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Speaker 1: there is. Let's get to the show, Ralph. I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll start with the biggest game of the whole season

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Speaker 1: for the Pack twelve, which was the Pac twelve Championship.

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Speaker 1: You had Oregon coming in the game. It looked like

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Speaker 1: Arizona State, which they obviously lost, and Oregon State, and

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Speaker 1: everybody said Utah was gonna crush them because Utah have

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Speaker 1: been suffocating everybody that they played, and then the game

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Speaker 1: showed up and it was just an absolute wipeout. What

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Speaker 1: did you make out of that game? Ralph? We have

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Speaker 1: to talk about three haven't even have to talk I mean,

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Speaker 1: hyping up Utah going into this game, and oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: it did not go according to plan for the use.

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Speaker 1: They didn't. I mean, they showed up flat. How can

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Speaker 1: you possibly do that in a game of this Magnatius See,

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Speaker 1: I would not take away credit from Utah more than

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Speaker 1: I would give Oregon credit in this case, because Oregon

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Speaker 1: did something that they hadn't done all season. I think

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Speaker 1: full tail span, because there's a whole different mechanic when

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the run game, and when you don't, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that threw them for a loop. They

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And Oregon just has better players. That's what

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Speaker 1: thought that Oregon was just ready Marcus Royo called his

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Speaker 1: And then and then they just got out of control. Well,

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Speaker 1: And then this offensive line of of of Oregon, even

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Speaker 1: I love Johnny Johnson. He's, you know, somebody I covered

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's not he didn't just have a

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong? No? You are? You are right, especially

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Speaker 1: what Ohio states out there, right The state had the

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Speaker 1: because you had so okay? So um, here here are

430
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: the metrics for me? How did they do in big

431
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: out of conference games? Um? I don't think anybody was embarrassed.

432
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: I think Oregon went toe to toe with Auburn. I

433
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: think that both teams probably earned some mutual respect there.

434
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: Cal went out to Ole Miss and got one. UM.

435
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: But then the downside of that is, uh, the Pac

436
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: twelve refs became sort of a national story after that game.

437
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Arizona State went out to Michigan State and that you know,

438
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: they did okay, Colorado clip Nebraska. So UM. I think

439
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: that that was probably the best part of the season

440
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: was that the Pac twelve did an okay job of

441
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: going toe to toe with some of the bigger level,

442
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: a bigger name brand out of conference opponents. UM. Only

443
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: getting seven teams into bowls and most of the most

444
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: of the teams getting into bowls having a losing conference

445
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: record doesn't look good. I remember Larry Scott was really

446
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: proud of getting nine teams in bowls even though they

447
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: went one and eight a few years back. So having

448
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: to less not great. No team in the playoff UM

449
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: not great. Uh. The scheduling debacle of you know, bringing

450
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: up nine am games, having us argue about it, Having

451
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: the really competitive teams like Utah I have to play

452
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: at eight pm three different nights in a row. Then

453
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: having the conference championship at five pm on a workday

454
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: in a city where it's hard to get around anyway,

455
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: was was pretty wild. Um having the goal of finding

456
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: an equity partner and then not getting that done. Um,

457
00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: that didn't really looking as oh we oh we are,

458
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: we're so happy. We we learned so much in this

459
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: process that we that and we we actually got a

460
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of people a lot of interest, but we decided

461
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: not to do it. You know what, you know whom

462
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: Larry Scott sounds like when he says stuff like that,

463
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: like we tried to think it didn't work, but we

464
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: learned and we're getting better and the future is bright.

465
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: He sounds like Clay Hilton, only like a less believable

466
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: because I believe everything Clay Hilton says. I think he's

467
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: a great man. I think that he's got good intent.

468
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: I think that he's trying his best. Larry Scott does

469
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: the same stuff, and it is very much just spin.

470
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: It's corporate nonsense. It's nothing words, its sawdust, it's vapor,

471
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: it's it just it means absolutely nothing. And uh yeah,

472
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: I think that even with all of those things being said,

473
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a bad year. I mean there,

474
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I think I think things have been worse. Your USC

475
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: sort of on the op and up Utah was part

476
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: of the national conversation. Who would have thought that they'd

477
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: be you know, everyone picked them to win the South.

478
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: Everything kind of worked out that I picked Washington to

479
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: win the North, I think. So it's a disappointing down

480
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: year for them, Um, but you know, you didn't have

481
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: teams do so bad that you just out and out

482
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: were kicking out the entire staff. Oregon States sort of

483
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: on the come up. Colorado has got some excitement surrounding them,

484
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: really outside of University of Arizona, which just seemed to

485
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: be like this year was a complete disaster that ended

486
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: on a seven game losing streak. Everybody seems to have

487
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: some sort of ray of hope, even U C. L

488
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: A and so, and then the change at Washington is

489
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: something that Washington fans are excited about. So what's crazy

490
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: is with with all of the things that were sort

491
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: of like wrong with the Pack twelve this year, there

492
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: was enough good to make me feel like it was

493
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: almost a break even not they I don't they weren't

494
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: in the black by any means, but like it feels.

495
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: The thing that could really set it back, though, is

496
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: how everything closes on early signing day, Because we we

497
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: already have most of the talent in the West Coast

498
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: sort of pouring out into other conferences. If it gets

499
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: any worse than it is right now, that could be

500
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: the definitive thing for me. That says like, all right,

501
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: Pack twelve had it down here. Yeah. And I was

502
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: looking at the ratings, so the ratings for the PAC

503
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: twelve Championship, and on its face, I looked at it

504
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, hold up, hold up, is this

505
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: terrible or not? Because I did say that the game

506
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: being on on ABC was a big deal, that it

507
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: was a much better deal than being on ESPN obviously

508
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: because it's networks television versus cable. So on the face

509
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: on its numbers, they did a one point three amongst

510
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: the key demographic adults eighteen to forty nine, and they

511
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: did an average of over five million dollars I'm five

512
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: million dollars, five million viewers through each of the hours.

513
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: So they did five point five, five point three and

514
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: then six and then four point six because the game

515
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: was out of control at that point in point in time,

516
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: so it was the most watched WHOA, it wasn't the

517
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: most watched thing because granted it was a big time

518
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: football game. Hawaii five Oh got more people to watch it.

519
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Blue Bloods got more people to block watch it, and

520
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: so did Magnum pr and and then I look at

521
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: Saturday day and I don't see the SEC scores yet,

522
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: but the a c C Championship did five million in

523
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: the first hour, and then three, then three point four

524
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: and then two point sixs because that game, which makes sense. Yeah,

525
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: but the Big Ten Championship game. Guess how many people

526
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: watched it in each hour? My good, I'm thinking a

527
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: minimum of eight or nine, right minimum? That that would

528
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: that would be considered, that would be called the conservative estimate,

529
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: Ralph eleven million in the first hour, thirteen million in

530
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: the second hour, thirteen million in the third hour. People

531
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: tell you that the SEC football is the biggest, it's not.

532
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: It is the Big Ten. The Big Ten gets more

533
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: eyeballs than any other conference, and in particular Ohio State.

534
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: You know what I think? Ohio State with Wisconsin was

535
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: the white No, it was Wisconsin, and oh lord, I

536
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: forgot who who it was. Wisconsin is somebody who had

537
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: had the most watched game of the entire year. Well

538
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: answer to this, George, aren't there like thirty million people

539
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: in California? Yep? What do people. What do people in

540
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: California do at five pm on a on a Friday.

541
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Are they just sitting in their cars? Yeah, yeah, everybody.

542
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: I bet you. The radios probably did pretty well, So

543
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: the radio broadcast probably did better than the TV's. So

544
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve Championship ends up being a reward for

545
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: people who love football and live in New Jersey. It doesn't.

546
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me that. And this is

547
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: one of the things that I talked about this year

548
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: or this week when John Kanzano released his deep dive

549
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: into why the PAC twelve, And this is another thing

550
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: that points out that maybe the Pact twelve did not

551
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: have a good year. The Pact twelve dropped two hundred

552
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: and fifty thousands paid attendees from this year to last year,

553
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: two biggest drop of any conference, right, And I said, like,

554
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: this deep dive is really nice and everything, but it's

555
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: very simple. The PAC twelve does not prioritize its fans.

556
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: They bowed to the god of TV. Therefore, you will

557
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: continue to have people pushed in the direction that the

558
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: conference is pushing them. The conference is pushing them towards television.

559
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: So like when when you don't prioritize your fans, they

560
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: will go elsewhere. You can't serve two masters. You can't

561
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: serve TV and serve your fans. And so when your

562
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: championship game is played at a time when it is

563
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: harder for the thing ends in your footprint to watch

564
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: the game, then the fans in any other part of

565
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: the entire country, that is just you taking another step

566
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: to make sure that they know they're not your priority.

567
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: Somebody in Alabama at eight pm watching this game is

568
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: your priority. Those TV numbers are your priority, not the

569
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: people who are you. You are supposed to be steward

570
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: ng their experience, and so, you know, and I just

571
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: I think I think that that's probably the thing. You know,

572
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and say it was not a

573
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: neutral year. Two hundred and fifty thousand less fans attended

574
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: games this year than last year. That should be the

575
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: biggest indicator on whether or not this was a successful year. Well,

576
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: I think that you're going to get that across most

577
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: conferences because attendance is down, but not in this amount,

578
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: not in this amount, and and everybody everybody, you know,

579
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: So I I had tweeted something like that, like, hey,

580
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, if if you were if you were trying

581
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: to sell tickets to a pact school, you call somebody

582
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: and tell them like, hey, would you like to buy

583
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: season tickets? And they'd be like sure, how much and

584
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: be like, oh, just more than last year. And then

585
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: you'd say like, oh, well, uh, well you know, are

586
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: all the games gonna be played at the same time? Well? No,

587
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: are the all the games be played on the same day?

588
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Well know? And uh? And then the you know, the

589
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: final thing is just you know, when when will the

590
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: games you played? Oh? Well you'll know when we know,

591
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: you know. It's just like there's nothing about yeah, and

592
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: what like, hey, what if I can't attend one of

593
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: these games? Will I be able to watch it on TV? Uh?

594
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: That depends on multiple factors, you know? Or will will

595
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I be able to sell my tickets? Right? I do?

596
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Do my season tickets hold any value you if if

597
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: I cannot attend the game? So I don't. I don't know.

598
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's not an optimal experience. And I had

599
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: a few people argue with me when I tweeted that,

600
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: of like, if you care enough, then you'll find a

601
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: way to make all this stuff work. But it's not

602
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: about the people who are absolute fanatics who will do everything.

603
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: This is about catching flies, period. You are. You cannot

604
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: take the fans for granted. You need to bring them in.

605
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: That's your responsibility. And I think we've gotten to the

606
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: point where the fans are just taken for granted that

607
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: they like football and that they will be there. You

608
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: have to prioritize their experience. Period. The fans have to

609
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: be your priority, and they will never be your priority

610
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: if every decision you make is a decision made in

611
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: order to keep people at a television network happy. Because

612
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: those people at that television network, they don't want able

613
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: to go to your games. They want people to stay

614
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: home and watch the games in the only format that

615
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: still exists in television, in which you have to watch commercials.

616
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: That's what they want. So the goals are diametrically opposed.

617
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: You are bleeding attendees. And everyone says, well, there's so

618
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: much to do in these West Coast there's the same

619
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: amount of ship to do that that there was ten

620
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: years ago. Why is there two million less fans? The

621
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: it is. It's incredible, and I think that you have

622
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: to look at certain teams in a certain fan fan

623
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: the biggest of the team. That was the biggest. UM No,

624
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: shows had to be u c l A because we

625
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: have u c l A season tickets, and I mean

626
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: it was the Rose Boat was empty. I've never seen

627
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: it that empty. Like you could have played modern day

628
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: versus St. John Bosco at the Rose Bowl and probably

629
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: got the same amount of fans. And paid attendance is

630
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: not actual attendance. That's got to be at least another

631
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: drop for school because there were some games that we

632
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't go for sure, um the UM and okay, so

633
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: the teams that have people show up. You have Oregon, Washington,

634
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: Utah and yeah, yeah, Oregon watching Colorado. Colorado had a

635
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: really good year one of those one of those involved

636
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: in Nebraska fans playing up all their chickens. But they

637
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: did have a college Colorado. How does how does Arizona

638
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: State do in the attendance uh, paid attendance and actual attendance?

639
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: There was a big gap. But because it was a

640
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: strong end of the season UM home schedule where you

641
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: had Oregon and University of Arizona back to back, those

642
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: stands were full. Even if they're how about Washington State? Um?

643
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait, never never, never, never mind the the

644
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Speaker 1: A Coups fans show up, and I mean they do

645
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: have a small stadium, but they do typically show up

646
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Speaker 1: and give a good home field advantage. And it was

647
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Speaker 1: l A. L A was where things were really bleeding

648
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: out this year. That's where. And then callin Stanford fans,

649
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: they just don't they don't care. Um uh, cal fans care,

650
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: they go. They're just not as many as there should be. UM.

651
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: But I mean Stanford and the two l A schools

652
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: and University of Arizona which broke attendance records in a

653
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: bad way this year, they're they're the culprits I think

654
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Speaker 1: of most of the dry I think the Pack twelfth

655
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Speaker 1: conference has to go on full pr assault. I mean,

656
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: just hire a firm. How do you do that without

657
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: making it feel like a pr Oh? So what who cares?

658
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: As long as you are in front of people and

659
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: people are talking to you. Okay, I'm going old school

660
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: A and our record people and just paying people to

661
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: talk about me if necessary. I'm putting I'm putting checks

662
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: into in in uh, in radio people's pockets and putting

663
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: them in TV people's pockets. Hey, YoY yo, do you

664
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Speaker 1: do you want an endorsement with the Pack twelve. You know,

665
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm paying people under the table. You talk about us

666
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: in a positive light. So that's the first thing. And

667
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: and I mean I'm finding a way to get that done.

668
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: God yeah, yeah, okay. So it's gonna be just I'm

669
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: just gonna say, it's gonna be pretty noticeable when all

670
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm this Packed twelve Apostles podcast. When

671
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: I mentioned Larry Scott, I'm saying stuff like that looks

672
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: like I just think I think that that would be

673
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: like a tectonic shift. But you know what I will

674
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: tell I will take your money. If they have any

675
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: left after paying rent and paying his salary, we'll take it.

676
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: I'll find something nice to say about the man. It

677
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: won't be about football though. Um. And the second thing

678
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: is I'm a person. I believe in what Marcus Lemonius

679
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: talks about people, process and product, and that that part

680
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: of that is that is if you watch a show

681
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: the Profit of c CNBC, he always talks about, you know,

682
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: doing the right thing and if you're in bad deals

683
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: that are killing your business, find a way out. So

684
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the so the PAC twelve networks because everybody said, oh

685
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: we can't get out of these deals. Blah blah blah. Okay,

686
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: is that really true though, because if the networks had

687
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: a way to make more money, don't you think they

688
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: would be in for that? If then if instead of

689
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: being on Sling alone, that they could then get on um,

690
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: you know, other streaming get on Hulu, TV, YouTube TV,

691
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: Hell Disney Plus anything literally anything else. You don't have

692
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: to negotiate with direct TV, you don't have to negotiate

693
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: with comcasts. Get on the streaming platforms because that is

694
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: the future. And then you will get in front of

695
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: more eyeballs and then make that work economically for the

696
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Speaker 1: for the you know, for pactual of Mountain California, Mountain

697
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, uh, Oregon in Arizona. Make it work for

698
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Speaker 1: them economically, because you need eyeball is more than you

699
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: need money at this point in time. Because if you

700
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Speaker 1: can find a way to make it work, then that

701
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: is the plan. That's what you have to do. You

702
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: cannot just wait untill three because at the beginning of

703
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: the season, what's the first thing they talked They talked about, Oh, yeah,

704
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: Oregon is good, but the pack twelve ha man, man,

705
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do so much to get into

706
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Oh they don't. They don't stand a chance.

707
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: And you're up against the fact that UM thirteen thirteen

708
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: of the conference champions out of of the eight win

709
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: teams right of the story of the eight team conferences

710
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: and eight conference games teams, the Lord A Mercy, the

711
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: a SEC, and a c SEC. They have made the

712
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: uh the college football Playoff every single year and it's

713
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: only like six for fifteen out of the out of

714
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: the nine out of the conferences that play nine games.

715
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: It's atrocious. It's abysibal. It is not okay. It is propaganda.

716
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: You have to find a way around this and to

717
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: make it work for for you. You have to do

718
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: your schedules better. I love the fact that the Pact

719
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: twelve can schedule non conference games in November, now that

720
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: they're not just beating themselves up all year. This is

721
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: just atrocious. You have to do something else, Rob. I

722
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: just all I know is the Pact twelve is available

723
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: in like eighteen million homes and that there's thirty nine

724
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: million people in California alone. Like you can't even cover

725
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: you it. It can't get more obvious than that. Like,

726
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like if you worked at

727
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: a company where your entire job was to figure out

728
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: what two plus two is, and like the whole world

729
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: already knows the answer to two plus two and they're

730
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: all screaming four, and you have Larry Scott standing there

731
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: saying like maybe it's five. Who knows, And it's like

732
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: like like their own prices right, and they're sitting there

733
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Speaker 1: facing facing to to one like ten dollars, Bob, Yeah,

734
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: I just it. It feels like gas lighting, like everybody

735
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: knows the answer except for the person responsible for the answer.

736
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: And I you know, I hate backseat drivers, I hate

737
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: armchair quarterbacks, even though this podcast is basically like organized

738
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: armchair quarterbacking. You know, I hate all of those things

739
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: because you gotta let experts be experts sometimes and experience matters.

740
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: But in in, just in this, it really really feels

741
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: like I could have ruined this job at an equal clip.

742
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Like I hate feeling like I could. My best could

743
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: probably equal what's happening right now. And I nothing makes

744
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: me feel worse than feeling that way, Like, no, that

745
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: person is in charge, I shouldn't feel like I could

746
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: also screw it up this bad The Peter principal man.

747
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: Everybody gets promoted to the level of their incompetence and

748
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: and but then there are some people. Um I was

749
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: reading a book by this guy named Ben Horowitz talking

750
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: about it's called The Hard Thing About Hard Things, and

751
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: he talks about hiring people executives how this works. But

752
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: he talks about one of the worst things that you

753
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: can do in a company is create politics where you

754
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: feel like people get raises and and hired and fired

755
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: or whatever for political reasons that they find a way

756
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: to manipulate the system and and it's not for actual merit.

757
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening at the back to with Larry Scott.

758
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: He's not been promoted and um, well he actually got

759
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: hired for for Merritt for what he did with tennis,

760
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: but then his extension. I don't know how he conned

761
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: everybody into doing that. And guess what he's gonna cond

762
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: them into another one because his contract is up before

763
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: the TV rights her up. So he's like, yo, I

764
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Speaker 1: need to be in a position to to to to

765
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Speaker 1: get this done. I got the plan and he ain't

766
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Speaker 1: gonna do a damn thing. So, like I said, it's

767
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: a clay Healton equivalencyat Oh yeah, yeah, dude, they both

768
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: would be great survivor contestants. They would they would win

769
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: the game, they would both make the finals. Um, and

770
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: and you have an image problem because check check this out.

771
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: Georgia got vote raced in the SEC Championship. Uh, it happens.

772
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: You're playing against the best team in the country. Uh,

773
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: you're still number four. You dropped from four to five,

774
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: and there was a discussion about keeping you at four. Uh,

775
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: Georgia got I'm sorry. Virginia got annihilated in the a

776
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: SEC Championship. No, no, biggie, you get to go to

777
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Speaker 1: the Orange Bowl. Congratulations. Baylor loses in the Big twelve Championship,

778
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: No problem. We still got a New Year's six game

779
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: in the Sugar Bowl for you. No problem. Utah looses

780
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve Championship. Posers, they're exposed, no real

781
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: competition Alamo Bowl. Huh against a seven and five Texas

782
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: team that just fired everyone on the static and the

783
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: head coach. You have a top you you have a

784
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: eleventh rape team playing the number and unranked seven and

785
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: five Texas team. How does that happen? That shows where

786
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: the disrespect for your conferences. Should we talk about these

787
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: bowl games because I am I'm worried about a couple

788
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, but let's let's bowl game it up,

789
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: Ralph Bowl Game it up. Um. I do want to

790
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: note before we even talk about the bowl games, how

791
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: there was an interesting dynamic that I think got worked

792
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: out publicly and privately before the bowl games were announced.

793
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: You had the Alamobile, which could have selected USC instead

794
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: of Utah, but then Utah would have gotten bumped down

795
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: from bowl games for consecutive years because last year the

796
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: Alamobowl didn't didn't choose them either, even though that they

797
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: played in the conference championship game, which is pretty customary,

798
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: and people were gonna be outraged about it. But I

799
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: think it made it publicly enough, bad enough where USC

800
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: fans were like, listen, we're not going to San Antonio.

801
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: If Clay Hilton's coaching, You'll be lucky to get us

802
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: to show up in holiday. I think that they that

803
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: the bowl game wanted to make sure that their fans

804
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: that the stands were full, because Utah fans will go

805
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, but they're unsure about USC fans, even

806
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: though they're a bigger brand. But but onto the game though,

807
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: So the the Irony Bowl, the Irony Mitsubishi Motors of

808
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Bowl is Boise State number nineteen Boyssey State

809
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: who beat Florida State in Florida after a time after

810
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: a venue and time change, last minute venue and time change.

811
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: UM is playing Washington Chris Peterson. This is his last

812
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: game coaching. Washington gave the keys to Jimmy Lake, their

813
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. But remember even though he's been at Washington

814
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: for what six years, he has not been He was

815
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: coaching at Boise State before that. My do I think

816
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: only Brian Harson was the same, only person still on

817
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: that staff. But this feels very fitting and I think

818
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: that this was a matchup that was chosen to get

819
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: them against Boise State because I think it matters more.

820
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: What do you what do you? How do you see

821
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: this game? Ralph? Well, I mean there's another example of

822
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: b y You're just screwing stuff up for for other

823
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: teams because without who, without that loss to b y U,

824
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, Boise State would have been in a completely

825
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: different conversation because they have been and with their history

826
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: and they're branding and a win over Florida State to

827
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: start the year, uh, and then just running through a

828
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Mountain West schedule that actually had some pretty good teams.

829
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: This here, UM, we'd probably be talking about a Boise

830
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: State team that might be making some UCF arguments like

831
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: they belong UM, but instead a twelve and one team

832
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: is ranked number nine team in the country, which is

833
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: pretty wild. And I think one of the reasons that

834
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: they're ranked so low is they have had some serious

835
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 1: injury issues at quarterback this year. They started Hank block Meyer,

836
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: who got knocked out. Then they had Chase Cord and

837
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: he was, you know, relatively successful and he got knocked out.

838
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: Now they're they're on a third string quarterback. Maybe Hank

839
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: block Meyer will be healthy in time for this Bull game,

840
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: and so that, you know, I think that you'll probably

841
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: still UM. I think Washington's favorite if I'm not mistaken,

842
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: and I feel like probably should be UM talent wise,

843
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: But that's also that's the exact place Boys loves to

844
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: be UM. I know that Brian Harston probably loves this matchup.

845
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson hates playing Boys State. He I think they

846
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: had that home at home a couple of years back,

847
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: and he was pretty open about you know, not being

848
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: a huge fan of of trying to go back and

849
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: play his old team. And and that's that's something I've

850
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: noticed is actually pretty common amongst head coaches who had

851
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: a good experience at their previous employee. With their previous employer,

852
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: they know what it takes to go in there and

853
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: beat up on another team. And and there there's a

854
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: little bit of an element of like of just not

855
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: wanting to see a team that you helped lift up

856
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: get knocked down, you know. Um. And these guys are competitors.

857
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: They'll do it, but they know that they know that

858
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: you kind of got to go to a dark place

859
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: in order to do that. Um. And so that's why

860
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: the Klitschko brothers won't fight. So UM. I mean, I

861
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: think that it's a good matchup for Washington because Boise

862
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: State has been banged up and because the one loss

863
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: they had this year came to a bigger, more physical team.

864
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Boise States struggled against my Wyoming Cowboys, and there that

865
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: they their whole thing is just you know, physicality, the

866
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: and bad weather. Um. But this will be played in

867
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and and you know, um, boys States had

868
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: a lot of success in this full game. The Mountain

869
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: West period has had a ton of success in this

870
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: bull game, So I don't know are we are we

871
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: doing predictions now? These bowles don't kick off until the one.

872
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: But I really, really I like Washington in this game.

873
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: But it's tough to meet against the Amounts. They beat

874
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: Oregon in the Vegas Bowl two years ago. Um and

875
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: in what ended up I believe is part of the

876
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: reason Andy Avelos is the thes A coordinator in Oregon

877
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: right now. Um yeah, I like it for Washington. For

878
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson, I think it's gonna be a good storyline.

879
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: People are gonna be talking about it all the week.

880
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: He personally is going to hate that that he's a

881
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: bigger story than the players in the game. But for

882
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: the players, I think that this is Jacob Easton's last

883
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to try to come out this season. You won't

884
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: have anybody from either team sitting out this game except

885
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: the only person who could is Boise States d N

886
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: because he's probably gonna be a top ten pick. Um.

887
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: I think he but I doubt it. I mean, he's

888
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of a workman like guy, so you know he

889
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: probably won't sit out. But Jacob, Jacob e sand some

890
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: of these seniors on Washington's team, they need to perform

891
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: well because they don't have I mean, nobody has that

892
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of hype that you know that Taylor Raps had,

893
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: the uh Marcus Peters, the you know some of the

894
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: other uh the the the Vita Veez and you know

895
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: some of the other top seniors that Washington had in

896
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: previous seasons. Um, you got the Alamo Bowl, I'm sorry,

897
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: the the Holiday Bowl USC Iowa. Um, we will get

898
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: to the predictions and a future show. But I don't

899
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge test for Clay Helton.

900
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: I see, I was probably got way more invested in

901
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: this game against you know, playing against the fancy l

902
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: A folks than you know then and then USC does.

903
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: I think USC is looking at this matchup and thinking

904
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be But all right, So if USC

905
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: wins this game, obviously it's really good for Clay Helton,

906
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: really good for the for their team in general. I

907
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: mean like it's really good for the confidence of the fans.

908
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: But a loss would be absolutely cripply, would be crippling.

909
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: And there and their former head and USC's former head coach,

910
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: Lane Kipping, he just got a new job in the

911
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: SEC and just just a quick note. I just wanted

912
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: to mention him super quickly because it did tie in

913
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: with USC and I was just thinking. I was like,

914
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: hold up, Lane Kiffin. He's been the head coach of

915
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: an NFL team, two SEC teams, and a PAC twelve

916
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: team and a Conference USA say team, and he's only

917
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: forty four. What are we doing with our life? Ralph? Uh,

918
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: pretty bad about ourselves. And we record these we record.

919
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: It's not like we record these podcasts at night. You

920
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: know where I can, I can have a glass of

921
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: whiskey and forget it. This is early in the morning.

922
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: I'll be thinking about this all day. Thanks a lot. Yeah,

923
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: that's terrible, man, that that's crazy. I think that this

924
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: job he's actually earned this one and wasn't uh nepotized

925
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: into it. Um next came up, you got air Force

926
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: in Washington State. This is a weird matchup. This is

927
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: in the Cheese It Ball in Phoenix, Arizona at tase Field.

928
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: I could not think of a more weird matchup. You

929
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: have an air Raid team led by Mike Mike Leach

930
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: whose weird says weird stuff, doesn't you know follow norms?

931
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: Blames other other people for everything. And then you have

932
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: the Air Force accountability. Uh you know, uh triple option.

933
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: They could not be two more diametrically opposed forces. What

934
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: is six and six and the other ones tending tending to? What? What?

935
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: Do you? What say you? Ralph? About this game? First

936
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: of all, I love this. Um, it's just it's unbranded.

937
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: This is a Pact twelve game, right, it's just super

938
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: u brand. It's in downtown Phoenix in a baseball stadium

939
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: because why not, Uh at eight fift pm on a Friday.

940
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: It does not get more like just PAT twelve and

941
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: Mountain West than that. Um, you got a team that

942
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: runs the triple option, that is that is actually for

943
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, uh, competitive football team.

944
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: Like it's not just gimmicky. Um. I'm a Mountain West fan,

945
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Wyoming fan. Air Force just beat the piss

946
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: out of out of Wyoming. This is a really good

947
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: Air Force team. Maybe they're best Colorado. They beat Colorado.

948
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: They did beat Colorado. I blame that one on Colorado

949
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. But they got out to that early

950
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: lead and they did it in Boulder, which was special.

951
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: And then I mean you saw the fit that Hawaii

952
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: gave Arizona, right and the fit that Hawaii gave Oregon

953
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: State air Force beat Hawaii by thirty, by thirty, and

954
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: there's not going to be a more familiar team to

955
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: what Washington States trying to do than Hawaii. Washington State

956
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: needs to be worried. They need to be on for

957
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: this game and they're gonna get wrecked. Yeah, because if

958
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: they can't stop, it's already. I mean, we even see

959
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: top tier teams. How often does Notre Dame struggle with

960
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: Navy or Army or UM or have Oklahoma struggle with Army.

961
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: They almost lost last year and they were a college

962
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: football playoff team two and again, I just want to reiterate,

963
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: they beat Hawaii by thirty in the Hawaii That's impressive. Yes,

964
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: that's extremely impressive. That's crazy out Um. The next game,

965
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: Uh well, Mike, Mike Leach isn't going anywhere like we,

966
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, thought it could happen. But at the same time,

967
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: like you, you don't want to finish season seven at

968
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: six and because then he's gonna be complaining about them

969
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: not getting enough respect next year. The this next game

970
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: is the game. I love, Ralph, I absolutely love it.

971
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: I love Lovey Smith coaching against Illinois. I'm sorry for

972
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: Illinois against Cal. This feels like two of the exact

973
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: same teams playing playing each other big because you got

974
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: Cal who's an upstart. They're coming back. Justin Wilcox built

975
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: this thing back up from the ashes. You got Lovey

976
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: Smith done the same thing at Illinois. They beat Wisconsin

977
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: this year inexplicably nobody thought, nobody believed in them. I

978
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: love this game, and this game very well could finish

979
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: seven to six. Just like the Red Box Bowl last

980
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: year with Oregon and Michigan State, this game could finish

981
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: seven to six. Ralph, Yeah, I was privately rooting for

982
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: a Lovey versus herm game. Um, but this will do.

983
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: You know, Illinois had a really weird season, But it's

984
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: that it's like that NFL model of like, oh where there,

985
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: there's six and six now, But they can make that

986
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: playoff push towards the end of the year. They actually

987
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: I feel like they played Iowa pretty close. Um, and

988
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: I feel like early in that Michigan game it felt

989
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 1: like they were giving them some trouble as well. They've

990
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: played Illinois played one of the toughest schedules to me,

991
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: just the way the conference schedule worked out, um, and

992
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: somehow avoided Iowa State or Ohio State and all all

993
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: this mess. But um, I they've just been inconsistent. Uh,

994
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: Illinois has and I think that Cal's season can really

995
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: be blamed on injury, right, So I want to give

996
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: Cal the advantage in this game. Um, Brandon Peters is

997
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: a decent enough quarterback for Illinois. He's made you know,

998
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: he's made a few plays this year. But they are similar,

999
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: they are similar. Um, neither one really has a feat

1000
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: your back. The quarterback has hasn't really played you know,

1001
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: up to UM up to standards. I think they're main

1002
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver and correct me if I'm wrong on this.

1003
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: Josh Immatur BB which I've butchered that for sure, wasn't

1004
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: he he was? Wasn't he a USC kid? Yeah? I

1005
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: think he was like a big time recruit to USC

1006
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: transferred to Illinois, and he he's their main threat on

1007
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: off the thirty three catches and nine touchdowns this year,

1008
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: big six to two kid out of Georgia. So it'll

1009
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: be interesting to see that little pack twelve connection. Um.

1010
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this should be fun. Cal will

1011
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: have kind of the home field advantage, you get to

1012
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: play host and then you just never really know what

1013
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of this Illinois team. So um,

1014
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: it could go either way. I think the line is

1015
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: what cal mine is five and a half right now,

1016
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: which is I don't even know if I would touch

1017
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: this line. This feels like a game that would be separated.

1018
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: But but it looks like the stars are all on

1019
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: cow side, Chase Chase Garber's, Christopher Brown the running back,

1020
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: and uh Medio medeo um their wide receiver. You know,

1021
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: but this is one of the one of the This

1022
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: is the definition of true team effort win. That's the

1023
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: only way that this works out for them. And you

1024
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: gotta give um uh cal a whole lot of credit

1025
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: for being resilient this season. They finished seven and five

1026
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: and which which was I mean, phenomenal considering they started

1027
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: out four and oh and then they lost what like

1028
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: five straight games, four ending with a thirty five nothing

1029
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: lost at Utah before coming back to beat Washington State. Yeah,

1030
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: it was, I mean, and then they got Chase Garber's

1031
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: back at the for the last two games of the season.

1032
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: It was really good, dude. I mean, they are a

1033
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: team if you're a cow fan, you are happy with

1034
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: the seven and five, considering that Chase Garber's was out,

1035
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: and they're a team they played they played Oregon really

1036
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: tough too, and so there I'm I'm most curious. I'm

1037
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: really excited just for this game, to watch Evan Weaver

1038
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: go up against Illinois. I think that that's gonna get

1039
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, that'll get him some respect from some Big

1040
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: ten fans who might not be aware of who he is.

1041
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: Very true, he's a tackling machine, kind of averaging coverage.

1042
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: Interested to see how he does in the NFL. If

1043
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: they can protect him with with d tackles, he can

1044
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: be a good player. Um a game that feels odd.

1045
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: On December thirty one, Florida State versus Arizona State, Florida

1046
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: State actually made a ball game, and this game is

1047
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: the Sunball. You know. Passo Texas a game I played

1048
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: in which I enjoyed. And but when I went in

1049
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: I was a red shirt. And guess where they took us, Ralph,

1050
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: guess where they took us that they wouldn't dare take

1051
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: the the recruits now wrez Yep, they took us to Warez, Mexico. Buddy,

1052
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: I love it. We went to those through a bull

1053
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: fight every dude, and we were hanging out in ward Warres.

1054
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: Quick quick story. So there's a little shopping center in

1055
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: Warez where you can go buy crafts, goods, you know,

1056
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: all those things. Kind of a touristic thing. But some

1057
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: of the locals are there too. They told us, hey, yo,

1058
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna be here hour and a half or two hours,

1059
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, walk around, do your thing, stay with each other,

1060
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: do not leave around here. What what do some uh

1061
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: some little uh horny college students do. I have some

1062
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: friends telling me who are upper is a couple of

1063
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: upper classmen? A yo. This dude told us that he

1064
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: knows where some girls are. We can go holid at

1065
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: him real quick and you know, might be able to

1066
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: do something real quick and then we can get back

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: in time. And I'm like, bro, no, what do you

1068
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: guys talking about? And then and they were like, yo,

1069
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: he's pulling the car around right right now. We're good,

1070
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna go. G you don't have to go, you know,

1071
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: I get it. But we were out of here. He

1072
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: pulls up in like a creepy molester van with no windows,

1073
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: had like a metal thing on the door and had

1074
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: like a metal thing in between the back and the

1075
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: h and the front seat that way that way, like

1076
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: you can't really get to the people in the front seat.

1077
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are gonna get in that

1078
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: band with no damn windows? Are you an idiot? And

1079
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: so I finally talked amb out of getting in the

1080
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: van and and the dude was constantly trying to persuade them, Yo,

1081
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: come on, let's let's let's go hopping the van. We

1082
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: we we were good. I got it all set up.

1083
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, if you guys die, I'm going

1084
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: to say I told you so. I'm gonna tell your

1085
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: family I told you so, and that I tried to

1086
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: stop it because this is absolutely at as and I,

1087
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: but they would never take players back to ours. And

1088
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: another side side note, this is the Tony the Tiger Bowl,

1089
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: which is the best bowl game name there is. It

1090
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: is And if you're listening to this podcast and you

1091
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: want to go down one of the weirdest internet rabbit

1092
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: holes in the history of the world, google why Tony

1093
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: the Tiger isn't on Twitter anymore? Because it is something

1094
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: I probably can't even talk about on this podcast. It's

1095
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: it's definitely not safe for work, and it's absolutely hilarious,

1096
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: but it's also like sad and bizarre at the same time.

1097
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: There is definitely a subset of very weird humans who

1098
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: have a physical attraction to a cartoon tiger, and it

1099
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: caused them to not allow the brand to have a

1100
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: Tony the Tiger Twitter anymore as of a couple of years. George,

1101
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: it is the weirdest story. You're gonna be. We're gonna

1102
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: get off this podcast. You're gonna be You're gonna be crying, laughing,

1103
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 1: and then just feeling weird about yourself after you google this. Okay,

1104
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: we'll well, we'll do. How about the matchup? So you

1105
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: have Mike Norton Norvelle, New Culture, Florida State, who if

1106
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: I were him, I would not coach this game because

1107
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 1: you're not putting this loss on my resume if if it,

1108
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: if it happens, because you can't put it in an offense.

1109
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: You don't know what's going on with the team. You've

1110
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: got people leaving, you've got people people stay. I don't

1111
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: know what it what it is, so guess what I'm

1112
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: not being a part of it. If I am him, Yeah,

1113
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite. If I'm Mike Norvelle, I asked to

1114
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: take the reins immediately, and then I try to kick

1115
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: the crap out of my former team because he has

1116
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: probably half of Tempe blocked on Twitter. Why if yeah? If? Well,

1117
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: if you remember in triple overtime against Oregon a couple

1118
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: of years back, they lined up in shotgun from like

1119
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: the one when they had four NFL players on their

1120
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: on their offensive line and through an interception to end

1121
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: that game over time, that was a rough night for

1122
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: the Norvelle family. So he uh um, but he he

1123
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator for here, for for the Taylor

1124
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: Kelly years, Jalen Strong and then moving on through uh

1125
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: Mike BERKOVICI when the expectation was you know, Kirk herb

1126
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: Street came out said Arizona State's gonna come out win

1127
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: a national championship. So I mean that it was a

1128
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: very very good team, and they didn't play any defense,

1129
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: and and and I think ended that year seven and five,

1130
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: losing in the Cactus Bowl to uh CAL and having

1131
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: one of the statistically worst defensive backfields in the history

1132
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: of college football. And so you know, you can't blame

1133
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: Norvelle for that, but plenty of fans. You know, we're

1134
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: hitting him up on Twitter again. He blocked probably half

1135
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 1: the fan base. He ends up taking the head coaching

1136
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: job after securing Dylan Sterring and Cole UM's commitment to

1137
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: Arizona State. He moves on to Memphis, gets Brady White

1138
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: to transfer over, wins a bunch of games with him. Uh,

1139
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: and then now he's now he's headed to Florida State.

1140
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: And if I'm him, you know, I think it'd be

1141
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: fun just to just to take the reins and come

1142
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: back and and and make Arizona State fans upset. But

1143
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do that. Um. The matchup is

1144
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: interesting to me because there Arizona State used to love

1145
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: to recruit the Southeast. And these two running backs, Cam

1146
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: Akers and calen Leybourne. Um, there are two guys that

1147
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: I got to see out at Rivals five Star challenges

1148
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: in Baltimore and Atlanta. They are fantastic football players. And

1149
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: there are actually two players that a SU made a

1150
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: huge effort to try to get to Um come out

1151
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: to the to the pack twelve. Uh, it didn't work out.

1152
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: You know, maybe have fourteen hundred combined yards. Those those

1153
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: are cam Akers eighteen touchdowns. They're gonna be tough to

1154
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: stop in the running game again. Three years ago they

1155
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: had liked the number four recruiting class in the country,

1156
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: so they've got really good players. Um, but they're in

1157
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: the midst of a really strange season. I don't know

1158
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: if James Blackman is I don't know what his deal

1159
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: is at quarterback. I don't know if he's banged up.

1160
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: But of anybody in the entire country, he's had by

1161
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: far the most inconsistent year, really good uh games against

1162
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: a couple of teams, and then he's had plenty of

1163
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: weeks where he hasn't even thrown a touchdown pass. So

1164
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: I mean they they They've also played Horny Brook, who

1165
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: transferred from Wisconsin to I don't even know, honestly, just

1166
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: on its surface for right now, until we get to

1167
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: it later, I don't even know what to make of

1168
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, if you're a betting person, I would

1169
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: take Florida State because I think on Tuesday you can

1170
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: very well hear, you know, Benjamin come out and say

1171
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: I'm out. Uh, I'm going to the NFL and probably

1172
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: not playing the Bowl. So um, I mean, if if

1173
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: you were just betting the line now would be a

1174
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: great time to get in on on Florida State plus

1175
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: five and a half because that could probably shrink um

1176
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: with the news coming down in the next couple of days.

1177
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: I expect. I expect because you know, Benjamin played in

1178
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: the under Armour All American Game before his freshman year

1179
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: where he announced that he was going to Arizona State

1180
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: and he jacked up his ankle in that bowl and

1181
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: it and it lingered really far into his freshman year.

1182
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:51,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, if I'm him having had that experience,

1183
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: even though a good game against Florida State could go

1184
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: a really long way for him, I I bet on

1185
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: myself and I take the Bowl off and train. I

1186
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: totally agree. Uh. And to Washington players I just see

1187
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: are taking the Bowl game off. Hunter Bryant and Trey

1188
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: Adams are gonna miss They're left tackle. Trey Adams are

1189
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: gonna miss the Las Vegas ball. Huh. For some players

1190
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: I like it and for some I don't. And Hunter

1191
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,839
Speaker 1: Bryant is probably just really relying on his testing numbers,

1192
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: is my guest, because that dude has been well, that's

1193
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: been the theme of the Pack twelve. These guys have

1194
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: been pretty wildly inconsistent, is here? Yeah, and and and truthfully,

1195
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's athletic, extremely athletic. He can run. I

1196
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I get it. I guess you know.

1197
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's such a weird thing because

1198
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 1: there's there's Um, there's definitely an advantage to it if

1199
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: you believe that you're already there, and I mean he

1200
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: must because he's not the biggest dude in the world.

1201
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: He's six two to forty. So if he thinks that

1202
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: he's there as a blocker, and this, how much different?

1203
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: How much different is his junior year than yours? Because

1204
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: you left early? As a pack twelve tight end? He

1205
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: has fifty two catches eight yards is pretty good, but

1206
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: only three touchdowns. Yeah, okay, so he's not gonna be

1207
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 1: a first round tight end. He's small, Like, he's smaller

1208
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: than than I was in college. Um, Like, he doesn't,

1209
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: he's not he's not even like to kill Harry's size. Yeah,

1210
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: he's not a great blocker because he's so small. I mean,

1211
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: Kate Kate Otten does all the dirty work, which he

1212
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: may actually end up being a better NFL prospect than

1213
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: than than him. I mean, Hunter Bryan is Shannon Sharp size.

1214
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: He's Shannon Sharp like, but doesn't run quite as well

1215
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: as Shannon Sharp. But he is a receiving threat. But

1216
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: he stands up. Would would you agree the fact that

1217
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: he stands up in a two point stands more than

1218
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: he has his hand in the ground, which that does

1219
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: not work in the NFL grant. I mean, we're just

1220
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna make him like an enormous slot. Yes, I mean

1221
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: because even guys who catch a ton of balls, like

1222
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: like Kelsey, he has his hand in the ground majority

1223
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah, he stands up some, probably like

1224
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: thirty five percent at the time. But if you want

1225
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: to be an NFL player, you gotta to play tight end.

1226
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: You gotta stick your hand in the ground because you

1227
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: do have to block. It is a necessary requirement. Um uh.

1228
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: One of the last two games up is Utah in Texas.

1229
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: I think that if you're Texas, you can't lose this game.

1230
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: And if you're tak you can't lose this game. It

1231
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: would look so bad. I know him Debbie down or

1232
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 1: looking at all the negatives. It's a lot of these

1233
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: ball games. But if you're Utah, you're eleven and two.

1234
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,879
Speaker 1: Your elevant ranked team you're going to the College football Playoffs.

1235
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: If you beat Oregon, it would be a terrible look

1236
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: for the conference. I mean, out of all the ball games,

1237
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: this is the one that if the Pack twelve loses,

1238
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: it is it would be a huge indictment on the conference.

1239
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: If you let seven and five Texas beat you beat

1240
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: your second best team in the conference. I don't even

1241
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 1: know what the national media would would say, no idea

1242
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: it would It would just be awful. I don't know

1243
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: if I agree. I think that all of the comments

1244
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: about how Utah is not even in the national consciousness,

1245
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: therefore we don't want them in the College Football Playoff,

1246
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: all of that talk, I think some of it was

1247
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: very real, and I think that no matter what happens

1248
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: in this bowl game, people are going to go back

1249
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: to just not caring about Utah. And so, I mean,

1250
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: people forget that they lost last year's bowl game like that,

1251
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: it's not even people don't even think about that anymore.

1252
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: And so I mean, I don't think it's the best

1253
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: matchup in the world for Utah. There's some there's some

1254
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: guys out at Texas who have um just absolutely insane speed.

1255
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: Jake Smith, the freshman wide receiver's got seven touchdown catches

1256
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: after even missing you know, like a couple of games

1257
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: due to injury this year. You know, if they find

1258
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: a way to exploit some matchups with with him, they

1259
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: could put some points on the board and if they

1260
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: get up early the way that Oregon did, you know.

1261
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: I also I think that Texas has always kind of

1262
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: been unable to figure out if they're physical or finesse,

1263
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: and to me, they're definitely a finesse team. Um. But

1264
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: you know that I think that they have a good

1265
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: chance to have some success in this game. And I

1266
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: think that if they beat Utah, I genuinely don't think

1267
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: anyone will care. You'll have some people come out and say, like, a,

1268
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: you guys thought you were good or whatever, but then

1269
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: we'll just forget about it going into next year, just

1270
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: like we did last year. For some reason, we didn't

1271
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: factor the them losing their bowl game into into whatever

1272
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: it was that they had going on this year when

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Speaker 1: everybody predicted them to to win the South. So I

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Speaker 1: just don't think people care about Utah all that much

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Speaker 1: outside of the University of Utah, and the only time

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Speaker 1: people really lift their fingers to to say anything is

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Speaker 1: to just kind of rub the salt in the wound

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Speaker 1: when they're there. Um, So, I think there's only upside.

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Speaker 1: If Utah wins this bowl game. They can be proud

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Speaker 1: of the year that they had. It was a really

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Speaker 1: special year. And if they lose, I just think that

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Speaker 1: people will be like, yeah, well that was them, That's

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Speaker 1: who they really were. But I just think that the

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Speaker 1: that the national media would just would just just looks so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would just be bad. I think that

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Speaker 1: if if you're sitting there saying, oh, oh, how about X,

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Speaker 1: Y and Z, you know, how about the conference? You know,

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Speaker 1: and then they would say, wait, hold up, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: were thinking about Utah would have made the College Football

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Speaker 1: Playoff in front of Oklahoma had had they beat Oregon.

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Speaker 1: And they can't even beat Texas and all their players

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Speaker 1: are playing ha ha. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that the best thing for Utah would be

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Speaker 1: to go into Texas, get a win against Texas and

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Speaker 1: then show those Texas recruits like, come here instead of Colorado,

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Speaker 1: because Colorado has been doing a pretty good job out there. Um,

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Speaker 1: you have the last game you got Oregon versus Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: in the Rolls Bowl. We've seen this story before. The

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Speaker 1: last time the Anthony Thomas and uh yeah, the the

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01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 1: Anthony Thomas showed out big time. And then the time

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Speaker 1: before that, I think they played Wisconsin too, and that

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Speaker 1: was the Russell Wilson game, and and they beat them

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Speaker 1: that time too, you know, so I've seen this story

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. Wisconsin is a good team, but

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Speaker 1: Oregon's defense is amazing at stopping the run and Wisconsin

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01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: is not gonna pass it like that. I think this

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Speaker 1: game totally favors the Ducks in every way possible. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be fun, man. I I don't I don't really

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Speaker 1: have a feel on this yet because I watched Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: a couple of times, but the times that I watched

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Speaker 1: them were against one of the best teams in the

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Speaker 1: entire country, and so um and I watched them improve.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll be more up for this game

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Speaker 1: than it really feels to me. The vibe of this

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Speaker 1: Oregon team is that they are very, very exciting to

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Speaker 1: playing the rose ball at eight their freshman year. Justin

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01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: Herbert was four and eight his freshman year. So when

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Speaker 1: you go from four and eight, three head coaches everybody

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01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: is buried. I mean everybody buried. The Oregon program. Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're done their toasts, and to get back back this

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Speaker 1: quickly is pretty amazing. I like that, Uh, I mean

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Speaker 1: I really really like that. Justin Herbert, even though he's

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Speaker 1: not UM hasn't exactly caught fire at the end of

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Speaker 1: this year, outside of his games against Arizona State the

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Speaker 1: last two years, he's still done an incredible elite job

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Speaker 1: protecting the ball. UM. You know, with all of the

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Speaker 1: I think there was like six returning one thousand yard

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Speaker 1: running backs coming into this season, and c J. Verdell

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Speaker 1: I don't think was one of them. And so for

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Speaker 1: him at the end of the season to be somebody

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Speaker 1: who um is averaging six and a half yards to carry,

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Speaker 1: has almost twelve hundred yards rushing, uh, and should really

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Speaker 1: be in the conversation as maybe the best of running

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Speaker 1: back in the conference, which is not something I think

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Speaker 1: even you would have mentioned at the beginning of this year. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think that that, you know, that's huge. So know

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Speaker 1: that they have the running game, they know that they

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Speaker 1: have the passing game, and then the defense has been

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Speaker 1: I mean it's been good. Uh, there's nothing about Wisconsin's offense.

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Speaker 1: To me, that um that if you don't completely key

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Speaker 1: on Taylor, Jonathan Taylor, they're running back, that you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to handle what they have in the passing game.

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Speaker 1: But that's gonna be Really the biggest thing is does

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Speaker 1: Oregon go down into the Rose Bowl and watch Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Taylor run all over them? Because he is you know,

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Speaker 1: he had over two hundred yards in three of the

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Speaker 1: last five games. He had over a hundred thirty rushing

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Speaker 1: yards one, two, three, four or five times in the

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Speaker 1: last nine games. He's he's crazy good and he's not

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Speaker 1: somebody who's a threat in the passing game. It's just

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Speaker 1: all downhill for him. Yeah, I just I just refused

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Speaker 1: to believe that after seeing what Oregon was able to

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Speaker 1: do too against Auburn and against Utah and against the

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Pack twelve rushing that that they

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Speaker 1: won't be able to at least contain Jonathan Taylor. He'll

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Speaker 1: he'll he'll probably have some big runs because he's a

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Speaker 1: good player. But I don't, I don't know, I just

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Speaker 1: don't see it at this point. At this point, thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for listening to the PAC twelve Apostles podcast.

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Speaker 1: Tell a Friend about the PAC twelve Apostles. You guys

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