Speaker 1: Yeah. So this podcast has been so fun and so
Speaker 1: crazy because now I'm really thinking about what was going
Speaker 1: on at the time, and in many cases it feels
Speaker 1: like yesterday. So it's about Tom. It's funny because I
Speaker 1: guess it's about time that I think back to these
Speaker 1: episodes and what was going on in real life, and
Speaker 1: I remember that the reason that that trip was in Miami.
Speaker 1: I could be mixing two stories. It might have been
Speaker 1: because I just had a medical issue, like a profuse
Speaker 1: bleeding issue, where there was another reason. But we never
Speaker 1: got the great great trips to begin with, and then
Speaker 1: there was always some problem that would happen that would
Speaker 1: make it that we we had to end up just
Speaker 1: like going somewhere close that looked like we were far,
Speaker 1: because if you think about the Berserk Shears, you're driving
Speaker 1: two hours to get the same number of episodes as
Speaker 1: if you're flying ten hours. So we were so entertaining
Speaker 1: that it didn't matter really where we were that we
Speaker 1: would deliver the episodes. And one time we went to
Speaker 1: Atlantic City and it was explosive. I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: really have to go far. We could probably just go
Speaker 1: to New Jersey and stay in a hotel and deliver
Speaker 1: the same thing as we as if we went to
Speaker 1: Turks and Caicos, which was a crazy episode in and
Speaker 1: of itself. But on this occasion we went to Miami,
Speaker 1: which would disappoint people like Ramona who always wanted this
Speaker 1: to be the big trip. She'd get her hot bathing
Speaker 1: suits out, spray tan, do her wardrobe, and she was
Speaker 1: ready to go, and she would stay somewhere later with
Speaker 1: Sonya or go earlier. I mean, she made a meal
Speaker 1: out of these trips. Okay, no one ever made a
Speaker 1: meal out of a Housewives trip like a Ramona singer,
Speaker 1: mark my words. Ask anyone who's ever worked with her.
Speaker 1: For her, it was it was a real trip. She's
Speaker 1: going to Morocco, and she's going somewhere before or somewhere
Speaker 1: else after. She's staying with Sony, other going on a
Speaker 1: different part of Mexico. I mean, God bless, she's an
Speaker 1: iconic housewife. I was the opposite. No one ever made
Speaker 1: less of a meal. I would come a day late,
Speaker 1: leave a day early, and pack it into three days
Speaker 1: and peace out as the producers. So in Miami, it
Speaker 1: was about Tom and Luan was engaged to Tom, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what my relationship with her was then.
Speaker 1: I think I said it in the episode. We weren't
Speaker 1: best friends, we weren't enemies, were just on the show together.
Speaker 1: I'd come back. We were totally fine. We've had some
Speaker 1: issues in the past, they were never really that big,
Speaker 1: and none of our issues ever really were anything, and
Speaker 1: when you think about it, like they never really there
Speaker 1: were all much to do about nothing. But this time
Speaker 1: it was much ado about Tom and I think at
Speaker 1: this time I was friends with Carol, good friends with Carol,
Speaker 1: and Carol and Luam were very much on the outs
Speaker 1: because I think their fight stemmed from Luanne taking issue
Speaker 1: with Carol stealing her chef from her kitchen because Carol
Speaker 1: was at Luanne's and Adam was in the kitchen and
Speaker 1: Carol ended up looking up with him, and that was
Speaker 1: a big, big point of contention for years. And Adam
Speaker 1: was Noel's friend, Luan's son's friend. So that was messy
Speaker 1: and just very housewives e and very television and something
Speaker 1: that in real life probably would't matter that much, but
Speaker 1: you know, you need to make these shows, so that
Speaker 1: seemed like a good conflict. So I think that was
Speaker 1: like what was going on then, So Carol definitely wasn't
Speaker 1: good friends of Land at that time. They had been previously,
Speaker 1: and when the name Lou came that that started without
Speaker 1: that Carol Heather Kristin Era and the relationship seemed ridiculous,
Speaker 1: I'll say that. I mean, it just seemed like a
Speaker 1: she a pet relationship that just you added water, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they were just engaged and getting
Speaker 1: married and it was all a whirlwind romance. But it
Speaker 1: happens to the best of us, it's happened, and Nicky Hilton,
Speaker 1: it's happened to Britney Spears, it's it happens. So they
Speaker 1: were off to the races. But it did seem very
Speaker 1: forced and very unnatural, and TV will do that to you.
Speaker 1: It could have been because of the show. Who knows.
Speaker 1: It could have been the pomp and circumstance the show
Speaker 1: makes things more exciting. Could have been the shows paying
Speaker 1: for the wedding. I don't God only knows what it was.
Speaker 1: And I don't actually think the show did pay for
Speaker 1: the wedding. But I don't remember if the wedding was televised.
Speaker 1: I really don't remember anything. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: wedding was televised. But anyway, so I think she had
Speaker 1: an engagement party. Yes, she had an engagement pody party
Speaker 1: on the boat and Palm Beach, and I found out
Speaker 1: that Luanne and Tom are going down to Florida and
Speaker 1: that they were having an engagement party on a boat.
Speaker 1: And then we had our Miami trips, so she was
Speaker 1: coming from Palm Beach down to Miami to be with us.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm pretty sure. That's why Tom being out
Speaker 1: at the Regency making out with someone that same time
Speaker 1: was insane, Like it was the very week of his
Speaker 1: their engagement party. So I'm laying in my bed on
Speaker 1: Mercer Street in my apartment. So this person that I
Speaker 1: knew from years ago that I reconnected with, not right
Speaker 1: at this time, probably a couple a year before or
Speaker 1: six to eight months before. We'd spend a little bit
Speaker 1: of time together. This person, this person, I listen, it's
Speaker 1: the Upper east Side, and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain that to you, but this person lived on the
Speaker 1: Upper east Side, and for some reason, that's the smallest
Speaker 1: town in the world, and everybody on the Upper east
Speaker 1: Side knows what everybody else is doing, and it's just
Speaker 1: the same twenty restaurants that everyone goes to, and you
Speaker 1: could probably see the same twenty hair salons or nail
Speaker 1: places and or used to be barneys, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a little world. So this person had mentioned
Speaker 1: before Tom being a little shady in this regard. You
Speaker 1: know that he was tripping the life fantastic and he
Speaker 1: had a reputation, particularly on the Upper East Side, having
Speaker 1: dated many people to people on our show, but also
Speaker 1: going around a little bit. It's hard to say a
Speaker 1: player because he doesn't exactly look like the player profile,
Speaker 1: but you know that a breast side guy who wants
Speaker 1: to be a player because he's got a couple of
Speaker 1: dollars in his pocket. So this person had mentioned him
Speaker 1: to me before. And obviously there's always a circle of
Speaker 1: people that want to tell you things because you're on
Speaker 1: the Housewives, and that just they somehow wanted to land
Speaker 1: inside the show. They don't want to be on the show,
Speaker 1: and they don't want their names to be on the show,
Speaker 1: but they just want it to land inside the show.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of what's happening on reality television is fraudulent.
Speaker 1: It's either someone's rented their car and pretending that it's
Speaker 1: really there's or their house, or they really bankrupt, or
Speaker 1: they owe someone money, or they're cheating, and the people
Speaker 1: that are close to them, that live close to them,
Speaker 1: I know that what's airing to the rest of America
Speaker 1: and internationally is bullshit, So it always bothers them. Think
Speaker 1: about it. You're in a Call to sac and Jane
Speaker 1: down the street is fronting and stunting on television, and
Speaker 1: you know what everyone's seeing, and you're like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: what are you talking. She cheating at her husband, They
Speaker 1: have no money, that's not a real car. It's going
Speaker 1: to annoy you because you probably don't like Jane, who
Speaker 1: lives in your Call to Act to begin with. And
Speaker 1: then you're seeing all this phoniness and that's very common
Speaker 1: on the housewise, I can tell you that. So this
Speaker 1: person knew both parties, and I couldn't believe it was
Speaker 1: being portrayed in the media and on the show. I
Speaker 1: guess this season prior, you know, it was so long ago.
Speaker 1: So this person sent me a picture thinking it was
Speaker 1: just like fodder, like fun. Thought didn't know. I'm going
Speaker 1: down to Florida to this person's engagement celebration weekend and
Speaker 1: sends me a text with a picture of Tom and
Speaker 1: this woman making out, because in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm going down to Florida. I'm going
Speaker 1: down to Florida to be like at our engagement party
Speaker 1: and be on a weekend with her and going down there.
Speaker 1: I told the producers that's whatever nobody does. You can
Speaker 1: hate me or not. I wasn't, you know, I told
Speaker 1: the producers. I did not. I don't know that I
Speaker 1: told Carol. I don't remember. Maybe I told Carol and Ramona.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think it came out in the
Speaker 1: story that I told Carol or Ramona, and the producers
Speaker 1: wanted me to say it right away, like say it
Speaker 1: right away, and I didn't want to ruin the weekend,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want it to be like I'm dumping
Speaker 1: this now because I want this to be with the
Speaker 1: weekend is about and I could. I didn't know when
Speaker 1: to say this and how to say it, and I
Speaker 1: we were in all these scenes with everybody, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to pick up clues. Oh, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why I asked her if she was in an
Speaker 1: open relationship, because you know how it is the messenger
Speaker 1: is gonna get shot, and I thought, maybe this is
Speaker 1: okay with them to each his own. I'm not judgmental
Speaker 1: about nontraditional relationships. Maybe this is like the way they roll,
Speaker 1: and I don't want and all that met all that
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. I'm gonna get it in the middle
Speaker 1: of this and be the messenger that gets shot, which
Speaker 1: is what happened anyway. So I really didn't know how
Speaker 1: to enter and play double dutch. I was like So,
Speaker 1: I was trying to ask her different questions, and I
Speaker 1: just my mind kept playing tricks on me, like if
Speaker 1: I television, i'd be like, oh, it doesn't matter, we
Speaker 1: have an open relationship, or I don't know. So I
Speaker 1: ended up telling her, and then I didn't want to
Speaker 1: live in it. You know. It was sort of like
Speaker 1: her intervention. Someone called me to go over to her
Speaker 1: house years later. I'll tell that story another time. And
Speaker 1: I ended up immersed, just like everything else. If I
Speaker 1: do really, I'm immersed. If I do any project, I'm immersed.
Speaker 1: So I was immersed in this now and I kind
Speaker 1: of didn't want to be. I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to dump it and walk away. I
Speaker 1: wanted to play hot Potato, and you knew you were
Speaker 1: gonna be shot. I was a messenger that got shot
Speaker 1: in Luan was the woman who doesn't want to know.
Speaker 1: And I guess there's about half the people don't really
Speaker 1: want to know. So the question is would you want
Speaker 1: to know? And she forgave him, and cheaters are going
Speaker 1: to cheat, and I respect the fact that she believed
Speaker 1: in love and she wanted to love him, and who knows.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a weird age. You feel like you're
Speaker 1: not gonna sign somebody again. She found somebody and they
Speaker 1: were like minded in certain ways of both like to
Speaker 1: travel and I don't know, and that's to be to
Speaker 1: be honest, that's when the show in real life are
Speaker 1: blurred because let's discuss this. So here's the real thing.
Speaker 1: In my quote unquote real life. I'm not friendly with Louanne,
Speaker 1: so I don't talk to Luanne. So would I tell
Speaker 1: her this now? Like I probably wouldn't, But I also
Speaker 1: wouldn't be going on a trip with her to Miami.
Speaker 1: So now I'm like in this weird And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because there was a quote I think page six
Speaker 1: where Andy was like, I'm just shocked she's doing this
Speaker 1: podcast because you know, she thought The Housewives was toxic.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're not mutually exclusive. I do think
Speaker 1: The Housewives is toxic. And I'm doing this podcast because
Speaker 1: I get to have these conversations and give you clarification
Speaker 1: on Colra on something that was happening. So it's like
Speaker 1: Bethany should have told, she shouldn't have told. But I'm
Speaker 1: not friends. I wasn't really friends. I was really friends
Speaker 1: with Carol, I was really friends with Jill, and I
Speaker 1: was really friends with Dorinda. You know, um and I
Speaker 1: am and I love Sonya like I am friends with
Speaker 1: Sonia and I you know, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for uh, Dorinda and Housewives and other cities, and
Speaker 1: I Kyle for years and all this stuff. But even
Speaker 1: if you were friends with someone, getting on the show
Speaker 1: as someone is very tricky. And you see that with
Speaker 1: Kyle and her own sister. You said, up with Melissa
Speaker 1: and her sister in law and Melissa and her own brother.
Speaker 1: So trust me, these things don't happen because it's not complicated.
Speaker 1: So Luanne and I we're not friends. Off camera, people
Speaker 1: forge friendships for the camera because they need alliances, and
Speaker 1: you know it's it's a dangerous, scary game. So it's
Speaker 1: this fictitious hypothetical situation. Should you tell Luanne in what world?
Speaker 1: In the world where I'm on television being produced and
Speaker 1: have forged friendships and text people, And I think it's
Speaker 1: real because it is real in the moment, So like
Speaker 1: it's real in the moment when um, I'm in Puerto
Speaker 1: Rico and I'm seeing people up to their ankles in
Speaker 1: in in filthy water, but like that's not my all
Speaker 1: the time life. You become very present in that. If
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in at dinner with Luanne and I'm present
Speaker 1: in it, I know her, I've gotten to know her
Speaker 1: better because I'm on a show with her. But this
Speaker 1: is a hypothetical situation that's now happened. It's it brings
Speaker 1: theory into the reality because now I have to tell
Speaker 1: Luan on a show. Because also you can't hold information
Speaker 1: on a show, like it just doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1: If if if someone's husband is cheating, it's coming onto
Speaker 1: the show. It's just like it's just an unwritten rule
Speaker 1: with everyone. You've seen a thousand times someone's bankrupt, but
Speaker 1: they say they have money. You have to say it
Speaker 1: someone you know about the lawsuit. There's a lawsuit that's happening.
Speaker 1: You have to say it. You have to say it
Speaker 1: all mentioned all, mentioned it all. You have to mention
Speaker 1: it all on reality TV. So that's this weird world
Speaker 1: where people judge the actions of housewives that are acting
Speaker 1: under this false pretense, not because it's lying and not
Speaker 1: because it's not real, just because it's hypothetical. It's happening
Speaker 1: because someone's put you in this experiment where Ramona, myself,
Speaker 1: and luand are in the same friend group, and that's
Speaker 1: just not the case in real life. So that's why
Speaker 1: reality television is different, and that's why it can't be
Speaker 1: held to the same standards. And that's why I left,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm here talking about it. So I
Speaker 1: like clarifying all this because I forget about it and
Speaker 1: I forget what it was like. And I'm an analytical person,
Speaker 1: so I definitely don't want to talk about trash. I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about reality. Andy Cohen and I
Speaker 1: do you have any idea how any beach walks and
Speaker 1: conversations and text Andy Cohen and I have about the
Speaker 1: housewife since I left it's of the ship we talk about.
Speaker 1: I'll just throw them random text and be like, why
Speaker 1: is you know what happened with this person? Why did
Speaker 1: that person say that? Is this real? Did that person
Speaker 1: really mean that? Does this seem to be the case?
Speaker 1: Did that person really do it? That's what our textual
Speaker 1: relationship is about. So Andy is the first person to
Speaker 1: know that just because I left the house boys doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I stopped talking about it, because we talked about
Speaker 1: it a lot. Hi, everybody, I'm Tyler Florence and I'm
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Speaker 1: Dudes in the Kitchen. You might be asking yourself, why
Speaker 1: do these guys have a podcast? Because we love food.
Speaker 1: You and I have known each other for a while.
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Speaker 1: It's all about great recipes, It's all about connecting with
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Speaker 1: kitchen on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts or
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. Yeah, this was such a
Speaker 1: crazy situation because you I knew I was walking into
Speaker 1: a ship storm. I'm on a show. The nature of
Speaker 1: the beast of being on a show is we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be revealing ourselves. The nature of this process, sorry,
Speaker 1: if this is going to be disappointing, is that you're
Speaker 1: not really friends with these people. It's very hard for
Speaker 1: them to cast shows where people are really friends in
Speaker 1: groups that everybody would want to do it, that you
Speaker 1: would even do it with your friends. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, and then if all your friends are similar
Speaker 1: to you, they're not going to cast a bunch of views.
Speaker 1: So all of us are so different, they need to
Speaker 1: cast different people. But they really would like brought they
Speaker 1: being Bravo and casting that people do have a natural connection.
Speaker 1: But look, Housewives started and at one point, you know,
Speaker 1: I was the only legally married person there on the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York City. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: it's real because you're put into situations and reacting in
Speaker 1: a real way, but the situations that you're put into
Speaker 1: are not real, So that's what makes it challenging. Garcel
Speaker 1: Bouvet and Erica aren't hanging out in a regular on
Speaker 1: a regular basis. Luanne and I aren't the same type
Speaker 1: of person, nor a Ramona and I. And in a
Speaker 1: sense though what is authentic. Jill, Ramona and Luan did
Speaker 1: run in overlapping circles. They have friends in common. That
Speaker 1: makes it a little more interesting also for birthday parties
Speaker 1: and just a natural progression. I was an outlier. I
Speaker 1: was not friends with any of these people. I knew
Speaker 1: I had met Jill and that was it. I had
Speaker 1: met Jill. So now you're on a show with people
Speaker 1: that you aren't and you become friends with them through
Speaker 1: this process because you have dinner on television in front
Speaker 1: of a camera with other people, and you enjoy yourself
Speaker 1: because you're having a nice meal and you're having a
Speaker 1: nice conversation, and you do get to know people, and
Speaker 1: you do go to events of theirs. That's what's crazy too.
Speaker 1: People are invited to people's weddings that would never be
Speaker 1: invited to their weddings, but the producers insist that you
Speaker 1: invite them to your bachelortte party. And you get frustrated
Speaker 1: because like that wouldn't happen, but you would sign up
Speaker 1: for the show. It's a circular reference. You sign up
Speaker 1: for the show. You have to be real and you
Speaker 1: have to engage with these people and you have to
Speaker 1: shoot these scenes. It also becomes a double dip one
Speaker 1: stop shop. Okay, you know, I don't entertain really that
Speaker 1: much a lot. I have nice China. I want to
Speaker 1: show off my house. The show is going to deal
Speaker 1: with most of it. Sure, we'll have a party at
Speaker 1: my house with these people. As if this is who
Speaker 1: I would invite over for the holidays. It's not. But
Speaker 1: you do within the show and you end up enjoying
Speaker 1: yourself because you get dressed up, you put makeup on,
Speaker 1: you have a drink, you're talking to people, you're shooting
Speaker 1: a show. You're doing ten things at once, but none
Speaker 1: of them are based what your normal life would be
Speaker 1: before or after. And anybody who says it is is
Speaker 1: not telling the truth. And that's just the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter. So, yes, people forge friendships through the process.
Speaker 1: That does happen. It's rare, um, it's rare, and I
Speaker 1: give them credit for ending up being able to work together.
Speaker 1: And then it gets challenging because they're working together and
Speaker 1: something comes out, and it's hard to watch someone else
Speaker 1: be an authentic and it's hard to sign up for
Speaker 1: this process and watch someone else be dishonest about something,
Speaker 1: even if they're your closest relative. It's annoying to look
Speaker 1: at someone like, that's not what are you talking about,
Speaker 1: because then you're getting dirty in there. Not So let's
Speaker 1: just say, what's happening with Kyle and Cathy. This is
Speaker 1: a speculation, it's just an example. Or Teresa and Melissa,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, they've known each other for years. It
Speaker 1: becomes awkward and it's coming out because other people will
Speaker 1: hold you accountable other people on the show. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about that. And then also
Speaker 1: you're getting dirty you've been doing the show for years,
Speaker 1: or you're bringing it all out there and you're you know,
Speaker 1: getting taking hits and you're watching someone else not take
Speaker 1: any hits. And then and you're you're you're supposed to
Speaker 1: protect people and they signed up for the show too,
Speaker 1: that's what the show is. So I say all this
Speaker 1: to say that with lu Anne, could I have called
Speaker 1: her separately off the show. I'm sure I could have.
Speaker 1: It's not even part of what was going on. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a fraudulent relationship to begin with her and Tom.
Speaker 1: It started and it started on the show pretty much.
Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't meet him on the show. It
Speaker 1: started because Dorinda introduced her to him, and then it
Speaker 1: perpetuated on the show and he came on the show.
Speaker 1: He signed up for this too. Like if people are
Speaker 1: not even part of this and have never showed up
Speaker 1: on the show, like someone's child, We're not gonna start
Speaker 1: talking with Sonya's daughter who's never been on the show,
Speaker 1: and you know it's just a child. But if someone's
Speaker 1: person has never been on the show. You know that's
Speaker 1: not really fair game. You can't come on the show
Speaker 1: and it's all fun and games. Like Tom can't just
Speaker 1: come on the show and be like, yes, I'm rich
Speaker 1: and I'm a bachelor and I'm engaged and then you know,
Speaker 1: something happens and then it's not on the show. You
Speaker 1: can't have it both ways, and you can't play stupid
Speaker 1: and smart at the same time. So Tom was brought
Speaker 1: into the show by Luanne Dorinda adjacent. No fault to Dorenda. Now,
Speaker 1: their engagement is a character. They're on the show. Their
Speaker 1: marriage and the mistake that she's about to make is
Speaker 1: a character on the show. So you know what, you're
Speaker 1: damn right, I'm going to mention it all. So that's
Speaker 1: why I didn't say it is slightly. We can't pick
Speaker 1: and choose. Believe me, if it was me, it would
Speaker 1: be the same thing. You're up for grabs. So that's why,
Speaker 1: and that's why everyone's bankruptcies and cheating and lawsuits and all.
Speaker 1: The ship comes up. And that's why in normal life,
Speaker 1: it doesn't come up and pick up and drop off,
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, hey, I heard your fucking your
Speaker 1: sister's husband it doesn't come up because they didn't sign
Speaker 1: up for this process. This is a group that signed
Speaker 1: up for this process. You know. I tried to explain
Speaker 1: to somebody that if I see somebody annoying and my
Speaker 1: daughter's school like a drop off, I'm not gonna be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting choice of blush color. But guess what,
Speaker 1: you're on The Housewives. You damn fucking right, it's gonna
Speaker 1: come up because that's what the show is. That's the
Speaker 1: nature of the past. It's use your outside voice. It's
Speaker 1: hide nothing, be vulnerole, be honest, be open, and hide
Speaker 1: nothing and let no one else hide anything. So if
Speaker 1: I know that Tim Lee tried on wedding dresses ahead
Speaker 1: of her wedding, I like, Tinsley, I don't care. Do
Speaker 1: whatever you want, cross dress, where your wedding dressed, to
Speaker 1: the gym. It's not my goddamn business. I'm on a
Speaker 1: show where this is the point. Tinsley and I are
Speaker 1: not do not know each other outside of the show.
Speaker 1: We met on the show. So you gotta bring it up,
Speaker 1: you gotta mention it all. That's what everybody's doing, that's
Speaker 1: what goes on. So yes, I mentioned it all. But
Speaker 1: I knew coming in that if I'm gonna mention this picture,
Speaker 1: I better fucking come correct and have my receipts, which
Speaker 1: is why I had the time stamp. You can look up.
Speaker 1: I never knew this the time stamp. You know the question,
Speaker 1: what time was this? Oh, that couldn't have been. He
Speaker 1: was in a Halloween costume with another woman at a
Speaker 1: bar at that time, Like you had to have your
Speaker 1: ship tight. So I knew the time stamp. And then
Speaker 1: I called the restaurant and bluffed them into telling me, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were here for a long time, and she paid
Speaker 1: the bill because I acted like I knew you got
Speaker 1: If you're catching so much cheating or doing something, you
Speaker 1: have all the details. Doesn't have to be on reality television.
Speaker 1: If you decide you're gonna tell somebody, you better know
Speaker 1: everything because you're gonna get shot. And I knew i'd
Speaker 1: be the messenger that get shot. How could I not?
Speaker 1: And it played exactly how I thought. She'd be nice
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and then she'd go off and be
Speaker 1: back to hypnotize and want to be with him, and
Speaker 1: that's okay, it happens, and you know, there you go,
Speaker 1: and you saw it all come to fruition at the party, uh,
Speaker 1: the Sinco de Mayo party. So that's what happened. I
Speaker 1: happened to be and it's great, yes, And of course
Speaker 1: you know I took such an interest in her life.
Speaker 1: They thought at one point she thought that I got
Speaker 1: a private private investigator, there would be like five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You're gonna spend five thousand dollars to see what the
Speaker 1: fun Tom's doing. It was just crazy. That's what happens
Speaker 1: on reality TV because most people are lying about something.
Speaker 1: I've seen on this show, lying about having a car,
Speaker 1: lying about plastic surgery, lying about how much money you have,
Speaker 1: lying about your house and the situation with the mortgage,
Speaker 1: or whether you really I've seen lying every which way
Speaker 1: but Sunday upside down. Okay, that's I've just seen it
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. So everybody that's a viewer,
Speaker 1: all the people on the show have quote unquote friends
Speaker 1: and freenemies and enemies watching and they are like, what.
Speaker 1: It drove people crazy. When we first launched that people
Speaker 1: were calling themselves socialites. New York Magazine wrote an article
Speaker 1: about them being social It made the real social lites crazy.
Speaker 1: They were so frustrated. And I've seen some of them.
Speaker 1: I saw them at the after party for the met
Speaker 1: Galla one year, and they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: dolling like because they're the real social lits, which is
Speaker 1: also a different shade of bullshit. Tinsley is now played
Speaker 1: in both ponds. She's played in quote unquote real social
Speaker 1: lites just as big a bunch of Fronten and Stunton
Speaker 1: Phoe bullshit superficial losers as we are. They're just real
Speaker 1: social lights. And Tensely was a real social lite in
Speaker 1: w magazine and all that ship. She's played both sides.
Speaker 1: She's done that. She knows that's just as big a
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit as this is. The real social lits
Speaker 1: just aren't allowed to buy their husbands do it, or
Speaker 1: by their family names do it, or they think they're
Speaker 1: above it, and they couldn't possibly. But the real social
Speaker 1: lights were so frustrated by the pot the phocial lights,
Speaker 1: the focial lights drove them nuts because they think they're real. Oh,
Speaker 1: there may be bigger losers over there, and I know
Speaker 1: them all, and I know them both. I can't it's
Speaker 1: just different losers. And that's why when certain people come
Speaker 1: from oh, a real fashion person or a real this,
Speaker 1: and they come on the Housewives and they think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be a cut above because they're real. That's different.
Speaker 1: They come on and there's still lunatics and crazy and
Speaker 1: bat shit, and we will crack open someone's crazy like
Speaker 1: a goddamn panada you saw, like Kelly was, Kelly was
Speaker 1: a real model marriage gil Ben Simon. All that stuff
Speaker 1: sounds good when they're coming in. Then they come in
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh fuck, I've been found out. Nothing
Speaker 1: will crack open someone's true character, Like the house was
Speaker 1: like a real fucking pinata, whether we're friends with the
Speaker 1: other people or not. So I said what I said,
Speaker 1: I mentioned at all, and I would do it again
Speaker 1: if I were on that show. But I am not.
Speaker 1: I left the Housewives. It wasn't good for me, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't what I walked into all those years ago. Also, sorry,
Speaker 1: not sorry. The biggest thing that ever happened wasn't I'm
Speaker 1: up here, you're down here, or a table flip like
Speaker 1: crazy ship has gone on. So yes, I left that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be there. That's my own choice.
Speaker 1: You know what else is my own choice to talk
Speaker 1: about it and reflect on my experience years later, iconic
Speaker 1: episodes and also like in my on my Own terms,
Speaker 1: on my own show, I when I was there, I
Speaker 1: had no control. I didn't produce the show. I didn't
Speaker 1: decide the trips. I didn't decide the restaurants. I didn't
Speaker 1: decide what we were doing. I didn't decide who I
Speaker 1: get to hang out with. I had an experience where
Speaker 1: I cast somebody. I gave this person. It happened a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and right before filming I found out
Speaker 1: that that person was going to be on the show. Like,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna tell me that the person that I
Speaker 1: brought in? Why did I even go out of my
Speaker 1: way to cast all those people? It makes you feel
Speaker 1: insulted in like a loser, right. It makes you feel
Speaker 1: like you're the last one to know. Kelly Rippe has
Speaker 1: described finding out on air that she um that her
Speaker 1: hosts worry they're leaving or you know, being replaced or something.
Speaker 1: On air she found out like a schmuck. I felt
Speaker 1: like the schmuck, Like, wait, what, I have not no
Speaker 1: control where ponds, where puppets, no sheep, no control no
Speaker 1: control over editing. Something terrible happens, something's discussed about somebody
Speaker 1: you love that's really damaging. No, it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: can't beg They don't care. You say something by accident
Speaker 1: that's terrible, could have ruined your life, gets you canceled,
Speaker 1: affect everything you built in your life. Don't know you
Speaker 1: have no control over that. Okay. I have seen Ramona
Speaker 1: beg plead and cry. I have seen Kyle beg plead
Speaker 1: and cry. They don't want that stuff take put in there.
Speaker 1: It affects their lives and their family. Doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 1: They don't have the power to take it out. They
Speaker 1: made a mistake. Mistakes are great for reality television. Mistakes
Speaker 1: are what make reality television thrive. Someone is off the
Speaker 1: wagon and they go back on. Get the cameras up.
Speaker 1: Someone's an addict and they're doing what you know, they're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be doing as an addict. Get the cameras.
Speaker 1: You know. That's just that's been that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That is not what we're doing here. So let's just
Speaker 1: so that was not on my own terms. This is
Speaker 1: on my own terms. Another thing, listen to the show.
Speaker 1: It's that a trash and grabbed ever a trashing people
Speaker 1: were giving color and breaking things down. We're talking and
Speaker 1: I'm reflecting on an experience and my alma mater. I've
Speaker 1: a right to talk about something I experience. I didn't
Speaker 1: know I was in the Handmaid's Tale and housewives and
Speaker 1: Housewives hosts are gonna, you know, scold me because I
Speaker 1: did think it was toxic and I did leave, and
Speaker 1: I explained very very nicely why I left. I didn't
Speaker 1: say it's a ship box. I didn't say I said
Speaker 1: it's toxic and it wasn't where I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: That's what I've said in the US. That's the truth
Speaker 1: over here. You leave your college, maybe it wasn't a
Speaker 1: good experience. You can you're still allowed. And I thought,
Speaker 1: ine with freedom of speech to talk about the college
Speaker 1: you left. You were on you know, a TV show
Speaker 1: years ago. You were unsaved. But by the belt, I
Speaker 1: said to Mario, maybe that wasn't his best time of
Speaker 1: his life. He's still allowed as a grown ass man
Speaker 1: to talk about say by the belt, like go on
Speaker 1: and on. You had a job you hated, You're allowed
Speaker 1: to talk about it. You had a marriage, or next
Speaker 1: you hated, you had a teacher, You're you hated or
Speaker 1: you didn't like, or that you didn't want to beat
Speaker 1: you not even hated. You had a job that you
Speaker 1: chose to leave last I checked out of Gill Lead.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to talk about that job, So I am
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about my former life. That was a
Speaker 1: quarter of my life. Did I get a lot bot
Speaker 1: of me? Was? Did I go to the invasion of
Speaker 1: the body Snatchers and they removed part of my brain?
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to talk about something that was
Speaker 1: a quarter of my life. Ladies and gentlemen like, what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my alma mater, and I also made that as
Speaker 1: much as that made me a different caliber person has
Speaker 1: gone on since me to try to do what I've
Speaker 1: done and ask the producers. They've said that so good,
Speaker 1: I've paved the way. But I'm allowed to talk about
Speaker 1: the way that I paved. Next thing. I am not
Speaker 1: a disgruntled employee that was fired. Many podcasts and many
Speaker 1: you know, many podcasts or many people go on to
Speaker 1: talk about that experience. They've been fired. They have a
Speaker 1: skewed perspective. They're not happy, they want to be there,
Speaker 1: they're angry, they're frustrated, they want to give snark. I
Speaker 1: want to celebrate the craziness and how funny and ridiculous
Speaker 1: it was at its best, by the way, many of
Speaker 1: these episodes I'm doing, or when it was at its best,
Speaker 1: you don't see me talking right now that Jen Shaw
Speaker 1: scamming people, allegedly scamming people through a telemarketing scheme. I
Speaker 1: don't find that to be can't be and amusing. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that show, but from what it sounds like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound fun. So if you're gonna come for me,
Speaker 1: you better come with everything you got. And if you're
Speaker 1: gonna take a shot at this bee, you're better not
Speaker 1: motherfucking miss because this time you all missed. So about
Speaker 1: Tom is about a man who who was stupid enough
Speaker 1: to cheat, who was drinking, which is something he seemed
Speaker 1: to do very often and in volume, and a woman
Speaker 1: that truth be told. I wasn't happy to deliver that news.
Speaker 1: Many times I will not lie on house as you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, wow, you want to stick it to somebody.
Speaker 1: This was not one of those times I was. I
Speaker 1: felt badly for her. A woman of a certain age
Speaker 1: wants to be in a relationship met a guy he
Speaker 1: seemed to check some boxes had a couple of dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, lives in New York. Who likes to run
Speaker 1: around like the Jets, that likes to drink like the party,
Speaker 1: like to travel, is very social at night like it
Speaker 1: seemed like a good fit. Wants to get married again,
Speaker 1: loves to be loved. Luanna's a hopeless romantic. Now she's
Speaker 1: going down the wrong road. I was still on the
Speaker 1: worst road in my life, and I couldn't even really
Speaker 1: talk about it. So you're watching someone walk into a
Speaker 1: fire and you want to tell them not to walk in.
Speaker 1: It happened years later, which we'll get into about an
Speaker 1: intervention with lan I. I staged an intervention. Everybody involved
Speaker 1: will verify that I was leading the charge. I took
Speaker 1: days of my life. I got her paid for a
Speaker 1: reunion that she would never have gotten paid for. I
Speaker 1: got her sent to rehab and it paid for and
Speaker 1: she left early. And I don't do anything half ass.
Speaker 1: So I walked into this and I didn't want her
Speaker 1: to marry him. I thought I was helping her, and
Speaker 1: you see what happened years later. But we all make mistakes.
Speaker 1: She was the woman who didn't want to know, and
Speaker 1: you know she might have been a woman that doesn't
Speaker 1: really care about fidelity that much, and that's her body
Speaker 1: and her choice also, So I said what I said,
Speaker 1: I did what I did. It was an explosive, crazy, iconic,
Speaker 1: high rating episode because usually these episodes that are multiple,
Speaker 1: multiple to be continued episodes, or usually these trips that
Speaker 1: are multiple to be continued episodes, you have to go
Speaker 1: all the way to France to get that kind of drama.
Speaker 1: That was pretty insane, and it didn't unfold the way
Speaker 1: that I thought it would. I can't believe it. It It
Speaker 1: was crazy that that happened, but it happened. And truth
Speaker 1: is stranger than fiction. So Luann didn't want to know,
Speaker 1: and it was all about time. I will be watching
Speaker 1: It's About Tom with Kevin Nealon, so we are going
Speaker 1: to break down this episode and it's going to be
Speaker 1: one for the ages, one for the books, an amazing