 6: And we'll also play some footage from yesterday's State Department briefing,
Speaker 6: which may be a new low for this State Department,
Speaker 6: because they are the ones that sent this letter. They're
Speaker 6: the ones that set this deadline, they're the ones that
Speaker 6: set the metrics, and they're the ones that then have
Speaker 6: to pretend like they never did any of that.
Speaker 7: You're going to want to stick around for the footage
Speaker 7: from the briefing if you haven't seen it. And all
Speaker 7: kinds of crazy political things going on in New York
Speaker 7: City pre usual, but actually it was even more interesting
Speaker 7: than usual.
Speaker 5: And so we have a mayorial.
Speaker 6: Candidate Socialists or hand Mom, Donnie, who was elected in
Speaker 6: that twenty it was either twenty eighteen or twenty twenty
Speaker 6: that when there was a upsurge of kind of DSA
Speaker 6: candidates getting elected to the New York City Council and
Speaker 6: also the State Senate and State House. Now he's going
Speaker 6: to run for mayor on a sweeping progressive platform.
Speaker 4: That's exciting.
Speaker 5: Hey, we'll see what happens. Excited to talk to him.
Speaker 7: All right, let's start in our a block with new
Speaker 7: Trump appointment. It's just an absolute flurry coming out from
Speaker 7: the Trump Vance press list last night. These announcements were
Speaker 7: like coming every ten minutes.
Speaker 5: Fell furious, Yeah, yeah, damn it. Ryan. Let's start with
Speaker 5: Pete Hagg's death. So, if you're not familiar with Pete
Speaker 5: Hagg sath.
Speaker 7: He is a long time Fox News contributor, which is
Speaker 7: probably where most people are.
Speaker 4: Familiar with him before Trump doubt right.
Speaker 7: Then sure that is where Trump got to know him.
Speaker 7: But he has been named the Secretary of Defense appointment.
Speaker 7: He's been named as Trump's nominee for Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 7: And you know, I actually got a little bit ahead
Speaker 7: of the curve saying he's been named Secretary of Defense
Speaker 7: because most of the time you can kind of assume
Speaker 7: that I'm curious, genuinely, even with the Republican Senate what
Speaker 7: happens with the Pete Hagg Seth nominee, because it was.
Speaker 5: A full blown freakout.
Speaker 7: Lobbyists were furiously texting Politico reporters who.
Speaker 5: The f is Pete Hagg said.
Speaker 7: You can imagine the whaling and gnashing of teeth that
Speaker 7: was happening literally at the Pentagon when this announcement came
Speaker 7: out around what like nine pm last night.
Speaker 5: Just sort of exploded. Even for Trump.
Speaker 7: This was a quote that a lobbyist gave and I
Speaker 7: actually I think it's kind of funny. I mean, I
Speaker 7: agree with it, not in the way that the lobbyist does.
Speaker 7: But even for Trump, you're sort of grading on a
Speaker 7: curve with his weird appointments, this one sort of was
Speaker 7: surprising still even in its weirdness. But before he was
Speaker 7: over at Fox, Pete Hegseth was He's from Minnesota. He
Speaker 7: went to Princeton undergrad, Harvard Kennedy School for his masters.
Speaker 4: Trump loves those credentials.
Speaker 5: He really loves those credentials.
Speaker 7: Although Pete Hegseth says that he sent his Harvard degree back,
Speaker 7: he mailed it back to Harvard and.
Speaker 4: Then he Trump loves that even more.
Speaker 5: I'm sure Trump loves that.
Speaker 7: He enlisted and served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has
Speaker 7: two bronze stars, he's decorated, and he went and worked
Speaker 7: with a group that both of us are pretty familiar with,
Speaker 7: which was the Concerned Veterans for America.
Speaker 5: Who was the CEO of that group. So it's a
Speaker 5: pretty I mean, it is a pretty unorthodox pick. There's
Speaker 5: just no question about it.
Speaker 4: Talk more about him at the end of this block.
Speaker 6: It's kind of an America first guy, but also like
Speaker 6: a messianic kind of Israel supporter in a like over
Speaker 6: the top way. One of the one of the one
Speaker 6: of his top accomplishments previously in lobbying Trump was to
Speaker 6: talk him into pardoning Eddie Gallagher, who became this kind
Speaker 6: of hero on the right or for some elements of
Speaker 6: the right, but committed like just straight up war crimes
Speaker 6: and became this kind of cause to leb like because
Speaker 6: you try to find some some factions, try to find
Speaker 6: the worst war criminal and then defend them to then
Speaker 6: expand the bounds of like of what's possible and for
Speaker 6: And Hexath was in on that and lobbying Trump on that,
Speaker 6: on that pardon.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was definitely lobbying Trump on the pardon. Sager
Speaker 7: posted last night he said, I know this about Pete
Speaker 7: Hegsath on Ukraine. At least he's absolutely solid about ending
Speaker 7: the war. And I also know the Pentagon brass will
Speaker 7: absolutely lose it over his pick. They tried to nuke
Speaker 7: him in the first term, but it seems he may
Speaker 7: get the last laugh. That's an allusion to Trump attempting
Speaker 7: to nominate Hike Seth for Veterans' Affairs last time he
Speaker 7: was president, and it just didn't work because exactly some
Speaker 7: of the reasons we're talking about. There was this institutional
Speaker 7: opposition or even like discussed plucking someone from a news
Speaker 7: courts studio in Manhattan and bringing them.
Speaker 5: To an appointment in DC.
Speaker 7: Now, that's why I'm genuinely curious what happens in the
Speaker 7: Senate with this nomination. There's a lot of on the
Speaker 7: right people are pretty damn happy about it because it's
Speaker 7: sort of sticking it to the Pentagon and you know,
Speaker 7: saying like basically, screw your credentials, screw your I mean,
Speaker 7: obviously he has the Ivy League pedigree, but you know,
Speaker 7: screw your Jake Sullivan's like this guy. You know, he
Speaker 7: might not talk like Jake Sullivan, but he has a
Speaker 7: better sort of on the ground understanding both of where
Speaker 7: the public is and where everyone else is and where
Speaker 7: like what happens if you're an actual coment that veteran,
Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. That said, there's obviously concerns you
Speaker 7: could imagine like a Lindsey Graham having about the managerial
Speaker 7: task of actually overseeing.
Speaker 6: The Pentagon and also Lindsay Graham, and he Lindsey Graham's
Speaker 6: not really in America first, or he's he loves every war,
Speaker 6: including the one in Ukraine and elsewhere. And so if
Speaker 6: exit is going to be pushing back against some of
Speaker 6: those conflicts, even even if he is kind of more
Speaker 6: militant when it comes to say is or not more
Speaker 6: than Lindsay Graham and when it comes to Israel, but
Speaker 6: equally so it'll be interesting do you think that, How
Speaker 6: do you think how do you think recess appointments and
Speaker 6: the Senate are even going to factor in here, because
Speaker 6: we'll learn we'll know more by the end of this show,
Speaker 6: perhaps when the Senate votes. Senator's voting this morning on
Speaker 6: who is leader will be. Trump had said that he
Speaker 6: wants a leader who's going to allow recess appointments sticks
Speaker 6: so can through. We'll see how the Senate feels about that,
Speaker 6: because that's the Senate sacrificing some of its pas to
Speaker 6: the executive. What's your sense, will or will he just
Speaker 6: name acting people?
Speaker 7: I think he would gladly named acting people. And that's
Speaker 7: kind of the leverage he has over the Senate to
Speaker 7: confirm people. So yes, I mean that's the Senate leader.
Speaker 7: I think we'll probably acquiesce to recess appointment because if.
Speaker 6: Your pentagon's secretary, you want it to be you want
Speaker 6: a confirmed position because he's going to have problems managing
Speaker 6: the Pentagon as it.
Speaker 4: Is, right, And it's a good point.
Speaker 6: If he's not an officially confirmed member of the cabinet,
Speaker 6: then his enemies inside the bureaucracy will use that.
Speaker 4: So ah, sorry and see you on that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not actually in the job, so when you are,
Speaker 6: let us.
Speaker 5: Know, right, that's a really good point.
Speaker 7: So that's a I think probably another reason that they're
Speaker 7: gunning for the recess appointments, which basically is just an
Speaker 7: easier way for the Senate to get around appointing. Do
Speaker 7: you want to explain the recess appointment. Let's talk about
Speaker 7: it a little in the Senate block.
Speaker 6: Basically, in the Constitution, it says if the if the
Speaker 6: Senate is recessed, which it used to be back when
Speaker 6: they traveled, you know, from Wyoming into Washington by horse
Speaker 6: for many months, if the Senate was in recess, then
Speaker 6: the president could appoint somebody and that person would serve
Speaker 6: until like you know the next terms recess or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and so what what previous presidents have done is they
Speaker 6: try to get their Senate leader to kind of go
Speaker 6: into recess for a certain amount of time so that
Speaker 6: they can then put people into office through a recess appointment.
Speaker 7: Without noment, without going to the nomination.
Speaker 6: Bush tried to do this a lot when Democrats were
Speaker 6: were blocking him, and Bush would try to, Like presidents
Speaker 6: try to do it because even if their own party
Speaker 6: controls the Senate, sometimes because it's the Senate is just
Speaker 6: slow and annoying, right, and so that's why you often
Speaker 6: see if you turn on c SPAN and it says
Speaker 6: they're in pro forma session. The reason it's they're in
Speaker 6: pro formace session is because then they're not in recess.
Speaker 6: That's to block the president from making any appointments.
Speaker 4: Right, We're not doing any work, but we could, so
Speaker 4: don't try to.
Speaker 5: We are prepared to work, So.
Speaker 4: Don't try to slip anybody through here.
Speaker 7: Last thing I think about Pete HeiG Seth here as
Speaker 7: Dan Caldwell, who is I think he used to work
Speaker 7: at Concerned events he posted last night. I have known
Speaker 7: Pete heggs Seth for over a decade. Like a lot
Speaker 7: of that, his foreign policy views evolved as the Forever
Speaker 7: wars dragged on and their costs. Sword If you're calling
Speaker 7: him a neo Kon, you have no clue what you're
Speaker 7: talking about.
Speaker 5: I think that's accurate.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: There's some clips dropping of Pete haig Seth talking about
Speaker 7: Ukraine early in the war, talking about different con He
Speaker 7: changed his mind on a rock for example, he was
Speaker 7: like a vehement defender of the war in Iraq, which
Speaker 7: is sort of understandable. When he served, he had a
Speaker 7: different level of insight into the conflict than a lot
Speaker 7: of the keyboard jockeys now criticizing him for that. But
Speaker 7: his views have shifted like many people, and that's to
Speaker 7: his credit. I would say it's being intellectually honest with
Speaker 7: yourself to especially having served and coming back and sort
Speaker 7: of looking at American forign policy through a different lens.
Speaker 7: So you know, there's there's something very interesting about this appointment.
Speaker 7: It is completely unorthodox. It is Trump loving Fox and Friends.
Speaker 7: I get all of that. I also think it's like
Speaker 7: the Pentagon is an abject disgrace right now, and it's
Speaker 7: going to be actually sort of enjoyable to watch the
Speaker 7: freak out and.
Speaker 6: Dan Caldway you mentioned there is he's a strong anti war,
Speaker 6: anti neocon, hugely voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 6: Think this makes this show interesting because it would be
Speaker 6: easy to flatten Hexeth as just the maniact that he
Speaker 6: is when when it relates to Israel, and we'll talk
Speaker 6: about that in a bit, but it's much more complicated
Speaker 6: and nuanced than that.
Speaker 5: Yeah one percent.
Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, he's he's shifted along with a lot of
Speaker 7: people who sort of watched the experiment of post Vietnam
Speaker 7: imperialism play out and has been a part of like
Speaker 7: that actual experience. So he's an interesting guy.
Speaker 5: I've him before. He's pretty thoughtful.
Speaker 7: So Dan and can the people at Concern Bets. Now
Speaker 7: it sort of gets pegged as a coke group, uh,
Speaker 7: and it was funded by the Cook brothers.
Speaker 4: Coas have interesting.
Speaker 6: The Cokes partly fund the Quinci Institute for Responsible Staycraft,
Speaker 6: were a tree to Parsi and others are so Cookes
Speaker 6: are interesting when it comes to foreign policy, right.
Speaker 5: So it's just sort of funny to see that the.
Speaker 4: Money to the Soviet unions. So you gotta love that.
Speaker 4: I'm not making that up. Go google that.
Speaker 7: So it's it's just funny to see him get pegged
Speaker 7: as a new kind of We'll talk more in a moment,
Speaker 7: but we also have to get to the the Elon and.
Speaker 4: They get back to foreign policy.
Speaker 7: But yes, like we said last night, there was a
Speaker 7: flurry of appointments coming out after what like eight pm.
Speaker 5: We had the show basically set, and.
Speaker 7: Then you know, we kept getting more and more, one
Speaker 7: of which was the news about Elon Musk and the
Speaker 7: fake Ramaswami now heading up the Department of Government Efficiency
Speaker 7: or a DOJA.
Speaker 4: Co heads co chairs of the fake this fake commission.
Speaker 5: Except it's not fake, it is real.
Speaker 6: It's a not Basically, it's a private, non governmental commission
Speaker 6: that will be able to advise the government on what
Speaker 6: it ought to do.
Speaker 5: It's giving Deloitte.
Speaker 4: There is some maga.
Speaker 5: McKenzie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is a possibility that Congress could appropriate money
Speaker 6: for it and incorporate it somehow into the government.
Speaker 7: That's possible, but they wouldn't want that because Elon would
Speaker 7: have to I'm sure Elon would whatever his formal role
Speaker 7: is at this department, non governmental department, he would then
Speaker 7: have a slew of conflict of interest.
Speaker 4: The annoying paperwork. I'm sure.
Speaker 7: Well, he might even have to, like for if he
Speaker 7: wanted to stay at this department of government efficiency, he
Speaker 7: might actually even have to formally disentangle himself financially from
Speaker 7: certain things, which is why this is not a government.
Speaker 7: It's why he's not being appointed to a government post,
Speaker 7: because you know, Trump admires his work on Starlink and
Speaker 7: Tesla and whatever else, and he would not be able
Speaker 7: to keep most of that business if he went.
Speaker 4: In a government.
Speaker 6: So I look forward to seeing what this what this
Speaker 6: commission does, and what it recommends should be should be interesting.
Speaker 7: Now, do you have a similar take to many others
Speaker 7: that this was Ascuzie Wiles maneuver as incoming chief of
Speaker 7: staff to keep them as far away as the from
Speaker 7: the West wing or any type of governmental position as possible.
Speaker 6: Not necessarily, because do these guys really want all the
Speaker 6: smoke that comes with being government employees. I think the
Speaker 6: Vake might, but and maybe he'll still get something else.
Speaker 5: I was thinking that too.
Speaker 4: This doesn't necessarily preclude him from Yeah, the Viveke thrown
Speaker 4: in there. It's just kind of funny.
Speaker 7: So you know, there's there's a world in which you
Speaker 7: can also see this as a snub to the vake.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you saw Elizabeth Warren trolling this,
Speaker 7: but Elizabeth Warren was like, Okay, so you're you have
Speaker 7: a Department of Government Efficiency and you have co heads.
Speaker 7: You're just created the department to tackle waste with a
Speaker 7: physicition and for one person that includes.
Speaker 4: Too, and there's some redundancies there.
Speaker 6: It's also hilarious, of course, because Elon Musk loves the
Speaker 6: famasy state. Well, they create a new government agency every minute. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so the next minute he's going to create a new
Speaker 6: government agency.
Speaker 4: Here we are take on government.
Speaker 7: Agency because it's not even a government agency to your point,
Speaker 7: it's like a sort of a fake government agency.
Speaker 5: It's you know, and we'll see it.
Speaker 7: Like there's a lot of government waste, no question about it,
Speaker 7: and you can find some of it on the left.
Speaker 5: You can find some of it on the right.
Speaker 7: You can look at wasteful animal testing for example, as
Speaker 7: the White Coast white coat waiste guys do, or you
Speaker 7: could look at you know, all kinds of like bloated
Speaker 7: red tape nonsense. There's a lot of people on the
Speaker 7: right do. So you can find stuff and it's still
Speaker 7: not going to really make a drop in the bucket
Speaker 7: when it comes to the debt. You could literally eliminate
Speaker 7: the entire Pentagon budget and you're still not putting a
Speaker 7: significant debt in the national debt. That's actual like math,
Speaker 7: that's how significant the.
Speaker 5: Level of debt is right now.
Speaker 7: So all that is to say, good luck too, Elon
Speaker 7: and Vivike. Also, this means Vivike said he has to
Speaker 7: take himself out of the running for the Ohio Senate seat.
Speaker 7: There's a world in which you can see this as
Speaker 7: a massive snub from Donald Trump. Vivike has been one
Speaker 7: of his loudest champions and defenders.
Speaker 5: I'm not entirely.
Speaker 7: Sold on that, because I think he's probably very excited
Speaker 7: to be alongside Elon Musk, the literal most powerful richest
Speaker 7: man in the world, heading up this.
Speaker 5: Like what they see is this massive effort.
Speaker 7: And Trump said they're going to be working alongside the
Speaker 7: White House and the Office of Management Budget. So omb
Speaker 7: that could mean basically a very limited type of role,
Speaker 7: or that could mean something really extensive, depending on how
Speaker 7: much they put into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all the insight into that will come from mapping
Speaker 6: out the federal government will be extremely lucrative for both
Speaker 6: these gentlemen, no question about it.
Speaker 4: Speaking of maniacs.
Speaker 5: Well, actually that's a great point.
Speaker 7: Yes, right before we get to that, Elon Musk does
Speaker 7: extensive business with the federal government. He has a huge
Speaker 7: recipient of subsidies. Right, so having him sort of with
Speaker 7: the sandbox to decide what's waste and what's not is
Speaker 7: there's a reason why it's not part of the government
Speaker 7: and it's an outside effort.
Speaker 4: So this Gilded age level stuff, it.
Speaker 5: Is actually Gilded Age level stuff.
Speaker 7: And you know, alongside we're about to talk about Mike Hackabee,
Speaker 7: there was also an announcement Bill mcinley is going to
Speaker 7: be Trump's White House counsel.
Speaker 5: Christinam was named as.
Speaker 7: Homeland Security CIA director nominee as former d and I
Speaker 7: John Ratcliffe, Bob Littheuser is under consideration for quote trades
Speaker 7: are that kind of role He used to be ustr
Speaker 7: US trade representative. Yeah, So anyway, those are just some
Speaker 7: of the big names that were coming out over the course.
Speaker 5: Of the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Still Ratcliffe before we get to Hockaby, Ratcliffe, he's kind
Speaker 6: of a you know, he he buckd he bucked the
Speaker 6: kind of intelligence community establishment yeah, wearing his first term.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 6: Like a anti deep state guy from the deep state.
Speaker 4: Is that How would you describe Ratcliffe?
Speaker 7: I think that's a good way to put it. I
Speaker 7: believe he's bad on Piza. I'll have to double check that,
Speaker 7: oh for sure, but yeah, I'm going to Yeah, I'm
Speaker 7: pretty sure he caved on the seven o two stuff.
Speaker 5: And it's not entirely surprising. But if you're anti deep state.
Speaker 6: You're really an When he becomes a top spy, he's
Speaker 6: gonna want all the spy powers.
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's you know, there's some interesting.
Speaker 4: He's been critical a little bit of fiz Accord, et cetera.
Speaker 6: Mike Huckabee named ambassador to Israel, famously Sarah Huckeby Sanders's father.
Speaker 6: The reason we know Sarah Huckeby Sanders originally is because
Speaker 6: she is his daughter, former governor of Arkansas. And so
Speaker 6: Hexeth is one of these christiansonists who believes that Israel
Speaker 6: is going to help usher in the Rapture or whatever.
Speaker 6: It's one thing to have your Pentagon secretary believing that,
Speaker 6: and you're like, maybe he won't. He'll just be executing
Speaker 6: some policy and he's focused on the entire world.
Speaker 4: It's not just Israel. How could be is that variety of.
Speaker 6: Christian Zionists and having him service the ampastor Israel is
Speaker 6: absolutely extraordinary and historic.
Speaker 4: It's just an incredible moment.
Speaker 6: We think we have some of him riffing on this right,
Speaker 6: let's put up a four here.
Speaker 1: What happens next. It's about the end times and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: some of us think we may just be living then them.
Speaker 1: So Max Locato, is so good to see you. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us and welcome as we talk about the
Speaker 1: end of the world.
Speaker 4: Well, Governor, I wouldn't be anywhere else.
Speaker 9: I'm supremely honored to have these moments with you. And yes,
Speaker 9: I do believe we're not just in the end times.
Speaker 9: We're in the end of the end times. It's moving fast.
Speaker 1: Max. When you say that, it scares a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They think, oh, no, the end of the world. That's
Speaker 1: just terrible. Your whole book is focused on quite a
Speaker 1: different perspective about the end times. You say in this
Speaker 1: book it's not something that we ought to be afraid of.
Speaker 1: It's something we ought to embrace and look forward to.
Speaker 4: Okay, that didn't make me less afraid. Maxica does actually
Speaker 4: made me a lot more afraid.
Speaker 5: The Mexicat is a very popular Christian author.
Speaker 6: So tell us about well, let's play Hegsath and then
Speaker 6: tell us try to make us a little bit less
Speaker 6: scared about the period we're about that here's hexath theory.
Speaker 6: This is a four B.
Speaker 8: But we are here in Jerusalem, and today Jennifer and
Speaker 8: I and others had a chance to go see the
Speaker 8: western Wall of the Temple Mount. The Western Wall tunnels
Speaker 8: so much of the old city, and as you stand there,
Speaker 8: you can't help but behold the miracle before you. And
Speaker 8: it got me thinking about another miracle that I hope
Speaker 8: all of you don't see too far away. Because nineteen
Speaker 8: seventeen was a miracle, nineteen forty eight was a miracle,
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty seven was a miracle. Twenty seventeen, the Declaration
Speaker 8: of Jerusalem at the Capitol was a miracle. And there's
Speaker 8: no reason why the miracle of the re establishment of
Speaker 8: the Temple on the Temple Mount is not possible.
Speaker 10: I don't know how it would happen. You don't know
Speaker 10: how it would happen, but I know that it could happen.
Speaker 10: That's all I have.
Speaker 8: And a step in that process, a step in every process,
Speaker 8: is the recognition that facts and activities on the ground
Speaker 8: truly matter. And that's why going and visiting Judea and Samaria,
Speaker 8: understanding that the very sovereignty of Israeli soil, the Israeli
Speaker 8: cities locations, is a critical next step to showing the
Speaker 8: world that this is the land for Jews and the
Speaker 8: land of Israel. And I believe, as was mentioned, he said,
Speaker 8: you need to What was mentioned is you need to
Speaker 8: buy the ticket. Don't just wish for forty years to
Speaker 8: win the lottery. Buy the ticket. I would submit to
Speaker 8: you in light of the support you have in Washington, DC,
Speaker 8: the support you have amongst patriotic Americans, amongst Evangelical Christians,
Speaker 8: amongst believers, amongst Republicans, even amongst some Democrats who can
Speaker 8: barely say it anymore in Washington, Buy the ticket, take
Speaker 8: your action, do what needs to be done here in Israel,
Speaker 8: because I truly believe this is a moment where America
Speaker 8: will have your back. You have Donald Trump and the
Speaker 8: White House, you have Mike Pence as Vice President, you
Speaker 8: have Nikki Haley at the UN you have true believers
Speaker 8: in Israel and America that have your back.
Speaker 6: Okay, So he's talking about these true believers nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 6: That's obviously a reference to the Balfour Declaration where Britain
Speaker 6: says that they support the establishment of a homeland for
Speaker 6: the Jewish people in Palestine. When he talks about ju
Speaker 6: Day and Samaria, that's the West Bank, talking about sovereignty
Speaker 6: over the West Bank. We'll talk about the later. The
Speaker 6: Israeli government is now saying they're going to annex the
Speaker 6: West Bank. When he says the re establishment of the
Speaker 6: temple on the Temple Mount, Now we're talking biblical stuff
Speaker 6: here that we're not talking there talking revelation. Yeah, we're
Speaker 6: not talking about building a new temple by human hands, right,
Speaker 6: we're talking about ushering in the what's thatcond coming here?
Speaker 4: Well, like, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 7: So I thought of I was going to make this
Speaker 7: less terrifying. Actually, well, well he was speaking, which is
Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to make it better, though it.
Speaker 5: Might be less terrifying.
Speaker 7: But this is basically the worldview that has informed Christian
Speaker 7: conservative policy towards Israel. For I mean, I would say
Speaker 7: Post nine to eleven. That's where I mean, you obviously
Speaker 7: it's been around since before that, but post nine eleven,
Speaker 7: I think, is where it really and you probably watched
Speaker 7: this play out in the lots, is where it really
Speaker 7: sort of congealed into a powerful political force as our
Speaker 7: policy in the Middle East became more aggressive. I shouldn't
Speaker 7: say more aggressive, but it's I mean, it's fair to
Speaker 7: say when you actually have ground invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 5: There was a lot of justifying.
Speaker 7: It with this particular Christian evangelical worldview that gave it
Speaker 7: a lot of power, especially with a generation of Christians
Speaker 7: at the time. And I think Pete Hegseth talks a
Speaker 7: lot about Israel as through the conservative lens, as being
Speaker 7: a representative or a bastion of Western civilization. So I
Speaker 7: don't know to what importance he ascribes each version, like
Speaker 7: to what an importance is about.
Speaker 6: That's the kind of the secular version of it both, right,
Speaker 6: the spiritual version is that Jews and Israel are going
Speaker 6: to be the cannon fodder for the apocalypse, right, and
Speaker 6: so bring the Lord's Savior back or something.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if this again makes it less
Speaker 7: terrifying or more comforting. But that has basically been the
Speaker 7: engine of evangelical support for political.
Speaker 5: Israel for a while.
Speaker 4: Oneasy alliance political Israel.
Speaker 7: It's reading the kind of nation of Israel as political Israel,
Speaker 7: as the country right now of Israel into different sections
Speaker 7: of the Bible, which is why people like Max Ocato
Speaker 7: and there are varying degrees of seriousness as people approach this,
Speaker 7: but it's why people like Max O Keato look at
Speaker 7: what's happening in the world and say we're in the
Speaker 7: end of the end times because you can kind of
Speaker 7: piece together parts of revelation from what happens in the news.
Speaker 4: And Huckaby is rejoicing, He's not afraid. He's rejoicing. He's
Speaker 4: going to meet his Lord and Savior or whatever.
Speaker 7: It's dispensationalism essentially, meaning so in what you're hearing heg
Speaker 7: Seth talk about, there is the Third Temple, and there
Speaker 7: are if you combine this with the fact that there
Speaker 7: are some net Yahoo allies or part of that right
Speaker 7: wing coalition that he kind of has to keep happy
Speaker 7: and keep together who are also trying to rebuild the
Speaker 7: Temple because they also are trying to usher in the
Speaker 7: Messianic age, and then in a real.
Speaker 4: Temple they build an actual face.
Speaker 7: They literally have the plans for building a temple, and
Speaker 7: what they have to.
Speaker 6: Do is they have to do that to fulfill some
Speaker 6: of the prophecies of revelation, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, And so you have to reclaim control of
Speaker 7: the temple now, which is obviously not in Israel's control
Speaker 7: right now. That's why you see people like Ben Gaviera
Speaker 7: walking into like you've seen this over the last couple
Speaker 7: of years, and it terrifies a lot of people when
Speaker 7: you have like Ben Giver making a big point of
Speaker 7: going to the Temple Mount and all of that. It's
Speaker 7: an effort, a legitimate, serious effort to rebuild the temple.
Speaker 6: Hamas's October seventh attack was called Aloxa flood, yes, and
Speaker 6: which which was named for.
Speaker 4: Their response to those exact provocations.
Speaker 7: Axa is the mosque that's on the Temple Mount, right
Speaker 7: and they would not even they would reject the term
Speaker 7: Temple Mount. And that's the so that's actually like really
Speaker 7: the croux of all this conflict. At the end of
Speaker 7: the day, it's Aloxa is an extremely important site for Muslims.
Speaker 7: It's where a lot, it's where Muhammad ascended to heaven
Speaker 7: from uh so, and that's the place of Solomon's temple
Speaker 7: if you're Jewish or you're Christian. So it's kind of
Speaker 7: at the heart of the conflict. And that's where yes,
Speaker 7: this it's it's just as a piece of land, extremely
Speaker 7: important if you are interpreting what's happening right now biblically
Speaker 7: to political Israel as whenever you know, these prophecies talk
Speaker 7: about the nation of Israel or Israel as a collective.
Speaker 7: That's if you're interpreting that as political Israel, then yeah,
Speaker 7: you it's it's pretty easy to jump from point A
Speaker 7: to point B.
Speaker 4: So we're all going to die maybe.
Speaker 5: I mean, we are all going to die, right to
Speaker 5: be fair, that's true. Eventually we are all going to die.
Speaker 5: Now should we move on to Marco Rubio or one?
Speaker 4: Producer Max says Emily, this did not make me feel anybody.
Speaker 5: But I mean Max.
Speaker 7: Producer Mac is from Georgia, so he's probably been surrounded
Speaker 7: by a lot of this.
Speaker 4: Is he had his.
Speaker 6: Chances saved and here he is, Uh well, Mac, you.
Speaker 7: Know, some of some of the stuff does go into
Speaker 7: like pretty wacky territory pretty quickly, and I don't agree
Speaker 7: with this is just not where I come down on this,
Speaker 7: even as an evangelical. It's not where I come down
Speaker 7: in it. And it frightens me a lot too. So
Speaker 7: do I know or do I think that you know?
Speaker 7: Pete Hegseth is going to act on this. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's Secretary of Defense and he's very clear about how
Speaker 7: his religion informs his worldview. This is everything to my
Speaker 7: Kuckabee who is now the ambassador to Israel. But do
Speaker 7: I think it will mark a significant departure. No, because
Speaker 7: we are so like we've already wrapped our arms around.
Speaker 6: There's the good news right already, so maniacally like one
Speaker 6: directionally headed in that headed there, it's.
Speaker 5: Not going to change that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 6: It changes that the pedals already on the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we're Yeah, excellent. Wonderf that made me feel better. We
Speaker 6: can also make ourselves feel better by reveling in the
Speaker 6: suffering of Marco Rubio, who two nights ago was reported
Speaker 6: to be named to be Secretary of State.
Speaker 4: There was some interesting caveats in the reporting.
Speaker 6: I think you and I were both immediately hearing from
Speaker 6: our sources afterwards that said, this is not actually a
Speaker 6: done deal, right, like he's leaning towards Rubio very strongly,
Speaker 6: and then probably Rubio still gets this position.
Speaker 4: But we're almost.
Speaker 6: Forty eight hours now away from the leaking of the
Speaker 6: appointment and there's still no official word. And if you
Speaker 6: just follow it along with that first block, you saw
Speaker 6: that he's been throwing official names out every ten minutes,
Speaker 6: and every time one comes out and it's not Marco Rubio,
Speaker 6: it's another flight to Marco Rubio, who is facing fierce
Speaker 6: opposition from the world of Tulsa Gabbard, Tucker Carlson. I
Speaker 6: don't know this from my reporting, but you would imagine
Speaker 6: Donald Trump Jr. People like him are have said that
Speaker 6: they are opposed to people like Rubio who come from
Speaker 6: the neo kon wing, as you saw from that compilation
Speaker 6: that we just put up, and we can actually play
Speaker 6: a little bit of Tulsi from last summer talking about
Speaker 6: Rubio as well.
Speaker 4: It's a six.
Speaker 11: I think it would be a huge mistake for President
Speaker 11: Trump to choose him because he represents the neo con
Speaker 11: war mongering establishment of Washington, d C. Which stands diametrically
Speaker 11: opposed to the very policies that President Trump has always
Speaker 11: stood for, going all the way back to when he
Speaker 11: ran for president in twenty sixteen, through that first term
Speaker 11: in office, and the things that he's talking about wanting
Speaker 11: to do now, And it would just it would send
Speaker 11: the wrong message to a lot of folks who are
Speaker 11: very concerned about the fact that we are on the
Speaker 11: brink of war with Russia and China and Iran and
Speaker 11: North Korea.
Speaker 4: If Marco Rubio.
Speaker 11: Is his vice president, then that is that is what
Speaker 11: we will face, and it will cause a lot of
Speaker 11: people to question what kind of foreign policy will actually
Speaker 11: be executed, will be the one that Trump wants and
Speaker 11: stands for, or will it be one that will continue
Speaker 11: the deep state neocon warmongers.
Speaker 5: That was July tenth, right.
Speaker 6: And so Rubio has adopted domestically a lot of Trump's
Speaker 6: or what do you call that, populist nationalist stuff when
Speaker 6: it comes to he's become more pro worker than he
Speaker 6: used to be. He's supportive of child tax credits and
Speaker 6: other supports for you know, working families. Foreign policy is
Speaker 6: just an unreac struct a neo con right.
Speaker 7: So this is if we if we skip I had
Speaker 7: one element to a eight because Ryan just made the
Speaker 7: same point as Kurt Mills, who's the head of the
Speaker 7: American Conservative He said, Rubio is a strange pick. He
Speaker 7: has won plot it's on the new right in recent
Speaker 7: years for his Catholic social conservatism and industrial policy economics,
Speaker 7: but foreign policy widely viewed as the area on which
Speaker 7: he is pre Trump also sets up a Hillary slash
Speaker 7: Biden dynamic with Advance and as if to kind of
Speaker 7: make Kurt's point, John Fetterman, this is a seven, waited
Speaker 7: in sort of he didn't have to say anything, but
Speaker 7: he went for it, he tweeted. Unsurprisingly, the other team's
Speaker 7: pick will have political differences than my own. That being said,
Speaker 7: my colleague Senator Mark Rubio is a strong choice and
Speaker 7: I look forward to voting for his confirmation. This is
Speaker 7: the John Fetterman that ran on a full blown populist
Speaker 7: I would argue, even like Bernie adjacent.
Speaker 6: They endorse Bernie. At one point had the endorsement of
Speaker 6: Bernie in one of his races.
Speaker 5: His stenic campaign was in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 7: But it was sort of the version of Tim Waltz
Speaker 7: that a lot of people really loved about John Fetterman
Speaker 7: is that he was talking to you know, voters in
Speaker 7: red counties with you know, on borderline, I would say
Speaker 7: democratic socialism and making people like it. So talking to
Speaker 7: Trump supporters and making people like it. So that's also
Speaker 7: part of Rubio's project on populous economics. There's no question
Speaker 7: about it. He has been really successful at sort of
Speaker 7: shoehorning those into.
Speaker 5: The conservative movement.
Speaker 7: He's been a part of a really good shift on
Speaker 7: the right.
Speaker 5: Foreign policy ran you know this by than I do.
Speaker 7: His approach in Latin America in particular has been quite aggressive.
Speaker 7: Neo conservative is unreconstructed. Neo conservatism is a great way
Speaker 7: to put it. He did vote against the round of
Speaker 7: Ukraine funding that got really controversial. What was this back
Speaker 7: in January February, although some have pointed out he kind
Speaker 7: of took a interesting route to get to why he
Speaker 7: was voting against it. I think he has shifted a
Speaker 7: little bit on you know, I think he's very disillusioned
Speaker 7: with American foreign policy as a whole. But that doesn't
Speaker 7: translate into Latin America.
Speaker 6: No, it's extremely dis Like the Miami Herald has a
Speaker 6: you know, it's already reporting that Cuba, Venezuela, any any
Speaker 6: country that is not run by a kind of right
Speaker 6: wing government. Right now in Latin America is panic at
Speaker 6: the possibility of Marco Marco Rubio becoming Sacra state of state.
Speaker 6: Diaz Balart likely will be Chair of House Foreign Relations,
Speaker 6: So that'll be two uh you know, Cuban Americans who
Speaker 6: have a quite vengeful approach that they take towards Cuba
Speaker 6: in particular, but also anybody that that smells like Cuba
Speaker 6: to them, which is, you know, anybody kind of to
Speaker 6: the left of how via Mala uh so, and so yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's that's dark. But he might not get it,
Speaker 6: which is wild. It be amazing if he if this
Speaker 6: falls apart.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he truly at this point when Trump is going
Speaker 7: through Ratcliffe and Pete hag Seth and it's leaked to
Speaker 7: Maggie Haberman and I think she was she colled Bineline
Speaker 7: that with Jonathan Swan, both people who are like pretty
Speaker 7: well informed in Trump world. There was a couple of
Speaker 7: days ago now and Rubio world is pretty prepared for
Speaker 7: this to happen. There was some bickering back and forth
Speaker 7: over the Rick Grannell Camp, former investor Germany and the
Speaker 7: Rubio camp, not the Rubio camp, but some like new
Speaker 7: right types people who are even just trying to report
Speaker 7: on this. There's been some bickering back and forth about
Speaker 7: whether Grenell is trying to backstab Rubio, and this is
Speaker 7: like a big imagine he is.
Speaker 5: He says he's not.
Speaker 6: He's never he haven't, he's never seen a back he
Speaker 6: hasn't liked to stay.
Speaker 5: He says he's not. But it's hard to imagine that.
Speaker 7: You know, Don Junior and Tucker Carlson are absolutely having
Speaker 7: input in this transition process. One of the funny bits
Speaker 7: of reporting is from Axios that Trump is basically hold
Speaker 7: up in a makeshift situation room at mar A Lago
Speaker 7: where they have prepared kind of video decks for him.
Speaker 7: When he names a person, they can like put it
Speaker 7: on a series of monitors, which I compared to the
Speaker 7: great scene in Princess Diaries too, when they're trying to
Speaker 7: choose a husband for me, H.
Speaker 4: Show me his Fox appearances.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that's actually what's happening. So the
Speaker 7: reporting suggests that's what's happening, so that he can see
Speaker 7: how they would defend him. Probably explains why christinoam goes
Speaker 7: to DHS, which is a pick that I find is
Speaker 7: enormously objectionable for many reasons. But anyway, all that is
Speaker 7: to say, Rubio could end up not getting this Secretary
Speaker 7: of State position because there's jockeying against what some people
Speaker 7: in MAGA world see. And Telsea Gabbard we're going to
Speaker 7: talk about her in the next block, but she would
Speaker 7: be one of these people who would see him as
Speaker 7: an unreconstructed neo con especially because of his support for
Speaker 7: cous essentially in Latin America, very similar like Rinston repeat
Speaker 7: foreign policy in Latin America that we've had for decades.
Speaker 7: He's obviously Cuban, so he has a very hawkish approach
Speaker 7: to the Cuban government and the sanctions regime.
Speaker 5: He's been friendly with Boucht.
Speaker 4: It's fine with that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, he's been friendly with Bukele. He's been friendly
Speaker 7: with me Lee. So those relationships are there.
Speaker 6: And in case Trump is watching this from his little
Speaker 6: situation room, let's play one clip that we think ought
Speaker 6: to sway him in the opposite direction when it comes
Speaker 6: to some of these picks. Look, who is so excited
Speaker 6: about your picks, mister President elect?
Speaker 4: Let's roll eight nine here.
Speaker 12: I know Mike Walt's full disclosure is a friend of mine.
Speaker 12: I feel like this at least Stephonic Susie Wilds. This
Speaker 12: is probably about as team normal as you get when
Speaker 12: it comes to Donald Trump picks.
Speaker 13: Well, I think Alice, whom I've known for many years,
Speaker 13: can certainly do a fine job at the UN And
Speaker 13: I think Mike Waltz will be a fine national security advisor.
Speaker 13: I should I should probably say I'll be for him
Speaker 13: or against him, whichever would help me more given my
Speaker 13: relationship with his boss.
Speaker 6: So Trump's making that man happy with a lot of
Speaker 6: these picks.
Speaker 5: He really is.
Speaker 7: List Like, we just went through a huge list of
Speaker 7: different people in their careers and different points in their
Speaker 7: careers and all of that. But if you are let's
Speaker 7: say you're Donald Trump Junior, or you are Tucker Carlson
Speaker 7: and you're looking at this list as that graphic in
Speaker 7: a five show just some of the upset in Trump
Speaker 7: world over Mark Rubio, that's going to extend you know
Speaker 7: this is there are a lot of people John Bolton
Speaker 7: is an example, but there are a lot of people
Speaker 7: who are more establishment types in Trump world who are
Speaker 7: looking at this and are really really happy because they
Speaker 7: feel like it shows Donald Trump is surrounding himself with
Speaker 7: like quote a quote serious people. They're not going to
Speaker 7: be so happy about Pete heigseeth, I'm sure. And that's
Speaker 7: where the Senate rubber could meet the road when some
Speaker 7: of these senators are asked to actually vote on that.
Speaker 5: But if they're actually asked to.
Speaker 6: Vote on that, Let's move on to somebody who has
Speaker 6: not gotten picked yet, and that is a former Democrat
Speaker 6: and former Independent and now Republican, former congresswoman Tulci Gabbard,
Speaker 6: and puts C one up on the screen here, So
Speaker 6: she was you know, she's been jockeying, she's been close
Speaker 6: to Trump, She's made in roads to some of his team,
Speaker 6: yet is struggling so far to gain purchase inside the administration.
Speaker 4: What's your read on this?
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a hugely conspicuous absence. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, you've phoned Tulsia Gabbard's career for a long time.
Speaker 4: She was elected, Yeah, right.
Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, And if we put the next graphic up
Speaker 7: on the screen, this is B two. This is a
Speaker 7: quote that we got from someone who's inside the transition world.
Speaker 7: And explained it as thus, because Ryan and are both
Speaker 7: trying to poke around and seeing what is going on here,
Speaker 7: and this source said, Tulsi is not fully trusted by
Speaker 7: Trump world.
Speaker 5: That is the bottom line.
Speaker 7: If you're looking around and wondering why this woman who
Speaker 7: was used as a surrogate and a powerful surgeate at that,
Speaker 7: I would say one of Trump's most powerful surrogates, which
Speaker 7: is why he recognized that and used her all over
Speaker 7: the campaign. I mean, this is somebody who comes from
Speaker 7: She was what's the formal title co chair of the
Speaker 7: DNC or deputy chair of the DNC.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, she was. She was on that. She was
Speaker 4: she had feisce chair I think.
Speaker 5: Something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So in twenty sixteen, and so Trump, the Trump campaign
Speaker 7: recognized that there was a lot of power in that message,
Speaker 7: much more powerful than the flip side of Kamala.
Speaker 5: Harris using Liz Cheney.
Speaker 7: And you know, Telsey Gabbard's a great speaker, and she's
Speaker 7: a good surrogate for Trump and trump Ism, and so
Speaker 7: she's a recognizable face that was all over shows like
Speaker 7: My and Kelly talking about Donald Trump. And now even
Speaker 7: as there leaks about her eyeing as that first graphics
Speaker 7: at a Defense secretary job. She's totally I mean, he's
Speaker 7: he's he's.
Speaker 4: Even went with Pete Hegsa.
Speaker 7: You know, this is another source told me someone who
Speaker 7: is a senior administration official in Trump won. She is
Speaker 7: the universal pick amongst base conservative Mago World for Department
Speaker 7: of Defense. So this was before the Heike Seth announcement
Speaker 7: came out. So she even has purchased with Mago World.
Speaker 7: There are people in mago World who really really love her.
Speaker 7: But because she's as my understanding is, because she's such
Speaker 7: a new convert to trump Ism, Trumpell just doesn't fully
Speaker 7: trust her with one of these positions, which is, uh,
Speaker 7: she's beloved by the base, so if she ends up
Speaker 7: with absolutely nothing, that speaks to a level of distrust
Speaker 7: that I think has been kept from public.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and as somebody who's in Trump will put it
Speaker 6: to me, he said quote she rubs people the wrong
Speaker 6: way sometimes, which actually that follows her from the from
Speaker 6: the Democratic Party, like that was a problem she had
Speaker 6: over there as well. Maybe some of this is misogy,
Speaker 6: not saying that's limited to Republicans at all, but also
Speaker 6: you know, she's interesting, different and iconoclastic and that can
Speaker 6: rub people the wrong ways. So there is some personal
Speaker 6: stuff going on here. The source also said he thought
Speaker 6: that she was still in the running. Now it's still
Speaker 6: in the mix. Talk being talked about for Director of
Speaker 6: National Intelligence, which is wild, like, you know, because she
Speaker 6: was a couple term member of Congress. To move from
Speaker 6: there to the Director of National Intelligence would be rather extraordinarily,
Speaker 6: but also reflects the the you know, the way that
Speaker 6: Trump has kind of up ended things and made things
Speaker 6: that would be completely impossible and a previous era possible.
Speaker 7: Well, Steve, if she gets that, I'm sure she's trying
Speaker 7: to be in the race for it. There are other
Speaker 7: people who would imagine might be ahead of her, but
Speaker 7: she does have I think. I mean, her foreign policy
Speaker 7: departs from even Trumps on insignificant ways. Syria is a
Speaker 7: good example, you know, like that, and from Hagsas in
Speaker 7: very significant ways.
Speaker 6: It's a very interesting foreign policy. She's like, she's far
Speaker 6: right when it comes to like Hindu nationalism, aligned with
Speaker 6: the Modi, basically a huge supporter of the war on terror,
Speaker 6: like drone strikes, and some of the Islamophobia or some
Speaker 6: of the hostility to political Islam that is inherent in
Speaker 6: some of that far right wing Hindu nationalism is present
Speaker 6: in her support for global war on terror, and support
Speaker 6: for the global War on terror is not really consistent
Speaker 6: with the kind of America first, like you know, try
Speaker 6: to attempt to retrench American power projection. So your point
Speaker 6: about theia is is is a good one.
Speaker 4: So she's against regime change wars, but.
Speaker 6: Supportive of lots of drone strikes against Muslims. So it's
Speaker 6: like it's there's yeah, it's she's she's different.
Speaker 5: She doesn't fit neatly into one box or the other.
Speaker 5: Meaning if you're just she.
Speaker 4: Sorted out, she fits neatly into kind of like a
Speaker 4: Modi box.
Speaker 7: Well, but one box in Trump the other in the
Speaker 7: United States exactly. So yeah, if you if you don't
Speaker 7: fit into one of the like you're not fully in.
Speaker 7: You couldn't perfectly be described like in the Tucker box
Speaker 7: and the Don Junior box or in the Marc Rubio box.
Speaker 4: And so if you're the elements of her that all
Speaker 4: different factions like but all different facts differs are uncomforable
Speaker 4: with different elements of her.
Speaker 7: Right, which would mean that you don't have a lot
Speaker 7: of like full throated advocates for an actual substantive defense position.
Speaker 7: Maybe she'll get something that is like more involves a ceremonial,
Speaker 7: public facing representation of the administration's policies.
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's probably something like that around, but
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 7: I think given how heavily she was used on the
Speaker 7: campaign trail, given how much she is absolutely beloved by
Speaker 7: the Maga bass it's it's sort of interesting that she
Speaker 7: may end up with nothing super substantive, and.
Speaker 4: We'll see, and she might she might get a big job.
Speaker 4: You see, as we.
Speaker 7: Speak this morning, right now, Republican senators are casting secret
Speaker 7: ballots for their new majority leader in the Upper Chamber.
Speaker 7: Their options are the very enticing trio of John Thune,
Speaker 7: John Cornyn, and Rick Scott. I said that sarcastically, obviously,
Speaker 7: but it looks like right now there's some leaks coming
Speaker 7: out of the meeting, which is happening again as we're speaking,
Speaker 7: it looks like it's going to be John Cornyn.
Speaker 5: That could obviously change. So why does any of this matter?
Speaker 7: There are some obvious reasons and then some less obvious
Speaker 7: ones too. With a majority in the Senate and likely
Speaker 7: majority in the House, Republicans will be able to pass
Speaker 7: major legislation. When Donald Trump is inaugurated in January, the
Speaker 7: Senate confirms cabinet and court nominations. The Majority leader sets
Speaker 7: the tone and makes procedural decisions with massive consequences, even
Speaker 7: if all of this is often obfuscated by very confusing
Speaker 7: inside baseball. Here's how our friend Rachel Bouvard, a longtime
Speaker 7: Senate staffer, including on the Steering Committee, put it in
Speaker 7: The Federalist yesterday, channeling what I think is fair to
Speaker 7: say the broader sentiments of the conservative world, Rachel wrote, quote,
Speaker 7: for Senate Republicans, this means closing the book on the
Speaker 7: Mitch McConnell era of governance marked by heavily centralized management
Speaker 7: and open hostility to the Trump agenda and the Republican base.
Speaker 5: On November thirteenth, they will elect.
Speaker 7: A new leader for the first time in nearly eighteen
Speaker 7: years and have a chance to usher in a new
Speaker 7: leadership that is accountable to the conference and the priorities
Speaker 7: of the evolving base of the Republican Party. So the
Speaker 7: Majority leader is the party's chief negotiator if he won't
Speaker 7: go to the map for it, let's say, cutting Ukraine
Speaker 7: funding or a hardcore border bill. MAGA senators and Donald
Speaker 7: Trump can't do that much about it other than exert
Speaker 7: public pressure, which is powerful, and then play hardball in
Speaker 7: smoke filled back rooms. So why is this a problem
Speaker 7: for Republicans? Trump is claiming a mandate, so why would
Speaker 7: any of the options for majority leader be a thorn
Speaker 7: in his side on these issues. John Thune and John
Speaker 7: Cornyan are longtime allies of Mitch McConnell, who has made
Speaker 7: no secret of his personal disdain for Trump. Thun and Cornyn,
Speaker 7: both from Red States, joined the Senate in the bush Yars.
Speaker 7: Rick Scott entered politics as Florida governor in the Tea
Speaker 7: Party wave, and then joined the Senate in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 7: where he quickly.
Speaker 5: Aligned himself with the MAGA movement.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty two, as McConnell insisted on his tradition
Speaker 7: of not releasing a policy agenda, Scott sought to fill
Speaker 7: that vacuum with a plan to rescue America, that was
Speaker 7: what it was called. He courted conservative thinkers and journalists,
Speaker 7: including myself, seeking to establish himself as the populist alternative
Speaker 7: to McConnell, operating on the understanding that McConnell was ailing
Speaker 7: and also deeply unpopular at the time. Scott was talking
Speaker 7: to people again. I had conversations with him about all
Speaker 7: of this, really laying the groundwork, and it was a
Speaker 7: clever move. He was buying goodwill with people who would
Speaker 7: be in positions to offer public support of him, including
Speaker 7: people in the Senate, including people in the media. But
Speaker 7: backlash over the plans points on the social safety Net,
Speaker 7: which were used by Democrats in their campaigns, brought about
Speaker 7: a consensus in some Republican circles, actually in Republican circles generally,
Speaker 7: that Scott was kind of in over his head, got
Speaker 7: ahead of his skis. Nevertheless, after the GOP's disappointing twenty
Speaker 7: twenty two midterms, Scott scored ten vot votes in the
Speaker 7: secret ballot election for Senate leader. McConnell still got thirty seven,
Speaker 7: but picking off ten was pretty impressive given that a
Speaker 7: lot of Senators were being publicly asked by reporters to
Speaker 7: say how they voted. National media is now acting like
Speaker 7: Rick Scott's challenge basically came out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: It did not.
Speaker 7: He has been laying the groundwork for this over the
Speaker 7: course of several years and sensing an opportunity to either
Speaker 7: change leadership or pressure.
Speaker 5: Them to be better.
Speaker 7: Mike Lee really followed in the footsteps of the House
Speaker 7: Freedom Caucus recently. The Freedom Caucus obviously pushed Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 7: to make all kinds of concessions in exchange for their
Speaker 7: votes for his speakership, and Lee put out a list
Speaker 7: of parliamentary demands to empower conservatives. He's been working hard
Speaker 7: in public and private to push the list and to
Speaker 7: push Rick Scott's bid. The demands are super granular. They
Speaker 7: sound super granular, but would be pretty consequential.
Speaker 5: Consequential.
Speaker 7: Lee wants four weeks of time for debating and amending
Speaker 7: omnibus bills. He wants a floor schedule for appropriations. He
Speaker 7: wants to reform something called filling the tree in the
Speaker 7: amendment process. And he wants term limit on leaders and
Speaker 7: then goals to be stated upfront every year. Trump himself
Speaker 7: has treated the question of recess appointments as a litmus
Speaker 7: test for the next leader. Ryan and I had talked
Speaker 7: about that earlier in the show. Getting through recess appointments
Speaker 7: would allow him to fill up his cabinet quickly and
Speaker 7: without pushing members to take controversial votes.
Speaker 5: Now, it's all similar stuff to what happened with Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 7: Demands that kind of harken back to the Tea Party
Speaker 7: years when conservatives were demanding leadership listened to the base.
Speaker 7: Lee of course, would arguably be a better and more
Speaker 7: appealing and charismatic leader than Rick Scott himself, but Lee's
Speaker 7: libertarians lash populous streak means he almost surely would not
Speaker 7: be able to secure enough votes from a conference that
Speaker 7: still includes Centrists like Susan Collins. Earlier this year, Donald
Speaker 7: Trump Junior tweeted quote Rhino Senators John Thune and John
Speaker 7: Cornyan both want to replace miss McConnell once he finally
Speaker 7: gets put out to pasture. Both of them also voted
Speaker 7: to send billions more to Ukraine. Mega must do everything
Speaker 7: in our power to either stop to stop either of
Speaker 7: these Rhinos from ever becoming Senate leader. Both men are
Speaker 7: seen as being aligned with more of the donor class
Speaker 7: than the base on foreign policy and the border, voting
Speaker 7: as Ukraine hawks and supporting Senator James Langford's trojan horse.
Speaker 7: McConnell pushed border deal earlier this year. To say the
Speaker 7: very least they are out of step with most Republican voters,
Speaker 7: but just about anyone in a leadership position in Congress
Speaker 7: is going to be, which is why the bench of
Speaker 7: potential successor to McConnell isn't very deep. It's either two
Speaker 7: friends of his or the one guy crazy enough to
Speaker 7: take those guys on. Rick Scott is not perfect, but
Speaker 7: he's made a political calculation that populism is where the
Speaker 7: votes are, so that means the MAGA agenda will clearly
Speaker 7: be better off with him in power, even if he's
Speaker 7: an unlikable ambassador for the cause and struggles to actually
Speaker 7: get anything done. Now, those are both serious problems, and
Speaker 7: recognizing Scott's odds, MAGA operators in the conservative movement seem
Speaker 7: to have secured some concessions from John Cornyan, who's politically
Speaker 7: ambitious enough to recognize that it's wise to pull a
Speaker 7: little bit of a McCarthy here and give those guys something.
Speaker 7: Just last night, he released a Dear Colleague letter saying
Speaker 7: that he's with Rick Scott and actually with Mike Lee
Speaker 7: on some of those priorities about how they could reform
Speaker 7: Senate procedures. So if MAGA world, if conservatives can defeat
Speaker 7: John Thune. It'll be a win either way for MAGA,
Speaker 7: which would have simply got nothing if Lee hadn't mounted
Speaker 7: this effort behind the scenes. And it's a win for
Speaker 7: actual conservative voters, by the way, who will also now
Speaker 7: have a little bit more of a voice in DC.
Speaker 7: Whether you like MAGA populists or not, this will empower
Speaker 7: anti establishment voices. The real question now is just how
Speaker 7: much it will empower them. So, Ryan, you've covered the
Speaker 7: Senate for a really long time. Some of this is
Speaker 7: actually left over from the Harry Reid era. You covered
Speaker 7: Harry Reid very closely. Filling the tree, I think is
Speaker 7: a process that Harry Reid was sort of a pioneer of,
Speaker 7: at least in recent history. So I'm curious from the
Speaker 7: perspective of somebody on the laugh the anti establishment wing
Speaker 7: of the Democratic Party has played a little bit more
Speaker 7: nicely with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi now Kim Jeffries
Speaker 7: than the Freedom Caucus guys and Ted Cruz and Mike
Speaker 7: Lee did, especially in the Tea Party era Ran Paul
Speaker 7: as well. Some of this is sounds great even from
Speaker 7: like a bipartisan perspective, like actually having four weeks of
Speaker 7: debate on omnibus omnibus bills, having your party leader say
Speaker 7: what your goals are at the head at the beginning
Speaker 7: of every year.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It actually just seems like a way to make the
Speaker 7: Senate work better.
Speaker 6: Right, But just like the Freedom Caucus reforms that they
Speaker 6: successfully extracted, when the rubber hits the road, they get
Speaker 6: tossed out, Like bills still get put on the floor
Speaker 6: and moved quickly through despite promises that all you'll get
Speaker 6: seventy two hours to look, everybody will get to amend,
Speaker 6: like all all of these promises that they make about
Speaker 6: you know, democracy end up kind of just getting tossed
Speaker 6: out when in reality. But yes, from from a just
Speaker 6: small D democratic perspective, it would be nice if we
Speaker 6: had democratic institutions again. Yeah, no, I mean at some
Speaker 6: point you're like, hold on, You've got the president, the
Speaker 6: Supreme Court, in Congress. And then if Congress is run
Speaker 6: by four people who are all from red or blue
Speaker 6: states and basically cannot be voted out. So the four
Speaker 6: people being you know, the House Democratic Leader, House Republican Leader,
Speaker 6: Senate Democratic Leader, Senate Republican leader.
Speaker 4: They call them the firm. Those are the big they
Speaker 4: call them the Big Four.
Speaker 6: If then the only way that you can as a
Speaker 6: voter influence power is by switching parties from Republican to Democratic,
Speaker 6: since none of the representatives or senators have any power
Speaker 6: because they're just at the you know, they're just at
Speaker 6: the whim of this this Big four. Like, how different
Speaker 6: is that than China? Like in China, like the the
Speaker 6: government is responsive to people's will, not through democratic elections
Speaker 6: because they don't want to get overthrown and want to
Speaker 6: make people happy.
Speaker 4: They want to keep prices all, they want to keep
Speaker 4: the economy growing.
Speaker 6: I'd rather have elections, sure, but if all your elections
Speaker 6: can do is narrowed down to this tiny margin, it's
Speaker 6: not that impressive of a system from a democratic perspective.
Speaker 7: So a lot of the objectionable foreign policy that most
Speaker 7: voters would say, if you put this in front of
Speaker 7: me in a ballot referendum, I would vote it down,
Speaker 7: most of it gets packed into these omnibus bills that
Speaker 7: aren't really debated on. So the senators just say, this
Speaker 7: was my leverage at the last minute. That's just what
Speaker 7: we had to do to get this other priority. And
Speaker 7: if you have more debate on omnibus bills, you probably
Speaker 7: will get a slightly more representative foreign policy because senators
Speaker 7: will have to take a little bit more heat for
Speaker 7: having these conversations in public.
Speaker 5: So that's at least I.
Speaker 7: Mean cornyin last night, literally last night came around and
Speaker 7: he put out a Dear Colleague letter essentially agreeing with
Speaker 7: a lot of the tenets of the Lee plan that.
Speaker 5: Rick Scott had pushed.
Speaker 7: And so a source told me, basically, this is a
Speaker 7: win for us either way as long as it's not
Speaker 7: John Thune. So if they come out of this with
Speaker 7: either Rick Scott or John Cornyn, Mike Lee wing, the
Speaker 7: conservative wing is going to feel pretty good about it,
Speaker 7: even though people like Tedgers do have long time connections
Speaker 7: with Thune because he was a McConnell, he's obviously McConnell
Speaker 7: ally and McConnell deputy. You had to have good relationships
Speaker 7: with him. You had to make inroads with him in
Speaker 7: order to get anything done, which I mean Rick Scott,
Speaker 7: how much can.
Speaker 5: He get done.
Speaker 7: He's broadly disliked by a lot of people, and he's
Speaker 7: putting out things about how he was a business leader,
Speaker 7: trying to convince some of the establishment people to come
Speaker 7: over to him because he was a business leader. And
Speaker 7: now Eve and I could talk about his record as
Speaker 7: a business leader.
Speaker 6: He oversaw basically the greatest medicare fraud in the history
Speaker 6: of the United States. Somehow is not in prison and
Speaker 6: instead is on the cusp of being a Senate majority leader.
Speaker 6: John Cornyn, yeah, is an old school Chamber of Commerce
Speaker 6: Democrat from Texas Republican.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, did I say Democrat?
Speaker 7: But a lot of people on the right would be like, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And he would have been a Democrat in the
Speaker 6: sixties seventies from Texas. Actually he may even have been
Speaker 6: when he was younger, because that's it was a one
Speaker 6: party state, but it was a democratic state back when
Speaker 6: the LBJ was around.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: He has spent decades or at least close to two
Speaker 6: decades raising money for his colleagues in the Senate Republican
Speaker 6: conference and is very attentive to their needs and is
Speaker 6: well liked by them. And so if he wins, it'll
Speaker 6: be because that old school method of winning power still works.
Speaker 6: Like he when these people were running for the Senate
Speaker 6: for the first time, he was there in their district
Speaker 6: raising money for them, connecting them with donors, you know,
Speaker 6: making making sure they won, and people feel a real
Speaker 6: loyalty for that. When when Rick Scott was in charge
Speaker 6: of electing senators who put out some stupid plan where
Speaker 6: he was going to like tax half the country it.
Speaker 5: Was entitlements that people were like, you're cunning, so strange.
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you're making it harder for us to win
Speaker 6: election rather than easier when your job is to make
Speaker 6: it easier. If Rick Scott sneaks through, it'll be because
Speaker 6: the establishments split them, split their votes between Thune and Cornyn,
Speaker 6: which would be an impressive own goal on their.
Speaker 7: Part, right, Yeah, and a couple of other things to mentioned.
Speaker 7: Trump has so far stayed out of the race, and
Speaker 7: obviously that you mean they're voting now, even jad Vance,
Speaker 7: who's there, it's.
Speaker 4: Very clearly Rick Scott.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, although you know Cornyn is obviously trying to
Speaker 7: be really friendly with those folks. And I think Trump
Speaker 7: just wants whoever wins. That's probably the correct theory, so
Speaker 7: why he stayed out of it. Jad Vance wouldn't say
Speaker 7: who he was voting for, according to at least the
Speaker 7: earlier reports were getting when he was or who he
Speaker 7: was supporting when he.
Speaker 5: Came to the Senate today.
Speaker 7: So Trump is on Capitol Hill today, he's actually.
Speaker 5: Going to talk to people. He's going to the White House.
Speaker 7: That's another important like subplot in today's crazy news cycle
Speaker 7: with all the appointments and all of this going on.
Speaker 7: But Mitch McConnell is the longest serving party leader in
Speaker 7: the history of the sign it. So that's why this
Speaker 7: is extremely consequential. Thun and Cornin had a lot of
Speaker 7: negative things to say about Donald Trump over the years
Speaker 7: when it came to things like the Access Hollywood tape.
Speaker 7: Obviously they voted differently than a lot of the Mega
Speaker 7: when would want them to in Ukraine. So there's this
Speaker 7: real deep seated fear that they will do everything they
Speaker 7: can to undermine the goals of the Mega agenda when
Speaker 7: it's actually you rubber meets the road in legislation and
Speaker 7: even just as their fundraising and negotiating and all of
Speaker 7: that stuff, you mis McConnell is seen as somebody who,
Speaker 7: going back to the Tea Party years, was undercutting the
Speaker 7: hard right in fundraising and at his Senate leadership fund and.
Speaker 5: With those various groups.
Speaker 7: So it's a it's a pretty consequential position and definitely
Speaker 7: a new era in the GOP.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Interesting up next the Russian counter offensive and Cursk as
Speaker 6: both sides away kind of Trump's intervention in this conflict,
Speaker 6: so we can put D one up on the screen.
Speaker 6: It's very hard to know what's going on in the
Speaker 6: war between Russia and Ukraine, obviously because both sides are
Speaker 6: pushing in a propaganda but you know, according to the
Speaker 6: Ukrainian forces, the last couple of days have been among
Speaker 6: the highest rates of casualt is almost two thousand a
Speaker 6: piece into two straight days for Russian forces as they
Speaker 6: have launched a counter offensive. Now Ukraine does not break down,
Speaker 6: you know how that includes, you know, whether that includes
Speaker 6: you know, killed, wounded, or taken prisoner.
Speaker 4: But the reason that it's.
Speaker 6: It's plausible that Russia is suffering huge cases that they
Speaker 6: are trying in the space of a couple of months
Speaker 6: to take back as much territory as they possibly can
Speaker 6: before Trump is torn in.
Speaker 4: On January twentieth, over the weekend, you can put up
Speaker 4: D to here.
Speaker 6: There are a lot of reports that Russia was massing,
Speaker 6: you know, fifty thousand troops for this curse counter offensive.
Speaker 4: Many of them actually North Korean special forces.
Speaker 6: So this is this is where because what they're trying
Speaker 6: to do, and what court what they claim that they
Speaker 6: have successfully been able to do is mass this fifty
Speaker 6: thousand person fighting force without taking troops.
Speaker 4: Away from anywhere else on the on the front lines.
Speaker 6: And so it would stand to reason that because they
Speaker 6: are just throwing as many people as they can at
Speaker 6: the Ukrainian defenses, that they are indeed suffering, you know,
Speaker 6: significant casualties.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that they will ultimately be able
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 6: Stopped because they just have they have more manpower than
Speaker 6: Ukraine does at this point. Now, obviously the defensive line
Speaker 6: is much easier to maintain with land mines and with
Speaker 6: with drone technology. And you know, meanwhile, Russia is launching
Speaker 6: enormous numbers apparently of suicide drones at the Ukrainians. So
Speaker 6: this is going to be hell on Earth probably for
Speaker 6: the next several weeks or months, as as the two
Speaker 6: sides jockey for position ahead of what they both expect
Speaker 6: will be some kind of a forced ceasefire.
Speaker 4: You put up the third element here.
Speaker 6: This is an article from Newsweek making the same point.
Speaker 6: Russia racing gets time to retake Kursk ahead of ahead
Speaker 6: of Trump ceasefire.
Speaker 7: That's I think an interesting way to frame this. And
Speaker 7: you talked about that when we opened the show up
Speaker 7: a little bit. And I guess, how connected do you
Speaker 7: think this is? I mean, this is happening against the
Speaker 7: backdrop of all of these actually fairly hawkish appointments. I'm
Speaker 7: genuinely heterodox, but like fairly hawkish appointments coming out. So
Speaker 7: how connected do you think this is from Donald Trump?
Speaker 7: I should say, how connected do you think this is
Speaker 7: the potential shift in policyunder Donald Trump, which, by the way,
Speaker 7: we don't actually know would what it would be because
Speaker 7: Trump repeatedly over the course of the campaign trail hedged
Speaker 7: on his plan. He said he doesn't want to say
Speaker 7: his plan because it would be telegraphing too much to
Speaker 7: world leaders. Obviously, people are worried that Trump is going
Speaker 7: to appoint people who are or Trump already has appointed
Speaker 7: people for example, Rubio didn't fully back the Ukraine spending
Speaker 7: just several months ago, and that Donald Trump will be
Speaker 7: more aligned with Tucker Carlson on You Crane and heal
Speaker 7: a point, Tulsa Gabbard and Robert F. Kennedy junior powerful positions,
Speaker 7: and he'll be listening to them. So far, that's not
Speaker 7: really what is foreign policy looks like it'll be shaping
Speaker 7: up to be in the second administration. But how connected
Speaker 7: do you think it is to the possibility what we're
Speaker 7: seeing right now is connected to the possibility that there's
Speaker 7: a hawkish shift in Washington.
Speaker 4: I think it's completely what we're saying here interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Because Biden's been pretty hawkish.
Speaker 6: Not hawk I think that Putin really does feel like
Speaker 6: uh and Zelenski feel the same way.
Speaker 4: I think that that that Trump.
Speaker 6: Is going to try to end this war so that
Speaker 6: he can deliver on a kind of campaign promise, and
Speaker 6: he and Trump has said that there has to be
Speaker 6: a negotiated end to this, and so I think everybody
Speaker 6: feels like they the end is coming. Whether Trump can
Speaker 6: actually enforce an end is an open question, but people
Speaker 6: think that he's going to try.
Speaker 4: You put up we can put up D four here.
Speaker 6: This is Fox News reporter Trey Yinst who's saying, you
Speaker 6: can't understand how challenging the front is right now for
Speaker 6: Ukrainian forces. Updated maps show multiple Russian advances in Donetsk.
Speaker 6: This comes as reports indicate fifty thousand Russian in North
Speaker 6: Koretan's order staging for a counter offensive a curse.
Speaker 4: So they're making it, making advances in donuts while also.
Speaker 6: Pushing here as well to against a very much depleted force.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 4: Zelensky just the other day, actually we can put up
Speaker 4: D five here. This is at a press.
Speaker 6: Conference with European media where Zelenski said, look, we're not
Speaker 6: you know, Trump can try to push me into a deal,
Speaker 6: but I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to make one.
Speaker 6: Zelenski said, I believe that President Trump really wants a
Speaker 6: quick decision unquote to end the conflict, but he added, quote,
Speaker 6: it doesn't mean that it will happen this way. Zelenski's
Speaker 6: stressed that a peace process must be just and not
Speaker 6: risk leaving Ukraine vulnerable.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 6: Trump wants this war to be finished, as Zelenski continued
Speaker 6: acknowledging that while everyone shares that goal, Uh that you know,
Speaker 6: Ukraine is not going to be kind of pushed around,
Speaker 6: so like there is That's that's Lensky's claim. So everybody
Speaker 6: is aware that Trump wants to end this. What that
Speaker 6: actually means, what Trump does with that, and what that
Speaker 6: means on the ground is the thing that they're fighting
Speaker 6: fighting through now.
Speaker 7: And obviously if Putin is able to make significant advances,
Speaker 7: it gives him leverage to any potential.
Speaker 6: Right now, Ukrainian Ukraine is in Russia. Yeah, which, right, Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Has hoped with no plan to exit, right, and some.
Speaker 6: In Ukraine I hope like, Okay, this is our leverage
Speaker 6: then to get back Ukrainian territory.
Speaker 4: Right, We'll give you back this Russian territory. Right, So
Speaker 4: we'll say this. You know this.
Speaker 6: It's almost twenty twenty five, and this is war that's
Speaker 6: been going for years that really shouldn't be.
Speaker 7: This is awful and North Korea's involvement is also I
Speaker 7: think disconcerting one. I mean, wrapping all of the nuclear
Speaker 7: powers into one conflict.
Speaker 5: What could go wrong?
Speaker 4: Yes, come on, yeah, all right, Ryan.
Speaker 7: We we have a guest lined up that is very
Speaker 7: eager to get this perspective, someone who you've worked with,
Speaker 7: a drop side who's written.
Speaker 4: For drop site about Baker Abed.
Speaker 6: A reporter from dary Bala joins next to talk about
Speaker 6: what conditions are like there after the already day deadline
Speaker 6: given by the United States to Israel to increase humanitarian
Speaker 6: aid has expired, so stick around for that. Joining us
Speaker 6: now from Daari Bala Gaza is Abu Baker ab Ed,
Speaker 6: contributor at drop site News.
Speaker 4: Abu Bacher, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me as well, and
Speaker 2: let's start.
Speaker 6: We can put your dispatch up on the screen here.
Speaker 6: This was in drop site yesterday. Incredible first person report
Speaker 6: that also gets into a lot of the kind of
Speaker 6: technical details as well as what's going on. I just
Speaker 6: want to read a quick portion from it for people's
Speaker 6: they can get a flavor for it. You write, I
Speaker 6: dream of food every day. I imagine our fridge full
Speaker 6: of meat, lettuce, milk, and cheese. I sometimes talk to
Speaker 6: myself at night when I'm hungry and have nothing to eat.
Speaker 6: I dream of when I was able to sit at
Speaker 6: a dinner table with my family again. My nephew and niece,
Speaker 6: both two years old, wake up every day crying for
Speaker 6: an egg. Their mothers don't know what to do. To
Speaker 6: distract them a bit, we show them videos of eggs
Speaker 6: on the internet. You also, you know you write about
Speaker 6: some anecdotes where a mother breastfeeding a baby, waiting in
Speaker 6: line for hours for something and just coming up empty.
Speaker 6: But your story also gets into the data and the
Speaker 6: stats about what is what is getting what is getting in.
Speaker 6: So as you compare the conditions that you've been able
Speaker 6: to report on over the last you know, several weeks
Speaker 6: and a month, and if you compare those two several
Speaker 6: months ago, how how do those compare? Because of the
Speaker 6: State Department said Israel has one month to improve, did
Speaker 6: things improve?
Speaker 2: Not at all? No, unfortunately, because I've been like caring
Speaker 2: from the secretary blinking like for over like since the
Speaker 2: start of this genocide. But he's absolutely been mine because
Speaker 2: what we see on the ground is that even a
Speaker 2: humanitarian organization so not allowed to operate well across the territory.
Speaker 2: But at the same time I need to tell you
Speaker 2: is that even aid is not disputed well to families
Speaker 2: like for example, a lot of families here are growning
Speaker 2: in pain and growning in hunger every single day because
Speaker 2: there is no aid reaching them on a very daily basis.
Speaker 2: Because these people have been displaced, they have no hope
Speaker 2: at the moment, they don't work, their families don't have
Speaker 2: anything to do with this war because they're not a
Speaker 2: party to this war. So these say that if there
Speaker 2: are humanitarian organizations work on the ground. So why are
Speaker 2: we not receiving aid every single day? And I can
Speaker 2: tell you that there are many families here in particular
Speaker 2: around me where I am at the moment, and they
Speaker 2: can tell you that since the start of this genocide
Speaker 2: they haven't received any eight boxes at all at all,
Speaker 2: literally at all. And let me start with myself. I
Speaker 2: haven't received anything from the start of this war. But
Speaker 2: it's very important to tell you that our main objective,
Speaker 2: our main home is that this war must stand. We
Speaker 2: don't need aid, we don't need anything. But what we've
Speaker 2: seen over the last two weeks in particular, is that
Speaker 2: people have been falling out a lot to bring in
Speaker 2: some aid, to bring in flows of aid and quite
Speaker 2: you know, enhance the humanitarian situation inside gards. But instead
Speaker 2: the United States has sent more weapons, there's reading more bonds,
Speaker 2: it's killed much more families, many more families around CAUs
Speaker 2: here and there that at least over the past two weeks,
Speaker 2: it sister start to all they like, over the last
Speaker 2: thirty days and we're talking about more than one hundred
Speaker 2: people have been killed in dur And yesterday. Since we're
Speaker 2: set a place here once more time, and two children
Speaker 2: were killed, many others were unjured. So it's a very
Speaker 2: apocalyptic situation here.
Speaker 7: And I know you're familiar with all of the arguments
Speaker 7: from people in the Western particular who will say the
Speaker 7: reason this food isn't getting to the people who need
Speaker 7: it is because of her mask and her masks to
Speaker 7: blame for people. If people are hungry, it's because of
Speaker 7: her mask. But then a lot of people will add
Speaker 7: to that argument that it's some mythical famine and it's
Speaker 7: not really happening.
Speaker 5: Those two positions are sort of mutually exclusive. But what
Speaker 5: do you say to two people.
Speaker 7: Who just cannot what is the way for you know,
Speaker 7: food to actually get to people who desperately need it?
Speaker 7: You know, how can countries go ahead?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like there's some sort of you know
Speaker 2: that warplanes aid work planes like through eight upon us
Speaker 2: and this has been rebated over the course of time,
Speaker 2: But this is a humiliation. This way and method has
Speaker 2: killed hundreds of people. Like there is an eight box
Speaker 2: throw like thrown over a tent and it just damaged
Speaker 2: this tent and be all inside it or killed. But
Speaker 2: the way is, the safest way is is to open
Speaker 2: the two crossings that Israel has closed past thirty days
Speaker 2: and since May, because the right crossing has been for
Speaker 2: since May. And you mentioned something again like Emily, I'm
Speaker 2: not a political person, but what I've seen on the
Speaker 2: ground yesterday, because people haven't been aware of that. A
Speaker 2: lot that on Twitter, but they deleted it. Then I
Speaker 2: mean in Almagaza refugee cap except for gods, that is
Speaker 2: so cluss for me to me. If things are like
Speaker 2: what people are thinking about, then why yesterday they are
Speaker 2: not for me? They're not have mass fighters because there
Speaker 2: are local security forces, that's what we call them, That's
Speaker 2: how we should call them. Yesterday they intercepted the work
Speaker 2: of a group of gangs and melicias that tried to
Speaker 2: hit Jack and Aid the truck coming from Calmbo cell
Speaker 2: And to Central Conzo. So if it is about Hamas,
Speaker 2: if we talk about that, then why this why the
Speaker 2: local security forces yesterday risked themselves and went out just
Speaker 2: to intercept this work. This absolutely discussing and disgraceful work.
Speaker 2: But we need to know that these people, these gangs
Speaker 2: are assigned business is really military to cause chaos and
Speaker 2: to cause this sort of confusion and turmoil among people
Speaker 2: and deprive thousands of families trapped the territory from this
Speaker 2: very important aid because I myself and a lot of families,
Speaker 2: every single family around us here in the south, they're
Speaker 2: in the north, they are buying maid and we buy
Speaker 2: that by extremely excessive and unimaginable prices, and the prices
Speaker 2: are skyrocting. But also it's very important to know that
Speaker 2: the aid we're getting either to uran to emilate with
Speaker 2: the audience. People like respect us. We are humans like you.
Speaker 2: The aid we're getting is absolutely if the lowest equality
Speaker 2: they sin does absolutely the lowest equality. Talk to people here,
Speaker 2: they have had many times like severe gastro entritis, habrit artists,
Speaker 2: a virus, and then when they are dispatch at the hospital.
Speaker 2: We've been talking to doctors from the ground and they
Speaker 2: told us that it is because of this aid. Because
Speaker 2: this aid is absolutely so bad, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It tastes so bad. So do not allow the flow
Speaker 2: of aid to get into the terre tree, into gods
Speaker 2: at the Besis enclave and then send us or dispatch
Speaker 2: some sort of very bad quality. Eight. That is not
Speaker 2: the case because we are a human students like we
Speaker 2: are We're accepting the fact to be starved, but do
Speaker 2: not humiliate us and dehumanize us by sending such so
Speaker 2: called ape that you are sending us, which is absolutely
Speaker 2: non you know, non peachable. All.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you write in the article about how how much
Speaker 6: of the flower is completely bug infested, that pet food
Speaker 6: is becoming, uh, you know, something of a staple. But
Speaker 6: I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little bit more
Speaker 6: on what you were saying about the gangs who are
Speaker 6: kind of who have have risen up, because there is
Speaker 6: a lot of uh, suspicion from from outside. They say,
Speaker 6: how is it that the IDF How is it that
Speaker 6: Israel is allowing all of these gangs to flourish? You
Speaker 6: know that they're able to say, drones are you know,
Speaker 6: flying constantly everywhere. They can see the armed gangs going around,
Speaker 6: you know, hijacking aid, they attack, they attack a mass
Speaker 6: if they are able to see them.
Speaker 4: But they allow yet they allow these gangs to go forward.
Speaker 4: How what is the relationship here?
Speaker 2: I mean, like there is a very important thing to know,
Speaker 2: which is that, like all, what is happening on the ground.
Speaker 2: Because I've been speaking to some merchants from the ground,
Speaker 2: and what they can tell you is that all thinks,
Speaker 2: all of these events, the train of events is happening
Speaker 2: near Carmobzell. It's all about that area, which is which
Speaker 2: is the crossing through which things are allowed to enter
Speaker 2: the strap. But what happened here is that the Israeli
Speaker 2: military is send the guad copters and drones to like
Speaker 2: for surveillance tasks and to watch over what is happening nearby.
Speaker 2: And then when they say because they mark their you
Speaker 2: know their gangs, and they're as signed to gangs and militias,
Speaker 2: so they see one like a hart from their gangs,
Speaker 2: they directly upon this group of people, for example, if
Speaker 2: they are local security forces, because there is a difference
Speaker 2: between a gain. There's a difference between the resistance fighters
Speaker 2: who are Hamas fighters for people who are fighting this
Speaker 2: really liblitary, and a difference between the low security forces.
Speaker 2: Local security forces are absolutely civilonious. They have nothing to
Speaker 2: do with hamas, so they are not hamass to bomb
Speaker 2: them and kill them. So that is what is really
Speaker 2: having relationship is that we've seen here in their black
Speaker 2: mindseft that a group of people in the southwest of
Speaker 2: they can have been armed by those really liblitary weapons
Speaker 2: and et cetera. So when you talk about it, like
Speaker 2: Hamass doesn't have the ability to have such weapons, so
Speaker 2: you can expect that these people are goes in such
Speaker 2: a great deal of panic among people, even that during
Speaker 2: the night hours, like some people are getting out of
Speaker 2: their houses, they are then you know, held at gunpoint
Speaker 2: by these gangs and they are threatened just like together
Speaker 2: everything they have. So a lot of people have gone
Speaker 2: through such an experience because of these gangs who have
Speaker 2: creative such carriers, and a lot of people have lost
Speaker 2: many things. Like for example, a merchant has a big
Speaker 2: amount of money coming out to like going out to
Speaker 2: bring some goods or something, and of course there are
Speaker 2: unimaginable crisis and then they have such money and then
Speaker 2: those gangs signed by Israeli military and the Israel army
Speaker 2: are going to face them, confront them and take all
Speaker 2: this money from them under the threat of gone fire
Speaker 2: and you know, killing.
Speaker 4: Them, yeah, Israel.
Speaker 6: Israeli politicians have talked about the strategy of propping up
Speaker 6: and arming gangs in order to kind of sew dissension
Speaker 6: inside of gods and to undermine hamas.
Speaker 4: Is that people's understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 2: I mean there is, yeah, they really know, but it's
Speaker 2: just because that like there's a lot of chios and supportunity,
Speaker 2: so we don't know where aid does go. I'm very
Speaker 2: sorry that people have to know to understand events that
Speaker 2: those gangs, it is very surprising and chucking. But we've
Speaker 2: seen this on the ground, which is those gangs sometimes
Speaker 2: belong to the humanitarian organizations working on the ground. So
Speaker 2: for example Honora or World such Eekitchen. I'm not getting
Speaker 2: say I'm saying for example, but I've seen people who
Speaker 2: are responsible for this sort of acts in the territory,
Speaker 2: stealing and jacking rugs, they belong to those humanitarian organizations.
Speaker 2: I've been speaking to people and outside, like the audience.
Speaker 2: I'm telling them all the time that the humanitarian organizations
Speaker 2: do not operate well, not only because they are under
Speaker 2: the threat of the Israeli military. No, because most of them,
Speaker 2: like some of them at Sile, are responsible or liable
Speaker 2: and viable, and they are the mastermind of these acts
Speaker 2: of hijacking, et cetera. So we will understand and know
Speaker 2: that these are humanitarian organizations are also responsible for what
Speaker 2: they are going through. The starvation force upon them. But
Speaker 2: the main reason we need to know that all of
Speaker 2: this has because of Isuel literacy. So there is nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the civilians or the local security forces.
Speaker 2: The local security forces are doing the very best. They
Speaker 2: are exerting strenuous efforts to secure the flow of aid
Speaker 2: in the interview. The interview aid to all people around
Speaker 2: the cause it simply bumps them. So that's what is
Speaker 2: really happening on the ground. And people have to also
Speaker 2: realize the fact that is like signing people. And we
Speaker 2: are in a time that people would easily give up
Speaker 2: for principles and there you know, they're I mean create
Speaker 2: just to find some sort of living and try to
Speaker 2: resist them. It's such incredibly harsh circumstances, so they are
Speaker 2: easily bombosled and deceived and persuaded. But there is real
Speaker 2: army to work within such a very you know, a
Speaker 2: very bad and moral way.
Speaker 5: Ranger, we play the State Department club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's roll.
Speaker 6: I wanted to get your response to the State Department
Speaker 6: spokesperson Vitam Patel.
Speaker 4: Yesterday was the deadline for Israel.
Speaker 6: The deadline set by the United States and metrics set
Speaker 6: by the United States that deadline hit yesterday, and here's
Speaker 6: how the State Department responded and when to get some
Speaker 6: of your response to it.
Speaker 4: And that's well, Vatampateel, this is E five.
Speaker 14: Did you bother to put in three hundred and fifty
Speaker 14: trucks a day? If it doesn't matter, I'm not going
Speaker 14: to speak to the I mean, you keep saying you're
Speaker 14: not going to speak to specific metrics, but you guys
Speaker 14: are the ones that made this specific.
Speaker 4: We didn't.
Speaker 14: We didn't give the Israelis thirty days to do all
Speaker 14: this stuff.
Speaker 4: You guys did. And now those thirty days are up.
Speaker 14: And as you heard from everyone so far, and these
Speaker 14: aid groups that came out last night, they haven't met them.
Speaker 14: And all of a sudden, you say that the metrics
Speaker 14: that you put out don't matter.
Speaker 5: We've never said I had never said that they don't matter.
Speaker 5: What I said was, I mean, these are metrics exactly
Speaker 5: like you've put out.
Speaker 1: It's not a rabbit point.
Speaker 8: Its meaning I don't want to take up time getting
Speaker 8: into a specific tit for tat on like truck numbers.
Speaker 5: But what's your response to that exchange between Matt Lee.
Speaker 2: I've seen that, Yeah, I've seen that yesterday I saw it.
Speaker 2: But it's a really as I told you that they
Speaker 2: are just manufacturing the genocide in Gaza. They are reliable
Speaker 2: for every brutal act of killing children, disempoweing them and
Speaker 2: dismembering them. Uh, and they are not allowing any shot
Speaker 2: bit to get it. They're just lying to people all
Speaker 2: around because everyone here knows, like from the ground charp
Speaker 2: tell them like I can tell you the man a
Speaker 2: few sid nieces are who haven't exceeded five years old,
Speaker 2: they can tell you that the United States is killing
Speaker 2: us because they have you know, they have that sort
Speaker 2: of notes right now of what the United States is about.
Speaker 2: Because it's really important to know that the United States
Speaker 2: is compab trating the genocide in Gaza. And you can
Speaker 2: see right now how many like there is a full
Speaker 2: generation of amputees in You can go out and what
Speaker 2: any of the seasons in gars so either in the
Speaker 2: south and the north, and you can see at least
Speaker 2: two three people amputated. And this is a result and
Speaker 2: a symptom of this is as American genocide have an underground.
Speaker 2: So the United States have never ever wanted this and
Speaker 2: like look I've been like I'm not a particular person
Speaker 2: it once again, but one I can tell you that
Speaker 2: the United State States have never wanted base, and it's
Speaker 2: responsible for every conflict that is happening across the law,
Speaker 2: even in your create, even even in Soudan, because they
Speaker 2: are aremen, the rs F that is responsible for the
Speaker 2: generoside that. So it's the United States. The United States
Speaker 2: have never wanted base, and it will continue supporting and
Speaker 2: funded genocide in Cauca and army industry because it's visually
Speaker 2: it's their friends. It's there, you know, a lie, you know,
Speaker 2: staunch chest, you know, friend of c But again, I
Speaker 2: mean like if the United States ever ever cared about us,
Speaker 2: this would end from a very very call from binding
Speaker 2: in the beginning or week of this war. Just it
Speaker 2: was something put there. It was just simply but Hamas
Speaker 2: tought it like the fighters, the resistance as we called it,
Speaker 2: told the Israeli military that we could think exchange prisidents.
Speaker 2: And what we know so far is that after week
Speaker 2: this really army has goed more of that five thousand
Speaker 2: people in Glaza. So this sort of retaliation is more
Speaker 2: of that. This is more of a disproportionate response to
Speaker 2: what Hamas did the seventh. Okay, But then when things
Speaker 2: were put and the conditions were put by you know,
Speaker 2: by Hamas and resistant fighters here, this realimitaries said no,
Speaker 2: and they put one condition, which is not to into Gaza,
Speaker 2: not to invade us are because this sort of havoc
Speaker 2: upon the city. But then he said no, Biden, could
Speaker 2: it change things and could force Israel not to go
Speaker 2: ahead with its annexation in the files of plan and
Speaker 2: to be seeched in life. But again Binding wants the
Speaker 2: world wants to erase Gods because it's getting benefits from
Speaker 2: occupying the land a very you know, a very tiny
Speaker 2: tread that is that is full of you know, matter
Speaker 2: of sources, like sources like gasp because you can see
Speaker 2: the pier there that has been built many months ago.
Speaker 2: It's used because people are expecting right now, local experts
Speaker 2: are expecting the geographic you know, experts are expecting that
Speaker 2: this peer will turn into will be turned into apport,
Speaker 2: seaport to allow those real military or the Israelis to
Speaker 2: do you know, this sort of commercial transfers between other
Speaker 2: countries between Europe and Asia, because Gods is in Asia,
Speaker 2: so you can see that. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to say this.
Speaker 2: We very We're very hopeful people, and I'm just hopeful.
Speaker 2: I'm only twenty one years old, but i can tell
Speaker 2: you I've processed that I will emerge from this with all. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm not a political person, but what is really happening
Speaker 2: is first for most and always is demetrated by the US.
Speaker 2: Could not infing like stay one month in Gaza without
Speaker 2: the support of these of the United States.
Speaker 7: Well, and actually that might be a good opening here
Speaker 7: to rule E four, which is a clip of Code
Speaker 7: Pink activists anti war activists here in the United States
Speaker 7: some months ago approaching Senator Marco Rubio about his support
Speaker 7: for the Warren Gaza. And this is obviously as Marco
Speaker 7: Rubio now this was before, but now is being considered
Speaker 7: for a Secretary of State role here in the United States.
Speaker 7: So let's go ahead and roll e for Marco Rubio's
Speaker 7: response to the Code Pink activists in the Senate hallway.
Speaker 4: I want you guys to get this.
Speaker 11: I want them to destroy every element of promastic and
Speaker 11: get their hands on These people are vicious animals who
Speaker 11: did horrifying crimes.
Speaker 4: And I hope you guys post that.
Speaker 10: About the civilians every day.
Speaker 2: Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, putting civilians in the way.
Speaker 4: Hamas knew that this was going to lead to this,
Speaker 4: so Hamas has stopped building their military installations underneath hospital.
Speaker 2: So you don't care that fifteen thousand, you don't care
Speaker 2: about the babies that are.
Speaker 4: I think it's terrible, and I think Hamas is one
Speaker 4: hundred percent to blame.
Speaker 7: So that's obviously an ascendent view in the incoming Trump administration.
Speaker 13: And I'm so.
Speaker 5: Very representative. Go ahead, I'm sorry to.
Speaker 2: Get you off this claim that it's all about Mass.
Speaker 2: It's all about what is happening like for example, I'm
Speaker 2: not Mass. I have no connection with that mass. My
Speaker 2: family doesn't have any relationship with any amassment. Okay, then
Speaker 2: why my being subjected to brutu and she and pure
Speaker 2: brutality and comparison and starvation. Then this is the question
Speaker 2: a lot of families because of health ministry. It's just
Speaker 2: announced the day that Israel has completely wiped out more
Speaker 2: than four thousand and five hundred families with no survivors.
Speaker 2: Tell me, among the death all are more than seventeen
Speaker 2: thousand children, most of them are under five years old.
Speaker 2: What have they got to do with Mass. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's utterly despicable and utterly disgusting that people are still
Speaker 2: believing in these things. And again, Israeli military is asen.
Speaker 2: The military self is born all those who have exceeded
Speaker 2: eighteen years old in their colony. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say territory, Bob. Here you have the choice you never
Speaker 2: ever Hamas is going to tell you that you have
Speaker 2: your obliged to belong to us, never ever. And we
Speaker 2: have to know that there are four more than four
Speaker 2: political parties in Gaza. So where is Hannas in this
Speaker 2: equation that people are claiming talking about that we can
Speaker 2: justify the murder of more than seventeen thousand children, ten
Speaker 2: thousand women. I mean, look, I'm truly fit up with that,
Speaker 2: like to the level of that. Even some journalists from
Speaker 2: the Times, the Sunday Times in the UK and other
Speaker 2: places like the Guardian have asked me about this sort
Speaker 2: of you know things that about Mass, about other spirit Already,
Speaker 2: we have nothing to do with that. Like a lot
Speaker 2: of people here, you talk about that least than forty
Speaker 2: thousand Hamass fighters. Okay, so how many families are in Gaza?
Speaker 2: Much much more many many more than that. You're talking
Speaker 2: about more than two hundred thousand families, and why have
Speaker 2: full team like five thousand around five thousand families been
Speaker 2: wiped out with violence. Like for example, I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: you an example like Tom a Ryus whose name went
Speaker 2: fired when he was killed along with his wife in
Speaker 2: Gaza City. He was a chieved in with scholar and
Speaker 2: he was killed brutally called cold blood, along with his
Speaker 2: entire family. And they are still under the rock. By
Speaker 2: the way, a lot of people are selling the what
Speaker 2: like my neighbors. A child was bombed like November last year,
Speaker 2: today today, ten days later from today, it's well marketing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's will market year now from the time he was bombed.
Speaker 2: And he's still he's still undergrable for one year, one
Speaker 2: whole year. He's five years old, he's a he is
Speaker 2: a disabled child. And then tell me what has he
Speaker 2: got to do with him mask. Look, it's utterly irritated
Speaker 2: and I don't know, Like if you want to justify
Speaker 2: it again, it's very important trying animally to be a
Speaker 2: human for being a Germanist. If you're not a human,
Speaker 2: then don't be a Germanist. Like it's very simple as
Speaker 2: that there is a four people that has been exterminated
Speaker 2: at the moment, they have nothing to do with Hamas. Okay,
Speaker 2: and don't tell me that Hamas eyes behind civilians because look,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say anything about this. But of course,
Speaker 2: of course, like from me, I don't see anyone like
Speaker 2: around it, and I don't know that just just want
Speaker 2: the killing of you know, many people, many innocent wives,
Speaker 2: like I've lost my entire ants family, Like I mean, what.
Speaker 13: Have I to do with that?
Speaker 2: I don't know what I can tell you that's justifying this.
Speaker 6: This Yeah, and the man that that man is reported
Speaker 6: to be headed to become Secretary of State to replace
Speaker 6: Anthony Blincoln.
Speaker 4: You know, what has been the reaction among people and.
Speaker 6: Darry Bala or others that you've spoken to in Gaza
Speaker 6: to the Trump the Trump victory in the election.
Speaker 4: Do people expect to get worse to stay the same?
Speaker 4: What's the what are people? What's the response?
Speaker 2: There's a very good question. Yes, I wanted you to
Speaker 2: ask you this because like they have the same opinion
Speaker 2: of Trump. He's a genocide more cripple and that one
Speaker 2: binding is a genosa war criple, and we have no
Speaker 2: fault at all in Trump to upend the current situation
Speaker 2: at all at all, Like we don't have anything we
Speaker 2: need to remember that is that Trump, when he was
Speaker 2: the president of the United States, he announced and declared
Speaker 2: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. And he is responsible
Speaker 2: for the process of normalization with our countries with Israel.
Speaker 2: So this is something to remember that he is a
Speaker 2: cause for what is happening, because I'm sure if he
Speaker 2: didn't do that our countries. It's such a very difficult
Speaker 2: time and in the face of this sort of extreme adversity,
Speaker 2: did it really move and act and intervene to stop
Speaker 2: what is happening in the ground. But I can tell
Speaker 2: you that even we don't know about politics, but we
Speaker 2: have had like Trump has just like does just have
Speaker 2: a bad reputation a people in Kasa, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: have any good thing to do with us. And we
Speaker 2: will know and understand realize that Trump, that Trump will
Speaker 2: worsen the situation inside the besieged enc live, and that
Speaker 2: he will kill and be responsible for another virgin, renewed
Speaker 2: virgin of the genocide, that Jobe Bide the genocide, Joe
Speaker 2: bind It started in October the seventh of last year.
Speaker 6: And just I'm curious on a personal level, if you
Speaker 6: don't mind, mind we asked. It's it's mid afternoon there
Speaker 6: now in Gaza.
Speaker 4: What have you eaten so far today? And like what
Speaker 4: is what is your hope for what you might have
Speaker 4: before the day is over?
Speaker 2: You can see how the electricity was cut off. This
Speaker 2: is one of the main things that that is happening
Speaker 2: right down in Gaza. So it's very expected that I'm
Speaker 2: to continue. You are spinning the light and I'm hoping,
Speaker 2: and I'm like a human being. I'm human being. I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be a human being, and I'm just like wishing,
Speaker 2: hoping for a day instead of you, like for a moment,
Speaker 2: like give me like a moment of your life, of
Speaker 2: your worst day to me so that I can feel
Speaker 2: at least that I'm a human. But our Veta software
Speaker 2: is that again, it's just like some loaves of bread,
Speaker 2: if you have some bread, if you have it even
Speaker 2: and they are made by you know, they are made
Speaker 2: by bug infested flower of course, because there is no
Speaker 2: flower that has been allowed to enter the stread. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, we have like as I wrote
Speaker 2: in this piece. We have some like safted this local
Speaker 2: plate and with some all of us. So that's what
Speaker 2: we eat every single thing. It's just one time. So
Speaker 2: we are making a process. We're making a schedule payer
Speaker 2: you know, like we we we we minimize things. So
Speaker 2: every everyone has a pop a portion. Ifyone has to
Speaker 2: eat every single days, not eat you know, all day
Speaker 2: or you know, I mean like you can't eat all day.
Speaker 2: There's no way that you can eat all day. Now,
Speaker 2: it's just a small portion, a small part that you
Speaker 2: can eat all day because you want to maintain what
Speaker 2: you already have at your home. You want to maintain that.
Speaker 2: So if you eat like a little bit more than
Speaker 2: what is expected, then what is I mean, what is
Speaker 2: like a lot of bread or some a lot of
Speaker 2: bread or something, then you will run after food. And
Speaker 2: this is something we want to try to you know,
Speaker 2: we want to avoid as people hearing Gaza. But as
Speaker 2: a twenty one year old person, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: not the first war I've been through. The first five
Speaker 2: five wars in Gaza have been many GM signs. Now
Speaker 2: this is the biggest g inside I've been through. But
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I again I have hope.
Speaker 2: I have hope in people like you. They continue protesting
Speaker 2: and tackling the government every single day, and I hope
Speaker 2: that things will change because I will never and I
Speaker 2: can never lose hope at all at all, because I've
Speaker 2: been instilled into that to hope to life. No matter
Speaker 2: what circumstances are inflicted upon you, no matter what hell
Speaker 2: is a flicker, We're going to be. And I'm telling
Speaker 2: you from here, I don't know if I'm going to
Speaker 2: survive this brutality, this hellish time, but I can tell
Speaker 2: you that if I shot along, if I survive this
Speaker 2: shot along, which I'm very hopeful about, we're going to
Speaker 2: be the leaders of a free world. All this young
Speaker 2: generation has been educated during this time about post On,
Speaker 2: about the double standards of the bustling community, the hypocrisy
Speaker 2: of an entire wistream media outfit, channel a network. It
Speaker 2: will lead the prosparity of this free work. There will
Speaker 2: there will be free will lit by us. So no
Speaker 2: matter what happen, what has happened, noneally, and I'll give
Speaker 2: you breathe though, and I have everything to keep smiling
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, and no matter what's happening.
Speaker 6: Well, I hope that for you, Aba Bakra, and I
Speaker 6: know that you've talked about wanting to return to sports journalism,
Speaker 6: you know, which was your which was your love before
Speaker 6: you were kind of requisitioned into into what you've been.
Speaker 4: Doing for the past year.
Speaker 6: I just want to thank you for you sharing these
Speaker 6: stories that's perspective with us and give you our our
Speaker 6: very best from everybody here.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It was really important and very
Speaker 2: you know, very interesting to talk to you. But again,
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you one thing. In the end,
Speaker 2: it is about you that will lead this a change
Speaker 2: we hope in you, and please never ever think about
Speaker 2: leaving us alone, because you are the reflection of our
Speaker 2: whole and one hundred percent confident I'm prior of your
Speaker 2: work right and if you work emily, it is your
Speaker 2: responsibility to lead that a change and that it changed,
Speaker 2: it should be marked by your names. And we're going
Speaker 2: to make this word free from the United States. That
Speaker 2: must be free from the States administration, of course, not
Speaker 2: it's people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the best, we promise we will.
Speaker 6: Everybody watching should check out Abu Baker's latest article over
Speaker 6: at drop sitews dot com. Just just a very very
Speaker 6: powerful dispatch. Thank you, thank you for what you do,
Speaker 6: and we promise we'll keep it.
Speaker 2: Up in shuttle.
Speaker 8: All the.
Speaker 4: New York mayoral elections are coming up next June.
Speaker 6: Joining us now is Zuon Mam Donnie, who was a
Speaker 6: candidate for election in New York State Assembly member.
Speaker 4: Is that right, Yes, that's correct, Yes, I remember covering
Speaker 4: your first race.
Speaker 6: Part of this kind of DSA wave that kind of
Speaker 6: swept its way into power in New York City and
Speaker 6: across the state and has kind of reshaped the politics
Speaker 6: in an interesting way.
Speaker 4: What gave you the idea to jump from there to
Speaker 4: running for mayor?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 10: The cost of living crisis. To be frank with you,
Speaker 10: New Yorkers across the five boroughs are struggling to afford
Speaker 10: even a shred of dignity in their lives, and Mayor
Speaker 10: Eric Adams has used almost every opportunity to exacerbate that crisis.
Speaker 10: He has raised rents on more than two million New
Speaker 10: Yorkers by nine percent, rates we haven't seen since a
Speaker 10: Republican was running city Hall. He has supported khan En
Speaker 10: when they put in an application to raise New Yorker's
Speaker 10: utility bills by about seventy dollars a month. He has
Speaker 10: sat on his hands whenever he's had the opportunity to
Speaker 10: provide any kind of relief. And this is a position
Speaker 10: that New Yorker should look to as one that gives
Speaker 10: them respite from the economic crisis and the rest of
Speaker 10: their life, as opposed to one that is borning gasoline
Speaker 10: on the fire that is already consuming them now.
Speaker 7: It's also kind of an interesting position to be in
Speaker 7: with someone as someone with your politics, where you have
Speaker 7: a lot of populism and you know, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Speaker 7: also someone from the DSA Wave, was posting on her
Speaker 7: Instagram over the last couple of days.
Speaker 5: Asking people who voted for both her and.
Speaker 7: Donald Trump, because she had some split ticket and some
Speaker 7: shifts in her own district towards Donald Trump, why they
Speaker 7: saw her, why they would vote for both her and
Speaker 7: for Donald Trump. If you were talking to a voter
Speaker 7: who you know, for example, would be someone maybe who
Speaker 7: voted for Donald Trump and would vote for you, what's
Speaker 7: your pitch to them, even, you know, talking about the
Speaker 7: cost of living crisis, something that is probably very serious
Speaker 7: for a lot of people who may have voted for
Speaker 7: Donald Trump, how are you having those conversations basically as a.
Speaker 10: Populist, you know, I actually spent much of Sunday on
Speaker 10: Hillside Avenue in Queens and Fordham Road in the Bronx,
Speaker 10: which were two of the areas in New York City
Speaker 10: that swung most towards Trump, so even greater drop offs
Speaker 10: of voting overall. And when I spoke to voters about why,
Speaker 10: they told me it was cost of living, that they
Speaker 10: remember having more money in their pocket four years ago,
Speaker 10: that they couldn't afford their groceries today, and it was
Speaker 10: despair over war and the genocide and Gaza, and a
Speaker 10: feeling that Donald Trump, as insidance here as we know
Speaker 10: this to be, was the only candidate speaking to them
Speaker 10: about a desire for a more affordable life and bringing
Speaker 10: peace back to the world. And these are a lot
Speaker 10: of the issues, namely the economy and the inability to
Speaker 10: afford the price points that dominate people's day to day lives.
Speaker 10: And so when I spoke to those voters and I
Speaker 10: asked them what would it take to bring you back
Speaker 10: to the Democratic Party, because many of them had previously
Speaker 10: been voting for Democrats, And they said, a focus on
Speaker 10: these very issues, and so I told them about my
Speaker 10: mayoral race and my opening promise to freeze the rent
Speaker 10: for every rent stabilized tenant, to make buses fast and
Speaker 10: free for the more than million New Yorkers who ride
Speaker 10: them every day, and to bring universal childcare into New
Speaker 10: yorkers lives, whether their child is six weeks of age
Speaker 10: or five years, because these are the price points that
Speaker 10: are pushing New Yorkers out of the city that they
Speaker 10: call home.
Speaker 6: And so the movement that you've kind of come out
Speaker 6: of and been been a leader of is kind of
Speaker 6: an entanglement of a couple of different currents. On the
Speaker 6: one hand, it's the it's the Bernie Sanders, We're going
Speaker 6: to make sure that you know you can afford you know,
Speaker 6: your rent, your college, your growth groceries, you can make
Speaker 6: sure you can live a dignified life. And then there's
Speaker 6: the more the cultural elements of it, which became associated
Speaker 6: with a lot of it. Defund the police, abolish ice, and.
Speaker 7: On and on.
Speaker 6: When you talk to when you talk to voters, what
Speaker 6: where do they see kind of that that wing of
Speaker 6: the party coming from. Do they associate it more with
Speaker 6: we're going to make people's material lives better or do
Speaker 6: they associate it more with the other elements that Fox
Speaker 6: News will talk about and Democratic Party leaders will kind
Speaker 6: of condemn.
Speaker 4: Whenever there's some type of electoral problems for them.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say that Bernie is probably the figure
Speaker 10: that loom's largest in voters' minds when thinking about the
Speaker 10: left wing of the party, and his response to Tuesday's
Speaker 10: election is one that has been found to be quite
Speaker 10: compelling to a lot of these very working class voters
Speaker 10: that I spoke to, which is a response that the
Speaker 10: Democratic Party left working class Americans a long time ago,
Speaker 10: and now working class Americans are leaving the Democratic Party,
Speaker 10: and I think that it is an association with an
Speaker 10: inability to afford those day to day expenses. And you know,
Speaker 10: I would also say that at the same time as
Speaker 10: nearly half a million New Yorkers, fewer New Yorkers voted
Speaker 10: for Harris than had voted for Biden four years ago,
Speaker 10: we also saw the passage of Prop One, which was
Speaker 10: a proposal to enshrine reproductive rights and truly civil rights
Speaker 10: for all, including trans New Yorkers, pass it quite staggering
Speaker 10: margins across the state. And I think that this is
Speaker 10: also indicative of the past across the country which passed
Speaker 10: on issues that should be central to the Democratic Party,
Speaker 10: and yet voters trust referendums more than they trust Democrats.
Speaker 10: And it's time that we ask ourselves why is that
Speaker 10: the case? And how can we deliver on those actual issues?
Speaker 7: And in some sense, obviously the rumor candidate Andrew Cuomo
Speaker 7: is the perfect foil to this like left populism for
Speaker 7: all of the reasons. In the State Assembly obviously very
Speaker 7: familiar with the Cuomo legacy in Albany. So in what
Speaker 7: sense or how hard will it be should he enter
Speaker 7: the race to kind of get people's attention. Is it
Speaker 7: easier to get people's attention because he has so many
Speaker 7: obvious vulnerabilities politically, But he'll come in with a lot
Speaker 7: of you know, built in media institutional knowledge with media
Speaker 7: organizations and ability to sort of suckle out of oxygen
Speaker 7: out of the room for himself.
Speaker 5: What's the dynamic going to be like for you if
Speaker 5: that happens.
Speaker 10: I think Andrew Cuomo knows that the longer he's in
Speaker 10: this race, the more difficult it is for him. And
Speaker 10: that's why he's yet to announce his candidacy because He
Speaker 10: doesn't want to expose himself to four or five six
Speaker 10: months of an actual inspection of his record. He wants
Speaker 10: to simply coast on the reputation that he used public
Speaker 10: dollars to burnish, a reputation he was more interested in
Speaker 10: than actually saving New Yorkers' lives at the height of COVID.
Speaker 10: And what I am excited by is the opportunity to
Speaker 10: tell New Yorkers why we are in the situation we
Speaker 10: are in when we're looking at a mental health crisis.
Speaker 10: Here is the former governor who shut down so much
Speaker 10: of what would have been helpful in this moment to
Speaker 10: respond to these very crises. Here is the governor that
Speaker 10: cut hospital beds. Here is the governor that took an
Speaker 10: ax to almost every single kind of public institution he
Speaker 10: could find to ensure that it was not worth of
Speaker 10: any funding in the future. And I think it's high
Speaker 10: time that he understands that accountability is a word that
Speaker 10: also applies to him.
Speaker 4: Do you expect him to run as a Democrat or
Speaker 4: as an independent? Like, what's what are as people are
Speaker 4: gaming this out? What's your path of democratic nomination? And
Speaker 4: where do you Squomo fit into that?
Speaker 10: I expect him to run as a Democrat, though I
Speaker 10: wouldn't put anything past Andrew Cuomo because I think he's
Speaker 10: more interested in power than anything else. My path to
Speaker 10: the Democratic nomination is to speak to the working class
Speaker 10: of New York City. You know, I say this as
Speaker 10: a socialist. I say this as someone who's running an
Speaker 10: unabashedly progressive campaign. There are far more New Yorkers who
Speaker 10: feel left out by the economic policies of Mayor Eric
Speaker 10: Adams and Democratic leadership than there are that identify with
Speaker 10: any one political persuasion. And my goal is to go
Speaker 10: to every single one of the five boroughs on a
Speaker 10: regular basis and to speak to those New Yorkers about
Speaker 10: how we could actually make their lives better. Not speak
Speaker 10: to them about values or ideas, but speak to them
Speaker 10: about tangible, deliverable policies that we can enact from the
Speaker 10: very beginning of a mayoralty that will literally make their
Speaker 10: life more affordable.
Speaker 7: And how are you handling the crime question, because this
Speaker 7: is one of the Ryan kind of asked about this,
Speaker 7: but it's also you know, we've seen, like I've been
Speaker 7: talking to Rocanna a couple of times, we asked them
Speaker 7: about this. Actually on our show last week in California
Speaker 7: New York. Obviously New Yorkers have some, you know, concerns
Speaker 7: that are similar just in a material sense to what
Speaker 7: people in northern California Los Angeles have also been dealing
Speaker 7: with over the last couple of years. And a lot
Speaker 7: of people would point, you know, voters might say, well,
Speaker 7: this is downstream of the defund the police movement, et cetera,
Speaker 7: et cetera. But just in conversations that you're having across
Speaker 7: the burrows, you know, there's obviously room between defund the
Speaker 7: police and reforming the police and all of that. So
Speaker 7: where's your conversation going when when people bring those concerns
Speaker 7: to you.
Speaker 10: You know, most of the time they bring it to
Speaker 10: me in the context of public transit. They feel the
Speaker 10: least safe when they're thinking about subways and buses and
Speaker 10: things of that nature. And I think it's important to
Speaker 10: identify that because that means that the solutions to that
Speaker 10: feeling have to lie within those very places. And one
Speaker 10: of the reasons that we have been fighting for free
Speaker 10: buses is I led and won the first New York
Speaker 10: City free bus pilot in last year's state budget, where
Speaker 10: we made one bus free in each borough. And what
Speaker 10: we saw is that by making that bus route free,
Speaker 10: assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine percent.
Speaker 10: And these are the kinds of assaults that they are
Speaker 10: not just assaults on the driver, they are also assaults
Speaker 10: on the passenger sense of safety in that moment. And
Speaker 10: if you're able to fundamentally transform the experience of getting
Speaker 10: on the bus getting to where you're going, you feel
Speaker 10: that much more safe. And I think additionally, one of
Speaker 10: the reasons that many New Yorkers have identified feeling unsafe
Speaker 10: when they're taking the subway is the fact that the
Speaker 10: subway has become the de facto site of mental health
Speaker 10: crises across New York City. And it's critical that we
Speaker 10: actually understand that and respond to it in those varied places.
Speaker 10: And what I mean by that is, at the same
Speaker 10: time as right now, where we have many vacant commercial
Speaker 10: units across the subway system, we could transform those vacant
Speaker 10: commercial units into mental health outreach centers. We could actually
Speaker 10: empower and create mental health responders so that the people
Speaker 10: that are responding to New Yorkers and crisis are not
Speaker 10: other New Yorkers or are not police officers, But are
Speaker 10: people trained specifically for that episode?
Speaker 4: And what would that cause? What would that look like?
Speaker 4: How would you develop that program? So we're going to
Speaker 4: be putting.
Speaker 10: Forward a proposals to create a new department, the Department
Speaker 10: of Community Safety, which would build on the successes we've
Speaker 10: seen in Philadelphia's Hub for Hope program in policies that
Speaker 10: even the BART system is implemented around mental health responsiveness.
Speaker 10: And the cost is something that I'm quite confident will
Speaker 10: be within the costs we're already spending on police overtime,
Speaker 10: which nears about a billion every single year, or the
Speaker 10: Eric Adams proposal to spend two hundred and twenty five
Speaker 10: million dollars on creating a new cop city in Queens.
Speaker 10: This is all possible within the fiscal sense. It's just
Speaker 10: a question of if there's the political will.
Speaker 6: What about Rikers It's still open. It's a complete travesty
Speaker 6: and a disgrace. Why hasn't Riker's been closed yet? How
Speaker 6: would you get it closed?
Speaker 10: I think it hasn't been closed because Eric Adams simply
Speaker 10: has no interest in closing Roriker's Island. He has no
Speaker 10: interest in taking any kind of action beyond that of
Speaker 10: impunity when it comes to corrections, when it comes to policing.
Speaker 10: I have been to Rikers Island many a time. One
Speaker 10: of the last times I went to Rikers Island and
Speaker 10: incarcerated New Yorker tried to take their own life in
Speaker 10: front of a colleague of mine. That is the level
Speaker 10: of despair we are talking about on this island. And
Speaker 10: it is a legal requirement to close Rikers Island in
Speaker 10: the next mayoral term, but Eric Adams speaks about the
Speaker 10: law as if it's the suggestion. So what I would
Speaker 10: do is from the very first day, I would make
Speaker 10: sure that we are following policies that make that legal
Speaker 10: requirement a reality and that we actually close Rikers Island.
Speaker 10: And we do so by ensuring that we are keeping
Speaker 10: New Yorkers safe. And just to the question of cost
Speaker 10: that has come up, it costs around half a million
Speaker 10: dollars to have a New Yorkers have a New Yorker
Speaker 10: on Rikers Island, but we are only willing to spend
Speaker 10: about fifty thousand dollars sometimes to house those very New Yorkers,
Speaker 10: which would keep them out of that kind of a place.
Speaker 10: I think we have to realign our priorities.
Speaker 6: One of the obstacles has seemed to be a neighborhood
Speaker 6: opposition to alternatives to Rikers, like how do you how
Speaker 6: do you overcome that?
Speaker 10: I think one of the key things is there are
Speaker 10: a lot of people that we are throwing away putting
Speaker 10: onto Rikers Island that are actually need not be in
Speaker 10: that kind of a facility. They need not even be
Speaker 10: in a borough based jail, frankly, And I think what
Speaker 10: we need to ask ourselves is when there is a
Speaker 10: woman who is selling cotton candy outside of a school
Speaker 10: without a license and the police put her in cuffs
Speaker 10: and then she's visited by Ice the next day, do
Speaker 10: you feel safer that she is in a cell? And
Speaker 10: I think that that's what's so offensive about Eric Adams's
Speaker 10: policies is they have nothing to do with sense. They
Speaker 10: only have to do with this sense of impunity on
Speaker 10: a day to day basis, and it stems across multiple agencies.
Speaker 10: How we haven't been willing to create new solutions to
Speaker 10: problems that have continued through multiple mayor allities.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's wild what people are in Wrikers for sitting
Speaker 6: there for a year, for having stolen like ten newspapers
Speaker 6: out of a box or like one guy, I know
Speaker 6: a sandwich, like just just complete in sandy anyway, or
Speaker 6: thank you so much for joining us. This is a
Speaker 6: race we'll be we'll be following pretty closely. It's gonna
Speaker 6: be interesting, no doubt.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me. It's such a pleasure.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. You've got it. That was Zorhan Mom,
Speaker 4: Donnie mayorl Canada.
Speaker 6: The thing that makes his race possible actually is matching
Speaker 6: funds in the New York City mayoral race, So he'll
Speaker 6: have he'll have the resources to get his name out
Speaker 6: even without having you know, gigantic billionaires or real estate
Speaker 6: developers or whoever else behind him.
Speaker 7: So although you interesting want to watch in a crowded
Speaker 7: race with matching funds, you could argue that it's a
Speaker 7: big advantage to Andrew Cuomo just because of name recognition.
Speaker 6: Oh for sure, to Andrew Cuomo. You know he's going
Speaker 6: to be in the mix. Man might come back, that's
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 7: Also reports from Jake Sherman over at punch Bowl that
Speaker 7: Telsa Gabbard's in the mix.
Speaker 4: For confirming our reporting here breaking points. So the slash
Speaker 4: counterpoints that.
Speaker 7: She's in the mix for Director of National Intelligence. Pretty
Speaker 7: obvious that that would be, since it's one of the
Speaker 7: big foreign policy vacancies and she's yet to have gotten
Speaker 7: an appointment, that she's in the mix for that, although
Speaker 7: it won't you know, there's little she can do to
Speaker 7: probably alleviate the trust questions that wi't linger, which means
Speaker 7: if she is appointed to that position and she's not
Speaker 7: fully trusted by Trump world.
Speaker 5: That's a pretty interesting dynamic too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see gona be exciting.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll be back here tomorrow replacing Sacer. We have
Speaker 7: a girl show, so I don't know what we can
Speaker 7: do to compete with the bro show, but we'll do
Speaker 7: O bus.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll be I'm sure it'll be fun. No
Speaker 4: Friday show this week, No.
Speaker 5: Friday show this week. Okay, though, I think everyone's all right.
Speaker 4: We'll see you next week. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.