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Speaker 2: I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 3: Hey, Welcome to another episode of the Blackouts podcast. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host Rod, joined as always by my co host Ken,

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Speaker 3: and we are live on a Sunday, Yes, Sunday at

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Speaker 3: noon high noon. Okay, if you're meeting somebody in the

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Speaker 4: Okay, hi, nude.

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Speaker 3: But it's also when podcasts come together, y'all. As you

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Speaker 3: can see, probably by the title or the show knows,

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Speaker 4: We're not alone here. It's been a while since she's

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Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite people.

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Speaker 3: Well, the last time we had on the show, it

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's been a hot minus.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because and we've tried to meet up with her,

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Speaker 3: Be it the scheduling, because we were supposed to come

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Speaker 3: eighty three Token Negro Hollander. It's our girl, and let

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Speaker 3: me read the resume because I.

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Speaker 4: Like to do this.

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Speaker 5: Come on, give them the flowers.

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Speaker 4: Let me gash you up.

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Speaker 3: Sys okay, national political strategists, consultant, public speaker, social justice advocate,

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Speaker 3: president of the Brooklyn NAACP, founding chairman of Higher Heights

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Speaker 3: for America, and host of Sunday Civics on Serious XM

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Speaker 3: Urban View every Sunday morning at ten am. It's our girl.

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Speaker 3: L Joy Williams, political strategist.

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Speaker 4: What's going on? L Joy?

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Speaker 5: Hey? Hey, I can't believe it's been that long.

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Speaker 3: It does feel like just on the internet we're always

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Speaker 3: seeing each other with our hands. I always tell Chris

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Speaker 3: from the Sanity Check podcast, is we talk so much?

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Speaker 4: I forget. I can just be like you want to

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Speaker 3: Yes, you don't even think about it because I'm just

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, he's at front, he's.

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Speaker 3: He's our skin, he's uh, you know, we're dming or something.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, we just talk all It's like, no,

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Speaker 3: also with l Joy, it was really special for us

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Speaker 5: Want to put a next senator because l Joy men.

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Speaker 2: And Roger got this running joke about you, we feel

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Speaker 2: Joke we have because I'd be like, no, I am

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Speaker 6: I'm so so happy and proud of you all for

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Speaker 6: And you know, reached out when I saw the announcement

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Speaker 6: June is in your in your chat as well, I'm

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Speaker 6: So it is it is definitely the feel like family,

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Speaker 3: I always did wonder that, like when some of the

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Speaker 3: with all people like, so, what's up with all that

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Speaker 5: Cause I heard you had something to say you know that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, It's always been surprising to me how how you know,

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Speaker 3: I really like if Jamie Harrison would have just seemed

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Speaker 5: A brawl as Stephog Mall.

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Speaker 6: And I was like, so, I you know, and I

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Speaker 3: And so he responded in a way a whole nother

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Speaker 4: But Jason doesn't running.

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Speaker 3: Jason doesn't work for the campaign and official capacity, but he.

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Speaker 3: He is part of the hands committee, and.

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Speaker 6: And so they throw hands pretty effectively.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the hand, Listen the hand, the hands

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Speaker 3: So, how has it been with Sunday civics? You know,

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Speaker 6: I don't believe that while you are becoming a master

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Speaker 6: Right And so, you know, being able to have an

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Speaker 6: So those kinds of things, like when you like empower

443
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Speaker 6: people with the information, they're like, that's not fair. And

444
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 6: then it adds additional context to you know, when we

445
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Speaker 6: hear these phrases like whether it's defund the police or

446
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 6: the wealthy pay their fair share or tech, you know whatever,

447
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 6: to go a little deeper and kind of.

448
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Speaker 5: Explain to people what that means.

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Speaker 6: So explaining to people that they're not paying their fair

450
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Speaker 6: share into Social Security, but you do, right. It doesn't

451
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Speaker 6: matter if you're a Republican like whatever. It's just like

452
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Speaker 6: a matter of fairness, right, right, People agree about a

453
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Speaker 6: matter of fairness, you know, and so once you explain

454
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Speaker 6: that to people that way, then it's like, oh, okay,

455
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Speaker 6: light bulb off, Now I make this connection. And so

456
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Speaker 6: it's less about like the phrase eat the rich or

457
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Speaker 6: you know, like any of that, and it becomes now

458
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Speaker 6: I completely understand what this means in context.

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Speaker 5: And I'm for it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that's another law skill, is like or law skill.

462
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Speaker 3: It's just not encouraged online. Is this idea of talking

463
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Speaker 3: to people who aren't Democrats, who aren't liberal or whatever,

464
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Speaker 3: but like you said, you can we can agree on

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Speaker 3: fair right.

466
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Speaker 4: So you might not be a you might not be.

467
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Speaker 3: A Democrat, but you can think of the idea of like,

468
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 3: is it fair that this person pays way less than

469
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Speaker 3: you for this thing that you that you both use,

470
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Speaker 3: and that idea is something that should be universal. But

471
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Speaker 3: it is interesting because the debates online become like a

472
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Speaker 3: lot of and I think kind of Joe Biden and

473
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Speaker 3: the math on it shows that a lot of people

474
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Speaker 3: were kind of like wrong on it is that you

475
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Speaker 3: do need people to swing back, you know what I mean, like,

476
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Speaker 3: or at least this one. It helps that they swing

477
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Speaker 3: back because there are some people on the on the

478
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Speaker 3: other side that are not going to swing back, that

479
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: aren't being involded that you know, we talk about Biden

480
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Speaker 3: having seventy five million, but you know, seventy million people

481
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Speaker 3: showed up for Trump this year, and like that's more

482
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Speaker 3: than he got in twenty sixteen, right, So like that

483
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: there's an entrenched base over there that you may not

484
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Speaker 3: be able to get all those people back. But for

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Speaker 3: a large part of the appeal for Biden for a

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Speaker 3: lot of people were these people who were like, well,

487
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Speaker 3: I can agree that this isn't fair, like I like

488
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Speaker 3: because and you can tell from the results of the

489
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Speaker 3: state elections where sometimes Republicans won the state and yet

490
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Speaker 3: Biden won when the state nationally, which means that they

491
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Speaker 3: said to themselves like, well, I'm still I still like

492
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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham, but on the bigger, bigger platform, I think

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Speaker 3: I can see how Biden is appealing to me, which

494
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Speaker 3: I thought was kind of interesting. And then another thing,

495
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Speaker 3: the Biden's campaign said that like it didn't blow my

496
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Speaker 3: mind because I kind of had called this, but I

497
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Speaker 3: was like, when they confirmed it, I was very happy

498
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Speaker 3: to see it. What they were like, we turned off

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Speaker 3: Twitter just like Twitter is one world. We have to

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Speaker 3: get out in the streets, talk to real people and

501
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Speaker 3: see what real people are concerned with. Not that people

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Speaker 3: aren't real on Twitter, but like it has to be

503
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Speaker 3: bigger than trying to play the Twitter. And I brought

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Speaker 3: this up during the primaries. I was like, all my

505
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Speaker 3: favorite candidates, I like them, but they also are too

506
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Speaker 3: concerned about like tweets, and like, yes, if Twitter is

507
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Speaker 3: gonna retweet it, if we kicked Twitter, anyone who's been

508
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Speaker 3: on like the brunt of Twitter, you'll be like, oh no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: These are people you can turn your phone off and

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Speaker 3: walk away from. This isn't the same as engagement all

511
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Speaker 3: the time, Like it's a type of engagement, but it

512
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Speaker 3: can't run everything.

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Speaker 4: And I think that was a big I mean, I

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Speaker 4: feel like.

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Speaker 3: This election was a big referendum on a lot of

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Speaker 3: the stuff that's considered like common knowledge on Twitter's like

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Speaker 3: maybe not you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I agree with a lot of that one

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Speaker 6: in on the social media front. I can't tell you

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Speaker 6: how many I actually ran campaigns during the pandemic, right,

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Speaker 6: one of which you know, I've won in the middle

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Speaker 6: of a pandemic. Yeah, I'll save that boasting for later.

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Speaker 6: But you know what was interesting is you get from

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Speaker 6: not only the candidate but other I can't tell you

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Speaker 6: how many people called me during the middle of that primary.

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Speaker 5: So our primary in June, this was four congressional.

527
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Speaker 6: Candidate, all on social media, from political reporters to people

528
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Speaker 6: in the neighborhood, all of whatever. All thought she's gonna lose.

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Speaker 6: She came close to losing last time. You know, this

530
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Speaker 6: is you know, and people that were supporters of hers

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Speaker 6: would call me, Oh, they're talking about this on Twitter

532
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Speaker 6: and I'm like, uh huh, And and then they were like,

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Speaker 6: I just saw on Twitter her opponent is at so

534
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Speaker 6: and so and so, and I'm like, okay, we need

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Speaker 6: to send people over there.

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Speaker 5: No, we don't.

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Speaker 6: What was like and like a lot of a good

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Speaker 6: fifteen percent of my time during that campaign cycle was

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Speaker 6: answering calls from people are like, oh, or did you

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Speaker 6: see this? Then it created a WhatsApp group and then

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Speaker 6: they were like and this happened and he said this,

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Speaker 6: and then I'm like okay, like or whatever, and it's like,

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Speaker 6: I knew what our path was, I knew what our

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Speaker 6: plan was. I knew, you know, like I knew to

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Speaker 6: execute in terms of the community and the voters that

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Speaker 6: we needed to engage. We're not following the day to

547
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Speaker 6: day of what's happening on Twitter, Facebook or where her

548
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 6: opponent was. He had no idea who her opponent was, right,

549
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Speaker 6: So I knew her base. And so this is connected

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Speaker 6: to your point about investing in people that you know,

551
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Speaker 6: know you versus the people that flipped last time.

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Speaker 5: I knew her base. I knew what they listened.

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Speaker 6: To, I knew where they go, I knew their relationship

554
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Speaker 6: with her, I knew on whatever. And so I was like,

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Speaker 6: we are staying in the course in engaging with the

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Speaker 6: community that she represents that have supported her in the past,

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Speaker 6: and we just need to remind them that there is

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Speaker 6: an election, even though we're in the middle of the

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Speaker 6: pace pandemic and.

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Speaker 5: Like we blew upon the out of the like completely.

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Speaker 6: Out of the water, right, and then everybody's calling me

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Speaker 6: after it's like oh, sometimes just like yeah, because I

563
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Speaker 6: don't run campaigns based on social media, it is one

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Speaker 6: barometer of how things are moving It gives you an

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Speaker 6: indication of what people in a certain section and a

566
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Speaker 6: certain group are feeling about something, how your messaging may

567
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Speaker 6: be received, and things like that. But it is but

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Speaker 6: one barometer and not the main one. Right, it was

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Speaker 6: difficult to even internally, I'm not gonna say it wasn't

570
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Speaker 6: difficult to like see and hear stuff or whatever and

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Speaker 6: not want to respond and not want.

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Speaker 5: To do you know, but to be.

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Speaker 6: What's the word diligent, I guess about like no, you

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Speaker 6: know your past to victory, you know this or whatever.

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Speaker 5: This this is what.

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Speaker 6: We need to do and sometimes you need as you see,

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Speaker 6: I'm not on Twitter and stuff as much anymore, and

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Speaker 6: it's because I would find myself being wrapped up in

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Speaker 6: conversations and wrapped up in things, and it's just like, ah,

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Speaker 6: you know, like I know that there is a disconnect, right,

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Speaker 6: I know that there, yes, are real people. Twitter is

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Speaker 6: real and you know engagement, but I also know that

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Speaker 6: what people say and engage on Twitter, that there can

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Speaker 6: be sometimes a difference to how they operate in real life, right,

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00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 6: you know, off of social media. And if that can

586
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Speaker 6: happen with friends, you know what happens with voters, right,

587
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 6: it's like to be able to make that connection there now,

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Speaker 6: to bind it in them in terms of appealing to

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Speaker 6: people that showed.

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Speaker 5: Us their ass last time.

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Speaker 6: I think also the break of their at least for

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Speaker 6: strategists like me, is that how much investment do you

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Speaker 6: give and do the numbers supported so you know, you

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Speaker 6: can look at places like North Carolina or whatever, there

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Speaker 6: are more numbers that we can actually that are registered

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Speaker 6: democrats that if you speak to them and get with them,

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Speaker 6: they'll come out more than you trying to flip fifty

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Speaker 6: two hands in them who voted for him last time, right.

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Speaker 6: And the problem that we were talking about was really,

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Speaker 6: why are you spending five hundred dollars per day on

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Speaker 6: flipping and in them right when you can invest also

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Speaker 6: or if not more, in tyrone in them to give

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Speaker 6: them to the polls and we have a better outcome actually,

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Speaker 6: and you expand the electorate and you engage more people

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Speaker 6: you know in the process.

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Speaker 5: So there is a balance.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there are the people you are trying to convince

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Speaker 6: and roll or whatever, but it's also how you value

609
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Speaker 6: and what you are resources you're willing to put behind

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Speaker 6: that says what value you have about them as voters

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Speaker 6: and people within within the base of your party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and something that I would like to kind of

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Speaker 2: go kind of back on when Elda was talking about

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Speaker 2: you know how you you DM that person before what this?

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Speaker 2: And maybe I've come to the fact that I'm old

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Speaker 2: and so there's some things the way that social media functions,

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Speaker 2: I just don't function like that.

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Speaker 5: You know, for certain things, I.

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Speaker 2: Feel like I ought to be able to reach out

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Speaker 2: to you and talk to you behind the scenes. Like

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Speaker 2: like for me, I'm like, there are some conversations that

623
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Speaker 2: we can have behind closed doors that actually need to

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Speaker 2: stay behind closed doors.

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Speaker 5: I am very old fashioned with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, everything I say and everything I do don't

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Speaker 2: need a camera, It don't need TMZ. Everything, don't need

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Speaker 2: a flashlight in my face every time I breathe hard.

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Speaker 5: There's some conversations that need to happen offline.

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Speaker 2: And because we live in a world where everything instant,

631
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Speaker 2: everybody's open, everybody's telling, everybody's talking, there's nothing that's behind

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Speaker 2: the see because there are some things that you know

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Speaker 2: you might say behind the scenes, but a lot of

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00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: times it's just to get your thought process out. It's

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Speaker 2: just to kind of help you walk your way down

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Speaker 2: whatever path are you're going to take, and it might

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Speaker 2: not be always politely correct, it might not be always

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Speaker 2: it's the right things. A lot of times the first

639
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Speaker 2: thing to come to your mind a lot of times

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00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: ain't the best response.

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Speaker 5: And so social media allows people to get out.

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Speaker 2: Their first response, which is always a lot of times

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Speaker 2: the worst response. And so for me, I realized, like

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Speaker 2: that that's the difference between me and how a lot

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Speaker 2: of things roll. And so sometimes I take it personally

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Speaker 2: when I feel like when Nigga, you could have reached

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Speaker 2: out and call me, like that's my first response. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I'm like you you got my telephone number? If you don't,

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Speaker 2: that's something different. It's different between like if I know

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Speaker 2: no know you, I'm like, you could have took a

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Speaker 2: few seconds to have this conversation with me. And so,

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Speaker 2: like I said, and I know that's the maybe that's

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00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: just a me thing and the old thing. And also

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Speaker 2: when y'all was talking about the difference between online and offline,

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Speaker 2: sometimes the people online have an illusion that they're the

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Speaker 2: only people that mattered, that matters on things, and sometimes

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00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: that messes them up. And me and Roger have been

658
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: talking about this, particularly when it came to Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: and Joe Biden winning. A lot of people on social media,

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Speaker 2: particular a lot of black Twitter was highly upset when

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Speaker 2: he got the nomination. But if they would have been

662
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Speaker 2: listening to their grandma, they pop pop, they cousins, they relatives,

663
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Speaker 2: if they would have turned the phones off and wittn't

664
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Speaker 2: asked them, who are you voting for? Grandpa, he'd have

665
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: told you Joe Biden. But because they get any circles

666
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Speaker 2: and they act like every candidate has to check all

667
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: my boxes and has to be black power, black power,

668
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: black powle backpower. And if you ain't about that, I'm

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Speaker 2: not voting for you, or I'm not voting at all.

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Speaker 2: You know, people who have this illusion because I think

671
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: this social media. Social media's out bout brands. It's not

672
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Speaker 2: about the reality of the civics behind it. And once

673
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: you're about brand, sometimes your brand and the civics and

674
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 2: the engagement and the uplifting of people is second, which.

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Speaker 5: Is not healthy and it's not good because you're not

676
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: looking at the totality of the picture.

677
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Speaker 2: You say you're about everybody, and you say you're about

678
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: your people, but your actions showed me opposite. When you

679
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: get angry at the people and they decided a certain thing,

680
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: and because it's not what you and your clique has

681
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: have decided, was it, it becomes the problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom, I remember we went at my mom's

683
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: house during the primary, back when you could go down

684
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Speaker 3: somebody and breathe around them and stuff.

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Speaker 4: But I remember my mom we were talking abou because

686
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Speaker 4: my mom.

687
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: And my dad are very politically active, so we're always

688
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 3: talking politics at the house.

689
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: And I remember when they were like, who you're voting for? Whatever?

690
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: And I was like, I like Elizabeth Warren the most

691
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: right now, she's got all this great intersectional stuff blah

692
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: blah blah. And my mom was like, yes, Biden, and

693
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: my dad was like, yeah, it's gonna be Biden. Yeah,

694
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: it's like you know, in the primary, you vote your

695
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: hosts and dreams, but it's gonna it's Biden.

696
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: That's the one that can beat them.

697
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Speaker 3: And I mean, they were right, but it was just

698
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Speaker 3: interesting because I didn't hear that anywhere else, Like in

699
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: my circles online he was the least popular candidate right

700
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 3: offline when I just talked to just people in general.

701
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: He was immediately the most acceptable candidate, so that you

702
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: know that is it does kind of give you thatjuxtaposition,

703
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: and I do think, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, that's a real thing. And now, you know, hearing

705
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: his campaign echo, that was when I was like, oh wow.

706
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: And we're, you know, living in North Carolina, swing state.

707
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: You know, we see all the commercials. We even saw

708
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: the South. We even saw the South Carolina commercials.

709
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: We saw more of them than some are.

710
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie Harrison commercial was like y'all, we know y'all

711
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: can't vote here, but you in a demographic, you know,

712
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Speaker 2: but just when they put it on w SC we

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Speaker 2: cover North Carolina, South Carolina, so everybody getting this commercial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we saw those commercials, and it's interesting because

715
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: at least down here, the race was more like how

716
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: do you convince people you're not what these Republicans are saying? Right,

717
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: which is I'm sure it's super frustrating for any candidate

718
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: because how much of it do you want to get

719
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: your message out? And how much of it do you

720
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: want to be like f what this dude just said

721
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: about me? Right?

722
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: And so down here was like they're a socialist.

723
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: And then this show like they would show like Jamie

724
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: Harrison shaking hands with alc and who's not even.

725
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: Running down here, nothing's down here, and she's not even

726
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: a national candidate.

727
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: But they would be like Alexandro Cassio Cortes, Nancy Palosi,

728
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer, and Hillary Clinton all support Jamie Harrison. And

729
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: that reality down here is just so different, you know

730
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: from what because online it's like, you know, like a

731
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: big one hit down here too.

732
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 4: When there was Joe Biden, it was like Joe Biden.

733
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: Wants to defund the police and he's gonna kill you

734
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Speaker 3: or whatever. And then they would have a woman, a

735
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: white woman, come on the ad and she would be like,

736
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: I was sexually assaulted, and if it was up to

737
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, my killer would be or whatever, my you know,

738
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: like just rapist would be.

739
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: Freeze yes, Like it's it's such a and so online.

740
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: It's just defund the police. If you don't understand what

741
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: it is, shut the hell up. You don't know anything stupid.

742
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: But then down here is like they're saying, defund the

743
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 4: police means, you know, get out of jail free and

744
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: crimes in the street. So it's like so different.

745
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what it's like on the inside in

746
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: the campaign, trying to figure out your messaging and how

747
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: how do you divide between like telling people.

748
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: We're not this, but this is what we are.

749
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, care to your point about like there

750
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 6: are some conversations that just shouldn't happen online. I certainly

751
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 6: believe that one that I'm not engaged in right now,

752
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 6: and I'm telling people we should not have this conversation

753
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 6: on social media is the political conversation in terms of

754
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 6: how black women vote versus black men. I'm like, I'm

755
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 6: not talking about that on social media. Don't invite me

756
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: to talk about it on the panels. I'm not talking

757
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 6: about it on panels, conversation whatever. I am only going

758
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 6: to talk about it with people I actually build with,

759
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 6: work with, and engage with.

760
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Speaker 5: In my community.

761
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Speaker 6: And so like I've already gotten to requests like we're

762
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Speaker 6: going to talk about a panel about you know, this

763
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 6: black woman black man vote, and I was like, nope,

764
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 6: And I actually suggest you don't have the panel at all.

765
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 5: If you need to have that conversation, because you know

766
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: what actually build with.

767
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Speaker 4: We're talking about like a difference maybe or something like that.

768
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Speaker 5: And I think it's like eight yeah, So and we're.

769
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Speaker 3: Talking about of men, the most democratic constituency of men.

770
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Speaker 4: They are not inviting any other group to talk.

771
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 3: They're not being like, Okay, listen last wening, the Latinous

772
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: community talk about difference with that man talk.

773
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 5: About Asians and why they didn't know so I and

774
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 5: I'm trying.

775
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 6: I'm trying to recruit other people to just like, no,

776
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 6: we're not having this conversation.

777
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: We're not having it on social media. We're not gonna

778
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 5: do it on panels. We're not gonna do it.

779
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 6: Those kinds of conversations should only happen with people who

780
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 6: organize and work together on the ground and do all

781
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 6: of that because one is too many eyes, right, people

782
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 6: forget that social media, and you know, I always think

783
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 6: it's funny when people like respond to people from different

784
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 6: countries to different places and they're like, I wasn't talking.

785
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: To you, and I'm like, uh, but you tweeted it.

786
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 4: Uh you're talking to everybody like you can't.

787
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 5: Control who sees, who engages, who uses your information.

788
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: I'm always annoyed about reporters using tweets. I was like,

789
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 6: you know, you literally could just DM me or text

790
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 6: me and ask me about the context of this of

791
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 6: like your reporting, it's not hard, but they don't write.

792
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 6: So that's why I make conscious decisions on what I

793
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 6: comment on what I will and will not discuss publicly.

794
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 6: And those are one of those things of like, first

795
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 6: of all, we're focusing on a small percentage of the population,

796
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Speaker 6: you know, to one and of the of black men,

797
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Speaker 6: and I was just like two, that is a family

798
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 6: people that you are organizing with and working with.

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Speaker 5: Conversation. Now, I'll have it at Brooklyn NAACP. I'll have

800
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Speaker 5: it of how we increase in engaging black men's or

801
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: whatever on movements and stuff or whatever. But I'm not

802
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 5: going to have it on Twitter. I'm not going to

803
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 5: have it on Facebook.

804
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 6: I'm not going to have it where you have these

805
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 6: additional eyes in this additional gaze that then can be

806
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 6: used to talk about the divide and then preyed upon

807
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 6: during the same time. I'm not gonna do it.

808
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Speaker 3: And that bothered me so much during the near the

809
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: end of the election cycle is that you know, there

810
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Speaker 3: were celebrity like you know black men who were coming up,

811
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Speaker 3: but I'm like, you invited.

812
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Speaker 4: Them on your show.

813
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: You like, like it went from Lil Wayne as a

814
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Speaker 3: rapper to let's bring Lil Wayne on the Politics Nation

815
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Speaker 3: or whatever.

816
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Speaker 5: Why are you doing that? We don't need to do

817
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 5: It's just like, why are you doing it? So it's

818
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Speaker 5: just like you know, ice Cube.

819
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Speaker 3: Did this whatever, It's like okay, right, and we have

820
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Speaker 3: like at the same time, we had Lebron James do

821
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Speaker 3: a episode of The Shop where it was just him,

822
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: Maverick Carter, and Obama and they just sat down for

823
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: thirty minutes chopped it up about voting, the importance of voting,

824
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: the importance of protests, and portant of political action, galvana,

825
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: like all this stuff not this doesn't go viral. Like

826
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: it's like like at the same time that we're having

827
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: the like, look at this eight percent of black men,

828
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: isn't that crazy?

829
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Speaker 4: And it's like, well, what about this eighty two percent?

830
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: Can we talk about them?

831
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 6: No, no, we want to talk about these And then

832
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Speaker 6: it's not even an actual because even I was talking

833
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Speaker 6: about and if you I follow some black conservatives and

834
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 6: black Republicans as well, and they're having a similar conversation

835
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 6: about how conservatives and the Republican Party talk down to

836
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 6: them and talking engaged with them rather than engaging them.

837
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: On is having the same conversation.

838
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Speaker 6: So to that point, the platinum plan or whatever is out,

839
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: the platinum bullet points as I called them, and whatever.

840
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Speaker 6: But it was something, right, it was something I was like,

841
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 6: you're not even and even black conservatives were saying, y'all

842
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 6: not even doubling down and investing on the bullet points

843
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 6: of them, y'all over here still talking about me being

844
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 6: you know, about black folks being on a plantation and

845
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 6: being slave with whatever. So they're also annoyed, right, They're

846
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 6: also like, okay, continue, black folks still gonna be over

847
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 6: at the Democratic Party because you still say in the

848
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 6: same plantation talking points that the folks over there are using. Right,

849
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 6: it's just like you're you're not even treating African Americans.

850
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 6: You're not treating black folks as whole people that can

851
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 6: make decisions on their own as to where they are

852
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Speaker 6: and why they're there.

853
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Speaker 5: And then to double down and invest in again.

854
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Speaker 6: It then becomes somebody in the chapter said this for

855
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 6: entertainment purposes, Right, why would I bring Ice cubon to

856
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 6: talk about the like, why would I do that? The

857
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 6: only clearly demonstrated and it's not about as someone who

858
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 6: wants people to be engaged. And again, like I said,

859
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 6: before you get engaged because of me, and it ends

860
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 6: up your Republican that those are your political values. Right,

861
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 6: I can tell you what matters to you or what

862
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 6: values you know matter to you politically in terms of

863
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 6: being engagement, I just want you to get in.

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00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 5: I just want you to be empowered and get involved

865
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 5: and engage.

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Speaker 6: So if I QTI and whoever wait and whatever are

867
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 6: them engaged on and they decide they're investing in that.

868
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Speaker 6: If we want to have a conversation specifically about you know,

869
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Speaker 6: who is presenting a plan or a policy platform, whatever,

870
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 6: that's best. But I'm not going to bring you on

871
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 6: to talk about like why you over there with without

872
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 6: those white folks versus this white folks, Like that's entertainment.

873
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 6: That's not really some engagement conversation. And and I think

874
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 6: we continue to sort of boost up and when I

875
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 6: say we collectively by continuing that engagement. And then I said,

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Speaker 6: even from the Platinum Plan people, who did you hear

877
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 6: it from? Because notice the difference of people if they're

878
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 6: talking about policy and plan. Did an organizer reach out

879
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 6: to you from the campaign or field directors? Like oh,

880
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 6: I want to talk to you about you know, this

881
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 6: plan we're getting ready to release. Did they ask for

882
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 6: your comment and engagement?

883
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 5: Did they have No?

884
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 6: They released some bullet points and told do you you

885
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 6: know in a commercial and was like you should get

886
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 6: on board.

887
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 5: That's not investment, that's not engagement.

888
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: And theyn't even cooperate any of his stuff into it.

889
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: And they had like Katrina Pearson tweeting about it. Who

890
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: we haven't heard of Katrina ap Pearson for like four years.

891
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: So like it was like the level of difference that

892
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: they show was so low. But I thought that the

893
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: one interview with Roland Martin should have just been the

894
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: beginning and the end of it. Like I thought that

895
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: was a great interview.

896
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: It was like, what do you know?

897
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: Okay, it seemed like you don't know a lot. Here's

898
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: what's going on in this plan. Here's what's your plan,

899
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: here's how they don't meet. Alicia Garza comes on, this

900
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: is the actual organizer industries that talks to people. Maybe

901
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: y'all can exchange numbers that should have been it. Next day,

902
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, now see your name got them. Okay,

903
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: now this I'm like, why are we doing this? And

904
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: as you said, it just exacerbates this idea of this

905
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: divide when we're literally talking about the difference between eighty

906
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: two and you know what I mean.

907
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 6: Well, also the difference between the plan that was offering

908
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 6: people loans versus It's just like, and that's the other

909
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 6: thing that people have to pay attention to because it

910
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 6: is happening here in the state of New York. When

911
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 6: we're talking about decriminalizing marijuana and sort of making it

912
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 6: legal for adult use, Like, you know, the governor will

913
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 6: get on you know, TV's like, yeah, and I want

914
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 6: to make it and people invest or whatever, and the

915
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 6: license is going to be twenty thousand dollars, but.

916
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 5: We'll offer a loan for them. It's like, I want

917
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 5: a damn loan. Why why are you offering us debt?

918
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: Right Like?

919
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 6: You offering us debt, you're not offering investment, right Like,

920
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 6: there's a difference between Corey Booker's baby bonds that's an

921
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 6: investment that is, you know, an asset, rather than the

922
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 6: Platinum Plan that is offering a whole bunch of debt,

923
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 6: right Like, you can have access to the loans, right Like,

924
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 6: that's access to the debt versus having assets. You know,

925
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 6: that you can actually invest and use.

926
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: And those are the kinds that like, we need to

927
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: be able to instead of thinking about it as an

928
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 5: entertainment process. And I know it's hard, It's really hard

929
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 5: because people are always looking for content.

930
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 6: Because you have the podcast and the show and the

931
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 6: YouTube channel and the Instagram and the IGTV and all

932
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 6: this other stuff. People are just looking for content, right,

933
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 6: And it's like, what content can I use that it's

934
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: controversial enough that will get people to click.

935
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: And engage, and that is if that is driving you.

936
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 6: And you have to be discerning about the content that

937
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 6: you are watching and listening to and know the people,

938
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 6: the personalities and people that you are investing in with

939
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 6: your time, investing in with your listens and your clicks

940
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 6: or whatever are they keeping you on because it's just

941
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 6: it's it's just analytics, right, It's just I need content

942
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 6: to keep the numbers up to keeople whatever or are

943
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 6: they feeding you?

944
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: And both can happen at the same time. I'm not

945
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 5: trying to be you know, one.

946
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 6: Million listeners, subscribers or whatever like overnight. I'm not being

947
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 6: driven by the content. I'm being driven by is what

948
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 6: do I think you need to know? What do I

949
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 6: think you need to learn I just learned this, I

950
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 6: want to share it with you, right, and being able

951
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 6: to identify the people that provide that content with you.

952
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: If you are a podcast.

953
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 6: Subscriber, if you're listening to shows and you know following

954
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 6: people on Twitter, you know you have to make the

955
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 6: conscious decision is this person feeding me or I'm where

956
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 6: am I feeding their analytics?

957
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: Yes?

958
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 5: And you have to make that conscious decision.

959
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because but for me, I've realized this, and once

960
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: I realize this, it kind of helped me navigate things

961
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: a little better what I realized, particularly about the black

962
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: men black women when it came when it came to

963
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 2: come to voting, people have agendas. And once I once

964
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: I realized what people's agendas were, because this is the thing.

965
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: Anytime it comes between men and women, you're always going

966
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 2: to have a divide. So this was a perfect example

967
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: of how people can get into these agendas. So you're

968
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: not really talking and a lot of people aren't really

969
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: even concerned about the numbers.

970
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: They're like, how can I get that men? How can

971
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 5: I get that women?

972
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: How can I say my baby dad and mama cousin

973
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: who left me back in the day, and I've been

974
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: hurt since grade school?

975
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 5: How can I put this online so that I.

976
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: Can make it about me, which means it's not actually

977
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: about the percentage of people that you claim it's about.

978
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 5: Once I wrapped my mind or mind and go, oh,

979
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 5: y'all just being messy, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all. Just y'all,

980
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: just being messy.

981
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: Y'all.

982
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 6: Always got stuffing going on, right, And that's what I

983
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 6: think about. Is just like even from social media in

984
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 6: some conversations, and you know, I don't get I deliberately

985
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 6: don't get in the conversation in terms of who's authentic

986
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 6: or whatever. That's like, I'm just like if you just

987
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 6: always got some some stuff going on? And that's the

988
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 6: old people think it's just like some why every time?

989
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you have a like this

990
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 6: or whatever. Who used to pull you decided he was

991
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 6: like why something always why? It's always not you, but

992
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 6: you always.

993
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: Around it come on like like like like my mama,

994
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: you said, you stay around trash long enough, you're gonna

995
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: began to stink too.

996
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 5: So I can't tell them between you or the trash.

997
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't tell if you're telling the truth because

998
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 6: all of this stuff around you is always.

999
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: Some mess and always And the thing is with online engagement,

1000
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: having something going on is a good way to keep

1001
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: people engaged. So it's like you don't even know if

1002
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: it's real, you know, like like they could just always

1003
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: need to look like they in some drama. But yeah,

1004
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: you know, it took me a while to learn to

1005
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 3: trust my gut on that stuff and be like, oh, no, no, no, I'm.

1006
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 4: Good over here.

1007
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, cause you do you have fun with that? Yeah,

1008
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 5: it's good faith because you have to.

1009
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: It's a difference between somebody that actually, like if Eldrey

1010
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: says something not okay, she has a track record, I

1011
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: trust her. She's bringing this up for a purpose. She's

1012
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: going to give me some information behind it. She's not

1013
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: just shooting things out there and then going.

1014
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: Thoughts right, and also.

1015
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: Also what do you think?

1016
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 4: Yes, how do you feel about this?

1017
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: You go to the kitchen and your girl best friend

1018
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: is in lingerie looking at the refrigerator, thoughts, why did

1019
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: you even put that out there?

1020
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: That's never gonna happen. There's so many things that went

1021
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: wrong for this scenario.

1022
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: Possibly so, and I also want to let you know,

1023
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: just don't worry about vote shaming and stuff like that.

1024
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: Okay, el Joy, we got you, We got you, all right,

1025
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: We're gonna get them from both sides. This is what like,

1026
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: you know, you got a good cop bad you know.

1027
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 5: You're above it all. We like you better get out

1028
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 5: there and vote. Yes. I'm ashamed you. Yes, you dumb

1029
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 5: if you say people should vote.

1030
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 4: Yes.

1031
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 5: You dumb if you do something yes, like I said,

1032
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 5: because you can't.

1033
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: My friend Jay, she has a podcast TVA Queen and Jay,

1034
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: and you know it's very positive and very you know, like, hey,

1035
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: let's do this.

1036
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 4: We can do it together.

1037
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: I said, that's amazing because we need you on the

1038
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: one side. And then I come off the top rod

1039
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: with the elbow drop like brim, you need to vote

1040
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 3: you stupid. Like then we get we get both of them.

1041
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: You know you'll get half, I'll get half. So what

1042
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: do you think about What do you think right now

1043
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: about Trump and his lack of concession speech or tweet

1044
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: or I don't know what we should expect.

1045
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: For this food.

1046
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 6: I like Simone Sanders line. I don't know if you

1047
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 6: saw that. She did an interview after Biden and Harris

1048
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 6: acceptance and I think it was Chuck Todd or Brian

1049
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 6: or somebody asked her about that, and she said, the

1050
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 6: Constitution does not require a concession. It requires a candidate

1051
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 6: to get two hundred and seventy electoral votes and we've

1052
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 6: met that. And I was like, yeah, so I don't

1053
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 6: if you see, I'm not tweeting about him. I'm not

1054
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 6: even I'm not even tweeting or commenting or paying attention

1055
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 6: about Oh he hasn't conceded. Oh he hasn't done. I'm

1056
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 6: not I don't doesn't matter, right, none of that, like,

1057
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 6: none of that matters. And sort of feeding into that

1058
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 6: is he's another one, right, He's a great prime example

1059
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 6: of someone that needs attention, whether.

1060
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 5: It's that good or whatever.

1061
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 6: Right, So he he feeds off of that, right, And

1062
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 6: so the best thing we do is like sort of

1063
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 6: just like, okay, you'll be okay, so when.

1064
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 5: You leave on January, you're gonna end up changing the

1065
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 5: lots anyway, but just like we're not even entertaining. Right.

1066
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 6: It was a frustration I had even during the election

1067
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 6: where people were like, oh, he said, he's not going

1068
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 6: to see it. I was like, why are you presenting

1069
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 6: this as an option?

1070
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 5: To him.

1071
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it's just like if you lose when you leave,

1072
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 6: this is what needs to happen, like I imagine like

1073
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: secret service and whatever. So yeah, so the box, the

1074
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 6: packing boxes get here, where would you do you have

1075
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 6: a place where you want them to go?

1076
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 5: Or should we just put them anywhere?

1077
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: Like they ask this fool in like September. Are you

1078
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: okay with a peaceful transfer power? I'm like, what whose

1079
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 4: man is this? Come get them out of the press, fool.

1080
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 5: No, what's wrong with you?

1081
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: No?

1082
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 5: No, it's just like just so you know the path.

1083
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 5: You know, the trucks arrive at six am.

1084
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 4: Come on when you check it to a hotel, they

1085
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 4: never go.

1086
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 3: Are you cool with a peaceful exit at eleven am

1087
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning?

1088
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 4: No, they're like eleven am is check out time.

1089
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 5: So if you don't leave, we don't come and get

1090
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 5: you and make you leave. One way, you're gonna get

1091
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 5: up out of him, right.

1092
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 6: So the thing about it, so now there is the

1093
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 6: very you know, real thing of the administration not participating

1094
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 6: right in and things, and this is this is part

1095
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 6: of stuff that Biden actually planned for because he knew

1096
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 6: he was trifling, right, So he was like, no, We're

1097
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 6: not even gonna do a room at the White House

1098
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 6: for a transition. We're just gonna do it at this

1099
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 6: hotel down the street because we we already know you trifling,

1100
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 6: so we're not even like we're not even about it.

1101
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 6: I got our own email service set up just over here.

1102
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 5: What we're gonna call on our own phone. We ain't

1103
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 5: even gonna worry about using y'all. That's contract was friend, Like,

1104
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 5: we just go ahead.

1105
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 4: That's what I like about.

1106
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: Like Biden was the only candidate that gave me the

1107
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: I know this nigga's trifling fields the whole time. Like

1108
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: I told some I forget I was talking I feel

1109
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: about Dad where he was talking about like Bernie and

1110
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: out of field.

1111
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: I was like, I feel you, But I didn't got

1112
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: that good.

1113
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: I hate Trump energy like he got that and that

1114
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: resonates with people a lot more than people think. They like.

1115
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: What about these policies? I'm like, what about the policy?

1116
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: This nigga got a god.

1117
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 6: Yeah because from Joe for people like Joe, Biden and

1118
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 6: even Obama, they know they they don't he doesn't respect

1119
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 6: the institution and the he doesn't respect the institution. He

1120
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 6: doesn't respect the Constitution. He doesn't respect American people. So

1121
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 6: for them, it is a like a you know, it's

1122
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 6: like reading some of the early founding fathers or even

1123
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 6: the early congressional records, like when they would get on future, it's.

1124
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 5: Just like how dare you?

1125
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 6: Like yes, like they are personally offended, like someone like

1126
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 6: him actually exists, and it's not a Republican thing because

1127
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 6: as you know, Joe Biden.

1128
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 5: Has a relationship with people. It's just like, it's not

1129
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: even a Republican thing.

1130
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 6: It's just like you are trash, you are real ashing.

1131
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 4: That debate when Trump was trying to talk over him

1132
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: a couple of times, and a.

1133
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: Couple of times anyway, but when he just likes someone

1134
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: say slipped, I just say he that's that was really

1135
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 3: when he earned my vote.

1136
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 4: But he was like, this guy's a fool.

1137
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 5: Uh he racist and d J and looked at the

1138
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: chemical American people.

1139
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said this, you're the worst president ever anyway,

1140
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: American you're sitting at your dinner table like.

1141
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1142
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: He was just like, are we good? I don't need

1143
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 4: to hear do y'all need to hear anything else from

1144
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 4: this clown?

1145
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: No good America? Look, you ain't got a job right now, Okay,

1146
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: I'm talking. Okay, you done lost loved ones.

1147
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: I know what it's like.

1148
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: Okay, it's time to move on from this food. I

1149
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 3: was like, that's the energy that people are gonna vote

1150
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: for man.

1151
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 5: And only another old white man.

1152
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: I told people. I said, it had to be a

1153
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: white man off. Nobody else could have did this. Anybody

1154
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: else everybody would have had a problem with them.

1155
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 4: It was he was the only one that could survive.

1156
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: Now I do have to ask, what is it like,

1157
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 3: you know, dealing with the being the president of the

1158
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: Brooklyn NAACP. I thought, you've been to president of Brooklyn

1159
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: NAACP as long as I've known you.

1160
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 4: And also NAACP. I feel like it's a bad rap,

1161
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 4: you know, and.

1162
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: Specifically like local chapters people very much confused like a

1163
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: local chapters antics with the entire population of the NAACP,

1164
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: where it's just like they did this in Detroit. Man,

1165
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: I hate the NAACP as opposed to like, well them

1166
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: Detroit people. Was tripping that day, like, was it like

1167
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 3: being part of the organization? Is it you know, hard

1168
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: working with the pr is it you know? Just is

1169
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: it different on the ground that it is online.

1170
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 6: It is definitely different on the ground than it is online.

1171
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 6: You know, one of the things that I said this

1172
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 6: about some of the other organisms that exists.

1173
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 5: And this is not a knock.

1174
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 6: I think this is with any organization or church where

1175
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 6: you are the founder and there is no accountability structure.

1176
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 6: Right in NAACP, there's an accountability structure right There are

1177
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 6: members you are.

1178
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 5: Accountable to.

1179
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 6: There is an executive committee that you are accountable to.

1180
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 6: Even though I'm president, I can't just go off and

1181
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 6: be like, oh, we're doing this. I still have to

1182
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: get a vote from the executive committee and then from

1183
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 6: a membership that we're moving this way. Right, So it's

1184
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 6: not just like I decide I can't spend more than one.

1185
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 5: Hundred dollars without getting the vote unapproval.

1186
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 6: So like you're talking about, like now, people in the

1187
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 6: nable somehow, people still in the NAACP seal money somehow.

1188
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 6: I don't know how when like there's like I'm like,

1189
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 6: who is keeping people accountable over here?

1190
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 5: Because I'm like I'm past.

1191
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 6: Like there are times when in the members laugh at me,

1192
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 6: where if I lost the receipt, I'm just like, oh well,

1193
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 6: I just won't get reimbursable it because I can't find

1194
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 6: a receipt and I'm not going to jail for the

1195
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 6: appearance of stealing nobody's money. But the accountability structure that

1196
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 6: exists not only within your branch, but then even if

1197
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 6: you end up being within a branch, that's not you

1198
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 6: know about anything within the organization. So yes, you know,

1199
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 6: some branch somewhere in West Bubble or whatever can decide

1200
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 6: they're doing that, but if national hears about it, they're

1201
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 6: gonna be like, uh yeah, and you're sited and sit

1202
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 6: there like there's another there's an accountability structure that provides

1203
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 6: that you are not off on your off on your own.

1204
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 6: The other thing is that working locally with people, and

1205
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 6: I talk to my friends who some of who are

1206
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 6: digital strategists and that most of their work is done

1207
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 6: online and they're disconnected from people. Is the benefit that

1208
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 6: you get of having to actually, as a leader, engage

1209
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 6: with people in real time and manage people. You are

1210
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 6: all volunteers, remember your staff, right, right, So for me

1211
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 6: to get rad to not only be a member, but

1212
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 6: now I'm asking you to volunteer time to chair a

1213
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 6: committee or to do a program or do something whatever,

1214
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 6: as a leader. That is a personal investment in your

1215
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 6: leadership skills. That's a personal investment in you as a person.

1216
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 6: I know people's birthdays, I know people's you know, kids

1217
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 6: are members, and folks know like my struggles, whether you

1218
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 6: know it's the kids or things or whatever. And so

1219
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 6: when to have that sort of personal connection you you

1220
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 6: can't lead like a dictator, right, you know, because there

1221
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 6: are real people, real emotions, and real things. And so

1222
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 6: I'm always trying to be mindful that folks are volunteering

1223
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 6: their time. Everybody's not crazy like me, and we'll stay

1224
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 6: up till two and three in the morning to you know,

1225
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,959
Speaker 6: do whatever. And so I'm trying to invest in poort

1226
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 6: into people to empower them and train them to be

1227
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 6: leaders in their own right. I begged, begged people this

1228
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 6: last so our terms are two years, and I was

1229
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 6: just like, somebody want to be present, Like who, yeah,

1230
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 6: like y'all.

1231
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 5: Want to be president? Let me know now so I can.

1232
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 6: Show you all the ropes for this, like over this

1233
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 6: next year or whatever, so we can have a peaceful

1234
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 6: transmission of.

1235
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 5: Right way begs all of whatever.

1236
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 6: And they was like nope, And people would like last

1237
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 6: election cycle, people were competing for like VP and sort

1238
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 6: of all the stuff, and I'm like, no one.

1239
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 5: They over here and did the same thing, you know,

1240
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 5: same thing again.

1241
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 6: They nominated me again, and I was just like they

1242
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 6: do the point where they asked three times, are there

1243
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 6: any nominations from the floor, And I'm.

1244
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 5: Like, yes, somebody and they're like no, And I was like, oh.

1245
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: But.

1246
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 6: But but I like having that accountability now. Frustrating sometimes

1247
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 6: right old people got old people. You know, there are

1248
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 6: going to be people who are saying, you know, I

1249
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 6: want to learn, I want to do stuff, and really

1250
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 6: they just want to show up for the press conferences

1251
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 6: and for the you know media of parent You don't

1252
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 6: do the oh we about to collate packets in the office,

1253
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 6: but like on Friday night, you know, before we go

1254
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 6: up to Albany on Monday, right, Like, you know, so

1255
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 6: people think the work is what the flashiness they see, right,

1256
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 6: they don't see It's like trying to feel like making

1257
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 6: the appointments with elect officials and reading and understanding the

1258
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 6: dynamics of you know, how certain policy intersects with certain things.

1259
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 6: You know, one of the things I'm really fearful about

1260
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 6: is not about peaceful trans for power.

1261
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 5: Is not about.

1262
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 6: You know, will Biden you know, be held accountable or whatever.

1263
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 6: I don't think people have completely grasped what this pandemic

1264
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 6: has done in terms of our economy. And when people

1265
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 6: really realize come the beginning of the year, when state legislators,

1266
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 6: right will have to are going back into session and

1267
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 6: they will face a budget that is millions, if not

1268
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 6: billions of dollars in the in the red, yes, and

1269
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 6: they have to make decisions on what to cut, not

1270
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 6: only on the state level, but then on your municipal level.

1271
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 5: Once people I don't.

1272
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 6: Think people really grasped that during the presidential election, because

1273
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 6: again we're still far removed from it, because right now

1274
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 6: we're talking about people need money for rent and things

1275
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 6: or whatever, and states have just been doing it right, like.

1276
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 5: New York has just been doing it right. We have

1277
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 5: not had.

1278
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 6: A real conversation about how that's going to impact people

1279
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 6: in their communities. And you have to have really, really

1280
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 6: great people at the table, and we have to be

1281
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 6: vigilant because when those customer made we need to make

1282
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 6: sure those cuts aren't made at the expense of people

1283
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 6: who are already vulnerable.

1284
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And that's definitely gonna happen too, because and

1285
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 3: the thing is, like, that's why I think Biden was

1286
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: once again the right choice here is because he came

1287
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 3: into it from a holistic perspective as opposed to like, well, listen,

1288
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: if you ain't vote for me, I don't know what

1289
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 3: to tell you player, like like we just can't have

1290
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 3: that type of like attitude. I know people you know

1291
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: online kind of like people have been fighting so much

1292
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: that they kind of want they think they want.

1293
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 4: A president that's like the opposite of the Trump. But

1294
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 4: Trump for us, you know what I mean, Or was

1295
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 4: like and now I'm gonna screw the Red States, Like nah,

1296
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: we kind of.

1297
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: Need somebody to come in and get this whole ship

1298
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: loading again because it's gonna be difficult and there is

1299
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: a pandemic and you can't run from that reality. One

1300
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: of the things that Trump kept saying was he kept

1301
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: making his argument around the economy. But when you listen

1302
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: to how they talk about the economy, it's the stock market, right,

1303
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 3: Like that's not real for people on the ground, Like

1304
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 3: the stock market and my avery everyday life don't intersect

1305
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 3: enough for me to care.

1306
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 4: Like for me, you're like, you know what lost my job.

1307
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: But did you see the Dow Jones.

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Speaker 5: Right, yeah, no, no, no that that don't go hand

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Speaker 5: and hand the show all the time.

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Speaker 6: The stock market is not the economy, no, right, but

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 6: the economy is. And just to make the round robbin

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01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 6: for people. If the strip that you go to, everybody

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01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 6: has this, right, they have the strip of stores they

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Speaker 6: go to. That's where you get your bleach and stuff,

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Speaker 6: and then you go across the street to the bank,

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 6: and then you go like that whole strip of stores, right,

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Speaker 6: that whole economy right there if it collapsed because of pandemic,

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Speaker 6: because of the restaurant, because you would go and run

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 6: those errands and then you would go to the diner

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Speaker 6: up the street, or you would park at one end

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Speaker 6: of the block, go through the stores all down the block,

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Speaker 6: go put the car, the bags in the car, and

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Speaker 6: know whatever.

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Speaker 5: All of those.

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Speaker 6: Businesses also then pay taxes into the city and the state,

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Speaker 6: right which provide the revenue for the state to be

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Speaker 6: able to do certain things. Now this is just me

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01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 6: doing it simplistically, right. So now imagine if those businesses

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Speaker 6: half of them closed, then now imagine you're also not

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01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 6: going out and buying much and doing whatever because someone

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01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 6: in your household lost their job. So now you're conserving,

1332
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 6: you're not spending as much, right, and you lost an income.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 6: You are also don't have income to pay taxes on

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 6: sales tax anything into your municipality or your state. So

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 6: all of those little things add up in terms of

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 6: income that your locality, whether it's your county or your

1338
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 6: city or whatever, is not receiving, and that your state

1339
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 6: is not receiving.

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Speaker 5: Those add up to millions or billions of dollars.

1341
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 6: Now you send the governor and the state legislature and

1342
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 6: you're like, this is the reality of our budget. We

1343
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 6: still have to run the state, we still have to

1344
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 6: run the city, We still have to provide public education.

1345
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 6: We have all of these union contracts of union jobs

1346
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 6: from the city and the state or whatever that we

1347
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 6: still have to honor and all that kind of stuff.

1348
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 5: But we have less income. We need to make cuts now.

1349
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 6: And this is the message that I don't think we

1350
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 6: used during the presidential election, particularly for Congress and state legislatures,

1351
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 6: that I think would have made a difference. Who do

1352
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 6: you want making that decision? Who do you want making

1353
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 6: the decision of the reality is, we don't have two

1354
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 6: billion dollars coming in because of the pandemic. So all

1355
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 6: of those, whether it's sales tax, whether it's you know, companies,

1356
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 6: whether it's people moving look all or whatever. We lost

1357
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 6: two billion dollars. We have to make that up somehow.

1358
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 6: What do we cut and where do we cut? And

1359
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 6: who do you want to be at the table making

1360
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 6: that decision?

1361
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 5: Right?

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01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's very important, and eljoy not on top

1363
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: of that, Even prior to the pandemic, particularly here in

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: North Carolina and in some states that were Republican ran,

1365
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: they were already reducing taxes owned the rich already, which

1366
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: means they were already downfalls and taxes prior to the

1367
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: pandemic of them not getting as much income anyway, and

1368
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: already slicing and dicing and cutting because they already reduced

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: their pool of tax revenue. And even here where we

1370
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: stay in our apartment, they go around and they check

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: the tax and you know, periodically they put like these

1372
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: orange stickers. Recently they went through and it was orange

1373
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 2: stickers everywhere. I was like, oh, probably because people cannot

1374
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: pay their taxes, because because in North Carolina's just very

1375
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 2: different everywhere. I know that I know in some states

1376
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: they don't have taxes, but we have to pay, like, uh,

1377
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: we have to get you have to pay.

1378
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 4: Property tax for your car in order to renew your tag.

1379
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to get up with emissions tests

1380
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 2: and then stuff like that, and so all of a sudden,

1381
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 2: people aren't paying that because it's like I'm not driving

1382
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: my car right.

1383
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 3: Another thing too, what do you think about this post election?

1384
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 3: I feel like the truce is off now, okay, and

1385
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 3: it's time to get back to some old fashioned democratic

1386
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: and fighting.

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 5: We back, y'all.

1388
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 4: Okay, pandemic is over, let's do it. What do you

1389
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 4: think about all that? I feel like that's been a

1390
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 4: major like headline the last couple of weeks. Is like

1391
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 4: the difference between like AOC and Span Burger and stuff

1392
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 4: like that. Oh my god.

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 6: So a couple of things, as I would say, One,

1394
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 6: you have infighting and parties both Republican and Democrat, because

1395
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 6: we only have two major parties. Even though I identify

1396
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 6: as a Democrat right now, I don't think there's any

1397
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 6: way in our democracy we should only have two. Because

1398
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 6: people like they're like, we need to break the strength

1399
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 6: the stronghold, which is not easy to do because it's

1400
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 6: so ingrained not only in our federal system but also

1401
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 6: in states right in terms of ballid access and things

1402
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 6: of that. So you're always going to have infighting in

1403
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 6: parties because some of these people don't belong together, you know,

1404
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 6: like in terms of governance, right, some of these people

1405
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 6: just don't belong together. Secondly, I think in this current argument,

1406
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 6: people are misunderstanding the difference between electoral politics and advocates

1407
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 6: or activists. It is absolutely the activist and advocated job

1408
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 6: to scream high heaven on the corner, defund please. That's

1409
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 6: their job, right, is to you know, scream and make

1410
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 6: their voices heard about a particular issue, to bring it

1411
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 6: to light, bring it to the light of the people,

1412
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 6: and bring it to the light of elect officials and

1413
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 6: all stuff.

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01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 5: That is their job.

1415
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 3: Is all.

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 6: It is the job in terms of electoral politics. It

1417
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 6: is a contest for you to win in order to govern, and.

1418
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 5: You have to win the needle that you have to thread.

1419
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 6: When activists and advocates are doing their job standing on

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 6: the street, corner, out in the street or whatever, hollering

1421
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 6: their pain, which they should absolutely do, is how do

1422
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 6: you run in an environment like that when you are

1423
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 6: not running nationally, like in a presidential race. For a

1424
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 6: congressional race, people forget all the time, AOC is not

1425
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 6: running a national race where everybody that likes her get

1426
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 6: to vote for her.

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: She's running in the district. Now, there are some districts

1428
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 5: that based upon the voters in those districts and the.

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01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 6: Political attitudes and values that you can get a Jamal

1430
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 6: Bowman because he was able to expand the electorate and

1431
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 6: capitalize upon in a primary situation of a disconnected representative. Right,

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 6: Lauren Underwood's district is different, Right, you know people run locally.

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 6: The same thing with Max Rose. Like, people are all

1434
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 6: surprised about Max Rose losing and I'm just like it's

1435
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 6: sadn Island.

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01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 5: Like it's like he's not running nationally. There's still people

1437
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 5: in that district.

1438
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 6: And so even if activists and advocates, you have one

1439
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 6: side saying defund the police and engaged in whatever, and

1440
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 6: you have other people who are fearful of that, don't

1441
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 6: understand what it is or just don't flat out believe it. Right,

1442
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 6: how do you then run a race as a candidate

1443
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 6: in that particular district that speaks to all.

1444
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 5: Of those things?

1445
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 3: Right?

1446
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 6: And I think what people are people are conflating right

1447
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 6: by saying, oh, defund the police is what killed.

1448
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,480
Speaker 5: Us, right collectively?

1449
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 6: That may have been so in Max's district, right where

1450
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 6: it was weaponized against him because he personally believed that

1451
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 6: the killing of George Floyd was outrageous and so he

1452
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 6: showed up at a protest, particularly protesting George Floyd. It

1453
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 6: was weaponized against him that he believes in the principles

1454
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 6: of defund the police, which he doesn't. It was weaponized

1455
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:44,879
Speaker 6: against him, right, But you, as a candidate have to determine,

1456
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 6: your team has to determine how do we run and

1457
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 6: thread a needle in our district of what works based

1458
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 6: upon the people I'm looking to represent, And you can't

1459
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 6: help it. It's the people you represent say I don't

1460
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 6: believe in this defund the police you know thing or whatever? Right,

1461
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 6: then how do you run a race that needs to

1462
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 6: the needs of the people you are trying to represent?

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 6: Because everybody's district is not by you know, like the

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 6: you know, liberal dream or the progressive dream. Yeah, because

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 6: districts of Jerry Mander. Because you have let me tell you,

1466
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 6: in our Brooklyn n DOUBLEACP branch everybody is not only

1467
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 6: the defund police, defund the policing National n double ACP

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 6: and others whatever.

1469
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 5: You know, people all the black folks are like, yeah,

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 5: I don't know about all of that.

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01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 6: As a leader within the organization, I have to educate, empower,

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 6: inspire and engage people to get them to the point

1473
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 6: where I know we should go and not. The difference

1474
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 6: in terms of leadership, right, is that you can either

1475
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 6: play to people's fears and where people are, or you

1476
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 6: can help elevate to where you know they should be.

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01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 5: Right.

1478
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 6: Then, the last thing I would say is, these are

1479
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 6: some people, say, some of the same forces and some

1480
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 6: of the same people who when people got the Affordable

1481
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 6: Care Act.

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01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 5: Like made people getting health insurance a negative? Right, Why

1483
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 5: am I listening to them?

1484
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 6: You know, like in terms of like any like they

1485
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 6: are going to be able to take anything marketed as

1486
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 6: a you know, a negative. The fact that Republicans actually

1487
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 6: made it a negative, that people actually got health insurance

1488
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 6: and people lost races in like in their like in

1489
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 6: congressional districts because they supported the ACA.

1490
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 5: Right, that's just gonna happen, because that's how people.

1491
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 6: Play on in the contest of electoral politics, right, and

1492
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 6: then you're just not able to from a messaging standpoint

1493
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 6: or anything or whatever.

1494
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 5: You're just not to overcome, right.

1495
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 6: So I think that's the you're all of those dynamics playing,

1496
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 6: but the place to flame solely on Akistat was too loud.

1497
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 5: About defunding the police and preserving black life.

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Speaker 3: You too, And I think it's interesting too because like

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 3: there's also like branding tied up in it too, because

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 3: you know, like these people want to become bigger and

1501
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: bigger names, bigger and bigger politicians. So it is kind

1502
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 3: of like it reminds me aoc reminds me of Bernie,

1503
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 3: I always say, because Bernie, really, if you think about it,

1504
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 3: got a huge avenue to power by being like the

1505
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: one who's kind of like, I'm so liberal, I'm not

1506
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 3: with y'all, you know what I mean, And that forty

1507
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 3: years later we're like, this dude can be president and

1508
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 3: hasn't built any coalition, like because he took the avenue

1509
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 3: outside of what people thought was the right avenue. Another

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01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: thing you brought up too was I and I say

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01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 3: this all the time, there's just symbiosis between activists and

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01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,520
Speaker 3: your politicians.

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01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 2: And I like that.

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 4: Obama seemed to understand that the most. He was the

1515
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 4: most for me.

1516
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 3: That was like, no, no, no, let them heckle me

1517
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 3: and say what they need to say because what they're

1518
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 3: saying is important too, and my job is to listen

1519
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 3: to this as well. I can't just choose, Oh, I'm

1520
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 3: gonna listen to y'all because y'all already support me. And

1521
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 3: then this person comes in, It's like, what about this

1522
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 3: cause it's so passionate, I'm interrupting your speech.

1523
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 4: He's like, let them talk, you know, you know how

1524
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 4: you do, and he'll let them talk and get it

1525
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 4: out or whatever.

1526
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 3: And sometimes even his administration will pass legislation based on

1527
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 3: that person that interrupted the event.

1528
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 6: And it creates the atmosphere, right, it creates the the

1529
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 6: that movement created the atmosphere for us in New York

1530
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 6: to pass.

1531
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 5: The law enforcement reform that you did on the street

1532
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 5: level that has been on our agenda for a decade.

1533
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 6: Right, And he was like, Okay, like, we have this

1534
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 6: moment and we have the majority both in the Assembly

1535
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 6: and the Senate, both led by black people. Let's pass it, yes,

1536
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 6: And that's the atmosphere for for it to happen now

1537
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 6: again the comparison of it being during an electoral contest again,

1538
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 6: where you have talking points, small bites, you have commercials

1539
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 6: of people like if you're already ingrained in people's mind,

1540
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 6: socialism is bad, ALC is bad, Hillary is bad, or whatever,

1541
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 6: you can play to that emotion, right, you play to

1542
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 6: that emotion in a particular district, but in other people's Like,

1543
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 6: there's a line you have to you see, Lauren at

1544
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 6: no defund the police, protest unitsy whatever, she approgressive, absolutely

1545
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 6: gotta fight to the street.

1546
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 5: You like, if you question that, she wasn't right.

1547
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 6: But she also understands very closely the district that she represents,

1548
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 6: right and understands that there are some people who are

1549
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 6: not there and I still need to represent them.

1550
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 4: Especially being a NAACP. And I noticed this too.

1551
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 3: People that work on the ground, that talk to people

1552
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 3: in the community, they're much quicker to be like, there's

1553
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 3: a there's literally not a monolith here, right, you know,

1554
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 3: like onlines kind of like get down to lay down,

1555
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, defund.

1556
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 4: The police, what does it mean? Shut the fuck up?

1557
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 5: You know what?

1558
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 4: I like, it's just like we told you it mean

1559
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 4: what I said.

1560
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 3: It mean, you know, like we can just do that

1561
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 3: to somebody you're never gonna see. They don't vote for you,

1562
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 3: they don't like you don't need them in your life.

1563
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 3: You can block or unfollow them and they don't exist

1564
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 3: you as opposed to Like, here's miss Jenkins.

1565
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 4: She shows up to every monthly.

1566
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 3: Meeting that we have and she's like, I don't know

1567
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 3: about this. Defund the police. You know, I kind of

1568
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 3: would like the police they still in my from.

1569
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: My rose bushes or whatever. You like, that's a real person, now,

1570
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 4: yes it is.

1571
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 3: And so you can't just be like if you, miss Jenkings,

1572
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 3: you don't know what it mean, get the hell out

1573
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 3: on meeting, because she's been coming up for thirty years, right,

1574
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 3: So like it's that disconnect that I think it gets

1575
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 3: so strong. And like I said, here in Charlotte, we

1576
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 3: had the commercials that was like straight up, defund the police,

1577
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: mean they can rape you. That's all lot to try

1578
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 3: to untangle in thirty seconds with your with your advertisement.

1579
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 4: I'm Joe Biden. I didn't say that, like.

1580
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: You can't, you can't, you know, like there's no and

1581
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: you know, and you're catching hell from one side. It's

1582
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 3: like just say, defund the police, and you're like, I

1583
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: feel what you're saying, I will lose.

1584
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to.

1585
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 3: Tell you this. I can say it and lose nationally

1586
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 3: and you can be happy I said it, but you're

1587
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 3: gonna still blame me for losing because I let's look.

1588
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 4: At twenty sixteen.

1589
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 3: They blame Hillary Clayton for everything that would like anything

1590
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,799
Speaker 3: that did that happened.

1591
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 4: It was not the voting populace.

1592
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't misogyny, it wasn't apathy, it wasn't it wasn't

1593
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 3: you know, any media thing. It wasn't any level of

1594
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 3: voter suppression. It was like, it's no, it's your fault

1595
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: because that's what they gonna end with. So you kind

1596
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 3: of have to win no matter what. Like if you win,

1597
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: they can be mad at you won, like the way

1598
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 3: you won, but hey, I won. Now let's govern as

1599
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 3: opposed to our lost. It's still gonna be your fault.

1600
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: You know, like, oh you lost, That's why I've told

1601
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 4: you all this raggedy then like oh no.

1602
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: Like.

1603
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 6: Intellectoral politics, sometimes you lose, absolutely, yes, sometimes I mean

1604
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 6: sometimes you lose.

1605
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 5: It's just what ends up happening in terms of how

1606
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 5: the deck is stacked.

1607
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 6: Like I said, if you're in the district again where

1608
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 6: this is imply and it's it's hard to sort of

1609
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 6: beep back the narrative that's been told about.

1610
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 5: You, like a Hillary, like they had what thirty years

1611
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 5: of building up who Hillary is. There are some people

1612
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 5: who's just like they don't know why they hate Hillary

1613
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 5: all their life, so like they don't.

1614
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 4: Even remember about that super frustrating dog.

1615
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 3: Like I think it's like we're in as simulation and

1616
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 3: like they just wanted the machine, just wanted to prove

1617
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 3: to us that she lost because she's a woman. Because

1618
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 3: on every measure of like what people were coming at

1619
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 3: her for, Biden was worse, like every for what they

1620
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: came in here Hillary for specifically, like everything they like,

1621
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 3: you know, she was she said super predators and it's like, okay,

1622
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,560
Speaker 3: but he kind of constructed.

1623
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 4: That same bill. I don't know, I just like him,

1624
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 4: you know, it's just.

1625
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: You know, like you know, they were like she's too

1626
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 3: much of a policy wont and her debates are too

1627
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 3: her answers are too detailed and to this, and then

1628
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: also at the same time, she's shrill and emotional and

1629
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: it's like this dude called him a clown.

1630
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think he is a clown.

1631
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: I think it's good to call people clown sometimes. So

1632
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 3: it's like they just wanted to prove to us that,

1633
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: like a lot of this was literally just.

1634
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 4: She's a woman.

1635
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 3: I've been told she ain't shit for thirty years. I

1636
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 3: refuse to acknowledge that, you know, And of course none

1637
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:43,879
Speaker 3: of us have been programmed.

1638
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 6: People who grew up who were voting age that they

1639
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 6: grew up their entire life. They've been told Hillary is trash,

1640
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,839
Speaker 6: Hillary is a Hillary is like this or whatever, and that's.

1641
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 5: Just what you know.

1642
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 4: For the second she wore a pants suit.

1643
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 5: I remember was I was vice president that.

1644
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: They got you to. That was my fault, the Fox

1645
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 4: News and got caring bad. But that's for your tricks.

1646
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 4: I remember them being like, she wore pants suit.

1647
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 3: She not really first lady, she's the president in a

1648
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 3: in hot and it was just like, yo, they hate

1649
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 3: this white woman.

1650
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 4: She got her man cheated on her, and we ended

1651
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 4: up hating her. Like that's crazy.

1652
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 5: I tell you something. I want to admit something.

1653
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 6: So did you watch the the the thing about the fair,

1654
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 6: the Clinton affair thing or whatever.

1655
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 5: What was it on Hulu or whatever?

1656
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 3: It was.

1657
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 5: Okay, so now we're old enough we remember it, right,

1658
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 5: But I didn't.

1659
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 6: So watching it, I realized I didn't know as much

1660
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 6: as I thought I knew about it. So I was

1661
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 6: to say, like the But then I watching the thing

1662
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh no, this was the whole

1663
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 6: ass relationship like this. This wasn't like no one time

1664
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 6: in the office thing whatever like I had, like I

1665
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 6: had in my head he was bringing her back gifts

1666
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 6: from my dis vineyard and trash. I was like, I

1667
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 6: would be Hillary T and be like, no, I don't.

1668
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 4: Like we had a.

1669
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 3: Whole episode a few years ago when they revealed the

1670
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: like voicemails that she left him.

1671
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, they was talking like this

1672
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 5: was the whole ass relationship.

1673
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, these voicemails are not the voicemails.

1674
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 5: I did not know that.

1675
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 6: I thought it was like one time in the old

1676
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 6: Lake office and it was just like oh he was

1677
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 6: Predavant was like no, no, no, this is a whole

1678
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:40,480
Speaker 6: ass relationship.

1679
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 5: I feel more sympathy for Hillary on this thing, and

1680
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 5: just like now I decide.

1681
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 3: What she was like, fuck her right, And I know

1682
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: he was like you could tell from the voicemails that

1683
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 3: he had her nose wide over because she was just

1684
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 3: a young girl, so she don't know no better.

1685
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 6: He just ked there like you know, she see away

1686
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 6: from him, like in terms of manipulated. But I was

1687
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 6: just like, but this wasn't no one time kind of thing.

1688
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 6: Y'all was like bringing back gifts and making plans and trash,

1689
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 6: like just some extists.

1690
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 4: Like she's not required to like you? What's that? What's

1691
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: that about? What's that about?

1692
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 3: You know, I've watched enough episodes of cheaters to know

1693
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 3: that you ain't got to like the other woman.

1694
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 4: Okay, no we don't. I don't know who told you this,

1695
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 4: but we're not always gonna shake hands into greases. Okay,

1696
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: you knew this man was married.

1697
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 3: Okay, you saw me like here I was in the

1698
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 3: pictures in the videos and you were like, you know what,

1699
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 3: I was standing by the cigar box and you didn't say.

1700
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 5: Right, Like I was really upset.

1701
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 6: I was really I was like all this time, I

1702
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 6: thought this was just like this one thing, and then

1703
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 6: whenever and I was like, oh, why she's so mean

1704
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 6: to her?

1705
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 5: And now I just want to go to Hillary and

1706
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 5: be like we.

1707
01:25:55,240 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 4: Right, sis, that's what she needed. She just needed. We

1708
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 4: didn't even need to take this to no type of case,

1709
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 4: no impeachment.

1710
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 3: You need like three whole girls roll up to her

1711
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,799
Speaker 3: house and be like, little girl, she did what Hillary?

1712
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 4: Hold on?

1713
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 3: Hold on, that's we about to row. I know, live

1714
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 3: here's the vast held me that vasculine. What's a vacaline

1715
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: on your face?

1716
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 4: Girl? Tie your hair back.

1717
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 5: No, we got there about to fight. And you know

1718
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 5: she's a young girl. You can build them mess around

1719
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 5: and got like got her wide open.

1720
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 6: But what we're gonna do is go over here and

1721
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 6: tell her politely, right, take her little behind somewhere else.

1722
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 4: They gonna they're gonna roll up on Bill. Then I

1723
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 4: was talking about wooping ass.

1724
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, they're gonna be like what what my

1725
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 5: tennis shoes?

1726
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 4: They're gonna roll up on Bill while at.

1727
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 5: The house behind. But I was like bringing you bringing

1728
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 5: back gifts like people from Martha when you out.

1729
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 6: You on vacation with me and your daughter and you

1730
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 6: buy you going off to buy somebody some gifts.

1731
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 4: For some Hell no, it's a wild boy. It's a

1732
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 4: wild boy.

1733
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 2: Man.

1734
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 4: How you been during the pandemic?

1735
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm sure things are a little bit

1736
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 3: uh And I know New York used to be the

1737
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,839
Speaker 3: epicenter and now it's kind of come creeping back slowly.

1738
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 3: But it feels like the rest of the rest of

1739
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 3: the country caught up with where New York was in

1740
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:11,759
Speaker 3: the beginning.

1741
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 4: So how's it going for you?

1742
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 5: You know, during the heat of it, you know, we

1743
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 5: were home.

1744
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 6: We had just got two of our foster boys in February,

1745
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 6: so this was like they were with us like a

1746
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 6: month and a half before, like everything came out, and

1747
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 6: they are two and one.

1748
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 5: Oh they small.

1749
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then I was in the middle of a campaign, right,

1750
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 6: so my husband was teaching, and as he reminds me

1751
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 6: all the time, he was like, oh I do is

1752
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 6: rear your children?

1753
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 4: I was your lover and your sex.

1754
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 6: Who was remote teaching, and like the kids schedule was

1755
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 6: built around his schedule because I was like in my

1756
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 6: office with door clothes, like trying to manage a campaign

1757
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 6: and like all to the kind of stuff and until

1758
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 6: the primary was over and then you know, the the

1759
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 6: general election.

1760
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 5: So he'll never let me live that down about him

1761
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 5: rearing the children.

1762
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 4: Just slap.

1763
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 3: Slap, slap them, Ona, but get back in the kitchen,

1764
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 3: just like, good job, take shoes off and get back

1765
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 3: in the kitchen and make me something to eat. Don't

1766
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: make me get up on my desk. That's all you

1767
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 3: gotta tell me. That's what can tell me.

1768
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 4: It works.

1769
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 5: Mama's family. Yeah, so it was, so it was.

1770
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 6: It was definitely very stressful, very hard in terms of

1771
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 6: managing all of that. When we kept in touch with

1772
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 6: the daycare that we were using, which is like a

1773
01:28:58,840 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 6: home based daycare.

1774
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 5: So when she finally open, she only opened with five kids, and.

1775
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 6: She was like, oh, I'm having a slot where you

1776
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 6: Literally the day she said that she was open, they

1777
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 6: opened at five.

1778
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 5: We was like he was around the course seventy like.

1779
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 6: Cheer like they.

1780
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 5: Take them, please, hood the hood.

1781
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 6: Just like we love them and we love the littles

1782
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 6: and yes, you know, like engaging with them, but it's

1783
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 6: just like, but please take them for just.

1784
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 5: A couple of hours, LL be back.

1785
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1786
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing parents are in the pandemic, man,

1787
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: like you love your kids, but like we still have

1788
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 3: built into your day, like they go to school, they

1789
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 3: go to a city, and for a lot of people

1790
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 3: that had to go away, I saw.

1791
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 4: One of the reasons that I'm not.

1792
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 3: I understand and I get why people, you know, get

1793
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 3: upset about it, But I understand the need for school.

1794
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 3: When people are like, I do need some kind of

1795
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 3: school for these kids, They're not saying it out of

1796
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: a like because I just don't care if they get

1797
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: the coronavirus. They're saying it out of like cause it's

1798
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 3: this or I'm gonna go insane, Like if you just

1799
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 3: get a small break where it was safe and I

1800
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 3: knew they were okay, and they come back home and

1801
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 3: they're say, I just need that.

1802
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 4: Because I have a job. I have things I need

1803
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 4: to do, even when you're working for.

1804
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 6: A point, yeah, and that's the point in terms that

1805
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 6: people are missing is just like you're doing all of

1806
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 6: that while also working right. And there was a part

1807
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 6: that like even in some companies and some work folks,

1808
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 6: people who had traditional jobs, you know that I was listening,

1809
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 6: you know, engaging with, and people were like their traditional

1810
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,560
Speaker 6: job was treating us like this was no different. And

1811
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 6: I was like, you can't be like treating us like

1812
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 6: this is some normal situation. Like you can't expect people

1813
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 6: to be on call nine to five when they also

1814
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 6: need to like be with their kid on school. It's

1815
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 6: just like, I just get me to work, like when

1816
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 6: you can get it like done, and also lower your

1817
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 6: expectations on what actually can get done from from remotely

1818
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 6: in this place, because I don't have the benefit of

1819
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 6: being complete disconnected when I'm home, particularly if I have

1820
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 6: both working parents who are both working.

1821
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,560
Speaker 5: And I got three kids and I got you know,

1822
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 5: like people.

1823
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 6: You know, it's different, you know, and I don't think

1824
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 6: a lot of companies kind of realized that, and parents

1825
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 6: were getting burnt out and acting like, you know, nothing

1826
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 6: was happening.

1827
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 3: Now.

1828
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 5: I don't even I didn't even started stopped apologizing.

1829
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 6: When I would be on zooms or things like that

1830
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 6: and the kids would like walk in or ask me

1831
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 6: for something whatever, I'd just be like, you know, and

1832
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 6: they'd be like, oh, oh joy a minute.

1833
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 5: I was like, no, she's just gonna be.

1834
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 6: Here's what's next on the girl Like, I'm not apologizing,

1835
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 6: I'm home, kids are here, let's.

1836
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 4: Go, let's go. Everybody everybody knows. Everybody knows.

1837
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like I cass twenty two because two

1838
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 2: things happened. Number One, you had more mothers. They they said,

1839
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 2: this is the women's pandemic. You have more mothers get

1840
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 2: out of the workforce because of this. Someone will force

1841
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: and someone was just like, I can't handle it too.

1842
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 2: You got parents that go, I don't know what the

1843
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what my child is doing, and I'm

1844
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 2: not equipped to help them with any questions. We're trying

1845
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 2: to get online may or may not be able to

1846
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,440
Speaker 2: get online even if everything's up and functioning.

1847
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 5: So for a lot of parents, it's.

1848
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Very difficult to get over that hurdle of me not

1849
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 2: being able to help because you know, they got that

1850
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 2: new math.

1851
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 5: My generation don't know nothing about that new math. So

1852
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 5: you know you have some parents like I'm not nonhing

1853
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 5: no new math. You better put that one up there

1854
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 5: and drag it down the figure. And we got the

1855
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 5: same answer, and that becomes a problem.

1856
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 6: Ye Now, my husband and I like our kindergarten. So

1857
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 6: the five year old, like some of her worksheets were

1858
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 6: like reading in the description and like why did they write.

1859
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 5: This this way?

1860
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 6: This doesn't even make any sense. If you wanted to

1861
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 6: just draw line between the circles, just put draw line

1862
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 6: between the equal circle, Like why you gotta do all

1863
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 6: these extra sentences.

1864
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 3: Like it's so bad that if I looked on the

1865
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 3: camera and seen a little kid crossing Karen's desk, I

1866
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't even question it.

1867
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 4: I just be like, I mean, somebody'll take care of

1868
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 4: the baby's day. Everywhere right now, everywhere?

1869
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 3: Now? Also, you know, because I know we're gone for

1870
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 3: a while and I'm gonna wrap up.

1871
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 4: You know, I know you're very busy woman.

1872
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 3: But before we get out of here, does your husband

1873
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:13,839
Speaker 3: still have that anime collection?

1874
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 4: And are y'all still selling it?

1875
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 5: Or is it?

1876
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 4: He decided to keep it, babe, so.

1877
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 5: So he gave the age appropriate ones to one of

1878
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 5: my nephews.

1879
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 3: Okay, the rest of the stuff is still here, Okay,

1880
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 3: all right, all right, I was just wondering, you know, no, uh, no,

1881
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 3: no reason that it's just wondering.

1882
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 4: Well, l joy listen. It's always a pleasure to catch

1883
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 4: up with you, mate.

1884
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: I'll never forget when we the DNC was in Charlotte

1885
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 3: and we came in and fell recorded, uh to me,

1886
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 3: the best episode of twelve that has never been listened

1887
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 3: to by people before, because I think Elon lost the

1888
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 3: recording and it was crazy. Elroy was like, I'm out,

1889
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 3: I gotta go do some DNC stuff and I'm going

1890
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 3: to see the president.

1891
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 4: I don't know about y'all. Right, Kevin from the Real

1892
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 4: World showed up. It was crazy. It was crazy, y'all.

1893
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 4: Y'all just don't even have to be there.

1894
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 3: But I remember we sat eight chicken wings and talked

1895
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 3: to l Joy at the bar and it was like,

1896
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 3: you know, you're such a genuine fun person and stuff,

1897
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 3: but we appreciate you taking the time out and look

1898
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 3: we did it.

1899
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 4: Okay, next time, we will not wait eight years to

1900
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 4: ask you back. Okay. I promised that I.

1901
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 6: Had y'all on my show about like your first civic

1902
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 6: action earlier.

1903
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 5: Yes, so you'll have to think about it. I have

1904
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 5: to think about a way to bring you all back

1905
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 5: in this next year as well.

1906
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, And like I said, love you.

1907
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 3: Love June in the chat, she's always rapping for Sunday

1908
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 3: Civics and she's always like whenever we do a show.

1909
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 4: Like at ten, she'd be like, I'm gonna be back.

1910
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 4: I gotta go do my Sunday Civics and then I'm

1911
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 4: coming back, and I'm like, absolutely understand.

1912
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 3: So you know, you just surround yourself with great people

1913
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 3: and continue to be a great person and for you

1914
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 3: so thank you for all the work that you're doing here.

1915
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 5: I love you, guys, you too.

1916
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 3: Until tomorrow, well I'm sure we'll talk about a bunch

1917
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 3: of other stuff.

1918
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 4: Okay, got a bunch of news. I love you