1 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: And we welcome you into the dog Bowl in Maria. 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: It is episode six of the best podcast available. I'm 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs to the left of me Andrew Gribble. We 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: are back from Indianapolis. We've gotten our irrias, We've gotten 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: our tacos uh we we've gotten all our food in 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: long hours, long days. I somehow did not have one 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: piece of steak while I was in Indianapolis, which is 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: a commendable achievement on my part, knowing that the steak 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: options are plentiful and of course the world famous sat Almos. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I did have a shrimp cocktail and it was quite delightful. 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: So we've recovered. We're kind of recovered on My sleep 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: is still way off on everything. That's like a baby 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: last I feel that way, but then I like wake 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: up at four o'clock in the morning. I don't know 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: what's going on with that. But we made it home, 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: some of us driving home with one eye open for 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: the last hour of the trip. But we have made 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: it home. Nonetheless, the combine now in the rear view 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: mirror and one step closer to the two thousand twenty 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: NFL draft in Las Vegas April through the and Gribble, Uh, 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: quite the week in Indianapolis. And you know, we go 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: into the Combine every year and we say workouts aren't 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: going to matter, and it's about the interviews and and 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: it's about you know, the meetings and the fifteen minutes 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: and what they say in their press conferences. The workouts 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: were a big deal in Indianapolis last week. They were, 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: But I'll still stand by all the other stuff meaning 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot more, especially when it pertains to the Browns 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: and the number ten pick. I think they all, especially 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: at these offensive linemen, they all knew these guys were 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: really good. And this is the best class of offensive 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: tackles we've seen. Really, I can't even remember the last time, 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: maybe because the Brons haven't really been in the market 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: the way they are this year for it. But you've 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: had a rough last couple drafts and it's kind of 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: built up to this point where you're you've got a 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: loaded class of talented offensive tackles where in some years 38 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: a guy like a Josh Jones or Austin Jackson might 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: be your first tackle off the board, and those guys 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: might be fifth or six. So it's it's a it's 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: a great class and a lot of those guys were impressive. 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: There was really no bad moments for some of the 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: major offensive tackles, all of whom did pretty much, uh 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: everything you wanted them to do at the combine. There 45 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: was no forty or dash records broken, none of that stuff, 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: but but some good moments from a lot of the 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: players who have been linked to the Browns. The often 48 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: offensive tackle wise and the rare exceptions of the non 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: offensive tackles also had good moments, like in Isaiah Simmons 50 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: uh had a blazing forty time and just looked like 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: an athletic freaking uh. Jeff Acuda didn't have the best 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: forty time but also just looked so fluid going through 53 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: a lot of those drills, So it kind of verified 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: a lot of what you wanted to see. And all 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: the buzz surrounded the quarterbacks, which those guys really didn't 56 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: work out all that much. But the buzz surrounding a 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: guy like a Jordan's love is good news for the 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Browns in that you're hoping four quarterbacks are going before 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: you pick at number ten. Yeah, the more of the 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: merrier as long as the offensive line group keeps shuffling 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: down and moving down that that is nothing but a 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: positive for your Cleveland Browns, and it's it's obvious we've 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: we've almost had to get rid of the mock draft 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: segment on the best podcast available because everybody has us 65 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: taking an offensive lignement. There's no one differing. There's no 66 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver that sneaks in there. There's nothing else. There's 67 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: not a tight end, there's not a safety, a defensive back. 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Literally every mock draft is just an offensive alignment. The 69 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: mocks we put together that are gonna come out on 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns dot com. And I know that there's a 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: lot of buzz about Isaiah Simmons, and I think most 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: of them have him off the board by the time 73 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: the Browns pick at number ten. But part of me 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: just wonders, like he does not play the position that 75 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: is closest to the quarterback in terms of how you're 76 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: valuing position value to your team. You know, that's why 77 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: if this week of offensive tackle performance vaults a number 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: of these guys up there, that's when you wonder if 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, who's not going to be your traditional pass rusher, 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: who would be someone that gets close to the quarterback. 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: That's when you wonder could he slipped down to number ten. 82 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: Does does a guy like Jeff Okuda, who helps stop 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks as a quarterback, does he have more of a 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: chance of being a lock in the top ten then 85 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: a Simmons does if there is a run on offensive 86 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: tackles ahead of the Browns. So that's why I'm I'm 87 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: not saying it's a lock that those guys are gone 88 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: before the Browns peck. I think it's a high likelihood, 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: but there there's a lot to be figured out in 90 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: the next couple of months. Yeah, no question about it, 91 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: all right, stronger position from top to bottom. Now that 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: we're through the combine wide receiver or offensive lineman, I mean, 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: I think overall the wide receiver group is deep, and 94 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: I think that when we talked to Dane last week, 95 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: the thing he mentioned about how I think a lot 96 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna fall all is because they 97 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: keep You're going to keep thinking that you can get 98 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: this value in the later rounds. So I agree with him. 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: Where I'm I'm identifying that fourth round is maybe somewhere 100 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: the Browns go after a wide receiver. So I think 101 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: that's a deeper group. But I think the top end 102 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: talent in offensive lineman is is so much better and 103 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: more guaranteed to help your team right now than wide receivers. 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: I think that's why you're gonna see potentially five guys 105 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: go in the top fifteen. You're not gonna see five 106 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: wide receivers go on the top fifteen. You might see two, 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: you might see a run from fifteen to thirty, right, 108 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna see I think a lot of 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: teams are gonna wait to address that wide receiver position 110 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: into the second half of the first round, and then 111 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: Day two is where you'll see a lot of that. 112 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: Those guys go all right. Offensive linemen that stood out 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: to you at the draft, and there are some numbers. 114 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: The numbers are impressive for a lot of these guys, uh, 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: in terms of what they did and what they flashed, 116 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: what they said at their podiums, what they said in 117 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: their interviews. Is there an offensive lineman that stood out 118 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: to you? Yeah, I think a Tristan Worth, And I 119 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: think the number that stood out to me is obviously 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: he did the four point eight five second forty year dash. 121 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: That's really really good for an offensive lineman. But the 122 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: fact that he had a vertical leap of thirty six 123 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: and a half inches, which was a better vertical leap 124 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: than Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy. I mean that that 125 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: is just incredible to me, and it just shows the 126 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: athleticism he has. He's a former wrestler, has all that background. 127 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: He showed up and showed out at the combine. Now 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: you wonder, and this is where we'll get to in 129 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: the mock drafts, did he price himself out of the Browns? Like? 130 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: That's what That's the thing you've got to wonder is 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: when you look at the some of these teams ahead 132 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: of the Browns, are they going to value a Tristan 133 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: Worf's better than some of these other offensive tackles. Because 134 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: the thing I've noticed and a lot of the mock 135 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: drafts is that you've basically swapped the spots for Jeddrick 136 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: Wills from Alabama and Tristan Worfs. And that's all of 137 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're seeing so many more Jendrick Wills to 138 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: the Browns, then you're seeing Tristan Worfs the Browns. It was, 139 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: it was just kind of opposite. And Jendick Roles had 140 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: a very good combine. He just didn't do what tris so, 141 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: but I still think with the Browns, I think they're 142 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: gonna that those at those numbers check boxes and verifies 143 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: what you've probably seen on tape. But to me, it's 144 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: all going to come down to fit. It's all gonna 145 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: come down to interviews, and I think that's that's what's 146 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: gonna matter for all these teams taking these taxs. Alright, 147 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: thoughts on the new combine format, the workouts being moved 148 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: to prime time brutally early mornings, at the podium at 149 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: eight am, and the podium essentially being done by ten 150 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning and then nothing till four o'clock. Uh, 151 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the new format good, bad, and different? 152 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: I mean, first off, no one outside of US cares 153 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: about when the media time is. I think that's just 154 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: that's just that's a that's an inside baseball problem for us. 155 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: So I think that's just gonna be fine. I actually 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: liked it. I liked getting stuff out of the way. 157 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember how things used to be. Uh 158 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: back when they had it at Lucas Oil, You'd be 159 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: in a room from ten to five and had no 160 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: idea when anyone was coming in. Uh, and you just 161 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: had to wait and a lot of the times the 162 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: guys you wanted just never made Uh. So they've they've 163 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: got it now down to a well oiled machine where 164 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: those guys are at the podium when they say they're 165 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: going to be. So they've fixed that end of it, 166 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: which again fans don't care about. For guys like us, 167 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: that makes a world of difference. I mean I don't. 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: It'll just be interesting. I think once you take the 169 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: toothpaste out of the tube with moving workouts to prime time, 170 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: you feel like it's going to stick there. Based on 171 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: the ratings, I saw it did it did all right. 172 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: But I saw that this past weekend XFL got more 173 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: people watching their product than people were watching the Combine. 174 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: I think that in the in years where maybe you 175 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: have a little bit more star power, this might not 176 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: have been the best year to try it out because 177 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: they're just weren't a ton of stars. Your your projected 178 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: top two picks in the draft, Joe Burrow and Chase 179 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: Young didn't do anything. Uh. There really wasn't any quarterback 180 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: that did much of anything at the combine. So I 181 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: think in years where you have more of a traditional 182 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: group of stars, that actually go through these drills, then 183 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: it'll do better. I just think once you did this 184 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: and there wasn't a riot, that you're probably just gonna 185 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,359 Speaker 1: keep sticking with this. The numbers were huge on Thursday, 186 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: but that's your quarterbacks, that's your wide receivers, everything else 187 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: that it kind of came back to earth on Friday 188 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: and Saturday. Sunday's numbers were okay and it kind of 189 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: brought the overall number back up. But some agents talking 190 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: about and we talked a little bit about this last 191 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: week on the b p A where agents were saying, well, 192 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: because of this change, you know, guys like routine NFL players, 193 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: like routine college football players. This isn't a routine. It 194 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: throws my guy out, so that's why I'm not working 195 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: him out. Should there be some kind of if you're 196 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: not gonna work out at the combine, then maybe you 197 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: don't get invited the combine. I've seen a couple articles 198 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: about that, some maybe silly season type stuff as we 199 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: try to fill till free agency starts here in a 200 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But what what do you make of that? 201 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Should there be some kind of stipulation that if you're 202 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: coming to the combine you have to work out. Yeah, 203 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I think that there's got 204 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: to be a happy medium there because I think if 205 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: you start going down that path and you're gonna it's 206 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: almost like similar to the NBA's load management discussion, where 207 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: you basically have to come up with an injury that 208 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: you can still validate while you're guys sitting out. So 209 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: I I don't I don't necessarily agree in forcing a 210 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: guy to participate because there are people like a Joe 211 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Burrow who his season went long, and then when you're 212 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: on that that when you win the national championship, then 213 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: the next basically next week and a half after that 214 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: national championship, you're doing stuff in regards to that and 215 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: not focusing on your on working out, whereas someone a 216 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: guy who played for a team that didn't make a 217 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: bowl game, they've been doing this since early December. I mean, 218 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: I think there's a decided difference in situations where I 219 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: think some guys just aren't ready. And I think that 220 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: if you run, say if you're not ready to run 221 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: the forty and you embarrass yourself, I think that that's 222 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: it's and you could have avoided that, then you should 223 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: have the right to avoid that. So I wouldn't. I 224 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't go down the path of forcing these guys to 225 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: work out. Maybe add an incentive, I would add, I 226 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: would add an incentive if you work out, rather than 227 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: punishing for not working. If that makes sense, all right. 228 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: The other big note from the NFL combine, and it 229 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the draft class, but the 230 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: prevailing thought is Tom Brady is essentially holding the NFL 231 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: hostage until he makes his decision on what he's going 232 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, everybody you talked to, you just said, 233 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: all the chips are gonna fall, and that will for 234 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the free agents, for the free agent quarterbacks, 235 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: and that will also determine where the dominos fall in 236 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: terms of the draft and who takes quarterbacks and how 237 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: many quarterbacks go on the top ten. Tom Brady is 238 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: the key really to the entire NFL offseason. Yeah, the 239 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: one that would interest me most outside of I still 240 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: think he goes back to the Patriots. I just I 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: just can't get into the belief that he's gonna play 242 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: somewhere else. But if he did go to the Titans, like, 243 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: what does that mean for Ryan Tannel? Like he obviously 244 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: had a very good season last year, But would you 245 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: feel great if you were any other team and you 246 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: just give like a Nick Foles contract to Ryan Tannehill, 247 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: which is probably what it would take. I mean I 248 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: would I would wonder like I feel like Ryan Tannehill 249 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: needs the Titans as much as the Titans need him, 250 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: and I think so that's where the weird chain reaction goes, like, 251 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't you feel better as a team, Like if you're 252 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: the Chargers, wouldn't you feel better about drafting a quarterback 253 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: and just starting fresh as opposed to bringing in someone 254 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: like Ryan Daniell. So there's that is why that Brady 255 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: going anywhere, but New England would have the Jainier actually 256 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of the silly stuff with do the 257 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: do the forty Niners make a move for him? With 258 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Garoppolo, I mean, that would be kind of 259 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: wacky considering Garoppolo got them all the way the Super 260 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: Bowl and he's just what fifteen years younger than Tom Brady. 261 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: There's just there's just a lot a lot moving around 262 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: with that. But I'm interested. It goes beyond Brady to me, 263 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: because like, who signs Philip Rivers. Who signs Jamis Winston Bucks? 264 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Let him walk? Now the Bucks a team that is 265 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: going to try to move up and get a quarterback 266 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: if they don't bring Jamis Winston. There there is a 267 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: lot too to fold at that quarterback position, because it's 268 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: just you've got a cluster of quarterbacks or either past 269 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: their prime or just kind of in that murky mediocrity. 270 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: Like what happens? Does Andy Dalton get traded traders signed 271 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: to a team that makes him a starter or makes 272 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: him a competitive backup to someone like a mixture Bisky. 273 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a lot going on there. It'll 274 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: be interesting to see. The Browns are just not involved. 275 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: They're just kind of sitting on the sidelines of this one. 276 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: Well and good, yeah that that's not necessarily a bad 277 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: thing yet, but it is amazing to me. You know, 278 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: everybody says, well, this could impact the draft and quarterbacks, 279 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: and it's going to impact the guys that are free 280 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: agent quarterbacks. Like if you're Marcus Mariota, what what's going 281 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: on in your mind? Camp wise? I mean, do you 282 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: are you going to get a backup contract? Doesn't I 283 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: can't see anyone signing him to be the guarantee. That's 284 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, all of a sudden in a in 285 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: a normal year, if Marcus Mariota was the free agentcy 286 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: free agent, him and Jamis were the only two free 287 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: agent quarterbacks, there'd be a market, someone would overpay him. 288 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: Now you're not, I mean you're you're the fifth or 289 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: sixth option. And that doesn't count the guys that are 290 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: coming out in the draft. I mean you are. You're 291 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: a borderline, yeah, second string at best. Well, look at 292 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: a guy like case Keenum, two years removed from taking 293 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: the Vikings to the NFC Championship Game, and now he's 294 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: almost a lock to be a backup somewhere. Like there's 295 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: no one bringing him into even compete for first starting job. 296 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just he got he just recently signed 297 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: a big deal, signed that big deal with the Broncos, 298 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: and then moved on to the Redskins. I mean, it's 299 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: just it's a crazy business. And this is you don't 300 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: usually you don't have years like this with quarterbacks. And 301 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: and this is after Drew Brees settled things up with 302 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: the Saints, he was available for a little bit, are 303 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: potentially available, so I mean, we'll see. I I just 304 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: think that this stuff can only positively affect the Browns. 305 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: And if the Browns are in the market for a 306 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: veteran backup quarterback, you're getting a guy that's probably more 307 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: qualified than you would have gotten in most other years. 308 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: I think you're you're gonna get potentially we've seen the 309 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: reports of Chase Daniels case Keenum. Those are two really 310 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: good backup quarterbacks that you could bring into your building. Yeah, 311 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: all right. The other NFL news and it could impact 312 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: the draft, and that's why I have it in today's 313 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: rundown is the Jacksonville Jaguars making a trade, sending one 314 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: of their top defensive backs to the Broncos in exchange 315 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: for a round draft pick. Adam Schefter the first to 316 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: report it. Obviously, it's not official until March eighteenth, when 317 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: the NFL year officially begins, but Jacksonville's picking right in 318 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: front of the Browns and they've unloaded some defensive players. 319 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: They have gotten rid of a lot of guys. Leonard 320 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: Fournett's tweet from earlier this week, the whole Will Smith 321 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: looking around the empty living room is you know, the 322 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: whole cast and crew from an a f C championship 323 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: run just a couple of years ago. Uh is virtually gone, 324 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: and you have guys that are saying, I'm not gonna 325 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: play even if you franchise tag me up. Jacksonville not 326 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: a good situation. He's the one that's kind of he 327 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: doesn't want to stick around Jacksonvillo very much longer beyond 328 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: this season. It sounds like I would think, if you 329 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: take a look at this, Jacksonville's gotta go defense. But 330 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: could they surprise and go offensive life we never know 331 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: what Jacksonville is gonna do, and they're the one wild card. 332 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: I think that's right in front of you now and 333 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: ins interesting because I think Jacksonville has done, like in 334 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: the draft, a decent job of even though they've had 335 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: a strong defense, they've kind of stuck with like the 336 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: best player available mindset and added to their defense. And 337 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: I think that that's probably a good thing. But now 338 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: they're in a position where they're they're kind of a 339 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: mess at quarterback. They've always been a mess at at 340 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver. They just it's just one of the things, 341 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: and they could use another offensive line and they could 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: use a lot of things. Uh So I watched for them. 343 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: They're they're a wild card with what could they could 344 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: potentially pick. Are they looking to trade back? Are they 345 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: are they trying to, uh, you know, just load up 346 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: on assets and start rebuilding for the Browns. The team 347 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: that worries me a little bit for the Browns is 348 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: the Jets that they're behind the Browns similar similar need 349 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: at offensive tackle. That's the I worry about leap frogging 350 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: a team like the Browns. Another wild card that's ahead 351 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: of the Browns as well is the Carolina Panthers, who 352 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: have made Trey Turner, one of their best offensive lineman 353 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: available in trade. That signals that they are totally rebuilding 354 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: this season. Are they someone that could trade back and 355 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: have someone vault up and get an offensive linement Because 356 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: they're one of those teams ahead of the Browns that 357 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: have not been linked offensive linement, They've been linked to 358 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: lots of defensive tackles. So that's for the Browns, it's 359 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: it's none of them. Very few of us would expect 360 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: the Browns to make a move up in the draft 361 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: short knowing the background of Andrew Burry and this front office. 362 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: But you could be at risk of losing a guy 363 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: you want, not because of the teams ahead of you, 364 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: but because of the teams that trade up ahead of you, 365 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: thinking that you were going to be in a great 366 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: position to get at worst the fourth best offensive tackle 367 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: on the board comes into question depending if what the 368 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: Jets do, what Carolina does. Cardinals, the Cardinals had no 369 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: idea what with Kingsbury. Who knows. So something to watch 370 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: here in the coming weeks. But teams starting to position themselves. 371 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville now with ten picks in the first 372 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: five rounds, six rounds something like that, a lot of 373 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: draft picks, including two ones and two four. So Jacksonville 374 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: has positioned themselves. Well, we know what Miami has done. 375 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: We know what they're capable of doing in terms of 376 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: going out and going out and getting draft picks as well. 377 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: Something to watch, something to pay attention to. Time now 378 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: for our spotlights and our draft expert spotlight this week 379 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: features Ryan Wilson, the draft analyst for CBS Sports and 380 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: CBS sports dot Com. He was kind enough to give 381 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: us a few minutes of his time. He's got a 382 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: new mock draft out just off of the NFL combine. 383 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Will get his reaction to the combine, the offensive lineman, 384 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: all that and more. Have a listen, my question to 385 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: you to kick things off, your your biggest takeaway from 386 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: a very a very busy week in Indianapolis. Yeah, I 387 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: don't even know. It's starts with the quarterback. Joe Burrow 388 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: didn't throw, and that's no real surprise. We don't know 389 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: anything more about two because we're still waiting to find 390 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: out the medical reports on his hip and and if 391 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: and win he'll throw. In April. Um, Jalen Hurts actually 392 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: ran a good forty times, So I think that that 393 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: was good news for Himmering at four or five nine 394 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: in terms of his idea to to be a quarterback 395 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: in the next level. That's what he wants to do. 396 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: But I think that's fast forty time puts him in 397 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: the conversation to be maybe a Taysom Hill type player 398 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: early on in his career as he grows into that 399 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: quarterback role. Um. And again we saw Justin Herbert throw 400 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: and Jordan Love throwing, Jacobetson throw and and sort of 401 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: no real huge takeaways from the fact that they can 402 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: still throw football over hand. So that said, my my 403 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: big takeaway probably starts on defense, and it starts with 404 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. There was six four almost two forty pounds 405 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: and ran a four three nine and I think he 406 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: jumped out of the gym maybe clost and he just 407 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: reconfirmed in Indianapolis a lot of what we saw a 408 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: weekend and week out um during the season at Clemson 409 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: where he played linebacker, slot corn or edge rusher, safety, 410 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: and he did all those things that are pretty high level. 411 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: And I think he may have gone from a top 412 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: ten pick two maybe into the top seven, top five 413 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: conversation um depending on who trades up for quarterbacks and 414 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: that type of that that conversation we'll always have. But 415 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 1: he was he was outstanding, and he's a guy that 416 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: if he went number three to the lines, it wouldn't 417 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: surprise me. Have done what feels like millions of mont 418 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: rafts and typically have either Derek Brown that even the 419 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: tackle at Auburn or Jeff apoot to the cornerback out 420 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: of Ohio State going number three to to Detroit assuming 421 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: they stay put. But look, if you have one year 422 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: left basically to prove yourself, as as head coach Matt 423 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: Patricia apparently does. Instead of getting one guy, he's really 424 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: really good, When I get one guy who can play 425 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: four positions and it's really really good, and I think 426 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: that would go a long way and helping that defense 427 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: get back on track in Detroit. But but for me, 428 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: the singular takeaway, if he had had to get it 429 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: from me, was the show that Isaiah Simmons put on 430 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: in spite of knowing we we knew he was going 431 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: to run well, and he still blew everyone away. Now, 432 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: was Simmons one of the guys that you moved up 433 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: from the most of any of the players from from 434 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: the last mock draft to after the comment or who 435 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: were some of your biggest gainers and who were some 436 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: of the guys that fell the most? Yeah, he was, 437 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: And part of the look I do one every week, 438 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: So part of this is just trying to mix things up. 439 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: And um, maybe it was an overreaction to have him 440 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: go from tan or nine or eight all the way 441 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: up to number three, which is what I did, But 442 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: I also think he's that good of a player. Another 443 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: player that had a really good combine was Tristan worst 444 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: Off to tackle and Iowa. He ran four eight five 445 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: I believe, and he jumped higher than Drey Hopkins did 446 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: back at his pro day. So if you're looking for 447 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: an athletic office to tackle, and that's exactly what it 448 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: looked like when you watched TWI Tristal works play. He 449 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: could be your guy. He can played writer left tackle. 450 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: I had him going all the way up to number four. Um, 451 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: I had Jeffrey Cood. Excuse me, Jordan's Love moving up 452 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: a little bit. But that's more to do with the 453 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: fact that I don't know if teams are gonna love 454 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert Um long term athletically he's there. I think 455 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: Jordan Love endured more in terms of dealing with adversity 456 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: at Utah State and Justin Herbert had to, and maybe 457 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: that serves him well long term. In terms of the 458 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: guy that fell A. J. Ponessa out of Iowa Church 459 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: of worst teammate who plays defensive end is six five 460 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: to seventy five is what he was. What he weighed 461 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: in that and he ran over five seconds in the 462 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: forty and the only bench press seventeen. When you watch 463 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: him play, he plays much stronger than someone who benches seventeen. Uh. 464 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: But um, we talked to him last week at the combine. 465 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: He said, I compare myself. I patted my game after J. J. 466 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: Watt and he said, look, I am not jat understand that, 467 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: but that's this size. That's who I want to be. 468 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: But J J. Watt ran a four eight three I think, 469 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: and he put up the two to thirty times I 470 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: feel like, so there's some disparity there and Epinessa knows 471 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: who will have to get stronger, but he'll need to 472 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: improve it his pro day. He's probably low first round 473 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: guy for me after the before the combine, and now 474 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: he's probably a second round guy for me. That's not terrible, 475 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: but if he hadvolved out at the combine, he would 476 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: have probably moved into the middle of round one. No One. 477 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: It concerns the Browns. You had a guy like you 478 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: just mentioned Tristan Worths move all the way up to 479 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: to number four. Do you do you do you wonder 480 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: if his combine performance maybe priced himself out of being 481 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: available for the Browns at number ten or or do 482 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: you think it might come back to kind of the 483 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: fit with all these guys with these teams that need 484 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: offensive tackles. Well, the great thing for the Browns is 485 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: there are five guys who could go in the first 486 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: round at offensive tackle, and one of them will definitely 487 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: be there when the Browns on the clock at ten. 488 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: So whether it's Andrew Thomas, Georgia, Jedrick Wills out of 489 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: Alabama who played primarily right tackle, Thomas can play right 490 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: or left. I met you, Worps, you can play right 491 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: or left. There's um Josh Jones out of Houston who 492 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: is insanely athletic. He played primarily left tackle. And there's 493 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: a name and forgetting him. I've gone over these guys 494 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: so many times. Who als We've got Andrew Thomas, Josh Jones, 495 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: and Austin Jackson out of the USC is also a 496 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: really athletic left tackle who need to grow into that role. 497 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: But that said, he's going to be uh probably really 498 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: good in a year or two. So that there will 499 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: be guys on the table there. And again we talked 500 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: about these quarterbacks teams trading for the quarterback teams wanting 501 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: players like Isaiah Simmons that will help push these offensive 502 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: tackles down. That said, I would imagine the Browns would 503 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: not be unhappy if Asaia Simmons happened to be there 504 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: at ten or Jeffrey couta um penzil Wards former team 505 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: and happened to be there ten. I think ten is 506 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: actually really good spot. You're gonna get a fantastic player, 507 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: even someone like Derek Brown at deep tackle. I mentioned, um, 508 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: so I think the good news for the Browns you 509 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: want to call it, that that ball the needs they have, 510 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: they will almost certainly fill that need at number ten 511 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: with with who whomever they land in the first round. 512 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Can you remember and we're talking with Ryan Wilson. You 513 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: can follow him on Twitter at Ryan Wilson CBS CBS 514 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: Sports Draft analyst and NFL analysts as well. Can you 515 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: were when was the last time an offensive tackle class 516 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: was this deep that we're that we're talking about three 517 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: and maybe even four tackles going in the top twelve. Yeah, 518 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: Mickey beck McKay Beckson is the other guy I mentioned somehow. 519 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: He's the biggest person on the plane at six seven 520 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: to sixty three sixty four. He ran a five one 521 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: and he has seventeen percent body fat and he is 522 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: an absolute monster. He can just ragged all guys. So 523 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: somehow overlooked him, but he is the fifth one that 524 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: we talked about. But yeah, this class is so deep 525 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think back the last time because 526 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: typically what happens is team's panics for offensive or defensive lineman, 527 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: and they move up to get these guys who saw 528 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: it last year with the Falcons, and sometimes it works 529 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: out and sometimes it doesn't. But this is the situation 530 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: where you can just stay in pat and you're gonna 531 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: get someone. If you're the top twenty top picks, there's 532 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: no reason to panic. And um, I can't recall off 533 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: top of my head, the last time we've had a 534 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: class is deep. Interestingly, the wide receiver class is maybe 535 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: deeper this year than the offensive line class, and deeper 536 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: much certainly than the twenty four teen class that what 537 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: started with Odell Beckham and Sammy Watkins and went on 538 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: and down the line in that in that teen group. 539 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: But these are definitely two of the strongest positions. So 540 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: if you're looking for either officsive lineman, wide receivers are both. Uh, 541 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: you picked a great time to to to have those 542 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: knees going into what's your opinion on kind of the 543 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: safety class and the ass rusher group, especially when it 544 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: pertains to to what might be available early on Day two. 545 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: Are there some guys that could maybe slip into a 546 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: spot where the Browns could could address those positions early 547 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: on Day two. Neither classes particularly deep, but the Browns 548 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: pick at ten and they pick again at forty one. 549 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: You can get a pass rusher at forty one. You 550 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: can get a safety at forty one. Something like Josh 551 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: Uch the edge rusher out of out of Michigan, could 552 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: be available forty one. He's two forties. You may have 553 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: to put on some weight um, but he's extremely athletic. 554 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: Jabaris Niga another pass rusher. He's a little heavier to 555 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: sixty and change. I think he ran really well to 556 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: combine battle injuries last year for Florida. But when he's healthy, 557 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: he's a guy to be reckoned with. In terms of 558 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: the safeties, we saw Kyle Dugger and Jeremy Chin, two 559 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: small school guys. Uh Dugger went to Leonois Rhine, which 560 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: is in Hickory, North Carolina, at D two school, and 561 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: then Chin went to UH Southern Illinois and FCS school. 562 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: They both bawled out, and Chin actually bawled out more 563 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: at the combine. In terms of his measurables, you're in 564 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: a four for one. I be a big a round 565 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: of four five, but they're both in that six one, 566 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: six to two fifteen twenty five range. They can play safety, 567 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: they can um, they can move up and play linebackers, 568 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: they can cover tight ends out of the slot. But 569 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: someone that could be available at forty one is a 570 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: big school guy in Grant delpit Um at a l 571 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: s U. Coming into the season, he was the number 572 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: one safety UM. So it depends on how you feel 573 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: like Isaiah Simmons as a safety linebacker. But I feel 574 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: like Xavier McKinney out of Alabama has to pass him 575 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: in terms of consistency and versatility. And the big issue 576 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: with delpe It last year was that he just was 577 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 1: terrible at tackling people. And part of that was an 578 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: ankle injury. And he talked to us about that last 579 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: week at the Combine, how he didn't run this uh 580 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: in the nd because his ankle. UH. He's still getting 581 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: over that. He wants to run his pro day. UM 582 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: great center fielder, not a great tackler. So you have 583 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: to sort of pick and choose what you want. But 584 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: I feel like there'll be a lot of good talent 585 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: at forty one for the Browns to address those needs 586 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: if they go offensive line in Round one. Are there 587 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: any teams that you see that the Browns might have 588 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: to about at number time when it comes to maybe 589 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: trading ahead of them to get some guys that the team. 590 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: I've mentioned a lot of the Jets because they have 591 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: similar needs and there are the teams you look at 592 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: them might have an incentive to move out of that 593 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: top ten. I think Detroit would be wise to move 594 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: down from three. They need a lot of players quickly 595 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: to save a maptressy job. As I mentioned, it'll be 596 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: interesting to see what the Redskins do a number two. 597 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: I don't think they're taking to other I think that 598 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: conversation seems a bit far faster even for Washington, but 599 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: they could trade down to two again, stockpile picks and 600 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: pass up obviously on on Chase Young, who would probably 601 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: go from earlier than whenever the Giants at number four. 602 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman doesn't like to trade down, but again it 603 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: would make sense for them to trade down. And I 604 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: think the only people only players teams would trade up 605 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: for would be a quarterback, which is good news again 606 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: for the Browns. You mentioned the Jets and number eleven 607 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: could pick right behind them. The word in the streets 608 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: that they're going to sign a lot of guys in 609 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: free agency for officsive line, So that could be good 610 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: news for the Browns in terms of having to worry 611 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: about that, and maybe they'll focus on a wide receiver 612 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: for example at number eleven, whether Ceedee Lamb or or 613 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: Jerry Juice. Here Henry Ruggs, I actually think that the 614 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: Brows are in pretty good shape. They're going to get 615 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: a really good player. Um if they stand pat. I 616 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: don't think they need to trade up and worry about 617 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: giving up draft picks to to move up one or 618 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: two spots to get their guy, unless they're polly in 619 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: love with the Trystan Worth or Jeddrick Wells. I would 620 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: stay put because again, you could see Jeffrey Couda fall, 621 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: you could see Isaiah Simmons Paul depending on what happens 622 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: with these runs on quarterbacks. So I think they're in 623 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: good shape, especially if the Jets target these offensive linemen 624 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: like they're reportedly interested in doing in free agency. One 625 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: while cart and he's somewhat in our backyard down at Dayton, 626 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: and it's been a long time since we've talked about 627 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: a football player coming out from Dayton, but Adam Trout 628 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: and the tight end with a with a nice week 629 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, continuing to build upon his offseason in preparation 630 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: for the NFL combine. Where do you see a guy 631 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: like him going and and a pretty valuable guy? Is 632 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: he now one of the top two tight ends in 633 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: this NFL draft? He's in the conversation. It's not a 634 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: super um deep tight end class. Culpm At probably is 635 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: at the top of the list. But you could argue 636 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: that Troutman's up there, that Harrison Bryant, the kid at 637 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: the f AU was up there. Hunter bryan out of 638 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: Washington as well. He didn't run, He put on some 639 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: weight and didn't run as well as people I hoped. 640 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: And I think he ran in four seven four. I 641 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: think Traveling ran a four seven and change. But look man, 642 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: that's fine for a tight end. And Trautman did so 643 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: many good things at Dayton. But and I talked about this, 644 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: I said, look um, and last week I said, you 645 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: went to Dayton. Obviously you were dominating the FCS talent, 646 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: but you showed up at the senior ball and you 647 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: didn't seem worried at all. He blocked his butt off. 648 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: He played really well and in the practices in terms 649 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: of running rounds, and he said, I just wanted to 650 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: prove to people that I can play at this level, 651 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: and he did that. I'm not so much worried about 652 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: his four seven time. I think he's probably a third 653 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: round pick. He could even go as highest second round 654 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: so that the Browns were interested in him. At seventy four, 655 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: there's a really good chance he's gonna be there. I 656 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: don't expect there to be a running tight ends because 657 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: this class, like I said, isn't all that deep, but 658 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: you can't get players that do things really well. Trautman 659 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: has some things to learn, obviously, has to get a 660 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: little better as a pass parker, and he will admit that. 661 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: But there's no sort of Noah's Fan or t J 662 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: Hockinson in this group. But that doesn't mean they're not 663 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: gonna turn to be really good players. Travis Kelsey was 664 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: in the first round pick either. I think he may 665 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: have run in the four sixes. But we've had on 666 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: tight ends run four sevens who have been really good pros. 667 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: I think zach Ertz wasn't particularly fast, I recalled correctly, 668 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: and I think he's turned out okay. But I think 669 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: third round picks sounds about right. For Troutman and he 670 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: could be there for Cleveland. Ryan, we appreciate the time. 671 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at Ryan Wilson, CBS, 672 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: CBS Sports, NFL Draft analysts and NFL analysts appreciate the time. 673 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: Continued success, and we look forward to reading you a 674 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: lot more here as we get closer to the NFL Draft. 675 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the time, Ryan, Thank you, Yes, 676 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: thanks again to Ryan Wilson from CBS Sports. Appreciate a 677 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: few minutes of his time on a on a busy 678 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: week recap being the NFL combine. Uh, some interesting notes 679 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: and you know, fall in your line though at the 680 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: same time with it's a very deep draft, especially if 681 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: you want an offensive lineman, especially if you want a 682 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, you know it's and I think that 683 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: it's it's just gonna be so interesting to me. How 684 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: I just don't know if we know which teams like 685 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: which tackle because I think they're all really good. And 686 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: I think that's why it's there's not a clear cut 687 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna go first overall. Like for him, he 688 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: had McKay Beckton as his third offensive tackle board. A 689 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: lot more people have him as their number one. I 690 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: think you can find a mock draft with all three 691 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: of these guys worthsh Beckton, and Wills as their first 692 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: tackle off the board. The only one that isn't seemed 693 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: to be in that mix is Andrew Thomas, but he's 694 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: still a consensus top fifteen guys. So that all these 695 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: guys are are. What I like about them is they 696 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: are all really really good. They're all really young, and 697 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: they've all already that somehow, I've all already proven the 698 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: ability to help you on either side of the offensive line, 699 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: which is where the Browns have needs at both those spots. 700 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: All right, Time to get into our Combine awards. Uh, 701 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: a little having a little fun here in episode six 702 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: of the Best podcast available, give me your two players 703 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: who helped themselves the most? Hanging into the draft in 704 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: Indianapolis last week. Well, I think it's just by default. 705 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: I think a guy like Tristan Worth's helped himself the most. 706 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: I think that he has as some people have described, 707 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: I feel like number ten with the Browns is now 708 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: his floor. I think that that he's maybe escaped potentially 709 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: slipping out of the top ten. I think there were 710 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: maybe some doubts about him, the fact that he played 711 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: right tackles his last couple of years at Iowa. But 712 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: I think he has solidified that spot in the drafts 713 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: where he well, the ten is probably where he's going 714 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: to bottom out. And I think that's a that's a 715 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: victory for him. And I think, honestly my second big 716 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: winner would be an Isaiah Simmons. I mean, he's just 717 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: really really good and he's a freak athlete. I think 718 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: people you very five those times you look good, and 719 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: you give teams a lot to think about when it 720 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: comes to that top part of the draft. And if 721 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: now you don't see an off ball, a guy like 722 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: him go number three overall. But now that's something a 723 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: team like the Detroit Lions really have to think about. 724 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: At the number three I thought Antoine Winfield Jr. Uh 725 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: did fairly well for himself at a at a position 726 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't have a lot of It doesn't have a 727 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: lot of guys, it's not very deep in this NFL draft. 728 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: I thought he turned some heads a little bit. Uh, 729 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: you heard me ask trout asked Wilson about Troutman the 730 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: tight end out of dating. I think he's helped himself 731 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: a little bit Ceedee Lamb can you make a case 732 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: for him being the number one wide receiver off the 733 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: board at some point. Yeah, I think so. I mean, 734 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: I think there's enough concerns a little bit with with 735 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: with I think you're it's it's gonna come down to 736 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: preference because I think him and Jerry Judy are both 737 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: really really good. Tee Higgins from Colemsion is also really good, 738 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: and I think it's one of those where again, there's 739 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: only a few positions where there's like a lot as 740 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: the top gulf board, like Joe Burrow is going to 741 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: be the first quarterback off the board. Running back, it 742 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: looks like a guy like a J. K. Dobbins, whenever 743 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: they pick a running back, he's going to be your 744 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: first guy off the board. Uh, but not swift. Yeah, 745 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: I think I like the Dobbins. There's no there's no 746 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: real leaders at a lot of these positions, and I 747 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: think wide receiver is the same way. It's gonna come 748 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: down to how these guys interview, how they see them 749 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: fit within their offense. So sure, I can make a 750 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: case for Ceedee Lamb all day. I mean I think 751 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: that a lot of teams, he had a really good 752 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: combine performance, made a lot of great catches. Uh. So yeah, 753 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty easy case for for him 754 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: to be the top one, all right, who came into 755 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: this combine with a lot to prove and just knocked 756 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: it out of the park. So I'm gonna it's kind 757 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: of an off the radar name at offensive tackle. But 758 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: he's someone that I don't even think the Browns could 759 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: wait to get in the second round at this point. 760 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: And that's Ezra Cleveland, the offensive tackle for for Boise State. 761 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he just he did great in all these 762 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: every single one of these drills, especially the three cone trill. 763 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: He had the best of any offensive tackle. I mean 764 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: he moved really really well. And he's not someone you 765 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: really heard about much before this, but now he's kind 766 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: of worked himself into that late first round conversation and 767 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: just another guy to potentially consider, and he would be 768 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: say you don't take an off into tackle number ten. 769 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: He is basically in the running for you in the 770 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: second round or if you make a move up late 771 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: in the first round to go get an offense tacle. 772 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: He's someone that proved a lot, uh and really stood out. 773 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: We had Jordan read On from the Draft Network the 774 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: other day draft analyst to get his thoughts. He's a 775 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: former player, former college recruiter and whatnot, and uh, he 776 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: really Ezra Cleveland really has stood out to him. He's 777 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: done some nice tape work on Ezra Cleveland on his 778 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: Twitter handle as well. He's a huge fan of Mr Cleveland. 779 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: The guy that I put down and the first one 780 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: that came to mind didn't even work out at the combine. 781 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: It was Joe Burrow. We wanted to hear from Joe Burrow. 782 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: There was all this talk. Does Joe Burrow really not 783 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: want to go to Cincinnati? Does he not? He killed 784 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: it in his press conference and I heard the meetings 785 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 1: that he did take. He wowed him. And again the kid, 786 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: the kid continues to just impress. You know. There were 787 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: some questions and maybe you attribute it to silly season, 788 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, does he really want to be a bangle? 789 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: Does he want to? He answered all the questions. Yeah, 790 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: he's fine. He's gonna be fine. It's not a big deal. 791 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: He's gonna go to since Nati. Now, since Nanny's got 792 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: to put some things around him, and supposedly they're going 793 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: to be active in free agency and that may also 794 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: include franchise tagging a j Green. But they've got to 795 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: convinced him. Yes, But I mean, if you have that 796 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of power already, I mean, that's that's that's saying 797 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: something I was work shopping. As as as Drew our producer, 798 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: can attest, I was work shopping a take at the 799 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: Combine that Joe Burrow was not the number one quarterback 800 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: in this draft. It was not based on anything that 801 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: I thought, but it would be a way to put 802 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: myself out there as a contrarian in the media, because 803 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: that's it would be very unpopular take. But you know, 804 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: say you ran Cincinnati Bengals Daily and I'm out there 805 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: saying that Joe Burrow is not the number one pick 806 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: in the draft. You're bringing me on the show. Yeah, 807 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: it would. It would get you a lot of invites. 808 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: I mean, go back to Bucky in his top five, 809 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: he had two over So I'm I'm work shopping this 810 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: take that he's not the number one pick in the draft, 811 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: and I think that, uh, it would give me a 812 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of pub So I'm putting that 813 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: idea out there for any of the amateur drafting this 814 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: out there. Put out a mock without Joe Burrow as 815 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: your number one pick, you will get some invites. Yeah, 816 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: I like that, hot take, hot steaming. Yes. Uh. The 817 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: winner of the press conferences so Auburn defensive tackle Marlon Davidson. 818 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: He is potential early second round defense tackle, maybe late 819 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: first round. He had a couple of great moments and 820 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: his best answer was a question about what do you 821 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: love most about football? And I've got the full answer here. 822 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: He said, what do I love most about the game? 823 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: I love most about the game is that this is true. Now, okay, 824 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: this is true. I love most about the game that 825 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: I can literally go out there and hit a man, 826 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: consistently impound him and the police doesn't come. That is 827 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: the most enjoyable moment about ball. To just go out 828 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: there and really abuse somebody and they won't say nothing 829 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: in the press about it or anything. No headlines, no handcuffs, 830 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: no mug shots, no nothing. I'm out here just physically 831 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: abusing my man. I mean, that's right up there. I 832 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: had Accuda, I had Simmons, you know, Acuda telling a 833 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: reporter to go back and watch my tape. You better 834 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: rewatch things that I think you might have that wrong 835 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: on exactly what you're rattling off style wise, and I 836 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: also enjoyed that Marlon Davison had the nickname for Derek Brown. 837 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: He said that they everyone called him Channel five because 838 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: he always had the news. Everything you got, every reporter, 839 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: he knew it all, so he came to him for 840 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: all the information. Yet his nickname is Channel five. Never 841 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: one to not give you a sound bite. Now we 842 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: like that we playing. Can I give a second? Yes? 843 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: There were so many good moments and I'm sticking with 844 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: Auburn because Derek Brown had one of the best exchanges 845 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: at the podium that I saw. Uh and he was asked, 846 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: did you play any other sports in high school? He 847 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: said yes, I did football and basketball. What position were 848 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: you in basketball? Just said center? How would you describe 849 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: your basketball game? Dominant? How is it? Next? Yes, next question? No, 850 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: no shortage of confidence that Derek. The podiums were great 851 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, sometimes you don't get a whole lot, 852 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: or you get people asking questions that you're just scratching 853 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: your head for a team. I think it goes back 854 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: to being coached. These guys are getting coached, and I 855 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: think that they've realized that the more that a player 856 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: is themselves, the better they are And my favorite thing 857 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: was when I used to cover Alabama and I would 858 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: go to the Combine. It was like these players got 859 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: the botomies. I mean it really was like they would 860 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: They would just come to the Combine. There's new people 861 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: because they've been out Alabama for so many years and 862 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: just being drilled in their head say nothing, don't message, 863 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: and it was so like refreshing to see these guys 864 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: have a personality. Some of these guys who weren't even 865 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: allowed to talk in college there all of a sudden 866 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: allowed to go to combine. You find out there just 867 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: so interesting and that would be it would be one 868 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite things to just be like being introduced 869 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: to a brand new person once they got to the combine. 870 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: All right, So, as I mentioned earlier, and that was 871 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: pretty good on the Combine awards, no no shortage of 872 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: opportunities for trophies and ribbons. On that mock drafts, everybody's 873 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: got us take an offensive linemen. Yeah. So I know 874 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: at Cleveland Browns dot com you asked Sagara and I 875 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: to come up with a mock draft that'll be dropping 876 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: here this week. You have a mock draft that will 877 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: be dropping as well. And you asked us for every 878 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: pick in the first round. Now we all set offensive lineman, 879 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: but you also asked us for the pick in the 880 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: second round, pick number forty one. And that's what I 881 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about, just real quick to touch on. 882 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: These are total shots in the dark, and but it 883 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: was guys that we thought could be there and be available. Uh. 884 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: You had Zach Bond, a linebacker From's. I had him 885 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: at first, and I actually took him off because I 886 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: just saw way too many mocks that I had him 887 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: going in round one, and I'm like, even if he's 888 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: there at round two, I don't know if he's gonna 889 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: get past number pick number three or pick number four. 890 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: But I like his game. It's ambitious, it's going back 891 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: to the well linebacker from Wisconsin's more of an edge 892 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: threat than than maybe a Joe Show it was, But 893 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,959 Speaker 1: he fits kind of what you need and some other 894 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: types of players. I think Ryan mentioned Josh from from Michigan. 895 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: He's another type that's Rrell Lewis from Alabama. That's a 896 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: position I see potentially getting addressed in the second round. 897 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: So Bond is maybe the the ceiling on on what 898 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: I think can happen with the Browns in the second round, 899 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: addressing your needs at edge and or linebacker. So Bond 900 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: is my ambitious hopeful at number forty one, But I 901 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: could see a new cha that's Terrell Lewis, Guys that 902 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: that kind of fit that model, and maybe even the 903 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: guy he mentioned that had the worst combine a j Epinessa. 904 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: Could the Browns benefit from a total free fall because 905 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: of his bad That that's someone that I'm keeping my 906 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: eyes on because he's someone that plays really good and 907 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: there was a reason he was in the first round 908 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: discussion before his combine, and I think a lot of 909 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: teams could potentially overreact to that. Zagura had Yeter gross Meadows, 910 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: maybe I butchered that. Maybe another ambitious pick defensive end 911 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: from Penn State. We've seen him late first round in 912 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: a lot of mocks. But a guy that could fall 913 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: depending if there's a run on wide receivers or you know, 914 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: the secondary positions that are fairly limited, could fall into 915 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: the second round. A guy that has been dinged up 916 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, but when he's been on the field 917 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: and been healthy, shows that he's a pretty dominant player. Yeah, 918 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: and it's another I think there's a theme developing here. 919 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: Especially if you address offensive line in with your first pick. 920 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: I would have a hard time seeing you address another 921 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: off It's a position in the second round mostly not 922 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: just because you're you're trying to fit needs, but I 923 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,919 Speaker 1: just think that's where the strength of the draft goes 924 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: after that point. I just can't identify a wide receiver. 925 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: You have to have a tight end, you have to 926 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: have an offensive guard, you have to have certainly a 927 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: quarterback or a running back. I just don't see those 928 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: positions jumping out in the second round for you, all right. 929 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: And then finally I had the linebacker from Appalachian State 930 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: of Keem Davis gaitheror Again it could be a stretch, 931 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: but you know, six and a half sex in his 932 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: last two years fifteen passes defense, pretty good player and 933 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: could be a guy that's gone earlier than that, But 934 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: could be a guy that's on the board as well. 935 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: That's a couple of small school guys from North Carolina 936 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on him. And Kyle Dugger out 937 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: of Leonora Ride. I like Dugger a lot. I don't 938 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: know if you get him at forty one, you might 939 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: have that might be a reach. But what I like 940 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: about Dugger is not only is he a safety that 941 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: plays really well, but he is a return man and 942 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: that's something that could intrigue one Mike pre for your 943 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: He he only played in seven games the senior had 944 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,720 Speaker 1: an injury, but he returned two punts for touchdowns average 945 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: nearly fifteen yards of punt. Someone else to keep an 946 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 1: eye on, potential small school edition. All right, still lots 947 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: to get to as we work our way to the 948 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: NFL Draft at the end of April up next to 949 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: pro days begin, and I begin as early as this week, 950 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: as early as tomorrow or Friday and into the weekend. 951 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: Some of the pro days to keep your eye on, 952 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: obviously March eighteenth with Georgia, uh marche Iowa, the Alabama. 953 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: Alabama's gonna have too because two of will have his 954 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: own workout in April. Alabama on Marchy, Ohio State on 955 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: March twenty, Louisville on March, and of course free agency 956 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: starts two weeks from now. We think, we think, who 957 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: knows with what's going on with our fantastic c B 958 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: A and player votes and all of those kind of deals. So, uh, 959 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: we want to thank Ryan Wilson for his time. I 960 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: want to thank Drew Davidson spending the dials this week. 961 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: Ricky Sowinski were always doing an outstanding job helping us 962 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: out with graphics, Paul Taylor kind of managing the whole 963 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: thing and keeping us on the rails to keep the 964 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: train moving smoothly each and every week. For Andrew Gribble, 965 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs. 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