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Speaker 4: All right, Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. The neocons

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Speaker 4: are on the march here sacking the Trump administration.

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Speaker 5: That looks like it's two thousand and four again here, indeed.

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 6: We're going to talk about Trump's personnel choices. Who's out

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Speaker 6: Over on the Senate side, Republicans are going to pick

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Speaker 6: a new leader.

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Speaker 7: That's right, Mitch McConnell's the longest party leader in the

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Speaker 7: history of the Senate, so he's they're voting on his

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Speaker 7: replacement as we speak right now.

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Speaker 5: So we'll have a full breakdown of that. Tons of

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Speaker 5: interesting stuff to go through.

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Speaker 6: And it looks like Vladimir Putin is trying to claw

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Speaker 6: back as much territory from Ukraine and the curse region

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Speaker 5: Potentially.

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Speaker 4: Trump said, it can't happen when I'm in there.

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Speaker 5: No, he'll make a deal.

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Speaker 4: Just going to make a deal.

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Speaker 5: So Putin's getting ahead of the deal.

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Speaker 6: So there is actually a lot of jocking going on

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Speaker 6: around the world awaiting Trump's swearing in on January twentieth.

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Speaker 6: And we're going to talk about this kind of joint

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Speaker 7: Yes, I mean, just incredibly important development in the history

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Speaker 7: of this war. And Ryan, we have a guest. We'll

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Speaker 7: be going over recent developments in Gaza.

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Speaker 6: With Yeah, Dropsite contributor Abu Baker ahb Ed, who was

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Speaker 6: a sports journalist before October seventh, has kind of been

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Speaker 6: forced into kind of wartime correspondent duty. Yesterday was the

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Speaker 6: thirty day deadline that the State Department and the Defense

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Speaker 6: Department had given to Israel to to measurably improve specific

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Speaker 6: of losing access to US weapons. That deadline was yesterday.

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Speaker 6: They met none of those metrics. Things have gone backwards,

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Speaker 6: And we'll talk to Abu Baker about what he has

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Speaker 6: And we'll also play some footage from yesterday's State Department briefing,

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Speaker 6: which may be a new low for this State Department,

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Speaker 6: because they are the ones that sent this letter. They're

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Speaker 6: the ones that set this deadline, they're the ones that

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Speaker 6: to pretend like they never did any of that.

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Speaker 7: You're going to want to stick around for the footage

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Speaker 7: from the briefing if you haven't seen it. And all

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Speaker 7: kinds of crazy political things going on in New York

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Speaker 5: And so we have a mayorial.

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Speaker 6: Candidate Socialists or hand Mom, Donnie, who was elected in

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Speaker 6: also the State Senate and State House. Now he's going

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Speaker 4: That's exciting.

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Speaker 5: Hey, we'll see what happens. Excited to talk to him.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's start in our a block with new

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Speaker 7: Trump appointment. It's just an absolute flurry coming out from

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Speaker 5: Fell furious, Yeah, yeah, damn it. Ryan. Let's start with

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Speaker 5: Pete Hagg's death. So, if you're not familiar with Pete

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Speaker 7: He is a long time Fox News contributor, which is

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Speaker 4: Familiar with him before Trump doubt right.

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Speaker 7: Then sure that is where Trump got to know him.

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Speaker 7: But he has been named the Secretary of Defense appointment.

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Speaker 7: He's been named as Trump's nominee for Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I actually got a little bit ahead

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Speaker 5: A full blown freakout.

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Speaker 7: Lobbyists were furiously texting Politico reporters who.

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Speaker 5: The f is Pete Hagg said.

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Speaker 7: You can imagine the whaling and gnashing of teeth that

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Speaker 5: Just sort of exploded. Even for Trump.

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Speaker 7: This was a quote that a lobbyist gave and I

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Speaker 7: But even for Trump, you're sort of grading on a

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Speaker 4: Trump loves those credentials.

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Speaker 5: He really loves those credentials.

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Speaker 7: Although Pete Hegseth says that he sent his Harvard degree back,

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Speaker 4: Then he Trump loves that even more.

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Speaker 7: He enlisted and served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has

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Speaker 7: which was the Concerned Veterans for America.

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Speaker 5: Who was the CEO of that group. So it's a

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Speaker 6: It's kind of an America first guy, but also like

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was definitely lobbying Trump on the pardon. Sager

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Speaker 7: Hegsath on Ukraine. At least he's absolutely solid about ending

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Speaker 5: To an appointment in DC.

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Speaker 7: Now, that's why I'm genuinely curious what happens in the

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Speaker 7: screw your Jake Sullivan's like this guy. You know, he

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Speaker 7: like what happens if you're an actual coment that veteran,

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Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. That said, there's obviously concerns you

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Speaker 7: could imagine like a Lindsey Graham having about the managerial

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Speaker 6: The Pentagon and also Lindsay Graham, and he Lindsey Graham's

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Speaker 6: not really in America first, or he's he loves every war,

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Speaker 6: perhaps when the Senate votes. Senator's voting this morning on

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Speaker 6: who is leader will be. Trump had said that he

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Speaker 6: because that's the Senate sacrificing some of its pas to

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Speaker 7: I think he would gladly named acting people. And that's

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Speaker 7: I think we'll probably acquiesce to recess appointment because if.

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Speaker 6: Your pentagon's secretary, you want it to be you want

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Speaker 4: Is, right, And it's a good point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not actually in the job, so when you are,

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Speaker 5: Know, right, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 7: So that's a I think probably another reason that they're

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Speaker 7: it a little in the Senate block.

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Speaker 6: Basically, in the Constitution, it says if the if the

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Speaker 6: they can then put people into office through a recess appointment.

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Speaker 7: Without noment, without going to the nomination.

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Speaker 6: Bush tried to do this a lot when Democrats were

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Speaker 6: they're in pro forma session. The reason it's they're in

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Speaker 6: pro formace session is because then they're not in recess.

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Speaker 6: That's to block the president from making any appointments.

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Speaker 4: Right, We're not doing any work, but we could, so

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Speaker 4: don't try to.

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Speaker 5: We are prepared to work, So.

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Speaker 4: Don't try to slip anybody through here.

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Speaker 7: Last thing I think about Pete HeiG Seth here as

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Speaker 7: That's possible, but they wouldn't want that because Elon would

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Speaker 6: So I look forward to seeing what this what this

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Speaker 7: Now, do you have a similar take to many others

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Speaker 6: Not necessarily, because do these guys really want all the

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Speaker 4: This doesn't necessarily preclude him from Yeah, the Viveke thrown

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Speaker 7: Agency because it's not even a government agency to your point,

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Speaker 7: Like there's a lot of government waste, no question about it,

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Speaker 7: So all that is to say, good luck too, Elon

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Speaker 7: There's a world in which you can see this as

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all the insight into that will come from mapping

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Speaker 4: Speaking of maniacs.

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Speaker 7: Yes, right before we get to that, Elon Musk does

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Speaker 6: Still Ratcliffe before we get to Hockaby, Ratcliffe, he's kind

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Speaker 5: And it's not entirely surprising. But if you're anti deep state.

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Speaker 6: You're really an When he becomes a top spy, he's

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Speaker 6: It's one thing to have your Pentagon secretary believing that,

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Speaker 4: It's not just Israel. How could be is that variety of.

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Speaker 4: It's just an incredible moment.

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Speaker 6: We think we have some of him riffing on this right,

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Speaker 1: What happens next. It's about the end times and quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: some of us think we may just be living then them.

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Speaker 1: So Max Locato, is so good to see you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us and welcome as we talk about the

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Speaker 1: end of the world.

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Speaker 4: Well, Governor, I wouldn't be anywhere else.

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Speaker 9: I'm supremely honored to have these moments with you. And yes,

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Speaker 9: I do believe we're not just in the end times.

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Speaker 9: We're in the end of the end times. It's moving fast.

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Speaker 1: Max. When you say that, it scares a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: They think, oh, no, the end of the world. That's

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Speaker 1: just terrible. Your whole book is focused on quite a

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Speaker 1: It's something we ought to embrace and look forward to.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that didn't make me less afraid. Maxica does actually

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Speaker 4: made me a lot more afraid.

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Speaker 5: The Mexicat is a very popular Christian author.

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Speaker 6: So tell us about well, let's play Hegsath and then

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Speaker 6: This is a four B.

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Speaker 8: But we are here in Jerusalem, and today Jennifer and

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Speaker 8: western Wall of the Temple Mount. The Western Wall tunnels

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Speaker 8: seventeen was a miracle, nineteen forty eight was a miracle,

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Speaker 8: nineteen sixty seven was a miracle. Twenty seventeen, the Declaration

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Speaker 8: of Jerusalem at the Capitol was a miracle. And there's

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Speaker 8: no reason why the miracle of the re establishment of

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Speaker 8: the Temple on the Temple Mount is not possible.

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Speaker 10: I don't know how it would happen. You don't know

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Speaker 10: how it would happen, but I know that it could happen.

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Speaker 10: That's all I have.

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Speaker 8: And a step in that process, a step in every process,

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Speaker 8: is the recognition that facts and activities on the ground

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Speaker 8: truly matter. And that's why going and visiting Judea and Samaria,

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Speaker 8: understanding that the very sovereignty of Israeli soil, the Israeli

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Speaker 8: cities locations, is a critical next step to showing the

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Speaker 8: world that this is the land for Jews and the

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Speaker 8: land of Israel. And I believe, as was mentioned, he said,

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Speaker 8: you need to What was mentioned is you need to

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Speaker 8: buy the ticket. Don't just wish for forty years to

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Speaker 8: win the lottery. Buy the ticket. I would submit to

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Speaker 8: you in light of the support you have in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 8: the support you have amongst patriotic Americans, amongst Evangelical Christians,

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Speaker 8: amongst believers, amongst Republicans, even amongst some Democrats who can

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Speaker 8: barely say it anymore in Washington, Buy the ticket, take

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Speaker 8: your action, do what needs to be done here in Israel,

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Speaker 8: because I truly believe this is a moment where America

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Speaker 8: will have your back. You have Donald Trump and the

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Speaker 8: White House, you have Mike Pence as Vice President, you

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Speaker 8: have Nikki Haley at the UN you have true believers

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Speaker 8: in Israel and America that have your back.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So he's talking about these true believers nineteen seventeen.

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Speaker 6: That's obviously a reference to the Balfour Declaration where Britain

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Speaker 6: says that they support the establishment of a homeland for

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Speaker 6: the Jewish people in Palestine. When he talks about ju

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Speaker 6: Day and Samaria, that's the West Bank, talking about sovereignty

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Speaker 6: over the West Bank. We'll talk about the later. The

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Speaker 6: Israeli government is now saying they're going to annex the

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Speaker 6: West Bank. When he says the re establishment of the

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Speaker 6: temple on the Temple Mount, Now we're talking biblical stuff

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Speaker 6: here that we're not talking there talking revelation. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 6: not talking about building a new temple by human hands, right,

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Speaker 6: we're talking about ushering in the what's thatcond coming here?

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Speaker 4: Well, like, what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 7: So I thought of I was going to make this

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Speaker 7: less terrifying. Actually, well, well he was speaking, which is

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to make it better, though it.

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Speaker 5: Might be less terrifying.

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Speaker 7: But this is basically the worldview that has informed Christian

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Speaker 7: conservative policy towards Israel. For I mean, I would say

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Speaker 7: Post nine to eleven. That's where I mean, you obviously

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Speaker 7: it's been around since before that, but post nine eleven,

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Speaker 7: I think, is where it really and you probably watched

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Speaker 7: this play out in the lots, is where it really

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Speaker 7: sort of congealed into a powerful political force as our

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Speaker 7: policy in the Middle East became more aggressive. I shouldn't

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Speaker 7: say more aggressive, but it's I mean, it's fair to

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Speaker 7: say when you actually have ground invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of justifying.

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Speaker 7: It with this particular Christian evangelical worldview that gave it

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Speaker 7: a lot of power, especially with a generation of Christians

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Speaker 7: at the time. And I think Pete Hegseth talks a

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Speaker 7: lot about Israel as through the conservative lens, as being

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Speaker 7: a representative or a bastion of Western civilization. So I

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Speaker 7: don't know to what importance he ascribes each version, like

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Speaker 7: to what an importance is about.

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Speaker 6: That's the kind of the secular version of it both, right,

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Speaker 6: the spiritual version is that Jews and Israel are going

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Speaker 6: to be the cannon fodder for the apocalypse, right, and

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Speaker 6: so bring the Lord's Savior back or something.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know if this again makes it less

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Speaker 7: terrifying or more comforting. But that has basically been the

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Speaker 7: engine of evangelical support for political.

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Speaker 5: Israel for a while.

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Speaker 4: Oneasy alliance political Israel.

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Speaker 7: It's reading the kind of nation of Israel as political Israel,

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Speaker 7: as the country right now of Israel into different sections

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Speaker 7: of the Bible, which is why people like Max Ocato

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Speaker 7: and there are varying degrees of seriousness as people approach this,

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Speaker 7: but it's why people like Max O Keato look at

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Speaker 7: what's happening in the world and say we're in the

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Speaker 7: end of the end times because you can kind of

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Speaker 7: piece together parts of revelation from what happens in the news.

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Speaker 4: And Huckaby is rejoicing, He's not afraid. He's rejoicing. He's

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Speaker 4: going to meet his Lord and Savior or whatever.

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Speaker 7: It's dispensationalism essentially, meaning so in what you're hearing heg

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Speaker 7: Seth talk about, there is the Third Temple, and there

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Speaker 7: are if you combine this with the fact that there

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Speaker 7: are some net Yahoo allies or part of that right

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Speaker 7: wing coalition that he kind of has to keep happy

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Speaker 7: and keep together who are also trying to rebuild the

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Speaker 7: Temple because they also are trying to usher in the

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Speaker 7: Messianic age, and then in a real.

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Speaker 4: Temple they build an actual face.

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Speaker 7: They literally have the plans for building a temple, and

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Speaker 7: what they have to.

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Speaker 6: Do is they have to do that to fulfill some

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Speaker 6: of the prophecies of revelation, right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, And so you have to reclaim control of

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Speaker 7: the temple now, which is obviously not in Israel's control

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Speaker 7: right now. That's why you see people like Ben Gaviera

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Speaker 7: walking into like you've seen this over the last couple

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Speaker 7: of years, and it terrifies a lot of people when

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Speaker 7: you have like Ben Giver making a big point of

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Speaker 7: going to the Temple Mount and all of that. It's

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Speaker 7: an effort, a legitimate, serious effort to rebuild the temple.

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Speaker 6: Hamas's October seventh attack was called Aloxa flood, yes, and

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Speaker 6: which which was named for.

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Speaker 4: Their response to those exact provocations.

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Speaker 7: Axa is the mosque that's on the Temple Mount, right

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Speaker 7: and they would not even they would reject the term

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Speaker 7: Temple Mount. And that's the so that's actually like really

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Speaker 7: the croux of all this conflict. At the end of

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Speaker 7: the day, it's Aloxa is an extremely important site for Muslims.

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Speaker 7: It's where a lot, it's where Muhammad ascended to heaven

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Speaker 7: from uh so, and that's the place of Solomon's temple

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Speaker 7: if you're Jewish or you're Christian. So it's kind of

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Speaker 7: at the heart of the conflict. And that's where yes,

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Speaker 7: this it's it's just as a piece of land, extremely

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Speaker 7: important if you are interpreting what's happening right now biblically

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Speaker 7: to political Israel as whenever you know, these prophecies talk

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Speaker 7: about the nation of Israel or Israel as a collective.

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Speaker 7: That's if you're interpreting that as political Israel, then yeah,

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Speaker 7: you it's it's pretty easy to jump from point A

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Speaker 7: to point B.

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Speaker 4: So we're all going to die maybe.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we are all going to die, right to

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Speaker 5: be fair, that's true. Eventually we are all going to die.

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Speaker 5: Now should we move on to Marco Rubio or one?

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Speaker 4: Producer Max says Emily, this did not make me feel anybody.

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Speaker 5: But I mean Max.

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Speaker 7: Producer Mac is from Georgia, so he's probably been surrounded

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Speaker 7: by a lot of this.

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Speaker 4: Is he had his.

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Speaker 6: Chances saved and here he is, Uh well, Mac, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, some of some of the stuff does go into

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Speaker 7: like pretty wacky territory pretty quickly, and I don't agree

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Speaker 7: with this is just not where I come down on this,

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Speaker 7: even as an evangelical. It's not where I come down

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Speaker 7: in it. And it frightens me a lot too. So

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Speaker 7: do I know or do I think that you know?

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Speaker 7: Pete Hegseth is going to act on this. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 7: he's Secretary of Defense and he's very clear about how

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Speaker 7: his religion informs his worldview. This is everything to my

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Speaker 7: Kuckabee who is now the ambassador to Israel. But do

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Speaker 7: I think it will mark a significant departure. No, because

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Speaker 7: we are so like we've already wrapped our arms around.

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Speaker 6: There's the good news right already, so maniacally like one

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Speaker 6: directionally headed in that headed there, it's.

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Speaker 5: Not going to change that much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that.

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Speaker 6: It changes that the pedals already on the floor. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're Yeah, excellent. Wonderf that made me feel better. We

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Speaker 6: can also make ourselves feel better by reveling in the

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Speaker 6: suffering of Marco Rubio, who two nights ago was reported

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Speaker 6: to be named to be Secretary of State.

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Speaker 4: There was some interesting caveats in the reporting.

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Speaker 6: I think you and I were both immediately hearing from

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Speaker 6: our sources afterwards that said, this is not actually a

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Speaker 6: done deal, right, like he's leaning towards Rubio very strongly,

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Speaker 6: and then probably Rubio still gets this position.

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Speaker 4: But we're almost.

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Speaker 6: Forty eight hours now away from the leaking of the

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Speaker 6: appointment and there's still no official word. And if you

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Speaker 6: just follow it along with that first block, you saw

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Speaker 6: that he's been throwing official names out every ten minutes,

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Speaker 6: and every time one comes out and it's not Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 6: it's another flight to Marco Rubio, who is facing fierce

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Speaker 6: opposition from the world of Tulsa Gabbard, Tucker Carlson. I

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Speaker 6: don't know this from my reporting, but you would imagine

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump Jr. People like him are have said that

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Speaker 6: they are opposed to people like Rubio who come from

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Speaker 6: the neo kon wing, as you saw from that compilation

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Speaker 6: that we just put up, and we can actually play

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Speaker 6: a little bit of Tulsi from last summer talking about

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Speaker 6: Rubio as well.

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Speaker 4: It's a six.

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Speaker 11: I think it would be a huge mistake for President

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Speaker 11: Trump to choose him because he represents the neo con

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Speaker 11: war mongering establishment of Washington, d C. Which stands diametrically

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Speaker 11: opposed to the very policies that President Trump has always

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Speaker 11: stood for, going all the way back to when he

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Speaker 11: ran for president in twenty sixteen, through that first term

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Speaker 11: in office, and the things that he's talking about wanting

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Speaker 11: to do now, And it would just it would send

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Speaker 11: the wrong message to a lot of folks who are

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Speaker 11: very concerned about the fact that we are on the

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Speaker 11: brink of war with Russia and China and Iran and

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Speaker 11: North Korea.

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Speaker 4: If Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 11: Is his vice president, then that is that is what

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Speaker 11: we will face, and it will cause a lot of

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Speaker 11: people to question what kind of foreign policy will actually

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Speaker 11: be executed, will be the one that Trump wants and

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Speaker 11: stands for, or will it be one that will continue

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Speaker 11: the deep state neocon warmongers.

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Speaker 5: That was July tenth, right.

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Speaker 6: And so Rubio has adopted domestically a lot of Trump's

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Speaker 6: or what do you call that, populist nationalist stuff when

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Speaker 6: it comes to he's become more pro worker than he

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Speaker 6: used to be. He's supportive of child tax credits and

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Speaker 6: other supports for you know, working families. Foreign policy is

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Speaker 6: just an unreac struct a neo con right.

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Speaker 7: So this is if we if we skip I had

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Speaker 7: one element to a eight because Ryan just made the

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Speaker 7: same point as Kurt Mills, who's the head of the

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Speaker 7: American Conservative He said, Rubio is a strange pick. He

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Speaker 7: has won plot it's on the new right in recent

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Speaker 7: years for his Catholic social conservatism and industrial policy economics,

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Speaker 7: but foreign policy widely viewed as the area on which

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Speaker 7: he is pre Trump also sets up a Hillary slash

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Speaker 7: Biden dynamic with Advance and as if to kind of

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Speaker 7: make Kurt's point, John Fetterman, this is a seven, waited

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Speaker 7: in sort of he didn't have to say anything, but

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Speaker 7: he went for it, he tweeted. Unsurprisingly, the other team's

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Speaker 7: pick will have political differences than my own. That being said,

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Speaker 7: my colleague Senator Mark Rubio is a strong choice and

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Speaker 7: I look forward to voting for his confirmation. This is

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Speaker 7: the John Fetterman that ran on a full blown populist

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Speaker 7: I would argue, even like Bernie adjacent.

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Speaker 6: They endorse Bernie. At one point had the endorsement of

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Speaker 6: Bernie in one of his races.

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Speaker 5: His stenic campaign was in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 7: But it was sort of the version of Tim Waltz

664
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Speaker 7: that a lot of people really loved about John Fetterman

665
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 7: is that he was talking to you know, voters in

666
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Speaker 7: red counties with you know, on borderline, I would say

667
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 7: democratic socialism and making people like it. So talking to

668
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 7: Trump supporters and making people like it. So that's also

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Speaker 7: part of Rubio's project on populous economics. There's no question

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Speaker 7: about it. He has been really successful at sort of

671
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Speaker 7: shoehorning those into.

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Speaker 5: The conservative movement.

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Speaker 7: He's been a part of a really good shift on

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Speaker 7: the right.

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Speaker 5: Foreign policy ran you know this by than I do.

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Speaker 7: His approach in Latin America in particular has been quite aggressive.

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Speaker 7: Neo conservative is unreconstructed. Neo conservatism is a great way

678
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Speaker 7: to put it. He did vote against the round of

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00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 7: Ukraine funding that got really controversial. What was this back

680
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Speaker 7: in January February, although some have pointed out he kind

681
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Speaker 7: of took a interesting route to get to why he

682
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 7: was voting against it. I think he has shifted a

683
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Speaker 7: little bit on you know, I think he's very disillusioned

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Speaker 7: with American foreign policy as a whole. But that doesn't

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Speaker 7: translate into Latin America.

686
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Speaker 6: No, it's extremely dis Like the Miami Herald has a

687
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 6: you know, it's already reporting that Cuba, Venezuela, any any

688
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 6: country that is not run by a kind of right

689
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Speaker 6: wing government. Right now in Latin America is panic at

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Speaker 6: the possibility of Marco Marco Rubio becoming Sacra state of state.

691
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Speaker 6: Diaz Balart likely will be Chair of House Foreign Relations,

692
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Speaker 6: So that'll be two uh you know, Cuban Americans who

693
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Speaker 6: have a quite vengeful approach that they take towards Cuba

694
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Speaker 6: in particular, but also anybody that that smells like Cuba

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Speaker 6: to them, which is, you know, anybody kind of to

696
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 6: the left of how via Mala uh so, and so yeah,

697
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 6: that's that's that's dark. But he might not get it,

698
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 6: which is wild. It be amazing if he if this

699
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 6: falls apart.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he truly at this point when Trump is going

701
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 7: through Ratcliffe and Pete hag Seth and it's leaked to

702
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 7: Maggie Haberman and I think she was she colled Bineline

703
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 7: that with Jonathan Swan, both people who are like pretty

704
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 7: well informed in Trump world. There was a couple of

705
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 7: days ago now and Rubio world is pretty prepared for

706
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 7: this to happen. There was some bickering back and forth

707
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Speaker 7: over the Rick Grannell Camp, former investor Germany and the

708
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 7: Rubio camp, not the Rubio camp, but some like new

709
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 7: right types people who are even just trying to report

710
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Speaker 7: on this. There's been some bickering back and forth about

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00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 7: whether Grenell is trying to backstab Rubio, and this is

712
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Speaker 7: like a big imagine he is.

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Speaker 5: He says he's not.

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Speaker 6: He's never he haven't, he's never seen a back he

715
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Speaker 6: hasn't liked to stay.

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Speaker 5: He says he's not. But it's hard to imagine that.

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Speaker 7: You know, Don Junior and Tucker Carlson are absolutely having

718
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Speaker 7: input in this transition process. One of the funny bits

719
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Speaker 7: of reporting is from Axios that Trump is basically hold

720
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Speaker 7: up in a makeshift situation room at mar A Lago

721
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Speaker 7: where they have prepared kind of video decks for him.

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Speaker 7: When he names a person, they can like put it

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Speaker 7: on a series of monitors, which I compared to the

724
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Speaker 7: great scene in Princess Diaries too, when they're trying to

725
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Speaker 7: choose a husband for me, H.

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Speaker 4: Show me his Fox appearances.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that's actually what's happening. So the

728
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 7: reporting suggests that's what's happening, so that he can see

729
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 7: how they would defend him. Probably explains why christinoam goes

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Speaker 7: to DHS, which is a pick that I find is

731
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Speaker 7: enormously objectionable for many reasons. But anyway, all that is

732
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Speaker 7: to say, Rubio could end up not getting this Secretary

733
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Speaker 7: of State position because there's jockeying against what some people

734
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Speaker 7: in MAGA world see. And Telsea Gabbard we're going to

735
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 7: talk about her in the next block, but she would

736
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Speaker 7: be one of these people who would see him as

737
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 7: an unreconstructed neo con especially because of his support for

738
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Speaker 7: cous essentially in Latin America, very similar like Rinston repeat

739
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 7: foreign policy in Latin America that we've had for decades.

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Speaker 7: He's obviously Cuban, so he has a very hawkish approach

741
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Speaker 7: to the Cuban government and the sanctions regime.

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Speaker 5: He's been friendly with Boucht.

743
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Speaker 4: It's fine with that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, he's been friendly with Bukele. He's been friendly

745
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 7: with me Lee. So those relationships are there.

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Speaker 6: And in case Trump is watching this from his little

747
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 6: situation room, let's play one clip that we think ought

748
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Speaker 6: to sway him in the opposite direction when it comes

749
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Speaker 6: to some of these picks. Look, who is so excited

750
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Speaker 6: about your picks, mister President elect?

751
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Speaker 4: Let's roll eight nine here.

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Speaker 12: I know Mike Walt's full disclosure is a friend of mine.

753
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Speaker 12: I feel like this at least Stephonic Susie Wilds. This

754
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 12: is probably about as team normal as you get when

755
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Speaker 12: it comes to Donald Trump picks.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think Alice, whom I've known for many years,

757
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 13: can certainly do a fine job at the UN And

758
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Speaker 13: I think Mike Waltz will be a fine national security advisor.

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Speaker 13: I should I should probably say I'll be for him

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Speaker 13: or against him, whichever would help me more given my

761
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Speaker 13: relationship with his boss.

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Speaker 6: So Trump's making that man happy with a lot of

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Speaker 6: these picks.

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Speaker 5: He really is.

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Speaker 7: List Like, we just went through a huge list of

766
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 7: different people in their careers and different points in their

767
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 7: careers and all of that. But if you are let's

768
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Speaker 7: say you're Donald Trump Junior, or you are Tucker Carlson

769
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Speaker 7: and you're looking at this list as that graphic in

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Speaker 7: a five show just some of the upset in Trump

771
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Speaker 7: world over Mark Rubio, that's going to extend you know

772
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Speaker 7: this is there are a lot of people John Bolton

773
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 7: is an example, but there are a lot of people

774
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Speaker 7: who are more establishment types in Trump world who are

775
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 7: looking at this and are really really happy because they

776
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 7: feel like it shows Donald Trump is surrounding himself with

777
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Speaker 7: like quote a quote serious people. They're not going to

778
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 7: be so happy about Pete heigseeth, I'm sure. And that's

779
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Speaker 7: where the Senate rubber could meet the road when some

780
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Speaker 7: of these senators are asked to actually vote on that.

781
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Speaker 5: But if they're actually asked to.

782
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Speaker 6: Vote on that, Let's move on to somebody who has

783
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Speaker 6: not gotten picked yet, and that is a former Democrat

784
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Speaker 6: and former Independent and now Republican, former congresswoman Tulci Gabbard,

785
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: and puts C one up on the screen here, So

786
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 6: she was you know, she's been jockeying, she's been close

787
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Speaker 6: to Trump, She's made in roads to some of his team,

788
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 6: yet is struggling so far to gain purchase inside the administration.

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Speaker 4: What's your read on this?

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a hugely conspicuous absence. I don't know.

791
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Speaker 5: I mean, you've phoned Tulsia Gabbard's career for a long time.

792
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Speaker 4: She was elected, Yeah, right.

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Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, And if we put the next graphic up

794
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 7: on the screen, this is B two. This is a

795
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Speaker 7: quote that we got from someone who's inside the transition world.

796
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Speaker 7: And explained it as thus, because Ryan and are both

797
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Speaker 7: trying to poke around and seeing what is going on here,

798
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Speaker 7: and this source said, Tulsi is not fully trusted by

799
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Speaker 7: Trump world.

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Speaker 5: That is the bottom line.

801
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Speaker 7: If you're looking around and wondering why this woman who

802
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Speaker 7: was used as a surrogate and a powerful surgeate at that,

803
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Speaker 7: I would say one of Trump's most powerful surrogates, which

804
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 7: is why he recognized that and used her all over

805
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Speaker 7: the campaign. I mean, this is somebody who comes from

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Speaker 7: She was what's the formal title co chair of the

807
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Speaker 7: DNC or deputy chair of the DNC.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, she was. She was on that. She was

809
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Speaker 4: she had feisce chair I think.

810
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Speaker 5: Something like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So in twenty sixteen, and so Trump, the Trump campaign

812
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Speaker 7: recognized that there was a lot of power in that message,

813
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Speaker 7: much more powerful than the flip side of Kamala.

814
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Speaker 5: Harris using Liz Cheney.

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Speaker 7: And you know, Telsey Gabbard's a great speaker, and she's

816
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Speaker 7: a good surrogate for Trump and trump Ism, and so

817
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Speaker 7: she's a recognizable face that was all over shows like

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Speaker 7: My and Kelly talking about Donald Trump. And now even

819
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Speaker 7: as there leaks about her eyeing as that first graphics

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Speaker 7: at a Defense secretary job. She's totally I mean, he's

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Speaker 7: he's he's.

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Speaker 4: Even went with Pete Hegsa.

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Speaker 7: You know, this is another source told me someone who

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Speaker 7: is a senior administration official in Trump won. She is

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Speaker 7: the universal pick amongst base conservative Mago World for Department

826
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Speaker 7: of Defense. So this was before the Heike Seth announcement

827
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 7: came out. So she even has purchased with Mago World.

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Speaker 7: There are people in mago World who really really love her.

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Speaker 7: But because she's as my understanding is, because she's such

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Speaker 7: a new convert to trump Ism, Trumpell just doesn't fully

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Speaker 7: trust her with one of these positions, which is, uh,

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Speaker 7: she's beloved by the base, so if she ends up

833
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Speaker 7: with absolutely nothing, that speaks to a level of distrust

834
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Speaker 7: that I think has been kept from public.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and as somebody who's in Trump will put it

836
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 6: to me, he said quote she rubs people the wrong

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Speaker 6: way sometimes, which actually that follows her from the from

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Speaker 6: the Democratic Party, like that was a problem she had

839
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Speaker 6: over there as well. Maybe some of this is misogy,

840
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Speaker 6: not saying that's limited to Republicans at all, but also

841
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 6: you know, she's interesting, different and iconoclastic and that can

842
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 6: rub people the wrong ways. So there is some personal

843
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 6: stuff going on here. The source also said he thought

844
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Speaker 6: that she was still in the running. Now it's still

845
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Speaker 6: in the mix. Talk being talked about for Director of

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Speaker 6: National Intelligence, which is wild, like, you know, because she

847
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 6: was a couple term member of Congress. To move from

848
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 6: there to the Director of National Intelligence would be rather extraordinarily,

849
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Speaker 6: but also reflects the the you know, the way that

850
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Speaker 6: Trump has kind of up ended things and made things

851
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Speaker 6: that would be completely impossible and a previous era possible.

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Speaker 7: Well, Steve, if she gets that, I'm sure she's trying

853
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 7: to be in the race for it. There are other

854
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 7: people who would imagine might be ahead of her, but

855
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 7: she does have I think. I mean, her foreign policy

856
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 7: departs from even Trumps on insignificant ways. Syria is a

857
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: good example, you know, like that, and from Hagsas in

858
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 7: very significant ways.

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Speaker 6: It's a very interesting foreign policy. She's like, she's far

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Speaker 6: right when it comes to like Hindu nationalism, aligned with

861
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Speaker 6: the Modi, basically a huge supporter of the war on terror,

862
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Speaker 6: like drone strikes, and some of the Islamophobia or some

863
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 6: of the hostility to political Islam that is inherent in

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Speaker 6: some of that far right wing Hindu nationalism is present

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Speaker 6: in her support for global war on terror, and support

866
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Speaker 6: for the global War on terror is not really consistent

867
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Speaker 6: with the kind of America first, like you know, try

868
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Speaker 6: to attempt to retrench American power projection. So your point

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Speaker 6: about theia is is is a good one.

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Speaker 4: So she's against regime change wars, but.

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Speaker 6: Supportive of lots of drone strikes against Muslims. So it's

872
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 6: like it's there's yeah, it's she's she's different.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't fit neatly into one box or the other.

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Speaker 5: Meaning if you're just she.

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Speaker 4: Sorted out, she fits neatly into kind of like a

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Speaker 4: Modi box.

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Speaker 7: Well, but one box in Trump the other in the

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Speaker 7: United States exactly. So yeah, if you if you don't

879
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Speaker 7: fit into one of the like you're not fully in.

880
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Speaker 7: You couldn't perfectly be described like in the Tucker box

881
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Speaker 7: and the Don Junior box or in the Marc Rubio box.

882
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: And so if you're the elements of her that all

883
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: different factions like but all different facts differs are uncomforable

884
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: with different elements of her.

885
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 7: Right, which would mean that you don't have a lot

886
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 7: of like full throated advocates for an actual substantive defense position.

887
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 7: Maybe she'll get something that is like more involves a ceremonial,

888
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 7: public facing representation of the administration's policies.

889
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's probably something like that around, but

890
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 5: it is.

891
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 7: I think given how heavily she was used on the

892
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Speaker 7: campaign trail, given how much she is absolutely beloved by

893
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 7: the Maga bass it's it's sort of interesting that she

894
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 7: may end up with nothing super substantive, and.

895
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Speaker 4: We'll see, and she might she might get a big job.

896
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: You see, as we.

897
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Speaker 7: Speak this morning, right now, Republican senators are casting secret

898
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 7: ballots for their new majority leader in the Upper Chamber.

899
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 7: Their options are the very enticing trio of John Thune,

900
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 7: John Cornyn, and Rick Scott. I said that sarcastically, obviously,

901
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 7: but it looks like right now there's some leaks coming

902
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 7: out of the meeting, which is happening again as we're speaking,

903
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 7: it looks like it's going to be John Cornyn.

904
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Speaker 5: That could obviously change. So why does any of this matter?

905
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 7: There are some obvious reasons and then some less obvious

906
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 7: ones too. With a majority in the Senate and likely

907
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 7: majority in the House, Republicans will be able to pass

908
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 7: major legislation. When Donald Trump is inaugurated in January, the

909
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 7: Senate confirms cabinet and court nominations. The Majority leader sets

910
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 7: the tone and makes procedural decisions with massive consequences, even

911
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 7: if all of this is often obfuscated by very confusing

912
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 7: inside baseball. Here's how our friend Rachel Bouvard, a longtime

913
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 7: Senate staffer, including on the Steering Committee, put it in

914
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 7: The Federalist yesterday, channeling what I think is fair to

915
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 7: say the broader sentiments of the conservative world, Rachel wrote, quote,

916
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 7: for Senate Republicans, this means closing the book on the

917
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 7: Mitch McConnell era of governance marked by heavily centralized management

918
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 7: and open hostility to the Trump agenda and the Republican base.

919
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: On November thirteenth, they will elect.

920
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 7: A new leader for the first time in nearly eighteen

921
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 7: years and have a chance to usher in a new

922
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 7: leadership that is accountable to the conference and the priorities

923
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 7: of the evolving base of the Republican Party. So the

924
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Speaker 7: Majority leader is the party's chief negotiator if he won't

925
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Speaker 7: go to the map for it, let's say, cutting Ukraine

926
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 7: funding or a hardcore border bill. MAGA senators and Donald

927
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 7: Trump can't do that much about it other than exert

928
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 7: public pressure, which is powerful, and then play hardball in

929
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 7: smoke filled back rooms. So why is this a problem

930
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 7: for Republicans? Trump is claiming a mandate, so why would

931
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 7: any of the options for majority leader be a thorn

932
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 7: in his side on these issues. John Thune and John

933
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 7: Cornyan are longtime allies of Mitch McConnell, who has made

934
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 7: no secret of his personal disdain for Trump. Thun and Cornyn,

935
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 7: both from Red States, joined the Senate in the bush Yars.

936
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Speaker 7: Rick Scott entered politics as Florida governor in the Tea

937
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 7: Party wave, and then joined the Senate in twenty nineteen,

938
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Speaker 7: where he quickly.

939
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: Aligned himself with the MAGA movement.

940
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Speaker 7: In twenty twenty two, as McConnell insisted on his tradition

941
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Speaker 7: of not releasing a policy agenda, Scott sought to fill

942
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Speaker 7: that vacuum with a plan to rescue America, that was

943
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Speaker 7: what it was called. He courted conservative thinkers and journalists,

944
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 7: including myself, seeking to establish himself as the populist alternative

945
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Speaker 7: to McConnell, operating on the understanding that McConnell was ailing

946
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 7: and also deeply unpopular at the time. Scott was talking

947
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 7: to people again. I had conversations with him about all

948
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 7: of this, really laying the groundwork, and it was a

949
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 7: clever move. He was buying goodwill with people who would

950
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Speaker 7: be in positions to offer public support of him, including

951
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 7: people in the Senate, including people in the media. But

952
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 7: backlash over the plans points on the social safety Net,

953
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 7: which were used by Democrats in their campaigns, brought about

954
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Speaker 7: a consensus in some Republican circles, actually in Republican circles generally,

955
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 7: that Scott was kind of in over his head, got

956
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 7: ahead of his skis. Nevertheless, after the GOP's disappointing twenty

957
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 7: twenty two midterms, Scott scored ten vot votes in the

958
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Speaker 7: secret ballot election for Senate leader. McConnell still got thirty seven,

959
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 7: but picking off ten was pretty impressive given that a

960
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 7: lot of Senators were being publicly asked by reporters to

961
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Speaker 7: say how they voted. National media is now acting like

962
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 7: Rick Scott's challenge basically came out of nowhere.

963
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Speaker 4: It did not.

964
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Speaker 7: He has been laying the groundwork for this over the

965
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Speaker 7: course of several years and sensing an opportunity to either

966
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Speaker 7: change leadership or pressure.

967
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 5: Them to be better.

968
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 7: Mike Lee really followed in the footsteps of the House

969
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 7: Freedom Caucus recently. The Freedom Caucus obviously pushed Kevin McCarthy

970
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 7: to make all kinds of concessions in exchange for their

971
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 7: votes for his speakership, and Lee put out a list

972
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Speaker 7: of parliamentary demands to empower conservatives. He's been working hard

973
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 7: in public and private to push the list and to

974
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 7: push Rick Scott's bid. The demands are super granular. They

975
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 7: sound super granular, but would be pretty consequential.

976
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Speaker 5: Consequential.

977
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 7: Lee wants four weeks of time for debating and amending

978
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 7: omnibus bills. He wants a floor schedule for appropriations. He

979
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 7: wants to reform something called filling the tree in the

980
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 7: amendment process. And he wants term limit on leaders and

981
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 7: then goals to be stated upfront every year. Trump himself

982
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 7: has treated the question of recess appointments as a litmus

983
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 7: test for the next leader. Ryan and I had talked

984
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 7: about that earlier in the show. Getting through recess appointments

985
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 7: would allow him to fill up his cabinet quickly and

986
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 7: without pushing members to take controversial votes.

987
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 5: Now, it's all similar stuff to what happened with Kevin McCarthy.

988
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 7: Demands that kind of harken back to the Tea Party

989
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 7: years when conservatives were demanding leadership listened to the base.

990
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 7: Lee of course, would arguably be a better and more

991
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 7: appealing and charismatic leader than Rick Scott himself, but Lee's

992
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 7: libertarians lash populous streak means he almost surely would not

993
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 7: be able to secure enough votes from a conference that

994
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 7: still includes Centrists like Susan Collins. Earlier this year, Donald

995
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 7: Trump Junior tweeted quote Rhino Senators John Thune and John

996
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 7: Cornyan both want to replace miss McConnell once he finally

997
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 7: gets put out to pasture. Both of them also voted

998
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 7: to send billions more to Ukraine. Mega must do everything

999
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 7: in our power to either stop to stop either of

1000
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 7: these Rhinos from ever becoming Senate leader. Both men are

1001
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 7: seen as being aligned with more of the donor class

1002
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 7: than the base on foreign policy and the border, voting

1003
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 7: as Ukraine hawks and supporting Senator James Langford's trojan horse.

1004
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 7: McConnell pushed border deal earlier this year. To say the

1005
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 7: very least they are out of step with most Republican voters,

1006
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 7: but just about anyone in a leadership position in Congress

1007
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 7: is going to be, which is why the bench of

1008
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 7: potential successor to McConnell isn't very deep. It's either two

1009
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 7: friends of his or the one guy crazy enough to

1010
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 7: take those guys on. Rick Scott is not perfect, but

1011
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 7: he's made a political calculation that populism is where the

1012
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 7: votes are, so that means the MAGA agenda will clearly

1013
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 7: be better off with him in power, even if he's

1014
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 7: an unlikable ambassador for the cause and struggles to actually

1015
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 7: get anything done. Now, those are both serious problems, and

1016
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 7: recognizing Scott's odds, MAGA operators in the conservative movement seem

1017
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 7: to have secured some concessions from John Cornyan, who's politically

1018
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 7: ambitious enough to recognize that it's wise to pull a

1019
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 7: little bit of a McCarthy here and give those guys something.

1020
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 7: Just last night, he released a Dear Colleague letter saying

1021
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 7: that he's with Rick Scott and actually with Mike Lee

1022
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 7: on some of those priorities about how they could reform

1023
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 7: Senate procedures. So if MAGA world, if conservatives can defeat

1024
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 7: John Thune. It'll be a win either way for MAGA,

1025
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 7: which would have simply got nothing if Lee hadn't mounted

1026
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 7: this effort behind the scenes. And it's a win for

1027
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 7: actual conservative voters, by the way, who will also now

1028
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 7: have a little bit more of a voice in DC.

1029
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 7: Whether you like MAGA populists or not, this will empower

1030
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 7: anti establishment voices. The real question now is just how

1031
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 7: much it will empower them. So, Ryan, you've covered the

1032
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 7: Senate for a really long time. Some of this is

1033
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 7: actually left over from the Harry Reid era. You covered

1034
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 7: Harry Reid very closely. Filling the tree, I think is

1035
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 7: a process that Harry Reid was sort of a pioneer of,

1036
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 7: at least in recent history. So I'm curious from the

1037
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 7: perspective of somebody on the laugh the anti establishment wing

1038
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 7: of the Democratic Party has played a little bit more

1039
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 7: nicely with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi now Kim Jeffries

1040
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 7: than the Freedom Caucus guys and Ted Cruz and Mike

1041
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 7: Lee did, especially in the Tea Party era Ran Paul

1042
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 7: as well. Some of this is sounds great even from

1043
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 7: like a bipartisan perspective, like actually having four weeks of

1044
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 7: debate on omnibus omnibus bills, having your party leader say

1045
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 7: what your goals are at the head at the beginning

1046
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 7: of every year.

1047
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1048
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 7: It actually just seems like a way to make the

1049
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 7: Senate work better.

1050
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 6: Right, But just like the Freedom Caucus reforms that they

1051
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 6: successfully extracted, when the rubber hits the road, they get

1052
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 6: tossed out, Like bills still get put on the floor

1053
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 6: and moved quickly through despite promises that all you'll get

1054
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 6: seventy two hours to look, everybody will get to amend,

1055
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 6: like all all of these promises that they make about

1056
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 6: you know, democracy end up kind of just getting tossed

1057
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 6: out when in reality. But yes, from from a just

1058
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 6: small D democratic perspective, it would be nice if we

1059
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 6: had democratic institutions again. Yeah, no, I mean at some

1060
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 6: point you're like, hold on, You've got the president, the

1061
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 6: Supreme Court, in Congress. And then if Congress is run

1062
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 6: by four people who are all from red or blue

1063
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 6: states and basically cannot be voted out. So the four

1064
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 6: people being you know, the House Democratic Leader, House Republican Leader,

1065
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 6: Senate Democratic Leader, Senate Republican leader.

1066
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: They call them the firm. Those are the big they

1067
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: call them the Big Four.

1068
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 6: If then the only way that you can as a

1069
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 6: voter influence power is by switching parties from Republican to Democratic,

1070
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 6: since none of the representatives or senators have any power

1071
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 6: because they're just at the you know, they're just at

1072
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 6: the whim of this this Big four. Like, how different

1073
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 6: is that than China? Like in China, like the the

1074
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 6: government is responsive to people's will, not through democratic elections

1075
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 6: because they don't want to get overthrown and want to

1076
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 6: make people happy.

1077
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 4: They want to keep prices all, they want to keep

1078
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 4: the economy growing.

1079
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 6: I'd rather have elections, sure, but if all your elections

1080
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 6: can do is narrowed down to this tiny margin, it's

1081
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 6: not that impressive of a system from a democratic perspective.

1082
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 7: So a lot of the objectionable foreign policy that most

1083
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 7: voters would say, if you put this in front of

1084
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 7: me in a ballot referendum, I would vote it down,

1085
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 7: most of it gets packed into these omnibus bills that

1086
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 7: aren't really debated on. So the senators just say, this

1087
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 7: was my leverage at the last minute. That's just what

1088
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 7: we had to do to get this other priority. And

1089
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 7: if you have more debate on omnibus bills, you probably

1090
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 7: will get a slightly more representative foreign policy because senators

1091
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 7: will have to take a little bit more heat for

1092
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 7: having these conversations in public.

1093
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 5: So that's at least I.

1094
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Speaker 7: Mean cornyin last night, literally last night came around and

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Speaker 7: he put out a Dear Colleague letter essentially agreeing with

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Speaker 7: a lot of the tenets of the Lee plan that.

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Speaker 5: Rick Scott had pushed.

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Speaker 7: And so a source told me, basically, this is a

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Speaker 7: win for us either way as long as it's not

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Speaker 7: John Thune. So if they come out of this with

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Speaker 7: either Rick Scott or John Cornyn, Mike Lee wing, the

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Speaker 7: conservative wing is going to feel pretty good about it,

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Speaker 7: even though people like Tedgers do have long time connections

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Speaker 7: with Thune because he was a McConnell, he's obviously McConnell

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Speaker 7: ally and McConnell deputy. You had to have good relationships

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Speaker 7: with him. You had to make inroads with him in

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Speaker 7: order to get anything done, which I mean Rick Scott,

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Speaker 7: how much can.

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Speaker 5: He get done.

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Speaker 7: He's broadly disliked by a lot of people, and he's

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Speaker 7: putting out things about how he was a business leader,

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Speaker 7: trying to convince some of the establishment people to come

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Speaker 7: over to him because he was a business leader. And

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Speaker 7: now Eve and I could talk about his record as

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Speaker 7: a business leader.

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Speaker 6: He oversaw basically the greatest medicare fraud in the history

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Speaker 6: of the United States. Somehow is not in prison and

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Speaker 6: instead is on the cusp of being a Senate majority leader.

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Speaker 6: John Cornyn, yeah, is an old school Chamber of Commerce

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Speaker 6: Democrat from Texas Republican.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, did I say Democrat?

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Speaker 7: But a lot of people on the right would be like, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And he would have been a Democrat in the

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Speaker 6: sixties seventies from Texas. Actually he may even have been

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Speaker 6: when he was younger, because that's it was a one

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Speaker 6: party state, but it was a democratic state back when

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Speaker 6: the LBJ was around.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 6: He has spent decades or at least close to two

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Speaker 6: decades raising money for his colleagues in the Senate Republican

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Speaker 6: conference and is very attentive to their needs and is

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Speaker 6: well liked by them. And so if he wins, it'll

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Speaker 6: be because that old school method of winning power still works.

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Speaker 6: Like he when these people were running for the Senate

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Speaker 6: for the first time, he was there in their district

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Speaker 6: raising money for them, connecting them with donors, you know,

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Speaker 6: making making sure they won, and people feel a real

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Speaker 6: loyalty for that. When when Rick Scott was in charge

1139
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Speaker 6: of electing senators who put out some stupid plan where

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Speaker 6: he was going to like tax half the country it.

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Speaker 5: Was entitlements that people were like, you're cunning, so strange.

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Speaker 4: What are you doing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like you're making it harder for us to win

1144
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Speaker 6: election rather than easier when your job is to make

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Speaker 6: it easier. If Rick Scott sneaks through, it'll be because

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Speaker 6: the establishments split them, split their votes between Thune and Cornyn,

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Speaker 6: which would be an impressive own goal on their.

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Speaker 7: Part, right, Yeah, and a couple of other things to mentioned.

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Speaker 7: Trump has so far stayed out of the race, and

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Speaker 7: obviously that you mean they're voting now, even jad Vance,

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Speaker 7: who's there, it's.

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Speaker 4: Very clearly Rick Scott.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, although you know Cornyn is obviously trying to

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Speaker 7: be really friendly with those folks. And I think Trump

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Speaker 7: just wants whoever wins. That's probably the correct theory, so

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Speaker 7: why he stayed out of it. Jad Vance wouldn't say

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Speaker 7: who he was voting for, according to at least the

1158
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 7: earlier reports were getting when he was or who he

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Speaker 7: was supporting when he.

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Speaker 5: Came to the Senate today.

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Speaker 7: So Trump is on Capitol Hill today, he's actually.

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Speaker 5: Going to talk to people. He's going to the White House.

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Speaker 7: That's another important like subplot in today's crazy news cycle

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Speaker 7: with all the appointments and all of this going on.

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Speaker 7: But Mitch McConnell is the longest serving party leader in

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Speaker 7: the history of the sign it. So that's why this

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Speaker 7: is extremely consequential. Thun and Cornin had a lot of

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Speaker 7: negative things to say about Donald Trump over the years

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Speaker 7: when it came to things like the Access Hollywood tape.

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Speaker 7: Obviously they voted differently than a lot of the Mega

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Speaker 7: when would want them to in Ukraine. So there's this

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Speaker 7: real deep seated fear that they will do everything they

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Speaker 7: can to undermine the goals of the Mega agenda when

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Speaker 7: it's actually you rubber meets the road in legislation and

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Speaker 7: even just as their fundraising and negotiating and all of

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Speaker 7: that stuff, you mis McConnell is seen as somebody who,

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Speaker 7: going back to the Tea Party years, was undercutting the

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Speaker 7: hard right in fundraising and at his Senate leadership fund and.

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Speaker 5: With those various groups.

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Speaker 7: So it's a it's a pretty consequential position and definitely

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Speaker 7: a new era in the GOP.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Interesting up next the Russian counter offensive and Cursk as

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Speaker 6: both sides away kind of Trump's intervention in this conflict,

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Speaker 6: so we can put D one up on the screen.

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Speaker 6: It's very hard to know what's going on in the

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Speaker 6: war between Russia and Ukraine, obviously because both sides are

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Speaker 6: pushing in a propaganda but you know, according to the

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Speaker 6: Ukrainian forces, the last couple of days have been among

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Speaker 6: the highest rates of casualt is almost two thousand a

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Speaker 6: piece into two straight days for Russian forces as they

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Speaker 6: have launched a counter offensive. Now Ukraine does not break down,

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Speaker 6: you know how that includes, you know, whether that includes

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Speaker 6: you know, killed, wounded, or taken prisoner.

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Speaker 4: But the reason that it's.

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Speaker 6: It's plausible that Russia is suffering huge cases that they

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Speaker 6: are trying in the space of a couple of months

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Speaker 6: to take back as much territory as they possibly can

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Speaker 6: before Trump is torn in.

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Speaker 4: On January twentieth, over the weekend, you can put up

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Speaker 4: D to here.

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Speaker 6: There are a lot of reports that Russia was massing,

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Speaker 6: you know, fifty thousand troops for this curse counter offensive.

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Speaker 4: Many of them actually North Korean special forces.

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Speaker 6: So this is this is where because what they're trying

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Speaker 6: to do, and what court what they claim that they

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Speaker 6: have successfully been able to do is mass this fifty

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Speaker 6: thousand person fighting force without taking troops.

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Speaker 4: Away from anywhere else on the on the front lines.

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Speaker 6: And so it would stand to reason that because they

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Speaker 6: are just throwing as many people as they can at

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Speaker 6: the Ukrainian defenses, that they are indeed suffering, you know,

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Speaker 6: significant casualties.

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that they will ultimately be able

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 6: Stopped because they just have they have more manpower than

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Speaker 6: Ukraine does at this point. Now, obviously the defensive line

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Speaker 6: is much easier to maintain with land mines and with

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Speaker 6: with drone technology. And you know, meanwhile, Russia is launching

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Speaker 6: enormous numbers apparently of suicide drones at the Ukrainians. So

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Speaker 6: this is going to be hell on Earth probably for

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Speaker 6: the next several weeks or months, as as the two

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Speaker 6: sides jockey for position ahead of what they both expect

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Speaker 6: will be some kind of a forced ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: You put up the third element here.

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Speaker 6: This is an article from Newsweek making the same point.

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Speaker 6: Russia racing gets time to retake Kursk ahead of ahead

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Speaker 6: of Trump ceasefire.

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Speaker 7: That's I think an interesting way to frame this. And

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Speaker 7: you talked about that when we opened the show up

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Speaker 7: a little bit. And I guess, how connected do you

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Speaker 7: think this is? I mean, this is happening against the

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Speaker 7: backdrop of all of these actually fairly hawkish appointments. I'm

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Speaker 7: genuinely heterodox, but like fairly hawkish appointments coming out. So

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Speaker 7: how connected do you think this is from Donald Trump?

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Speaker 7: I should say, how connected do you think this is

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Speaker 7: the potential shift in policyunder Donald Trump, which, by the way,

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Speaker 7: we don't actually know would what it would be because

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Speaker 7: Trump repeatedly over the course of the campaign trail hedged

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Speaker 7: on his plan. He said he doesn't want to say

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Speaker 7: his plan because it would be telegraphing too much to

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Speaker 7: world leaders. Obviously, people are worried that Trump is going

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Speaker 7: to appoint people who are or Trump already has appointed

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Speaker 7: people for example, Rubio didn't fully back the Ukraine spending

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Speaker 7: just several months ago, and that Donald Trump will be

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Speaker 7: more aligned with Tucker Carlson on You Crane and heal

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Speaker 7: a point, Tulsa Gabbard and Robert F. Kennedy junior powerful positions,

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Speaker 7: and he'll be listening to them. So far, that's not

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Speaker 7: really what is foreign policy looks like it'll be shaping

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Speaker 7: up to be in the second administration. But how connected

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Speaker 7: do you think it is to the possibility what we're

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Speaker 7: seeing right now is connected to the possibility that there's

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Speaker 7: a hawkish shift in Washington.

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Speaker 4: I think it's completely what we're saying here interesting, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Because Biden's been pretty hawkish.

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Speaker 6: Not hawk I think that Putin really does feel like

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Speaker 6: uh and Zelenski feel the same way.

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Speaker 4: I think that that that Trump.

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Speaker 6: Is going to try to end this war so that

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Speaker 6: he can deliver on a kind of campaign promise, and

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Speaker 6: he and Trump has said that there has to be

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Speaker 6: a negotiated end to this, and so I think everybody

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Speaker 6: feels like they the end is coming. Whether Trump can

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Speaker 6: actually enforce an end is an open question, but people

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Speaker 6: think that he's going to try.

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Speaker 4: You put up we can put up D four here.

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Speaker 6: This is Fox News reporter Trey Yinst who's saying, you

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Speaker 6: can't understand how challenging the front is right now for

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Speaker 6: Ukrainian forces. Updated maps show multiple Russian advances in Donetsk.

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Speaker 6: This comes as reports indicate fifty thousand Russian in North

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Speaker 6: Koretan's order staging for a counter offensive a curse.

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Speaker 4: So they're making it, making advances in donuts while also.

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Speaker 6: Pushing here as well to against a very much depleted force.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Zelensky just the other day, actually we can put up

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Speaker 4: D five here. This is at a press.

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Speaker 6: Conference with European media where Zelenski said, look, we're not

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Speaker 6: you know, Trump can try to push me into a deal,

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Speaker 6: but I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to make one.

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Speaker 6: Zelenski said, I believe that President Trump really wants a

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Speaker 6: quick decision unquote to end the conflict, but he added, quote,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't mean that it will happen this way. Zelenski's

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Speaker 6: stressed that a peace process must be just and not

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Speaker 6: risk leaving Ukraine vulnerable.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 6: Trump wants this war to be finished, as Zelenski continued

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Speaker 6: acknowledging that while everyone shares that goal, Uh that you know,

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Speaker 6: Ukraine is not going to be kind of pushed around,

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Speaker 6: so like there is That's that's Lensky's claim. So everybody

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Speaker 6: is aware that Trump wants to end this. What that

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 6: actually means, what Trump does with that, and what that

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Speaker 6: means on the ground is the thing that they're fighting

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Speaker 6: fighting through now.

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Speaker 7: And obviously if Putin is able to make significant advances,

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Speaker 7: it gives him leverage to any potential.

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Speaker 6: Right now, Ukrainian Ukraine is in Russia. Yeah, which, right, Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: Has hoped with no plan to exit, right, and some.

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Speaker 6: In Ukraine I hope like, Okay, this is our leverage

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Speaker 6: then to get back Ukrainian territory.

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Speaker 4: Right, We'll give you back this Russian territory. Right, So

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Speaker 4: we'll say this. You know this.

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Speaker 6: It's almost twenty twenty five, and this is war that's

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Speaker 6: been going for years that really shouldn't be.

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Speaker 7: This is awful and North Korea's involvement is also I

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Speaker 7: think disconcerting one. I mean, wrapping all of the nuclear

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Speaker 7: powers into one conflict.

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Speaker 5: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 4: Yes, come on, yeah, all right, Ryan.

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Speaker 7: We we have a guest lined up that is very

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Speaker 7: eager to get this perspective, someone who you've worked with,

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Speaker 7: a drop side who's written.

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Speaker 4: For drop site about Baker Abed.

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Speaker 6: A reporter from dary Bala joins next to talk about

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Speaker 6: what conditions are like there after the already day deadline

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Speaker 6: given by the United States to Israel to increase humanitarian

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Speaker 6: aid has expired, so stick around for that. Joining us

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Speaker 6: now from Daari Bala Gaza is Abu Baker ab Ed,

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Speaker 6: contributor at drop site News.

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Speaker 4: Abu Bacher, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me as well, and

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Speaker 2: let's start.

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Speaker 6: We can put your dispatch up on the screen here.

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Speaker 6: This was in drop site yesterday. Incredible first person report

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Speaker 6: that also gets into a lot of the kind of

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Speaker 6: technical details as well as what's going on. I just

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Speaker 6: want to read a quick portion from it for people's

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 6: they can get a flavor for it. You write, I

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01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 6: dream of food every day. I imagine our fridge full

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Speaker 6: of meat, lettuce, milk, and cheese. I sometimes talk to

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01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 6: myself at night when I'm hungry and have nothing to eat.

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Speaker 6: I dream of when I was able to sit at

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Speaker 6: a dinner table with my family again. My nephew and niece,

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01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 6: both two years old, wake up every day crying for

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 6: an egg. Their mothers don't know what to do. To

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Speaker 6: distract them a bit, we show them videos of eggs

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 6: on the internet. You also, you know you write about

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Speaker 6: some anecdotes where a mother breastfeeding a baby, waiting in

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Speaker 6: line for hours for something and just coming up empty.

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Speaker 6: But your story also gets into the data and the

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Speaker 6: stats about what is what is getting what is getting in.

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Speaker 6: So as you compare the conditions that you've been able

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Speaker 6: to report on over the last you know, several weeks

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 6: and a month, and if you compare those two several

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 6: months ago, how how do those compare? Because of the

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Speaker 6: State Department said Israel has one month to improve, did

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Speaker 6: things improve?

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Speaker 2: Not at all? No, unfortunately, because I've been like caring

1349
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: from the secretary blinking like for over like since the

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: start of this genocide. But he's absolutely been mine because

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: what we see on the ground is that even a

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 2: humanitarian organization so not allowed to operate well across the territory.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time I need to tell you

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,480
Speaker 2: is that even aid is not disputed well to families

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 2: like for example, a lot of families here are growning

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: in pain and growning in hunger every single day because

1357
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 2: there is no aid reaching them on a very daily basis.

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: Because these people have been displaced, they have no hope

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01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: at the moment, they don't work, their families don't have

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01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: anything to do with this war because they're not a

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01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: party to this war. So these say that if there

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Speaker 2: are humanitarian organizations work on the ground. So why are

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Speaker 2: we not receiving aid every single day? And I can

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,520
Speaker 2: tell you that there are many families here in particular

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: around me where I am at the moment, and they

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: can tell you that since the start of this genocide

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01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 2: they haven't received any eight boxes at all at all,

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Speaker 2: literally at all. And let me start with myself. I

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01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: haven't received anything from the start of this war. But

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Speaker 2: it's very important to tell you that our main objective,

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Speaker 2: our main home is that this war must stand. We

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01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: don't need aid, we don't need anything. But what we've

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01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: seen over the last two weeks in particular, is that

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01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: people have been falling out a lot to bring in

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: some aid, to bring in flows of aid and quite

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01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 2: you know, enhance the humanitarian situation inside gards. But instead

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01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: the United States has sent more weapons, there's reading more bonds,

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: it's killed much more families, many more families around CAUs

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 2: here and there that at least over the past two weeks,

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01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: it sister start to all they like, over the last

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: thirty days and we're talking about more than one hundred

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: people have been killed in dur And yesterday. Since we're

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01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 2: set a place here once more time, and two children

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01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: were killed, many others were unjured. So it's a very

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Speaker 2: apocalyptic situation here.

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Speaker 7: And I know you're familiar with all of the arguments

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01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 7: from people in the Western particular who will say the

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01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 7: reason this food isn't getting to the people who need

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 7: it is because of her mask and her masks to

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 7: blame for people. If people are hungry, it's because of

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 7: her mask. But then a lot of people will add

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01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 7: to that argument that it's some mythical famine and it's

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01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 7: not really happening.

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Speaker 5: Those two positions are sort of mutually exclusive. But what

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01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 5: do you say to two people.

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 7: Who just cannot what is the way for you know,

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01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 7: food to actually get to people who desperately need it?

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01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 7: You know, how can countries go ahead?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like there's some sort of you know

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: that warplanes aid work planes like through eight upon us

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01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: and this has been rebated over the course of time,

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01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 2: But this is a humiliation. This way and method has

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: killed hundreds of people. Like there is an eight box

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01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: throw like thrown over a tent and it just damaged

1406
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: this tent and be all inside it or killed. But

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: the way is, the safest way is is to open

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 2: the two crossings that Israel has closed past thirty days

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01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: and since May, because the right crossing has been for

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01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: since May. And you mentioned something again like Emily, I'm

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: not a political person, but what I've seen on the

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: ground yesterday, because people haven't been aware of that. A

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01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: lot that on Twitter, but they deleted it. Then I

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01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: mean in Almagaza refugee cap except for gods, that is

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01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: so cluss for me to me. If things are like

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: what people are thinking about, then why yesterday they are

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01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: not for me? They're not have mass fighters because there

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: are local security forces, that's what we call them, That's

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01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: how we should call them. Yesterday they intercepted the work

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: of a group of gangs and melicias that tried to

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: hit Jack and Aid the truck coming from Calmbo cell

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: And to Central Conzo. So if it is about Hamas,

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: if we talk about that, then why this why the

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: local security forces yesterday risked themselves and went out just

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: to intercept this work. This absolutely discussing and disgraceful work.

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: But we need to know that these people, these gangs

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: are assigned business is really military to cause chaos and

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: to cause this sort of confusion and turmoil among people

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: and deprive thousands of families trapped the territory from this

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01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: very important aid because I myself and a lot of families,

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: every single family around us here in the south, they're

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 2: in the north, they are buying maid and we buy

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 2: that by extremely excessive and unimaginable prices, and the prices

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: are skyrocting. But also it's very important to know that

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01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: the aid we're getting either to uran to emilate with

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01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: the audience. People like respect us. We are humans like you.

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: The aid we're getting is absolutely if the lowest equality

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01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 2: they sin does absolutely the lowest equality. Talk to people here,

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: they have had many times like severe gastro entritis, habrit artists,

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: a virus, and then when they are dispatch at the hospital.

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01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: We've been talking to doctors from the ground and they

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: told us that it is because of this aid. Because

1443
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: this aid is absolutely so bad, it doesn't make any sense.

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 2: It tastes so bad. So do not allow the flow

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: of aid to get into the terre tree, into gods

1446
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: at the Besis enclave and then send us or dispatch

1447
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: some sort of very bad quality. Eight. That is not

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01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 2: the case because we are a human students like we

1449
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: are We're accepting the fact to be starved, but do

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,560
Speaker 2: not humiliate us and dehumanize us by sending such so

1451
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,440
Speaker 2: called ape that you are sending us, which is absolutely

1452
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: non you know, non peachable. All.

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, you write in the article about how how much

1454
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 6: of the flower is completely bug infested, that pet food

1455
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 6: is becoming, uh, you know, something of a staple. But

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01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 6: I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little bit more

1457
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 6: on what you were saying about the gangs who are

1458
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 6: kind of who have have risen up, because there is

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 6: a lot of uh, suspicion from from outside. They say,

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01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 6: how is it that the IDF How is it that

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 6: Israel is allowing all of these gangs to flourish? You

1462
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 6: know that they're able to say, drones are you know,

1463
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 6: flying constantly everywhere. They can see the armed gangs going around,

1464
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 6: you know, hijacking aid, they attack, they attack a mass

1465
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 6: if they are able to see them.

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 4: But they allow yet they allow these gangs to go forward.

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01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 4: How what is the relationship here?

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: I mean, like there is a very important thing to know,

1469
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: which is that, like all, what is happening on the ground.

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 2: Because I've been speaking to some merchants from the ground,

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 2: and what they can tell you is that all thinks,

1472
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: all of these events, the train of events is happening

1473
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: near Carmobzell. It's all about that area, which is which

1474
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: is the crossing through which things are allowed to enter

1475
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: the strap. But what happened here is that the Israeli

1476
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: military is send the guad copters and drones to like

1477
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 2: for surveillance tasks and to watch over what is happening nearby.

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 2: And then when they say because they mark their you

1479
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: know their gangs, and they're as signed to gangs and militias,

1480
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: so they see one like a hart from their gangs,

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01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: they directly upon this group of people, for example, if

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: they are local security forces, because there is a difference

1483
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: between a gain. There's a difference between the resistance fighters

1484
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: who are Hamas fighters for people who are fighting this

1485
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: really liblitary, and a difference between the low security forces.

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01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 2: Local security forces are absolutely civilonious. They have nothing to

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01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: do with hamas, so they are not hamass to bomb

1488
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 2: them and kill them. So that is what is really

1489
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: having relationship is that we've seen here in their black

1490
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: mindseft that a group of people in the southwest of

1491
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: they can have been armed by those really liblitary weapons

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01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: and et cetera. So when you talk about it, like

1493
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: Hamass doesn't have the ability to have such weapons, so

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01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: you can expect that these people are goes in such

1495
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: a great deal of panic among people, even that during

1496
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: the night hours, like some people are getting out of

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01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 2: their houses, they are then you know, held at gunpoint

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01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: by these gangs and they are threatened just like together

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 2: everything they have. So a lot of people have gone

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01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: through such an experience because of these gangs who have

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 2: creative such carriers, and a lot of people have lost

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01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: many things. Like for example, a merchant has a big

1503
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: amount of money coming out to like going out to

1504
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: bring some goods or something, and of course there are

1505
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 2: unimaginable crisis and then they have such money and then

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01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: those gangs signed by Israeli military and the Israel army

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: are going to face them, confront them and take all

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01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: this money from them under the threat of gone fire

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01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: and you know, killing.

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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 4: Them, yeah, Israel.

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 6: Israeli politicians have talked about the strategy of propping up

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01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 6: and arming gangs in order to kind of sew dissension

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01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 6: inside of gods and to undermine hamas.

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 4: Is that people's understanding of what's going on.

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01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: I mean there is, yeah, they really know, but it's

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01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: just because that like there's a lot of chios and supportunity,

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: so we don't know where aid does go. I'm very

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01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 2: sorry that people have to know to understand events that

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01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: those gangs, it is very surprising and chucking. But we've

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 2: seen this on the ground, which is those gangs sometimes

1521
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 2: belong to the humanitarian organizations working on the ground. So

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01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: for example Honora or World such Eekitchen. I'm not getting

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01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: say I'm saying for example, but I've seen people who

1524
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 2: are responsible for this sort of acts in the territory,

1525
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 2: stealing and jacking rugs, they belong to those humanitarian organizations.

1526
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: I've been speaking to people and outside, like the audience.

1527
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm telling them all the time that the humanitarian organizations

1528
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 2: do not operate well, not only because they are under

1529
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 2: the threat of the Israeli military. No, because most of them,

1530
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 2: like some of them at Sile, are responsible or liable

1531
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: and viable, and they are the mastermind of these acts

1532
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 2: of hijacking, et cetera. So we will understand and know

1533
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: that these are humanitarian organizations are also responsible for what

1534
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: they are going through. The starvation force upon them. But

1535
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: the main reason we need to know that all of

1536
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 2: this has because of Isuel literacy. So there is nothing

1537
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 2: to do with the civilians or the local security forces.

1538
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: The local security forces are doing the very best. They

1539
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: are exerting strenuous efforts to secure the flow of aid

1540
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: in the interview. The interview aid to all people around

1541
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 2: the cause it simply bumps them. So that's what is

1542
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: really happening on the ground. And people have to also

1543
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: realize the fact that is like signing people. And we

1544
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 2: are in a time that people would easily give up

1545
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: for principles and there you know, they're I mean create

1546
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: just to find some sort of living and try to

1547
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: resist them. It's such incredibly harsh circumstances, so they are

1548
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: easily bombosled and deceived and persuaded. But there is real

1549
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 2: army to work within such a very you know, a

1550
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: very bad and moral way.

1551
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 5: Ranger, we play the State Department club.

1552
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's roll.

1553
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 6: I wanted to get your response to the State Department

1554
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 6: spokesperson Vitam Patel.

1555
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 4: Yesterday was the deadline for Israel.

1556
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 6: The deadline set by the United States and metrics set

1557
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 6: by the United States that deadline hit yesterday, and here's

1558
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 6: how the State Department responded and when to get some

1559
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 6: of your response to it.

1560
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 4: And that's well, Vatampateel, this is E five.

1561
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 14: Did you bother to put in three hundred and fifty

1562
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 14: trucks a day? If it doesn't matter, I'm not going

1563
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 14: to speak to the I mean, you keep saying you're

1564
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 14: not going to speak to specific metrics, but you guys

1565
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 14: are the ones that made this specific.

1566
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 4: We didn't.

1567
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 14: We didn't give the Israelis thirty days to do all

1568
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 14: this stuff.

1569
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 4: You guys did. And now those thirty days are up.

1570
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 14: And as you heard from everyone so far, and these

1571
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 14: aid groups that came out last night, they haven't met them.

1572
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 14: And all of a sudden, you say that the metrics

1573
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 14: that you put out don't matter.

1574
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 5: We've never said I had never said that they don't matter.

1575
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 5: What I said was, I mean, these are metrics exactly

1576
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 5: like you've put out.

1577
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: It's not a rabbit point.

1578
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 8: Its meaning I don't want to take up time getting

1579
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 8: into a specific tit for tat on like truck numbers.

1580
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 5: But what's your response to that exchange between Matt Lee.

1581
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 2: I've seen that, Yeah, I've seen that yesterday I saw it.

1582
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: But it's a really as I told you that they

1583
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,440
Speaker 2: are just manufacturing the genocide in Gaza. They are reliable

1584
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: for every brutal act of killing children, disempoweing them and

1585
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: dismembering them. Uh, and they are not allowing any shot

1586
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: bit to get it. They're just lying to people all

1587
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: around because everyone here knows, like from the ground charp

1588
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: tell them like I can tell you the man a

1589
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 2: few sid nieces are who haven't exceeded five years old,

1590
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: they can tell you that the United States is killing

1591
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: us because they have you know, they have that sort

1592
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: of notes right now of what the United States is about.

1593
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 2: Because it's really important to know that the United States

1594
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 2: is compab trating the genocide in Gaza. And you can

1595
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 2: see right now how many like there is a full

1596
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: generation of amputees in You can go out and what

1597
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: any of the seasons in gars so either in the

1598
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: south and the north, and you can see at least

1599
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: two three people amputated. And this is a result and

1600
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 2: a symptom of this is as American genocide have an underground.

1601
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: So the United States have never ever wanted this and

1602
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 2: like look I've been like I'm not a particular person

1603
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: it once again, but one I can tell you that

1604
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 2: the United State States have never wanted base, and it's

1605
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: responsible for every conflict that is happening across the law,

1606
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 2: even in your create, even even in Soudan, because they

1607
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: are aremen, the rs F that is responsible for the

1608
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: generoside that. So it's the United States. The United States

1609
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: have never wanted base, and it will continue supporting and

1610
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: funded genocide in Cauca and army industry because it's visually

1611
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: it's their friends. It's there, you know, a lie, you know,

1612
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 2: staunch chest, you know, friend of c But again, I

1613
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 2: mean like if the United States ever ever cared about us,

1614
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: this would end from a very very call from binding

1615
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: in the beginning or week of this war. Just it

1616
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: was something put there. It was just simply but Hamas

1617
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: tought it like the fighters, the resistance as we called it,

1618
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,839
Speaker 2: told the Israeli military that we could think exchange prisidents.

1619
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: And what we know so far is that after week

1620
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 2: this really army has goed more of that five thousand

1621
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: people in Glaza. So this sort of retaliation is more

1622
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 2: of that. This is more of a disproportionate response to

1623
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 2: what Hamas did the seventh. Okay, But then when things

1624
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 2: were put and the conditions were put by you know,

1625
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 2: by Hamas and resistant fighters here, this realimitaries said no,

1626
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: and they put one condition, which is not to into Gaza,

1627
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 2: not to invade us are because this sort of havoc

1628
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: upon the city. But then he said no, Biden, could

1629
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: it change things and could force Israel not to go

1630
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: ahead with its annexation in the files of plan and

1631
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 2: to be seeched in life. But again Binding wants the

1632
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: world wants to erase Gods because it's getting benefits from

1633
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 2: occupying the land a very you know, a very tiny

1634
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: tread that is that is full of you know, matter

1635
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: of sources, like sources like gasp because you can see

1636
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 2: the pier there that has been built many months ago.

1637
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 2: It's used because people are expecting right now, local experts

1638
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 2: are expecting the geographic you know, experts are expecting that

1639
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,879
Speaker 2: this peer will turn into will be turned into apport,

1640
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: seaport to allow those real military or the Israelis to

1641
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: do you know, this sort of commercial transfers between other

1642
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 2: countries between Europe and Asia, because Gods is in Asia,

1643
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 2: so you can see that. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to say this.

1644
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: We very We're very hopeful people, and I'm just hopeful.

1645
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm only twenty one years old, but i can tell

1646
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 2: you I've processed that I will emerge from this with all. Again,

1647
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: I'm not a political person, but what is really happening

1648
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:09,799
Speaker 2: is first for most and always is demetrated by the US.

1649
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,759
Speaker 2: Could not infing like stay one month in Gaza without

1650
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: the support of these of the United States.

1651
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 7: Well, and actually that might be a good opening here

1652
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 7: to rule E four, which is a clip of Code

1653
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 7: Pink activists anti war activists here in the United States

1654
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 7: some months ago approaching Senator Marco Rubio about his support

1655
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 7: for the Warren Gaza. And this is obviously as Marco

1656
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 7: Rubio now this was before, but now is being considered

1657
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 7: for a Secretary of State role here in the United States.

1658
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,839
Speaker 7: So let's go ahead and roll e for Marco Rubio's

1659
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 7: response to the Code Pink activists in the Senate hallway.

1660
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 4: I want you guys to get this.

1661
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 11: I want them to destroy every element of promastic and

1662
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 11: get their hands on These people are vicious animals who

1663
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 11: did horrifying crimes.

1664
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 4: And I hope you guys post that.

1665
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 10: About the civilians every day.

1666
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, putting civilians in the way.

1667
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 4: Hamas knew that this was going to lead to this,

1668
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 4: so Hamas has stopped building their military installations underneath hospital.

1669
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 2: So you don't care that fifteen thousand, you don't care

1670
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: about the babies that are.

1671
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 4: I think it's terrible, and I think Hamas is one

1672
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 4: hundred percent to blame.

1673
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 7: So that's obviously an ascendent view in the incoming Trump administration.

1674
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 13: And I'm so.

1675
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 5: Very representative. Go ahead, I'm sorry to.

1676
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Get you off this claim that it's all about Mass.

1677
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 2: It's all about what is happening like for example, I'm

1678
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: not Mass. I have no connection with that mass. My

1679
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: family doesn't have any relationship with any amassment. Okay, then

1680
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 2: why my being subjected to brutu and she and pure

1681
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: brutality and comparison and starvation. Then this is the question

1682
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 2: a lot of families because of health ministry. It's just

1683
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 2: announced the day that Israel has completely wiped out more

1684
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 2: than four thousand and five hundred families with no survivors.

1685
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Tell me, among the death all are more than seventeen

1686
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 2: thousand children, most of them are under five years old.

1687
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 2: What have they got to do with Mass. I mean,

1688
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: it's utterly despicable and utterly disgusting that people are still

1689
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: believing in these things. And again, Israeli military is asen.

1690
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,759
Speaker 2: The military self is born all those who have exceeded

1691
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 2: eighteen years old in their colony. I'm not going to

1692
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 2: say territory, Bob. Here you have the choice you never

1693
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 2: ever Hamas is going to tell you that you have

1694
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: your obliged to belong to us, never ever. And we

1695
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 2: have to know that there are four more than four

1696
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: political parties in Gaza. So where is Hannas in this

1697
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: equation that people are claiming talking about that we can

1698
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: justify the murder of more than seventeen thousand children, ten

1699
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 2: thousand women. I mean, look, I'm truly fit up with that,

1700
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: like to the level of that. Even some journalists from

1701
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: the Times, the Sunday Times in the UK and other

1702
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: places like the Guardian have asked me about this sort

1703
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,839
Speaker 2: of you know things that about Mass, about other spirit Already,

1704
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 2: we have nothing to do with that. Like a lot

1705
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: of people here, you talk about that least than forty

1706
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: thousand Hamass fighters. Okay, so how many families are in Gaza?

1707
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: Much much more many many more than that. You're talking

1708
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: about more than two hundred thousand families, and why have

1709
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 2: full team like five thousand around five thousand families been

1710
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 2: wiped out with violence. Like for example, I'm gonna give

1711
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: you an example like Tom a Ryus whose name went

1712
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 2: fired when he was killed along with his wife in

1713
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Gaza City. He was a chieved in with scholar and

1714
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 2: he was killed brutally called cold blood, along with his

1715
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: entire family. And they are still under the rock. By

1716
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 2: the way, a lot of people are selling the what

1717
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: like my neighbors. A child was bombed like November last year,

1718
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 2: today today, ten days later from today, it's well marketing. Yeah,

1719
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 2: it's will market year now from the time he was bombed.

1720
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 2: And he's still he's still undergrable for one year, one

1721
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 2: whole year. He's five years old, he's a he is

1722
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 2: a disabled child. And then tell me what has he

1723
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: got to do with him mask. Look, it's utterly irritated

1724
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: and I don't know, Like if you want to justify

1725
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 2: it again, it's very important trying animally to be a

1726
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 2: human for being a Germanist. If you're not a human,

1727
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: then don't be a Germanist. Like it's very simple as

1728
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: that there is a four people that has been exterminated

1729
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 2: at the moment, they have nothing to do with Hamas. Okay,

1730
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 2: and don't tell me that Hamas eyes behind civilians because look,

1731
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say anything about this. But of course,

1732
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: of course, like from me, I don't see anyone like

1733
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 2: around it, and I don't know that just just want

1734
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 2: the killing of you know, many people, many innocent wives,

1735
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: like I've lost my entire ants family, Like I mean, what.

1736
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 13: Have I to do with that?

1737
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what I can tell you that's justifying this.

1738
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 6: This Yeah, and the man that that man is reported

1739
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 6: to be headed to become Secretary of State to replace

1740
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 6: Anthony Blincoln.

1741
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 4: You know, what has been the reaction among people and.

1742
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 6: Darry Bala or others that you've spoken to in Gaza

1743
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 6: to the Trump the Trump victory in the election.

1744
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 4: Do people expect to get worse to stay the same?

1745
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 4: What's the what are people? What's the response?

1746
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 2: There's a very good question. Yes, I wanted you to

1747
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 2: ask you this because like they have the same opinion

1748
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 2: of Trump. He's a genocide more cripple and that one

1749
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 2: binding is a genosa war criple, and we have no

1750
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: fault at all in Trump to upend the current situation

1751
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 2: at all at all, Like we don't have anything we

1752
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 2: need to remember that is that Trump, when he was

1753
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 2: the president of the United States, he announced and declared

1754
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. And he is responsible

1755
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: for the process of normalization with our countries with Israel.

1756
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 2: So this is something to remember that he is a

1757
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: cause for what is happening, because I'm sure if he

1758
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 2: didn't do that our countries. It's such a very difficult

1759
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 2: time and in the face of this sort of extreme adversity,

1760
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: did it really move and act and intervene to stop

1761
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 2: what is happening in the ground. But I can tell

1762
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 2: you that even we don't know about politics, but we

1763
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 2: have had like Trump has just like does just have

1764
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 2: a bad reputation a people in Kasa, so it doesn't

1765
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 2: have any good thing to do with us. And we

1766
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 2: will know and understand realize that Trump, that Trump will

1767
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: worsen the situation inside the besieged enc live, and that

1768
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 2: he will kill and be responsible for another virgin, renewed

1769
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 2: virgin of the genocide, that Jobe Bide the genocide, Joe

1770
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 2: bind It started in October the seventh of last year.

1771
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 6: And just I'm curious on a personal level, if you

1772
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 6: don't mind, mind we asked. It's it's mid afternoon there

1773
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 6: now in Gaza.

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01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 4: What have you eaten so far today? And like what

1775
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 4: is what is your hope for what you might have

1776
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 4: before the day is over?

1777
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 2: You can see how the electricity was cut off. This

1778
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: is one of the main things that that is happening

1779
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 2: right down in Gaza. So it's very expected that I'm

1780
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 2: to continue. You are spinning the light and I'm hoping,

1781
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 2: and I'm like a human being. I'm human being. I'm

1782
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 2: supposed to be a human being, and I'm just like wishing,

1783
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: hoping for a day instead of you, like for a moment,

1784
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,560
Speaker 2: like give me like a moment of your life, of

1785
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 2: your worst day to me so that I can feel

1786
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 2: at least that I'm a human. But our Veta software

1787
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 2: is that again, it's just like some loaves of bread,

1788
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 2: if you have some bread, if you have it even

1789
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 2: and they are made by you know, they are made

1790
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 2: by bug infested flower of course, because there is no

1791
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 2: flower that has been allowed to enter the stread. But

1792
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: at the same time, we have like as I wrote

1793
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: in this piece. We have some like safted this local

1794
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 2: plate and with some all of us. So that's what

1795
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 2: we eat every single thing. It's just one time. So

1796
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: we are making a process. We're making a schedule payer

1797
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 2: you know, like we we we we minimize things. So

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01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 2: every everyone has a pop a portion. Ifyone has to

1799
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 2: eat every single days, not eat you know, all day

1800
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 2: or you know, I mean like you can't eat all day.

1801
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 2: There's no way that you can eat all day. Now,

1802
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: it's just a small portion, a small part that you

1803
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: can eat all day because you want to maintain what

1804
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 2: you already have at your home. You want to maintain that.

1805
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 2: So if you eat like a little bit more than

1806
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 2: what is expected, then what is I mean, what is

1807
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 2: like a lot of bread or some a lot of

1808
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: bread or something, then you will run after food. And

1809
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 2: this is something we want to try to you know,

1810
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 2: we want to avoid as people hearing Gaza. But as

1811
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 2: a twenty one year old person, I mean, this is

1812
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: not the first war I've been through. The first five

1813
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 2: five wars in Gaza have been many GM signs. Now

1814
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: this is the biggest g inside I've been through. But

1815
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,719
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I again I have hope.

1816
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: I have hope in people like you. They continue protesting

1817
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 2: and tackling the government every single day, and I hope

1818
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 2: that things will change because I will never and I

1819
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 2: can never lose hope at all at all, because I've

1820
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 2: been instilled into that to hope to life. No matter

1821
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: what circumstances are inflicted upon you, no matter what hell

1822
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 2: is a flicker, We're going to be. And I'm telling

1823
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: you from here, I don't know if I'm going to

1824
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 2: survive this brutality, this hellish time, but I can tell

1825
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 2: you that if I shot along, if I survive this

1826
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,600
Speaker 2: shot along, which I'm very hopeful about, we're going to

1827
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: be the leaders of a free world. All this young

1828
01:35:55,560 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 2: generation has been educated during this time about post On,

1829
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 2: about the double standards of the bustling community, the hypocrisy

1830
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: of an entire wistream media outfit, channel a network. It

1831
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 2: will lead the prosparity of this free work. There will

1832
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 2: there will be free will lit by us. So no

1833
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 2: matter what happen, what has happened, noneally, and I'll give

1834
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 2: you breathe though, and I have everything to keep smiling

1835
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, and no matter what's happening.

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Speaker 6: Well, I hope that for you, Aba Bakra, and I

1837
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 6: know that you've talked about wanting to return to sports journalism,

1838
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 6: you know, which was your which was your love before

1839
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 6: you were kind of requisitioned into into what you've been.

1840
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 4: Doing for the past year.

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Speaker 6: I just want to thank you for you sharing these

1842
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 6: stories that's perspective with us and give you our our

1843
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 6: very best from everybody here.

1844
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It was really important and very

1845
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 2: you know, very interesting to talk to you. But again,

1846
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you one thing. In the end,

1847
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 2: it is about you that will lead this a change

1848
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 2: we hope in you, and please never ever think about

1849
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 2: leaving us alone, because you are the reflection of our

1850
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: whole and one hundred percent confident I'm prior of your

1851
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 2: work right and if you work emily, it is your

1852
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,759
Speaker 2: responsibility to lead that a change and that it changed,

1853
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 2: it should be marked by your names. And we're going

1854
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 2: to make this word free from the United States. That

1855
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 2: must be free from the States administration, of course, not

1856
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 2: it's people.

1857
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all the best, we promise we will.

1858
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 6: Everybody watching should check out Abu Baker's latest article over

1859
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 6: at drop sitews dot com. Just just a very very

1860
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 6: powerful dispatch. Thank you, thank you for what you do,

1861
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 6: and we promise we'll keep it.

1862
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Up in shuttle.

1863
01:37:59,720 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 8: All the.

1864
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Speaker 4: New York mayoral elections are coming up next June.

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Speaker 6: Joining us now is Zuon Mam Donnie, who was a

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01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 6: candidate for election in New York State Assembly member.

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Speaker 4: Is that right, Yes, that's correct, Yes, I remember covering

1868
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 4: your first race.

1869
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 6: Part of this kind of DSA wave that kind of

1870
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 6: swept its way into power in New York City and

1871
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 6: across the state and has kind of reshaped the politics

1872
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 6: in an interesting way.

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Speaker 4: What gave you the idea to jump from there to

1874
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 4: running for mayor?

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Speaker 8: You know?

1876
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Speaker 10: The cost of living crisis. To be frank with you,

1877
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 10: New Yorkers across the five boroughs are struggling to afford

1878
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 10: even a shred of dignity in their lives, and Mayor

1879
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 10: Eric Adams has used almost every opportunity to exacerbate that crisis.

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Speaker 10: He has raised rents on more than two million New

1881
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 10: Yorkers by nine percent, rates we haven't seen since a

1882
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 10: Republican was running city Hall. He has supported khan En

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01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 10: when they put in an application to raise New Yorker's

1884
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 10: utility bills by about seventy dollars a month. He has

1885
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 10: sat on his hands whenever he's had the opportunity to

1886
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,799
Speaker 10: provide any kind of relief. And this is a position

1887
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 10: that New Yorker should look to as one that gives

1888
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 10: them respite from the economic crisis and the rest of

1889
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 10: their life, as opposed to one that is borning gasoline

1890
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Speaker 10: on the fire that is already consuming them now.

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Speaker 7: It's also kind of an interesting position to be in

1892
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 7: with someone as someone with your politics, where you have

1893
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 7: a lot of populism and you know, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

1894
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 7: also someone from the DSA Wave, was posting on her

1895
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 7: Instagram over the last couple of days.

1896
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Speaker 5: Asking people who voted for both her and.

1897
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump, because she had some split ticket and some

1898
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 7: shifts in her own district towards Donald Trump, why they

1899
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 7: saw her, why they would vote for both her and

1900
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 7: for Donald Trump. If you were talking to a voter

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01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 7: who you know, for example, would be someone maybe who

1902
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 7: voted for Donald Trump and would vote for you, what's

1903
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 7: your pitch to them, even, you know, talking about the

1904
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 7: cost of living crisis, something that is probably very serious

1905
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 7: for a lot of people who may have voted for

1906
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 7: Donald Trump, how are you having those conversations basically as a.

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01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 10: Populist, you know, I actually spent much of Sunday on

1908
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 10: Hillside Avenue in Queens and Fordham Road in the Bronx,

1909
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 10: which were two of the areas in New York City

1910
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 10: that swung most towards Trump, so even greater drop offs

1911
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 10: of voting overall. And when I spoke to voters about why,

1912
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 10: they told me it was cost of living, that they

1913
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 10: remember having more money in their pocket four years ago,

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01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 10: that they couldn't afford their groceries today, and it was

1915
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 10: despair over war and the genocide and Gaza, and a

1916
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 10: feeling that Donald Trump, as insidance here as we know

1917
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Speaker 10: this to be, was the only candidate speaking to them

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Speaker 10: about a desire for a more affordable life and bringing

1919
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 10: peace back to the world. And these are a lot

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Speaker 10: of the issues, namely the economy and the inability to

1921
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 10: afford the price points that dominate people's day to day lives.

1922
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 10: And so when I spoke to those voters and I

1923
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 10: asked them what would it take to bring you back

1924
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 10: to the Democratic Party, because many of them had previously

1925
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 10: been voting for Democrats, And they said, a focus on

1926
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 10: these very issues, and so I told them about my

1927
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 10: mayoral race and my opening promise to freeze the rent

1928
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 10: for every rent stabilized tenant, to make buses fast and

1929
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Speaker 10: free for the more than million New Yorkers who ride

1930
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Speaker 10: them every day, and to bring universal childcare into New

1931
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 10: yorkers lives, whether their child is six weeks of age

1932
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:18,560
Speaker 10: or five years, because these are the price points that

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01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 10: are pushing New Yorkers out of the city that they

1934
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 10: call home.

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Speaker 6: And so the movement that you've kind of come out

1936
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 6: of and been been a leader of is kind of

1937
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 6: an entanglement of a couple of different currents. On the

1938
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 6: one hand, it's the it's the Bernie Sanders, We're going

1939
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 6: to make sure that you know you can afford you know,

1940
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 6: your rent, your college, your growth groceries, you can make

1941
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 6: sure you can live a dignified life. And then there's

1942
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 6: the more the cultural elements of it, which became associated

1943
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 6: with a lot of it. Defund the police, abolish ice, and.

1944
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Speaker 7: On and on.

1945
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 6: When you talk to when you talk to voters, what

1946
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 6: where do they see kind of that that wing of

1947
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 6: the party coming from. Do they associate it more with

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01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 6: we're going to make people's material lives better or do

1949
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 6: they associate it more with the other elements that Fox

1950
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 6: News will talk about and Democratic Party leaders will kind

1951
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 6: of condemn.

1952
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Speaker 4: Whenever there's some type of electoral problems for them.

1953
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say that Bernie is probably the figure

1954
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 10: that loom's largest in voters' minds when thinking about the

1955
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 10: left wing of the party, and his response to Tuesday's

1956
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 10: election is one that has been found to be quite

1957
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 10: compelling to a lot of these very working class voters

1958
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 10: that I spoke to, which is a response that the

1959
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 10: Democratic Party left working class Americans a long time ago,

1960
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,719
Speaker 10: and now working class Americans are leaving the Democratic Party,

1961
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 10: and I think that it is an association with an

1962
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 10: inability to afford those day to day expenses. And you know,

1963
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,679
Speaker 10: I would also say that at the same time as

1964
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,799
Speaker 10: nearly half a million New Yorkers, fewer New Yorkers voted

1965
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 10: for Harris than had voted for Biden four years ago,

1966
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 10: we also saw the passage of Prop One, which was

1967
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 10: a proposal to enshrine reproductive rights and truly civil rights

1968
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 10: for all, including trans New Yorkers, pass it quite staggering

1969
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 10: margins across the state. And I think that this is

1970
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 10: also indicative of the past across the country which passed

1971
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 10: on issues that should be central to the Democratic Party,

1972
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 10: and yet voters trust referendums more than they trust Democrats.

1973
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 10: And it's time that we ask ourselves why is that

1974
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 10: the case? And how can we deliver on those actual issues?

1975
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 7: And in some sense, obviously the rumor candidate Andrew Cuomo

1976
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 7: is the perfect foil to this like left populism for

1977
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 7: all of the reasons. In the State Assembly obviously very

1978
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 7: familiar with the Cuomo legacy in Albany. So in what

1979
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 7: sense or how hard will it be should he enter

1980
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 7: the race to kind of get people's attention. Is it

1981
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 7: easier to get people's attention because he has so many

1982
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 7: obvious vulnerabilities politically, But he'll come in with a lot

1983
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 7: of you know, built in media institutional knowledge with media

1984
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 7: organizations and ability to sort of suckle out of oxygen

1985
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 7: out of the room for himself.

1986
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 5: What's the dynamic going to be like for you if

1987
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 5: that happens.

1988
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 10: I think Andrew Cuomo knows that the longer he's in

1989
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 10: this race, the more difficult it is for him. And

1990
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 10: that's why he's yet to announce his candidacy because He

1991
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 10: doesn't want to expose himself to four or five six

1992
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,679
Speaker 10: months of an actual inspection of his record. He wants

1993
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 10: to simply coast on the reputation that he used public

1994
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 10: dollars to burnish, a reputation he was more interested in

1995
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 10: than actually saving New Yorkers' lives at the height of COVID.

1996
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 10: And what I am excited by is the opportunity to

1997
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 10: tell New Yorkers why we are in the situation we

1998
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 10: are in when we're looking at a mental health crisis.

1999
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 10: Here is the former governor who shut down so much

2000
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 10: of what would have been helpful in this moment to

2001
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 10: respond to these very crises. Here is the governor that

2002
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 10: cut hospital beds. Here is the governor that took an

2003
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 10: ax to almost every single kind of public institution he

2004
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 10: could find to ensure that it was not worth of

2005
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 10: any funding in the future. And I think it's high

2006
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 10: time that he understands that accountability is a word that

2007
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 10: also applies to him.

2008
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 4: Do you expect him to run as a Democrat or

2009
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 4: as an independent? Like, what's what are as people are

2010
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 4: gaming this out? What's your path of democratic nomination? And

2011
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:21,560
Speaker 4: where do you Squomo fit into that?

2012
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 10: I expect him to run as a Democrat, though I

2013
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 10: wouldn't put anything past Andrew Cuomo because I think he's

2014
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 10: more interested in power than anything else. My path to

2015
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 10: the Democratic nomination is to speak to the working class

2016
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 10: of New York City. You know, I say this as

2017
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 10: a socialist. I say this as someone who's running an

2018
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 10: unabashedly progressive campaign. There are far more New Yorkers who

2019
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 10: feel left out by the economic policies of Mayor Eric

2020
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 10: Adams and Democratic leadership than there are that identify with

2021
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 10: any one political persuasion. And my goal is to go

2022
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 10: to every single one of the five boroughs on a

2023
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 10: regular basis and to speak to those New Yorkers about

2024
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 10: how we could actually make their lives better. Not speak

2025
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 10: to them about values or ideas, but speak to them

2026
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 10: about tangible, deliverable policies that we can enact from the

2027
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 10: very beginning of a mayoralty that will literally make their

2028
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 10: life more affordable.

2029
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 7: And how are you handling the crime question, because this

2030
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 7: is one of the Ryan kind of asked about this,

2031
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 7: but it's also you know, we've seen, like I've been

2032
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 7: talking to Rocanna a couple of times, we asked them

2033
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 7: about this. Actually on our show last week in California

2034
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 7: New York. Obviously New Yorkers have some, you know, concerns

2035
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 7: that are similar just in a material sense to what

2036
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 7: people in northern California Los Angeles have also been dealing

2037
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 7: with over the last couple of years. And a lot

2038
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 7: of people would point, you know, voters might say, well,

2039
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 7: this is downstream of the defund the police movement, et cetera,

2040
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 7: et cetera. But just in conversations that you're having across

2041
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 7: the burrows, you know, there's obviously room between defund the

2042
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 7: police and reforming the police and all of that. So

2043
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 7: where's your conversation going when when people bring those concerns

2044
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 7: to you.

2045
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 10: You know, most of the time they bring it to

2046
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,640
Speaker 10: me in the context of public transit. They feel the

2047
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 10: least safe when they're thinking about subways and buses and

2048
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 10: things of that nature. And I think it's important to

2049
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 10: identify that because that means that the solutions to that

2050
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 10: feeling have to lie within those very places. And one

2051
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 10: of the reasons that we have been fighting for free

2052
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 10: buses is I led and won the first New York

2053
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 10: City free bus pilot in last year's state budget, where

2054
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,600
Speaker 10: we made one bus free in each borough. And what

2055
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 10: we saw is that by making that bus route free,

2056
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 10: assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine percent.

2057
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 10: And these are the kinds of assaults that they are

2058
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 10: not just assaults on the driver, they are also assaults

2059
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 10: on the passenger sense of safety in that moment. And

2060
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 10: if you're able to fundamentally transform the experience of getting

2061
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 10: on the bus getting to where you're going, you feel

2062
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,560
Speaker 10: that much more safe. And I think additionally, one of

2063
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,599
Speaker 10: the reasons that many New Yorkers have identified feeling unsafe

2064
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 10: when they're taking the subway is the fact that the

2065
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 10: subway has become the de facto site of mental health

2066
01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 10: crises across New York City. And it's critical that we

2067
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 10: actually understand that and respond to it in those varied places.

2068
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 10: And what I mean by that is, at the same

2069
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 10: time as right now, where we have many vacant commercial

2070
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 10: units across the subway system, we could transform those vacant

2071
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 10: commercial units into mental health outreach centers. We could actually

2072
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 10: empower and create mental health responders so that the people

2073
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 10: that are responding to New Yorkers and crisis are not

2074
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 10: other New Yorkers or are not police officers, But are

2075
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,879
Speaker 10: people trained specifically for that episode?

2076
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 4: And what would that cause? What would that look like?

2077
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 4: How would you develop that program? So we're going to

2078
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:38,879
Speaker 4: be putting.

2079
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 10: Forward a proposals to create a new department, the Department

2080
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 10: of Community Safety, which would build on the successes we've

2081
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 10: seen in Philadelphia's Hub for Hope program in policies that

2082
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 10: even the BART system is implemented around mental health responsiveness.

2083
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 10: And the cost is something that I'm quite confident will

2084
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,839
Speaker 10: be within the costs we're already spending on police overtime,

2085
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 10: which nears about a billion every single year, or the

2086
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 10: Eric Adams proposal to spend two hundred and twenty five

2087
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 10: million dollars on creating a new cop city in Queens.

2088
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 10: This is all possible within the fiscal sense. It's just

2089
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 10: a question of if there's the political will.

2090
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 6: What about Rikers It's still open. It's a complete travesty

2091
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 6: and a disgrace. Why hasn't Riker's been closed yet? How

2092
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:27,719
Speaker 6: would you get it closed?

2093
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 10: I think it hasn't been closed because Eric Adams simply

2094
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,560
Speaker 10: has no interest in closing Roriker's Island. He has no

2095
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,600
Speaker 10: interest in taking any kind of action beyond that of

2096
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 10: impunity when it comes to corrections, when it comes to policing.

2097
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 10: I have been to Rikers Island many a time. One

2098
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 10: of the last times I went to Rikers Island and

2099
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,560
Speaker 10: incarcerated New Yorker tried to take their own life in

2100
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 10: front of a colleague of mine. That is the level

2101
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 10: of despair we are talking about on this island. And

2102
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 10: it is a legal requirement to close Rikers Island in

2103
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 10: the next mayoral term, but Eric Adams speaks about the

2104
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 10: law as if it's the suggestion. So what I would

2105
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 10: do is from the very first day, I would make

2106
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 10: sure that we are following policies that make that legal

2107
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 10: requirement a reality and that we actually close Rikers Island.

2108
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 10: And we do so by ensuring that we are keeping

2109
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 10: New Yorkers safe. And just to the question of cost

2110
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 10: that has come up, it costs around half a million

2111
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 10: dollars to have a New Yorkers have a New Yorker

2112
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 10: on Rikers Island, but we are only willing to spend

2113
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,639
Speaker 10: about fifty thousand dollars sometimes to house those very New Yorkers,

2114
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 10: which would keep them out of that kind of a place.

2115
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 10: I think we have to realign our priorities.

2116
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 6: One of the obstacles has seemed to be a neighborhood

2117
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 6: opposition to alternatives to Rikers, like how do you how

2118
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 6: do you overcome that?

2119
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 10: I think one of the key things is there are

2120
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 10: a lot of people that we are throwing away putting

2121
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 10: onto Rikers Island that are actually need not be in

2122
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 10: that kind of a facility. They need not even be

2123
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 10: in a borough based jail, frankly, And I think what

2124
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 10: we need to ask ourselves is when there is a

2125
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 10: woman who is selling cotton candy outside of a school

2126
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 10: without a license and the police put her in cuffs

2127
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 10: and then she's visited by Ice the next day, do

2128
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 10: you feel safer that she is in a cell? And

2129
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 10: I think that that's what's so offensive about Eric Adams's

2130
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 10: policies is they have nothing to do with sense. They

2131
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 10: only have to do with this sense of impunity on

2132
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:25,560
Speaker 10: a day to day basis, and it stems across multiple agencies.

2133
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 10: How we haven't been willing to create new solutions to

2134
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 10: problems that have continued through multiple mayor allities.

2135
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's wild what people are in Wrikers for sitting

2136
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,520
Speaker 6: there for a year, for having stolen like ten newspapers

2137
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 6: out of a box or like one guy, I know

2138
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 6: a sandwich, like just just complete in sandy anyway, or

2139
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 6: thank you so much for joining us. This is a

2140
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 6: race we'll be we'll be following pretty closely. It's gonna

2141
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 6: be interesting, no doubt.

2142
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me. It's such a pleasure.

2143
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. You've got it. That was Zorhan Mom,

2144
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 4: Donnie mayorl Canada.

2145
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 6: The thing that makes his race possible actually is matching

2146
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 6: funds in the New York City mayoral race, So he'll

2147
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 6: have he'll have the resources to get his name out

2148
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 6: even without having you know, gigantic billionaires or real estate

2149
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 6: developers or whoever else behind him.

2150
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 7: So although you interesting want to watch in a crowded

2151
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 7: race with matching funds, you could argue that it's a

2152
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 7: big advantage to Andrew Cuomo just because of name recognition.

2153
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 6: Oh for sure, to Andrew Cuomo. You know he's going

2154
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 6: to be in the mix. Man might come back, that's

2155
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 6: for sure.

2156
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:28,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's for sure.

2157
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,560
Speaker 7: Also reports from Jake Sherman over at punch Bowl that

2158
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 7: Telsa Gabbard's in the mix.

2159
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 4: For confirming our reporting here breaking points. So the slash

2160
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 4: counterpoints that.

2161
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 7: She's in the mix for Director of National Intelligence. Pretty

2162
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 7: obvious that that would be, since it's one of the

2163
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 7: big foreign policy vacancies and she's yet to have gotten

2164
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,719
Speaker 7: an appointment, that she's in the mix for that, although

2165
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 7: it won't you know, there's little she can do to

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Speaker 7: probably alleviate the trust questions that wi't linger, which means

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Speaker 7: if she is appointed to that position and she's not

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Speaker 7: fully trusted by Trump world.

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Speaker 5: That's a pretty interesting dynamic too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see gona be exciting.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'll be back here tomorrow replacing Sacer. We have

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Speaker 7: a girl show, so I don't know what we can

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Speaker 7: do to compete with the bro show, but we'll do

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Speaker 7: O bus.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll be I'm sure it'll be fun. No

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Speaker 4: Friday show this week, No.

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Speaker 5: Friday show this week. Okay, though, I think everyone's all right.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you next week. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.