WEBVTT - The NFL Combine 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.200 Steve Smith Senior and I'm John And this is cut 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.600 to it. Good do it, Good do it. They's getting 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.919 down to do it. Good do it. We asked the 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.880 questions you always want to know, but no one ever asked, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:29.600 Let's cut to it. You ain't heard am about it? 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:39.800 Then we're about to let you know. It's all. Hey, 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.879 what's going on? Cut to a fans. We have a 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.400 special podcast. Just wanted to take the opportunity. Uh. Chris 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:52.000 Widman uh is on here. Uh. Then also backstage, Joe, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.000 you know you got g still in the building as usual. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.720 And then we've got a special guest, uh my daughter Bailey, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.600 uh snitching and telling all the stories of of of 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.280 her being uh my my my only daughter. Um, but 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.720 take an opportunity to talk to Chris using the UFC 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.640 and also just his perspective on the You got the 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.760 NFL combine coming up, um, and there's a lot of 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.280 things about the combine is good. There's some question marks, um, 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.600 just like anything else. If you're saying, hey, question mark, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.320 what do you mean a question mark? Just trying to 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:31.800 figure out how much of the combine is really usable tangible. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.680 We'll see. So I hope you enjoy it. Thanks for listening, 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.399 and I also enjoy this little conversation with my daughter 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:49.080 as well. So this is gonna be fun. Jee, How 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.040 you doing? Man? We have a guest in the house. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.480 Let me introduce her. Me me, me, me, me me, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:07.480 Harry Aint Harry, Harry A here you here? I got 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:12.960 my daughter A K. Bailey Jordan's a K b j 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:18.480 a K Bay Hope it's are you doing bad? What's 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.040 going on? Nothing like you come on and snitch on? Pops. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.760 I don't know what there's a sitch about? You are good? 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.120 All right? How is it being my child? It really 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.440 depends on the day, do too? Um? Some days are great. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.800 Some days well it's different now since I don't live 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.720 at home, but what I did live at home, I 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.920 feel like it would be a little tiptoe and sometimes 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.720 but oh for all I mean, it's good tiptoe, go 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:49.359 go in the detail on this tiptoe. You know, I'm 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.440 very open on this because this is it's a great 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.840 it's a unique. I think sometimes one perspective, but it's 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.520 a because from a father I'm a dad. Yeah, she's 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.880 a child. The serial thing is a really good example. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.800 So we live in this house and we had a 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.640 like a home theater. And how old was I like 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:16.560 eight or nine? Maybe? Or was I younger? Probably? Probably? Okay, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.040 So it was it was probably like a Sunday. I 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.239 think my mom was out of town. I don't know 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.240 where she was, but we were getting ready to watch 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.760 Miss Doubt Fire and I was like, and I was like, Dad, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.080 can I go get some cereal? But give the backstory 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.400 on why you had to ask to bring food in. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:36.000 So she's a spiller. Now, yeah, I spilled. And and 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.040 when I bring stuff in places that aren't the kitchen, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.000 I don't bring them back down. So like he would 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.560 come up my room when I was in high school 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:53.120 and be like cups downstairs? Okay, I would have like 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.080 five cups on my nights. Stay, don't make me pop you. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.680 How many cups did we find in your vehicle? Of 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.440 from like we have? You know, it's being a sports guy. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.560 You know, you get free stuff all the time. You 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.600 get bottles, right, you get a water bottle for under arm, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.920 a water bottle from Rebok, a water bottle from here. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.000 Everybody wanna throw a water water bottle for the foundation. Okay, okay, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.039 but before you say this, let me preface. I am 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.080 not a hoarder. No, you're not a hoarder. No one 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:25.680 accused me. I just want to say, because there were 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:31.200 seventeen water bottles in my car, bro I'm not a hoarder. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:39.039 But it just water bottles in her car. Some of 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.440 them still had liquidin them. Yeah, because I'll like bring 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.560 one to school, leaving in my car and then the 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.240 next day get a new one and then I just 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:51.159 never brought any in. Okay, she'll continue with this. Okay, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.320 So it's like, Dad, can I bring some cereal while 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.000 we watched a movie? And He's like, oh, yeah, of course. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.200 So before that you gotta understand, you know, I'm a 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.280 snack guy. I'm a snack kind of sewer. Actually, yeah, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.679 I like some snaps, especially when you're watching the movie. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.760 And this we had this theater room was over one 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.640 of the garages, so it was to two car garage, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.760 so it was there was a big theater room, right 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.440 mistaken in building a house. But it was a theater 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:23.960 room with steps motorized. Yeah, and I had to walk 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.360 up the stairs to get back there. So like, imagine, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.840 don't even try. Don't believe victim. Now, I'm just saying 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.560 that she said what I'm saying. I see where you're 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.240 coming from. Like, okay, cool. So she goes downstairs, comes 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.080 upstairs with the cereal. So I bring a bowl of 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.480 cereal up there. I'm walking in about to go get comfortable. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.320 He stops me before I go down the stairs to 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.159 gain my seat. He goes, I said something about cereal. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.400 I say nothing about no milk, Like, how are you 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:58.400 gonna eat Syria without milk? I'm with him on that thought. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:05:59.880 With the kids with the milk, they're not how to 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.599 go anywhere with the milk in the cereal. If they 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.120 just have the cereal, we can talk. But if they 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.279 have the milk in the ball with the cereal, there're 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.279 staying on the on that kitchen table. Chris says, the 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:10.960 milk goes the milk. First of all, if you if 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.400 you have a problem with keeping your containers in areas 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.120 for a long period of time and it has milk 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.880 in it, that's gonna that's gonna stink, that's gonna be nasty. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.520 So you can't have you know, old milk containers. You know, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.240 hanging out of your room for too long. It's all right, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.400 I'm not judging you. I've done No, I'm not judging you. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.720 I'm just I'm just I'm with him. I'm on the 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.200 side right now. As a child, I've been there. But 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.679 as a father, you know what's the worst thing, finding 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:44.599 fruit and milk or anything that has milk inside of it. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.880 Discovering that in a secret place or in a car 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.039 that has been sitting heat in the heat, not for 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:57.240 some hours, some days or weeks. It is it since 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.080 a rage in you as a father, that when that 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.400 child is not there, you are saying things that you 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:08.000 should be ashamed of yourself of saying milk in my car. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.320 I don't drink milk, first of all, that's nasty. And 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.440 my kids, the smallest, I'll always find some stuff like 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.480 milk shakes. Milk shakes they leave in the back of 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.800 my car, and the little cup holders I'd never look at, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.240 and so they'll be it'll be like on the door 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.360 side door, within the little cup holders, and I'll find 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:27.560 it like days litter. How uh twelve just turned twelve, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:33.440 nine and six? Yeah, back to the garage one time. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.720 That's another good story. He got very mad at me. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:43.320 I can imagine she broke the garage. Oh my gosh, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.000 that's a problem. I don't know anyone that's gonna be 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.400 congratula after that. Would you ask her why did she 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:53.920 back into the garage? I think you just actually there's 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:58.080 actually I wouldn't say it's valid. But so, you know, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.920 my little brother he's seven at the time, he was 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.920 probably like four or five, and he had a scooter 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.120 he left in the garage in my spot and I 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.000 had to, you know, like do this little thing where 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.680 I would around it. So I was diagonal in the 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.920 garage a little bit. I was late going to work. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.960 I was behind going to work, and I went to 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.200 back up forgetting I was I toward that thing up 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.560 like it was bad. I wouldn't side. I was like, 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.240 he was like, what comes outside? Why would you do? 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.600 I was like that, and I'm still late for work, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.160 so I'm like trying to rush him being mad Spike work, 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:49.600 and of course, of course the friendship six minutes at 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.040 that point. Yeah, and the garage gets fixed the next 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:53.960 day and I'm riding around with the dint in my 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.920 car for the next like it's a couple of months 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.480 there was a couple and then finally I was like 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.120 I had enough money to be like Dad, like, if 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.640 I have have the money, will you go the other 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.120 have to get my car fixed. He was like yeah, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.400 that's fine because he was like if you come with 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.840 me with what, you're gonna hold up to your end 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.480 of the bargain, like I'll help you out. And I 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.800 was like, okay, that makes sense. But I was my 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.560 friends even be like I don't know it's your car 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.520 anymore because you don't have that d it. I'm like, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.520 oh man, well you know what we need to have 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.000 you on here more. I learned from the best great voice. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:36.600 I don't think you all right, Well, good job beach. Alright, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.199 what do you What do you think about the combine 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.880 from from a uh, you know, your football fanatic, your 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.920 football guy played high school ball, but um what do 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.160 you see the combine? And don't show me I played 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.319 flying football in the mirrors in college. Don't show you know. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:06.959 Let's apologize like five picks. Hold y'all didn't have me. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.640 That's my point. We had a real flag football. That's 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.360 my point. We have a football. Did you have girls 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.280 on the team? No, that was all guys. I don't 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.240 respect if you don't have girls on that why because 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:25.439 comingo brother, it's all yeah talking about together. What do 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:26.600 you what do you? What do you? What do you 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.800 think about just the process of the of the combine. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.960 I mean it's uh in totality when you think about 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.320 the whole draft. In this whole process relatively new, you 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.600 get a chance to see how fast some one is 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.120 in in some relation, how strong they are, um, how 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.520 high they can jump. So all these intangibles that are 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.200 that are measured measurable tangibles. Okay, there's so much that 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.520 goes into playing football, basketball, whatever sport that are immeasurable 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.840 that you don't get a chance to see. So in 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.440 in that standpoint, I think it's cool to where all right, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.640 we can see how many times he rapped you and 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.360 see how high you your vertical is, and and those 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.560 are cool. I'm always of the mindset like even and 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:13.640 this maybe tails into conversation like alignment running forty yard dash? 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.319 What is that telling me about him? Right? Like he 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.000 how many linemen do we see making a forty yard birst? 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.360 Hopefully not a lot because something we're wrong every single 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:29.400 time something. So that's kind of where I'm at or 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.840 you know, shuttle drill. Right, that's very I would rather 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.120 see what alignment does in that because that's more so 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.480 their movement. So I'm more intrigued to hear your perspective 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.160 of of the combine, what its usefulness is. It's up 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.280 and down? Yeah, I haven't. I think it's up and 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.760 down just because of I think sometimes they put too 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.840 much emphasis absolutely on the combine and they give a 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.239 false narrative to people. Right, I don't think the combine 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.920 helps It helps some people, and it fills in the 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.120 gaps of what scouts may not know. Right, you gotta 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.840 think about it. All these colleges, it is physically impossible 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:15.319 covid no covid um scouts, even college scouts are also 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:21.120 scouting professional teams too for possible free agents. So it's 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:27.679 it's a constant scouting department measurables that are constantly moving. Right, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.079 what do you if if you have scouting in UFC, 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.720 what do you think it would be and how and 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.559 how those numbers equate to a successful UFC fighter. So 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.960 I don't think you'd be able to have a combine 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.760 the way the NFL. I just I just taught using 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.240 a combine concept for for UFC fighters, you would have 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.240 you would have to look at the like they're how 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.760 good they are in competition when it comes to if 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.719 you can look at each art individually, so you look 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.200 at Brazilian jiu jitsu, then you look at boxing. What 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:01.040 what did jujitsu for UFC look like gonna combine? What 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.880 would you need measurables in that too? I think you 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.720 would need another guy to be competing with to see 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.840 where someone's at. Like so when they did the tryouts 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.040 for the Ultimate Fighter show back in the day, and 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.360 I think they still do it, they would have you 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.199 and another guy do some prison in jiu jitsu. Then 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.240 they would have you so they'd watch how good you 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.319 are with the submission in the ground game, and then 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.200 they would have put you on the pads and they'd 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.320 have some you know, kickboxing coach hole pass you. So 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.360 they kind of get a good idea. What hands are 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.920 that same thing for linement or d linement? You know, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.679 swim moves against it, hitting the guy to get around 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.120 to sack the quarterback. But do they measure that in 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.960 the combine the man they measure everything. What do they 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:44.480 do they measure like speed or they measure hands size, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.800 they measure, they measure you know, they do e K 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.520 g s. They do physical measurements of heart health, you 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:56.000 know wellness. Um. Then they measure hand size, they measure 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:06.120 a wingspan. Um, they measure uh five size calf kneecap. Um. Wait, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.200 they have you take your shirt off and you're just 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.040 in shorts and they take a picture of your front 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:16.240 and backwards. Um. Then there's a right up on various 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.640 scouts that have seen you throughout the year. It's a 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.920 lot of statements that contradict themselves. Doesn't get in and 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.840 out of breaks. But then one guy says has a 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.760 has has a fifth gear on. The guy says he's 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.240 missing a third gear. Um, I'm not, you know, a mathematician, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.720 but you gotta get to get the five. You gotta 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.760 go through three. Right. But then you got your you 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.520 got your broad jumps, you got you got your broad jump. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.280 Bench press. I didn't bench press. Um, so you could 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.640 just say I'm not doing this one. I just I 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.920 just didn't do it. Like, first of all, when are 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:52.840 you on your back pushing up somebody unless you're getting smashed? Right? 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:57.160 Are you getting mushed? I mean the bench pressed by 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.800 the design of the of the actual exercise is supposed 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.000 to as you're how strong you are from a core perspective. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.640 But to your point, which I agree with, it doesn't 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:13.120 show like there are people who can rep out and 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.800 didn't play, you know, and then there are guys like 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.560 I remember Tyron Matthew when he did the bench, but 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.560 he did like six times. It's a great safety pretty 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.360 so what does it measure at the end of the day. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.200 And I'm not saying I'm against it again, it's it's 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.920 a it's a barometer of how strong you are, but 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.920 it doesn't tell the whole story. What's more important though, Like, 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.280 so you've got a guy who's a star college athletes, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.720 star college kid, and he looks like he has all 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.960 this potential, but then he goes into the combine and 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:47.320 he's mediocre. Whether it's athletic or academic. Right, some people 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.800 are very smart, but they didn't have a great or 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.920 some people don't handle pressure, you know, some people don't. Yeah, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.160 you take a two, three or four year career when 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.400 you have accolades and you have game film and everything 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.760 going through it, and you condense it down into a 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.320 one or two day process, you know, I go back 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.240 to when you ran the forty. I know you were 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.880 a little bit slower than you know you could have 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.400 four four I was four four one, And you know 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.800 you are faster than that. You've ran faster than that 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.000 I've ran. I've ran faster than that at the team 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.120 facility four three one. That's the fastest I've ever run, right, 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:27.000 but realistically, right, and let's use this if we look 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.240 at the combine, right, and we look at just pure numbers. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.360 John Ross from Universital of Washington came out. He ran 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:44.400 the closest to the second fastest time ever. So fast, yes, right, 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.200 so fast that the Bengals moved up and picked him up. 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.000 Think about it, when are you gonna ever run that fast? 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.360 How many times in the game are you running up? 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.600 Are you running the nine? Actually? For him zbro I, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:05.000 he didn't play lasting speed like how often are you 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:11.200 just running straight? Dator? Actually it's a great indicator. DK 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.280 metcalf is a great example of a guy who he 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.600 looks like a Greek guy. He's unbelievable so much that 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:23.480 he tested off the charts, bench pressed so much wearing 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:28.639 crop tops great athletes. He wears a shirt the dude 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:36.359 if I look like him. Remarkable, remarkable. I'm not joking. However, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.720 they had this young man at the count at the 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.840 draft because of his measurables, he was a guaranteed first rounder. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.400 The way they was talking, he invented the wide receiver position. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:54.320 In my life, this brother gonna make He's running twenty 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.520 two miles per hour and track down the guy. But 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:04.359 yet he didn't get drafted ahead of a J. Brown, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.679 who's a pro bowler, some of these other guys, and 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.280 I'm not putting them down, but I'm just also saying 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:13.400 that DK Metcalf because of his measurables at the combine, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.240 he became this superstar that actually before he even played. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.000 I'm not saying he's not a superstar, but I'm also 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.840 saying that he did not. He did not invent the 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.640 wide receiver position. They're still they're still routes to this day. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.720 This young man can't run. When the Seattle Seahawks and 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.199 Russell Wilson need to play, do you think they go 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.760 to DK metcal They go to Tyler Locke because that 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:40.840 man has a PhD and route running either. There's no 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.080 route he cannot run. Now, if you're talking about a 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.680 push off slant, a muscle slant push off, or a 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.919 muscle hitch and a go route and a deep post. 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.399 DK is my guy. But if you want a technician, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.520 a surgeon, you need somebody to do some work, better 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.280 go to Tyler Lockins. And Tyler did not have the 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.919 measurable that DK has because I think at some point 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:13.760 there's only scientifically, there's only so many tests you can take. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.800 There's so many gray areas you can fill in. You 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.719 have to be able to know the game inside out 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.240 and from the head and shoulders, because at some point, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.760 your athletic SAYSM will leave you. So if you're working 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.680 in the front office, you take off the analyst hat 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.960 and you were working, you're working in that realm, what 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.960 would you draw out of scouting come By? Now, Well, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:40.119 it's funny because I go backwards and I look about 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.880 three or four years ago. There was a guy, little 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:50.280 Caucasian dude, first name Cooper, last name come I was 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.840 considered an idiot because I said how good he was. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.480 People said, Steve's an idiot. What does he know? There 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.960 hasn't been I guess fifth fift in ten or twelve 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.480 years ago. There hasn't been a triple Crown winner since 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:11.000 since two thousand in sixteen, there hasn't been a triple 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.840 Crown winner and then yet now Cooper Cup It's triple 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:19.760 Crown winner. Do just a square out of Eastern Washington 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.000 who almost gave a football? Thanks for listening to my 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.239 dad and talked a lot. He loves to talk. Just 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:34.960 give him a minute and he'll be right back. I 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.080 love cut to It, and I love it even more 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.560 when you download us and subscribe, and you can follow 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.720 us on social media too, Smithie, where where at? That's at? 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:50.000 Cut to It on Instagram? What about Twitter? At? Cut 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.679 to It? Facebook? Cut to It featuring Steve Smith sing 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.159 your what about online? And you can follow us at 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.280 cut to It podcast dot com where you can by 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.200 merch and you can subscribe to this wherever you listen 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.560 to podcasts. I got all my answers questions, Um, yeah, 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.960 I got all my questions answered. That's what I'm here for, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.600 a brother, cut to a podcast dot com. How do 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.320 you scout out your opponent? Chris? What do you look at? 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.920 What attributes do you look at outside of what a 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:28.280 normal fan like? Oh man, he's big, he's he's muscular. 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.959 Oh he'sh man. You know, he's his colifilower ears are 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:33.879 a little it's a little bit more colifiled than the 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:40.000 next guy. Man. A lot, a lot comes down to 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.399 each each situation. So you see how he is in 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.200 the clinch, which is like an overrun the position, and 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.000 you see the different types of movies he's done in 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:48.960 his fice before, and you kind of get an idea 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:50.840 of what he's good at, what he's comfortable with, what 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.560 he's confident in. And then it's either you realize that 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.920 you he might be better than than you there or 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.639 you're better than him there, and then you kind of 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.840 adjust based on that. That kind of goes for all 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.639 the different skill sets. Uh. You watch how how they 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.199 react to pressure. You how how that cardio holds up 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.600 under pressure. Um, if you've seen them break before, you 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:16.520 know they have a breaking point. Um. Yeah. So those 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.359 are pretty much the you know, making a long story short, 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.560 that's pretty much it. So when you see the combine, 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.760 how do you apply what you're watching to say that 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.879 this is gonna be a good player based on what 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.520 you're saying, do you have a combine? Do you need one? 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.280 Or is it better just to see these guys play 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.760 out in college, which is unfair for the people who 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:37.840 aren't on the big stage. Right. So, but see that's 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.000 the that's the part of it connects the dots. It 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.560 should compliment what you already Yes, but but but I 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:48.080 think sometimes it short changes people. How so, well, think 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.159 about this. I look at the combine now and I 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.720 watched the playoffs. Did you see anything about Deebo Samuel's 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.880 prior to the combine, prior to last year? This year, 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.240 like they're playing Deebo Sammy is all the next superstar. 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.879 They were playing Deebo Samuel was like seven months ago. No, 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.359 but watching him play what a young man named Deebo. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.760 First of all, right, there's that ball and then there's Debo. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.120 The combine helps some of these young guys who are 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:24.440 not looked at. But then the guys who actually are 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.000 looked at, they don't really perform in a combine because 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:32.840 they don't want to risk yeah, dropping down two pegs 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.480 right in two pegs, man, he may be between the first, 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.800 the first and the third. He doesn't test well like uh, 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.440 like a great example, man, third round pick. I think 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.159 he end up be in the third round. Or Orlando 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:49.320 Brown Jr. So him. I was, I was. I was 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.400 hard on him because he was not He was out 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.960 of shape, wasn't prepared. But man in Baltimore and in 0:23:56.040 --> 0:24:02.160 Kansas City man he covered Lamar and Patrick Mahomes backside. 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.600 But if you look at his testing, he was out 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:10.359 of shape, he wasn't prepared, and the combine actually didn't 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.879 help it. It hurt him because it showed some of 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:23.080 the things that the Scouter report said about him. Family, business, privileged, 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:28.000