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Speaker 1: Here for the next forty five minutes, give or take.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillipson for Bill Jones, Everson Walls borrowing my pen
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick, real quick. Reat Micky Spagnola's in
Speaker 1: my right, Kyle. Producing hope to get Bill back to morrow.
Speaker 1: But we've still got cowboys and rams to talk about today.
Speaker 1: It took you guys a while to get here. Man,
Speaker 1: when I'm first, When I'm here first, that is a
Speaker 1: scary thing because I'm always the late guy. That was
Speaker 1: a press conference, Mick, that ran longer than we expected
Speaker 1: it did. It started a little later than expected with
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. Yes, so yeah, I think the combination of that.
Speaker 1: We weren't late. We just came down and when we
Speaker 1: were finished, Hey, I was I was about to start
Speaker 1: the show man, I was about big trouble. I'm about
Speaker 1: to start the show. Still, Everson Walls times right ready
Speaker 1: to kick off this show man. I saw it was
Speaker 1: a too after. I still putting my headphones on. I
Speaker 1: was ready to go. He's got he's got the badge,
Speaker 1: and now you wanted to lead the show over see
Speaker 1: the gauntlet upstairs when I came in out right, high
Speaker 1: five of me. He's a Ficial's official. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: is official, and we're official, and we've got some you know,
Speaker 1: we still got a matchup to talk about today. We
Speaker 1: can take your phone calls as well. Haven't done that
Speaker 1: in a few days. Eight five five to two ninety
Speaker 1: seven is the number anybody happy out there? I've never
Speaker 1: have we ever received a phone coin. We haven't since
Speaker 1: you've come on. We've just kind of that's bad sign. No,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't. We didn't need any fillery, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, we're just just established in that chemistry,
Speaker 1: you know, keeping them. We'll get this something today. If
Speaker 1: you guys want to chime in, I'm sure there's plenty
Speaker 1: to talk about. Cowboys six and seven Rams, eight and
Speaker 1: five Rams trying to get a wildcard spot. Cowboys trying
Speaker 1: to sense this NFC East up and stop a second
Speaker 1: three game losing streak. Huh, it's been a while since
Speaker 1: they've kind of been in this situation, which which team,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys being six and seven, not only that, with
Speaker 1: the potential. Yes, they've never been in this position with
Speaker 1: the potential they have and still be in this position.
Speaker 1: Usually if we're talking about the three game lose and streaked,
Speaker 1: then we're talking about them chan Gaily team. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to go back to twenty fifteen when they
Speaker 1: lost Tony Romo for what twelve of the sixteen games
Speaker 1: and didn't really have a suitable backup, And oh that
Speaker 1: was you know, I forgot those years fifteen, I forgot
Speaker 1: that those games. I forgot those games. Is I tried
Speaker 1: to put that in my mind. That was we had
Speaker 1: a carousale of oh quarterbacks, Yeah, yeah, Mark Sanchez, Matt Castle,
Speaker 1: Brandon Weed. And you know what, if you go back
Speaker 1: and look at that season, they lost a lot of
Speaker 1: close games. They were in some games and lost them,
Speaker 1: and that kind of reminds you of this team, except
Speaker 1: these last two games haven't been so close. That's been
Speaker 1: the difference and what's funny about this Jason Garretts press
Speaker 1: conference just now. There were some talk about the Rams
Speaker 1: and the matchups, and we did some of that yesterday.
Speaker 1: We can do it today. The storyline of the big
Speaker 1: rematch from the playoffs, we're not really talking about that
Speaker 1: because of the the situation this team's in and the
Speaker 1: Rams are scrapping two. I mean, you know that this
Speaker 1: is not this doesn't feel like a big heavyweight rematch
Speaker 1: that we've talked about because it's more about these teams
Speaker 1: individual struggles, issues and trying to dig out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and kind of the disparity of records now and they're
Speaker 1: sitting there at eight and five and you're sitting there
Speaker 1: at six and seven on a three game losing streak.
Speaker 1: They're on a two game winning streak, and I think
Speaker 1: three of four Cowboys have lost four or five. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that minimized the attention on um, you know
Speaker 1: how big this game I guess could have been. It
Speaker 1: is big. It is big, big for both teams at
Speaker 1: this point, but we expected both teams to be at
Speaker 1: a much better level. Yes, we were looking at these
Speaker 1: two teams possibly before the San Francisco uprising. We expected
Speaker 1: these two teams probably to be in the championship game,
Speaker 1: and as they think, you're exactly right, and you know,
Speaker 1: and they're like one game difference from being one game apart,
Speaker 1: right if you think about it, they both kind of
Speaker 1: not played to the level they played last year, at
Speaker 1: least to this point. But you know, the Rams fans,
Speaker 1: they're feeling a little bit better what's going on than
Speaker 1: we are. Yeah, especially I mean two straight wins. Defenses
Speaker 1: played markedly better with Jalen Ramsey. I think since he's
Speaker 1: gotten there, they've I think they've given up more than
Speaker 1: seventeen points once. It seems like that's when they're turned
Speaker 1: around actually started, and that's that's seeing a lot for
Speaker 1: a cornerback. You know. He kind of injected a little
Speaker 1: bit of He seems to be one of those guys
Speaker 1: in the locker room that would come in and say, hey,
Speaker 1: everybody waked the hell up. You know, he would seem
Speaker 1: like he's that guy. Did you see the uh the
Speaker 1: training camp entrance that he had loved it? Mick wanted
Speaker 1: to do that himself and Oxnard with the brink struck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see when we have a contract like you
Speaker 1: had great truck. Hey, listen, if I would have done that,
Speaker 1: I would have that was more of a ghetto type
Speaker 1: of entrance, you know what I'm saying. If I was
Speaker 1: gonna do it, you gotta go all the way out.
Speaker 1: I would have come here. I would been dressed to
Speaker 1: the nines. You had a top head on right, looking
Speaker 1: like mister Monopoly or somebody. Yeah, you come in. You
Speaker 1: gotta come in with the bags of money, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta have a gauntlet of beautiful ladies. You know
Speaker 1: that you can kind of they'll be dancing on the side,
Speaker 1: cheerleaders or something like that, and you go down that
Speaker 1: little that little little you know, our way there, and
Speaker 1: you know, while they're chanting your name, you know, something
Speaker 1: like that. But then if you're gonna do it, you
Speaker 1: gotta do it like that. That was kind of low.
Speaker 1: That was kind of low for somebody talking about having
Speaker 1: so much money. That was really kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: a low income advertisement. How you think Tom would have
Speaker 1: reacted to the Brings truck pulling up in Thousand Oaks? Oh, Tom,
Speaker 1: First of all time, it depends on who it was time.
Speaker 1: It just turned his back. I can act like it
Speaker 1: wasn't there just like he did, like you could be
Speaker 1: a broken leg doing practice and Tom be like, oh,
Speaker 1: can we just move it down, you know, out of
Speaker 1: the way. So yeah, I can remember that. I don't
Speaker 1: think the needle moved that one summer when Tony kind
Speaker 1: of held out a little bit and then showed up
Speaker 1: late and everybody was standing outside waiting for him outside
Speaker 1: that dorm to show up, and he pulls up and
Speaker 1: you know, it was like the king just got out
Speaker 1: of the car and yeah, Tom, I don't even think
Speaker 1: he even mentioned it, right, Okay, you're ready to go
Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, It's just it was so minded tone
Speaker 1: everything about him when you just didn't expect much. The
Speaker 1: only person that really shocked and probably was John Dunton.
Speaker 1: You remember John, Yes, Yeah, John John. I think John
Speaker 1: was the only person that scared that Tom Lantry. Everybody
Speaker 1: else he was okay with it. You got all these
Speaker 1: you got too tall, you got Harvey, you got Ranned,
Speaker 1: all these monster mammoth guys. But John Dutton it was
Speaker 1: the guy that actually scared Tim. Tom acted like he
Speaker 1: didn't hear John every morning when John and you heard,
Speaker 1: yeah you heard John every more has a big baritone voice.
Speaker 1: I think it was the voice that scared Tom more
Speaker 1: than it was. Those are the days when you know,
Speaker 1: you just tried to see how much you can shock him?
Speaker 1: How much could you shot Tom? And then that was
Speaker 1: the thing, how much can we shock Hi him? We
Speaker 1: never did. Brink Struck would have done it. Nobody, Nobody
Speaker 1: did that back then. That was a you know, that
Speaker 1: was a message to the Jags. He wanted to get
Speaker 1: paid Ramsel, pay Ramsey at some point, I would assume,
Speaker 1: and he has had an impact on their defense. Um
Speaker 1: what else from Jason injuries you want to get to
Speaker 1: sounded like dat. They're fine with the functioning both hands,
Speaker 1: even though he had some tape on his On his
Speaker 1: right hand, he sprained that index finger uh in the game,
Speaker 1: but sounded like he threw the ball well from and
Speaker 1: from what I heard, he did, so I think that's good.
Speaker 1: Um Sean Lee, he showed up on the injury port
Speaker 1: with a a peck and a thigh and uh he
Speaker 1: did not practice Yeah, yeah, or which side of it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, he's had that it points
Speaker 1: throughout his season and I don't think it's prevented him
Speaker 1: from playing, which is encouraging, but usually his day off
Speaker 1: is Friday, not Wednesday, right, And they had a pretty
Speaker 1: good physical practice I understand yesterday with a increased focus.
Speaker 1: I was told, so, which is a good thing. Right,
Speaker 1: you're six and seven, you better be focused that. I think,
Speaker 1: what is that? Didn't see what didn't Zeke say something
Speaker 1: to that about somebody asking him about being focused? Or
Speaker 1: yeah he did, and he goes, or six and seven,
Speaker 1: we better be focused? He goes, that should be the
Speaker 1: focus right there. So uh, and then you know it
Speaker 1: was encouraging. I think we talked about it yesterday. Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath was supposed to practice and sounds like like he
Speaker 1: did on a limited basis, and uh, you know the
Speaker 1: only other contact he's gonna Yeah, you can wear that
Speaker 1: brace all you want, right, but it's still gonna hurt. Yes,
Speaker 1: the hit he laid on one of the Pat's receivers,
Speaker 1: I mean you could tell. I think I don't know
Speaker 1: if he reinjured it, but he certainly aggravated one of
Speaker 1: the shows he had to come out of the game. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt he can be injured it. Yeah time,
Speaker 1: like you said, contact can can really and he's gonna
Speaker 1: keep on reinjuring it. I'm even from falling, you're gonna
Speaker 1: reinjure it. Yeah, it's just a matter how much pain
Speaker 1: you feel. I mean, obviously he's gonna be on some
Speaker 1: type of medication or something. I mean, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta have something in you to where it, even though
Speaker 1: you don't want it to affect your decision making. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be on some type of pain medication.
Speaker 1: He's to me, if he does play, he should be
Speaker 1: extremely restricted. Uh, if we have a chance of doing anything,
Speaker 1: Uh not just in this game before the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, you're gonna need all the dB you can take.
Speaker 1: And let's let's let's just be real. We've been doing
Speaker 1: okay without him. We were okay with him, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we've been doing okay without him. I can't see us
Speaker 1: being I don't. I don't think the stats were markedly
Speaker 1: different from when he was in the game, but when
Speaker 1: he wasn't, so I'd just say, let's just hold him
Speaker 1: out as long as you can because the backups are
Speaker 1: doing an adequate and I stressed that adequate adequate job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well feeling and that's a great point ever since, because
Speaker 1: I think they're one of the games and then running together.
Speaker 1: Jeff was really just on special teams, just kind of
Speaker 1: running down in coverage and wasn't on defense. So maybe
Speaker 1: he can do something for them in the game. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I know, Mick, you said they miss him. I think
Speaker 1: in a couple of different special teams to do from
Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint back there and a guy that kind
Speaker 1: of diagnoses things and uh, you know, he we he's
Speaker 1: a guy that the fans always want to replace. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. I mean that's we've been hearing that for years.
Speaker 1: That's fine, and yeah, but uh, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: kind of quiet in the locker room, but I think
Speaker 1: on the field he's not. I think he's a pretty
Speaker 1: good leader out there, and well they're missing those He's
Speaker 1: not shy about throwing it in there. Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: to me, it's just a matter of having the ability
Speaker 1: to make the play. You have a guy plays with
Speaker 1: a you know, plays with his head a little bit,
Speaker 1: not as athletic as you want to be, then you
Speaker 1: might have another guy in the replacement of Thompson. Is
Speaker 1: it Thompson Thompson guy, and he's very athletic. He seems
Speaker 1: to be a little bit heads up as far as
Speaker 1: instincts or concern, but surely not the leadership that we
Speaker 1: want back there. So you're kind of trading it off
Speaker 1: more athleticism leadership versus the other way around. So yeah,
Speaker 1: either you're gonna be in place, you know, because you
Speaker 1: anticipated what was going on, You're gonna be right there
Speaker 1: to make the play, or your athleticism might allow you
Speaker 1: to make the play even if you might recognize it
Speaker 1: a little bit later than usual. I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I think he's been underrated in terms of his presence back.
Speaker 1: There are special teams too. I've been talking about special
Speaker 1: teams all all season, and he's a guy that is
Speaker 1: a starter who will continue to contribute there as long
Speaker 1: as he's healthy. That's what we used to do. They had,
Speaker 1: but we used to have starters play all special teams
Speaker 1: pretty much. I played, but kickoff coverage, punt return, field
Speaker 1: goal block. Really you're gonna, yeah, you're gonna get in
Speaker 1: as starters. We were always very integral to the success
Speaker 1: of the special teams, just by the way we had
Speaker 1: all the veterans in there. We took pride in that
Speaker 1: me and Billy Joe Dupree were trying to hold up
Speaker 1: big Dexter Manley. You know, they put him out as
Speaker 1: a gunner on punt coverage for them, so didn't they really? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they did that all the time, not just not just
Speaker 1: Dexter Manley, but the other one, the big guy. They
Speaker 1: had two big defensive ends running down as gunners, and
Speaker 1: Billy Joe Dupree came out and helped me because he
Speaker 1: was a bigger person. Ules me and Victor Scott as
Speaker 1: another dB. But it was me and Billy Joe Dupree
Speaker 1: we whipped his butt. I was gonna say that, man,
Speaker 1: And you know what, if you got a gunner that's crazy,
Speaker 1: I worry about that guy. Yeah, yeah, he definitely was crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they've got eight other guys listed as limited. Any
Speaker 1: of those concern you for Sunday? I think the Shawn
Speaker 1: Lee one does. Yeah. I think the other ones are
Speaker 1: guys that have and then also the punter with an
Speaker 1: abdomen injury. He hurt himself in that game and made
Speaker 1: it through. Yeah, you too much, I'm worn out? Uh
Speaker 1: good that Pollard was back out there limited, same with
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods and really the only other guy that was
Speaker 1: out was um was Vander esh, and I think we're
Speaker 1: just going to assume that that's going to be for
Speaker 1: a while, so we be concerned about the punner because yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have a guy right this is this is
Speaker 1: huge right now, that's fair point. We've given up a blot.
Speaker 1: Jason told us last week after the game they felt
Speaker 1: optimistic about him coming out of it. So we'll see,
Speaker 1: I mean, barring a setback, I mean you think he'd
Speaker 1: probably would be good to go. But yeah, what's your
Speaker 1: what's your kick? If you'll go kicker? Maybe maybe that's
Speaker 1: why he got signed, maybe he can punch two. We
Speaker 1: didn't ask that question. Also, wait, the punch is the holder? Yes, yes, man,
Speaker 1: we got a lot of stuff going on here. That's
Speaker 1: very astute point there. There's a couple of different roles
Speaker 1: on him, and Jeff heats the backup kick. Oh lord,
Speaker 1: if you want to take another star, Murphy's law is
Speaker 1: a very easy solution to all that score touchdowns. You're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, Nick, because you know if you score a touchdown,
Speaker 1: you can go for two. Right. All right with that,
Speaker 1: let's take our first break. We've got a couple of
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Speaker 1: We got a few minutes left in the show. We
Speaker 1: got a couple of callers here. Let's start off with Nebbie,
Speaker 1: our buddy in Maryland. What's up, bud uh Hi guys,
Speaker 1: Happy holidays, thank you, oh and also happy belated birthday, Mickey.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it now. Um um, listen, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: say that as poorly as we played lately, we still
Speaker 1: have a tremendous opportunity in front of us. We control
Speaker 1: our own destiny. We just have to to get our
Speaker 1: together and start playing a good football and go on
Speaker 1: a run. We u we can do it. I'm fired up.
Speaker 1: Uh uhhh, good cowboy, take care, thanks for being patient
Speaker 1: with me, and have a great week. But thanks. Go down.
Speaker 1: That's it, go cowboy and see he's right. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have to just get on the road. We just
Speaker 1: have to get on the road. We talked about how
Speaker 1: the Rams were able to win that of the Philly
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I was able to win that ugly game.
Speaker 1: Yeah we need I don't care what kind of win
Speaker 1: it is. If it's ugly, probably the uglier the better.
Speaker 1: Because as much as we think we're this team of style,
Speaker 1: yeah we're not that team anymore. We lose ugly. So
Speaker 1: let's win ugly. You know, let's just let's just get
Speaker 1: down in dirty. Agree with it. You know, Let's let's
Speaker 1: have Dad go ten for twenty eight you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred eighty eight yards. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: a pick and a touchdown, and Zeke might go eighty
Speaker 1: eight yards. He might fumble once, but he's gonna get
Speaker 1: a receiving touch I mean just ugly ways, unconditioned on
Speaker 1: traditional ways that you know, the way the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: used to doing it. But let's let's go against that.
Speaker 1: Let's just see if we can just you know, grind
Speaker 1: one out to where somebody goes, oh man, this is
Speaker 1: those most boiling games ever and then boom we win
Speaker 1: and you win. That's all I'm That's like Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Philly. Nine to three style points, damn a touchdowns whatever.
Speaker 1: It takes a thing for style parts. But I think
Speaker 1: everything you really hit on something a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: they do need some type of play to spark them,
Speaker 1: some type of momentum changing play. And when you look
Speaker 1: the last time they had a I can't believe they
Speaker 1: have two three game losing streaks in the season. It
Speaker 1: is just beyond me. I never would have thought that.
Speaker 1: But they ended their first one against Philly, and it
Speaker 1: was the defense that did it. The takeaways, short fields,
Speaker 1: quick change possessions, things that that fired up the crowd,
Speaker 1: fired up the team. The offense had shorter field and
Speaker 1: nar able to feed off of it. That changed what
Speaker 1: they gotta do. If I recall that win, was that
Speaker 1: also after a three game it was that ended. It
Speaker 1: was they had to. Boy, they were facing at the
Speaker 1: prospect of going into the bye week with four straight losses,
Speaker 1: and the defense really stepped up, and I think it's
Speaker 1: got to be that well. Yeah, I mean when you
Speaker 1: look at that game, that was the closest game to
Speaker 1: me that i've I've felt the energy as close the
Speaker 1: games to the sat the Saints game, you know, just
Speaker 1: the energy that the crowd. You could feel it in
Speaker 1: the crowd pregame. The guys came out, it was as
Speaker 1: if they were another team. They didn't even seem as
Speaker 1: if they were that team that lost those three games.
Speaker 1: The energy level was there, the competence level was there,
Speaker 1: no turnovers, took control of the game from play one
Speaker 1: from from from the kickoff. You knew that this was
Speaker 1: going to be a different team. That's the That's the
Speaker 1: team I've been waiting on and doing these last three
Speaker 1: winning streaks, the last three game winning losing streak with them.
Speaker 1: That's the team I've been waiting on us too. You
Speaker 1: want to hit the phone lines again, gentlemen, Sure, let's
Speaker 1: go Raphael in Georgia. You're up next on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: What's up, Hey, what's up, guys. How y'all doing. We're great,
Speaker 1: We're good. Everson, Man, it is good to see you
Speaker 1: on this show. Man. I remember you, guys. I've been
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan since seventy seven, man, so it's good
Speaker 1: to see you. How old are you, man? You old
Speaker 1: dude hunt forty seven? Man? But I looked pretty good
Speaker 1: for as I keep to complete to look good like Nicky,
Speaker 1: I'll be okay, there you go. You gotta get the
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Speaker 1: fan already. Man, y'all sold it on me a long
Speaker 1: time ago. So let me do the commercial with nick y'all. Please,
Speaker 1: we would like for you to do the commercials instead
Speaker 1: of Man. Hey, much respected a tall. I listened to
Speaker 1: him all the time. Man, I just keep them prayed up. Man,
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. I got two quick things I know
Speaker 1: you got. The guys got a roll. Number one is
Speaker 1: about the offense. I said this a while back. I
Speaker 1: think I talked to making them last season. Do you
Speaker 1: think that it's probably something that we could do as
Speaker 1: far as my offensive coordinator is just kind of the
Speaker 1: game stuff different every game. So if people can't pick
Speaker 1: up what we're doing maybe like you talked to yesterday,
Speaker 1: they talked to that on the break about how they
Speaker 1: can scheme Cooper to do some different things that kind
Speaker 1: of get open to them instead of being a second
Speaker 1: and third read. And then secondly, I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a big drop down from vander Esteve and the
Speaker 1: league coming in because I saw leading a lot of
Speaker 1: players last week. So what do you guys think about
Speaker 1: the linebackers too as well? So we're going to get
Speaker 1: this from this week. Mankind a great one. Thanks you
Speaker 1: for speaking with the guys. Thanks, Raphael, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We kind of touched on the linebackers. Everything really insightful
Speaker 1: yesterday about the problems they've had in the run game,
Speaker 1: stopping the run and how it really starts with that
Speaker 1: front four or affecting the linebackers. It really does regardless
Speaker 1: of vision there. Yeah, we talked about how the role
Speaker 1: of a defensive lineman at times is to impede the
Speaker 1: progress of that uncovered offensive lineman that's next to the
Speaker 1: one that they're going against. So you already lined up
Speaker 1: on the offensive tackle. Now that guard has no uncovering him.
Speaker 1: You also have to just hold him up a little
Speaker 1: bit before he just comes blasting off of the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So now if you don't do that, the
Speaker 1: linebackers under the rest as far as the running player
Speaker 1: is concerned. Now, when it comes to a passing play,
Speaker 1: that's when the play action comes in. We think about
Speaker 1: Dak doing the play action and going deep and how
Speaker 1: successful he was with touchdowns and passes over twenty yards
Speaker 1: with the play action. The way it's ruining our linebackers
Speaker 1: confidence is now that play action is working them over
Speaker 1: with the running backs in the passing game and the
Speaker 1: tight end. So all of a sudden, you got ruled
Speaker 1: off back here in the vikings game, catching one handed passes.
Speaker 1: You've got I think back says that have really been
Speaker 1: given us problems in the passing game, whether it's a
Speaker 1: screen or whether it's them being isolated in the slot.
Speaker 1: Things we've tried to do with Zeke where we've been unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: So now first you're worried about the running play because
Speaker 1: the linement are getting off on you. Then now you're
Speaker 1: going to get sucked up on the play action and
Speaker 1: the tight end is going right down the scene. So
Speaker 1: that's why we've been compounding our run issues with our
Speaker 1: problems with linebackers covering those intermediate routes from the tight
Speaker 1: ends and the running backs. Yeah, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what else. I mean the offense we talked about it yesterday,
Speaker 1: was you know, lacking the big plays. Is that the
Speaker 1: coordinator's faulters way teams are playing them. But I went
Speaker 1: back real quick and looked, and since that Minnesota game,
Speaker 1: it's like every touchdown they score, and they didn't score
Speaker 1: any against the Patriots. It seems to be they're grinding away.
Speaker 1: It's not like a huge play. The nineteen yard touchdown
Speaker 1: pass to Cooper against the Bears, Okay, somewhat of an easy,
Speaker 1: but you still had to drive all the way to
Speaker 1: the nineteen to do it. And then at the end
Speaker 1: of the Bills game it was a fifteen yard pass
Speaker 1: to Ventel Bryant, but that was at the end of
Speaker 1: the game too. All since the Minnesota game, they've just
Speaker 1: had to grind and grind and grind. What did you
Speaker 1: see coverage wise against Amuri against Chicago? Because I don't
Speaker 1: think he was targeted until the second quarter, and a
Speaker 1: lot's being made of road home. He's not involved as
Speaker 1: early and often on the road versus home. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's anything to that or if it's the
Speaker 1: way teams are playing him. Well after that first drive,
Speaker 1: I don't know who was targeted if you think about it, right,
Speaker 1: because there was a bunch of three and outs right away,
Speaker 1: Yes it was and again targets right, Okay, but they've
Speaker 1: just had to grind away so much because where Minnesota
Speaker 1: was the last game that they actually had some big
Speaker 1: plays in here. Here's here's the problem that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been having. Red zone. Okay, they've had problems in
Speaker 1: red zone. What you're gonna see is we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to start scoring obviously outside of the red zone, right
Speaker 1: more aggressive on the thirty, on the forty. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be more aggressive down the field. I mean we should be,
Speaker 1: because once we get down into the red zone after
Speaker 1: fifteen plays now here we are on the red zone. Man,
Speaker 1: that that's the grind. That's when that's when when you're
Speaker 1: margin for error, it's very slim. It's even slimmer than
Speaker 1: going down the field. So that's the issues that you have.
Speaker 1: I look for them to try to go down the
Speaker 1: field as we get on the other side of the
Speaker 1: fifty and just start you gotta start taking your shots.
Speaker 1: You have to loosen them up. San Francisco when they
Speaker 1: played against the Saints, the Saints are an excellent red
Speaker 1: zone team. San Francisco became creative outside of the red zone.
Speaker 1: Was that the reverse wide receiver pass right running back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you change things up all of a sudden. They
Speaker 1: saw something in the linebackers and we have the same
Speaker 1: play where you got the play action to Zeke and
Speaker 1: you've got the d cut coming behind the linebackers who've
Speaker 1: been sucked up. They did that for crucial times in
Speaker 1: the game, crucial time because they saw something that's something
Speaker 1: that they don't usually do in San Francisco. But the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator saw something. He didn't just go by the script.
Speaker 1: They changed the script. First four plays, San Francisco passes.
Speaker 1: Never done that before, four for four, girl appolo, Come on,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? All of a sudden, he's the man.
Speaker 1: That's because they changed the game plan. Instead of going
Speaker 1: in with the same listed scripted plays, they changed everything up,
Speaker 1: and they caught the Saints off guard. Eventually got the
Speaker 1: four the Niners to win red zone. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: are right. I asked Jason Witton about it recently, and
Speaker 1: he said, to your point, ever since, it just gets
Speaker 1: tighter down there, they haven't been ahead of the chains
Speaker 1: down there a lot. They've had some minus plays and all. So,
Speaker 1: I mean they've also just they've taken some shots, you know,
Speaker 1: some fade routes or some stuff in the corner of
Speaker 1: the end zone, and it hasn't hasn't worked out for
Speaker 1: I mean, we we we've done that before. That's no
Speaker 1: surprise when we get down there, that's what we do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you might as well start playing for it.
Speaker 1: And as a defense, why don't we start playing for
Speaker 1: it because they're doing the same thing. This absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: got anything else over there, Mick. Well, Um, the other
Speaker 1: thing that I think would help out, Um, and they've
Speaker 1: gotten a couple here the last couple of games is
Speaker 1: longer runs. You know, Zeke's kind of breaking out now.
Speaker 1: If they can get him on one of those and
Speaker 1: get a forty yard touchdown or something and start making
Speaker 1: people more respect that at the line of scrimmage, maybe
Speaker 1: they get more one on one situations in the in
Speaker 1: the passing game, because what teams, I'm telling you, what
Speaker 1: teams are doing is they're they're bringing pressure and they're
Speaker 1: backing up and it's like everything's in front of it.
Speaker 1: They had you that that Zeke's got to take one,
Speaker 1: you know, to take one, but that safety is always
Speaker 1: going to be back there because they're so deep. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the runs. Run his skinny butt over.
Speaker 1: Score outside that right game plan. I think that's at
Speaker 1: the top of the game on the pair, run them over.
Speaker 1: That's the game. All right, let's wrap it up when
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Speaker 1: gonna try to get at least one. Nigel in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you're up next. Hey, guys, A long time caller, a
Speaker 1: long time listener, first time caller, wanted to really just
Speaker 1: kind of talk about the coach for a while and
Speaker 1: guess kind of give them props. I don't think enough
Speaker 1: fans do that. Uh, And I kind of look at stats.
Speaker 1: You know, since Jason Garrett has been the coach, he's
Speaker 1: really built this thing and uh, you know, he beats
Speaker 1: the division year after year. Uh. People look at the
Speaker 1: eight and eight three, you know, the first three eight
Speaker 1: and eight seasons. But since then, if you eliminate the
Speaker 1: one season losing season, he's won sixty five percent of
Speaker 1: his games, including this year, you know. And you can't
Speaker 1: ask a coach, in my opinion, to just win thirteen
Speaker 1: games a year every year. And you don't. No one's
Speaker 1: trying to fire fire Andy Reid because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. You know, I think we reset keep
Speaker 1: Jason and look forward to next year. And I'll hang
Speaker 1: up and listen to you guys who that's him? That
Speaker 1: was Jason Garrett's agent that were you expecting that? No?
Speaker 1: But you know what you remember how always telling you
Speaker 1: what happens in the locker room at the health club.
Speaker 1: Some guy today, he was like, yeah, I know, and
Speaker 1: he goes, what year was this guy the NFL coach
Speaker 1: of the year. I said, well, it was three years ago,
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah. I said, well, yea, we know
Speaker 1: this is a year to year, day to day league. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: so people talk to you now when you work out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because at first you said nobody, no,
Speaker 1: no apathy. Right on the last couple of days, I've
Speaker 1: gotten questions. They're into it. I mean, I'm with the caller.
Speaker 1: I know, I mean the minority here, but I'm a
Speaker 1: Jason ga fan, I really am. I wish you'd take
Speaker 1: care of his business a little better, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I have higher aspirations aspirations for him. But everything the
Speaker 1: caller said was true. But the only stat that really
Speaker 1: counts is what two playoff wins? Yeah, in all those years,
Speaker 1: the numbers are great. Everything he talked about was amazing,
Speaker 1: but those only two playoff wins. It's like, we got
Speaker 1: this this ceiling. You know that we're fighting against and
Speaker 1: unfortunately we can't break through it. Those two wins double
Speaker 1: what anybody else has done since ninety six. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: kind of like Jeff Heath then Wade got one, Wayne
Speaker 1: got one in two thousand and nine, and Jason's got
Speaker 1: the two after that. It's been a long stretch. Um,
Speaker 1: how were you? How were you when they were a
Speaker 1: kicking butt? When in ninety five when they won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? I was thirteen. Wows yeah, So I mean, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I get why fans are frustrated. I thought too old. No,
Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm not thank you. I'm not as
Speaker 1: young as as old as that. Look uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's kids driving that that don't know weren't alive
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys won a Super Bowl. That is why
Speaker 1: the Jones has talked about next step. Stephen said that
Speaker 1: all offseason, next step, next step. It is a frustrating time.
Speaker 1: I will say this about all the talk about Jason's
Speaker 1: job security, I don't think the players listen to it.
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked to guys in the locker room
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks. Mary Cooper had no idea,
Speaker 1: had no idea He's like, I just don't get on
Speaker 1: social media. I don't do that, Lile Collins. I don't
Speaker 1: think that is factoring into their struggles. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I just think they're just not playing winning football. You got,
Speaker 1: it's not I'm not as concerned about what factors into
Speaker 1: the struggles, but what's going to factor into their getting motivation? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They what motivates them? You know, because it's we've had
Speaker 1: these moments, two three game losing streaks. Yeah, what motivates you?
Speaker 1: What motivated them for the Philadelphia game? What made you
Speaker 1: come out all of a sudden and started playing like
Speaker 1: the team that will accustom the scene. I want to
Speaker 1: see what what that was. And then let's let's let's
Speaker 1: let's duplicate that. You know, you talked about if you
Speaker 1: were when you were alive and sorry thing, just think
Speaker 1: how many people weren't alive when the Cowboys strung together
Speaker 1: those twenty consecutive winning seasons. Wow. Yeah, kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me because we had Roger Staubach on The Happy Hour
Speaker 1: last night and he was talking about we started talking
Speaker 1: about his last season, which was seventy nine. You would
Speaker 1: have been in college lost to the rand point and
Speaker 1: they lost to the Rams, right, And his recollection of
Speaker 1: the season was because they had the great win at
Speaker 1: the end to beat the Redskins to get into playoffs.
Speaker 1: And I remember him saying, he goes, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: goes that that was kind of a down season for us,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, okay, I think they finished like ten
Speaker 1: and six and won the division. Again, well, they lost
Speaker 1: the first round in the playoffs. And back then after
Speaker 1: you had gone to the super Bowl like three, so
Speaker 1: seventy five, seventy seven, seventy eight, and then you don't
Speaker 1: win a playoff game. Back then, that was a down year.
Speaker 1: It really struck me when he said that. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the standard that they was a little bit different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know, the winning continued until the eighty
Speaker 1: sixth season, the twenty consecutive winning winning season. I was there, Spags.
Speaker 1: I saw it myself. Actually I arrived when when the
Speaker 1: string of playoff appearances ended in eighty four. Remember you
Speaker 1: got beat by Miami of the season, but people don't
Speaker 1: will if I'm not mistaken, even before the game, we
Speaker 1: were already eliminated. I think you you, I think you were.
Speaker 1: It ended up uh and nine and nine and seven seasons.
Speaker 1: We were already eliminated before that game, but there was
Speaker 1: still just a lot of hype around it. Remember Marino
Speaker 1: hit the pass at the end to one of those
Speaker 1: clay No, I was on duper so no hit the
Speaker 1: other game, no duper no, no no. But if Mark
Speaker 1: Clayton went off on us for two almost identical plays
Speaker 1: deep end cuts and he ended up going a crossing
Speaker 1: all the way across the field going down the side
Speaker 1: of it was a It was at the Orange Bold
Speaker 1: and I remember we came down early because we thought
Speaker 1: the game was over, and then we were standing in
Speaker 1: the end zone and he cut that pass right in
Speaker 1: front of us. Yeah. Well, let's get a couple from
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper on Sunday, right, get that winning going again.
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